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[2016-12-12 15:14:57] laisee : yay. python keeps most people out of trou
[2016-12-12 15:15:45] laisee : anonymous789: python is good for people who will never be rea
[2016-12-12 15:15:55] anonymous789 : so i started java during 1.4, before generics etc and everytime there is an iteration, although it comes with the territory being a developer, it's a pain in the ass to learn new things
[2016-12-12 15:16:06] anonymous789 : C# is a f-ucking nightmare for people that just want to earn money
[2016-12-12 15:16:40] anonymous789 : being a c# developer means you have what's called lower 'knowledge capital'
[2016-12-12 15:16:41] laisee : anonymous789: actually, c-s is great for building stuff that makes lots of moolah
[2016-12-12 15:16:50] anonymous789 : so is java..
[2016-12-12 15:17:12] laisee : sure, it just takes an extra million lines of code ;-)
[2016-12-12 15:17:51] anonymous789 : laisee: well that's not entirely true, some stuff does make the line count less, but learning that stuff and putting that stuff into practice is still a pain in the ass
[2016-12-12 15:18:02] anonymous789 : like delegate methods for example, why bother
[2016-12-12 15:18:33] laisee : you don't like functional stuff, it seems
[2016-12-12 15:18:56] anonymous789 : well the languages were designed to not be functional inherently
[2016-12-12 15:19:04] anonymous789 : they were designed to be object oriented
[2016-12-12 15:19:11] anonymous789 : if you want that level of complexity, i'd say go to C++
[2016-12-12 15:19:18] anonymous789 : but certainly i'd never bother with c#
[2016-12-12 15:19:22] sleger : c++ is great too
[2016-12-12 15:19:32] anonymous789 : sleger: i won't argue that
[2016-12-12 15:19:43] sleger : at least your program doesnt stop for 1 second to clean its messed up memory
[2016-12-12 15:20:23] anonymous789 : sleger: actually, they say the java VM is so optimised that it runs code faster than if you wrote your own memory handling in C++ for a like-for-like program
[2016-12-12 15:20:40] anonymous789 : that certainly used to be the case back in the day
[2016-12-12 15:20:43] anonymous789 : <java 1.6
[2016-12-12 15:20:44] sleger : for some particular examples maybe it is true, but not in general
[2016-12-12 15:20:58] anonymous789 : not true, it's the inverse of that
[2016-12-12 15:21:12] anonymous789 : in general, java is faster, for particular examples C++ is faster
[2016-12-12 15:21:17] sleger : if you write shitty c++ code you can make it worse than java
[2016-12-12 15:21:21] anonymous789 : yes
[2016-12-12 15:21:36] anonymous789 : that's what most devs do though, most devs are not professors
[2016-12-12 15:21:37] sleger : if you write shitty code then dont use c++
[2016-12-12 15:21:40] sleger : use java
[2016-12-12 15:21:45] laisee : pre-optimized code can be a bad thing, too
[2016-12-12 15:21:52] anonymous789 : doesn't matter, even if you write good code in c++ it might not be 'great' code
[2016-12-12 15:22:17] anonymous789 : java vm makes it run almost great in most instances
[2016-12-12 15:22:22] sleger : so if i need performance i use c++, otherwise i use python
[2016-12-12 15:23:14] anonymous789 : sleger, write 2 data structures, one in C++ and one Java, exactly the same
[2016-12-12 15:23:19] anonymous789 : then use a profiler
[2016-12-12 15:23:44] anonymous789 : you tell me which one performs better through the profiler
[2016-12-12 15:24:02] laisee : and c++ will be faster
[2016-12-12 15:24:10] sleger : a structure is not a program, it doesnt do anything by itself so not sure what i would be running
[2016-12-12 15:24:29] anonymous789 : well that's what i mean
[2016-12-12 15:24:33] sleger : and i wouldnt use a profiler to measure performance, but do some operation on it and time it
[2016-12-12 15:24:38] sleger : and c++ will be faster
[2016-12-12 15:24:43] anonymous789 : you would obviously create a small program to run the data structure you implemented yourself
[2016-12-12 15:25:12] anonymous789 : sleger: if you don't deal with your memory handling perfectly, you'll find the VM optimised the shit out of it and beat your times
[2016-12-12 15:25:32] anonymous789 : there's many examples of this if you google it
[2016-12-12 15:26:15] sleger : i am not arguing with that, if you write shitty c++ code on purpose you can make it slower than java
[2016-12-12 15:26:26] sleger : but that is a stupid way of comparing performance
[2016-12-12 15:26:37] anonymous789 : no i'm not saying write shitty c++ code, im saying write it to the best of your ability in both
[2016-12-12 15:26:58] laisee : good c++ beast good java easily.
[2016-12-12 15:27:37] sleger : anonymous789: look, recent comparison https://blog.famzah.net/2016/09/10/cpp-vs-python-vs-php-vs-java-vs-others-performance-benchmark-2016-q3/
[2016-12-12 15:28:42] anonymous789 : so what about with -O2 optimisation
[2016-12-12 15:28:50] anonymous789 : without*
[2016-12-12 15:29:00] sleger : why would you remove compiler optimization
[2016-12-12 15:29:12] anonymous789 : because we're comparing like-for-like right
[2016-12-12 15:29:13] vincent : co ai la nguoi viet nam khong
[2016-12-12 15:29:31] sleger : optimize your java as much as you want
[2016-12-12 15:29:31] hauruck : is it possible to lend out btc @bitmex, margin funding/lending?
