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[2016-12-07 02:01:39] arbitrage001 : if i am a developer, my goal will change as soon as i get rich
[2016-12-07 02:01:47] arbitrage001 : just sell and quit
[2016-12-07 02:01:53] arbitrage001 : retire in hawaii
[2016-12-07 02:01:57] mjones : yeah
[2016-12-07 02:02:59] mjones : that's why anon coin needs to be on all exchanges, localbitcoins needs to expand to offer an anon coin. the anon coin needs to offer somethings to make people interested
[2016-12-07 02:03:11] rms : why hawaii?
[2016-12-07 02:03:50] rms : i think zcash will get a lot of support from the silicon valley community that funded it
[2016-12-07 02:03:56] arbitrage001 : just something someone usually said when they get rich
[2016-12-07 02:03:57] rms : and that will help with buzz a lot compared to XMR
[2016-12-07 02:04:23] rms : ;) hawaii is like america, too expensive, even when you're rich
[2016-12-07 02:04:32] arbitrage001 : is it?
[2016-12-07 02:05:16] rms : yeah... i would recommend retiring to whichever southeast asian country has your favorite food
[2016-12-07 02:05:29] rms : let me know when i can invest in your shitcoin
[2016-12-07 02:06:14] mjones : and i suppose you can quietly accumulate ZEC as people come around to BTC and then anon coins
[2016-12-07 02:06:54] rms : and i guess people say xmr will probably always be faster than zec but zero knowledge proofs just sound cool
[2016-12-07 02:08:19] mjones : with china invested so much into BTC i dont know if they will ever add another coin
[2016-12-07 02:09:34] rms : well at least until people figure out that the blockchain is immutable and that it takes a lot of work to move millions of dollars secretly
[2016-12-07 02:11:06] mjones : true. that will be cool to transfer money around and no one can see it or tell you sent some
[2016-12-07 02:14:52] sleger : how do you trace money going from exchange wallet to exchange wallet ?
[2016-12-07 02:16:48] rms : it's hard if the transfers were always BTC
[2016-12-07 02:17:01] rms : but if someone dealt in electronic fiat money there would be KYC information
[2016-12-07 02:19:20] mjones : you can transfer btc around in a way that it'll be near impossible to trace
[2016-12-07 02:22:27] sleger : just for instance, create new account at bitmex, send btc, withdraw btc to other address, done
[2016-12-07 02:26:37] cookielito : When the hell we gonna drop a bit here
[2016-12-07 02:26:38] cookielito : ?
[2016-12-07 02:30:50] mjones : most likely wont
[2016-12-07 02:37:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 424 @ 0.009650
[2016-12-07 02:49:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.009680
[2016-12-07 02:52:56] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.8808 (vs. yesterday at 6.8575)
[2016-12-07 02:53:28] rapidtrades : shooting up to 6.90 atm
[2016-12-07 02:53:41] rapidtrades : that's offshore tho...prolly not gonna last
[2016-12-07 03:21:05] Dtrade16 : Any way you guys can make the chat font bigger?
[2016-12-07 03:22:43] mjones : it is a tad small but for my young eyes it doesnt matter.
[2016-12-07 03:36:01] mjones : test
[2016-12-07 03:36:31] mjones : 0.01 became resistance for ETH. lets see how long it lasts before pumping again
[2016-12-07 03:43:43] gank : mjones: eth bumping again??? haha
[2016-12-07 03:44:01] gank : every alt bumped because a hackear was trading his stolen money, check the news
[2016-12-07 03:44:28] mjones : we dont know for sure how much of each coin though
[2016-12-07 03:45:14] gank : he already bumped everything by exchanging the stolen coins into altcoins, look at the 24h volume
[2016-12-07 03:46:07] mjones : he dumped alts for btc then btc back into alts
[2016-12-07 03:48:22] shiroe : NO pumps on eth beyod 0.01. Seems floor is 0.005.
[2016-12-07 03:48:44] gank : shiroe: I think floor is 0.7 like the floor we all were expecting before
[2016-12-07 03:49:08] gank : maybe 0.8, a bit higher because of the unexpected bump
[2016-12-07 03:49:18] shiroe : Probably. We test the floor times before we go up again.
[2016-12-07 03:49:25] shiroe : 3 times.
[2016-12-07 03:49:27] gank : agreed
[2016-12-07 03:51:59] elmorte : username123: yea, if you want to short limit above the current price, you use the Take Profit Limit
[2016-12-07 03:56:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `WINZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.002476
[2016-12-07 03:58:39] rapidtrades : domo in 2 mins
[2016-12-07 03:59:13] rapidtrades : limit down on WIN? I am dissapoint
[2016-12-07 04:00:10] rapidtrades : SELL EVERYTHING
[2016-12-07 04:00:43] Rado : rapidtrades: wasup man
[2016-12-07 04:00:49] rapidtrades : nm
[2016-12-07 04:00:53] Rado : was busy all day
[2016-12-07 04:00:57] Rado : finally home
[2016-12-07 04:01:07] Rado : running the MM bot on testnet
[2016-12-07 04:01:15] Rado : needs more work, but very promissing
[2016-12-07 04:01:17] rapidtrades : nice
[2016-12-07 04:01:25] Rado : promising
[2016-12-07 04:01:54] Rado : anything moving
[2016-12-07 04:01:57] Rado : alts or FX
[2016-12-07 04:02:08] Rado : oh I also opened an account with SimpleFX
[2016-12-07 04:02:24] Rado : did a couple of trades on FX and Oil and Gold
[2016-12-07 04:02:31] Rado : it's a lot of fun
[2016-12-07 04:02:40] Rado : they have 500x leverage
[2016-12-07 04:02:43] Rado : crazy
[2016-12-07 04:02:50] miramm1115 : Rado: MM is easy until there is a strong trend and volatility
[2016-12-07 04:02:59] Rado : miramm1115: I know
[2016-12-07 04:03:06] Rado : that's why it needs a lot of testing
[2016-12-07 04:03:12] rapidtrades : Rado: yeah 500/1 looks crazy but most currencies move 0.5-1% per day
[2016-12-07 04:03:14] miramm1115 : yep
[2016-12-07 04:03:15] Rado : and writing the part to handle the move
[2016-12-07 04:03:34] Rado : miramm1115: what do you do?
