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[2016-12-11 14:13:49] l3f : tx happened on 3rd of Dec
[2016-12-11 14:13:54] l3f : you'd know about it way before
[2016-12-11 14:14:08] l3f : secondly bitcoin doesn't have a protocol bug
[2016-12-11 14:14:31] l3f : Third why would /de/ be in the url if the link came out of a chinese irc
[2016-12-11 14:14:49] thiago : lol
[2016-12-11 14:16:40] DangerandPlay : Not true about china miners (i live in china, speak chinese)
[2016-12-11 14:18:52] laisee : someone wants BTC to go up, is all. rumours are rife in every market.
[2016-12-11 14:19:11] l3f : you mean down?
[2016-12-11 14:19:24] rapidtrades : HE MEANS UP
[2016-12-11 14:19:51] l3f : rapidlosses: how is zec going?
[2016-12-11 14:20:12] rapidtrades : ITS STABLE ALL MONTH B1TCH
[2016-12-11 14:20:25] rapidtrades : about to rip ur face off
[2016-12-11 14:20:26] l3f : AYY LMAO
[2016-12-11 14:20:41] l3f : I'm averaging buys into zec btwo
[2016-12-11 14:20:45] l3f : so you know
[2016-12-11 14:20:48] l3f : if it does rocket off
[2016-12-11 14:20:52] rapidtrades : SMART
[2016-12-11 14:23:00] Tetsuo : http://www.wsj.com/articles/BTC-on-the-verge-of-collapse-as-china-will-ban-BTC-soon-1478253610
[2016-12-11 14:23:44] l3f : Tetsuo: LEGIT
[2016-12-11 14:24:40] l3f : http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/china/pboc-imposes-bitcoin-capital-controls/index.html
[2016-12-11 14:25:01] Tetsuo : l3f: plz stop trollling, thx. this is serious
[2016-12-11 14:25:08] l3f : http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/12/china/china-bans-bitcoin-for-the-third-time/index.html
[2016-12-11 14:25:16] l3f : Tetsuo: super srs
[2016-12-11 14:25:25] aethlios : btc china premium only 3.15 usd or 0.41%.
[2016-12-11 14:25:40] l3f : aethlios: imho this correction fixes the premium
[2016-12-11 14:26:27] aethlios : whan new 3M contracts will start here and to okcoin?
[2016-12-11 14:27:06] DangerandPlay : lol nice hoax article l3f
[2016-12-11 14:27:15] rapidtrades : there could be a seasonal tendency at play here
[2016-12-11 14:27:26] rapidtrades : this type of rally is a copy of the rally same time last year
[2016-12-11 14:27:45] rapidtrades : keeps slowly going up as daily ranges narrow
[2016-12-11 14:34:44] rapidtrades : another fun chart...compare litecoin last year after halving with bitcoin this year after halving
[2016-12-11 14:34:59] rapidtrades : they're nearly identical until this rally started
[2016-12-11 14:36:58] mjones : Aethlios okcoin Friday and bitmex will announce the start date soon. Should be Friday also
[2016-12-11 14:38:18] aethlios : 30 usd premium for new 3M contracts could be cheap.
[2016-12-11 14:38:40] rapidtrades : not really, right now we're at $25 premium normalized
[2016-12-11 14:38:40] aethlios : mjones: thanks!
[2016-12-11 14:38:40] mjones : Yeah
[2016-12-11 14:40:33] aethlios : because next 3 months very possible a rally to 1200, if we break 800 triangle. maybe whales want to roll over cheap to 3M contracts and wait, pump could start after new 3M start.
[2016-12-11 14:44:03] rapidtrades : i don't think so, a lot of the gains this year were from the halvening
[2016-12-11 14:46:13] Rado : aethlios: here will be this Friday
[2016-12-11 14:46:46] aethlios : Rado: both will be 31 of March? last friday of march is 31
[2016-12-11 14:47:03] anonymous789 : Rado: glad i went to sleep last night..
[2016-12-11 14:47:03] Rado : yes
[2016-12-11 14:47:11] Rado : anonymous789: ;-)
[2016-12-11 14:47:59] m3s : I can change leverage dynamically ?
[2016-12-11 14:48:12] Rado : m3s: yes
[2016-12-11 14:48:21] m3s : wow thats so cool
[2016-12-11 14:48:54] aethlios : now because china premium only 4.72, we can buy cheap that spread going long XBC 3M and short XBT usd 3M.
[2016-12-11 14:50:18] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/EMKBzkq4/
[2016-12-11 14:50:38] aethlios : china premium in usd last 30 days .
[2016-12-11 14:51:38] Rado : went down a lot
[2016-12-11 15:08:42] Tetsuo : aethlios: have you considered the possibility that BTC might go down instead of up?
[2016-12-11 15:10:52] aethlios : Tetsuo: trading is probabilities, since we don't know the future can't be 100%. But I bet 70% upside, and 30% downside. Since china spread is 4 usd and can go to zero or up to 35 then you can make a strategy buying the spread with unequal payoff in your favor.
[2016-12-11 15:12:35] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/EMKBzkq4/
[2016-12-11 15:13:49] aethlios : this chart is the okcoin spot in yuan adjusted on yuan fx rate minus bitstamp usd spot. So it is a spread between spot yuan spot usd.
[2016-12-11 15:15:25] sleger : china spread is $4 ?
[2016-12-11 15:24:51] aethlios : sleger: 2.53 now spot
[2016-12-11 15:25:08] sleger : how do you get that number ?