[2016-12-12 15:29:44] sleger : but dont slow down c++ on purpose
[2016-12-12 15:29:47] laisee : no, but u can donate
[2016-12-12 15:30:54] hauruck : ok thanks
[2016-12-12 15:30:56] anonymous789 : anyway i'm not trying to convince you to use java over c++, both great languages, both better than C#
[2016-12-12 15:31:01] sleger : i'm sorry but there is no doubt that java is slower than c++, any good developer (even java ones) will tell you that
[2016-12-12 15:31:03] anonymous789 : that's the point
[2016-12-12 15:31:14] anonymous789 : sleger: that's just not true anymore
[2016-12-12 15:31:22] anonymous789 : but each to their own anyway
[2016-12-12 15:31:23] sleger : well you're changing your point, but c++ is faster than java, by design
[2016-12-12 15:31:46] anonymous789 : sleger: it gives you more freedom, that doesn't make it faster by desgin
[2016-12-12 15:31:47] anonymous789 : design*
[2016-12-12 15:31:50] Rado : there is no even debate about that
[2016-12-12 15:31:54] Rado : it is faster
[2016-12-12 15:31:56] sleger : yes it does, sorry
[2016-12-12 15:32:46] sleger : and if you used the intel compiler on a high perf intel cpu, you can make it much faster than java (more than this perf comparison shows)
[2016-12-12 15:32:47] anonymous789 : lol okay i've done quite a lot of research on this, stubbournness will be stubbourness
[2016-12-12 15:32:56] sleger : indeed it will
[2016-12-12 15:33:38] brouk : as a developer im with sleger on this, java is a mess compared to c++
[2016-12-12 15:33:54] orly : you can probably optimize c++ to run faster than java in most cases, but in the process you make it signifcantly less readable to humans
[2016-12-12 15:34:23] orly : the jvm on the other hand will JIT compile your code after a few iterations, profile continously, inline stuff, optimize in other ways
[2016-12-12 15:34:32] laisee : ... ability to maintain code is important. which is why J2EE/Spring and ll that clunky stuff are not great at all IMHO
[2016-12-12 15:34:35] orly : and none of that hurts the source readability
[2016-12-12 15:34:56] anonymous789 : laisee: C# is inherently ridiculously clunky, can't even be compared to java
[2016-12-12 15:35:09] anonymous789 : laisee: spring etc are just frameworks. you don't have to use them...
[2016-12-12 15:35:25] Rado : probability of fed rate hike for the next 10 meetings is 100%
[2016-12-12 15:35:29] Rado : what a bullshit
[2016-12-12 15:35:40] anonymous789 : Rado: they won't hike
[2016-12-12 15:36:07] Rado : that is what I think as well
[2016-12-12 15:36:10] laisee : orly: JVM and java are good for helping people who don't know how to code optimized apps
[2016-12-12 15:36:14] Rado : or maybe they will do one hike and done
[2016-12-12 15:36:31] anonymous789 : laisee: most people don't = number 1 most used language in the world...
[2016-12-12 15:37:35] orly : laisee: in most use-cases, people can live with say 30% less performance and stop the world GC pauses, in exchange for not worrying about optimizing manually at all
[2016-12-12 15:38:22] laisee : exactly. its "used" by people who don;t really know how hardware or memeory work
[2016-12-12 15:38:53] anonymous789 : laisee: so is c# though...
[2016-12-12 15:39:06] orly : or maybe they know, but they don't want to worry about it because it's just not worth it
[2016-12-12 15:39:16] anonymous789 : the c# and java dev demographic is the same, just that c# is more unnecessarily bloated with functionality
[2016-12-12 15:39:23] laisee : orly: sadly, true
[2016-12-12 15:39:59] anonymous789 : time is money and java makes things easier and quicker to implement than c++ and c#
[2016-12-12 15:40:36] anonymous789 : and requires less constant knowledge updating, although there are updates that add significant amounts of features to the language, it's not on the scale of c#
[2016-12-12 15:40:56] Rado : can you guys discuss something not so boring
[2016-12-12 15:40:57] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-12 15:41:00] anonymous789 : meanwhile i've still not been liquidated
[2016-12-12 15:41:17] brouk : so what is your favorite food?
[2016-12-12 15:41:40] brouk : mine is roast beef with grilled vegetables
[2016-12-12 15:41:43] anonymous789 : i'd prefer not to eat if that were possible
[2016-12-12 15:41:53] laisee : ... mst be the bloated kdb code doing some memory management b4 it wipes u out
[2016-12-12 15:42:20] sleger : lol
[2016-12-12 15:42:43] anonymous789 : i wanna see some longs get REKT, that will be fun
[2016-12-12 15:42:50] anonymous789 : especially the FOMO ones that joined today
[2016-12-12 15:46:06] thiago : we have 425 bots online?
[2016-12-12 15:46:08] anonymous789 : anyone ever wonder what would happen if in say 5-10 years crypto just doesn't work, and never gets mainstream adoption?
[2016-12-12 15:46:10] Rado : anonymous789: it will be fun to see some shorts get REKT as well
[2016-12-12 15:46:27] anonymous789 : Rado: fomo longs getting rekt is more fun, because they were idiots
[2016-12-12 15:46:35] Rado : thiago: these are connections that use API key
[2016-12-12 15:46:41] Rado : they don't have to be "bots"
[2016-12-12 15:46:59] Rado : you can trade manually, but if you are connected with the API key it counts as a bot
[2016-12-12 15:47:25] Rado : anonymous789: not too many of these here I think
[2016-12-12 15:47:35] j8 : websocket connections only i think
[2016-12-12 15:48:04] thiago : what you can use the api for other than bots?