[2016-12-07 04:03:43] rapidtrades : the ones that are more volatile like the Ruble require more margin
[2016-12-07 04:03:52] shiroe : Rado: is site goood? i like 500x leverage.
[2016-12-07 04:04:12] rapidtrades : u can still get 500/1 at most offshore forex brokers
[2016-12-07 04:04:26] rapidtrades : prolly not gonna last long though
[2016-12-07 04:04:48] Rado : shiroe: I like what have seen so far
[2016-12-07 04:04:52] Rado : it seems fine
[2016-12-07 04:05:05] Rado : I tried some small trades and one bigger trade
[2016-12-07 04:05:07] shiroe : Will try. Thanks
[2016-12-07 04:05:18] miramm1115 : all kind of stuff: hedging, volatility adjustments, taking liquidity when needed etc. @Rado
[2016-12-07 04:05:57] Rado : miramm1115: so lets say one side hits the limt
[2016-12-07 04:06:08] Rado : all orders for that side are removed
[2016-12-07 04:06:44] gank : 50 btc buy wall @ poloniex :0
[2016-12-07 04:06:45] Rado : then do you move the other side with the market to try to get back to neutral
[2016-12-07 04:07:35] rapidtrades : i think he means what do u do when bitfinex gets hacked or china bans bitcoin
[2016-12-07 04:07:40] Rado : miramm1115: do you adjust orders on every run based on the new bid/ask?
[2016-12-07 04:07:44] rapidtrades : when price crashes down 40%
[2016-12-07 04:08:14] Rado : rapidtrades: you get filled up to your limit for that side
[2016-12-07 04:08:21] Rado : then try to get out when you can
[2016-12-07 04:08:39] rapidtrades : right but in a downtrend asks are hard to fill
[2016-12-07 04:08:45] rapidtrades : a strong downtrend
[2016-12-07 04:09:08] Rado : I know
[2016-12-07 04:09:18] miramm1115 : Rado: if you hit max delta simply moving asks/bids to get to neutral is a recipe for big losses. it's that simple
[2016-12-07 04:09:23] miramm1115 : *not that simple
[2016-12-07 04:09:48] Rado : a lot of things need to happen
[2016-12-07 04:09:57] rapidtrades : u gotta take big losses when u do MM i think
[2016-12-07 04:10:02] rapidtrades : it comes with the territory
[2016-12-07 04:10:11] Rado : but starting with the basics and then will add on
[2016-12-07 04:10:16] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: no if you do it right
[2016-12-07 04:10:25] rapidtrades : u make money 95% of days then u get f*cked on the rest
[2016-12-07 04:10:40] rapidtrades : miramm1115: explain?
[2016-12-07 04:11:05] Rado : rapidtrades: a strategy of a MM bot could be that on a fast move you pull your orders all together
[2016-12-07 04:11:32] rapidtrades : but u would already be filled if its a fast move
[2016-12-07 04:12:28] Rado : yes
[2016-12-07 04:12:29] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: you have to hedge to minimize losses on big moves and you don't accumulate big positions at all
[2016-12-07 04:12:39] Rado : depends on how far your orders are apart as well
[2016-12-07 04:13:05] elmorte : build in a circuit breaker based on time elapsed & % change
[2016-12-07 04:13:22] rapidtrades : ok but hedging prematurely will limit ur gains...so u just alter ur distribution of wins/losses @miramm1115
[2016-12-07 04:13:29] rapidtrades : but the overall expectancy doesn't change
[2016-12-07 04:14:46] miramm1115 : yes, it's a tradeoff but there are lots of things you can do to reduce the cost of hedging
[2016-12-07 04:15:06] elmorte : And make order sizes smaller, so it doesn't get filled too quickly and you max out your position too early
[2016-12-07 04:15:12] rapidtrades : like what? sell far-out futures? @miramm1115
[2016-12-07 04:16:16] miramm1115 : if you run MMs on multiple markets, including futures, you can skew MMs short/long based on market conditions and available liqiudity
[2016-12-07 04:16:26] gank : can I buy without leverage?
[2016-12-07 04:16:33] gank : I mean, buy to take the coins out?
[2016-12-07 04:16:45] rapidtrades : no only btc
[2016-12-07 04:16:53] rms : rep is pumping after someone sold 40btc worth...
