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[2016-12-13 21:51:01] Tetsuo : which sadly is to long as i learned in Bitmex IRC
[2016-12-13 21:51:27] Tetsuo : from which i have misteriously been banned 3 weeks ago
[2016-12-13 21:52:31] BTCDJS : Rapidsmom?
[2016-12-13 21:52:50] Tetsuo : is it also your mom?
[2016-12-13 21:53:02] BTCDJS : I wish
[2016-12-13 21:53:05] Tetsuo : she never told me she has a second retard
[2016-12-13 21:53:09] BTCDJS : rapids mom is fit
[2016-12-13 21:53:42] Tetsuo : we know
[2016-12-13 21:54:03] BTCDJS : Unlike your mom she's got all her teeth
[2016-12-13 21:56:42] Tetsuo : :older_woman:
[2016-12-13 21:58:57] mjones : not in etc bingbongfly
[2016-12-13 22:03:24] emirate : hi
[2016-12-13 22:10:19] CaptainDean : Rapid's mon is the best IMO
[2016-12-13 22:10:43] BTCDJS : Rapids mon eh
[2016-12-13 22:10:54] CaptainDean : I like to be flatter with the comparaison of having of what she call "An EPIC two-hander"
[2016-12-13 22:11:02] wurstgelee : zec .06
[2016-12-13 22:11:43] emirate : what you mean
[2016-12-13 22:12:07] Tetsuo : *in memory of trollboxer* we might probably be near his break even price
[2016-12-13 22:12:16] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-12-13 22:12:27] wurstgelee : he shorted a lot in the mid 0s
[2016-12-13 22:12:29] wurstgelee : 30s
[2016-12-13 22:12:42] wurstgelee : average ~ .04something i guess
[2016-12-13 22:13:06] wurstgelee : and below .06
[2016-12-13 22:13:09] Tetsuo : maybe he lives a better life now
[2016-12-13 22:13:14] emirate : am just new to this platform.i deposited 0.001tc whst is profit
[2016-12-13 22:13:21] Tetsuo : 0.2 per day
[2016-12-13 22:13:53] wurstgelee : 3 and a half strawberries
[2016-12-13 22:15:45] Tetsuo : fees are like 1 cucumber per day to keep rapids mom happy
[2016-12-13 22:17:24] Tetsuo : Bitmex->: the only 100% ecological trading place
[2016-12-13 22:35:45] rms : i'm thinking zec needs a quick dump to .05 or .045 and then a trend reversal
[2016-12-13 22:51:22] mjones : fct still pumping
[2016-12-13 22:52:23] mjones : etc back up a bit after that dump
[2016-12-13 23:21:39] marenkar : Hello
[2016-12-13 23:35:08] BitMEX_Greg : marenkar: Hi welcome
[2016-12-13 23:38:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 37541 @ 776.83
[2016-12-13 23:43:13] mjones : lol how did they get rekt
[2016-12-13 23:43:50] mjones : stamp at 777.77
[2016-12-13 23:44:19] mjones : bitfinex back to $10 away from new high
[2016-12-13 23:47:26] sleger : mjones: kcoin usd went to 775
[2016-12-13 23:47:43] mjones : waiting to see if btc breaks down again or not.
[2016-12-13 23:48:01] mjones : bbands tight on the 1 hour now
[2016-12-13 23:48:22] sleger : btcjpy showing its going higher
[2016-12-13 23:51:53] marenkar : Thanks Greg.
[2016-12-13 23:56:54] mjones : dumping
[2016-12-13 23:57:16] mjones : someone in china found a few thousand btc to sell
[2016-12-13 23:57:30] bingbongfly : mjones: probably from margin :)
[2016-12-13 23:57:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 25000 @ 776.76
[2016-12-13 23:57:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 1000 @ 779.74
[2016-12-13 23:58:26] mjones : at least this time i closed my long in nice profit
[2016-12-13 23:58:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 40 @ 0.010360
[2016-12-13 23:58:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 100 @ 777.76
[2016-12-13 23:58:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10888 @ 775.17
[2016-12-14 00:00:25] mjones : xmr nice pump but btc already bouncing back to where it was
[2016-12-14 00:02:13] mjones : xmr highest it has been in 8 days
[2016-12-14 00:02:42] asdfman : what makes the average on the index price?
[2016-12-14 00:03:01] sleger : the sum and then division by number of elements
[2016-12-14 00:03:11] asdfman : what exchanges?
[2016-12-14 00:04:23] lockhedge : 50% bitstamp, 50% okc usd
[2016-12-14 00:04:32] asdfman : only those two??
[2016-12-14 00:04:40] sleger : yes
[2016-12-14 00:04:45] asdfman : aha
[2016-12-14 00:05:04] sleger : ahaha
[2016-12-14 00:05:07] asdfman : the two lowest volume ones
[2016-12-14 00:05:16] asdfman : two of the*
[2016-12-14 00:05:21] sleger : no some have lower volumes
[2016-12-14 00:05:52] mjones : dead cats. they bounce
[2016-12-14 00:06:58] asdfman : higher than the original fall height? :P
[2016-12-14 00:07:18] asdfman : that would be nice
[2016-12-14 00:11:00] mjones : nice XMR bot. waits for BTC to dump before starting its pump
[2016-12-14 00:12:30] mjones : although it'll take 1000 BTC to move it up much higher from here. unless whale eats own walls
[2016-12-14 00:14:01] mjones : btc doesnt even fall 1% and the bigger alts pump
[2016-12-14 00:16:41] Tetsuo : yeah fukk u bitcoin, give us back our alt P&Ds
[2016-12-14 00:18:11] Velancry : RIP LONG
[2016-12-14 00:19:33] mjones : oh damn. should have shorted btc at 880
[2016-12-14 00:19:56] mjones : i'll just set a buy order at $701 and see if it goes that low again
[2016-12-14 00:20:03] sleger : or at 1000
[2016-12-14 00:20:15] mjones : eth going for the moon
[2016-12-14 00:20:46] Velancry : mjones: it will go way under 700 I think.