[2016-12-12 15:48:15] j8 : i.e. charting sites would use it
[2016-12-12 15:48:53] j8 : tradingview, cryptowat.ch both have bitmex feeds
[2016-12-12 15:49:03] sleger : recording market data would count
[2016-12-12 15:54:55] laisee : thiago: tracking rekt traders via the liquidation method call
[2016-12-12 15:59:27] thiago : thanks guys :)
[2016-12-12 16:02:38] thiago : so where i buy the fraking bot anyways
[2016-12-12 16:05:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: Buy 1 @ 0.00000882
[2016-12-12 16:12:02] CaptainDean : nice BTC push
[2016-12-12 16:13:57] Rado : thiago: what kind of bot do you need?
[2016-12-12 16:14:46] thiago : money maker machine model?
[2016-12-12 16:15:07] Rado : that's very general
[2016-12-12 16:15:17] Rado : it will cost you a lot of money
[2016-12-12 16:15:19] Rado : ;-)
[2016-12-12 16:17:04] rapidtrades : 20% correction coming
[2016-12-12 16:18:25] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: i've given up hope lol
[2016-12-12 16:19:44] anonymous789 : so, a general question, do you guys think bitcoin will ever achieve consensus on any hard fork?
[2016-12-12 16:20:04] thiago : Rado: I lost a lot of money already.. so, it would be cheaper lol
[2016-12-12 16:20:10] thiago : have
[2016-12-12 16:24:03] Rado : anonymous789: I hope there is no hard fork
[2016-12-12 16:24:39] anonymous789 : i'm talking about any hard fork ever in the future?
[2016-12-12 16:25:39] minhduc : Viet anh có tren này ko
[2016-12-12 16:26:03] Coconuter : Cheguei nos USA
[2016-12-12 16:26:12] Coconuter : Sorte q deixei meu long aberto
[2016-12-12 16:26:17] Coconuter : Kkkkkkkkk
[2016-12-12 16:26:35] thiago : !!!!!!!!!
[2016-12-12 16:26:36] thiago : bah
[2016-12-12 16:26:38] thiago : que bom
[2016-12-12 16:26:45] thiago : deve ter lucrado uma grana kkkkkk
[2016-12-12 16:26:52] thiago : tava em 100x?
[2016-12-12 16:26:57] Coconuter : Nada ta mesma coisa
[2016-12-12 16:27:07] Coconuter : Pq eu nao dei profit no ultimo high
[2016-12-12 16:27:18] Coconuter : Cara nem to viu so 15x
[2016-12-12 16:27:27] Coconuter : 100 eh muita rabeira
[2016-12-12 16:30:29] rapidtrades : BUILD A WALL
[2016-12-12 16:31:13] DangerandPlay : nessa sala somente falamos ingles, porra
[2016-12-12 16:31:16] DangerandPlay : se liga mane
[2016-12-12 16:31:18] DangerandPlay : :C
[2016-12-12 16:31:23] DangerandPlay : to brincando
[2016-12-12 16:32:37] rapidtrades : El español va a casa!
[2016-12-12 16:35:01] rapidtrades : jk continue :)
[2016-12-12 16:40:12] thiago : rapid losses is happy today lol
[2016-12-12 16:40:22] thiago : I mean, " asuhauhssuahsuah" hue hue br
[2016-12-12 17:12:40] aethlios : btc in 3 1/2 years annual inflation will be 1.73%, usd and eur have at least a 9% average inflation rate of basic money supply M0. This will be the major drive of price up, (if tech of the network is fine with no problems)
[2016-12-12 17:15:27] sleger : M0 inflation is irrelevant
[2016-12-12 17:23:51] rapidtrades : but its relevant for ZEC?
[2016-12-12 17:25:54] rapidtrades : nvm i see the comment u were replying to
[2016-12-12 17:51:12] Derreck : dat BTC pump is epic
[2016-12-12 17:52:48] thomaskikansha : $4 on perpetual swap? no way
[2016-12-12 17:53:16] thomaskikansha : just buying crazy
[2016-12-12 17:55:35] aethlios : 780 resistance if hammered, many stops above 800
[2016-12-12 17:55:47] aethlios : so shorts close now on swap
[2016-12-12 17:58:24] j8 : cheap interest next two periods
[2016-12-12 17:59:29] aethlios : btc yuan premium now 12 usd from 3 yesterday
[2016-12-12 17:59:54] rapidtrades : we're gonna dump soon
[2016-12-12 18:00:50] aethlios : daily pump candle today or tomorrow breaking resistance with 70 usd body up to 850 spot and 900 quarterly
[2016-12-12 18:01:02] rapidtrades : plz
[2016-12-12 18:01:11] rapidtrades : noone wants to hear that BS
[2016-12-12 18:01:30] Tetsuo : ^+1
[2016-12-12 18:01:45] rapidtrades : it look 25 days for bitcoin to climb $70 to here
[2016-12-12 18:01:59] rapidtrades : it's not gonna jump $70
[2016-12-12 18:02:04] sleger : btcjpy going for 100k, nothing can stop it
[2016-12-12 18:02:19] rapidtrades : yeah pretty sure it will be stoppe
[2016-12-12 18:02:22] rapidtrades : d
[2016-12-12 18:02:29] thomaskikansha : I see no real resistance above 780
[2016-12-12 18:02:33] CrazyAlfy : Has anyone looked at the leaderboard lately?
[2016-12-12 18:04:05] sleger : on nov 25th the insurance fund went up 80btc
[2016-12-12 18:04:22] sleger : was that the zec rekt ?
