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[2016-12-12 11:37:56] brasska : most of the news are created by whales as well, so they have an option to manipulate fundamentals
[2016-12-12 11:37:57] Ary : here we go
[2016-12-12 11:38:06] anonymous789 : you guys do understand the higher the price of bitcoin the bigger the whale has to be to increase the price?
[2016-12-12 11:38:48] ett1 : bigger in USD terms. relatively he could have kept the same number of BTC
[2016-12-12 11:39:23] anonymous789 : ett1: what?
[2016-12-12 11:39:30] rullwull : the higher price of bitcoin that more coins sold by whales and more coins bought by crowd, when whales sell enough the correction starts
[2016-12-12 11:39:36] ett1 : you are right
[2016-12-12 11:40:05] ett1 : but a whale with 10,000 btc is a whale with 10,000 BTC whether its at $100 or $10,000
[2016-12-12 11:40:09] anonymous789 : 5475 about to break
[2016-12-12 11:40:38] rullwull : the whale is who have an unlimited account
[2016-12-12 11:40:42] ett1 : harder for a newcomer
[2016-12-12 11:40:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 300 @ 777.91
[2016-12-12 11:41:06] rullwull : like okcoin for example
[2016-12-12 11:41:38] ett1 : okcoin
[2016-12-12 11:42:17] anonymous789 : RSI massively overbought
[2016-12-12 11:42:33] anonymous789 : although right now it would appear technicals ain't worth a damn
[2016-12-12 11:42:43] anonymous789 : oht here goes 5475
[2016-12-12 11:43:36] Ary : gotta push to 6k around okc futures roll over or we have a monster double top
[2016-12-12 11:44:51] Ary : lookin real good tho
[2016-12-12 11:44:58] aethlios : finex 785
[2016-12-12 11:45:46] wurstgelee : i love waking up to full moon on my day off
[2016-12-12 11:45:50] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-12-12 11:46:12] l3f : full moon rising?
[2016-12-12 11:46:25] anonymous789 : wurstgelee: i don't
[2016-12-12 11:46:45] wurstgelee : anonymous789: still short? :)
[2016-12-12 11:46:58] l3f : wurstgelee: he's in physical pain right now
[2016-12-12 11:47:08] anonymous789 : of course
[2016-12-12 11:47:28] anonymous789 : it's only logical to be short at these levels
[2016-12-12 11:47:29] wurstgelee : anonymous789: you're not gonna bail?
[2016-12-12 11:47:39] anonymous789 : 843 is liquidation
[2016-12-12 11:47:44] wurstgelee : it only logical if u think btc isnt going higher
[2016-12-12 11:47:44] anonymous789 : i deserve to lose if this doesn't correct now
[2016-12-12 11:47:50] wurstgelee : otherwise it isnt
[2016-12-12 11:47:52] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-12-12 11:48:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10500 @ 778.24
[2016-12-12 11:48:18] wurstgelee : anonymous789: tbh, u do. shorting the bull deserves rekt ;)
[2016-12-12 11:48:24] wurstgelee : i do better since i stopped doing that
[2016-12-12 11:48:38] anonymous789 : anyway 790 is a key level for mentally, how it behaves at 790 will decide whether i'm crazy and i let myself get liquidated or i close at loss
[2016-12-12 11:48:58] anonymous789 : for me mentally*
[2016-12-12 11:49:04] rms : ...but if you think it going to 790 why not close now and reopen in 10 points?
[2016-12-12 11:49:09] wurstgelee : 790 is where i am going to close half ;)
[2016-12-12 11:49:29] anonymous789 : rms: markets always run up a bit, have to allow some leeway
[2016-12-12 11:49:31] rms : unless your position is so enormous that opening and closing is really hard
[2016-12-12 11:49:43] anonymous789 : rms: oh yea i'm all in
[2016-12-12 11:49:47] l3f : I closed 20k into a liquidation
[2016-12-12 11:49:48] l3f : that was the best feeling
[2016-12-12 11:49:53] l3f : because you know it was top
[2016-12-12 11:50:05] wurstgelee : btc top? today?