[2016-12-07 04:18:29] rapidtrades : miramm1115: ok but we're talking about how do u handle days like NOV 3rd for example...i don't see how using multiple markets help cos your bids will get filled on all
[2016-12-07 04:19:19] rapidtrades : or SEPT11...even better example
[2016-12-07 04:21:01] rapidtrades : actually that looks like a BTC-E spike...AUG2 would be bitfinex hack day
[2016-12-07 04:21:15] miramm1115 : nov. 3rd was one of the most profitable days for me
[2016-12-07 04:21:36] rapidtrades : interesting
[2016-12-07 04:21:58] miramm1115 : sept. 11-12 as well
[2016-12-07 04:22:34] j8 : i heard the one on sept 11 was an inside job
[2016-12-07 04:23:40] miramm1115 : bitfinex hack day was a loss of course
[2016-12-07 04:24:28] rapidtrades : right so u only get hurt during extreme days like 40% down?
[2016-12-07 04:24:58] miramm1115 : yeah, or hacks when you just lose % of your trading capital
[2016-12-07 04:25:03] Rado : hey j8
[2016-12-07 04:25:25] Rado : miramm1115: what timezone do you set your server to?
[2016-12-07 04:25:29] Rado : does it matter?
[2016-12-07 04:25:42] miramm1115 : UTC but I don't see how it matters
[2016-12-07 04:25:52] Rado : I want to run ntp sync
[2016-12-07 04:26:06] miramm1115 : UTC makes everything easier
[2016-12-07 04:26:10] Rado : the tutorial I am reading is saying to setup timezone first
[2016-12-07 04:26:16] Rado : agree
[2016-12-07 04:26:39] rapidtrades : miramm1115: how much of a loss was bitfinex hack day? how many days of gains did u lose
[2016-12-07 04:26:48] Rado : BitMEX is running based on UTC right?
[2016-12-07 04:26:53] rapidtrades : not including the funds confiscated by bitfinex
[2016-12-07 04:27:24] rapidtrades : Rado: yes
[2016-12-07 04:30:16] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: I do weekly account reconciliations, and weekly loss on bitfinex hack week was less than average weekly profit, not counting confiscated funds
[2016-12-07 04:31:27] rapidtrades : well that's surprising
[2016-12-07 04:31:47] miramm1115 : not really
[2016-12-07 04:32:30] rapidtrades : so u don't have a max drawdown figure for that day?
[2016-12-07 04:32:41] rapidtrades : did it ever got scary?
[2016-12-07 04:33:47] rapidtrades : did u think 'oh shit i better turn everything off'
[2016-12-07 04:34:08] miramm1115 : it's never scary, I can lose all trading capital on couple of exchanges and it's not going to be scary ;-)
[2016-12-07 04:34:44] miramm1115 : if you are too scared to sleep well you're doing it wrong :smile:
[2016-12-07 04:36:11] elmorte : Translation: you need a bigger piggy bank @rapidtrades
[2016-12-07 04:37:58] miramm1115 : it's crypto, you have to be fully prepared for an exchange to disappear at any moment. it's going to hurt if for example okc disappears but I'll survive
[2016-12-07 04:38:58] rapidtrades : my preparation is sticking with >5x leverage
[2016-12-07 04:39:09] rapidtrades : they can't get what u don't put online
[2016-12-07 04:39:45] rapidtrades : preferably >20x
[2016-12-07 04:40:18] rapidtrades : miramm1115: are u making markets on kraken?
[2016-12-07 04:40:36] miramm1115 : no, I don't like kraken
[2016-12-07 04:41:22] rapidtrades : why
[2016-12-07 04:44:54] miramm1115 : no realtime data feed and API issues during fast moves
[2016-12-07 04:45:14] rapidtrades : dam...
[2016-12-07 04:45:34] miramm1115 : they need to license trading engine from bitmex :smile:
[2016-12-07 04:49:49] Rado : miramm1115: no, we need to keep it for our self
[2016-12-07 04:49:50] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-07 04:50:22] gank : here we go, eth dump again
[2016-12-07 05:09:39] Dtrade16 : boom
[2016-12-07 05:10:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 36594 @ 753.57
[2016-12-07 05:10:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 752.65
[2016-12-07 05:18:37] tard : hashtag dump it. https://twitter.com/CollinCrypto/status/806363379283689472
[2016-12-07 06:06:56] gank : monero crashing hard
[2016-12-07 06:33:30] zanza : This is good for Bitcoin tard
[2016-12-07 06:37:43] elmorte : SEPA - is it same day or next day? Anyone know?
[2016-12-07 06:40:06] gank : zanza: monero crashing is good for me, I just shorted it :)
[2016-12-07 06:45:14] brouk : elmorte: i think SEPA can take up to 5 days, depends on the banks
[2016-12-07 06:46:51] elmorte : brouk: Oh man....SWIFT payments don't take that long
[2016-12-07 06:54:43] brouk : yeah I once deposited to Kraken with SEPA and it took 3 days if I remember correctly
[2016-12-07 06:56:31] elmorte : Thanks bud
[2016-12-07 07:40:57] imperial : goodday all. am new here.
[2016-12-07 07:42:05] elmorte : gday mate
[2016-12-07 07:43:24] CaptainDean : Polo having issues on my side
[2016-12-07 07:43:48] Tetsuo : Hacked and robbed?