[2016-12-14 00:20:47] Tetsuo : serious XMR dumping
[2016-12-14 00:21:03] mjones : lol fake out breakout to dump
[2016-12-14 00:22:53] Velancry : short it
[2016-12-14 00:25:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 774.20
[2016-12-14 00:25:43] mjones : man. tempting to short BTC
[2016-12-14 00:26:00] anonymous789 : are we finally dumping
[2016-12-14 00:26:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 773.54
[2016-12-14 00:26:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 28340 @ 773.75
[2016-12-14 00:26:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50100 @ 773.63 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-12-14 00:26:18] anonymous789 : oh that feels good
[2016-12-14 00:26:20] Velancry : RIP :D
[2016-12-14 00:26:25] anonymous789 : i bathe in your rekt blood
[2016-12-14 00:26:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 113000 @ 773.42 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-12-14 00:26:32] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-12-14 00:26:34] mjones : $768 is the xbtz16 low that needs to break to rekt more
[2016-12-14 00:26:48] asdfman : I got rekt
[2016-12-14 00:26:53] asdfman : no surprise
[2016-12-14 00:26:56] mjones : it happens to almost all of us
[2016-12-14 00:27:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 25 @ 772.98
[2016-12-14 00:27:04] anonymous789 : fomo longs deserve it
[2016-12-14 00:27:08] mjones : 10x and higher you are bound to get rekt
[2016-12-14 00:27:28] asdfman : 100x doubled from yesterday, rekt today
[2016-12-14 00:27:38] anonymous789 : just like if i got liquidated at 844 for shorting, i'd have deserved
[2016-12-14 00:27:46] anonymous789 : it's a bitter pill to swallow but take it and learn
[2016-12-14 00:28:04] asdfman : have learned a lot by now.
[2016-12-14 00:28:13] asdfman : will probably never stop learning though
[2016-12-14 00:28:16] mjones : yeah. never the end of the world.
[2016-12-14 00:28:18] anonymous789 : keep learning
[2016-12-14 00:28:34] asdfman : and with that I have been outbid a good night.
[2016-12-14 00:28:48] anonymous789 : good night
[2016-12-14 00:29:09] mjones : seems MM eases up on dumps. never good for longers looking to exit
[2016-12-14 00:29:23] mjones : that's why dip catching is dangerous
[2016-12-14 00:29:41] anonymous789 : logic dictates there needs to be a good sized correction about now, people who went long at 770+ were just insane
[2016-12-14 00:29:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8000 @ 771.85
[2016-12-14 00:30:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 100 @ 774.34
[2016-12-14 00:30:28] anonymous789 : or worse those that went long at 790
[2016-12-14 00:30:55] Tetsuo : aethelios told me would hit 900$ today and 10000$ in 2017
[2016-12-14 00:30:58] Tetsuo : where is he?
[2016-12-14 00:31:33] anonymous789 : probably sleeping
[2016-12-14 00:31:38] anonymous789 : in for a rude awakening
[2016-12-14 00:32:06] anonymous789 : anyway this dump is not completely convincing yet
[2016-12-14 00:32:11] anonymous789 : so could be too soon to call the crash
[2016-12-14 00:33:02] anonymous789 : definitely don't think it's breaking 780 now until at least some significant retracement though
[2016-12-14 00:34:43] Tetsuo : swap at discount
[2016-12-14 00:35:35] mjones : damn eth
[2016-12-14 00:42:25] Velancry : if we go below 5313 CNY its definitely gonna crash.
[2016-12-14 00:43:40] sleger : we havent seen jung1 in a while
[2016-12-14 00:43:43] sleger : it's great
[2016-12-14 00:44:18] miramm1115 : I guess he retired to Hawaii with his alts profits
[2016-12-14 00:45:53] sleger : something like that, maybe haiti
[2016-12-14 00:46:07] Velancry : he went to Africa and got hit by ebola
[2016-12-14 00:46:50] mjones : btc dip buyers rejoicing at the sight of cheap coins and buying them all up
[2016-12-14 00:49:23] shiroe : sooner or later, 5555 will be broken and straight to 7000.
[2016-12-14 00:50:17] mjones : yup
[2016-12-14 00:50:45] mjones : pump 600 CNY. sideways a bit. pump 1000 cny. then boom at 7000 CNY and almost to the ath at 7995
[2016-12-14 00:51:10] orly : yup
[2016-12-14 00:51:21] shiroe : Then all break loose to 10k CNY then dump to 6k again.
[2016-12-14 00:51:21] orly : in the mean time, please keep the funding rate negative guys ;)
[2016-12-14 00:54:48] rms : 4h looks good to me
[2016-12-14 00:56:24] keith123 : hi
[2016-12-14 00:56:35] keith123 : when will bitmex update the XBTJPY index reference?