[2016-12-11 15:25:12] sleger : it's wrong
[2016-12-11 15:26:27] aethlios : (okcoin CNY spot/usdcnh)-bitstamp usd spot
[2016-12-11 15:27:18] aethlios : I use okcoin spot yuan as reference for btc yuan and stamp usd spot for usd.
[2016-12-11 15:29:45] sleger : at the moment bitstamp is above the others but it usually isnt so wouldnt rely on that
[2016-12-11 15:32:52] Rado : sleger: Bitstamp is not above others
[2016-12-11 15:33:14] Rado : it's right in the middle
[2016-12-11 15:33:17] sleger : it was $2 above finex when we were discussing it 3 min ago
[2016-12-11 15:33:24] Rado : lol
[2016-12-11 15:33:24] sleger : lots of things happen in 3 minutes...
[2016-12-11 15:33:27] Rado : I just looked
[2016-12-11 15:33:41] aethlios : I can add finex and have 50% stamp, 50% finex as two top spot usd exchanges.
[2016-12-11 15:34:23] sleger : aethlios: see the premium is already higher now
[2016-12-11 15:35:08] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/gZSlGIVU/
[2016-12-11 15:35:45] aethlios : also here the premium of okcoin 3M minus bitmex usd 3M, this is interesting to trade also.
[2016-12-11 15:44:37] thiago : im trying to close 600 contracts @ ETH7D at market price.. and cant.. @-@
[2016-12-11 15:46:23] Rado : thiago: what do you mean?
[2016-12-11 15:47:09] thiago : in open positions
[2016-12-11 15:47:13] Rado : in Place order click on Market tab enter size and click sell market
[2016-12-11 15:47:25] Rado : don't use the botton next to the position
[2016-12-11 15:48:03] thiago : there is a lot of buttons. . .
[2016-12-11 15:48:10] Rado : it should work as well, but it could be affected by how javascript is cached in your browser
[2016-12-11 15:48:39] thiago : I mean, it works, but in 7, 4 contracts at a time
[2016-12-11 15:48:52] thiago : i want to close entire position
[2016-12-11 15:49:05] Rado : then enter the whole size like I said
[2016-12-11 15:49:20] Rado : in the top lef (Place Order screen)
[2016-12-11 15:49:32] Rado : left
[2016-12-11 15:50:06] thiago : order submission error
[2016-12-11 15:50:20] thiago : something along, cant place order, above liquidation price
[2016-12-11 15:54:05] Rado : I thought you want to close your position
[2016-12-11 15:54:13] Rado : did you click on market tab?
[2016-12-11 15:54:47] Rado : make sure you click the correct button
[2016-12-11 15:55:00] Rado : if you are long click Sell Market
[2016-12-11 15:55:07] Rado : if you are short click Buy Market
[2016-12-11 15:58:43] thiago : did that
[2016-12-11 15:58:46] thiago : did not work
[2016-12-11 15:58:57] thiago : it sells 7 and 4 contracts o.o
[2016-12-11 15:59:38] Rado : email support
[2016-12-11 16:00:08] thiago : "order could not be submitted: executing at order price would lead to immediate liquidation"
[2016-12-11 16:00:47] Rado : I think you are putting a price
[2016-12-11 16:00:53] Rado : instead of submitting a market order
[2016-12-11 16:01:22] Rado : are you Stop Market tab instead of Market?
[2016-12-11 16:01:43] thiago : Place order tab, market
[2016-12-11 16:01:52] thiago : at testnet btw
[2016-12-11 16:02:14] Rado : oh
[2016-12-11 16:02:22] Rado : maybe there is an issue on testnet
[2016-12-11 16:02:24] Rado : not sure
[2016-12-11 16:02:30] Rado : ETC almost hit target
[2016-12-11 16:02:31] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETCBTC/1SgrFojT-ETC-nearing-reversal/
[2016-12-11 16:18:02] bingbongfly : Rado: rip: https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ETCBTC/bDjwwid9-ETC-downtrend-might-be-coming-to-an-end/ You gotta try that one too many times , wonder if anyone profited
[2016-12-11 16:25:39] BitMEX_Wally : thiago: On testnet you are short ETH7D which a liquidation price of 0.01081 but when you submitted your market buy order the ask price was 0.01084
[2016-12-11 16:28:05] thiago : sorry, still dont get it
[2016-12-11 16:28:59] BitMEX_Wally : thiago: You are short, and you cannot buy at a price above your liquidation price
[2016-12-11 16:29:49] thiago : what if I want to liquidate the position? .. or close..
[2016-12-11 16:30:25] BitMEX_Wally : thiago: Try switching to cross margin
[2016-12-11 16:31:20] BitMEX_Wally : Or just submitting a Close order
[2016-12-11 16:32:09] BitMEX_Wally : It looks like your order to buy was for a quantity bigger than your short position
[2016-12-11 16:33:36] thiago : i have 368
[2016-12-11 16:33:38] thiago : trying to close
[2016-12-11 16:33:48] thiago : at .01070
[2016-12-11 16:33:53] thiago : does not work
[2016-12-11 16:34:10] thiago : order book looks thin
[2016-12-11 16:34:32] thiago : 0.0172 *
[2016-12-11 16:43:25] thiago : funny.. it sells only 7 contracts from time to time
[2016-12-11 16:46:29] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah there's just some fake market maker quoting 7 contracts at a time
[2016-12-11 16:46:42] BitMEX_Wally : I've closed your position on testnet for you
[2016-12-11 16:48:02] thiago : also..