[2016-12-07 07:44:05] CaptainDean : i can't see any trade atm
[2016-12-07 07:44:32] CaptainDean : still moving at bitcoinswisdom
[2016-12-07 07:44:46] brouk : CaptainDean: me too
[2016-12-07 07:47:58] elmorte : I usually switch to the mobile version when it starts acting up
[2016-12-07 09:04:44] donchard : pls can anyone guide me on using bot
[2016-12-07 09:07:07] donchard : hi house
[2016-12-07 09:07:21] arbitrage001 : donchard: hard work
[2016-12-07 09:07:26] arbitrage001 : on learning bot
[2016-12-07 09:07:48] arbitrage001 : have you check:
[2016-12-07 09:07:50] arbitrage001 : https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker
[2016-12-07 09:10:21] donchard : okay sir do i run the bot on github
[2016-12-07 09:11:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: Buy 77 @ 0.004670
[2016-12-07 09:11:37] arbitrage001 : you run it on your pc or using hosting
[2016-12-07 09:12:42] donchard : okay so only documention is on github
[2016-12-07 09:13:36] arbitrage001 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiOverview
[2016-12-07 09:16:29] donchard : okay tnx
[2016-12-07 09:17:31] haxmb : donchard: do you have any programming experience?
[2016-12-07 09:18:12] wurstgelee : haxmb: lol :)
[2016-12-07 09:18:18] wurstgelee : whats wrong with running bots on github?
[2016-12-07 09:18:32] donchard : no
[2016-12-07 09:18:40] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: you can run bots on github?
[2016-12-07 09:19:09] arbitrage001 : not familiar with github here
[2016-12-07 09:19:11] wurstgelee : no?
[2016-12-07 09:19:15] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-12-07 09:19:18] arbitrage001 : no clue
[2016-12-07 09:19:26] donchard : i dont pls help me
[2016-12-07 09:20:10] wurstgelee : donchard: if u dont know what to do with https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker , u probably shouldnt think about using a bot
[2016-12-07 09:21:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.009600
[2016-12-07 09:21:56] donchard : wurstgelee: i can see the bot but cant edit and run it
[2016-12-07 09:22:14] wurstgelee : donchard: that was my point ;)
[2016-12-07 09:23:22] donchard : wurstgelee: pls help
[2016-12-07 09:23:31] BitMEX_Wally : wurstgelee: What happens when you follow the getting started help? https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker#getting-started
[2016-12-07 09:25:14] donchard : BitMEX_Wally: is it the step to step guide
[2016-12-07 09:25:17] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, I meant @donchard
[2016-12-07 09:25:43] BitMEX_Wally : donchard: If you do not know how to clone a Github repository and code in Python then the sample market making bot will be of no use to you
[2016-12-07 09:27:15] donchard : BitMEX_Wally: any help on how to clone one
[2016-12-07 09:27:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 30000 @ 768.97
[2016-12-07 09:28:05] BitMEX_Wally : Try running `git clone`
[2016-12-07 09:30:17] donchard : kk i willl check tutorial on google
[2016-12-07 09:46:17] KingTuna : why is the pricing source here Poloinex, yet the prices are way off it?
[2016-12-07 09:46:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 1 @ 771.11 :punch: :whale:
[2016-12-07 09:46:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 75510 @ 771.36 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-12-07 09:46:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 100 @ 771.88
[2016-12-07 09:47:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 1000 @ 772.14
[2016-12-07 09:47:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.009430
[2016-12-07 09:49:10] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-12-07 09:49:18] rapidtrades : fomo retards
[2016-12-07 09:50:26] anonymous789 : daily still looks bearish short term
[2016-12-07 09:51:17] anonymous789 : SMA on the bbands btc/cny has gone sideways
[2016-12-07 09:51:52] KingTuna : BTC looking good
[2016-12-07 09:52:18] rapidtrades : anonymous789: i disagree, daily still bullish
[2016-12-07 09:52:29] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: oh what basis?
[2016-12-07 09:52:34] rapidtrades : but only reason for this rally was weak yuan and now that's gone
[2016-12-07 09:52:53] anonymous789 : i think if we see a bullish engulfing candle on the daily, that fully retraces the 5th december bear candle, then we can say bullish
[2016-12-07 09:53:36] anonymous789 : until then, i think these are great places to start going short
[2016-12-07 09:53:47] anonymous789 : with target around 5100-5200 cny
[2016-12-07 09:54:00] rapidtrades : i don't like patterns but if u draw a simple trendline u can see we are still bullish
[2016-12-07 09:54:21] anonymous789 : uptrend is broken the cny?
[2016-12-07 09:55:14] anonymous789 : these levels are below the trendline just barely now, indicating that the previous trendline is a resistance area
[2016-12-07 09:57:13] anonymous789 : btw i am talking very short term here
[2016-12-07 09:57:25] anonymous789 : i'm not talking about the longer uptrend with the support around 700
[2016-12-07 09:57:49] rapidtrades : i generally hold more long-term
[2016-12-07 09:58:04] rapidtrades : i've been net long since 614
[2016-12-07 09:58:20] anonymous789 : net long is best
[2016-12-07 09:58:35] anonymous789 : bitcoin still going up, but i think short term can make some money off shorting at these levels
[2016-12-07 09:58:54] rapidtrades : i'm not good at that game tbh :)
[2016-12-07 09:59:17] arbitrage001 : this is just less than 1.5% movement
[2016-12-07 09:59:17] anonymous789 : only robots are :P
[2016-12-07 09:59:48] anonymous789 : arbitrage001: 1.5% at 5x/10x leverage is decent
[2016-12-07 10:04:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 20 @ 0.009550
[2016-12-07 10:50:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `REP7D`: Buy 1751 @ 0.003950
[2016-12-07 10:51:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `REP7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.003977
[2016-12-07 11:02:13] rms : is there a way to see the total amount of trade fees and interest i have paid on my account without crunching it from the csv?