[2016-12-12 11:50:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 778.44 :punch: :whale:
[2016-12-12 11:50:13] anonymous789 : although one person's all-in is another person's pocket change
[2016-12-12 11:50:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 12500 @ 778.53
[2016-12-12 11:50:32] anonymous789 : here we go let's see if i get REJKT at 843
[2016-12-12 11:50:38] wurstgelee : well, u either are stupid or u have enormous balls shorting all in ;)
[2016-12-12 11:50:38] anonymous789 : REKT*
[2016-12-12 11:50:46] wurstgelee : depends on the outcome i guess :p
[2016-12-12 11:50:47] anonymous789 : wurstgelee: :D
[2016-12-12 11:51:07] anonymous789 : on a technical level, this should correct, and what a better time to short
[2016-12-12 11:51:14] anonymous789 : on a bitcoin level, it will probably moon
[2016-12-12 11:51:29] anonymous789 : i don't say 'fundamentals' because even fundamentals for bitcoin are shit right now
[2016-12-12 11:51:39] anonymous789 : with segwit not being adopted, congestion in the system etc
[2016-12-12 11:52:11] wurstgelee : dunno, i dont see a reason why we should correct just now on daily/weekly
[2016-12-12 11:52:20] wurstgelee : can always happen because buttcoin
[2016-12-12 11:52:21] anonymous789 : double top
[2016-12-12 11:52:33] anonymous789 : huge double top
[2016-12-12 11:52:38] wurstgelee : anonymous789: if we are at the second top
[2016-12-12 11:52:43] wurstgelee : which i dont think we are ;)
[2016-12-12 11:53:02] anonymous789 : i think we are ;)
[2016-12-12 11:53:03] wurstgelee : it a temporary double top
[2016-12-12 11:53:06] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-12-12 11:53:18] anonymous789 : even if it's temporary and it corrects to like 750 i'd be happy at break even
[2016-12-12 11:53:28] Ary : progression has been healthy though
[2016-12-12 11:53:35] wurstgelee : Ary: that
[2016-12-12 11:53:45] Ary : and dat c&h
[2016-12-12 11:54:01] balhadj : hello everyone i wan't to know how i buy and sell
[2016-12-12 11:54:06] wurstgelee : everyone loves a giant c & h
[2016-12-12 11:54:08] balhadj : btc
[2016-12-12 11:54:15] wurstgelee : balhadj: press "Buy" or "Sell"
[2016-12-12 11:54:22] wurstgelee : u cant buy btc here
[2016-12-12 11:54:31] wurstgelee : balhadj: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2016-12-12 11:54:36] wurstgelee : everything u need to know
[2016-12-12 11:54:41] anonymous789 : o.O the fomo people are joining the exchanges, this could push us up to all new highs
[2016-12-12 11:55:00] anonymous789 : when you get questions like, how do i buy and sell in troll box, then as a shorter you gotta start worrying
[2016-12-12 11:55:03] wurstgelee : anonymous789: yep. new guys joing a derivatives exchange and asking how to buy btc.....
[2016-12-12 11:55:07] l3f : just go to sleep
[2016-12-12 11:55:09] wurstgelee : thats the shit that will get your short rekt
[2016-12-12 11:55:10] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-12-12 11:55:18] Ary : yea alot of stuff lately reminds me of those days
[2016-12-12 11:55:21] l3f : wake up tomorrow and you'll understand life in a different way
[2016-12-12 11:55:22] anonymous789 : wurstgelee: you're right
[2016-12-12 11:55:29] anonymous789 : l3f: haha :D
[2016-12-12 11:55:45] wurstgelee : anonymous789: venezuela pulled cash too
[2016-12-12 11:55:52] aethlios : many btc providers exist now to buy btc using bank account or credit card. like coinbase etc. so many more fomo options than 3 years ago.
[2016-12-12 11:55:54] balhadj : what do you think you are MF
[2016-12-12 11:55:57] balhadj : anonymous789
[2016-12-12 11:56:03] wurstgelee : their biggest note...also it was only worth $ .02
[2016-12-12 11:56:05] wurstgelee : still...
[2016-12-12 11:56:50] ett1 : are hookers cheap in venezela
[2016-12-12 11:56:53] anonymous789 : balhadj: you're the second person in like half an hour asked about how to use this exchange
[2016-12-12 11:57:15] l3f : sorry but this is a casino and report
[2016-12-12 11:57:15] l3f : not an exchange
[2016-12-12 11:57:18] l3f : resort*
[2016-12-12 11:57:20] balhadj : i'm new here where is the problem
[2016-12-12 11:57:32] anonymous789 : balhadj: no problem, just saying, i'm about to get REKT
[2016-12-12 11:57:32] Ary : hey stop that, hes a buy signal
[2016-12-12 11:57:45] l3f : balhadj: all in on btc
[2016-12-12 11:58:02] ett1 : go long
[2016-12-12 11:58:16] anonymous789 : l3f: doesn't feel very resorty to me, i'm certainly not relaxing by the sea
[2016-12-12 11:58:38] balhadj : i have btc thanks for helping
[2016-12-12 11:58:50] anonymous789 : balhadj: good luck
[2016-12-12 12:00:45] balhadj : thank you
[2016-12-12 12:01:18] anonymous789 : on the weekly this is only the second serious test of these levels since january 2015
[2016-12-12 12:01:38] breadfan : guys do u think btcusd will see 770 by tonight? or will it go on high speed like this
[2016-12-12 12:01:40] anonymous789 : i really don't think it breaks until a third test
[2016-12-12 12:02:43] wurstgelee : anonymous789: *hope
[2016-12-12 12:02:47] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-12-12 12:02:52] anonymous789 : hope is always there
[2016-12-12 12:02:58] anonymous789 : but the technicals support my hope ;)
[2016-12-12 12:03:08] brouk : you just wish
[2016-12-12 12:03:15] wurstgelee : the technicals dont say if it needs 2 or 3 or 4 attempts tho....
[2016-12-12 12:03:28] anonymous789 : typically 3 attempts are solid
[2016-12-12 12:03:55] wurstgelee : i dont even know if that is statistically correct tbh
[2016-12-12 12:04:09] anonymous789 : well in my experience that's what i've noticed
[2016-12-12 12:04:19] anonymous789 : sometimes it only takes 2 but 3 is usually solid confirmation
[2016-12-12 12:04:39] wurstgelee : anonymous789: chances are thats a perception of yourÄs
[2016-12-12 12:04:44] wurstgelee : *-A
[2016-12-12 12:04:46] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-12-12 12:04:55] anonymous789 : yes probably, but it's worked in my previous trading experience
[2016-12-12 12:04:57] aaaaa : soo
[2016-12-12 12:05:00] wurstgelee : "usually" is an indicator for that :p
[2016-12-12 12:05:10] anonymous789 : and i have heard expert traders saying wait for 3rd test for confirmation of things
[2016-12-12 12:05:10] aaaaa : june attemp
[2016-12-12 12:05:14] aaaaa : november attemp
[2016-12-12 12:05:24] aaaaa : and december is the 3rd?