[2016-12-14 00:57:11] sleger : very soon
[2016-12-14 00:57:26] keith123 : sleger: how was your margin trades with quine yesterday
[2016-12-14 00:57:36] sleger : fine i am long here
[2016-12-14 00:57:46] keith123 : they reverted my trades
[2016-12-14 00:57:58] keith123 : but simply by taking away the profit i earned
[2016-12-14 00:58:00] sleger : not here though
[2016-12-14 00:58:08] sleger : ?
[2016-12-14 00:58:15] keith123 : ya, but the money earned here is small
[2016-12-14 00:58:23] keith123 : the orderbook was not thick
[2016-12-14 00:58:25] sleger : i withdrew all my coins from quoine 2 days ago
[2016-12-14 00:58:28] keith123 : the ones on quine were
[2016-12-14 00:58:52] keith123 : did you earn a lot from their market manipulation?
[2016-12-14 00:58:55] mjones : etc about to hit a new recent low
[2016-12-14 00:59:10] keith123 : or did they revert your trades
[2016-12-14 00:59:21] sleger : i deposit 15 and withdrew 17 three days later
[2016-12-14 00:59:31] sleger : i did not trade during the spike
[2016-12-14 00:59:39] keith123 : i see
[2016-12-14 00:59:44] keith123 : that's not much then
[2016-12-14 00:59:50] keith123 : they could take it
[2016-12-14 01:00:11] sleger : they had no reason to take my gains away since i did not benefit from any technical issue
[2016-12-14 01:00:22] keith123 : cool
[2016-12-14 01:00:27] sleger : i shorted btcjpy there, it went down, i bought back and withdrew everything
[2016-12-14 01:00:39] sleger : because its too shady
[2016-12-14 01:00:59] mjones : damn xmr and eth both did a pump and dump
[2016-12-14 01:01:09] keith123 : eth?
[2016-12-14 01:01:22] sleger : yes, the etc fork
[2016-12-14 01:01:22] mjones : https://cryptowat.ch/poloniex/ethbtc/5m
[2016-12-14 01:01:26] keith123 : i thought it's just another normal they for eth
[2016-12-14 01:01:34] keith123 : day
[2016-12-14 01:01:47] keith123 : not that bad
[2016-12-14 01:03:16] keith123 : have a nice day everyone
[2016-12-14 01:03:32] keith123 : @Ben, please send email out when you figure out the composite index for JPY
[2016-12-14 01:03:50] keith123 : leaving now - thanks again
[2016-12-14 01:06:42] BitMEX_Greg : keith123: Hi, we are tentatively thinking equal weights between Bitflyer and Quoine. Nothing confirmed yet
[2016-12-14 01:07:17] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: but you cant do that for contracts open on quoine index before they settle
[2016-12-14 01:07:55] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Right, so perhaps for new contracts. Need to check with the guys
[2016-12-14 01:08:32] orly : guys halp please
[2016-12-14 01:08:58] BitMEX_Greg : orly: Hi can I help?
[2016-12-14 01:09:00] orly : can't submit a limit long, because it says the order price is below the liquidation price of current long
[2016-12-14 01:11:18] arbitrage001 : good morning
[2016-12-14 01:11:54] sleger : orly: what else do you need to know ?
[2016-12-14 01:12:04] sleger : it's quite explicit
[2016-12-14 01:12:27] orly : well, i have a limit long in the books between the current long and the one i'm trying to submit, and if that got filled, my liq price would go lower, which means the one i'm trying to submit now would simply grow my position again
[2016-12-14 01:12:48] orly : or what am i missing?
[2016-12-14 01:12:53] sleger : your liq price wouldnt go lower
[2016-12-14 01:13:27] sleger : it's telling you that if the price reaches the price of your limit order you would be rekt, so it doesnt let you submit it
[2016-12-14 01:14:19] sleger : or maybe are you on isolate margin ?
[2016-12-14 01:14:31] orly : i am
[2016-12-14 01:14:47] arbitrage001 : man
[2016-12-14 01:14:50] orly : and when my long inbetween gets filled it should add more argin, shouldn't it?
[2016-12-14 01:14:51] arbitrage001 : the 20k bid
[2016-12-14 01:15:07] arbitrage001 : is it bot or someone outbidding me
[2016-12-14 01:15:11] orly : so my liq price would go lower at that point
[2016-12-14 01:15:13] sleger : ah, then im not entirely sure, but from what i've seen so far here, the system doesnt compute what would happen in between, so it ignores your order in the middle @orly
[2016-12-14 01:15:29] BitMEX_Greg : orly: You can try to change your margining to the Cross method, it is the left hand side of the leverage slider
[2016-12-14 01:15:51] orly : or, what's wrong with getting a long rekt on isolated margin, and going long again at a lower price?
[2016-12-14 01:16:02] orly : even if i had no orders inbetween
[2016-12-14 01:16:05] sleger : orly: it doesnt let you do that
[2016-12-14 01:16:28] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Greg: is it possbile to check whether an order is bot or human?
[2016-12-14 01:16:37] BitMEX_Greg : arbitrage001: I dont believe so
[2016-12-14 01:16:45] arbitrage001 : ok
[2016-12-14 01:16:46] sleger : yes you can
[2016-12-14 01:16:55] sleger : tickle it, if it laughs, it's not a robot
[2016-12-14 01:17:09] arbitrage001 : most likely bot the way it bid anyway
[2016-12-14 01:17:19] arbitrage001 : need to find a way to outsmart it
[2016-12-14 01:17:28] arbitrage001 : using 1 order to screw 20k order
[2016-12-14 01:17:30] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-12-14 01:18:06] sleger : exchanges use too many decimals given the average spread
[2016-12-14 01:18:37] orly : BitMEX_Greg: but if i switch to cross, that would use everything i have as a leverage, wouldn't it? maybe even unrealised profits from other markets?