[2016-12-11 16:49:09] thiago : i have two chrome tabs open.. the testnet says 0.0109 ETH7D... here it says 0.01061 ETH7D... what that due to?
[2016-12-11 16:52:40] BitMEX_Wally : They are 2 completely different markets
[2016-12-11 16:52:49] BitMEX_Wally : You can submit orders at whatever price you like
[2016-12-11 17:13:46] rapidtrades : wtf is going on with this rally man
[2016-12-11 17:14:35] Tetsuo : CALM DOWN MAN
[2016-12-11 17:16:10] rapidtrades : IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD
[2016-12-11 17:16:53] Rado : thiago: I can start a test MM bot on ETH7D if you want
[2016-12-11 17:18:13] Rado : rapidtrades: it hasn't been a rally in the past week
[2016-12-11 17:18:17] Rado : it's sideways
[2016-12-11 17:19:34] rapidtrades : it's rally until it breaks brah
[2016-12-11 17:23:01] rapidtrades : Forex spot trading fell to $1.7 trillion per day in April 2016, from $2.0 trillion in 2013
[2016-12-11 17:23:05] rapidtrades : QQ
[2016-12-11 17:23:27] Rado : interesting
[2016-12-11 17:24:16] Rado : what time does the FX market open?
[2016-12-11 17:24:21] Rado : rapidtrades:
[2016-12-11 17:24:23] rapidtrades : lot of banks are exiting the space....bonds too
[2016-12-11 17:24:44] rapidtrades : Rado: at 5pm EST, in 5 hrs
[2016-12-11 17:24:52] Rado : thanks
[2016-12-11 17:24:59] Rado : Binds crash will be huge
[2016-12-11 17:25:02] rapidtrades : that's when most brokers open but liquidity is thin until tokyo
[2016-12-11 17:25:13] rapidtrades : that' 2-3 hrs later
[2016-12-11 18:54:21] thiago : wally?
[2016-12-11 19:24:36] aabtc : based on what?
[2016-12-11 19:58:04] Dtrade16 : Bonds market crashing?
[2016-12-11 19:58:07] Dtrade16 : Why??
[2016-12-11 19:58:21] Dtrade16 : Guys where are the ETH contracts?
[2016-12-11 20:16:43] sleger : under the tab labelled ETH
[2016-12-11 20:30:22] thiago : the price at place order.. the big read an green buttons are.. always at best price on the order book? shouldn't that number change all the time..
[2016-12-11 20:30:34] Tetsuo : Due to upcoming hardfork all ETH contracts will be converted to ETC by the end of next week #bitmex
[2016-12-11 20:33:15] sleger : for free ? seems like a good deal
[2016-12-11 20:38:16] Tetsuo : ETC "a true altruistic alternative"
[2016-12-11 20:39:42] Tetsuo : ETC " This is for the coiners"
[2016-12-11 21:03:08] anonymous789 : etc was the best business decision poloniex ever made
[2016-12-11 21:04:48] thiago : WAKE THE FUCK UP CHINESE DING DONGG
[2016-12-11 21:05:43] thiago : testsuo go on the street and start hitting the cooking pans lol
[2016-12-11 21:24:03] rapidtrades : wtf is this bullshit man
[2016-12-11 21:37:11] Volmetlicht : can i get the night vision more dark? still to bright
[2016-12-11 21:42:02] Tetsuo : Volmetlicht: time to sober up or wear some sunglasses u fukkin drughead
[2016-12-11 21:42:36] Volmetlicht : its a power thing u moron
[2016-12-11 21:43:06] BTCDJS : Volmetlicht: turn the brightness of your monitor down
[2016-12-11 21:43:08] Tetsuo : i know , those dealers promise unlimited energy, but in the end you´re just fukked
[2016-12-11 21:43:35] Volmetlicht : i wish i was fucked, hard
[2016-12-11 21:43:48] Volmetlicht : haha
[2016-12-11 21:44:00] Volmetlicht : mafkees
[2016-12-11 21:45:02] Volmetlicht : i dont need sunglasses for the poloniex night vision
[2016-12-11 21:47:08] Volmetlicht : BTCDJS: already at the lowest, it is not black but greyish poloniex is just fine
[2016-12-11 21:59:04] BTCDJS : Sunglasses then
[2016-12-11 22:00:53] Tetsuo : A punch in the face might also be helpful?
[2016-12-11 22:01:09] Volmetlicht : i think i will switch to other broker
[2016-12-11 22:01:34] Volmetlicht : unacceptable
[2016-12-11 22:01:56] Volmetlicht : just compare it with bitcoinwisdom. thats BLACK
[2016-12-11 22:02:08] Volmetlicht : carppy
[2016-12-11 22:03:04] Volmetlicht : Tetsuo: come over here then, lets see who kicks the hardest u mafkees
[2016-12-11 22:03:35] BTCDJS : Volmetlicht: your name means luminous
[2016-12-11 22:03:57] Volmetlicht : BTCDJS: burning now
[2016-12-11 22:04:46] BTCDJS : ??
[2016-12-11 22:05:12] BTCDJS : It means burning now?