[2016-12-12 12:05:43] wurstgelee : anonymous789: a test doesnt confirm anything.
[2016-12-12 12:05:48] wurstgelee : a breakout with confirmation does
[2016-12-12 12:05:51] anonymous789 : yes
[2016-12-12 12:06:02] anonymous789 : but the third test is sometimes a good place to enter a trade
[2016-12-12 12:06:23] wurstgelee : i prefer entering before a test or after a breakout
[2016-12-12 12:06:27] wurstgelee : but not at resistance :)
[2016-12-12 12:06:32] anonymous789 : same
[2016-12-12 12:06:38] anonymous789 : but i'm already in now
[2016-12-12 12:06:41] anonymous789 : ;)
[2016-12-12 12:06:43] wurstgelee : yes ofc
[2016-12-12 12:06:50] wurstgelee : same for me
[2016-12-12 12:06:51] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-12-12 12:07:00] brouk : anonymous789: you are in short?
[2016-12-12 12:07:06] anonymous789 : yup
[2016-12-12 12:07:14] brouk : lol
[2016-12-12 12:07:18] brouk : good luck
[2016-12-12 12:07:31] anonymous789 : thanks
[2016-12-12 12:07:38] anonymous789 : good luck for your long too ;)
[2016-12-12 12:08:01] brouk : yeah i'm about to close it, already at a nice profit
[2016-12-12 12:08:05] anonymous789 : loving the smugness of longers right now, if it crashes it's going to be epic haha
[2016-12-12 12:08:31] anonymous789 : brouk: cool
[2016-12-12 12:08:38] Ary : okc futures are pulling back a little
[2016-12-12 12:08:57] anonymous789 : Ary: doesn't mean shit though, we need a serious bounce from these levels imo to signal reversal
[2016-12-12 12:09:14] l3f : anonymous789: well fyi I closed 112k and just calculating how much to short
[2016-12-12 12:09:23] anonymous789 : l3f: nice move
[2016-12-12 12:09:26] l3f : so we can get rekt together
[2016-12-12 12:09:33] anonymous789 : l3f: i'd wait until the bounce now in hindsight
[2016-12-12 12:09:49] anonymous789 : l3f: :D
[2016-12-12 12:10:26] anonymous789 : lol 112k, i don't have anywhere near that much :P
[2016-12-12 12:10:47] l3f : anonymous789: I'm using margin of course
[2016-12-12 12:11:03] anonymous789 : i'm using 10 times margin and i'm at 10% of 112k lol
[2016-12-12 12:11:13] anonymous789 : poor as f-uck
[2016-12-12 12:12:10] ett1 : just dont short, unless you are hedging your wallet
[2016-12-12 12:12:25] anonymous789 : heh, what a weakass pullback, probably will form a bull flag and send us to the moon
[2016-12-12 12:12:55] ett1 : what were you doing short in the firstplace
[2016-12-12 12:13:01] ett1 : buy high, sell higher
[2016-12-12 12:14:47] anonymous789 : ett1: haha
[2016-12-12 12:15:54] billyboy402 : anonymous789: i feel ur pain but in only hace 10% of that lol
[2016-12-12 12:16:04] anonymous789 : billyboy402: ;)
[2016-12-12 12:16:45] TB : fck I just bought
[2016-12-12 12:16:57] billyboy402 : i was trading eth last week , and withdraw a little of margin . then today go margin call because i forgot to put it back on . i just hope the price increase a little more
[2016-12-12 12:17:24] ett1 : eth is dead
[2016-12-12 12:20:01] bingbongfly : ett1: what about etc? alive?
[2016-12-12 12:23:08] anonymous789 : eth is the future
[2016-12-12 12:24:20] bingbongfly : anonymous789: and etc?
[2016-12-12 12:24:34] anonymous789 : etc is dead
[2016-12-12 12:24:47] anonymous789 : etc was poloniex's little pump and dump scheme
[2016-12-12 12:24:57] anonymous789 : good little fee earner
[2016-12-12 12:29:48] wurstgelee : i dont touch either etc and eth now
[2016-12-12 12:30:15] wurstgelee : i'll wait till ZEC has bottomed and buy a shitload right before #altsareback
[2016-12-12 12:30:25] wurstgelee : fuck etc/eth
[2016-12-12 12:30:27] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-12-12 12:31:09] anonymous789 : f-uck etc, not eth
[2016-12-12 12:31:17] anonymous789 : eth has fundamentals, etc is a scamcoin for poloniex
[2016-12-12 12:31:26] anonymous789 : zec has more fundamentals than etc
[2016-12-12 12:31:54] anonymous789 : litecoin has more fundamentals than etc
[2016-12-12 12:32:07] anonymous789 : why etc is even worth anything right now is beyond me
[2016-12-12 12:38:56] mjones : Etc can do anything eth can do
[2016-12-12 12:39:49] anonymous789 : mjones: have the etc devs updated their code to mitigate the ddos stuff?
