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[2016-12-12 14:02:26] sleger : shit ?
[2016-12-12 14:02:31] j8 : rapid caught short?
[2016-12-12 14:02:43] sleger : oh yes
[2016-12-12 14:02:59] sleger : dont fight the tren
[2016-12-12 14:03:01] sleger : d
[2016-12-12 14:05:06] rapidtrades : wtf is up wtih reddit? it keeps logging me out
[2016-12-12 14:05:13] rapidtrades : sleger: shut up sleger
[2016-12-12 14:06:17] sleger : rapidtrades: look at btcjpy, showing the way
[2016-12-12 14:06:35] rapidtrades : jpy doesn't matter
[2016-12-12 14:06:48] rapidtrades : japs are only buying cos their currency is going down the drain
[2016-12-12 14:06:58] sleger : so did chinese i thought ?
[2016-12-12 14:06:59] rapidtrades : they don't hold any special info
[2016-12-12 14:07:08] sleger : at least thats what i keep reading on this trollbox
[2016-12-12 14:07:11] rapidtrades : china has all the major exchanges and miners tho
[2016-12-12 14:07:25] rapidtrades : japan is nothing
[2016-12-12 14:07:40] sleger : they're big gamblers
[2016-12-12 14:09:33] j8 : guise this pump is obviously venezuelans buying
[2016-12-12 14:09:54] sleger : bitcoin is the only food left there
[2016-12-12 14:10:39] anonymous789 : still at 778
[2016-12-12 14:10:58] anonymous789 : bull flag forming, looks like i'm gonna get killed
[2016-12-12 14:12:19] bingbongfly : anonymous789: no, china is taking profits, we'll have a retrace to 720 - 740
[2016-12-12 14:12:49] anonymous789 : the sell volume isn't convincing enough for that i feel
[2016-12-12 14:13:18] sleger : its only going higher
[2016-12-12 14:14:18] anonymous789 : i deserve to get liquidated
[2016-12-12 14:14:49] thomaskikansha : stamp broke the June high
[2016-12-12 14:14:55] Tetsuo : so is "Pantera Capital" not injeting enough fresh money to keep Stamps business alive or why are they fundraising?
[2016-12-12 14:15:26] Rado : anonymous789: still short?
[2016-12-12 14:15:35] anonymous789 : Rado: holding until i get killed now
[2016-12-12 14:15:35] Rado : did you not close on teh dip?
[2016-12-12 14:15:42] Tetsuo : only the diehard remain
[2016-12-12 14:16:09] anonymous789 : Rado: nah, didn't really feel like a good time to close, bear flag was formin etc
[2016-12-12 14:16:40] anonymous789 : and this rally is completely baseless
[2016-12-12 14:16:43] anonymous789 : no fundamentals to support
[2016-12-12 14:16:48] Rado : ha ha
[2016-12-12 14:16:52] Rado : you are funny man
[2016-12-12 14:17:10] Rado : when BTC is at $900 you will be scratching your head
[2016-12-12 14:17:21] Rado : remember I told you it's going there
[2016-12-12 14:17:39] anonymous789 : if it goes straight there yeah, if it does what it should and corrects back to <740 i won't be scratching my head
[2016-12-12 14:18:08] Rado : BTC is not supposed to do anything
[2016-12-12 14:18:30] rapidtrades : it's gotta drop 20-25%
[2016-12-12 14:19:11] anonymous789 : price action should dictate sentiment, tell my why there is positive sentiment in bitcoin right now?
[2016-12-12 14:19:23] Rado : yes from $2000 to $1600
[2016-12-12 14:19:43] rapidtrades : sleger: what broker do u use for options
[2016-12-12 14:19:45] anonymous789 : segwit is not being accepted, network completely congested, ridiculous fees for even small transactions
[2016-12-12 14:19:52] anonymous789 : the fundamentals are totally shit
[2016-12-12 14:19:54] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-12-12 14:19:55] sleger : rapidtrades: interactive brokers
[2016-12-12 14:19:58] rapidtrades : bitcoin is dead
[2016-12-12 14:20:14] Rado : anonymous789: people buying BTC and applications being build on top of it it's at all time high
[2016-12-12 14:20:16] sleger : anonymous789: so something is in super high demand therefore its shit
[2016-12-12 14:20:18] sleger : ?
[2016-12-12 14:20:25] Rado : where do you measure your sentiment?
[2016-12-12 14:20:52] anonymous789 : how is bitcoin in super high demand?
[2016-12-12 14:21:06] anonymous789 : the india/venezuela etc buying up bitcoin is pure speculation
[2016-12-12 14:21:13] sleger : anonymous789: because blocks are full
[2016-12-12 14:21:21] anonymous789 : okay so blocks are full
[2016-12-12 14:21:25] anonymous789 : it's embarassing
[2016-12-12 14:21:26] bingbongfly : anonymous789: lbc has new record high every week, about 72m every month
[2016-12-12 14:21:29] anonymous789 : isn't that embarassing?
[2016-12-12 14:21:30] sleger : yes => high demand, high value
[2016-12-12 14:21:43] bingbongfly : anonymous789: people need to send money home, remittance, and dont forget the black market
[2016-12-12 14:21:58] sleger : no its not, its like that super hype night club where people wait in line, everyone wants to go there
[2016-12-12 14:21:58] bingbongfly : anonymous789: saying btc is not in high demand is fooling himself
[2016-12-12 14:22:05] anonymous789 : how are they sending money when it takes likek 15 years to send one transaction?