[2016-12-11 22:05:33] Volmetlicht : ok this troll box was a ontimer, and maybe also bitmex, due to the grey night vision. bey
[2016-12-11 22:08:58] Tetsuo : this worked better than expected :relaxed: , don´t forget to tell all your friends
[2016-12-11 22:50:21] justinlooking : Volmetlicht: ymmv https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f5e08426ab808d1bd7575c3c25a1189e
[2016-12-11 22:51:17] Volmetlicht : no thanks
[2016-12-11 22:56:58] justinlooking : it is a bit pikey. i also have petitioned for dark theme to be black
[2016-12-11 23:46:51] mbaril : aahahha there is a bot that is bugged
[2016-12-11 23:52:50] Rado : mbaril: where?
[2016-12-11 23:53:06] mbaril : look at the last transaction here
[2016-12-11 23:53:11] mbaril : buy 1 sell 10
[2016-12-11 23:53:16] mbaril : every 5 sec
[2016-12-11 23:53:36] mbaril : not its over but that was funny
[2016-12-11 23:53:41] Rado : which instrument?
[2016-12-11 23:53:46] Rado : oh I see it
[2016-12-11 23:54:10] Rado : looks like all buys to me
[2016-12-11 23:55:04] Rado : but you are right it does look buggy
[2016-12-12 00:15:39] rms : what's up with the ETC premium here?
[2016-12-12 00:16:33] Rado : people are bullish
[2016-12-12 00:17:20] rms : i guess so... easy to buy ETC on spot though
[2016-12-12 00:17:40] sleger : with 20x leverage ?
[2016-12-12 00:17:50] rms : i guess not
[2016-12-12 00:18:14] sleger : you can be sure
[2016-12-12 00:18:26] rms : 20x leverage will kill you though if you drive it above spot, if the price swings back to the market price you're dead
[2016-12-12 00:20:37] Rado : sleger: hey man
[2016-12-12 00:20:42] Rado : how is it going
[2016-12-12 00:22:02] Gekko : These Trump comments gotta push down RMB....good for BTC
[2016-12-12 00:22:08] Rado : Oil short on this pop working great so far
[2016-12-12 00:26:38] rapidtrades : holy shit we're all dead
[2016-12-12 00:26:54] Rado : rapidtrades: why
[2016-12-12 00:27:14] rapidtrades : IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD MAN
[2016-12-12 00:27:26] Rado : rapidtrades: are you becoming Tesudo
[2016-12-12 00:27:46] Rado : or whatever his nick is
[2016-12-12 00:28:08] rapidtrades : Yuan opens weaker
[2016-12-12 00:30:22] Rado : 6.935
[2016-12-12 00:30:26] Rado : soon new highs
[2016-12-12 00:31:55] rapidtrades : doubtful
[2016-12-12 00:33:19] Rado : Stop hunt algo woken up in USDJPY
[2016-12-12 00:34:15] thiago : lol
[2016-12-12 00:34:24] thiago : tsunomon
[2016-12-12 00:35:03] j8 : sup bitmex
[2016-12-12 00:35:15] Rado : j8: hey
[2016-12-12 00:35:18] l3f : So somebody told me I will be liquidated for going long
[2016-12-12 00:35:24] Rado : where have you been
[2016-12-12 00:35:24] thiago : eth going up WTF
[2016-12-12 00:35:29] thiago : go downnnn mfucker
[2016-12-12 00:35:37] j8 : Rado: just lurking
[2016-12-12 00:36:10] thiago : i cant believe devs took fuck fucker fucking so srsly
[2016-12-12 00:36:30] Rado : pretty slow the last two days
[2016-12-12 00:37:09] j8 : yeah just chop until new quarterlies i think
[2016-12-12 00:37:45] Rado : I think we will see a move before then
[2016-12-12 00:38:01] j8 : a good shakeout would make the most sense
[2016-12-12 00:38:23] Rado : I think we might not get it
[2016-12-12 00:38:35] Rado : Everywhere I go people are calling for a drop
[2016-12-12 00:38:45] Rado : that tells me we might just shoot up
[2016-12-12 00:38:49] j8 : i know, this upward channel is pretty sturdy
[2016-12-12 00:45:53] j8 : if the yuan goes for new lows this week then we could break up pretty easily
[2016-12-12 00:47:17] mjones : etc dumping on polo
[2016-12-12 00:47:32] l3f : You'd think the dollar interest rate rise is already priced in
[2016-12-12 00:59:51] Gekko : would the last guy to sell their RMB please turn off the lights...
[2016-12-12 01:00:08] aethlios : 0.15% up usdcnh
[2016-12-12 01:00:41] aethlios : eur close to support 1.0538, below 1.05 doom for eurusd
[2016-12-12 01:00:48] Gekko : when trump is finished, is trading 7.5
[2016-12-12 01:04:45] l3f : anonymous789: where's my liquidation?
[2016-12-12 01:10:16] Rado : My prediction is that the FED will not raise rates and the USD will crash, BTC and Gold will jump
[2016-12-12 01:11:27] thiago : to the moon
[2016-12-12 01:16:11] aethlios : Rado: if usd crashes, yuan jumps and btc dumps. crazy but stronger usd means stronger btcusd
[2016-12-12 01:16:37] Rado : aethlios: I don't think the correlation is that simple
[2016-12-12 01:16:49] Rado : USD going down is good for BTC
[2016-12-12 01:17:17] Rado : but we will see when it happens
[2016-12-12 01:21:08] aethlios : if usd long term rates keep going up then fed will follow. ecb can't raise rates for next 2 years at least, so usd stronger. also trump's more domestic stimulation policies and trade wars with china will decrease trade deficit with china and make usd stronger. us also produces a lot of oil, so less usd floating abroad.