[2016-12-12 12:44:53] mjones : No clue
[2016-12-12 12:45:13] anonymous789 : well if they haven't, then that means they're about 3 forks behind
[2016-12-12 12:45:24] anonymous789 : so no, your statement is inaccurate, etc can't do everything eth can
[2016-12-12 12:45:42] anonymous789 : i don't know anything about etc, which is why i asked
[2016-12-12 12:45:47] rapidtrades : wtf is up with this ridiculous rally man
[2016-12-12 12:45:53] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: indeed
[2016-12-12 12:50:08] TB : more like why the pyllback
[2016-12-12 12:50:17] TB : if you want to screw over shorts, do it properly
[2016-12-12 12:55:28] Tetsuo : BTC is like Hillary just hittin that invisible glass ceiling poppin their head against it over and over until it falls from the ladder
[2016-12-12 13:00:24] aethlios : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/venezuela-demonetizes-100bs-banknotes-india-like-panic-awaits/
[2016-12-12 13:07:50] arbitrage001 : politicians are idiots
[2016-12-12 13:08:00] arbitrage001 : or pretend to be idiot
[2016-12-12 13:10:18] Tetsuo : Bitcoin cultists pretend hat their god will solve the problems of the poor in the world
[2016-12-12 13:11:54] arbitrage001 : majority bitcoin transaction in my country is fraud
[2016-12-12 13:12:02] arbitrage001 : ponzi scheme
[2016-12-12 13:12:26] arbitrage001 : luring investors in using "bitcoin technology"
[2016-12-12 13:14:37] Tetsuo : in the western world it´s mostly black market
[2016-12-12 13:15:11] Tetsuo : nothing much has changed for "real world usage" in the last years
[2016-12-12 13:15:40] Rado : Tetsuo: you must be kidding
[2016-12-12 13:15:44] arbitrage001 : i dont believe btc has real usage other than gambling for legit reason
[2016-12-12 13:16:13] Rado : you guys live somewhere in the old world or in your dreams
[2016-12-12 13:16:33] arbitrage001 : transaction fee is too high for btc processing
[2016-12-12 13:16:42] arbitrage001 : converting fee + fee
[2016-12-12 13:16:47] Rado : it's 0.0001
[2016-12-12 13:16:51] Rado : how is this high
[2016-12-12 13:17:05] arbitrage001 : real company needs to convert to usd
[2016-12-12 13:17:08] Rado : you pay happily $25 for a bank wire
[2016-12-12 13:17:37] arbitrage001 : for international transaction, converting fee is even higher
[2016-12-12 13:17:56] arbitrage001 : fiat -> btc > local fiat
[2016-12-12 13:19:01] Rado : so you are saying that 8 cents or 0.08 USD is a high fee?
[2016-12-12 13:19:09] Rado : wow you have high standards
[2016-12-12 13:19:12] arbitrage001 : i am talking converting fee
[2016-12-12 13:19:28] Rado : if it wasn't for BTC you pay $100 to send $100 with Western Union
[2016-12-12 13:19:31] arbitrage001 : not btc to btc transaction fee
[2016-12-12 13:20:02] Rado : you can convert it on an exchange for 0.02% fee
[2016-12-12 13:20:15] Rado : or is it 0.2%
[2016-12-12 13:20:18] arbitrage001 : and how are you going to wire it back to the local bank?
[2016-12-12 13:21:16] Rado : for free
[2016-12-12 13:21:17] Rado : I just did this
[2016-12-12 13:21:54] Rado : https://www.quadrigacx.com/
[2016-12-12 13:22:01] Rado : this is Canadian exchange
[2016-12-12 13:22:11] Rado : it cost me 0 to get it to my bank account
[2016-12-12 13:22:23] arbitrage001 : not everyone lives in canada
[2016-12-12 13:22:24] Tetsuo : volatility, risk of BTC exchange collapsing, slippage, risk of bank block your bank account if you use BTC
[2016-12-12 13:23:03] Rado : you guys can keep trying to hold on to your old ways
[2016-12-12 13:23:24] arbitrage001 : i do things practically and efficiently
[2016-12-12 13:23:36] Tetsuo : credit cards will help me get my money back if i get scammed!
[2016-12-12 13:23:44] arbitrage001 : and using btc for payment is not viable at this stage
[2016-12-12 13:24:11] Tetsuo : ^as i said nothing has changed in the last 3 years for real world usage
[2016-12-12 13:24:30] Tetsuo : beside ponzi, gambling black market and usage for alt P&Ds
[2016-12-12 13:25:02] Rado : Tetsuo: tell that to BitPay
[2016-12-12 13:25:26] arbitrage001 : bitpay will eventually go bust
[2016-12-12 13:25:39] Tetsuo : how´s circle doin?
[2016-12-12 13:25:47] arbitrage001 : circle is goner
[2016-12-12 13:25:58] arbitrage001 : coinbase still losing money every year
[2016-12-12 13:32:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 87 @ 778.73
[2016-12-12 13:34:07] Mey : Tetsuo: "alt P&Ds"?
[2016-12-12 13:34:33] Mey : arbitrage001: BitPay is going so bad?
[2016-12-12 13:38:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 350 @ 779.13
[2016-12-12 13:39:31] arbitrage001 : Mey: i am saying bitpay business model do not work
[2016-12-12 13:42:10] j8 : their business model is accepting zero-conf transactions on your behalf, right
[2016-12-12 13:45:03] Mey : arbitrage001: what about it does not work?