[2016-12-12 18:04:32] j8 : trollboxer :(
[2016-12-12 18:04:33] thomaskikansha : yes
[2016-12-12 18:04:40] aethlios : sleger: zcash whale margin call profits
[2016-12-12 18:04:52] thomaskikansha : 4.3K liquidation
[2016-12-12 18:06:49] sleger : he had a huge maintenance margin because of his position size, he got really screwed
[2016-12-12 18:07:00] sleger : but now that insurance part is tied to zec though
[2016-12-12 18:07:52] rapidtrades : i think he was responsible for the 30% discount
[2016-12-12 18:08:01] rapidtrades : he kept selling as we were going down
[2016-12-12 18:08:11] rapidtrades : prolly with his profits, greedy idiot
[2016-12-12 18:08:36] rapidtrades : wait are we talking about troll boxer?
[2016-12-12 18:10:12] sleger : himself
[2016-12-12 18:13:13] rapidtrades : WHAT
[2016-12-12 18:15:01] j8 : what
[2016-12-12 18:15:10] rapidtrades : j8: wat?
[2016-12-12 18:15:16] j8 : you started it
[2016-12-12 18:15:20] rapidtrades : I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
[2016-12-12 18:15:56] rapidtrades : smtimes i don't understant sleger speak
[2016-12-12 18:16:02] rapidtrades : can smone translate pls
[2016-12-12 18:16:35] j8 : do you know what "himself" means
[2016-12-12 18:28:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 460 @ 0.010590
[2016-12-12 18:42:07] PARAFFIN : What you think about BTC tonight? Up?
[2016-12-12 18:45:33] sleger : there isnt a single doubt about that
[2016-12-12 18:50:22] donkey : i am i degenerate gambler who knows nothing about bitcoin but looking at the chart even i can see that!
[2016-12-12 18:51:46] PARAFFIN : will it go up?
[2016-12-12 18:52:52] sleger : PARAFFIN: how many times are you going to repeat that ?
[2016-12-12 18:53:19] aethlios : if it breaks 780 then it will hit 780.01 probably
[2016-12-12 18:53:27] justinlooking : lul
[2016-12-12 18:53:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3000 @ 0.001193
[2016-12-12 18:53:52] PARAFFIN : sleger: it is already at 780
[2016-12-12 18:54:16] sleger : thanks for this great piece of info
[2016-12-12 18:54:17] aethlios : but if 770 doesn't hold then a retrace to 769.99 possible
[2016-12-12 18:55:09] aethlios : charts say a 70% chance to see a daily 70 usd up candle next 72 hours
[2016-12-12 18:56:54] PARAFFIN : I think china will have the biggest impact tonight
[2016-12-12 18:57:26] donkey : choinaaa
[2016-12-12 19:08:55] BTCDJS : Noobs always come on here and spout the same stuff. They are like toddlers who mimic adults around them and repeat what they say. STOP PRETENDING TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. ITS OBVIOUS YOU DONT.
[2016-12-12 19:09:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3000 @ 0.001203
[2016-12-12 19:10:19] BTCDJS : Yes I am a noob too. I am still learning. But I'm far enough along to be annoyed by cringy behaviour.
[2016-12-12 19:11:40] sleger : china doesnt matter anymore, it's all about japan
[2016-12-12 19:13:26] sleger : japan uses china as cheap labor, they make them mine coins then they import them for themselves
[2016-12-12 19:13:41] donkey : India is the new china
[2016-12-12 19:13:53] Tetsuo : ^noob detected
[2016-12-12 19:14:01] donkey : yep
[2016-12-12 19:14:02] asdfman : endeaaa
[2016-12-12 19:14:11] asdfman : choina
[2016-12-12 19:14:16] asdfman : merca
[2016-12-12 19:14:29] BTCDJS : Also Japan is creating insurance companies for bitcoin exchanges
[2016-12-12 19:15:00] asdfman : legality is working as intended yeh
[2016-12-12 19:17:31] BTCDJS : Japan loves bitcoin. They regard it as money
[2016-12-12 19:17:56] BTCDJS : sleger: Is japan taxing bitcoin?
[2016-12-12 19:18:38] BTCDJS : 8% sales tax
[2016-12-12 19:19:46] sleger : soon trump will tax bitcoin 35% since they come from china
[2016-12-12 19:20:09] sleger : i think the tax is only for non japanese buying in japan
[2016-12-12 19:28:00] j8 : bitflyer says this: "The purchase and sale of Bitcoin is subject to consumption tax. The displayed Bitcoin prices on bitFlyer include consumption tax."
[2016-12-12 19:30:51] j8 : don't really get what that means though.
[2016-12-12 19:31:28] imabeast : etc
[2016-12-12 19:35:16] bingbongfly : imabeast: movuing up-
[2016-12-12 19:43:56] justinlooking : aethlios: did u compute 70%? if so what is ur sauce :)
[2016-12-12 19:46:24] anonymous789 : oh i still haven't been liquidated yet?
[2016-12-12 19:48:24] TB : anonymous789: Soon
[2016-12-12 19:49:02] TB : Or at least I hope, we just consolidated
[2016-12-12 19:49:10] TB : So a pull back would rekted me
[2016-12-12 20:09:15] anonymous789 : ffs BTC do something!!
[2016-12-12 20:10:35] anonymous789 : you know if it breaks 780 with some volume, the level of indecision at these levels doesn't inspire me that we're going to the moon anytime soon
[2016-12-12 20:11:03] anonymous789 : i reckon we break the 780, sucker a whole bunch of fomo and whales dump to shit
[2016-12-12 20:11:22] anonymous789 : 100 dollar crash at least
[2016-12-12 20:13:54] bingbongfly : anonymous789: Yep a bull flag just below the 35 month high is definitely "bearish".