[2016-12-07 11:05:14] rapidtrades : rms: I don't think so :)
[2016-12-07 11:20:12] brouk : is there a way to see volume traded on each candlestick?
[2016-12-07 11:20:56] rapidtrades : brouk: trading view?
[2016-12-07 11:21:31] TB : brouk: hit the + on the chart
[2016-12-07 11:23:09] brouk : TB: thank you
[2016-12-07 11:28:33] elmorte : Where is the + on the chart?
[2016-12-07 11:29:01] brouk : elmorte: top left corner
[2016-12-07 11:29:32] elmorte : Got it, thx!
[2016-12-07 12:26:09] rapidtrades : so bitcoin is never gonna go down huh
[2016-12-07 12:26:11] rapidtrades : 2 months now
[2016-12-07 12:26:33] rapidtrades : this is the longest trend on daily
[2016-12-07 12:47:16] l3f : rapidtrades: always bet on BITCOIN. YEAH!
[2016-12-07 12:51:51] aethlios : 13 eur premium for btc on kraken, above stamp or finex 762 price. this means something maybe.
[2016-12-07 12:54:38] aethlios : also stamp eur price 721 and coinsbank 722. so btc in eur in an almost 2% premium across exchanges.
[2016-12-07 13:07:55] rapidtrades : yes i noticed that
[2016-12-07 13:08:32] rapidtrades : aethlios: hey u prolly answered this before but i forgot, how long did it take to issue your card
[2016-12-07 13:08:42] rapidtrades : like before they sent it in the mail
[2016-12-07 13:09:58] aethlios : I chose the white labeled which came with a courier vary fast, in 3 days. they have very nice box with a pen etc.
[2016-12-07 13:11:25] rms : watching the little zcash increase... if we break through .07 it might get interesting really fast
[2016-12-07 13:12:07] aethlios : rapidtrades: if you spend with the card and keep your money in btc, they convert your btc to the bid, so you should better trade first and keep the money in eur. this way you don't pay 1% which is the bid ask spread
[2016-12-07 13:12:19] rapidtrades : aethlios: ok tnx
[2016-12-07 13:12:36] rapidtrades : i emailed them and they say issuing can take a week...cos of their bank
[2016-12-07 13:13:12] rapidtrades : shipping is fast cos its dhl
[2016-12-07 13:14:24] rapidtrades : btw the BTC/JPY is bid up even higher then the Euro, across all Yen platforms
[2016-12-07 13:14:46] aethlios : rapidtrades: one more thing, there is an account called cashback. they will deposit there a 0.6% returrn for every spend you do. this cashback can be used to pay automatically the cash ATM withdraw fee, so spending from POS or withdraw cash is free.
[2016-12-07 13:15:59] rapidtrades : it should be 0.76% now cos it's tied to bitcoin right?
[2016-12-07 13:19:38] aethlios : rapidtrades: yes.
[2016-12-07 13:20:23] rapidtrades : their support is kinda retarded
[2016-12-07 13:20:55] rapidtrades : but i also emailed uniqua or whatever their competitor is called and they wrote me back in bad english
[2016-12-07 13:21:47] rapidtrades : they all use that bank in GI
[2016-12-07 13:47:40] elmorte : aethlios: what card issuer is this?
[2016-12-07 13:48:11] aethlios : elmorte: https://coinsbank.com/
[2016-12-07 13:48:36] elmorte : Cheers
[2016-12-07 14:09:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.009710
[2016-12-07 14:09:09] Rekted : elmorte: this is awesome
[2016-12-07 14:16:11] elmorte : You use it?
[2016-12-07 14:19:37] mjones : eth here we go. the pump to 0.02
[2016-12-07 14:20:18] Rekted : elmorte: no but look great
[2016-12-07 14:20:25] Rekted : i want try it :d
[2016-12-07 14:20:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 11 @ 0.009950
[2016-12-07 14:32:53] thomaskikansha : zec moving wow
[2016-12-07 14:33:13] kingkrung : fomo on zec, time to short more..
[2016-12-07 14:33:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.010130
[2016-12-07 14:33:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 105 @ 0.010170
[2016-12-07 14:40:42] kingkrung : dam missed the top only on contract for 0.077142
[2016-12-07 14:42:30] rms : it might still get there
[2016-12-07 14:42:51] l3f : kingkrung: very dangerous to short a pump
[2016-12-07 14:42:55] l3f : balls of steel
[2016-12-07 14:43:38] kingkrung : i don't think so, zec holder will notice and dump at this price
[2016-12-07 14:44:41] rms : my guess is the pumping whales are also zec presale holders
[2016-12-07 14:44:52] rms : so some will dump, some want to increase value of their holdings
[2016-12-07 14:45:13] kingkrung : zec no presale, only mining
[2016-12-07 14:45:27] l3f : kingkrung: "investors" get paid 20% per block
[2016-12-07 14:46:02] kingkrung : l3f: ok, yes. and they got some zec on 28 Nov, I read on there blog
[2016-12-07 14:48:07] l3f : pump is collapsing
[2016-12-07 14:54:44] kingkrung : as expected
[2016-12-07 14:54:44] kingkrung : as expected
[2016-12-07 14:57:49] zenkkor : where i the "Mark Price" calcualted for for margin trades?