[2016-12-12 14:22:14] sleger : and then i show up and skip the line just because ;)
[2016-12-12 14:22:21] bingbongfly : anonymous789: well it doesnt take 15 years.
[2016-12-12 14:22:37] bingbongfly : anonymous789: it takes about 5 hours - 2 days depending on the fee you choose
[2016-12-12 14:22:37] sleger : never takes me more than 30 minutes to send a transaction
[2016-12-12 14:22:47] sleger : just skip the line ;)
[2016-12-12 14:22:48] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: lol and that's a good thing?
[2016-12-12 14:23:00] bingbongfly : anonymous789: No never said it was, but its better then any bank can offer
[2016-12-12 14:23:06] anonymous789 : sleger: sending million dollar worth of btc as fees per transaction doesn't count '_)
[2016-12-12 14:23:09] anonymous789 : ;)*
[2016-12-12 14:23:15] sleger : i send 0.0005
[2016-12-12 14:23:23] anonymous789 : sleger: sure
[2016-12-12 14:23:28] bingbongfly : anonymous789: it's high demand, btc has it's problems, big ones, but demand is not one of it
[2016-12-12 14:23:58] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: well not really, i can go into a store and buy a coffee with my debit card, and it's taken directly out of my bank and transferred to the other person's bank instantly for free on my side?
[2016-12-12 14:24:09] anonymous789 : i don't have to wait 5 hours for my coffee lol
[2016-12-12 14:24:14] sleger : it is not instant for them
[2016-12-12 14:24:20] anonymous789 : yes it is in the UK
[2016-12-12 14:24:29] bingbongfly : anonymous789: it's not instant, no it's just required zero confirmations
[2016-12-12 14:24:44] anonymous789 : because 0 confirmations is a secure network... really?
[2016-12-12 14:24:46] bingbongfly : anonymous789: you don't know how it works, that's all. But btc will never be used to buy coffe lol
[2016-12-12 14:25:02] sleger : not directly on the network
[2016-12-12 14:25:04] anonymous789 : not true, coffee shops accept bitcoin...
[2016-12-12 14:25:18] bingbongfly : anonymous789: yes, but it takes like 5 hours, so who would buy coffe xD
[2016-12-12 14:25:21] anonymous789 : sleger: you talking about settlement?
[2016-12-12 14:25:31] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: haha
[2016-12-12 14:25:49] sleger : im saying bitcoin will not be used to buy coffee on the blockchain directly, on sidechains maybe
[2016-12-12 14:26:03] anonymous789 : segwit is not even being accepted
[2016-12-12 14:26:03] bingbongfly : sleger: +1, anon 789 is just a bit dull
[2016-12-12 14:26:16] anonymous789 : nothing happens on btc
[2016-12-12 14:26:24] anonymous789 : like nothing, no one can ever come to concensus about anything
[2016-12-12 14:26:28] sleger : anonymous789: well then you will be happy in your short
[2016-12-12 14:26:34] sleger : short more
[2016-12-12 14:26:43] anonymous789 : i am happy in my short until it gets to like 800 then i won't be haha
[2016-12-12 14:26:49] bingbongfly : anonymous789: agreed, it's a huge problem. However I think btc can go up in value DESPITE the fact they can't agree to anything
[2016-12-12 14:26:50] anonymous789 : oh i would, if i could haha
[2016-12-12 14:27:06] anonymous789 : IMO, this is all FOMO
[2016-12-12 14:27:21] anonymous789 : and fundamentally baseless
[2016-12-12 14:27:22] bingbongfly : anonymous789: the demand outweighs the problems btc has, imo this is all organic growth. not fomo
[2016-12-12 14:27:33] sleger : fomo doesnt look like that
[2016-12-12 14:27:36] Rado : anonymous789: so you will be happy until tomorrow
[2016-12-12 14:27:51] anonymous789 : when people come on trollbox asking how they can buy btc or sell it because they don't know how to use an exchange
[2016-12-12 14:27:52] anonymous789 : i call that fomo
[2016-12-12 14:28:13] anonymous789 : i've seen at least 2 people on troll box asking how do i do shit on this website
[2016-12-12 14:28:23] sleger : i call that being a newb
[2016-12-12 14:28:35] anonymous789 : one of their friends clearly said to them "oh btc is at 780 dollars, you should buy some", FOMO!!!
[2016-12-12 14:28:46] anonymous789 : beacuse they didn't buy at 450
[2016-12-12 14:28:47] anonymous789 : or whatever
[2016-12-12 14:28:49] rapidtrades : sleger: IB is one of the worst platforms ive used
[2016-12-12 14:28:57] sleger : it is the best by far
[2016-12-12 14:29:06] sleger : but it is for the more educated traders
[2016-12-12 14:29:08] sleger : sorry...
[2016-12-12 14:29:12] rapidtrades : its shit
[2016-12-12 14:29:13] sleger : they wont help users
[2016-12-12 14:29:21] Tetsuo : no trollbox?
[2016-12-12 14:29:26] sleger : but for pro its the only one worth using
[2016-12-12 14:29:32] sleger : no trollbox sorry
[2016-12-12 14:29:47] anonymous789 : baseless rally, the phrase of the month
[2016-12-12 14:29:55] rapidtrades : it's not about help, it should be intuitive to use
[2016-12-12 14:30:09] sleger : rapidtrades: its about functionality
[2016-12-12 14:30:16] sleger : its not meant to be intuitive / easy
[2016-12-12 14:30:23] sleger : just like bloomberg
[2016-12-12 14:30:25] rapidtrades : so u agree its shit
[2016-12-12 14:30:31] sleger : no
[2016-12-12 14:30:40] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: sleger thinks he's better than you
[2016-12-12 14:30:58] rapidtrades : sleger thinks he's better then everyone here :)
[2016-12-12 14:31:09] anonymous789 : j8 one-ups him?
