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[2016-12-15 19:11:36] tech.coin : with XBTUSD
[2016-12-15 19:12:07] tech.coin : via kaiko
[2016-12-15 19:12:08] BitMEX_Greg : tech.coin: Unsure of your question. XBTUSD here is a different product to XBTUSD on Kraken
[2016-12-15 19:12:57] tech.coin : My question actually is now, what do you mean by "rebate" (fees)?
[2016-12-15 19:13:14] BitMEX_Greg : rebate means that you earn the fee back
[2016-12-15 19:13:20] RocketScience : as a market maker
[2016-12-15 19:13:28] BitMEX_Greg : So if you submit passive orders as a maker, then you earn 2.5bps on every executed trade
[2016-12-15 19:14:45] RocketScience : Any good technical analysis for bitcoin?
[2016-12-15 19:14:54] tech.coin : So I just earn that percentage, because a rebate would be deducted from some other fee?
[2016-12-15 19:15:25] BitMEX_Greg : tech.coin: Yes you earn it. We reward people for providing liquidity
[2016-12-15 19:15:52] tech.coin : 0,025% of the position for a filled limit order whatever the outcome + profit or loss?
[2016-12-15 19:16:36] BitMEX_Greg : yes, no matter the unrealised PNL on your position if you have on open. You will earn 0.025% on any executed passive maker order
[2016-12-15 19:17:08] rapidtrades : passive limit order
[2016-12-15 19:17:09] tech.coin : on the value of my entry position?
[2016-12-15 19:17:17] tech.coin : size
[2016-12-15 19:17:47] BitMEX_Greg : tech.coin: You earn 0.025% on the order size that is executed
[2016-12-15 19:18:23] tech.coin : @rapidtrades: passive?
[2016-12-15 19:18:42] BitMEX_Greg : tech.coin: passive means you are not taking liquidity
[2016-12-15 19:18:56] rapidtrades : order that rests on the orderbook @tech.coin
[2016-12-15 19:19:05] RocketScience : You can check Post-only so you won't buy existing bids/asks
[2016-12-15 19:21:03] tech.coin : RocketScience: Great. And when I dont check possibly I do not get a rebate, but do I pay the taker fee then?
[2016-12-15 19:21:17] tech.coin : Its still a limit order
[2016-12-15 19:21:32] RocketScience : yes, then you are a taker
[2016-12-15 19:21:44] RocketScience : because you accepted the bid/ask from someone technically
[2016-12-15 19:22:00] tech.coin : Oh, okay. Thanx for the tip @ @RocketScience!!
[2016-12-15 19:22:43] BitMEX_Greg : :+1:
[2016-12-15 19:22:44] tech.coin : And thanks rapidtrades for the info about the fees.
[2016-12-15 19:22:47] RocketScience : On XBTUSD perpetual swap there is zero gap right now...so you would do it post only
[2016-12-15 19:24:00] tech.coin : You mean the 0,01 spread?
[2016-12-15 19:25:04] RocketScience : yes
[2016-12-15 19:54:02] tech.coin : Good night everybody. Thanx for the inputs...
[2016-12-15 19:54:10] RocketScience : Good night
[2016-12-15 19:54:35] tech.coin : : )
[2016-12-15 19:54:42] tech.coin : out.
[2016-12-15 19:56:52] Rado : rapidtrades: it's always been 0.075 and 0.025 since I joined
[2016-12-15 19:57:46] Rado : only in the bonus period if you joined from a affiliate link you get discount on the taker fee
[2016-12-15 20:00:25] mjones : 12 hours till new quarterly
[2016-12-15 20:00:29] mjones : get hyped
[2016-12-15 20:06:03] zanza : March 17 ?
[2016-12-15 20:06:48] zanza : wow ETC
[2016-12-15 20:06:51] zanza : ETH getting shit on
[2016-12-15 20:14:33] RocketScience : bitcoin bbands are tight
[2016-12-15 20:15:45] mjones : 4 hour for sure
[2016-12-15 20:19:44] RocketScience : fct ready to challenge 311 sellwall
[2016-12-15 20:39:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 939 @ 0.009840
[2016-12-15 20:43:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 50 @ 0.009790
[2016-12-15 20:50:20] zanza : ETC is 14% ETH now
[2016-12-15 20:52:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 186 @ 0.009710
[2016-12-15 20:54:23] TB : zanza: ?
[2016-12-15 20:54:47] zanza : the price
[2016-12-15 20:55:04] TB : what are the respective hashrates
[2016-12-15 20:55:21] sleger : TB: zanza is a well known troll here, just ignore
[2016-12-15 20:58:59] mjones : bitmex guys. will XBTH17 have the 200 XBT risk limit at opening like how XBTZ16 currently is 200 XBT for 100x?
[2016-12-15 21:07:30] anonymous789 : great time to buy eth
[2016-12-15 21:08:09] mjones : too late now. already bouncing
[2016-12-15 21:17:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: sell 2 @ 0.048347
[2016-12-15 21:24:12] Velancry : anyone long on xbt?