[2016-12-07 15:00:37] Rado : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-12-07 15:01:18] macios15 : no block in last 3 h???
[2016-12-07 15:01:31] BitMEX_Greg : zenkkor: You can find the mark for any instrument on the Trade Pages under the contract details on the left hand side. You will see three prices, one is the last price, one is the index price and the last is the mark price
[2016-12-07 15:01:39] BitMEX_Greg : you can also view these prices above the order book
[2016-12-07 15:02:20] zenkkor : Thanks, just reading through those! :)
[2016-12-07 15:04:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 198 @ 0.010131
[2016-12-07 15:13:31] l3f : kingkrung: I hope you closed
[2016-12-07 15:14:33] mjones : macios15: yeah 3 hours 7 minutes since last btc block
[2016-12-07 15:14:52] mjones : just kidding. http://btc.blockr.io/
[2016-12-07 15:14:58] mjones : blockchain.info is bugging out right now
[2016-12-07 15:16:18] kingkrung : l3f: nice that you care about me ;-)
[2016-12-07 15:16:26] BitMEX_Sam : It does that every week it seems @mjones
[2016-12-07 15:17:20] kingkrung : I only saw this second pump wave because my browser showed your chat to me in a external message widow
[2016-12-07 15:17:43] l3f : kingkrung: you're welcome
[2016-12-07 15:17:56] macios15 : i think corection is coming now
[2016-12-07 15:20:15] mjones : the rekt bot doesnt pick up every margin call that happens
[2016-12-07 15:20:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1150 @ 0.010120
[2016-12-07 15:21:35] l3f : mjones: how come?
[2016-12-07 15:22:34] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: shouldn't the leverage on ZEC be increased now?
[2016-12-07 15:23:21] l3f : BitMEX_Sam: Oh yes this, would help with the liquidity
[2016-12-07 15:23:40] l3f : this casino game needs some updates to bring back the excitement
[2016-12-07 15:31:01] Rado : Yen falling against the USD
[2016-12-07 15:35:12] sleger : not really ??
[2016-12-07 15:38:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 175 @ 0.075637
[2016-12-07 15:38:36] l3f : ouch
[2016-12-07 15:39:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.076250
[2016-12-07 15:40:03] l3f : This fucking liquidiation order
[2016-12-07 15:40:04] l3f : is rekting the price
[2016-12-07 15:40:43] Rado : sleger: not really what?
[2016-12-07 15:40:48] l3f : Somebody's going to cry tomorrow, 176 = 6 btc at least
[2016-12-07 15:40:55] sleger : "Yen falling against the USD"
[2016-12-07 15:41:46] Rado : from 114 to 113.7
[2016-12-07 15:41:57] sleger : that means the usd is falling dummy
[2016-12-07 15:42:16] Rado : that's what I said
[2016-12-07 15:42:19] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-07 15:42:31] sleger : Rado: no its not what you said
[2016-12-07 15:42:38] sleger : "Rado: Yen falling against the USD"
[2016-12-07 15:42:47] sleger : no it is the usd falling against the yen
[2016-12-07 15:42:48] Rado : sleger: you and your correctness
[2016-12-07 15:43:03] sleger : its like buying instead of selling
[2016-12-07 15:43:09] Rado : lol
[2016-12-07 15:43:10] sleger : you just said the opposite of the truth
[2016-12-07 15:43:16] brasska : i shorted today at 114.378
[2016-12-07 15:43:18] sleger : correctness my ass
[2016-12-07 15:43:32] Rado : You are right sleger
[2016-12-07 15:43:47] sleger : yes
[2016-12-07 15:43:52] sleger : see, that is always correct
[2016-12-07 15:43:55] sleger : when you say that
[2016-12-07 15:44:11] Rado : ha ha
[2016-12-07 15:44:28] Rado : I think that trade might work for a few days
[2016-12-07 15:45:28] Rado : why USD falling
[2016-12-07 15:45:32] Rado : also falling against the EUR
[2016-12-07 15:45:45] Rado : brasska: nice trade
[2016-12-07 15:45:49] Rado : not closing yet?
[2016-12-07 15:46:10] brasska : my first TP around 112.5
[2016-12-07 15:47:51] brasska : also shorted oil. very good day ) but i didnt like how simplefx was calculated my margin today, it was changing up to 10%
[2016-12-07 15:49:48] Rado : brasska: did you hold overnight?
[2016-12-07 15:50:57] Rado : it's 3:50 PM UTC
[2016-12-07 15:51:15] Rado : when did you get charged the swap rate?
[2016-12-07 15:55:42] brasska : yes, but it wasnt swap costs, it happened a few hours ago when the gold spiked. support explained me that it is because my margin is in btc and two of my positions are in usd and one in jpy. anyway it doesn't explain to me what happened and i requested detailed calculation of my margin during that hours
[2016-12-07 15:57:20] Rado : brasska: interesting
[2016-12-07 15:57:27] brasska : however profiting with 1/500 margin is fantastic)
[2016-12-07 15:57:43] Rado : it is if you are on the right side
[2016-12-07 15:57:56] Rado : do you use stops on every order?