[2016-12-12 01:22:11] l3f : usd stronger => cny weakens => china pumps bitocin more
[2016-12-12 01:22:11] l3f : alternatively
[2016-12-12 01:22:16] l3f : usd stronger => btc weakens
[2016-12-12 01:22:29] l3f : => china pumps bitcoin more?
[2016-12-12 01:22:32] aethlios : china, because of trump, could see a decrease in exports and it's debt economy to go busty, so will pump new money to avoid deflation and recession.
[2016-12-12 01:29:11] Rado : what you guys mean is that central banking is fucked and BTC will go up either way
[2016-12-12 01:30:29] j8 : fiat is meant to go down. they are all going down, just some faster than others
[2016-12-12 01:32:14] aethlios : many factors except yuan can boost btc, like eurozone break etc.
[2016-12-12 01:37:14] Rado : j8: exactly
[2016-12-12 01:37:22] Rado : fiat is inflationary by design
[2016-12-12 01:37:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 481 @ 0.001206
[2016-12-12 01:37:34] Rado : BTC is deflationary
[2016-12-12 01:37:54] j8 : yep, we just have to stay alive in order to win
[2016-12-12 01:43:29] mjones : bitfinex going up a tiny bit
[2016-12-12 02:02:23] arbitrage001 : good morning, fellow trolls
[2016-12-12 02:02:39] arbitrage001 : how is the weather?
[2016-12-12 02:03:31] arbitrage001 : Rado: dont totally agree btc is deflationary
[2016-12-12 02:03:50] arbitrage001 : boom bust cycle at higher speed
[2016-12-12 02:04:08] arbitrage001 : until better technology comes along
[2016-12-12 02:25:27] Dtrade16 : Guys what are the orange trades on here?
[2016-12-12 02:25:30] Dtrade16 : I don't get it
[2016-12-12 02:42:36] l3f : I don't know how can anyone hate on "The Scoropion King"
[2016-12-12 02:42:44] l3f : such a great movie
[2016-12-12 02:43:22] arbitrage001 : l3f: really old movie, isnt it?
[2016-12-12 02:44:09] arbitrage001 : had good time watching it 1st time
[2016-12-12 02:44:23] arbitrage001 : 2nd or 3rd time, not so much
[2016-12-12 02:44:42] l3f : 2002 is really old now
[2016-12-12 02:44:51] arbitrage001 : yeah
[2016-12-12 02:44:53] l3f : oh you're talking about the super old one?
[2016-12-12 02:44:56] l3f : 1950s?
[2016-12-12 02:45:05] arbitrage001 : by standard, you are dinosaur by mentioning it
[2016-12-12 02:45:15] arbitrage001 : 2002 is really old
[2016-12-12 02:45:23] l3f : Some of the traders here weren't even born!
[2016-12-12 02:45:29] mjones : Go China
[2016-12-12 02:45:46] arbitrage001 : l3f: are you sure?
[2016-12-12 02:45:57] l3f : arbitrage001: esp rapidtrades
[2016-12-12 02:45:59] arbitrage001 : always thought everyone is should be 30+
[2016-12-12 02:46:35] l3f : arbitrage001: you must be 30+
[2016-12-12 02:46:38] arbitrage001 : trading synthetic products here are dangerous
[2016-12-12 02:46:43] arbitrage001 : l3f: yes
[2016-12-12 02:46:58] arbitrage001 : l3f: seen more than 2 mega boom bust cycles
[2016-12-12 02:47:00] l3f : I'm actually 12 btw
[2016-12-12 02:47:08] l3f : jk
[2016-12-12 02:47:36] arbitrage001 : l3f: 99% of the traders or normally business person do not surivive great bust
[2016-12-12 02:47:45] arbitrage001 : my observation
[2016-12-12 02:48:19] arbitrage001 : unless his parents/family bail them out
[2016-12-12 03:23:03] mbaril : do you guys think forcecoin will have a impact tomorrow ?
[2016-12-12 03:23:03] mbaril : :P
[2016-12-12 03:23:07] mbaril : ahaha
[2016-12-12 07:52:14] rapidtrades : mbaril: you can't force the coin!
[2016-12-12 08:26:55] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: feel the force rapid
[2016-12-12 08:28:10] BTCDJS : arbitrage001: So the government is like the banks parents/family?
[2016-12-12 08:29:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2 @ 769.73 :punch: :whale:
[2016-12-12 08:29:19] arbitrage001 : BTCDJS: i am not talking about crony type goverment
[2016-12-12 08:29:30] arbitrage001 : msot people in general
[2016-12-12 08:29:51] arbitrage001 : are not political connected
[2016-12-12 08:31:06] BTCDJS : arbitrage001: Did your mom help you out when you went bust?
[2016-12-12 08:31:20] arbitrage001 : i wish
[2016-12-12 08:31:33] arbitrage001 : have to start over like everyone else
[2016-12-12 08:31:55] BTCDJS : I got lucky
[2016-12-12 08:32:04] arbitrage001 : and starting over from scratch is not easy
[2016-12-12 08:32:22] BTCDJS : I believe you. I feel like I dodged a bullet
[2016-12-12 08:32:22] arbitrage001 : people who have negative wealth have it even harder
[2016-12-12 08:33:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3000 @ 0.001253
[2016-12-12 08:38:55] l3f : 6 dollar premium on Z16
[2016-12-12 08:38:57] l3f : wtf is this bullshit
[2016-12-12 08:40:04] arbitrage001 : l3f: too high or too low?