[2016-12-14 01:19:12] sleger : unrealised no
[2016-12-14 01:19:26] sleger : everything else, including your car yes
[2016-12-14 01:22:01] orly : so really what i'm trying to do is, rather than assigning a large isolated margin upfront, i want to keep gradually expanding my long position at lower prices, while still limiting potential losses
[2016-12-14 01:23:51] sleger : i dont think you can do that with margin, but you can use stops
[2016-12-14 01:24:18] arbitrage001 : dangerous to use stop loss given what happen yesteday
[2016-12-14 01:24:19] sleger : which should be better than getting rekt anywyays
[2016-12-14 01:24:40] arbitrage001 : sleger: rekt was better yesterday
[2016-12-14 01:24:49] sleger : the 700 on Z16 ?
[2016-12-14 01:24:54] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-12-14 01:24:55] sleger : i dont know what happened there
[2016-12-14 01:25:17] sleger : did bitmex say anything ?
[2016-12-14 01:25:24] arbitrage001 : happen too fast, only j8 with bot and log saw what really happen
[2016-12-14 01:25:31] arbitrage001 : sleger: nope
[2016-12-14 01:26:32] miramm1115 : sleger: Wally said it was a cascade of stop market
[2016-12-14 01:26:55] miramm1115 : and not enough liquidity so it went all the way down
[2016-12-14 01:26:58] sleger : and the mm was gone for lunch
[2016-12-14 01:27:03] sleger : ok got it
[2016-12-14 01:27:35] sleger : you can/should a combination of stops and liq call then if you want to do that then @orly
[2016-12-14 01:27:42] orly : sleger: but if it doesn't allow me to add a limit order now below liq price, would it allow a limit order to be submitted at stop price?
[2016-12-14 01:28:27] sleger : decrease your leverage then input stops and limit where you want them to
[2016-12-14 01:29:45] orly : or i guess i could just set the stop price just below the previous order price, so only that only 1 buy order is in the books at any point
[2016-12-14 01:30:11] orly : yeah that should work, though requires some manual calculations :)
[2016-12-14 01:30:16] orly : sleger: thanks
[2016-12-14 01:30:20] sleger : but then you risk just getting stopped just after buying
[2016-12-14 01:30:29] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.9028 (vs. yesterday at 6.8934)
[2016-12-14 01:30:40] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: china is fucked
[2016-12-14 01:30:50] arbitrage001 : sell all btc
[2016-12-14 01:30:54] sleger : orly: yes it would require you to do all the calc
[2016-12-14 01:31:36] sleger : PBOJ sets USD/JPY at 115.5 and expect higher prices in next days => btc to jupiter
[2016-12-14 01:32:23] rapidtrades : not rly, JPY moves are overextended
[2016-12-14 01:32:25] arbitrage001 : sleger: they could also ban btc at the same time
[2016-12-14 01:32:38] arbitrage001 : and blame gold and btc for all their problems
[2016-12-14 01:32:42] arbitrage001 : like all the good politicians
[2016-12-14 01:51:25] l3f : haha wtf I had a buy order at 767 and it hit
[2016-12-14 01:51:34] l3f : picked up 0.3 btc from half of my short
[2016-12-14 01:51:48] l3f : arbitrage001: you still short?
[2016-12-14 01:52:02] arbitrage001 : l3f: slightly
[2016-12-14 01:52:07] l3f : same
[2016-12-14 01:52:09] arbitrage001 : yesterday short, all closed
[2016-12-14 01:52:26] arbitrage001 : the rest of my position are just synthetic usd
[2016-12-14 02:22:27] mjones : Etc rekts incoming maybe
[2016-12-14 02:28:32] REKT : **TEST** 给你一个超大么么哒 **TEST**
[2016-12-14 02:28:52] sleger : REKT: wrong chat dummy
[2016-12-14 02:41:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10 @ 777.13
[2016-12-14 02:48:46] KingTuna : I love the dumps like earlier... Everyone thought it was the end LOL
[2016-12-14 02:48:56] KingTuna : These whales are tricky tricky
[2016-12-14 02:52:01] DangerandPlay : anyone into so-called 'scalping' with bitcoin? this fluctuation from low to high 770's seem a great way to profit...
[2016-12-14 03:13:37] l3f : $4 premium on quaterlies
[2016-12-14 03:13:39] l3f : lol
[2016-12-14 03:17:15] arbitrage001 : good long
[2016-12-14 03:17:36] arbitrage001 : hard to see premium can go lower than 4
[2016-12-14 03:17:58] arbitrage001 : short swap and long future
[2016-12-14 03:18:45] l3f : well that corrected real quick
[2016-12-14 03:19:49] arbitrage001 : of course, MM will detect that fast
[2016-12-14 03:20:07] l3f : also CNY on the move
[2016-12-14 03:21:41] l3f : this is so retarded. I'd set entry orders when it breaks out, but I can't because whales and their shitty manipulation will trigger it
[2016-12-14 03:21:59] l3f : Fuck the dophins and the whales
[2016-12-14 03:22:21] l3f : gut feel is still short
[2016-12-14 03:22:41] arbitrage001 : price will go up after funding
[2016-12-14 03:22:47] arbitrage001 : 780+
[2016-12-14 03:23:39] l3f : I'm having trouble seeing this breakout
[2016-12-14 03:23:56] arbitrage001 : need to compare price from other exchanges
[2016-12-14 03:24:04] arbitrage001 : i see bitfinex price carry more weight
[2016-12-14 03:24:17] arbitrage001 : but index here only take stamp and okc
[2016-12-14 03:24:38] arbitrage001 : that kind of distort price and funding
[2016-12-14 03:25:03] l3f : people are going long to eat up that funding interest?