[2016-12-07 15:58:35] brasska : currently on the right side and watching in mt4 app how fast my profit rising
[2016-12-07 16:00:05] brasska : always trade fx with stops
[2016-12-07 16:00:18] Rado : brasska: how do you login to the mt4 app?
[2016-12-07 16:00:36] Rado : do you need to create a separate un/pass from simplefx
[2016-12-07 16:01:32] brasska : in simple fx website in account section create a password for each account and loging with this password in mt4 app. choose simple fx server
[2016-12-07 16:05:00] Rado : brasska: thanks
[2016-12-07 16:05:05] Rado : are you running it on MAC or Windows?
[2016-12-07 16:05:14] Rado : looks like there is no native mt4 app for MAC
[2016-12-07 16:05:58] brasska : there is no desctop for mac, i use ios app
[2016-12-07 16:06:10] brasska : and its great
[2016-12-07 16:06:45] Rado : cool
[2016-12-07 16:06:56] Rado : I have Windows on my MAC as well
[2016-12-07 16:07:00] Rado : using Parallels
[2016-12-07 16:16:07] BitMEX_Sam : AFAIK it runs well under Wine
[2016-12-07 16:17:19] thomaskikansha : zec still going
[2016-12-07 16:33:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 15534 @ 0.001069
[2016-12-07 16:39:25] mjones : who would short that much ETC
[2016-12-07 16:45:17] thiago : mr rothschild lol
[2016-12-07 16:55:32] username123 : Question about market closing limit orders. Yesterday I had a large amount of contracts that I closed at 1 bitcoin "Unrealised PNL", and my realised PNL was 0.5, so I figured I would be making 1/2 a bitcoin profit. Well I closed it all at market and ended up with 1/2 bitcoin LESS than what I started with....what am I missing here?
[2016-12-07 16:56:13] username123 : Was it because of the size of the close that I did? I.E. it was large enough to cause slippage. How can I minimize this when closing in the future?
[2016-12-07 16:56:54] sleger : unrealised is marked at mark price, not at market price
[2016-12-07 16:57:17] sleger : also fees etc
[2016-12-07 17:04:22] BitMEX_Greg : username123: Hi, as sleger has mentioned unrealised PNL is done at Mark Price, which may be different to the current market. Also you may have encountered slippage and trading fees. You can calculate your PNL and check the prices you exited and fees paid by going over to your Trade History here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-12-07 17:06:08] username123 : Okay thanks. So "realised PNL" is basically the ongoing fee for having a trade open at leverage, is that correct? I noticed it going up incrementally twice a day during my last position
[2016-12-07 17:09:01] BitMEX_Greg : username123: Realised PNL is the profit or loss, including fees and funding, from a position including closed positions
[2016-12-07 17:32:49] sleger : official response from quoine regarding why my TP werent done although market did cross their price : "When the take-profit price is crossed, system will create a market order with a "range" (a market order with price no worse than the take-profit price). This market order with range is then sent to the matching engine, which will fill it as much as it can within the range. In a particularly volatile market where price moves at a blink of an eye, there will be moments in which take-profit limits are crossed but not executed because price has moved back out."
[2016-12-07 17:33:48] Tetsuo : ^Wow
[2016-12-07 17:34:06] sleger : tbh that's what i thought did happen, they dont post tp in the order book
[2016-12-07 17:34:12] sleger : and their engine is very slow too
[2016-12-07 17:37:37] j8 : that's pretty brutal, at least you got a response other than "we have no idea why that happened"
[2016-12-07 17:38:08] j8 : sounds like the sloppiest trading engine ever
[2016-12-07 17:38:46] Tetsuo : sounds like "they" decide what should get executed or not
[2016-12-07 17:39:01] Tetsuo : *rigged*
[2016-12-07 17:52:46] inconspic : why did zec have a fit today?