[2016-12-12 20:14:48] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: well mr sarcastic, yesterday there was a pretty solid bear flag, which turned into a reversal to the positive
[2016-12-12 20:14:54] anonymous789 : the very same thing could happen here...
[2016-12-12 20:15:09] bingbongfly : anonymous789: ÿe but it didnt shoot up to 5000$
[2016-12-12 20:15:10] anonymous789 : in fact, the bear flag was textbook
[2016-12-12 20:15:28] bingbongfly : which would be the equivalent of going down to 100$
[2016-12-12 20:15:36] Ale : I find it interesting that the baseline is the USD but US customers can't deposit :(
[2016-12-12 20:15:57] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: lol no, the weekly suggests it could go down way further than 100
[2016-12-12 20:16:13] anonymous789 : the trendline on the weekly is like 640 or something
[2016-12-12 20:16:49] bingbongfly : anonymous789: if btc goes to 100$, I would buy 100 million € worth of btc, so it wouldnt go under
[2016-12-12 20:16:51] anonymous789 : 5000 is unrealistic, 100 dollar drop is realistic
[2016-12-12 20:17:00] anonymous789 : no
[2016-12-12 20:17:02] anonymous789 : i didn't say that
[2016-12-12 20:17:03] bingbongfly : anonymous789: no, because I would buy it up
[2016-12-12 20:17:08] anonymous789 : i said "by" 100 dollars
[2016-12-12 20:17:19] bingbongfly : anonymous789: yes but at 200 dollars i would buy 50 million € worth of btc
[2016-12-12 20:17:37] anonymous789 : listen to me
[2016-12-12 20:17:39] bingbongfly : anonymous789: how can it drop now? unless satoshi start to sell btc, I can buy it up
[2016-12-12 20:17:47] anonymous789 : LISTEN
[2016-12-12 20:17:49] anonymous789 : i said
[2016-12-12 20:17:56] anonymous789 : 780 - 100 = 680
[2016-12-12 20:18:00] anonymous789 : not 100
[2016-12-12 20:18:07] anonymous789 : jesus
[2016-12-12 20:18:07] bingbongfly : 780 - 100 = 78000
[2016-12-12 20:18:12] bingbongfly : your math is awful
[2016-12-12 20:18:24] anonymous789 : trollbox living up to its name
[2016-12-12 20:18:38] bingbongfly : sure is.. did you even pass first grade math? :s
[2016-12-12 20:19:08] Ale : Is this site just children arguing? I thought this was a serious platform.
[2016-12-12 20:19:34] bingbongfly : Ale: its called trollbox for a reason :)
[2016-12-12 20:19:43] anonymous789 : just bingbong being a dingdong
[2016-12-12 20:21:30] imabeast : ETC ascending scallup
[2016-12-12 20:21:32] imabeast : scallop*
[2016-12-12 20:24:21] aethlios : soon enormous pump brgins
[2016-12-12 20:25:10] anonymous789 : aethlios: short pump massive dump*
[2016-12-12 20:25:27] anonymous789 : no need to thank me for the correction
[2016-12-12 20:25:39] OVS : is there a way to change the pnl calculator to something other than 100x
[2016-12-12 20:25:42] aethlios : anonymous789: dump 1200 to 950. now pump 780 to 1200
[2016-12-12 20:26:15] anonymous789 : aethlios: pump to 800 and dump to 720*
[2016-12-12 20:26:37] j8 : OVS: the only part that's 100x is the ROE %
[2016-12-12 20:27:22] OVS : I see, sorry. I thought the leverage was automatically set to 100x in the calculator
[2016-12-12 20:27:45] imabeast : etc making its way up
[2016-12-12 20:28:12] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/QAt7ES1s/
[2016-12-12 20:28:28] anonymous789 : who gives a f-uck about etc, shit p&d coin for poloniex
[2016-12-12 20:28:35] aethlios : this is the future.
[2016-12-12 20:29:18] anonymous789 : aethlios: that looks like dogshit
[2016-12-12 20:29:21] imabeast : anonymous789: i dont think anyone does lol.. just making corn off it
[2016-12-12 20:30:46] aethlios : anonymous789: chart mu words.
[2016-12-12 20:32:22] aethlios : anonymous789: where is your chart?? can't you paint?
[2016-12-12 20:32:36] anonymous789 : aethlios: no
[2016-12-12 20:32:57] anonymous789 : but i can criticise
[2016-12-12 20:33:04] aethlios : with out a map you cant go to the mountain
[2016-12-12 20:33:33] anonymous789 : do you mean the mountain top?
[2016-12-12 20:34:22] aethlios : a chart for the trader is like a map for the traveler. need to know the way.
[2016-12-12 20:38:19] anonymous789 : dump baby
[2016-12-12 20:38:30] anonymous789 : release those bowels
[2016-12-12 20:40:42] aethlios : pump it to the core, 900 in 48 hours
[2016-12-12 20:43:47] bingbongfly : finally some cheap coins
[2016-12-12 20:44:15] anonymous789 : don't worry they'll get cheaper ding dong
[2016-12-12 20:47:49] bingbongfly : anonymous789: I sure hope so
[2016-12-12 20:48:09] anonymous789 : china dumping
[2016-12-12 20:48:26] anonymous789 : bull flag not looking so flaggy now
[2016-12-12 20:48:57] aethlios : nothing can save bears.