[2016-12-14 03:25:31] arbitrage001 : for this funding period, short pay
[2016-12-14 03:25:43] l3f : well yeah
[2016-12-14 03:25:51] l3f : I'm just questioning how many people would do it
[2016-12-14 03:25:59] arbitrage001 : i would
[2016-12-14 03:26:05] arbitrage001 : depend on rate
[2016-12-14 03:26:08] l3f : well I closed my short so lol
[2016-12-14 03:26:15] l3f : i guess that pushes it up
[2016-12-14 03:26:36] arbitrage001 : damn ,finex dropping
[2016-12-14 03:26:41] arbitrage001 : guess i am wrong
[2016-12-14 03:26:49] arbitrage001 : should have pay funding lol
[2016-12-14 03:27:22] l3f : This is fucking stupid, entry orders can't safe
[2016-12-14 03:27:28] l3f : nothing is safe
[2016-12-14 03:27:32] arbitrage001 : anyway, not a good idea to short when premium is this low
[2016-12-14 03:32:29] l3f : I'd long but this is top
[2016-12-14 03:32:32] l3f : and I never long at top
[2016-12-14 03:33:10] l3f : might lay some buys at 775
[2016-12-14 03:38:00] l3f : Fuck it
[2016-12-14 03:38:01] l3f : keep shorting
[2016-12-14 03:53:41] shiroe : Push the top!
[2016-12-14 04:40:57] Surprise : Who is taking the otherside of our trades
[2016-12-14 04:46:08] BitMEX_Wally : Surprise: All trades on BitMEX are between users. You can place a Limit Order into the order book.
[2016-12-14 04:55:29] Surprise : Good so bitmex doesnt have its own market maker
[2016-12-14 06:56:52] REKT : **TEST**
[2016-12-14 06:56:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCZ16`: buy 250000 @ 5657.2 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-12-14 06:59:12] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: Hey Wally! Could you please check how the REKT message looks in Chinese?
[2016-12-14 06:59:49] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCZ16`: sell 110000 @ 5433.9 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-12-14 06:59:49] REKT : **TEST**
[2016-12-14 07:00:11] thomaskikansha : looks so good in Chinese LOLOL
[2016-12-14 07:00:29] BitMEX_Arthur : micmix: looks good
[2016-12-14 07:00:40] BitMEX_Arthur : the chinese our guys say it sounds correct
[2016-12-14 07:02:51] micmix : BitMEX_Arthur: yeah, Jinming translated for me. REKT is going to post to Chinese channel as well now. please keep an eye on it and let me know if anything wrong
[2016-12-14 07:03:29] BitMEX_Wally : :shipit:
[2016-12-14 07:10:27] BitMEX_Arthur : micmix: Great we love this bot
[2016-12-14 07:10:52] micmix : BitMEX_Arthur: thanks!
[2016-12-14 07:22:55] emirate : what is 4%margin
[2016-12-14 07:23:07] mjones : Zec dumping
[2016-12-14 07:29:11] BitMEX_Wally : emirate: Depends on the context. 4% margin used means that 4% of your account balance is being used in an open position
[2016-12-14 07:30:24] emirate : ok
[2016-12-14 07:30:41] KingTuna : BitMEX_Wally: Is there a simple way I can figure out what my liquidation price would be if I were to transfer more funds over?
[2016-12-14 07:31:20] BitMEX_Wally : KingTuna: we are working on launching a better calculator for this
[2016-12-14 07:31:51] KingTuna : BitMEX_Wally: Ok... I am afraid by the time this is launched, there may be a $300 dump lol
[2016-12-14 07:32:05] KingTuna : And I'd be liquidated, because I wasn't able to work this out myself
[2016-12-14 07:32:05] BitMEX_Wally : KingTuna: But if you have a position of value 1 XBT and you move 0.10 XBT more margin into it then in general your liquidation price will be 10% further away
[2016-12-14 07:32:21] emirate : bitcoin/yuan is context i trading
[2016-12-14 07:32:47] KingTuna : BitMEX_Wally: Right makes sense , thanks
[2016-12-14 07:33:27] emirate : what is the return of contract after close of the market of 4%margin
[2016-12-14 07:36:50] rapidtrades : so japan is on bitflyer now?
[2016-12-14 07:38:40] BitMEX_Wally : emirate: The return, or PNL, depends on your entry price and exit price. The amount of margin or leverage you use does not matter
[2016-12-14 08:37:45] l3f : rapidtrades: tell me about the ZEC!
[2016-12-14 08:37:57] l3f : why does it go down?
[2016-12-14 08:49:08] rapidtrades : PBOC sells net CNY 382.7 bln in November
[2016-12-14 08:50:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 50 @ 0.010680
[2016-12-14 09:48:37] hazir : hey, what happens to the ZEC contract on 30 DEC? dose it roll voer to the next one?