[2016-12-12 14:31:32] j8 : hey don't bring me into this
[2016-12-12 14:31:40] anonymous789 : j8: :D
[2016-12-12 14:31:40] rapidtrades : sleger: you use TWS?
[2016-12-12 14:31:46] sleger : yes
[2016-12-12 14:32:01] anonymous789 : eth rallying
[2016-12-12 14:32:12] anonymous789 : now that's a crypto with some fundamentals
[2016-12-12 14:32:26] sleger : hey you
[2016-12-12 14:32:31] sleger : 're not completely stupid
[2016-12-12 14:32:57] anonymous789 : sleger: well if i am, and i support eth, then you should be worried about your investment ;)
[2016-12-12 14:33:13] sleger : yes but i didnt say you were
[2016-12-12 14:33:27] anonymous789 : you said i'm not completely stupid, that means i'm a little bit stupid?
[2016-12-12 14:33:46] sleger : based on all the info i have so far, it seems likely
[2016-12-12 14:33:51] sleger : but not 100% sure
[2016-12-12 14:33:58] anonymous789 : do you really mean stupid or do you mean crazy?
[2016-12-12 14:34:16] sleger : i dont have enough information to assume you are crazy
[2016-12-12 14:35:22] anonymous789 : oh so i'm stupid for shorting btc at these levels?
[2016-12-12 14:35:36] sleger : not that no, the way you talk in general
[2016-12-12 14:35:43] sleger : im anonymous im legion blabla
[2016-12-12 14:35:50] anonymous789 : i am anonymous
[2016-12-12 14:35:53] anonymous789 : i am legion
[2016-12-12 14:35:55] anonymous789 : expect me
[2016-12-12 14:36:27] sleger : i doubt you cant even hack a simple html website
[2016-12-12 14:36:44] sleger : or anyone on open wifi
[2016-12-12 14:36:54] rapidtrades : Call has been price capped to 0.71 to avoid an execution of your order at a price that is not consistent with a fair and orderly market.
[2016-12-12 14:37:02] rapidtrades : wtf is this cap shit
[2016-12-12 14:37:17] anonymous789 : anonymous is anyone and everyone, we are all anonymous, not just hackers
[2016-12-12 14:37:32] anonymous789 : i think you'll find the hacking groups are actually subsets of anonymous i.e. lulzsec
[2016-12-12 14:37:49] anonymous789 : and btw i'm a security point of contact and software developer at oracle, i know how to hack stuff ;)
[2016-12-12 14:37:56] j8 : rapidtrades: maybe don't manipulate the market? :)
[2016-12-12 14:38:25] sleger : anonymous789: oracle, their DB product ?
[2016-12-12 14:38:37] rapidtrades : j8: ur right i could go to jail
[2016-12-12 14:38:50] rapidtrades : SEC will be all over my ass any second now
[2016-12-12 14:38:51] anonymous789 : no, oracle as in the company that is worth over 350 billion dollars and has over 120000 worldwide employees oracle
[2016-12-12 14:39:07] sleger : anonymous789: yes, but which product of oracle do you work for ?
[2016-12-12 14:39:17] anonymous789 : i work for the retail GBU
[2016-12-12 14:39:22] j8 : cops will find you in your mom's basement like sarao @rapidtrades
[2016-12-12 14:39:37] sleger : anonymous789: btw oracle has 170bn market cap
[2016-12-12 14:39:51] rapidtrades : i wish i was in my mom's basement, i would save so much $$$
[2016-12-12 14:40:10] anonymous789 : sleger: i'll go by my figures
[2016-12-12 14:40:26] sleger : i mean its not up for debate
[2016-12-12 14:40:33] sleger : the price per share is 40.5
[2016-12-12 14:40:34] anonymous789 : well i'm debating it
[2016-12-12 14:40:44] sleger : it is what it is, and it is 170bn
[2016-12-12 14:40:53] anonymous789 : still more than you're worth
[2016-12-12 14:40:53] bingbongfly : look at this buy wall at xbt :d
[2016-12-12 14:41:05] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: eat it
[2016-12-12 14:41:19] bingbongfly : anonymous789: too poor :/
[2016-12-12 14:41:30] Rado : bingbongfly: this is sleger buying 1/10 of his position
[2016-12-12 14:41:34] anonymous789 : is that 1million dollars worth of buy wall?
[2016-12-12 14:41:50] Rado : it's $210,000
[2016-12-12 14:41:50] sleger : anonymous789: well of course its worth more than I am. Is that your tactic when you're proven wrong, you just change subject and attack on something stupid and unrelated ?
[2016-12-12 14:41:57] Rado : 1 contarct = $1 USD
[2016-12-12 14:42:02] anonymous789 : Rado: but what about the 5 orders down to 777
[2016-12-12 14:42:32] anonymous789 : some hidden 210ks there?
[2016-12-12 14:42:43] anonymous789 : and they're gone...
[2016-12-12 14:42:55] anonymous789 : manipulation at its finest
[2016-12-12 14:42:59] anonymous789 : stop messing around sleger
[2016-12-12 14:43:11] j8 : you were looking at the total column maybe..
