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[2016-12-06 20:13:35] CaptainDean : numero: I wish !!
[2016-12-06 20:14:22] CaptainDean : It was definitely more then any hour paid I have earned in my life
[2016-12-06 20:15:03] numero : you mean you're not a ceo or a neurosurgeon?
[2016-12-06 20:15:31] CaptainDean : numero: no not really :P
[2016-12-06 20:15:44] numero : and not a celebrity?
[2016-12-06 20:16:15] CaptainDean : numero: Why would I ?
[2016-12-06 20:17:15] CaptainDean : I wish I was Scarlett Johansson
[2016-12-06 20:17:40] numero : no reason, you earned that 0.5 btc for sure . . . very impressive sleuthing
[2016-12-06 20:18:01] sleger : WIN is dead
[2016-12-06 20:18:13] CaptainDean : Yeah the last minutes tip makes me find it
[2016-12-06 20:18:47] CaptainDean : that and my girldfirend telling me to watch The Expanse for a 1-2 weeks :P
[2016-12-06 20:19:34] CaptainDean : ETH sell side loosing for weight, buy side at 5000 BTC
[2016-12-06 20:20:50] wurstgelee : ditch expanse, watch westworld
[2016-12-06 20:21:07] sleger : jpy losing its premium !
[2016-12-06 20:21:23] j8 : burn baby burn
[2016-12-06 20:21:40] j8 : sleger: maybe don't put up a 1 btc wall this time
[2016-12-06 20:21:56] sleger : i dont have one this time
[2016-12-06 20:22:12] j8 : excellent
[2016-12-06 20:23:38] j8 : couple thousand btc changing hands this time
[2016-12-06 20:23:54] j8 : or changing from one hand to the other, who knows
[2016-12-06 20:24:17] sleger : maybe someone finally realized they can withdraw cash and exchange for usd
[2016-12-06 20:24:47] j8 : it's a brilliant strategy
[2016-12-06 20:29:19] sleger : quoine is such a nightmare, it creates a new position for every order submitted, i have over 100 short positions...
[2016-12-06 20:29:52] Tetsuo : sounds great
[2016-12-06 20:30:01] sleger : and you cannot close by buying so you either have to close them one by one, or just the magic close all button
[2016-12-06 20:30:07] sleger : which sends a huge market order.... lol
[2016-12-06 20:31:00] Tetsuo : i give them 3-4 months until their systems breaks down or they get "hacked and robbed"
[2016-12-06 20:31:35] Tetsuo : are we sure Karpeles isn´t behind this?
[2016-12-06 20:31:53] sleger : no, the ceo looks like a fat coffee drinker guy
[2016-12-06 20:31:58] sleger : how did karpeles look ?
[2016-12-06 20:32:02] Tetsuo : ok, it´s fine then :-)
[2016-12-06 20:37:46] Velancry : threr
[2016-12-06 20:38:05] Tetsuo : no
[2016-12-06 20:49:30] sleger : eth 0.01
[2016-12-06 20:50:00] wurstgelee : and above
[2016-12-06 20:50:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 977 @ 0.010070
[2016-12-06 20:51:08] Julsss : Hello
[2016-12-06 20:51:17] mjones : eth insane
[2016-12-06 20:51:45] Julsss : Does BitMex requires proof of ID to depotis/withdraw BTC?
[2016-12-06 20:52:00] sleger : Julsss: yes and you need to be american
[2016-12-06 20:52:01] j8 : nope
[2016-12-06 20:52:20] mjones : up 31%
[2016-12-06 20:52:23] Julsss : oookay.
[2016-12-06 20:52:38] imabeast : yesssss
[2016-12-06 20:52:39] BitMEX_Greg : Julsss: No we don't
[2016-12-06 20:52:54] Julsss : ah!
[2016-12-06 20:53:12] imabeast : got my short in eth right at the top
[2016-12-06 20:55:17] Julsss : Thanks BitMEX_Greg
[2016-12-06 20:55:29] BitMEX_Greg : np
[2016-12-06 20:55:52] CaptainDean : mjones: so we finally made it to 0.01 still going long ?
[2016-12-06 20:56:35] sleger : it's just been confirmed on polo trollbox that eth going to 0.04 now
[2016-12-06 20:56:47] CaptainDean : sleger: Epic
[2016-12-06 20:57:41] CaptainDean : sleger: I might be able to sell my car and gamble it before it goes to moon
[2016-12-06 20:58:04] sleger : CaptainDean: if its red and goes above 200mph let me know i might buy
[2016-12-06 20:59:00] CaptainDean : sleger: yeah it's making strange noise
[2016-12-06 20:59:13] mjones : CaptainDean: ETH is crazy. whales can easily get in and out so they could push it higher for more profit
[2016-12-06 20:59:17] CaptainDean : sleger: and smells dead fish
[2016-12-06 21:00:34] mjones : and whales dumping on other whales for hundreds of BTC in profit. good times
[2016-12-06 21:01:25] mjones : usd exchanges inching up while china is going sideways
[2016-12-06 21:04:03] CaptainDean : mjones: yeah crazy
[2016-12-06 21:04:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 500 @ 0.010020
[2016-12-06 21:04:18] CaptainDean : mjones: i wish I was up this morning for the massive dump
[2016-12-06 21:06:40] xiaoping : What is ETCWIN? :)
[2016-12-06 21:06:57] j8 : a very good question
[2016-12-06 21:07:12] sleger : etcwin = 1 - etclose @xiaoping
[2016-12-06 21:07:45] xiaoping : is it dao project on etc?