[2016-12-12 13:45:07] arbitrage001 : j8: the fee part is too high when comparing to credit card
[2016-12-12 13:45:31] Mey : ouch.
[2016-12-12 13:45:49] Mey : wait, does zero-confirmation mean they need to take a credit risk and then price that in?
[2016-12-12 13:45:57] Mey : arbitrage001: rly?????? what are we talking??
[2016-12-12 13:46:44] j8 : 1% instead of 2-3 for cc's
[2016-12-12 13:46:52] Mey : arbitrage001: hey back to how to hedge USD against BTC
[2016-12-12 13:46:59] Mey : how exactly do aI do that =)
[2016-12-12 13:47:12] arbitrage001 : it is not 1% when you include other "fee"
[2016-12-12 13:47:26] arbitrage001 : could be converting fee plus misc
[2016-12-12 13:47:53] arbitrage001 : Mey: i am about to hit the bed
[2016-12-12 13:48:06] arbitrage001 : Mey: ask j8, he is super expert here
[2016-12-12 13:48:18] arbitrage001 : and making a lot of profit here
[2016-12-12 13:53:51] sleger : Mey: if you want to hedge your usd against btc, you only need to buy bitcoins with your usd
[2016-12-12 14:02:16] rapidtrades : sleger: can u believe this shit man?
[2016-12-12 14:02:26] sleger : shit ?
[2016-12-12 14:02:31] j8 : rapid caught short?
[2016-12-12 14:02:43] sleger : oh yes
[2016-12-12 14:02:59] sleger : dont fight the tren
[2016-12-12 14:03:01] sleger : d
[2016-12-12 14:05:06] rapidtrades : wtf is up wtih reddit? it keeps logging me out
[2016-12-12 14:05:13] rapidtrades : sleger: shut up sleger
[2016-12-12 14:06:17] sleger : rapidtrades: look at btcjpy, showing the way
[2016-12-12 14:06:35] rapidtrades : jpy doesn't matter
[2016-12-12 14:06:48] rapidtrades : japs are only buying cos their currency is going down the drain
[2016-12-12 14:06:58] sleger : so did chinese i thought ?
[2016-12-12 14:06:59] rapidtrades : they don't hold any special info
[2016-12-12 14:07:08] sleger : at least thats what i keep reading on this trollbox
[2016-12-12 14:07:11] rapidtrades : china has all the major exchanges and miners tho
[2016-12-12 14:07:25] rapidtrades : japan is nothing
[2016-12-12 14:07:40] sleger : they're big gamblers
[2016-12-12 14:09:33] j8 : guise this pump is obviously venezuelans buying
[2016-12-12 14:09:54] sleger : bitcoin is the only food left there
[2016-12-12 14:10:39] anonymous789 : still at 778
[2016-12-12 14:10:58] anonymous789 : bull flag forming, looks like i'm gonna get killed
[2016-12-12 14:12:19] bingbongfly : anonymous789: no, china is taking profits, we'll have a retrace to 720 - 740
[2016-12-12 14:12:49] anonymous789 : the sell volume isn't convincing enough for that i feel
[2016-12-12 14:13:18] sleger : its only going higher
[2016-12-12 14:14:18] anonymous789 : i deserve to get liquidated
[2016-12-12 14:14:49] thomaskikansha : stamp broke the June high
[2016-12-12 14:14:55] Tetsuo : so is "Pantera Capital" not injeting enough fresh money to keep Stamps business alive or why are they fundraising?
[2016-12-12 14:15:26] Rado : anonymous789: still short?
[2016-12-12 14:15:35] anonymous789 : Rado: holding until i get killed now
[2016-12-12 14:15:35] Rado : did you not close on teh dip?
[2016-12-12 14:15:42] Tetsuo : only the diehard remain
[2016-12-12 14:16:09] anonymous789 : Rado: nah, didn't really feel like a good time to close, bear flag was formin etc
[2016-12-12 14:16:40] anonymous789 : and this rally is completely baseless
[2016-12-12 14:16:43] anonymous789 : no fundamentals to support
[2016-12-12 14:16:48] Rado : ha ha
[2016-12-12 14:16:52] Rado : you are funny man
[2016-12-12 14:17:10] Rado : when BTC is at $900 you will be scratching your head
[2016-12-12 14:17:21] Rado : remember I told you it's going there
[2016-12-12 14:17:39] anonymous789 : if it goes straight there yeah, if it does what it should and corrects back to <740 i won't be scratching my head
[2016-12-12 14:18:08] Rado : BTC is not supposed to do anything
[2016-12-12 14:18:30] rapidtrades : it's gotta drop 20-25%
[2016-12-12 14:19:11] anonymous789 : price action should dictate sentiment, tell my why there is positive sentiment in bitcoin right now?
[2016-12-12 14:19:23] Rado : yes from $2000 to $1600
[2016-12-12 14:19:43] rapidtrades : sleger: what broker do u use for options
[2016-12-12 14:19:45] anonymous789 : segwit is not being accepted, network completely congested, ridiculous fees for even small transactions
[2016-12-12 14:19:52] anonymous789 : the fundamentals are totally shit
[2016-12-12 14:19:54] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-12-12 14:19:55] sleger : rapidtrades: interactive brokers
[2016-12-12 14:19:58] rapidtrades : bitcoin is dead
[2016-12-12 14:20:14] Rado : anonymous789: people buying BTC and applications being build on top of it it's at all time high
[2016-12-12 14:20:16] sleger : anonymous789: so something is in super high demand therefore its shit
[2016-12-12 14:20:18] sleger : ?