[2016-12-15 21:25:30] mjones : no
[2016-12-15 21:27:01] Velancry : i have been short for a few days now i hope it drops soon
[2016-12-15 21:31:03] TB : Velancry: yes
[2016-12-15 21:37:04] BitMEX_Greg : mjones: I will double check
[2016-12-15 21:37:21] BitMEX_Greg : Most likely it will be the same
[2016-12-15 21:37:46] tb : why did this guy steal my username
[2016-12-15 21:37:50] tb : ^^
[2016-12-15 21:40:29] CaptainDean : he wants a ransom
[2016-12-15 21:40:39] CaptainDean : for you name ;-)
[2016-12-15 21:41:07] tb : ill pay .001 btc for him to change i
[2016-12-15 21:41:23] TB : im not that cheap
[2016-12-15 21:41:47] RocketScience : TB= TrollBro
[2016-12-15 21:42:48] TB : :)
[2016-12-15 21:43:08] tb : how about .01?
[2016-12-15 21:43:45] TB : ok
[2016-12-15 21:44:36] tb : how do we do this
[2016-12-15 21:45:33] TB : 3BMEXKJqBcZfThXdDr38thyKJvbY6s7nFK <=
[2016-12-15 21:45:41] TB : There is but one way
[2016-12-15 21:46:12] TB : I\ll log a ticket to change my chatname
[2016-12-15 21:46:24] sleger : once the transaction is in, support please change my name to TB
[2016-12-15 21:46:45] tb : lol
[2016-12-15 21:46:49] TB : See it was all jokes till the wallet addie pops up
[2016-12-15 21:46:56] tb : you go through all this for .01 btc?
[2016-12-15 21:47:06] TB : its an email dude
[2016-12-15 21:47:13] TB : and 2 digits in a chatbox
[2016-12-15 21:47:18] sleger : it's almost $8
[2016-12-15 21:47:27] tb : just short some zec
[2016-12-15 21:47:35] BTCDJS : Is this big brother and little brother duo named after their father?
[2016-12-15 21:47:42] TB : tb: good luck with that one :)
[2016-12-15 21:47:54] TB : T8
[2016-12-15 21:48:01] TB : that is the father
[2016-12-15 21:48:17] tb : are here restrictions on usernames being unique?
[2016-12-15 21:48:30] RocketScience : everyone post your deposit address for donations xD
[2016-12-15 21:48:37] TB : yes
[2016-12-15 21:48:53] TB : But capitals and lowercase are different ASCII symbols
[2016-12-15 21:49:31] BTCDJS : †ß was your father
[2016-12-15 21:49:46] TB : If you make your username c u n t, does it get converted to cunt
[2016-12-15 21:49:53] mjones : cunt
[2016-12-15 21:49:56] mjones : no
[2016-12-15 21:50:04] mjones : someone has the name fuc k
[2016-12-15 21:50:14] TB : fuck
[2016-12-15 21:50:43] TB : guess someone got fucked on here
[2016-12-15 21:50:57] RocketScience : if he get's his 0.01 btc once...this will become his business model
[2016-12-15 21:50:59] RocketScience : :D
[2016-12-15 21:51:11] tb : https://blockchain.info/address/3BMEXKJqBcZfThXdDr38thyKJvbY6s7nFK
[2016-12-15 21:51:15] TB : squatting usernames you next rocket
[2016-12-15 21:51:38] TB : wow ok, didnt think that was gonna happen
[2016-12-15 21:51:43] TB : I'll pop a ticket
[2016-12-15 21:51:53] sleger : me too
[2016-12-15 21:52:29] TB : Business model incoming
[2016-12-15 21:52:37] mjones : damn. that's a nice sandwich at the local shop
[2016-12-15 21:52:42] sleger : tb: 0.2
[2016-12-15 21:52:55] RocketScience : a Hamburger
[2016-12-15 21:53:05] sleger : 7 macdo
[2016-12-15 21:53:43] TB : So what should my new name be?
[2016-12-15 21:53:45] TB : rocketScience?
[2016-12-15 21:53:55] tb : s1eger
[2016-12-15 21:53:59] TB : Sleger?
[2016-12-15 21:54:00] tb : s|eger
[2016-12-15 21:54:03] tb : Sleger
[2016-12-15 21:54:03] tb : yeah
[2016-12-15 21:54:07] sleger : lol
[2016-12-15 21:54:20] sleger : i'll give you 0.01 to not use Sleger
[2016-12-15 21:54:26] TB : captaindean, oh yeah
[2016-12-15 21:54:34] TB : first one to suggest ransom
[2016-12-15 21:55:57] TB : Ok, so in future my name shall be TrollBro
[2016-12-15 21:56:24] sleger : tb is for tuberculosis anyways
[2016-12-15 21:56:43] sleger : who'd want that...
[2016-12-15 21:56:50] TB : sleger: didnt think of that, crap...
[2016-12-15 22:08:22] mjones : people want xmr
[2016-12-15 22:12:45] RocketScience : give me fomo, give me fire!
[2016-12-15 22:18:59] mjones : etc bouncing
[2016-12-15 22:56:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: buy 1 @ 0.001408
[2016-12-15 23:07:28] sleger : mario run is available !
[2016-12-15 23:09:59] j8 : i bet it fails big league
[2016-12-15 23:10:25] sleger : i dont think so everyone will just pay for it.
[2016-12-15 23:10:29] sleger : how much is it ?