[2016-12-12 20:50:12] TB : meh like a blip on the radar
[2016-12-12 20:51:37] anonymous789 : you're gonna be looking at broken radar soon
[2016-12-12 20:53:58] TB : oh ye of so much faith
[2016-12-12 20:54:08] bingbongfly : really weak dump imo
[2016-12-12 20:54:13] bingbongfly : time to load up on more longs
[2016-12-12 20:54:27] TB : the dump drank imodium
[2016-12-12 20:56:03] donkey : dump?
[2016-12-12 20:56:06] bingbongfly : let's hope 760 holds
[2016-12-12 20:56:18] donkey : ya'll 1m watchers going 100x?
[2016-12-12 20:56:43] bingbongfly : donkey: 50 x
[2016-12-12 20:57:52] QuantFocus : 100x short
[2016-12-12 20:58:12] donkey : lol hope that $3 dump helped
[2016-12-12 20:58:56] QuantFocus : see you at 700
[2016-12-12 20:59:06] anonymous789 : QuantFocus: +1
[2016-12-12 20:59:17] TB : anonymous789: he's sarcastic
[2016-12-12 20:59:31] anonymous789 : TB: who are you? his bitch?
[2016-12-12 20:59:42] TB : a troll
[2016-12-12 21:01:15] aethlios : the massacre of the bears soon on our screens
[2016-12-12 21:02:08] PARAFFIN : meow
[2016-12-12 21:02:48] TB : aethlios: heard some of my non techie friends talk about bitcoin
[2016-12-12 21:02:55] TB : a sign from the heavens
[2016-12-12 21:03:49] aethlios : above 1000 media will make headlines calling 10,000 the new target
[2016-12-12 21:04:04] aethlios : media will spread fomo
[2016-12-12 21:04:33] TB : Epic times
[2016-12-12 21:04:55] PARAFFIN : when it gets 10k nothing will be worth
[2016-12-12 21:05:10] TB : Winklevii $40 000 soon to be reality
[2016-12-12 21:05:38] TB : 50 articles back referencing per minute, oh the suspense
[2016-12-12 21:05:45] anonymous789 : oh i love it when you guys talk like this, it almost certainly means we're gonna see a massive nuclear bomb type dump
[2016-12-12 21:06:31] donkey : when the trollbox is long go short
[2016-12-12 21:06:50] TB : anonymous789: You want a serious answer, unless Finex get hacked again or China bans bitcoin then yes
[2016-12-12 21:07:09] TB : a dump wil happen
[2016-12-12 21:07:10] anonymous789 : yes what?
[2016-12-12 21:07:36] anonymous789 : don't you mean 'won't'?
[2016-12-12 21:07:51] TB : yes sorry
[2016-12-12 21:08:25] PARAFFIN : why should china ban btc
[2016-12-12 21:08:26] anonymous789 : well i can tell you weekly says bearish double top, the daily says bearish, all technical indicators, RSI/MACD etc etc say bearish
[2016-12-12 21:08:47] TB : and that all works in a bubble
[2016-12-12 21:08:49] anonymous789 : bitcoin has currently no fundamentals, segwit not being accepted, network bloated etc etc
[2016-12-12 21:09:01] anonymous789 : no fundamentals, technicals bad
[2016-12-12 21:09:04] anonymous789 : you tell me the upside
[2016-12-12 21:09:07] bingbongfly : anonymous789: demand
[2016-12-12 21:09:07] TB : when non techie people talk about bitcoin I buy
[2016-12-12 21:09:11] anonymous789 : you fomo longs are going to get destroyed
[2016-12-12 21:09:13] anonymous789 : and you know it
[2016-12-12 21:09:15] bingbongfly : anonymous789: everyone need bitcoin for remittance etc
[2016-12-12 21:09:22] bingbongfly : anonymous789: that's the upside
[2016-12-12 21:09:25] anonymous789 : remittance is a negative effect
[2016-12-12 21:09:35] anonymous789 : transferring money to sell further has a negative effect
[2016-12-12 21:09:47] bingbongfly : anonymous789: ye might be, but what about all the drugs?
[2016-12-12 21:09:50] bingbongfly : the demand is huge
[2016-12-12 21:09:55] bingbongfly : LBC has 72 m a month in volume
[2016-12-12 21:09:58] bingbongfly : that's insane
[2016-12-12 21:10:08] bingbongfly : fundamentals = Bad
[2016-12-12 21:10:11] bingbongfly : demand = big
[2016-12-12 21:10:18] bingbongfly : How I see it
[2016-12-12 21:10:40] anonymous789 : okay you base your bull position on one metric i.e. LBC having big demand
[2016-12-12 21:10:42] anonymous789 : okay good luck
[2016-12-12 21:10:56] bingbongfly : well you base it on one metric, fundamentals
[2016-12-12 21:11:00] bingbongfly : so good luck to you too
[2016-12-12 21:11:03] anonymous789 : lmao no
[2016-12-12 21:11:14] anonymous789 : i just named about 5 or 6 different technicals saying they are negative
[2016-12-12 21:11:18] anonymous789 : and at least 2/3 fundamentals
[2016-12-12 21:11:33] donkey : i base my opinion on my neighbours haircut
[2016-12-12 21:11:36] anonymous789 : stop being a ding dong bing bong
[2016-12-12 21:12:06] anonymous789 : donkey: i'm more convinced for the bull case by your neighbour's haircut than by LBC's demand increase
[2016-12-12 21:12:25] anonymous789 : this is a sucker rally guys
[2016-12-12 21:12:31] anonymous789 : sucking all you fomo longers in
[2016-12-12 21:13:09] donkey : i like getting sucked..