[2016-12-12 14:20:25] Rado : where do you measure your sentiment?
[2016-12-12 14:20:52] anonymous789 : how is bitcoin in super high demand?
[2016-12-12 14:21:06] anonymous789 : the india/venezuela etc buying up bitcoin is pure speculation
[2016-12-12 14:21:13] sleger : anonymous789: because blocks are full
[2016-12-12 14:21:21] anonymous789 : okay so blocks are full
[2016-12-12 14:21:25] anonymous789 : it's embarassing
[2016-12-12 14:21:26] bingbongfly : anonymous789: lbc has new record high every week, about 72m every month
[2016-12-12 14:21:29] anonymous789 : isn't that embarassing?
[2016-12-12 14:21:30] sleger : yes => high demand, high value
[2016-12-12 14:21:43] bingbongfly : anonymous789: people need to send money home, remittance, and dont forget the black market
[2016-12-12 14:21:58] sleger : no its not, its like that super hype night club where people wait in line, everyone wants to go there
[2016-12-12 14:21:58] bingbongfly : anonymous789: saying btc is not in high demand is fooling himself
[2016-12-12 14:22:05] anonymous789 : how are they sending money when it takes likek 15 years to send one transaction?
[2016-12-12 14:22:14] sleger : and then i show up and skip the line just because ;)
[2016-12-12 14:22:21] bingbongfly : anonymous789: well it doesnt take 15 years.
[2016-12-12 14:22:37] bingbongfly : anonymous789: it takes about 5 hours - 2 days depending on the fee you choose
[2016-12-12 14:22:37] sleger : never takes me more than 30 minutes to send a transaction
[2016-12-12 14:22:47] sleger : just skip the line ;)
[2016-12-12 14:22:48] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: lol and that's a good thing?
[2016-12-12 14:23:00] bingbongfly : anonymous789: No never said it was, but its better then any bank can offer
[2016-12-12 14:23:06] anonymous789 : sleger: sending million dollar worth of btc as fees per transaction doesn't count '_)
[2016-12-12 14:23:09] anonymous789 : ;)*
[2016-12-12 14:23:15] sleger : i send 0.0005
[2016-12-12 14:23:23] anonymous789 : sleger: sure
[2016-12-12 14:23:28] bingbongfly : anonymous789: it's high demand, btc has it's problems, big ones, but demand is not one of it
[2016-12-12 14:23:58] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: well not really, i can go into a store and buy a coffee with my debit card, and it's taken directly out of my bank and transferred to the other person's bank instantly for free on my side?
[2016-12-12 14:24:09] anonymous789 : i don't have to wait 5 hours for my coffee lol
[2016-12-12 14:24:14] sleger : it is not instant for them
[2016-12-12 14:24:20] anonymous789 : yes it is in the UK
[2016-12-12 14:24:29] bingbongfly : anonymous789: it's not instant, no it's just required zero confirmations
[2016-12-12 14:24:44] anonymous789 : because 0 confirmations is a secure network... really?
[2016-12-12 14:24:46] bingbongfly : anonymous789: you don't know how it works, that's all. But btc will never be used to buy coffe lol
[2016-12-12 14:25:02] sleger : not directly on the network
[2016-12-12 14:25:04] anonymous789 : not true, coffee shops accept bitcoin...
[2016-12-12 14:25:18] bingbongfly : anonymous789: yes, but it takes like 5 hours, so who would buy coffe xD
[2016-12-12 14:25:21] anonymous789 : sleger: you talking about settlement?
[2016-12-12 14:25:31] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: haha
[2016-12-12 14:25:49] sleger : im saying bitcoin will not be used to buy coffee on the blockchain directly, on sidechains maybe
[2016-12-12 14:26:03] anonymous789 : segwit is not even being accepted
[2016-12-12 14:26:03] bingbongfly : sleger: +1, anon 789 is just a bit dull
[2016-12-12 14:26:16] anonymous789 : nothing happens on btc
[2016-12-12 14:26:24] anonymous789 : like nothing, no one can ever come to concensus about anything
[2016-12-12 14:26:28] sleger : anonymous789: well then you will be happy in your short
[2016-12-12 14:26:34] sleger : short more
[2016-12-12 14:26:43] anonymous789 : i am happy in my short until it gets to like 800 then i won't be haha
[2016-12-12 14:26:49] bingbongfly : anonymous789: agreed, it's a huge problem. However I think btc can go up in value DESPITE the fact they can't agree to anything
[2016-12-12 14:26:50] anonymous789 : oh i would, if i could haha
[2016-12-12 14:27:06] anonymous789 : IMO, this is all FOMO
[2016-12-12 14:27:21] anonymous789 : and fundamentally baseless
[2016-12-12 14:27:22] bingbongfly : anonymous789: the demand outweighs the problems btc has, imo this is all organic growth. not fomo
[2016-12-12 14:27:33] sleger : fomo doesnt look like that
[2016-12-12 14:27:36] Rado : anonymous789: so you will be happy until tomorrow
[2016-12-12 14:27:51] anonymous789 : when people come on trollbox asking how they can buy btc or sell it because they don't know how to use an exchange
[2016-12-12 14:27:52] anonymous789 : i call that fomo
[2016-12-12 14:28:13] anonymous789 : i've seen at least 2 people on troll box asking how do i do shit on this website
[2016-12-12 14:28:23] sleger : i call that being a newb
[2016-12-12 14:28:35] anonymous789 : one of their friends clearly said to them "oh btc is at 780 dollars, you should buy some", FOMO!!!