[2016-12-15 23:10:33] j8 : but i don't have an iphone so i'm bitter
[2016-12-15 23:10:35] j8 : it's 10 bucks
[2016-12-15 23:10:47] sleger : ouch
[2016-12-15 23:11:04] sleger : it's the standard price for forcing someone to change username
[2016-12-15 23:11:19] j8 : i guess when you put it that way
[2016-12-15 23:11:51] j8 : but who wants to play mario with one finger on a phone, really...
[2016-12-15 23:12:37] sleger : im going to respond between every new world
[2016-12-15 23:13:55] CaptainDean : There is only one red CaptainDean !
[2016-12-15 23:13:58] CaptainDean : ;-)
[2016-12-15 23:14:19] CaptainDean : This ransom thing was a pure joke, but funny become reals sometime !
[2016-12-15 23:15:18] zanza : these bbands looking pretty tight
[2016-12-15 23:17:33] sleger : why are you talking about your underwear here ?
[2016-12-15 23:43:05] sleger : i wanna buy XBJZ16, any offer better than the orderbook for size ?
[2016-12-15 23:52:41] zanza : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-15/bizarre-reason-why-worlds-worst-currency-just-soared-60
[2016-12-15 23:52:56] zanza : Bolivar is the new shitcoin to speculate on
[2016-12-15 23:55:00] j8 : sleger: i might sell some but i need to close short on the weekly, and that probably won't happen until settlement
[2016-12-15 23:56:11] sleger : there is a big premium on that somehow
[2016-12-15 23:56:49] j8 : and yet not on the daily which settles at the exact same price
[2016-12-15 23:57:07] sleger : yes always funny the last day
[2016-12-15 23:57:22] sleger : im long J7d so closing some
[2016-12-15 23:58:16] j8 : i sold some at 95000 and it's starting to be not an outrageous price
[2016-12-15 23:58:43] sleger : ah you got lucky
[2016-12-15 23:58:51] sleger : those trades should have been reversed
[2016-12-15 23:58:56] sleger : like they did on quoine
[2016-12-15 23:59:07] j8 : yeah, but ya know bitmex doesn't do that
[2016-12-15 23:59:12] sleger : i wasnt involved in any of those trades though so can speak with any interest
[2016-12-15 23:59:52] sleger : someone posted a big buy on J7d
[2016-12-16 00:00:23] j8 : it's likely the MM had trades reversed on quoine and not reversed here
[2016-12-16 00:00:40] sleger : MM stopped J after that
[2016-12-16 00:00:56] sleger : that would be surprising that bitmex wouldnt help the MM though
[2016-12-16 00:01:51] j8 : yeah they are responsible for a ton of volume, assuming it's the same "main" mm
[2016-12-16 00:02:17] sleger : yes it very likely is. If i were them i would have negotiated over 50% of equity in bitmex
[2016-12-16 00:04:28] sleger : premium slowly building everywhere
[2016-12-16 01:08:11] mjones : how to kill 7 more hours
[2016-12-16 01:08:36] thiago : the gui is looking all blurred up with chrome :/
[2016-12-16 01:12:46] sleger : not here
[2016-12-16 01:15:30] arbitrage001 : mjones: star war rogue is out
[2016-12-16 01:15:42] arbitrage001 : going out to watch it
[2016-12-16 01:15:48] arbitrage001 : discount in the morning
[2016-12-16 01:30:41] mjones : 5454.54 CNY how nice
[2016-12-16 01:31:39] j8 : 5555.55 would be even nicer
[2016-12-16 01:31:49] mjones : that's the 2016 okcoin high
[2016-12-16 01:31:55] mjones : i think it's 5555.00 cny
[2016-12-16 01:53:08] mjones : dang. i'm gonna binge watch Drunk History on youtube. never seen this before
[2016-12-16 01:53:48] mjones : btc dont pump yet
[2016-12-16 01:53:52] mjones : too soon too soon
[2016-12-16 01:54:14] sleger : too late
[2016-12-16 01:54:55] startChat : how boring
[2016-12-16 01:56:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: buy 150000 @ 785.63 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-12-16 01:56:11] mjones : lol wtf
[2016-12-16 01:56:15] KingTuna : lol why short
[2016-12-16 01:56:29] sleger : cause otherwise nobody would be long
[2016-12-16 01:56:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: buy 30000 @ 786.70
[2016-12-16 01:56:39] KingTuna : wow
[2016-12-16 01:56:39] mjones : damn fomo
[2016-12-16 02:09:43] aethlios : scummy china wait a few hours for the quarterlies
[2016-12-16 02:10:16] aethlios : will they pump it to the core?
[2016-12-16 02:10:49] mjones : just means quarterly premium will be crazy
[2016-12-16 02:11:34] mjones : almost new 2016 high in china which is 3 year high
[2016-12-16 02:11:37] aethlios : yes, try to bid cheap for 20 premium
[2016-12-16 02:11:57] mjones : 5498 cny just hit
[2016-12-16 02:12:26] mjones : 5498 cny
[2016-12-16 02:12:29] mjones : damn
[2016-12-16 02:12:39] CaptainDean : come on BTC just lift off !
[2016-12-16 02:12:52] aethlios : so strong btc, dollar super strong and btc beats the dollar. poor gold and silver massacred.