[2016-12-12 21:13:25] TB : donkey: but where
[2016-12-12 21:13:31] anonymous789 : http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sucker-rally.asp
[2016-12-12 21:13:33] bingbongfly : anonymous789: may be, but at least we get rich lol :_d
[2016-12-12 21:14:16] TB : I either get to buy cheap crack or expensive crack after this rally, either way I get high
[2016-12-12 21:14:57] donkey : you not high yet?
[2016-12-12 21:15:58] TB : donkey: In bitcoin world my 5% is all in a days random walk
[2016-12-12 21:16:03] TB : I need more crack to get high
[2016-12-12 21:20:04] bingbongfly : I have some btc i'm up 300,000%, do you think I should take profit? @anonymous789
[2016-12-12 21:20:23] anonymous789 : i'm not your financial advisor
[2016-12-12 21:20:28] bingbongfly : anonymous789: or do you think I will go - 300,000% on my investment?
[2016-12-12 21:20:52] bingbongfly : anonymous789: ok, just though u had some insight
[2016-12-12 21:20:59] anonymous789 : keep your long, it will feel all the better for me when you get liquidated
[2016-12-12 21:21:33] donkey : lol if you up 300000% you should definitly be taking some profit here! But dont listen to a donkey
[2016-12-12 21:21:52] bingbongfly : anonymous789: up 300,000, liquidated xD
[2016-12-12 21:21:58] bingbongfly : donkey: yea I did on some, I still have some back from 2010
[2016-12-12 21:22:36] anonymous789 : take a 100x leverage with all your money and you will get liquidated soon
[2016-12-12 21:22:50] bingbongfly : anonymous789: well obviously
[2016-12-12 21:23:18] TB : Unless I short this imodium dump
[2016-12-12 21:23:20] PARAFFIN : bingbongfly: you dont have to work anymore, congratz
[2016-12-12 21:23:22] TB : Then I get rich
[2016-12-12 21:26:05] bingbongfly : PARAFFIN: I do..
[2016-12-12 21:27:28] donkey : bingbongfly: you started with $1?
[2016-12-12 21:30:15] bingbongfly : donkey: started what?
[2016-12-12 21:30:36] donkey : your 300.000% profit
[2016-12-12 21:30:53] bingbongfly : donkey: haha yea I bought some coins as part of a school project back in 2010
[2016-12-12 21:31:04] bingbongfly : but I sold at 2$, 10$, 30$ .. :p
[2016-12-12 21:31:29] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: oh so you're not actualy a trader, you're just lucky..
[2016-12-12 21:31:36] bingbongfly : anonymous789: yes :)
[2016-12-12 21:31:47] PARAFFIN : bingbongfly: very keen
[2016-12-12 21:53:44] Mm bot : i think my MM bots are hitting rate limits. how do i up the limit?
[2016-12-12 21:59:02] sleger : you email support
[2016-12-12 21:59:05] sleger : or send less ordres
[2016-12-12 22:01:00] PARAFFIN : whats a MM bot
[2016-12-12 22:01:23] sleger : a bot that does MM
[2016-12-12 22:03:43] PARAFFIN : what is MM
[2016-12-12 22:06:48] brouk : PARAFFIN: market maker
[2016-12-12 22:12:18] mjones : my mother
[2016-12-12 22:13:32] PARAFFIN : pumping
[2016-12-12 22:15:00] TB : woohoo my 100x short is working now
[2016-12-12 22:21:02] sleger : see you in 3.5$ up
[2016-12-12 22:22:24] Boontjie : I am unsure whether that is answering sarcasm with sarcasm
[2016-12-12 22:23:32] BTCDJS : sleger: depends what he's shorting
[2016-12-12 22:25:05] BTCDJS : Anybody got a match or a lighter?
[2016-12-12 22:27:33] Boontjie : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ1yK89imRk
[2016-12-12 22:28:13] Boontjie : 1:15
[2016-12-12 22:28:37] PARAFFIN : nice
[2016-12-12 22:30:23] PARAFFIN : 100x long?
[2016-12-12 22:31:14] Boontjie : Hahaha, no way
[2016-12-12 22:32:24] Boontjie : 4.49 same vid, but cooler video strip
[2016-12-12 22:38:05] BTCDJS : ✌️?
[2016-12-12 22:38:51] asdfman : I entered a cross contract by accident, what is this?
[2016-12-12 22:39:31] BTCDJS : asdfman: oh shit! you're joking right?
[2016-12-12 22:39:44] CaptainDean : asdfman: just move the leverage bar
[2016-12-12 22:39:54] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: shh
[2016-12-12 22:40:02] asdfman : keeps saying I have insufficient
[2016-12-12 22:40:20] BTCDJS : need to put more coins in the machine
[2016-12-12 22:40:35] asdfman : yeah not surprised
[2016-12-12 22:40:45] CaptainDean : asdfman: well that means, you just open a position too big for the leverage you have selected
[2016-12-12 22:41:03] asdfman : what is cross is what im asking
[2016-12-12 22:41:16] BTCDJS : asdfman: Just pull the lever. If you get 777, Jackpot
[2016-12-12 22:41:55] asdfman : please dont tell me
[2016-12-12 22:41:55] BTCDJS : Cross uses your whole wallet as margin
[2016-12-12 22:42:17] CaptainDean : asdfman: you put your entire walllet at risk
[2016-12-12 22:42:19] asdfman : what is this in x talk
[2016-12-12 22:42:27] asdfman : baah, perfect...
[2016-12-12 22:42:51] asdfman : im the worst...