[2016-12-12 14:43:19] anonymous789 : j8: makes sense
[2016-12-12 14:43:28] sleger : just pushing up the price to 800
[2016-12-12 14:43:31] anonymous789 : i assumed total included hidden orders
[2016-12-12 14:43:34] sleger : to clean up the trollbox
[2016-12-12 14:43:43] j8 : they wouldn't really be hidden then would they
[2016-12-12 14:43:46] anonymous789 : sleger: 843 is where you're gonna liquidate me bitch
[2016-12-12 14:44:00] sleger : shit you're here for 2 more weeks then
[2016-12-12 14:44:01] anonymous789 : j8: okay smartypants
[2016-12-12 14:44:09] anonymous789 : sleger: yup
[2016-12-12 14:44:25] Rado : lol
[2016-12-12 14:44:46] anonymous789 : well if it gets past 780 i could gone by tomorrow
[2016-12-12 14:44:57] sleger : if oracle is worth 350bn and not 170, then is 1 contract here worth 2$ ? @anonymous789
[2016-12-12 14:45:16] anonymous789 : sleger: now that's unrelated...
[2016-12-12 14:45:25] sleger : actually it's not
[2016-12-12 14:45:30] anonymous789 : actually it is
[2016-12-12 14:45:37] sleger : maybe you're talking different $, worth half a real dollar
[2016-12-12 14:45:41] OVS : wow nice to see everyone getting along this morning.
[2016-12-12 14:45:49] anonymous789 : OVS: :D
[2016-12-12 14:46:01] anonymous789 : sleger: maybe
[2016-12-12 14:46:20] OVS : :)
[2016-12-12 14:46:22] anonymous789 : all i know is ethereum is the future
[2016-12-12 14:46:35] j8 : at least you guys can agree on that
[2016-12-12 14:46:44] anonymous789 : j8: :)
[2016-12-12 14:47:06] Rado : ha ha
[2016-12-12 14:47:08] anonymous789 : fomo longs gonna get rekt soon
[2016-12-12 14:47:09] sleger : maybe i should reconsider that position
[2016-12-12 14:47:20] anonymous789 : sleger: :D
[2016-12-12 14:49:00] anonymous789 : i want btc to stop torturing me and just liquidate me already
[2016-12-12 14:57:26] Rado : anonymous789: just short more
[2016-12-12 14:57:55] Rekted : anonymous789: close your position and send me your btc (you will be free)
[2016-12-12 14:57:57] anonymous789 : gotta wait until i get liquidated first
[2016-12-12 14:58:00] laisee : sell the house and short it all
[2016-12-12 14:58:10] anonymous789 : laisee: that's the best idea
[2016-12-12 14:58:38] laisee : can't lose.
[2016-12-12 14:59:45] laisee : anonymous789: u really work for oracle?
[2016-12-12 14:59:46] rapidtrades : BEN DOVER LONGS
[2016-12-12 15:00:17] Rado : by the way shorting the quarterly you can't lose in USD terms
[2016-12-12 15:00:23] Rado : unless you get liquidated
[2016-12-12 15:00:44] Rado : anonymous789: are you shorting swap or Dec 30?
[2016-12-12 15:00:47] anonymous789 : laisee: yea i do, that bit is not a lie :P
[2016-12-12 15:00:53] anonymous789 : Rado: swap
[2016-12-12 15:00:55] laisee : who uses the usd anymore ...
[2016-12-12 15:01:06] anonymous789 : Rado: that's why i'm not liking the funding rate etiehr should be better
[2016-12-12 15:01:51] laisee : anonymous789: why is Java so lame? Can Oracle fix it sometime or put it out of its misery sooon
[2016-12-12 15:02:50] anonymous789 : java 9 soon
[2016-12-12 15:02:54] anonymous789 : should be decent
[2016-12-12 15:03:50] anonymous789 : btw java is number 1 programming language in the world, so can't be that bad ;)
[2016-12-12 15:04:07] laisee : they said the same about cobol
[2016-12-12 15:04:27] anonymous789 : depending on you speak too, some will say they love cobol
[2016-12-12 15:05:14] laisee : 60 yr old cobol guys love ...
[2016-12-12 15:05:31] laisee : cobol
[2016-12-12 15:05:50] anonymous789 : i've never used it, those 60 year olds might be right
[2016-12-12 15:06:32] sleger : i'd rather use c# than java, and i hate windows
[2016-12-12 15:06:47] anonymous789 : sleger: c# is the devil
[2016-12-12 15:06:48] laisee : sleger: +1000
[2016-12-12 15:06:58] anonymous789 : laisee: -1000
[2016-12-12 15:07:14] laisee : c-sharp rocks. java is like c-sharp from 6 years ago
[2016-12-12 15:07:31] Rado : Windows is really bad
[2016-12-12 15:07:42] laisee : true, dat.
[2016-12-12 15:07:48] anonymous789 : laisee: on what basis do you say that?
[2016-12-12 15:08:19] sleger : i've used both
[2016-12-12 15:08:20] laisee : I see stuff in Java 8 that came iut years ago in c-s
[2016-12-12 15:09:35] vincent : anh duc
[2016-12-12 15:09:39] minhduc : dc
[2016-12-12 15:10:13] laisee : e.g. lambda func
[2016-12-12 15:10:55] anonymous789 : okay so lambda functions are really necessary in object oriented programming languages?
[2016-12-12 15:11:49] anonymous789 : even taking lambda functions out of the equation, you're basic argument is that c# has more functionality yea?
[2016-12-12 15:11:52] laisee : depends. I think they are cool and OO has had its turn.