[2016-12-16 02:13:16] mjones : lol etc buyers
[2016-12-16 02:14:39] aethlios : let's make swap premiums grate again.
[2016-12-16 02:15:18] CaptainDean : THE WALL
[2016-12-16 02:15:19] mjones : expecting it's gonna be huge
[2016-12-16 02:16:03] CaptainDean : that is a good bet on a "Huston we don't have alift off"
[2016-12-16 02:16:06] CaptainDean : ;-)
[2016-12-16 02:16:30] CaptainDean : and it's gone
[2016-12-16 02:16:32] mjones : thinking price will be $850 on march 31st
[2016-12-16 02:17:03] CaptainDean : we break 780, i think it'll be a goof jump
[2016-12-16 02:17:09] CaptainDean : but hey .. who knows. ..
[2016-12-16 02:18:02] mjones : i just wanna long the new quarterly then it can pump 20% and another 20% because it is so new
[2016-12-16 02:18:41] mjones : in b4 huge pump and dumps and lots of adl
[2016-12-16 02:18:45] CaptainDean : that is something i never had the faith to trade
[2016-12-16 02:18:55] CaptainDean : i'm not good enough for that
[2016-12-16 02:19:14] mjones : you wont be able to short and survive unless it's like 5x or less
[2016-12-16 02:20:12] CaptainDean : anyway i'm just trading small amount, low risk. learning process
[2016-12-16 02:20:32] CaptainDean : but I have been interresting the quatertly recently
[2016-12-16 02:21:01] CaptainDean : like i sat the Zec introduction but did learn a lot during th eprocess
[2016-12-16 02:21:17] CaptainDean : anyway leverage is like too small for the trade i want to do
[2016-12-16 02:21:45] CaptainDean : my only regret is to not have 10 BTC when they annonce the roof would not be remove (10 BTC)
[2016-12-16 02:25:29] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/QAt7ES1s/
[2016-12-16 02:25:41] aethlios : posted that 2 or 3 days ago
[2016-12-16 02:28:51] CaptainDean : I wish i could bet a house on that
[2016-12-16 02:28:55] CaptainDean : hahahahah ;-)
[2016-12-16 02:29:11] mjones : yeah only the most stubborn bears dont think it's going up
[2016-12-16 02:29:33] mjones : and they think that because they are out of ammo to keep price down and cant send it lower to get back in
[2016-12-16 02:30:37] mjones : i see people post their trading groups have money on the side to get in lower. or most people sold and looking to get back in
[2016-12-16 02:31:31] mjones : besides a few minutes on a flash dump good luck getting in low
[2016-12-16 02:31:40] aethlios : mjones: the market always offers opportunity, like the bitfinex hack gave a 480 decent entry
[2016-12-16 02:31:57] mjones : lol "always"
[2016-12-16 02:32:06] mjones : maybe a few weeks by chance
[2016-12-16 02:32:36] CaptainDean : I just hope flash touch the ATH, better if the price take his timing and form some support
[2016-12-16 02:32:45] CaptainDean : I just hope wont don't**
[2016-12-16 02:32:54] CaptainDean : his time**
[2016-12-16 02:33:38] CaptainDean : aethlios: How did you generate the prediction line on your graphic ? This is maths ?handwriting ?
[2016-12-16 02:36:50] aethlios : CaptainDean: it is technical analysis, ascending triangle pattern break out, happened previous 2 times as my chart shows.
[2016-12-16 02:36:58] aethlios : https://www.google.gr/search?q=bullish+triangle+pattern+break+out&espv=2&biw=2072&bih=1260&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjNzr3l1vfQAhXKAxoKHXAfDqAQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=ascending+triangle+pattern+break+out&imgrc=dMTV9ann_av0fM%3A
[2016-12-16 02:37:42] CaptainDean : aethlios: thanks going to see that right away
[2016-12-16 02:38:27] aethlios : you should study one or two books about technical analysis. are free in pdf on google
[2016-12-16 02:39:18] aethlios : https://www.google.gr/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=edwards%20magee%20technical%20analysis%20of%20stock%20trends%20pdf
[2016-12-16 02:39:46] aethlios : this is a well known book and has it all, a little heavy but has it all/
[2016-12-16 02:40:13] CaptainDean : I should be fine with the heavy ! :D
[2016-12-16 02:40:18] CaptainDean : aethlios: thank you
[2016-12-16 02:40:41] aethlios : https://www.google.gr/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=reminiscences%20of%20a%20stock%20operator%20pdf
[2016-12-16 02:40:51] aethlios : reminiscences of a stock operator
[2016-12-16 02:41:56] aethlios : also that for trading psychology, basically it will save you many mistakes. those two books are basic to start clicking the buy sell buttons
[2016-12-16 02:42:33] aethlios : search on amazon to read reviews
[2016-12-16 02:45:50] CaptainDean : aethlios: I think you already suggested me the first book
[2016-12-16 02:46:04] CaptainDean : aethlios: sorry the second one, I have read a good part of it
[2016-12-16 02:47:11] mjones : damn xbtz16 complete retrace.