[2016-12-12 08:40:35] l3f : low
[2016-12-12 08:40:49] arbitrage001 : then buy it up?
[2016-12-12 08:41:45] thomaskikansha : $8 for okc 3M
[2016-12-12 08:42:19] l3f : arbitrage001: I'm already over leveraged
[2016-12-12 08:42:32] l3f : not to mention it'll raise my entry price
[2016-12-12 08:42:49] arbitrage001 : contract will expire in 18 days
[2016-12-12 08:43:05] l3f : arbitrage001: Oh I know
[2016-12-12 08:43:09] arbitrage001 : around 1% premium is still fairly high
[2016-12-12 08:43:14] arbitrage001 : in my view
[2016-12-12 08:44:06] thomaskikansha : etc on the move
[2016-12-12 08:55:32] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: yes its for 18 days
[2016-12-12 08:56:09] arbitrage001 : @rapidtrades but cheaper than margin long on finex
[2016-12-12 08:56:21] arbitrage001 : so, traders need to judge
[2016-12-12 08:57:26] BW^- : what's an idiot's guide to doing variable-time hedges of Bitcoin against USD?
[2016-12-12 08:58:00] arbitrage001 : BW^-: easy way is to short same amount of btc using the future here
[2016-12-12 09:01:44] rapidtrades : time to rollover like a cheap ho bitcoin
[2016-12-12 09:01:59] arbitrage001 : are you short?
[2016-12-12 09:02:10] rapidtrades : here yes overall no
[2016-12-12 09:02:38] arbitrage001 : big rally will increase premium and funding
[2016-12-12 09:02:48] arbitrage001 : that will benefit people like me more
[2016-12-12 09:03:55] rapidtrades : i thought about just going short the swap and going on holiday
[2016-12-12 09:04:11] BW^- : arbitrage001: can you please explain in terms of operations/API calls how I need to do this?
[2016-12-12 09:04:50] rapidtrades : that will give me what 10-20% per annum?
[2016-12-12 09:05:09] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: hard to predict
[2016-12-12 09:05:17] arbitrage001 : what if we are in bear trend
[2016-12-12 09:05:23] BW^- : arbitrage001: so, I have X BTC here in my BTC wallet. i now like to keep those X BTC perfectly stable against the USD, so, at the future time when i'll end this, i'll either have more or less BTC, depending on how the USD developed in relation with the BTC.
[2016-12-12 09:05:27] arbitrage001 : you might end up paying 20%
[2016-12-12 09:05:50] rapidtrades : guess i gotta manage it
[2016-12-12 09:06:22] arbitrage001 : BW^-: both the swap and future here are usd synthetic
[2016-12-12 09:06:47] arbitrage001 : BW^-: if you have 1 btc, you can short 1btc amount of contract to have stable USD
[2016-12-12 09:07:10] arbitrage001 : future have predictable rate, where the swap is un-preditable
[2016-12-12 09:07:28] rapidtrades : futures generally pay less tho
[2016-12-12 09:07:42] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: but stable and predictable
[2016-12-12 09:07:47] arbitrage001 : swap, you might end up paying
[2016-12-12 09:08:03] rapidtrades : do u rotate?
[2016-12-12 09:08:11] arbitrage001 : of coourse
[2016-12-12 09:08:12] BitMEX_Wally : BW^-: you can use the API to submit a Sell order for XBTUSD, sending symbol: "XBTUSD", side: "Sell", simpleOrderQty: X
[2016-12-12 09:08:22] arbitrage001 : MM here probably make a killing rotating them both
[2016-12-12 09:09:14] rapidtrades : dont see how....if we rally both premiums/funding will go up
[2016-12-12 09:09:34] arbitrage001 : they can long future and short swap
[2016-12-12 09:09:45] BitMEX_Wally : You can also set leverage to 1x using the frontend or API, /9
[2016-12-12 09:09:56] BitMEX_Wally : , so you will never be liquidated
[2016-12-12 09:09:57] arbitrage001 : or short future and long swap
[2016-12-12 09:10:52] arbitrage001 : one side funding the other
[2016-12-12 09:12:48] BW^- : arbitrage001: what more currencies than USD are well supported, where's list? EUR? RMB?
[2016-12-12 09:13:07] arbitrage001 : BW^-: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBCZ16
[2016-12-12 09:13:15] arbitrage001 : the new product rmb
[2016-12-12 09:13:28] arbitrage001 : and yen on the top of the window
[2016-12-12 09:36:44] BW^- : arbitrage001: wait, what more, RMB, YEN, USD, which more?
[2016-12-12 09:37:26] arbitrage001 : BW^-: are you log on bitmex?
[2016-12-12 09:37:41] arbitrage001 : the tab on the top have all the products and contracts
[2016-12-12 09:46:49] BW^- : arbitrage001: I see in the left column, "Contracts". it says "XBTUSD", "XBC (Bitcoin / Yuan)", "XBJ (Bitcoin / Yen)".
[2016-12-12 09:46:59] BW^- : arbitrage001: I don't see the word EUR, CHF, USD, or anything like that anywhere?
[2016-12-12 09:49:48] arbitrage001 : xbtusd is price quoted against usd
[2016-12-12 09:49:55] arbitrage001 : there is no eur or chf here
[2016-12-12 09:50:09] l3f : So yesterday some people in no uncertain terms said my long positon was going to get liquidated because of a 1% fakeout
[2016-12-12 09:50:15] l3f : fucking lol
[2016-12-12 09:52:27] rms : i mean we're all just staring at the 1M chart this could be nothing again...