[2016-12-06 21:07:56] sleger : no, that is etcdao
[2016-12-06 21:08:44] j8 : it's a token for investing in an etc based exchange
[2016-12-06 21:09:16] numero : it's a vehicle for speculation running on zec hype fumes
[2016-12-06 21:10:46] j8 : xiaoping: all the info about it is in chinese so honestly we don't really know
[2016-12-06 21:10:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.010220
[2016-12-06 21:16:33] m3s : eth shorts getting rekt
[2016-12-06 21:16:42] m3s : such a strong bounce, jesus
[2016-12-06 21:19:14] Dtrade16 : Why are you guys shorting ETH when it's running up so hard?
[2016-12-06 21:19:15] Dtrade16 : Crazy
[2016-12-06 21:19:29] Dtrade16 : I will pray for you guys
[2016-12-06 21:19:41] m3s : noone expected this hard of a bounce, its up 40% from bottom
[2016-12-06 21:20:06] b1tn1k : was primed for a bounce imo
[2016-12-06 21:20:11] Dtrade16 : It's extrmly undervalued
[2016-12-06 21:20:23] b1tn1k : totally oversold
[2016-12-06 21:20:25] Dtrade16 : That shouldn't be too much to expect
[2016-12-06 21:20:25] m3s : yeah but that much? needs to retrace to 50% fib imo
[2016-12-06 21:20:35] Dtrade16 : It's worth way more
[2016-12-06 21:20:48] Dtrade16 : It was at 10 buxx not too long ago
[2016-12-06 21:21:25] m3s : many argue it has no value due to loss of trust, forks and bailouts
[2016-12-06 21:21:33] Dtrade16 : Bullshit
[2016-12-06 21:21:43] Dtrade16 : Those guys just want your coins
[2016-12-06 21:21:58] Julsss : Does BitMEX only work with Contracts?
[2016-12-06 21:22:03] Dtrade16 : It does have value
[2016-12-06 21:22:41] j8 : Julsss: yes it's derivatives only
[2016-12-06 21:23:10] Dtrade16 : If that were the case than btc should have no value either
[2016-12-06 21:23:27] Dtrade16 : ppl know what they signed up for when getting into crypto
[2016-12-06 21:24:29] CaptainDean : the Fork is push to fix an issue into the code, meaning we get better from our past mistake. Those forking fears are pretty much some way to fuck around holders trust
[2016-12-06 21:24:39] CaptainDean : Is to push a fix**
[2016-12-06 21:25:11] CaptainDean : unless the fork just fuck everything
[2016-12-06 21:26:46] CaptainDean : The fork is just a simple fix into the code*** fuck my english
[2016-12-06 21:34:01] mjones : some people just really believe in eth
[2016-12-06 21:48:50] mjones : shorting REP to 0?
[2016-12-06 21:54:09] rapidtrades : any japs here?
[2016-12-06 21:54:24] rapidtrades : why are u paying $800 per btc?
[2016-12-06 21:56:44] sleger : bicoz soun it iz 1000$ ahahah
[2016-12-06 21:59:36] rapidtrades : yen lost 10% against the dollar since trump win
[2016-12-06 22:00:04] rapidtrades : maybe that's the reason? pure panic mode
[2016-12-06 22:00:53] zanza : "japs"
[2016-12-06 22:04:09] rapidtrades : indeed
[2016-12-06 22:05:02] Tetsuo : ETC gettin bitch slapped
[2016-12-06 22:05:27] sleger : ETCwin untouched
[2016-12-06 22:06:08] Tetsuo : why aren´t we at upper limit?
[2016-12-06 22:06:10] j8 : rapidtrades: you could try google translate on bitflyer's trollbox
[2016-12-06 22:07:23] rapidtrades : maybe we should open a new jap chat
[2016-12-06 22:07:24] sleger : did you learn anything ?
[2016-12-06 22:07:43] rapidtrades : so we can lure them in and monitor their convos
[2016-12-06 22:07:43] sleger : i dumped 100btc on quoine
[2016-12-06 22:08:23] sleger : 50 just before the crash actually, not sure if any relationship though
[2016-12-06 22:09:36] rapidtrades : yeah i learned 2 lessons
[2016-12-06 22:09:49] rapidtrades : 1. have money 2. don't be poor
[2016-12-06 22:10:06] sleger : and what you gonna do about it
[2016-12-06 22:10:25] sleger : did you get margin called somewhere ?
[2016-12-06 22:12:42] Tetsuo : Will quoine also provide us some retarded spike downs?
[2016-12-06 22:13:08] sleger : the spikes down were quoine
[2016-12-06 22:13:35] Tetsuo : i meant like the one to 99000
[2016-12-06 22:14:55] sleger : 90000 you mean ?
[2016-12-06 22:15:32] rapidtrades : does quoine have leverage? why would u sell there
[2016-12-06 22:15:34] Tetsuo : https://cryptowat.ch/quoine/btcjpy/12h shows 98441
[2016-12-06 22:16:07] sleger : Tetsuo: thats not a spike down, but up. IOr maybe your monitor is setup upside down ?