[2016-12-14 09:48:48] hazir : or you actually get ZECs? what if you're short?
[2016-12-14 09:48:49] hazir : thank you!!!
[2016-12-14 09:50:23] BitMEX_Wally : hazir: All positions are closed at the settlement price which will be the underlying ZEC/XBT price on the reference exchange
[2016-12-14 09:51:01] BitMEX_Wally : On Friday we will be listing `ZECH17` so you can roll to that if you want
[2016-12-14 09:54:41] hazir : coolz
[2016-12-14 10:02:31] arbitrage001 : good lord
[2016-12-14 10:02:36] arbitrage001 : raining everyday
[2016-12-14 10:02:45] arbitrage001 : stucked at home
[2016-12-14 10:03:33] rms : is the next zec contract still 2x leverage?
[2016-12-14 10:03:49] arbitrage001 : rms: the digest said 5x
[2016-12-14 10:03:54] rms : thx
[2016-12-14 10:07:17] BitMEX_Wally : Yes we will increase `ZECZ16` to 5x on Friday too
[2016-12-14 10:16:53] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-12-14 10:18:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: buy 250 @ 0.001296
[2016-12-14 10:23:20] esuvari : wow, xbtz16 premium is less than 2 dollars
[2016-12-14 10:23:28] esuvari : that's a first
[2016-12-14 10:31:41] SWAG : CHINA
[2016-12-14 10:32:35] PARAFFIN : SWAG: ?
[2016-12-14 10:32:51] rapidtrades : china?
[2016-12-14 10:34:23] rapidtrades : esuvari: not rly, it's gonna be at discount soon
[2016-12-14 10:35:09] l3f : the only person posting in the chinese chat is the rekt bot
[2016-12-14 10:36:13] PARAFFIN : short ETC?
[2016-12-14 10:36:45] l3f : PARAFFIN: ask rapidpains first
[2016-12-14 10:37:27] l3f : is everyone and their mom shorting now?
[2016-12-14 10:37:35] l3f : like plz guys, stop copying me
[2016-12-14 10:38:08] PARAFFIN : l3f: what are you shorting?
[2016-12-14 10:38:20] PARAFFIN : l3f: who is rapidpains
[2016-12-14 10:39:01] l3f : XBT
[2016-12-14 10:39:16] PARAFFIN : l3f: whats the target
[2016-12-14 10:39:20] l3f : PARAFFIN: zero
[2016-12-14 10:39:28] PARAFFIN : wh
[2016-12-14 10:39:29] PARAFFIN : why
[2016-12-14 10:39:42] l3f : no reason
[2016-12-14 11:14:17] TB : Limbo, how low can ou go
[2016-12-14 11:36:31] SWAG : is it going to spike?
[2016-12-14 11:41:31] PARAFFIN : SWAG: chine is on 5300 so..
[2016-12-14 11:42:13] PARAFFIN : dumping
[2016-12-14 11:46:20] anonymous789 : Sigh.... Still sitting here at 777 bulls need to give up...
[2016-12-14 11:46:43] PARAFFIN : anonymous789: you short?
[2016-12-14 11:46:57] anonymous789 : Been short 3 weeks
[2016-12-14 11:47:09] anonymous789 : Boring as f_uck
[2016-12-14 11:47:24] PARAFFIN : anonymous789: what leverage?
[2016-12-14 11:47:32] anonymous789 : 10
[2016-12-14 11:47:59] PARAFFIN : anonymous789: so youre sure it will dump but everyone is saying it will go up
[2016-12-14 11:48:26] anonymous789 : I'm pretty confident it will correct
[2016-12-14 11:48:57] anonymous789 : I love it when everyone says one thing almost certainly the opposite happens
[2016-12-14 11:49:24] KyllingLolsson : Im hoping 4 correction too
[2016-12-14 11:50:03] KyllingLolsson : Overheated market
[2016-12-14 11:51:36] anonymous789 : People are buying in and hoping for ATH
[2016-12-14 11:51:51] anonymous789 : It won't happen yet
[2016-12-14 11:52:25] PARAFFIN : its 900 from '13 right?
[2016-12-14 11:53:09] mjones : Eth dumping
[2016-12-14 11:53:22] PARAFFIN : in this year btc grew too fast, i made a nice income. now its much slower
[2016-12-14 11:53:53] PARAFFIN : and also its harder to say where it will go xD
[2016-12-14 12:04:01] imperial : Good day all. I am new here. I have been trading for some days now. I buy at limit and sell when the price is high so i can have profit. But since i started trading my available balance has been same. No loss no gain. Can somebody please help me.
[2016-12-14 12:09:47] TB : imperial: How about total, did that increase
[2016-12-14 12:10:09] imperial : No
[2016-12-14 12:10:18] KingTuna : hmmm Im wondering if BTC is about to have a solid sell-off... Sort of stagnant
[2016-12-14 12:10:45] TB : imperial: Pull your account history and compare fees to your expected profit
[2016-12-14 12:10:45] BitMEX_Wally : imperial: You can see the RealisedPNL transactions in your wallet history: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-12-14 12:10:46] KingTuna : Like a decent $100 dump
[2016-12-14 12:12:18] KingTuna : Does anyone have a technical view
[2016-12-14 12:13:13] rapidtrades : btc is so dumb right now
[2016-12-14 12:14:31] rapidtrades : new quaterlies this Friday?