[2016-12-12 09:52:57] BW^- : arbitrage001: aha. just for my navigation, what would be services where I could hedge the BTC against the EUR and more currencies?
[2016-12-12 09:53:37] arbitrage001 : BW^-: you can only hedge usd, yen and rmb here
[2016-12-12 09:53:59] BW^- : arbitrage001: ah i mean like, other businesses where I could?
[2016-12-12 09:54:08] BW^- : arbitrage001: anyhow - also, I could hedge USD against EUR elsewher.
[2016-12-12 09:54:25] rms : kraken ?
[2016-12-12 09:55:04] arbitrage001 : BW^-: in btc, you can try kraken for mroe currency pairs
[2016-12-12 09:55:32] arbitrage001 : BW^-: to hedge one currency against another currency, you should try discount or forex brokers in your country
[2016-12-12 09:57:53] BW^- : mm.
[2016-12-12 10:08:23] BW^- : arbitrage001: right.
[2016-12-12 10:08:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 260 @ 0.010780
[2016-12-12 10:08:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 7 @ 0.010850
[2016-12-12 10:12:46] BW^- : arbitrage001: for me to get the point
[2016-12-12 10:13:27] BW^- : arbitrage001: say that I have these X BTC now then, and I would like them to follow the USD value exactly, up to a future point at which I'll say "stop" and I would like to use my now-Y BTC (which will be higher or lower than X depending on how the BTC-USD value grew).
[2016-12-12 10:14:18] BW^- : arbitrage001: which are the total fees that BitMex will apply for deposit, start, per amount of time passed, end withdraw?
[2016-12-12 10:14:29] BW^- : arbitrage001: also, how many BTC do I need to deposit with BitMex?
[2016-12-12 10:14:52] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Wally: Are you still around?
[2016-12-12 10:15:28] arbitrage001 : BW^-: those details questions are better answer by bitmex staff
[2016-12-12 10:16:15] arbitrage001 : BW^-: should read:
[2016-12-12 10:16:17] arbitrage001 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/XBT
[2016-12-12 10:17:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCZ16`: Buy 1355 @ 5486.200000
[2016-12-12 10:17:28] l3f : HAHA holy fuck
[2016-12-12 10:17:31] l3f : based china
[2016-12-12 10:17:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 74700 @ 785.86 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-12-12 10:17:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 30000 @ 783.25
[2016-12-12 10:17:32] REKT : :btc: :rocket: :crescent_moon:
[2016-12-12 10:17:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 55000 @ 783.45 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-12-12 10:17:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 50000 @ 784.16 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-12-12 10:17:41] l3f : You doubted me
[2016-12-12 10:17:58] l3f : +2.9464 XBT (27.96%)
[2016-12-12 10:17:59] arbitrage001 : l3f: on?
[2016-12-12 10:18:05] l3f : Check logs
[2016-12-12 10:18:13] arbitrage001 : premium too low?
[2016-12-12 10:18:31] l3f : Not you
[2016-12-12 10:19:41] arbitrage001 : go go !
[2016-12-12 10:19:51] arbitrage001 : i will rotate again
[2016-12-12 10:20:07] l3f : "[2016-12-11 10:28:59] anonymous789 : l3f: you will be liquidated soon enough"
[2016-12-12 10:22:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 33069 @ 786.70
[2016-12-12 10:24:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 500 @ 787.24
[2016-12-12 10:24:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 16500 @ 787.94
[2016-12-12 10:24:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCZ16`: Buy 3560 @ 5544.600000
[2016-12-12 10:24:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCZ16`: Buy 18 @ 5549.400000
[2016-12-12 10:24:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 200 @ 775.98
[2016-12-12 10:24:57] l3f : HOLY FUCK
[2016-12-12 10:25:01] l3f : FUCKKK
[2016-12-12 10:25:39] l3f : #rip
[2016-12-12 10:26:04] arbitrage001 : l3f: you going to take your profit?
[2016-12-12 10:26:20] arbitrage001 : or are you going to wait til the profit is gone?
[2016-12-12 10:26:37] BW^- : arbitrage001: can you give me your best guess?
[2016-12-12 10:26:47] arbitrage001 : BW^-: on?
[2016-12-12 10:26:55] BW^- : arbitrage001: the X BTC USD thing I just said
[2016-12-12 10:27:15] arbitrage001 : BW^-: you need to read the contract specification
[2016-12-12 10:27:25] arbitrage001 : BW^-: before you trade
[2016-12-12 10:27:33] billyboy402 : i am pretty sure bitmex has a bot that tell the market maker when user about to margin call
[2016-12-12 10:27:45] arbitrage001 : billyboy402: how so
[2016-12-12 10:28:04] arbitrage001 : why do they not rekt other using in house bot
[2016-12-12 10:28:13] arbitrage001 : and let other benefit
[2016-12-12 10:31:10] l3f : arbitrage001: I'm selling now
[2016-12-12 10:31:58] aethlios : the great march to previous ATH started. Long live the king btc.
[2016-12-12 10:32:03] mjones : Yes btc pumped
[2016-12-12 10:32:10] mjones : And i am long
[2016-12-12 10:33:39] aethlios : above 800 spot bulls will attack wit severe power force.
[2016-12-12 10:34:12] arbitrage001 : go premium go !