[2016-12-06 22:16:17] sleger : rapidtrades: ofc they do.
[2016-12-06 22:16:24] Tetsuo : sleger: read my text again
[2016-12-06 22:16:25] sleger : and no fees
[2016-12-06 22:16:26] rapidtrades : how much
[2016-12-06 22:16:35] sleger : rapidtrades: 20 i think
[2016-12-06 22:16:37] Tetsuo : "will" "also" "down"
[2016-12-06 22:16:49] rapidtrades : 20? on a spot exchange?
[2016-12-06 22:17:06] sleger : Tetsuo: well they had a spike to 90k less than 12 hours ago
[2016-12-06 22:17:12] sleger : rapidtrades: its margin, but yes
[2016-12-06 22:17:27] sleger : sorry its not 20x
[2016-12-06 22:17:30] rapidtrades : how is that sustainable?
[2016-12-06 22:17:30] sleger : i read that wrong
[2016-12-06 22:17:35] sleger : it's 25
[2016-12-06 22:17:36] sleger : .....
[2016-12-06 22:17:54] rapidtrades : so who pays out the bitcoins when we crash
[2016-12-06 22:18:04] sleger : mark K
[2016-12-06 22:18:04] Tetsuo : god i hate crypto exchanges even more than i hate cryptocoiners
[2016-12-06 22:18:33] Tetsuo : sleger: has he found another cold wallet?
[2016-12-06 22:18:33] rapidtrades : are u sure they're spot and not futures?
[2016-12-06 22:18:46] sleger : rapidtrades: yes, futures are another tab
[2016-12-06 22:18:57] Tetsuo : sleger: do they have a chat?
[2016-12-06 22:19:03] sleger : and they're just a copy of the bitmex prices
[2016-12-06 22:19:08] rapidtrades : u can't guarantee delivery at 25 leverage
[2016-12-06 22:19:09] sleger : no chat no, you cant go there
[2016-12-06 22:19:17] laisee : quoine has spot, margin and remarketing futurs from here
[2016-12-06 22:19:26] sleger : rapidtrades: why would it be possible at 3x and not at 25x ?
[2016-12-06 22:19:57] rapidtrades : why? cos we fell 40 percent in few hours just 1 month ago
[2016-12-06 22:20:11] sleger : same problem with 3x
[2016-12-06 22:20:40] rapidtrades : no cos at 25x u only need a gap of 4% to open the exchange to losses
[2016-12-06 22:20:40] sleger : either the books are crooked which would be hillarious, or people lending will lose their bitcoins
[2016-12-06 22:21:08] laisee : rapidtrades: u don't know how fast is there margin engine
[2016-12-06 22:21:21] sleger : laisee: it is extreeeeeemely
[2016-12-06 22:21:22] sleger : slow
[2016-12-06 22:21:49] rapidtrades : doesn't matter how fast it is, 4% drop is nothing for bitcoin
[2016-12-06 22:21:57] rapidtrades : literally any news can go over that
[2016-12-06 22:21:58] laisee : sounds like a sure winner, then
[2016-12-06 22:22:05] rapidtrades : bitinex hack, china rumors
[2016-12-06 22:22:12] sleger : rapidtrades: it doesnt matter, people lending wil lose their bitcoin thats it
[2016-12-06 22:22:39] rapidtrades : what happens if we gap >4%
[2016-12-06 22:23:05] sleger : people lending bitcoin will lose theirs
[2016-12-06 22:23:11] laisee : well they are still afloat after couple of years so maybe > 4 % will nto crush them ...
[2016-12-06 22:23:24] sleger : there is NO risk for the exchange here
[2016-12-06 22:23:52] habibi : no adl there?
[2016-12-06 22:23:58] sleger : unless they are lending other customer bitcoins without them knowing of course (= crooked books)
[2016-12-06 22:24:05] rapidtrades : then the risk is on you @sleger
[2016-12-06 22:24:07] habibi : ah its spot, nvm
[2016-12-06 22:24:08] sleger : habibi: its margin not futures
[2016-12-06 22:24:14] sleger : rapidtrades: no im not lending
[2016-12-06 22:25:04] laisee : or they change cntract during its lifetime ... no risk at all
[2016-12-06 22:25:20] sleger : i dont think they are that crooked
[2016-12-06 22:25:47] laisee : so there is some possible risk, then. a number > 0.00
[2016-12-06 22:26:34] rapidtrades : their FAW page is 404
[2016-12-06 22:33:26] rapidtrades : their INR pair is quoting 847
[2016-12-06 22:34:28] rapidtrades : sleger: what currency did u sell for?