[2016-12-12 22:42:59] CaptainDean : asdfman: well it's great if you liquidation price "is not bad"
[2016-12-12 22:43:37] CaptainDean : asdfman: if you're cross and you can only select 100x leverage, that's pretty much ultimate high risk to get liquidated
[2016-12-12 22:43:40] asdfman : yeah it might be not bad untill its fucked
[2016-12-12 22:44:12] CaptainDean : asdfman: just close your position, take a lost and learn ;-)
[2016-12-12 22:44:31] asdfman : cant even select 100x
[2016-12-12 22:44:33] asdfman : nor 1x
[2016-12-12 22:44:39] asdfman : thats why i dont get it
[2016-12-12 22:46:38] asdfman : the wallet balance is different from margin balance though
[2016-12-12 22:46:53] asdfman : but -.-- available
[2016-12-12 22:47:01] BitMEX_Greg : asdfman: Hi can I help with your question?
[2016-12-12 22:47:02] asdfman : its the only pssition
[2016-12-12 22:47:14] asdfman : i fat fingered myself
[2016-12-12 22:47:31] asdfman : but i dont get what the effects of it wa
[2016-12-12 22:47:43] asdfman : as in what did i just do
[2016-12-12 22:47:54] asdfman : what type of position am i in now :P
[2016-12-12 22:47:56] asdfman : lol
[2016-12-12 22:48:03] asdfman : tragic :P
[2016-12-12 22:48:44] BitMEX_Greg : asdfman: You can view your positions in the "Positions" table underneath the Orderbook on the Trade Tab
[2016-12-12 22:49:19] asdfman : yeah it say cross.. i dont get what cross is as a standalone position
[2016-12-12 22:50:00] BitMEX_Greg : asdfman: Cross is a type of margining. It means that it uses all available margin to prevent liquidation. You can read more here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-12-12 22:50:51] asdfman : so its not 100x nor 1x?
[2016-12-12 22:51:01] asdfman : nor any in the middle?
[2016-12-12 22:51:31] asdfman : its like saying "fine, you decide the margin"?
[2016-12-12 22:51:32] BitMEX_Greg : `Cross Margin, also known as “Spread Margin” is a margin method that utilises the full amount of funds in the Available Balance to avoid liquidations. Any Realised PNL from other positions can aid in adding margin on a losing position. This margin method is useful for users who are hedging existing positions and also for arbitragers that do not wish to be exposed on one side of the trade in the event of a liquidation.`
[2016-12-12 22:52:25] BitMEX_Greg : With cross margin you can achieve a leverage less than 1x if you have more funds than the total position
[2016-12-12 22:52:57] asdfman : and i can close as 100x for example? or what?
[2016-12-12 22:53:30] BitMEX_Greg : asdfman: You can adjust the leverage on your position by adjusting the slider on the left up to 100x if you wish.
[2016-12-12 22:53:32] asdfman : if it goes the direction i want and then close, what would i be closing?
[2016-12-12 22:54:00] asdfman : no i cant
[2016-12-12 22:56:25] BitMEX_Greg : asdfman: Let me take a look
[2016-12-12 23:03:35] BitMEX_Greg : asdfman: It seems your leverage is already on 100x given the amount of margin in your account already. You do not have sufficient margin in your account to select a leverage lower than this. If you wish to lower your leverage or liquidation price then I suggest to deposit more funds and top up your margin
[2016-12-12 23:04:32] asdfman : ok ,but why then does it say insufficient when I click on 100x ?
[2016-12-12 23:04:40] asdfman : if thats what i have
[2016-12-12 23:05:36] BitMEX_Greg : asdfman: You do not have any funds to change the leverage. Right now the price has moved down a bit from where you entered, as such your leverage is slightly higher than 100x. By attempting to click 100x it would mean lowering your current leverage
[2016-12-12 23:06:19] asdfman : ok
[2016-12-12 23:08:38] PARAFFIN : pump
[2016-12-12 23:11:00] KingTuna : My BTC liquidation price is $697.48, that is making me nervous.. Gonna add more funds
[2016-12-12 23:11:07] PARAFFIN : Boontjie: you made me watching rod stewar
[2016-12-12 23:12:42] rapidtrades : slow rally nearing end
[2016-12-12 23:13:05] rapidtrades : we're gonna drop like a rock once the idiot who's been slowly accumulating stops
[2016-12-12 23:13:43] rapidtrades : ur not being smart douche, you're just delaying the inevitable
[2016-12-12 23:14:28] sleger : we shall see
[2016-12-12 23:16:51] PARAFFIN : bullish evenging btcchina
[2016-12-12 23:18:55] BTCDJS : Is anyone packing a match or lighter?
[2016-12-12 23:19:01] BTCDJS : anyone?
[2016-12-12 23:20:06] PARAFFIN : BTCDJS: why
[2016-12-12 23:20:08] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-12-12 23:20:30] BTCDJS : Damn didn't work
[2016-12-12 23:21:24] Boontjie : PARAFFIN: my bad
[2016-12-12 23:21:59] KingTuna : 697 liquidation price risky
[2016-12-12 23:30:50] PARAFFIN : woot
[2016-12-12 23:35:03] arbitrage001 : good morning
[2016-12-12 23:35:06] arbitrage001 : how things go
[2016-12-12 23:35:22] arbitrage001 : btc only slightly higher
[2016-12-12 23:35:32] arbitrage001 : than before i sleep
[2016-12-12 23:37:01] sleger : the water is boiling
[2016-12-12 23:37:09] sleger : rapid the frog is not feeling it