[2016-12-16 02:47:53] mjones : lol
[2016-12-16 02:47:54] mjones : wow dump
[2016-12-16 02:48:00] mjones : get rekt
[2016-12-16 02:48:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: sell 10500 @ 779.90
[2016-12-16 02:49:27] mjones : lol
[2016-12-16 02:49:28] mjones : wow
[2016-12-16 02:49:48] CaptainDean : time to buy that house ! ;-)
[2016-12-16 02:50:07] mjones : moving $10 has never been more fun
[2016-12-16 02:53:04] KingTuna : hehe this is great
[2016-12-16 02:53:15] KingTuna : Higher lows and higher highs
[2016-12-16 02:53:21] mjones : indeed
[2016-12-16 02:53:24] aethlios : faggot chinese, if you want to dump it, then dump it like a man , let us grab some BTC by the C
[2016-12-16 02:53:32] KingTuna : With nice little surprise dumps in between to clean up :)
[2016-12-16 02:54:00] aethlios : dump it to the core then dump it to the floor
[2016-12-16 02:54:16] aethlios : no pump it to the core then dump it to the floor
[2016-12-16 02:56:58] aethlios : someone doesn't agree to a pump before 08:00 UTC
[2016-12-16 03:00:09] aethlios : swap very bullish, something is smelling,
[2016-12-16 03:00:44] mjones : friday breaking news will be obama birth certificate is fraud
[2016-12-16 03:19:21] KingTuna : hmmm Bitmex doesn't have a 'trailing' stop market trigger do they?
[2016-12-16 03:19:38] Rado : they do
[2016-12-16 03:20:07] mjones : KingTuna: http://i.imgur.com/7HRht0v.png
[2016-12-16 03:21:01] KingTuna : mjones: super! Thanks! I didn't even click on those 3 vertical dots lol
[2016-12-16 04:06:21] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.9508 (vs. yesterday at 6.9289)
[2016-12-16 04:06:31] rapidtrades : onshore >offshore rate today
[2016-12-16 04:46:39] mjones : 3 hours till new quarterly. if btc pumps like crazy at the same time i will lol
[2016-12-16 04:46:53] mjones : never thought btc would wait for quarterlies. but it seems to be that way
[2016-12-16 04:47:15] mjones : or else just a coincidence
[2016-12-16 04:49:03] j8 : if you're a whale you might want to dump to get a better long entry on quarterlies
[2016-12-16 04:51:18] l3f : j8: but all the bottom feeders will buy it all up
[2016-12-16 04:53:52] j8 : well that would be you buying it up.. probably at a cheaper premium than if the market was super bullish
[2016-12-16 04:56:06] aethlios : stamp very bearish
[2016-12-16 05:14:42] l3f : fuck you bitmex for moving around with XBTUSD/XBTZ16
[2016-12-16 05:15:43] l3f : stop changing their positions based on volume
[2016-12-16 05:16:09] mjones : but if the pump is insane and starting now then you wanna buy up all you can
[2016-12-16 05:16:28] l3f : mjones: if I was a whale I'd dump into the willing hands of bagholders
[2016-12-16 05:16:29] l3f : but that's just me
[2016-12-16 05:16:48] mjones : right now we're at the top of 2016 highs. market cap at ATH.
[2016-12-16 05:16:55] mjones : lots of money on the sidelines
[2016-12-16 05:17:02] l3f : then I'll slowly break their spirits over the next month
[2016-12-16 05:17:09] mjones : but i know it's BTC and can dump 10% like it's nothing
[2016-12-16 05:17:32] l3f : 740 target not unreasonable
[2016-12-16 05:17:41] l3f : but neither is 830
[2016-12-16 05:18:27] mjones : look at the last month http://i.imgur.com/j4BUajq.png
[2016-12-16 05:18:40] mjones : just insane at how it's higher and higher lows
[2016-12-16 05:19:00] mjones : and it's near where the top of the pump was 30 days ago
[2016-12-16 05:19:14] mjones : just looks like it's ready to break up like crazy
[2016-12-16 05:19:45] l3f : most breakouts fail
[2016-12-16 05:19:49] l3f : it can just bounce and retrace
[2016-12-16 05:19:55] l3f : but this is a bulltrend
[2016-12-16 05:20:04] mjones : right now quarterly is $784
[2016-12-16 05:20:13] mjones : in 2 hours 40 minutes the new one may be at like $850
[2016-12-16 05:20:41] l3f : no that's retarded
[2016-12-16 05:21:00] mjones : we'll see if it is retarded or not
[2016-12-16 05:21:10] mjones : i agree if it is that high it's crazy
[2016-12-16 05:21:24] mjones : i say $830 if it were to open right now
[2016-12-16 05:21:35] l3f : yeah
[2016-12-16 05:21:40] mjones : but i dunno if we have an MM's in here to say
[2016-12-16 05:21:45] mjones : where they will put their bids
[2016-12-16 05:21:58] mjones : i bet they follow okcoin quarterly
[2016-12-16 05:22:10] mjones : unless someone here is crazy and goes higher
[2016-12-16 05:23:01] mjones : but we are 80 cny away from new 3 year highs in china so who knows where the price will go
[2016-12-16 05:23:55] l3f : I think the whales hasn't fully extracted money from the FOMOers
[2016-12-16 05:23:59] l3f : I expect hard dump