[2016-12-06 22:34:29] sleger : look at their EUR price vs USD price
[2016-12-06 22:34:29] laisee : sou ds like a strong buy
[2016-12-06 22:34:36] sleger : i sold JPY
[2016-12-06 22:35:12] rapidtrades : eur 792
[2016-12-06 22:35:54] mjones : damn btc. i thought it was going down so i close my long and then it's like oh i'll just go up $4 now
[2016-12-06 22:36:36] rapidtrades : looks like its idiots running high on margin and bidding up all pairs @sleger
[2016-12-06 22:36:47] sleger : no clue
[2016-12-06 22:37:37] rapidtrades : their CNY is 9% above china
[2016-12-06 22:41:34] rapidtrades : sleger: looks like spot is capped at 5x? unlesss their demo is innacurate
[2016-12-06 22:41:49] sleger : there are 2 tabs: spot and margin
[2016-12-06 22:41:52] sleger : spot is 1x
[2016-12-06 22:41:56] sleger : margin is 25x
[2016-12-06 22:42:29] anonymous789 : mjones: looks like a bear flag on the hourly, so still think it's going down soon
[2016-12-06 22:43:36] rapidtrades : sleger: ah yes...im an idiot
[2016-12-06 22:49:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 7000 @ 757.47
[2016-12-06 22:59:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.009830
[2016-12-06 23:06:56] mjones : right anonymous789 but BTC finds a way to pump back up time and time again
[2016-12-06 23:07:41] mjones : it can pump another 20-30 CNY but then needs to break up up up otherwise just another failed attempt
[2016-12-06 23:11:00] anonymous789 : mjones: daily looks bearish
[2016-12-06 23:11:04] anonymous789 : short term
[2016-12-06 23:17:42] mjones : CNY yeah. stamp doesnt look as bad
[2016-12-06 23:20:08] mjones : ETH 0.01 support
[2016-12-06 23:57:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.010170
[2016-12-06 23:58:45] CaptainDean : mjones: buy side has droped a bit now 4600 btc
[2016-12-06 23:59:23] mjones : yeah. will be interesting to see if price tanks or if buyers are legit and it'll go sideways / up more
[2016-12-07 00:00:06] CaptainDean : mjones: yeah but the sell side diodn'T grow much like 25k coins
[2016-12-07 00:00:33] CaptainDean : Zec is sleeping today
[2016-12-07 00:13:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.009900
[2016-12-07 00:15:57] mjones : meh. that's why you short the triple top
[2016-12-07 00:19:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1500 @ 0.009740
[2016-12-07 00:20:19] mjones : gg eth. mm left the building
[2016-12-07 00:20:46] CaptainDean : "today is a bad day" - MM
[2016-12-07 00:22:14] mjones : when MM finds out ETH is coming back down http://i.imgur.com/DCqRUwO.gif
[2016-12-07 00:22:33] CaptainDean : ;-)
[2016-12-07 00:24:58] sleger : guys the MM is long now
[2016-12-07 00:51:21] arbitrage001 : wow gee
[2016-12-07 00:51:34] arbitrage001 : what happen to the premium for z16
[2016-12-07 00:52:28] rms : the legend of the trollbox is that the premium was based on one whale shorter
[2016-12-07 00:52:38] rms : when he was liquidated, it went to a 10-20% discount
[2016-12-07 00:52:49] rms : and it went to spot as a bot has been buying whenever it's below market
[2016-12-07 00:53:08] arbitrage001 : dont see bot buying
[2016-12-07 00:53:55] rms : watch me, i'm going to make a buy order for like .062 and then the bot will front run my order
[2016-12-07 00:54:28] rms : or maybe he's gone then
[2016-12-07 00:54:46] rms : feel free to whale short then and kill the premium
[2016-12-07 00:55:09] arbitrage001 : would be stupid to short when premium is low
[2016-12-07 01:05:44] mjones : z16?
[2016-12-07 01:06:10] mjones : near record amount of open contracts and premium is at or near ATL
[2016-12-07 01:06:13] username123 : Question, if I am holding 100 contracts (long) and want to sell them all at a certain future price, where/how would I do that? I dont have time to keep an eye on the price all night
[2016-12-07 01:06:25] username123 : limit contracts I should say
[2016-12-07 01:07:01] mjones : you want to sell those contracts if price goes down to a certain price? or sell if price goes up to a certain point but hold if price goes down
[2016-12-07 01:07:45] mjones : limit order put quantity 100 and limit price where you want to sell
[2016-12-07 01:08:06] username123 : Yea, basically I have a stop set already in case we go down, I just down know how to set one for the opposite direction. I.E. if the price goes to 770 while I sleep I want to sell, but not before that amount
[2016-12-07 01:09:05] username123 : "Take Profit Limit" maybe?
[2016-12-07 01:11:34] sleger : just limit
[2016-12-07 01:35:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 16 @ 0.009570
[2016-12-07 01:42:48] j8 : XBTZ16 premium is definitely going to zero
[2016-12-07 01:43:08] arbitrage001 : j8: why?
[2016-12-07 01:43:22] j8 : arbitrage001: because that's how futures work :)
[2016-12-07 01:43:23] arbitrage001 : okc heading to discount area?
[2016-12-07 01:43:49] arbitrage001 : finex usd lending rate is high
[2016-12-07 01:44:00] arbitrage001 : and btc lending rate is low
[2016-12-07 01:44:07] j8 : it might take 23 days, it's definitely going to zero though
[2016-12-07 01:44:56] arbitrage001 : the sentiment is price will drop?