[2016-12-14 12:14:55] BitMEX_Wally : imperial: It looks like your position size is only 0.0064234 XBT so the profit from it is very small
[2016-12-14 12:15:25] l3f : anonymous789: still there?
[2016-12-14 12:15:29] l3f : I've closed two shorts already
[2016-12-14 12:15:32] l3f : on my third one now
[2016-12-14 12:18:03] imperial : BitMEX_Wally: I have been trading for somedays and my profit is still that low
[2016-12-14 12:20:09] l3f : imperial: maybe you should get a better strat
[2016-12-14 12:20:20] BitMEX_Wally : imperial: It's not low relative to your position size
[2016-12-14 12:22:02] anonymous789 : l3f: nice :)
[2016-12-14 12:22:38] l3f : anonymous789: this is the most uncertain one so far
[2016-12-14 12:24:28] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: when is jpy switching back to quoine ?
[2016-12-14 12:29:33] BitMEX_Wally : We'll send out an announcement tomorrow
[2016-12-14 12:30:33] sleger : but contracts that were open thinking they would settle on quoine (like JZ16) HAVE to settle on quoine, not on some new mix
[2016-12-14 12:48:41] mjones : Wow zec
[2016-12-14 12:57:46] XBT_Saver : How come the margin (cross) is changing with the unrealised profit? does it add the unrealised profit to the margin?
[2016-12-14 13:01:10] BitMEX_Wally : XBT_Saver: Yes, unrealised profit is part of the position margin, if we took it out of the position then your liquidation price would change
[2016-12-14 13:03:29] XBT_Saver : I don't understand, do you mean the liquidation price would go further away from my entry price?
[2016-12-14 13:04:57] BitMEX_Wally : It would become nearer
[2016-12-14 13:05:55] BitMEX_Wally : Basically if unrealised profit was not included in the position margin, but was instead taken out, then if the price retraced then you would not have the margin to cover the losses so therefore you would be liquidated
[2016-12-14 13:08:10] XBT_Saver : If I go long on the swap and short the same amount on the XBTZ16 instrument for example, and then the market crashes, one position is in profit and one is at a loss, so would the liquidation price of the long position at a loss be affected by the unrealised of the short?
[2016-12-14 13:08:51] BitMEX_Wally : No, positions are isolated from each other
[2016-12-14 13:09:09] BitMEX_Wally : The liquidation price is determined by the leverage chosen, or if in cross margin then the available balance
[2016-12-14 13:12:36] XBT_Saver : yes but if the unrealised profit from the short is being added to the margin requirement of that position, then the available balance is reduced and therefore affects the long position's liquidation price. Or is that incorrect?
[2016-12-14 13:21:41] XBT_Saver : This is with both positions with cross margin.
[2016-12-14 13:26:03] BitMEX_Wally : The unrealised profit is included in the margin balance, and then taken out via position margin so the available margin stays the same
[2016-12-14 13:35:23] cookielito : are there any options to change the displayed cost basis calculation method?
[2016-12-14 13:35:39] cookielito : it seems to be first in first out
[2016-12-14 13:37:35] BitMEX_Wally : cookielito: It is average cost
[2016-12-14 13:37:57] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: you cannot change the settlement index of a live contract.
[2016-12-14 13:38:19] sleger : JZ16 will settle on quoine, given that there is no disruption going on.
[2016-12-14 13:39:07] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: We will announce when we plan to return to Quoine tomorrow
[2016-12-14 13:39:31] sleger : whatever the announcement says, I am talking about the settlement price of contracts that were traded knowing it would settle on quoine
[2016-12-14 13:39:51] sleger : its like saying gold futures will settle on average of silver and gold price.
[2016-12-14 13:41:08] BitMEX_Wally : Understood
[2016-12-14 13:41:44] sleger : if the prices were in line, i think nobody would really care, but there is a $4 premium on quoine
[2016-12-14 13:41:52] sleger : and on average there is a >0 premium
[2016-12-14 13:57:29] rapidtrades : yuan sharply higher today
[2016-12-14 13:58:41] mjones : btc here we go
[2016-12-14 14:21:05] Surprise : can someone explains to me dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2016-12-14 14:21:24] bingbongfly : mjones: btc isnt mooving? u tricked me :p
[2016-12-14 14:21:58] mjones : it broke down to 5425 CNY but then stopped and went back up
[2016-12-14 14:22:12] BitMEX_Wally : Surprise: Dynamic Profit Equalisation no longer exists, where are you seeing it?
[2016-12-14 14:23:06] Surprise : in one of the forums someone was complaining june 2016
[2016-12-14 14:26:44] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, we have replaced it with ADL: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-12-14 14:31:46] Surprise : thanks i think i understand it
[2016-12-14 14:33:12] bingbongfly : mjones: ah okey, im not a 1 minute chart guy
[2016-12-14 14:33:19] bingbongfly : but I see it now
[2016-12-14 14:41:02] l3f : XBT used confuse ray. It's super effective.
[2016-12-14 14:41:16] l3f : Traders hurt themselves in their confusion.
[2016-12-14 14:43:07] l3f : BitMEX_Wally: If I had two stops and one of them has "close" on it, if the stop with "close" hits, will it remove the other stop?