[2016-12-16 05:24:30] mjones : i will lol if everyone fomos into the new quarterly and those over leveraged that didnt fomo close on the dump get rekt
[2016-12-16 05:25:01] l3f : make it happen sleger
[2016-12-16 05:25:08] l3f : 100x short
[2016-12-16 05:25:09] mjones : but if people fomo long and okcoin pumps to 6000 CNY then we're all smart
[2016-12-16 05:25:09] CaptainDean : we need to break 800
[2016-12-16 05:25:23] l3f : mjones: oh it will just not today
[2016-12-16 05:25:34] l3f : CaptainDean: fakeout to 6000
[2016-12-16 05:25:38] l3f : dump to 400
[2016-12-16 05:25:43] mjones : it did pump 600 CNY in a short amount of time not that long ago. so it could happen
[2016-12-16 05:25:57] CaptainDean : dump to 400 geez that's enormous
[2016-12-16 05:26:01] l3f : 4000*
[2016-12-16 05:26:09] CaptainDean : kk i feel better now
[2016-12-16 05:26:11] CaptainDean : hahahaha ;-)
[2016-12-16 05:26:17] mjones : i dont see how people have enough BTC to dump and keep dumping. just doesnt make sense
[2016-12-16 05:26:20] mjones : the market is going to bounce
[2016-12-16 05:26:37] l3f : whales bought btc off chain
[2016-12-16 05:26:41] l3f : they bid in the fbi auctions etc
[2016-12-16 05:27:03] l3f : you won't see them enter/exit the market
[2016-12-16 05:27:09] mjones : but why dump now when we're so close to ATH. you can easily dump 2x or 3x once media gets the word out
[2016-12-16 05:27:37] mjones : or wait for etf if that ever happens then sell at 10x
[2016-12-16 05:27:41] l3f : tbqh they can dump whenever
[2016-12-16 05:27:57] mjones : but these people are so rich why do they even need to dump BTC
[2016-12-16 05:27:58] l3f : but right now market needs a push in either their direction
[2016-12-16 05:28:02] mjones : they can just hold and live a nice life anyways
[2016-12-16 05:28:16] l3f : mjones: could use a second yacht
[2016-12-16 05:28:31] l3f : the rich get richer smh
[2016-12-16 05:28:44] mjones : the stock market is going up so they are already getting richer
[2016-12-16 05:28:47] mjones : no need to dump the btc
[2016-12-16 05:29:41] l3f : You read this like this
[2016-12-16 05:29:41] l3f : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/5im8dx/daily_discussion_friday_december_16_2016/db9c1bo/
[2016-12-16 05:29:55] mjones : you are correct
[2016-12-16 05:29:57] l3f : and you're like damn I want him to go 100x long and get rekt
[2016-12-16 05:30:11] mjones : yeah
[2016-12-16 05:30:12] l3f : you read shit*
[2016-12-16 05:30:25] mjones : i'm usually fucked up
[2016-12-16 05:30:30] mjones : drugs n shit
[2016-12-16 05:30:47] mjones : i'm hella wasted right now
[2016-12-16 05:30:59] lockhedge : mjones: do you expect $830 for XBTH17 or new okc quarterlies?
[2016-12-16 05:31:24] mjones : i expect okcoin and bitmex new quarterly to be about the same premium
[2016-12-16 05:31:37] mjones : the beginning price i dunno. it'll overshoot and then come back down
[2016-12-16 05:31:44] mjones : probably end up being around $40 higher than spot
[2016-12-16 05:31:58] iisss : why is BitMex treading down when everything else is going up?
[2016-12-16 05:31:59] mjones : could overshoot to $60 over spot
[2016-12-16 05:32:14] mjones : depends on what you are looking at iisss
[2016-12-16 05:32:18] iisss : feel like i'm taking crazy pills
[2016-12-16 05:32:41] iisss : 5 minute charts between BitFinex and BitMex
[2016-12-16 05:32:43] lockhedge : okc quarterlies will be around $15 than here (they are 50% based on BTC/CNY spot)
[2016-12-16 05:32:46] iisss : complete divergance
[2016-12-16 05:33:00] lockhedge : *$15 higher than here
[2016-12-16 05:33:06] mjones : ah okay
[2016-12-16 05:33:27] lockhedge : maybe even $25
[2016-12-16 05:33:55] l3f : "Predicted Funding Rate: 0.2724% in 14 hours"
[2016-12-16 05:33:55] l3f : fucking lol
[2016-12-16 05:33:59] iisss : $10 diff between Bitmex and Huobi
[2016-12-16 05:34:03] mjones : right now okcoin quarterly is at $787 and bitmex is $786
[2016-12-16 05:34:07] mjones : so that's why i thought they'd be close
[2016-12-16 05:34:10] aethlios : first time in btc history such frenzee about the new quarterlies, tradingview talk about that also.
[2016-12-16 05:34:36] iisss : oh, contract divergance to spot.
[2016-12-16 05:34:50] iisss : makes sense
[2016-12-16 05:36:19] mjones : aethlios: yeah i'm surprised at the quarterly futures talk
[2016-12-16 05:36:33] mjones : okcoin seems to move the price and their futures platform is big
[2016-12-16 05:36:45] mjones : but i didnt think it's big enough that the whole btc market cared about it
[2016-12-16 05:37:24] aethlios : yes they have much control of the market, but bitmex starts to make it more difficult.