[2016-12-07 01:45:48] arbitrage001 : premium was as high as 3.3% jst a few days ago
[2016-12-07 01:46:29] j8 : sentiment is definitely bad
[2016-12-07 01:46:46] rms : the premium goes up here when interest rates go up on the perpetual swaps
[2016-12-07 01:47:05] rms : so there was a $20 premium here when interest was through the roof
[2016-12-07 01:47:08] rms : but now it's reasonable again
[2016-12-07 01:47:17] rms : plus sentiment isn't great
[2016-12-07 01:47:23] rms : and the gap between us and china getting more narrow
[2016-12-07 01:47:28] mjones : zec dumping
[2016-12-07 01:47:48] arbitrage001 : mjones: dump more lol
[2016-12-07 01:48:04] arbitrage001 : waiting for the right price to re-entry my position
[2016-12-07 01:48:13] arbitrage001 : prefer less than 10 usd percoin
[2016-12-07 01:48:41] rms : presale zcoin investors paid $15 per coin when btc was worth like $250
[2016-12-07 01:49:17] arbitrage001 : rms: dont think price matter much on what investors paid
[2016-12-07 01:50:08] rms : well they probably won't sell below that price...
[2016-12-07 01:50:37] arbitrage001 : just a small position on the total supply
[2016-12-07 01:50:40] arbitrage001 : less than 5% i think
[2016-12-07 01:50:55] arbitrage001 : miners will control 90% stake, so their production cost matter more
[2016-12-07 01:51:32] arbitrage001 : and how useful the coin is to the criminal is the key
[2016-12-07 01:54:25] mjones : i cant figure out how to get people to use anon coins quickly
[2016-12-07 01:55:22] mjones : dnm / tor users have been using BTC for years and they can easily get in and out of BTC and it doesnt seem to be an issue
[2016-12-07 01:57:11] mjones : combine zcash anon with what sdc is trying to do with the xmr pump group and we might have something
[2016-12-07 01:57:40] arbitrage001 : mjones: sdc?
[2016-12-07 01:57:55] mjones : shadowcash
[2016-12-07 01:59:13] mjones : has shadowmarket and shadowchat
[2016-12-07 01:59:44] arbitrage001 : when did they start development?
[2016-12-07 01:59:50] arbitrage001 : and how credible is the team
[2016-12-07 01:59:59] arbitrage001 : too many pump and dump coin
[2016-12-07 02:00:23] mjones : it's an older coin. quickly mined coin. which people hated. it pumped and dumped back in the day and recently went 10x
[2016-12-07 02:00:36] mjones : but there is a severe lack of buy support which says to me 0 interest besides the people who hold SDC
[2016-12-07 02:00:47] arbitrage001 : see,
[2016-12-07 02:00:49] arbitrage001 : that is the problem
[2016-12-07 02:01:05] arbitrage001 : serious coin need credible support team
[2016-12-07 02:01:10] arbitrage001 : and anti-pump and dump
[2016-12-07 02:01:33] mjones : which is hard to do
[2016-12-07 02:01:39] arbitrage001 : if i am a developer, my goal will change as soon as i get rich
[2016-12-07 02:01:47] arbitrage001 : just sell and quit
[2016-12-07 02:01:53] arbitrage001 : retire in hawaii
[2016-12-07 02:01:57] mjones : yeah
[2016-12-07 02:02:59] mjones : that's why anon coin needs to be on all exchanges, localbitcoins needs to expand to offer an anon coin. the anon coin needs to offer somethings to make people interested
[2016-12-07 02:03:11] rms : why hawaii?
[2016-12-07 02:03:50] rms : i think zcash will get a lot of support from the silicon valley community that funded it
[2016-12-07 02:03:56] arbitrage001 : just something someone usually said when they get rich
[2016-12-07 02:03:57] rms : and that will help with buzz a lot compared to XMR
[2016-12-07 02:04:23] rms : ;) hawaii is like america, too expensive, even when you're rich
[2016-12-07 02:04:32] arbitrage001 : is it?
[2016-12-07 02:05:16] rms : yeah... i would recommend retiring to whichever southeast asian country has your favorite food
[2016-12-07 02:05:29] rms : let me know when i can invest in your shitcoin
[2016-12-07 02:06:14] mjones : and i suppose you can quietly accumulate ZEC as people come around to BTC and then anon coins
[2016-12-07 02:06:54] rms : and i guess people say xmr will probably always be faster than zec but zero knowledge proofs just sound cool
[2016-12-07 02:08:19] mjones : with china invested so much into BTC i dont know if they will ever add another coin
[2016-12-07 02:09:34] rms : well at least until people figure out that the blockchain is immutable and that it takes a lot of work to move millions of dollars secretly
[2016-12-07 02:11:06] mjones : true. that will be cool to transfer money around and no one can see it or tell you sent some
[2016-12-07 02:14:52] sleger : how do you trace money going from exchange wallet to exchange wallet ?
[2016-12-07 02:16:48] rms : it's hard if the transfers were always BTC
[2016-12-07 02:17:01] rms : but if someone dealt in electronic fiat money there would be KYC information
[2016-12-07 02:19:20] mjones : you can transfer btc around in a way that it'll be near impossible to trace
[2016-12-07 02:22:27] sleger : just for instance, create new account at bitmex, send btc, withdraw btc to other address, done
[2016-12-07 02:26:37] cookielito : When the hell we gonna drop a bit here
[2016-12-07 02:26:38] cookielito : ?