[2016-12-12 10:34:28] rms : this pump has been slow though
[2016-12-12 10:34:39] l3f : dat dislocation
[2016-12-12 10:34:40] mjones : Etc up too
[2016-12-12 10:34:40] arbitrage001 : less than 0.5% move?
[2016-12-12 10:34:52] rms : i'm praying for a week of gains of $20/day and no $100 gain days, at least for a little bit
[2016-12-12 10:35:09] rms : which i think makes us more likely to ultimately get higher...
[2016-12-12 10:35:24] mjones : $6 to $12 higher on xbtz16
[2016-12-12 10:35:29] arbitrage001 : less than 1% movement
[2016-12-12 10:35:36] arbitrage001 : and we all got excited
[2016-12-12 10:35:44] aethlios : brak out daily candle will have a 70 to 90 usd body.
[2016-12-12 10:35:56] mjones : I'm up 100% in my long
[2016-12-12 10:36:17] ett1 : big breakout if it clears 780
[2016-12-12 10:36:18] aethlios : stamp needs 2.7 usd more to make new high since summer high
[2016-12-12 10:36:48] aethlios : ett1: yes 780-800 strong resistance zone.
[2016-12-12 10:37:04] ett1 : it wants to break
[2016-12-12 10:37:53] arbitrage001 : just when i am about to go to bed
[2016-12-12 10:38:03] arbitrage001 : this happen
[2016-12-12 10:39:01] aethlios : needs to penetrate 780-800 zone with massive force. (force= volume). The largest battle will be the siege of 1,150-1,200 previous ATH. After that done, then the long march to 10,000 will begin.
[2016-12-12 10:39:55] ett1 : BTC was always going to go to 10,000. Breaking 800 is inevitable. looks like the time has come
[2016-12-12 10:40:11] +1 : aethlios: 10,000?
[2016-12-12 10:40:29] ett1 : 100 sounded silly
[2016-12-12 10:40:56] aethlios : this time maybe keep slowly up to 10,000 in 2 years. I don't think this time will be short and fast like 120 to 1,200. Now many exchanges also derivatives, so a more healthy and sustainable slow bull market to 10,000 (at least) in 2 years.
[2016-12-12 10:41:47] arbitrage001 : aethlios: have you ever seen a tree grow taller than sky?
[2016-12-12 10:42:13] aethlios : arbitrage001: not yet.
[2016-12-12 10:44:41] ett1 : ive watched my dick grow bigger than artibrage001's
[2016-12-12 10:45:02] arbitrage001 : ett1: i have small dick
[2016-12-12 10:45:15] arbitrage001 : most people is longer than mine
[2016-12-12 10:45:30] ett1 : hes 14
[2016-12-12 10:48:01] l3f : arbitrage001: I've fully closed
[2016-12-12 10:48:04] l3f : that 112k
[2016-12-12 10:48:14] arbitrage001 : l3f: nice profit
[2016-12-12 10:48:22] l3f : arbitrage001: aye
[2016-12-12 10:48:22] arbitrage001 : let me know next time you visit my town
[2016-12-12 10:48:29] arbitrage001 : dinner on you, i presume?
[2016-12-12 10:48:33] l3f : haha
[2016-12-12 10:48:59] ett1 : should let it ride!
[2016-12-12 10:49:10] ett1 : gonna get back in if it breaks 780?
[2016-12-12 10:49:11] l3f : ett1: that's gambling
[2016-12-12 10:49:26] l3f : heavy resistance at 777
[2016-12-12 10:49:29] l3f : it didn't break
[2016-12-12 10:49:34] l3f : it'll bounce off the top
[2016-12-12 10:49:38] Dtrade16 : Guys what is the difference between the red and green in the order book?
[2016-12-12 10:49:55] immackay : Dtrade16: what do you think
[2016-12-12 10:49:58] l3f : ett1: if you are ballzy, you should enter a short now
[2016-12-12 10:50:05] ett1 : buy is green, red is sell
[2016-12-12 10:50:22] Dtrade16 : Ok like I'm looking at the ETH7D
[2016-12-12 10:50:25] ett1 : nah no way. bitcoin tells you when its going up
[2016-12-12 10:50:29] immackay : ett1: what colour is sell
[2016-12-12 10:50:35] Dtrade16 : There's 5 red and 5 green numbers
[2016-12-12 10:50:42] ett1 : sell is red
[2016-12-12 10:50:44] Dtrade16 : What is that?
[2016-12-12 10:51:04] Dtrade16 : So people are selling the 0.01090 contract for example?
[2016-12-12 10:51:17] immackay : Dtrade16: I believe that's the amount of orders at that intended price
[2016-12-12 10:51:44] Dtrade16 : What?
[2016-12-12 10:51:53] Dtrade16 : Why are 5 green and 5 red tho?
[2016-12-12 10:51:56] ett1 : yes its showing the order depth
[2016-12-12 10:52:00] immackay : Dtrade16: the "spread", so to speak
[2016-12-12 10:52:03] Dtrade16 : The red is being sold?
[2016-12-12 10:52:11] immackay : 5 each is just a quirk of bitmex
[2016-12-12 10:52:24] ett1 : the orderbook is the orders waiting to be executed
[2016-12-12 10:52:28] immackay : if you go to https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btcchina/btccny for example
[2016-12-12 10:52:41] ett1 : somebody could be selling 100 of BTC at 780
[2016-12-12 10:52:43] Dtrade16 : Why are some numbers green and some red though?