[2016-12-16 05:37:40] aethlios : for them.
[2016-12-16 05:38:18] mjones : i think bitmex just follows
[2016-12-16 05:38:52] mjones : not making it more difficult at all
[2016-12-16 05:39:44] aethlios : i mean because another future market exists with real volume, make it more diffucult for them to manipulate.
[2016-12-16 05:40:34] lockhedge : aethlios: what premium do you expect here and for new okc quarterlies?
[2016-12-16 05:41:23] mjones : eh. i dont think so. at least not yet. i doubt china men are having to send btc over to bitmex because they are not following what they do
[2016-12-16 05:42:13] aethlios : lockhedge: finex rates are 0.075% daily, so a natural equivalent could be 0.075%*105*780= 61 usd.
[2016-12-16 05:42:41] aethlios : 0.075%*105*780= 61
[2016-12-16 05:43:06] aethlios : 0.075%x105x780= 61
[2016-12-16 05:43:13] l3f : does okcoin have a live chat?
[2016-12-16 05:43:28] mjones : no
[2016-12-16 05:44:03] l3f : where do chinese traders chat?
[2016-12-16 05:44:18] lockhedge : aethlios: F-XBT:USD-MAR17 at cryptofacilities has less than $40
[2016-12-16 05:44:31] mjones : ask in the chinese trollbox
[2016-12-16 05:44:39] mjones : i'm not sure myself
[2016-12-16 05:46:45] mjones : after that dump china is 10 cny away from a new high
[2016-12-16 05:46:54] lockhedge : CME CNY/USD futures for March at 1.45% premium http://www.cmegroup.com/europe/products/fx/emerging-markets/usd-cny.html
[2016-12-16 05:48:07] mjones : hopefully if it does pump it'll hold off for 2 hours
[2016-12-16 05:48:44] mjones : fuck
[2016-12-16 05:48:47] mjones : there goes china
[2016-12-16 05:48:50] mjones : giving 0 fucks
[2016-12-16 05:49:36] l3f : The fomo is out of control
[2016-12-16 05:50:16] CaptainDean : this is jump a small jump
[2016-12-16 05:50:18] CaptainDean : ;-)
[2016-12-16 05:50:18] mjones : was 36 CNY away from 3 year high
[2016-12-16 05:50:51] mjones : any short closing / stops / fomo buys can shoot it way up quickly
[2016-12-16 05:51:48] CaptainDean : or not !
[2016-12-16 05:52:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: buy 1220 @ 791.64
[2016-12-16 05:52:14] l3f : wew lads
[2016-12-16 05:52:16] mjones : when will the buying stop
[2016-12-16 05:52:29] l3f : never apparently
[2016-12-16 05:52:55] mjones : $10 moves never felt so good
[2016-12-16 05:53:09] mjones : soon it'll be $50 and $100 moves
[2016-12-16 05:53:27] mjones : and so far bitmex hasnt lagged so good job
[2016-12-16 05:58:11] iisss : is this the settlement pump?
[2016-12-16 06:06:47] mjones : perhaps
[2016-12-16 06:07:13] mjones : if it cant break 5555 CNY then close / shrot
[2016-12-16 06:07:16] mjones : short*
[2016-12-16 06:07:49] mjones : or even if it does break then watch out for the fake out pump / dump
[2016-12-16 06:27:15] CaptainDean : who's buying the dip ? :P
[2016-12-16 06:27:43] mjones : buying the dip means price is going down...
[2016-12-16 06:28:26] CaptainDean : ;-)
[2016-12-16 06:29:10] arbitrage001 : i am buying this dip
[2016-12-16 06:36:28] l3f : so much euphoria
[2016-12-16 06:37:06] aethlios : l3f: and still below 800
[2016-12-16 06:37:15] l3f : not even moving
[2016-12-16 06:37:37] aethlios : it is like a horse before the door opens to race
[2016-12-16 06:38:51] mjones : almost to new quarterly time
[2016-12-16 06:39:04] mjones : couple more lines of cocaine and we'll be there
[2016-12-16 06:39:26] arbitrage001 : mjones: what is your plan with the new qualerly?
[2016-12-16 06:39:47] mjones : if i can long in low thanks to MM with a 20k wall i will
[2016-12-16 06:39:56] mjones : i'll be watching 0kcoin quarterly
[2016-12-16 06:40:06] mjones : and if it is going up then i'll long here
[2016-12-16 06:40:13] arbitrage001 : you expect low premium from MM?
[2016-12-16 06:40:18] mjones : but i wont be longing if it's like $60 higher than spot
[2016-12-16 06:40:34] mjones : hopefully i get in at like $795
[2016-12-16 06:40:42] mjones : by some idiot
[2016-12-16 06:40:55] mjones : we'll see. first time for me here like everyone else
[2016-12-16 06:41:22] mjones : okcoin used to have idiots low balling. last time though you were lucky to get in $40 higher
[2016-12-16 06:41:32] arbitrage001 : i expect premium to be higher than 60
[2016-12-16 06:41:40] arbitrage001 : for new qualterly
[2016-12-16 06:41:57] mjones : yeah. if someone has low ball orders i will be longing into them
[2016-12-16 06:42:15] mjones : right now anything under $830 i'll long
[2016-12-16 06:42:50] mjones : 78 minutes to go though.