[2016-12-12 15:12:23] laisee : yeah, c-s passed java years back and has got way more stuff in it
[2016-12-12 15:12:39] anonymous789 : okay, you're aware that complexity of programming languages is not always a good thing?
[2016-12-12 15:13:05] laisee : I like option to write procedural, OO or functional in one language
[2016-12-12 15:13:16] anonymous789 : most developers are not geniuses, in fact, quite the contrary, most programmers are just people that happened to get a computer science degree, or a maths degree and it was a decent living to choose that career
[2016-12-12 15:13:40] anonymous789 : complexity adds problems for most developers
[2016-12-12 15:13:43] anonymous789 : and complicates things
[2016-12-12 15:13:45] laisee : anonymous789: agree, and that accunts for all the awful java code I have to work with
[2016-12-12 15:13:46] anonymous789 : java keeps it simple
[2016-12-12 15:14:02] sleger : then they should use python if they want simple
[2016-12-12 15:14:03] vincent : anh duc oi
[2016-12-12 15:14:25] minhduc : thang nay no khung qua
[2016-12-12 15:14:26] anonymous789 : sleger: python is a mess
[2016-12-12 15:14:57] sleger : yes but i still rather use python than java
[2016-12-12 15:14:57] laisee : yay. python keeps most people out of trou
[2016-12-12 15:15:45] laisee : anonymous789: python is good for people who will never be rea
[2016-12-12 15:15:55] anonymous789 : so i started java during 1.4, before generics etc and everytime there is an iteration, although it comes with the territory being a developer, it's a pain in the ass to learn new things
[2016-12-12 15:16:06] anonymous789 : C# is a f-ucking nightmare for people that just want to earn money
[2016-12-12 15:16:40] anonymous789 : being a c# developer means you have what's called lower 'knowledge capital'
[2016-12-12 15:16:41] laisee : anonymous789: actually, c-s is great for building stuff that makes lots of moolah
[2016-12-12 15:16:50] anonymous789 : so is java..
[2016-12-12 15:17:12] laisee : sure, it just takes an extra million lines of code ;-)
[2016-12-12 15:17:51] anonymous789 : laisee: well that's not entirely true, some stuff does make the line count less, but learning that stuff and putting that stuff into practice is still a pain in the ass
[2016-12-12 15:18:02] anonymous789 : like delegate methods for example, why bother
[2016-12-12 15:18:33] laisee : you don't like functional stuff, it seems
[2016-12-12 15:18:56] anonymous789 : well the languages were designed to not be functional inherently
[2016-12-12 15:19:04] anonymous789 : they were designed to be object oriented
[2016-12-12 15:19:11] anonymous789 : if you want that level of complexity, i'd say go to C++
[2016-12-12 15:19:18] anonymous789 : but certainly i'd never bother with c#
[2016-12-12 15:19:22] sleger : c++ is great too
[2016-12-12 15:19:32] anonymous789 : sleger: i won't argue that
[2016-12-12 15:19:43] sleger : at least your program doesnt stop for 1 second to clean its messed up memory
[2016-12-12 15:20:23] anonymous789 : sleger: actually, they say the java VM is so optimised that it runs code faster than if you wrote your own memory handling in C++ for a like-for-like program
[2016-12-12 15:20:40] anonymous789 : that certainly used to be the case back in the day
[2016-12-12 15:20:43] anonymous789 : <java 1.6
[2016-12-12 15:20:44] sleger : for some particular examples maybe it is true, but not in general
[2016-12-12 15:20:58] anonymous789 : not true, it's the inverse of that
[2016-12-12 15:21:12] anonymous789 : in general, java is faster, for particular examples C++ is faster
[2016-12-12 15:21:17] sleger : if you write shitty c++ code you can make it worse than java
[2016-12-12 15:21:21] anonymous789 : yes
[2016-12-12 15:21:36] anonymous789 : that's what most devs do though, most devs are not professors
[2016-12-12 15:21:37] sleger : if you write shitty code then dont use c++
[2016-12-12 15:21:40] sleger : use java
[2016-12-12 15:21:45] laisee : pre-optimized code can be a bad thing, too
[2016-12-12 15:21:52] anonymous789 : doesn't matter, even if you write good code in c++ it might not be 'great' code
[2016-12-12 15:22:17] anonymous789 : java vm makes it run almost great in most instances
[2016-12-12 15:22:22] sleger : so if i need performance i use c++, otherwise i use python
[2016-12-12 15:23:14] anonymous789 : sleger, write 2 data structures, one in C++ and one Java, exactly the same
[2016-12-12 15:23:19] anonymous789 : then use a profiler
[2016-12-12 15:23:44] anonymous789 : you tell me which one performs better through the profiler
[2016-12-12 15:24:02] laisee : and c++ will be faster
[2016-12-12 15:24:10] sleger : a structure is not a program, it doesnt do anything by itself so not sure what i would be running
[2016-12-12 15:24:29] anonymous789 : well that's what i mean
[2016-12-12 15:24:33] sleger : and i wouldnt use a profiler to measure performance, but do some operation on it and time it
[2016-12-12 15:24:38] sleger : and c++ will be faster
[2016-12-12 15:24:43] anonymous789 : you would obviously create a small program to run the data structure you implemented yourself
[2016-12-12 15:25:12] anonymous789 : sleger: if you don't deal with your memory handling perfectly, you'll find the VM optimised the shit out of it and beat your times
[2016-12-12 15:25:32] anonymous789 : there's many examples of this if you google it
[2016-12-12 15:26:15] sleger : i am not arguing with that, if you write shitty c++ code on purpose you can make it slower than java
[2016-12-12 15:26:26] sleger : but that is a stupid way of comparing performance
[2016-12-12 15:26:37] anonymous789 : no i'm not saying write shitty c++ code, im saying write it to the best of your ability in both
[2016-12-12 15:26:58] laisee : good c++ beast good java easily.