[2016-12-07 02:30:50] mjones : most likely wont
[2016-12-07 02:37:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 424 @ 0.009650
[2016-12-07 02:49:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.009680
[2016-12-07 02:52:56] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.8808 (vs. yesterday at 6.8575)
[2016-12-07 02:53:28] rapidtrades : shooting up to 6.90 atm
[2016-12-07 02:53:41] rapidtrades : that's offshore tho...prolly not gonna last
[2016-12-07 03:21:05] Dtrade16 : Any way you guys can make the chat font bigger?
[2016-12-07 03:22:43] mjones : it is a tad small but for my young eyes it doesnt matter.
[2016-12-07 03:36:01] mjones : test
[2016-12-07 03:36:31] mjones : 0.01 became resistance for ETH. lets see how long it lasts before pumping again
[2016-12-07 03:43:43] gank : mjones: eth bumping again??? haha
[2016-12-07 03:44:01] gank : every alt bumped because a hackear was trading his stolen money, check the news
[2016-12-07 03:44:28] mjones : we dont know for sure how much of each coin though
[2016-12-07 03:45:14] gank : he already bumped everything by exchanging the stolen coins into altcoins, look at the 24h volume
[2016-12-07 03:46:07] mjones : he dumped alts for btc then btc back into alts
[2016-12-07 03:48:22] shiroe : NO pumps on eth beyod 0.01. Seems floor is 0.005.
[2016-12-07 03:48:44] gank : shiroe: I think floor is 0.7 like the floor we all were expecting before
[2016-12-07 03:49:08] gank : maybe 0.8, a bit higher because of the unexpected bump
[2016-12-07 03:49:18] shiroe : Probably. We test the floor times before we go up again.
[2016-12-07 03:49:25] shiroe : 3 times.
[2016-12-07 03:49:27] gank : agreed
[2016-12-07 03:51:59] elmorte : username123: yea, if you want to short limit above the current price, you use the Take Profit Limit
[2016-12-07 03:56:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `WINZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.002476
[2016-12-07 03:58:39] rapidtrades : domo in 2 mins
[2016-12-07 03:59:13] rapidtrades : limit down on WIN? I am dissapoint
[2016-12-07 04:00:10] rapidtrades : SELL EVERYTHING
[2016-12-07 04:00:43] Rado : rapidtrades: wasup man
[2016-12-07 04:00:49] rapidtrades : nm
[2016-12-07 04:00:53] Rado : was busy all day
[2016-12-07 04:00:57] Rado : finally home
[2016-12-07 04:01:07] Rado : running the MM bot on testnet
[2016-12-07 04:01:15] Rado : needs more work, but very promissing
[2016-12-07 04:01:17] rapidtrades : nice
[2016-12-07 04:01:25] Rado : promising
[2016-12-07 04:01:54] Rado : anything moving
[2016-12-07 04:01:57] Rado : alts or FX
[2016-12-07 04:02:08] Rado : oh I also opened an account with SimpleFX
[2016-12-07 04:02:24] Rado : did a couple of trades on FX and Oil and Gold
[2016-12-07 04:02:31] Rado : it's a lot of fun
[2016-12-07 04:02:40] Rado : they have 500x leverage
[2016-12-07 04:02:43] Rado : crazy
[2016-12-07 04:02:50] miramm1115 : Rado: MM is easy until there is a strong trend and volatility
[2016-12-07 04:02:59] Rado : miramm1115: I know
[2016-12-07 04:03:06] Rado : that's why it needs a lot of testing
[2016-12-07 04:03:12] rapidtrades : Rado: yeah 500/1 looks crazy but most currencies move 0.5-1% per day
[2016-12-07 04:03:14] miramm1115 : yep
[2016-12-07 04:03:15] Rado : and writing the part to handle the move
[2016-12-07 04:03:34] Rado : miramm1115: what do you do?
[2016-12-07 04:03:43] rapidtrades : the ones that are more volatile like the Ruble require more margin
[2016-12-07 04:03:52] shiroe : Rado: is site goood? i like 500x leverage.
[2016-12-07 04:04:12] rapidtrades : u can still get 500/1 at most offshore forex brokers
[2016-12-07 04:04:26] rapidtrades : prolly not gonna last long though
[2016-12-07 04:04:48] Rado : shiroe: I like what have seen so far
[2016-12-07 04:04:52] Rado : it seems fine
[2016-12-07 04:05:05] Rado : I tried some small trades and one bigger trade
[2016-12-07 04:05:07] shiroe : Will try. Thanks
[2016-12-07 04:05:18] miramm1115 : all kind of stuff: hedging, volatility adjustments, taking liquidity when needed etc. @Rado
[2016-12-07 04:05:57] Rado : miramm1115: so lets say one side hits the limt
[2016-12-07 04:06:08] Rado : all orders for that side are removed
[2016-12-07 04:06:44] gank : 50 btc buy wall @ poloniex :0
[2016-12-07 04:06:45] Rado : then do you move the other side with the market to try to get back to neutral
[2016-12-07 04:07:35] rapidtrades : i think he means what do u do when bitfinex gets hacked or china bans bitcoin
[2016-12-07 04:07:40] Rado : miramm1115: do you adjust orders on every run based on the new bid/ask?