[2016-12-16 06:43:06] arbitrage001 : only 78 mins?
[2016-12-16 06:43:15] arbitrage001 : thought a few hours away
[2016-12-16 06:43:25] arbitrage001 : like 5 hours 17 mins
[2016-12-16 06:43:45] mjones : i know it takes like 8 minutes for okcoin new quarterly to happen or some shit like that if i remember correctly
[2016-12-16 06:43:54] mjones : so bitmex may happen first
[2016-12-16 06:43:57] mjones : will be interesting
[2016-12-16 06:44:06] arbitrage001 : loinging swap now also looks cheap
[2016-12-16 06:44:07] mjones : 1 hour 16 minutes
[2016-12-16 06:44:10] aethlios : I guess from now on the new quarterlies will be for btc what FOMC is for usd.
[2016-12-16 06:44:19] arbitrage001 : funding rate is lower than the premium
[2016-12-16 06:44:28] lockhedge : okc quarterlies and XBTH17 are listing at 8 UTC afaik
[2016-12-16 06:44:48] mjones : 1 hour 15 minutes
[2016-12-16 06:48:17] aaaaa : what is the .XBT indicator at the candlestick graph stands for??
[2016-12-16 06:48:42] aaaaa : why it is so low compared to the spot price at this moment?
[2016-12-16 06:48:54] aethlios : aaaaa: the index which the future is quoted
[2016-12-16 06:49:09] aethlios : kaiko price
[2016-12-16 06:49:28] aaaaa : in my computer it is around 774 just now
[2016-12-16 06:49:34] aaaaa : and kaiko 777
[2016-12-16 06:49:40] aaaaa : it doesnt make sense
[2016-12-16 06:49:49] ytaews : I see 779
[2016-12-16 06:50:06] aethlios : 779 swap 777.33 kaiko
[2016-12-16 06:50:08] aaaaa : I am talking about the bule line
[2016-12-16 06:50:20] aaaaa : blue
[2016-12-16 06:50:22] lockhedge : aaaaa: change to 1m charts
[2016-12-16 06:50:44] aaaaa : now it is accurate
[2016-12-16 06:51:04] aaaaa : thank you
[2016-12-16 06:51:35] aaaaa : it looks like it will take on more period to refresh at 1hour chart
[2016-12-16 06:59:18] mjones : 1 hour. perhaps we see a fake out pump then biggish dump
[2016-12-16 07:00:08] mjones : it's crazy thinking this day would never come then it does
[2016-12-16 07:00:14] mjones : we're all getting older
[2016-12-16 07:00:24] l3f : am I the only one that thinks nothing will happen?
[2016-12-16 07:00:38] mjones : wtf? something is going to happen
[2016-12-16 07:00:46] mjones : new quarterly opens and people get in position
[2016-12-16 07:01:09] l3f : and why would that move the current price?
[2016-12-16 07:01:46] mjones : because the new quarterly closes in 3.5 months. so people think price will be higher and you can long in hopes others long after you and you make money
[2016-12-16 07:01:59] mjones : greater fool theory
[2016-12-16 07:02:33] mjones : and the whole price is a few dollars from a 3 year high which may make people FOMO in
[2016-12-16 07:02:47] laisee : 1st fule is the winner
[2016-12-16 07:03:37] mjones : the price is already moving up. was 5450 cny and now 5495 cny
[2016-12-16 07:04:00] mjones : just sit tight for 56 minutes
[2016-12-16 07:04:02] laisee : saving my pennies for the big ZEC pump led by rapidtardes
[2016-12-16 07:04:08] imabeast : whos bot is on zec
[2016-12-16 07:04:09] imabeast : lmao
[2016-12-16 07:04:16] mjones : yeah man. 5x long that zec soon
[2016-12-16 07:04:25] Newmex : where will the new quarterly appear in 1 hour?
[2016-12-16 07:04:42] mjones : i cant give all my secrets away Newmex
[2016-12-16 07:04:46] laisee : ZEC -> moon
[2016-12-16 07:04:51] mjones : i wanna be first in line for the low ball bids
[2016-12-16 07:04:54] Newmex : :(
[2016-12-16 07:05:08] Newmex : any bitmex mods can help me since mjones won't? lol
[2016-12-16 07:05:24] mjones : i'll be a bro. https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTH17
[2016-12-16 07:05:27] BitMEX_Wally : Newmex: They will appear here
[2016-12-16 07:05:28] mjones : good luck
[2016-12-16 07:05:38] mjones : appear here. like magic!
[2016-12-16 07:05:50] mjones : we'll all see it appear at the same time
[2016-12-16 07:06:07] mjones : up to the market makers to set the price
[2016-12-16 07:06:14] BitMEX_Wally : Yep, next to the "Dec 30 (100x)" tab will appear a "Mar 31 (100x)" tab
[2016-12-16 07:06:43] Newmex : ok. will we need to refresh or will you guys do an update
[2016-12-16 07:06:47] Newmex : so it appears on its own
[2016-12-16 07:07:10] aethlios : bitmex will appear first, okcoin takes 3 minutes to show up
[2016-12-16 07:07:49] Newmex : ok ty