[2016-12-12 14:28:46] anonymous789 : beacuse they didn't buy at 450
[2016-12-12 14:28:47] anonymous789 : or whatever
[2016-12-12 14:28:49] rapidtrades : sleger: IB is one of the worst platforms ive used
[2016-12-12 14:28:57] sleger : it is the best by far
[2016-12-12 14:29:06] sleger : but it is for the more educated traders
[2016-12-12 14:29:08] sleger : sorry...
[2016-12-12 14:29:12] rapidtrades : its shit
[2016-12-12 14:29:13] sleger : they wont help users
[2016-12-12 14:29:21] Tetsuo : no trollbox?
[2016-12-12 14:29:26] sleger : but for pro its the only one worth using
[2016-12-12 14:29:32] sleger : no trollbox sorry
[2016-12-12 14:29:47] anonymous789 : baseless rally, the phrase of the month
[2016-12-12 14:29:55] rapidtrades : it's not about help, it should be intuitive to use
[2016-12-12 14:30:09] sleger : rapidtrades: its about functionality
[2016-12-12 14:30:16] sleger : its not meant to be intuitive / easy
[2016-12-12 14:30:23] sleger : just like bloomberg
[2016-12-12 14:30:25] rapidtrades : so u agree its shit
[2016-12-12 14:30:31] sleger : no
[2016-12-12 14:30:40] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: sleger thinks he's better than you
[2016-12-12 14:30:58] rapidtrades : sleger thinks he's better then everyone here :)
[2016-12-12 14:31:09] anonymous789 : j8 one-ups him?
[2016-12-12 14:31:32] j8 : hey don't bring me into this
[2016-12-12 14:31:40] anonymous789 : j8: :D
[2016-12-12 14:31:40] rapidtrades : sleger: you use TWS?
[2016-12-12 14:31:46] sleger : yes
[2016-12-12 14:32:01] anonymous789 : eth rallying
[2016-12-12 14:32:12] anonymous789 : now that's a crypto with some fundamentals
[2016-12-12 14:32:26] sleger : hey you
[2016-12-12 14:32:31] sleger : 're not completely stupid
[2016-12-12 14:32:57] anonymous789 : sleger: well if i am, and i support eth, then you should be worried about your investment ;)
[2016-12-12 14:33:13] sleger : yes but i didnt say you were
[2016-12-12 14:33:27] anonymous789 : you said i'm not completely stupid, that means i'm a little bit stupid?
[2016-12-12 14:33:46] sleger : based on all the info i have so far, it seems likely
[2016-12-12 14:33:51] sleger : but not 100% sure
[2016-12-12 14:33:58] anonymous789 : do you really mean stupid or do you mean crazy?
[2016-12-12 14:34:16] sleger : i dont have enough information to assume you are crazy
[2016-12-12 14:35:22] anonymous789 : oh so i'm stupid for shorting btc at these levels?
[2016-12-12 14:35:36] sleger : not that no, the way you talk in general
[2016-12-12 14:35:43] sleger : im anonymous im legion blabla
[2016-12-12 14:35:50] anonymous789 : i am anonymous
[2016-12-12 14:35:53] anonymous789 : i am legion
[2016-12-12 14:35:55] anonymous789 : expect me
[2016-12-12 14:36:27] sleger : i doubt you cant even hack a simple html website
[2016-12-12 14:36:44] sleger : or anyone on open wifi
[2016-12-12 14:36:54] rapidtrades : Call has been price capped to 0.71 to avoid an execution of your order at a price that is not consistent with a fair and orderly market.
[2016-12-12 14:37:02] rapidtrades : wtf is this cap shit
[2016-12-12 14:37:17] anonymous789 : anonymous is anyone and everyone, we are all anonymous, not just hackers
[2016-12-12 14:37:32] anonymous789 : i think you'll find the hacking groups are actually subsets of anonymous i.e. lulzsec
[2016-12-12 14:37:49] anonymous789 : and btw i'm a security point of contact and software developer at oracle, i know how to hack stuff ;)
[2016-12-12 14:37:56] j8 : rapidtrades: maybe don't manipulate the market? :)
[2016-12-12 14:38:25] sleger : anonymous789: oracle, their DB product ?
[2016-12-12 14:38:37] rapidtrades : j8: ur right i could go to jail
[2016-12-12 14:38:50] rapidtrades : SEC will be all over my ass any second now
[2016-12-12 14:38:51] anonymous789 : no, oracle as in the company that is worth over 350 billion dollars and has over 120000 worldwide employees oracle
[2016-12-12 14:39:07] sleger : anonymous789: yes, but which product of oracle do you work for ?