[2016-12-12 15:27:37] sleger : anonymous789: look, recent comparison https://blog.famzah.net/2016/09/10/cpp-vs-python-vs-php-vs-java-vs-others-performance-benchmark-2016-q3/
[2016-12-12 15:28:42] anonymous789 : so what about with -O2 optimisation
[2016-12-12 15:28:50] anonymous789 : without*
[2016-12-12 15:29:00] sleger : why would you remove compiler optimization
[2016-12-12 15:29:12] anonymous789 : because we're comparing like-for-like right
[2016-12-12 15:29:13] vincent : co ai la nguoi viet nam khong
[2016-12-12 15:29:31] sleger : optimize your java as much as you want
[2016-12-12 15:29:31] hauruck : is it possible to lend out btc @bitmex, margin funding/lending?
[2016-12-12 15:29:44] sleger : but dont slow down c++ on purpose
[2016-12-12 15:29:47] laisee : no, but u can donate
[2016-12-12 15:30:54] hauruck : ok thanks
[2016-12-12 15:30:56] anonymous789 : anyway i'm not trying to convince you to use java over c++, both great languages, both better than C#
[2016-12-12 15:31:01] sleger : i'm sorry but there is no doubt that java is slower than c++, any good developer (even java ones) will tell you that
[2016-12-12 15:31:03] anonymous789 : that's the point
[2016-12-12 15:31:14] anonymous789 : sleger: that's just not true anymore
[2016-12-12 15:31:22] anonymous789 : but each to their own anyway
[2016-12-12 15:31:23] sleger : well you're changing your point, but c++ is faster than java, by design
[2016-12-12 15:31:46] anonymous789 : sleger: it gives you more freedom, that doesn't make it faster by desgin
[2016-12-12 15:31:47] anonymous789 : design*
[2016-12-12 15:31:50] Rado : there is no even debate about that
[2016-12-12 15:31:54] Rado : it is faster
[2016-12-12 15:31:56] sleger : yes it does, sorry
[2016-12-12 15:32:46] sleger : and if you used the intel compiler on a high perf intel cpu, you can make it much faster than java (more than this perf comparison shows)
[2016-12-12 15:32:47] anonymous789 : lol okay i've done quite a lot of research on this, stubbournness will be stubbourness
[2016-12-12 15:32:56] sleger : indeed it will
[2016-12-12 15:33:38] brouk : as a developer im with sleger on this, java is a mess compared to c++
[2016-12-12 15:33:54] orly : you can probably optimize c++ to run faster than java in most cases, but in the process you make it signifcantly less readable to humans
[2016-12-12 15:34:23] orly : the jvm on the other hand will JIT compile your code after a few iterations, profile continously, inline stuff, optimize in other ways
[2016-12-12 15:34:32] laisee : ... ability to maintain code is important. which is why J2EE/Spring and ll that clunky stuff are not great at all IMHO
[2016-12-12 15:34:35] orly : and none of that hurts the source readability
[2016-12-12 15:34:56] anonymous789 : laisee: C# is inherently ridiculously clunky, can't even be compared to java
[2016-12-12 15:35:09] anonymous789 : laisee: spring etc are just frameworks. you don't have to use them...
[2016-12-12 15:35:25] Rado : probability of fed rate hike for the next 10 meetings is 100%
[2016-12-12 15:35:29] Rado : what a bullshit
[2016-12-12 15:35:40] anonymous789 : Rado: they won't hike
[2016-12-12 15:36:07] Rado : that is what I think as well
[2016-12-12 15:36:10] laisee : orly: JVM and java are good for helping people who don't know how to code optimized apps
[2016-12-12 15:36:14] Rado : or maybe they will do one hike and done
[2016-12-12 15:36:31] anonymous789 : laisee: most people don't = number 1 most used language in the world...
[2016-12-12 15:37:35] orly : laisee: in most use-cases, people can live with say 30% less performance and stop the world GC pauses, in exchange for not worrying about optimizing manually at all
[2016-12-12 15:38:22] laisee : exactly. its "used" by people who don;t really know how hardware or memeory work
[2016-12-12 15:38:53] anonymous789 : laisee: so is c# though...
[2016-12-12 15:39:06] orly : or maybe they know, but they don't want to worry about it because it's just not worth it
[2016-12-12 15:39:16] anonymous789 : the c# and java dev demographic is the same, just that c# is more unnecessarily bloated with functionality
[2016-12-12 15:39:23] laisee : orly: sadly, true
[2016-12-12 15:39:59] anonymous789 : time is money and java makes things easier and quicker to implement than c++ and c#
[2016-12-12 15:40:36] anonymous789 : and requires less constant knowledge updating, although there are updates that add significant amounts of features to the language, it's not on the scale of c#
[2016-12-12 15:40:56] Rado : can you guys discuss something not so boring
[2016-12-12 15:40:57] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-12 15:41:00] anonymous789 : meanwhile i've still not been liquidated
[2016-12-12 15:41:17] brouk : so what is your favorite food?