[2016-12-07 04:07:44] rapidtrades : when price crashes down 40%
[2016-12-07 04:08:14] Rado : rapidtrades: you get filled up to your limit for that side
[2016-12-07 04:08:21] Rado : then try to get out when you can
[2016-12-07 04:08:39] rapidtrades : right but in a downtrend asks are hard to fill
[2016-12-07 04:08:45] rapidtrades : a strong downtrend
[2016-12-07 04:09:08] Rado : I know
[2016-12-07 04:09:18] miramm1115 : Rado: if you hit max delta simply moving asks/bids to get to neutral is a recipe for big losses. it's that simple
[2016-12-07 04:09:23] miramm1115 : *not that simple
[2016-12-07 04:09:48] Rado : a lot of things need to happen
[2016-12-07 04:09:57] rapidtrades : u gotta take big losses when u do MM i think
[2016-12-07 04:10:02] rapidtrades : it comes with the territory
[2016-12-07 04:10:11] Rado : but starting with the basics and then will add on
[2016-12-07 04:10:16] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: no if you do it right
[2016-12-07 04:10:25] rapidtrades : u make money 95% of days then u get f*cked on the rest
[2016-12-07 04:10:40] rapidtrades : miramm1115: explain?
[2016-12-07 04:11:05] Rado : rapidtrades: a strategy of a MM bot could be that on a fast move you pull your orders all together
[2016-12-07 04:11:32] rapidtrades : but u would already be filled if its a fast move
[2016-12-07 04:12:28] Rado : yes
[2016-12-07 04:12:29] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: you have to hedge to minimize losses on big moves and you don't accumulate big positions at all
[2016-12-07 04:12:39] Rado : depends on how far your orders are apart as well
[2016-12-07 04:13:05] elmorte : build in a circuit breaker based on time elapsed & % change
[2016-12-07 04:13:22] rapidtrades : ok but hedging prematurely will limit ur gains...so u just alter ur distribution of wins/losses @miramm1115
[2016-12-07 04:13:29] rapidtrades : but the overall expectancy doesn't change
[2016-12-07 04:14:46] miramm1115 : yes, it's a tradeoff but there are lots of things you can do to reduce the cost of hedging
[2016-12-07 04:15:06] elmorte : And make order sizes smaller, so it doesn't get filled too quickly and you max out your position too early
[2016-12-07 04:15:12] rapidtrades : like what? sell far-out futures? @miramm1115
[2016-12-07 04:16:16] miramm1115 : if you run MMs on multiple markets, including futures, you can skew MMs short/long based on market conditions and available liqiudity
[2016-12-07 04:16:26] gank : can I buy without leverage?
[2016-12-07 04:16:33] gank : I mean, buy to take the coins out?
[2016-12-07 04:16:45] rapidtrades : no only btc
[2016-12-07 04:16:53] rms : rep is pumping after someone sold 40btc worth...
[2016-12-07 04:18:29] rapidtrades : miramm1115: ok but we're talking about how do u handle days like NOV 3rd for example...i don't see how using multiple markets help cos your bids will get filled on all
[2016-12-07 04:19:19] rapidtrades : or SEPT11...even better example
[2016-12-07 04:21:01] rapidtrades : actually that looks like a BTC-E spike...AUG2 would be bitfinex hack day
[2016-12-07 04:21:15] miramm1115 : nov. 3rd was one of the most profitable days for me
[2016-12-07 04:21:36] rapidtrades : interesting
[2016-12-07 04:21:58] miramm1115 : sept. 11-12 as well
[2016-12-07 04:22:34] j8 : i heard the one on sept 11 was an inside job
[2016-12-07 04:23:40] miramm1115 : bitfinex hack day was a loss of course
[2016-12-07 04:24:28] rapidtrades : right so u only get hurt during extreme days like 40% down?
[2016-12-07 04:24:58] miramm1115 : yeah, or hacks when you just lose % of your trading capital
[2016-12-07 04:25:03] Rado : hey j8
[2016-12-07 04:25:25] Rado : miramm1115: what timezone do you set your server to?
[2016-12-07 04:25:29] Rado : does it matter?
[2016-12-07 04:25:42] miramm1115 : UTC but I don't see how it matters
[2016-12-07 04:25:52] Rado : I want to run ntp sync
[2016-12-07 04:26:06] miramm1115 : UTC makes everything easier
[2016-12-07 04:26:10] Rado : the tutorial I am reading is saying to setup timezone first
[2016-12-07 04:26:16] Rado : agree
[2016-12-07 04:26:39] rapidtrades : miramm1115: how much of a loss was bitfinex hack day? how many days of gains did u lose
[2016-12-07 04:26:48] Rado : BitMEX is running based on UTC right?
[2016-12-07 04:26:53] rapidtrades : not including the funds confiscated by bitfinex
[2016-12-07 04:27:24] rapidtrades : Rado: yes
[2016-12-07 04:30:16] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: I do weekly account reconciliations, and weekly loss on bitfinex hack week was less than average weekly profit, not counting confiscated funds
[2016-12-07 04:31:27] rapidtrades : well that's surprising
[2016-12-07 04:31:47] miramm1115 : not really
[2016-12-07 04:32:30] rapidtrades : so u don't have a max drawdown figure for that day?