[2016-12-14 14:43:25] l3f : as in if my short gets stopped out will it delete my entry order for my long
[2016-12-14 14:46:42] BitMEX_Wally : l3f: Yes, if you have "Close on Trigger" chosen for the order then all other orders are canceled when the stop is triggered
[2016-12-14 14:56:19] mjones : ah bingbongfly. i'm a 1 minute man
[2016-12-14 15:04:14] mjones : wtf xbtz16
[2016-12-14 15:04:29] mjones : no premium now and someone put up a huge wall
[2016-12-14 15:04:51] mjones : $1.70 higher
[2016-12-14 15:09:55] mutato : they are gonna get dumped on lol
[2016-12-14 15:20:50] aethlios : fed in 3 and 1/2 hours.
[2016-12-14 15:22:04] rapidtrades : aethlios: hey coinsbank spreads bit tighter huh? not sure how i feel about that
[2016-12-14 15:22:43] rapidtrades : eur premium down too
[2016-12-14 15:24:50] aethlios : it is not for trading, just sell once or twice the months expenses in a favorable exit price.
[2016-12-14 15:29:43] rapidtrades : makes sense
[2016-12-14 15:30:13] rapidtrades : Dollar still on the back foot pre-FOMCc
[2016-12-14 15:30:44] rapidtrades : aethlios: thoughts on Fed? u got the ECB right :)
[2016-12-14 15:31:04] sleger : there is no doubt on fed result
[2016-12-14 15:31:56] rapidtrades : asking about the market reaction yo @sleger
[2016-12-14 15:32:10] sleger : everything up
[2016-12-14 15:32:16] aethlios : 10 year is up 2.45% now, fed needs to follow the market, the important is the real interest rates.
[2016-12-14 15:33:18] rapidtrades : so what happens to USD and bitcoin?
[2016-12-14 15:33:20] bingbongfly : mjones: good call mate, seems like btc is in fact dropping
[2016-12-14 15:33:34] sleger : nothing happens to bitcoin
[2016-12-14 15:33:42] mjones : hasnt broken the 5401 CNY low yet. so this could just be another trap
[2016-12-14 15:33:49] bingbongfly : mjones: true
[2016-12-14 15:35:11] aethlios : btc either waits for the fed, or for the new 3month contracts to buy in low premium, so they pump then and gain from the premium also.
[2016-12-14 15:35:16] mjones : seems mr. whale is closing out their short and will wait for new quarterly
[2016-12-14 15:35:37] KyllingLolsson : It will drop in a couple of days, but in a couple of weeks, up again
[2016-12-14 15:35:55] rapidtrades : maybe...if it drops 20% first
[2016-12-14 15:38:46] KyllingLolsson : The fundamentals of btc looks bright, i Think 1 btc could cost 7000 dollars in, like 5 years?
[2016-12-14 15:39:01] esuvari : mjones: what short? if he didn't cover during the downspike to 700, that's some stupid whale
[2016-12-14 15:39:36] mjones : the spike to $700 was barely any contracts. i added it up and it was only 60,000 contracts or so between $700 and $750
[2016-12-14 15:39:56] mjones : xbtz16 whale put up their 3rd large wall
[2016-12-14 15:40:25] aethlios : us has low unemployment now, with trump cutting trade deficit with china, making peace with russia and bringing jobs back, repatriate billions from corporate capital abroad with low tax, it will put presure up to inflation and higher wages, this will increase domestic demand. so maybe trump means higher inflation and higher nominal rates.
[2016-12-14 15:41:10] mjones : new low in china for btc
[2016-12-14 15:41:26] esuvari : this might be someone with insider info who knows of an upcoming pump, soon
[2016-12-14 15:41:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 50 @ 772.93
[2016-12-14 15:41:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2500 @ 773.32
[2016-12-14 15:41:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 20209 @ 773.21
[2016-12-14 15:41:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 40000 @ 772.67
[2016-12-14 15:41:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 774.02
[2016-12-14 15:41:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 13532 @ 772.20
[2016-12-14 15:41:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: sell 20 @ 776.14
[2016-12-14 15:41:28] REKT : Abandon the ship!
[2016-12-14 15:41:42] Tetsuo : So long suckers
[2016-12-14 15:41:50] thomaskikansha : DOOM
[2016-12-14 15:42:45] m3s : lol sold 3 mins ago nice
[2016-12-14 15:43:11] Tetsuo : See you in 4 -5 weeks , hopefully 500$ will hold until i'm back
[2016-12-14 15:43:13] Tetsuo : Bye
[2016-12-14 15:43:27] m3s : we will go 680 at the lowest imo
[2016-12-14 15:44:13] KyllingLolsson : Agree with tetsuo
[2016-12-14 15:44:47] mjones : yeah. all the greater fool suckers bought in thinking moon. when we're at the moon right now. see you all back on earth
[2016-12-14 15:46:54] justinlooking : faggots
[2016-12-14 15:47:20] mjones : we are all just a bundle of sticks eh
[2016-12-14 15:47:52] mjones : etc almost at a new high
[2016-12-14 15:48:13] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/WNCCC4rW/
[2016-12-14 15:48:22] aethlios : okcoin 3month on the edge.
[2016-12-14 15:48:49] XBT_Saver : is the chap who put up that large buy order on XBTZ16 in the trollbox?
[2016-12-14 15:49:00] mjones : about 40 hours till the new quarterly starts. exciting times
[2016-12-14 15:49:39] mjones : lol that was about 350,000 contracts sold into around $780
[2016-12-14 15:53:27] l3f : So I go watch some porn and come back
[2016-12-14 15:53:30] l3f : and I've made some cash