[2016-12-07 17:52:58] inconspic : someone had a fat finger or what
[2016-12-07 17:53:02] inconspic : :>
[2016-12-07 18:03:33] mjones : zec is the one true anon
[2016-12-07 18:12:06] Velancry : wtf is ETCWin
[2016-12-07 18:15:07] mjones : something China created
[2016-12-07 18:16:11] thomaskikansha : token for ownership of an exchange it seems
[2016-12-07 18:21:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.010270
[2016-12-07 18:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.010280
[2016-12-07 18:22:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 900 @ 0.010340
[2016-12-07 18:23:41] sleger : eth could smell a wall at 0.012 and has to go pee against it
[2016-12-07 18:24:15] mjones : damn eth. .0095 was a good entry point earlier on here
[2016-12-07 18:25:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 154 @ 0.010500
[2016-12-07 18:25:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.010500
[2016-12-07 18:26:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1 @ 0.010630
[2016-12-07 18:28:45] blaat : wtf eth
[2016-12-07 18:29:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1200 @ 0.010830
[2016-12-07 18:29:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 75 @ 0.010830
[2016-12-07 18:29:37] thomaskikansha : bottomed well yesterday...now we go up
[2016-12-07 18:29:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 62 @ 0.010910
[2016-12-07 18:30:45] blaat : would be nice if we go wayyy down now hehe
[2016-12-07 18:32:01] macios15 : blaat: yes i think corection
[2016-12-07 18:34:06] blaat : So who is hacked today
[2016-12-07 18:35:13] mjones : btc
[2016-12-07 18:35:14] mjones : wtf
[2016-12-07 18:35:28] mjones : incoming alts rekt if this is the btc pump starting
[2016-12-07 18:35:29] wurstgelee : btc, what do? :)
[2016-12-07 18:35:45] blaat : lel
[2016-12-07 18:35:54] bingbongfly : mjones: actually alts going up with btc, maybe crypto pump
[2016-12-07 18:36:06] bingbongfly : mjones: look at xmr, got a huge green dildo just with btc, weird
[2016-12-07 18:36:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 33994 @ 765.64
[2016-12-07 18:36:20] mjones : 5351 CNY needs to break on okcoin though for a new high
[2016-12-07 18:36:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 50 @ 765.82
[2016-12-07 18:37:27] wurstgelee : mjones: not far off right now
[2016-12-07 18:37:36] rapidtrades : look at this retarded shit man
[2016-12-07 18:37:47] thomaskikansha : finex market bought 1.5K
[2016-12-07 18:38:07] mjones : crazy. everyone is in the buying mood
[2016-12-07 18:38:13] blaat : agree, this is retarded
[2016-12-07 18:38:15] sleger : its the ony thing bitcoin found to stop eth pump
[2016-12-07 18:38:42] wurstgelee : 5350....come on :)
[2016-12-07 18:38:48] mjones : ding ding ding
[2016-12-07 18:39:04] wurstgelee : 5350.2 ?
[2016-12-07 18:39:06] wurstgelee : okc?
[2016-12-07 18:39:07] mjones : didnt break 5351 though
[2016-12-07 18:39:15] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-12-07 18:39:17] mjones : just another tease pump
[2016-12-07 18:39:23] wurstgelee : clean double-top for now
[2016-12-07 18:39:45] mjones : 410 btc bought on finex just now
[2016-12-07 18:39:52] wurstgelee : interesting
[2016-12-07 18:39:59] mjones : close to cny price now
[2016-12-07 18:41:03] wurstgelee : eth still pumping
[2016-12-07 18:41:23] mjones : still got ethblievers
[2016-12-07 18:41:28] mjones : belivers
[2016-12-07 18:41:34] mjones : believers
[2016-12-07 18:41:41] wurstgelee : AAAAAAAND
[2016-12-07 18:41:47] m3s : wait till king bitcoin shuts them up lol
[2016-12-07 18:41:52] wurstgelee : DING DING DING
[2016-12-07 18:41:55] wurstgelee : 4real now
[2016-12-07 18:41:56] m3s : although they pumped together same time
[2016-12-07 18:42:07] mjones : there goes china. all aboard choochoo
[2016-12-07 18:42:25] macios15 : lost on short
[2016-12-07 18:42:34] macios15 : profit on long already
[2016-12-07 18:42:36] macios15 : xD
[2016-12-07 18:42:53] JuriFX : glad I bought yesterday at 763.07
[2016-12-07 18:43:14] JuriFX : now come on bulls lets go to 790
[2016-12-07 18:43:27] rapidtrades : shut up dummy
[2016-12-07 18:43:47] JuriFX : hehe sure
[2016-12-07 18:43:59] Velancry : rapidtrades: someone went short?
[2016-12-07 18:44:06] JuriFX : ;)
[2016-12-07 18:44:13] rapidtrades : Velancry: ur mom went short on my pants
[2016-12-07 18:44:39] JuriFX : come on who sells into strog support (HL) in a bull market
[2016-12-07 18:44:42] Velancry : rapidtrades: shit son.
[2016-12-07 18:44:45] blaat : big boy talk now, wow
[2016-12-07 18:45:26] JuriFX : so fun trolling
[2016-12-07 18:46:52] sleger : fake 1000btc buy wall now at 770 on finex
[2016-12-07 18:47:27] Velancry : sleger: nah
[2016-12-07 18:47:40] sleger : open your eyes if you cant see it
[2016-12-07 18:47:43] sleger : its there
[2016-12-07 18:47:43] brouk : sleger: why is that fake?
[2016-12-07 18:48:00] sleger : because when someone starts to sell into it or price is close enough it will disappear
[2016-12-07 18:48:24] brouk : sleger: did that happen already?
[2016-12-07 18:48:33] macios15 : nope
[2016-12-07 18:48:34] sleger : probably a thousand times
[2016-12-07 18:48:36] macios15 : he just guess
[2016-12-07 18:48:50] brouk : sleger: have you seen it happen?
[2016-12-07 18:48:58] sleger : probably 200 times
[2016-12-07 18:49:04] brouk : sleger: ok
[2016-12-07 18:49:30] j8 : it could be a margin position backed with BFX collateral.. then it's really fake
[2016-12-07 18:49:55] macios15 : do you think new high is possible today
[2016-12-07 18:50:25] mjones : new high as in...
[2016-12-07 18:50:26] sleger : over 1k today is almost impossible dummy
[2016-12-07 18:50:28] macios15 : looks like 780
[2016-12-07 18:50:56] sleger : maybe this guy ^ is born few weeks ago