[2016-12-12 14:39:17] anonymous789 : i work for the retail GBU
[2016-12-12 14:39:22] j8 : cops will find you in your mom's basement like sarao @rapidtrades
[2016-12-12 14:39:37] sleger : anonymous789: btw oracle has 170bn market cap
[2016-12-12 14:39:51] rapidtrades : i wish i was in my mom's basement, i would save so much $$$
[2016-12-12 14:40:10] anonymous789 : sleger: i'll go by my figures
[2016-12-12 14:40:26] sleger : i mean its not up for debate
[2016-12-12 14:40:33] sleger : the price per share is 40.5
[2016-12-12 14:40:34] anonymous789 : well i'm debating it
[2016-12-12 14:40:44] sleger : it is what it is, and it is 170bn
[2016-12-12 14:40:53] anonymous789 : still more than you're worth
[2016-12-12 14:40:53] bingbongfly : look at this buy wall at xbt :d
[2016-12-12 14:41:05] anonymous789 : bingbongfly: eat it
[2016-12-12 14:41:19] bingbongfly : anonymous789: too poor :/
[2016-12-12 14:41:30] Rado : bingbongfly: this is sleger buying 1/10 of his position
[2016-12-12 14:41:34] anonymous789 : is that 1million dollars worth of buy wall?
[2016-12-12 14:41:50] Rado : it's $210,000
[2016-12-12 14:41:50] sleger : anonymous789: well of course its worth more than I am. Is that your tactic when you're proven wrong, you just change subject and attack on something stupid and unrelated ?
[2016-12-12 14:41:57] Rado : 1 contarct = $1 USD
[2016-12-12 14:42:02] anonymous789 : Rado: but what about the 5 orders down to 777
[2016-12-12 14:42:32] anonymous789 : some hidden 210ks there?
[2016-12-12 14:42:43] anonymous789 : and they're gone...
[2016-12-12 14:42:55] anonymous789 : manipulation at its finest
[2016-12-12 14:42:59] anonymous789 : stop messing around sleger
[2016-12-12 14:43:11] j8 : you were looking at the total column maybe..
[2016-12-12 14:43:19] anonymous789 : j8: makes sense
[2016-12-12 14:43:28] sleger : just pushing up the price to 800
[2016-12-12 14:43:31] anonymous789 : i assumed total included hidden orders
[2016-12-12 14:43:34] sleger : to clean up the trollbox
[2016-12-12 14:43:43] j8 : they wouldn't really be hidden then would they
[2016-12-12 14:43:46] anonymous789 : sleger: 843 is where you're gonna liquidate me bitch
[2016-12-12 14:44:00] sleger : shit you're here for 2 more weeks then
[2016-12-12 14:44:01] anonymous789 : j8: okay smartypants
[2016-12-12 14:44:09] anonymous789 : sleger: yup
[2016-12-12 14:44:25] Rado : lol
[2016-12-12 14:44:46] anonymous789 : well if it gets past 780 i could gone by tomorrow
[2016-12-12 14:44:57] sleger : if oracle is worth 350bn and not 170, then is 1 contract here worth 2$ ? @anonymous789
[2016-12-12 14:45:16] anonymous789 : sleger: now that's unrelated...
[2016-12-12 14:45:25] sleger : actually it's not
[2016-12-12 14:45:30] anonymous789 : actually it is
[2016-12-12 14:45:37] sleger : maybe you're talking different $, worth half a real dollar
[2016-12-12 14:45:41] OVS : wow nice to see everyone getting along this morning.
[2016-12-12 14:45:49] anonymous789 : OVS: :D
[2016-12-12 14:46:01] anonymous789 : sleger: maybe
[2016-12-12 14:46:20] OVS : :)
[2016-12-12 14:46:22] anonymous789 : all i know is ethereum is the future
[2016-12-12 14:46:35] j8 : at least you guys can agree on that
[2016-12-12 14:46:44] anonymous789 : j8: :)
[2016-12-12 14:47:06] Rado : ha ha
[2016-12-12 14:47:08] anonymous789 : fomo longs gonna get rekt soon
[2016-12-12 14:47:09] sleger : maybe i should reconsider that position
[2016-12-12 14:47:20] anonymous789 : sleger: :D
[2016-12-12 14:49:00] anonymous789 : i want btc to stop torturing me and just liquidate me already
[2016-12-12 14:57:26] Rado : anonymous789: just short more
[2016-12-12 14:57:55] Rekted : anonymous789: close your position and send me your btc (you will be free)
[2016-12-12 14:57:57] anonymous789 : gotta wait until i get liquidated first
[2016-12-12 14:58:00] laisee : sell the house and short it all
[2016-12-12 14:58:10] anonymous789 : laisee: that's the best idea
[2016-12-12 14:58:38] laisee : can't lose.
[2016-12-12 14:59:45] laisee : anonymous789: u really work for oracle?
[2016-12-12 14:59:46] rapidtrades : BEN DOVER LONGS
[2016-12-12 15:00:17] Rado : by the way shorting the quarterly you can't lose in USD terms
[2016-12-12 15:00:23] Rado : unless you get liquidated
[2016-12-12 15:00:44] Rado : anonymous789: are you shorting swap or Dec 30?
[2016-12-12 15:00:47] anonymous789 : laisee: yea i do, that bit is not a lie :P
[2016-12-12 15:00:53] anonymous789 : Rado: swap
[2016-12-12 15:00:55] laisee : who uses the usd anymore ...
[2016-12-12 15:01:06] anonymous789 : Rado: that's why i'm not liking the funding rate etiehr should be better
[2016-12-12 15:01:51] laisee : anonymous789: why is Java so lame? Can Oracle fix it sometime or put it out of its misery sooon
[2016-12-12 15:02:50] anonymous789 : java 9 soon