[2016-12-12 15:41:40] brouk : mine is roast beef with grilled vegetables
[2016-12-12 15:41:43] anonymous789 : i'd prefer not to eat if that were possible
[2016-12-12 15:41:53] laisee : ... mst be the bloated kdb code doing some memory management b4 it wipes u out
[2016-12-12 15:42:20] sleger : lol
[2016-12-12 15:42:43] anonymous789 : i wanna see some longs get REKT, that will be fun
[2016-12-12 15:42:50] anonymous789 : especially the FOMO ones that joined today
[2016-12-12 15:46:06] thiago : we have 425 bots online?
[2016-12-12 15:46:08] anonymous789 : anyone ever wonder what would happen if in say 5-10 years crypto just doesn't work, and never gets mainstream adoption?
[2016-12-12 15:46:10] Rado : anonymous789: it will be fun to see some shorts get REKT as well
[2016-12-12 15:46:27] anonymous789 : Rado: fomo longs getting rekt is more fun, because they were idiots
[2016-12-12 15:46:35] Rado : thiago: these are connections that use API key
[2016-12-12 15:46:41] Rado : they don't have to be "bots"
[2016-12-12 15:46:59] Rado : you can trade manually, but if you are connected with the API key it counts as a bot
[2016-12-12 15:47:25] Rado : anonymous789: not too many of these here I think
[2016-12-12 15:47:35] j8 : websocket connections only i think
[2016-12-12 15:48:04] thiago : what you can use the api for other than bots?
[2016-12-12 15:48:15] j8 : i.e. charting sites would use it
[2016-12-12 15:48:53] j8 : tradingview, cryptowat.ch both have bitmex feeds
[2016-12-12 15:49:03] sleger : recording market data would count
[2016-12-12 15:54:55] laisee : thiago: tracking rekt traders via the liquidation method call
[2016-12-12 15:59:27] thiago : thanks guys :)
[2016-12-12 16:02:38] thiago : so where i buy the fraking bot anyways
[2016-12-12 16:05:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: Buy 1 @ 0.00000882
[2016-12-12 16:12:02] CaptainDean : nice BTC push
[2016-12-12 16:13:57] Rado : thiago: what kind of bot do you need?
[2016-12-12 16:14:46] thiago : money maker machine model?
[2016-12-12 16:15:07] Rado : that's very general
[2016-12-12 16:15:17] Rado : it will cost you a lot of money
[2016-12-12 16:15:19] Rado : ;-)
[2016-12-12 16:17:04] rapidtrades : 20% correction coming
[2016-12-12 16:18:25] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: i've given up hope lol
[2016-12-12 16:19:44] anonymous789 : so, a general question, do you guys think bitcoin will ever achieve consensus on any hard fork?
[2016-12-12 16:20:04] thiago : Rado: I lost a lot of money already.. so, it would be cheaper lol
[2016-12-12 16:20:10] thiago : have
[2016-12-12 16:24:03] Rado : anonymous789: I hope there is no hard fork
[2016-12-12 16:24:39] anonymous789 : i'm talking about any hard fork ever in the future?
[2016-12-12 16:25:39] minhduc : Viet anh có tren này ko
[2016-12-12 16:26:03] Coconuter : Cheguei nos USA
[2016-12-12 16:26:12] Coconuter : Sorte q deixei meu long aberto
[2016-12-12 16:26:17] Coconuter : Kkkkkkkkk
[2016-12-12 16:26:35] thiago : !!!!!!!!!
[2016-12-12 16:26:36] thiago : bah
[2016-12-12 16:26:38] thiago : que bom
[2016-12-12 16:26:45] thiago : deve ter lucrado uma grana kkkkkk
[2016-12-12 16:26:52] thiago : tava em 100x?
[2016-12-12 16:26:57] Coconuter : Nada ta mesma coisa
[2016-12-12 16:27:07] Coconuter : Pq eu nao dei profit no ultimo high
[2016-12-12 16:27:18] Coconuter : Cara nem to viu so 15x
[2016-12-12 16:27:27] Coconuter : 100 eh muita rabeira
[2016-12-12 16:30:29] rapidtrades : BUILD A WALL
[2016-12-12 16:31:13] DangerandPlay : nessa sala somente falamos ingles, porra
[2016-12-12 16:31:16] DangerandPlay : se liga mane
[2016-12-12 16:31:18] DangerandPlay : :C
[2016-12-12 16:31:23] DangerandPlay : to brincando
[2016-12-12 16:32:37] rapidtrades : El español va a casa!
[2016-12-12 16:35:01] rapidtrades : jk continue :)
[2016-12-12 16:40:12] thiago : rapid losses is happy today lol
[2016-12-12 16:40:22] thiago : I mean, " asuhauhssuahsuah" hue hue br
[2016-12-12 17:12:40] aethlios : btc in 3 1/2 years annual inflation will be 1.73%, usd and eur have at least a 9% average inflation rate of basic money supply M0. This will be the major drive of price up, (if tech of the network is fine with no problems)
[2016-12-12 17:15:27] sleger : M0 inflation is irrelevant
[2016-12-12 17:23:51] rapidtrades : but its relevant for ZEC?
[2016-12-12 17:25:54] rapidtrades : nvm i see the comment u were replying to
[2016-12-12 17:51:12] Derreck : dat BTC pump is epic
[2016-12-12 17:52:48] thomaskikansha : $4 on perpetual swap? no way
[2016-12-12 17:53:16] thomaskikansha : just buying crazy
[2016-12-12 17:55:35] aethlios : 780 resistance if hammered, many stops above 800
[2016-12-12 17:55:47] aethlios : so shorts close now on swap
[2016-12-12 17:58:24] j8 : cheap interest next two periods
[2016-12-12 17:59:29] aethlios : btc yuan premium now 12 usd from 3 yesterday
[2016-12-12 17:59:54] rapidtrades : we're gonna dump soon
[2016-12-12 18:00:50] aethlios : daily pump candle today or tomorrow breaking resistance with 70 usd body up to 850 spot and 900 quarterly
[2016-12-12 18:01:02] rapidtrades : plz
[2016-12-12 18:01:11] rapidtrades : noone wants to hear that BS
[2016-12-12 18:01:30] Tetsuo : ^+1
[2016-12-12 18:01:45] rapidtrades : it look 25 days for bitcoin to climb $70 to here
[2016-12-12 18:01:59] rapidtrades : it's not gonna jump $70
[2016-12-12 18:02:04] sleger : btcjpy going for 100k, nothing can stop it
[2016-12-12 18:02:19] rapidtrades : yeah pretty sure it will be stoppe
[2016-12-12 18:02:22] rapidtrades : d
[2016-12-12 18:02:29] thomaskikansha : I see no real resistance above 780
[2016-12-12 18:02:33] CrazyAlfy : Has anyone looked at the leaderboard lately?
[2016-12-12 18:04:05] sleger : on nov 25th the insurance fund went up 80btc
[2016-12-12 18:04:22] sleger : was that the zec rekt ?
[2016-12-12 18:04:32] j8 : trollboxer :(
[2016-12-12 18:04:33] thomaskikansha : yes
[2016-12-12 18:04:40] aethlios : sleger: zcash whale margin call profits
[2016-12-12 18:04:52] thomaskikansha : 4.3K liquidation
[2016-12-12 18:06:49] sleger : he had a huge maintenance margin because of his position size, he got really screwed
[2016-12-12 18:07:00] sleger : but now that insurance part is tied to zec though
[2016-12-12 18:07:52] rapidtrades : i think he was responsible for the 30% discount
[2016-12-12 18:08:01] rapidtrades : he kept selling as we were going down
[2016-12-12 18:08:11] rapidtrades : prolly with his profits, greedy idiot
[2016-12-12 18:08:36] rapidtrades : wait are we talking about troll boxer?
[2016-12-12 18:10:12] sleger : himself
[2016-12-12 18:13:13] rapidtrades : WHAT
[2016-12-12 18:15:01] j8 : what
[2016-12-12 18:15:10] rapidtrades : j8: wat?
[2016-12-12 18:15:16] j8 : you started it
[2016-12-12 18:15:20] rapidtrades : I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
[2016-12-12 18:15:56] rapidtrades : smtimes i don't understant sleger speak
[2016-12-12 18:16:02] rapidtrades : can smone translate pls
[2016-12-12 18:16:35] j8 : do you know what "himself" means
[2016-12-12 18:28:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 460 @ 0.010590
[2016-12-12 18:42:07] PARAFFIN : What you think about BTC tonight? Up?
[2016-12-12 18:45:33] sleger : there isnt a single doubt about that
[2016-12-12 18:50:22] donkey : i am i degenerate gambler who knows nothing about bitcoin but looking at the chart even i can see that!
[2016-12-12 18:51:46] PARAFFIN : will it go up?
[2016-12-12 18:52:52] sleger : PARAFFIN: how many times are you going to repeat that ?
[2016-12-12 18:53:19] aethlios : if it breaks 780 then it will hit 780.01 probably
[2016-12-12 18:53:27] justinlooking : lul
[2016-12-12 18:53:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3000 @ 0.001193
[2016-12-12 18:53:52] PARAFFIN : sleger: it is already at 780
[2016-12-12 18:54:16] sleger : thanks for this great piece of info
[2016-12-12 18:54:17] aethlios : but if 770 doesn't hold then a retrace to 769.99 possible
[2016-12-12 18:55:09] aethlios : charts say a 70% chance to see a daily 70 usd up candle next 72 hours
[2016-12-12 18:56:54] PARAFFIN : I think china will have the biggest impact tonight
[2016-12-12 18:57:26] donkey : choinaaa
[2016-12-12 19:08:55] BTCDJS : Noobs always come on here and spout the same stuff. They are like toddlers who mimic adults around them and repeat what they say. STOP PRETENDING TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. ITS OBVIOUS YOU DONT.
[2016-12-12 19:09:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3000 @ 0.001203
[2016-12-12 19:10:19] BTCDJS : Yes I am a noob too. I am still learning. But I'm far enough along to be annoyed by cringy behaviour.
[2016-12-12 19:11:40] sleger : china doesnt matter anymore, it's all about japan
[2016-12-12 19:13:26] sleger : japan uses china as cheap labor, they make them mine coins then they import them for themselves
[2016-12-12 19:13:41] donkey : India is the new china
[2016-12-12 19:13:53] Tetsuo : ^noob detected
[2016-12-12 19:14:01] donkey : yep
[2016-12-12 19:14:02] asdfman : endeaaa
[2016-12-12 19:14:11] asdfman : choina
[2016-12-12 19:14:16] asdfman : merca
[2016-12-12 19:14:29] BTCDJS : Also Japan is creating insurance companies for bitcoin exchanges
[2016-12-12 19:15:00] asdfman : legality is working as intended yeh
[2016-12-12 19:17:31] BTCDJS : Japan loves bitcoin. They regard it as money
[2016-12-12 19:17:56] BTCDJS : sleger: Is japan taxing bitcoin?
[2016-12-12 19:18:38] BTCDJS : 8% sales tax