[2016-12-07 04:32:41] rapidtrades : did it ever got scary?
[2016-12-07 04:33:47] rapidtrades : did u think 'oh shit i better turn everything off'
[2016-12-07 04:34:08] miramm1115 : it's never scary, I can lose all trading capital on couple of exchanges and it's not going to be scary ;-)
[2016-12-07 04:34:44] miramm1115 : if you are too scared to sleep well you're doing it wrong :smile:
[2016-12-07 04:36:11] elmorte : Translation: you need a bigger piggy bank @rapidtrades
[2016-12-07 04:37:58] miramm1115 : it's crypto, you have to be fully prepared for an exchange to disappear at any moment. it's going to hurt if for example okc disappears but I'll survive
[2016-12-07 04:38:58] rapidtrades : my preparation is sticking with >5x leverage
[2016-12-07 04:39:09] rapidtrades : they can't get what u don't put online
[2016-12-07 04:39:45] rapidtrades : preferably >20x
[2016-12-07 04:40:18] rapidtrades : miramm1115: are u making markets on kraken?
[2016-12-07 04:40:36] miramm1115 : no, I don't like kraken
[2016-12-07 04:41:22] rapidtrades : why
[2016-12-07 04:44:54] miramm1115 : no realtime data feed and API issues during fast moves
[2016-12-07 04:45:14] rapidtrades : dam...
[2016-12-07 04:45:34] miramm1115 : they need to license trading engine from bitmex :smile:
[2016-12-07 04:49:49] Rado : miramm1115: no, we need to keep it for our self
[2016-12-07 04:49:50] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-07 04:50:22] gank : here we go, eth dump again
[2016-12-07 05:09:39] Dtrade16 : boom
[2016-12-07 05:10:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 36594 @ 753.57
[2016-12-07 05:10:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 752.65
[2016-12-07 05:18:37] tard : hashtag dump it. https://twitter.com/CollinCrypto/status/806363379283689472
[2016-12-07 06:06:56] gank : monero crashing hard
[2016-12-07 06:33:30] zanza : This is good for Bitcoin tard
[2016-12-07 06:37:43] elmorte : SEPA - is it same day or next day? Anyone know?
[2016-12-07 06:40:06] gank : zanza: monero crashing is good for me, I just shorted it :)
[2016-12-07 06:45:14] brouk : elmorte: i think SEPA can take up to 5 days, depends on the banks
[2016-12-07 06:46:51] elmorte : brouk: Oh man....SWIFT payments don't take that long
[2016-12-07 06:54:43] brouk : yeah I once deposited to Kraken with SEPA and it took 3 days if I remember correctly
[2016-12-07 06:56:31] elmorte : Thanks bud
[2016-12-07 07:40:57] imperial : goodday all. am new here.
[2016-12-07 07:42:05] elmorte : gday mate
[2016-12-07 07:43:24] CaptainDean : Polo having issues on my side
[2016-12-07 07:43:48] Tetsuo : Hacked and robbed?
[2016-12-07 07:44:05] CaptainDean : i can't see any trade atm
[2016-12-07 07:44:32] CaptainDean : still moving at bitcoinswisdom
[2016-12-07 07:44:46] brouk : CaptainDean: me too
[2016-12-07 07:47:58] elmorte : I usually switch to the mobile version when it starts acting up
[2016-12-07 09:04:44] donchard : pls can anyone guide me on using bot
[2016-12-07 09:07:07] donchard : hi house
[2016-12-07 09:07:21] arbitrage001 : donchard: hard work
[2016-12-07 09:07:26] arbitrage001 : on learning bot
[2016-12-07 09:07:48] arbitrage001 : have you check:
[2016-12-07 09:07:50] arbitrage001 : https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker
[2016-12-07 09:10:21] donchard : okay sir do i run the bot on github
[2016-12-07 09:11:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: Buy 77 @ 0.004670
[2016-12-07 09:11:37] arbitrage001 : you run it on your pc or using hosting
[2016-12-07 09:12:42] donchard : okay so only documention is on github
[2016-12-07 09:13:36] arbitrage001 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiOverview
[2016-12-07 09:16:29] donchard : okay tnx
[2016-12-07 09:17:31] haxmb : donchard: do you have any programming experience?
[2016-12-07 09:18:12] wurstgelee : haxmb: lol :)
[2016-12-07 09:18:18] wurstgelee : whats wrong with running bots on github?
[2016-12-07 09:18:32] donchard : no
[2016-12-07 09:18:40] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: you can run bots on github?
[2016-12-07 09:19:09] arbitrage001 : not familiar with github here
[2016-12-07 09:19:11] wurstgelee : no?
[2016-12-07 09:19:15] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-12-07 09:19:18] arbitrage001 : no clue
[2016-12-07 09:19:26] donchard : i dont pls help me
[2016-12-07 09:20:10] wurstgelee : donchard: if u dont know what to do with https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker , u probably shouldnt think about using a bot
[2016-12-07 09:21:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.009600
[2016-12-07 09:21:56] donchard : wurstgelee: i can see the bot but cant edit and run it
[2016-12-07 09:22:14] wurstgelee : donchard: that was my point ;)
[2016-12-07 09:23:22] donchard : wurstgelee: pls help
[2016-12-07 09:23:31] BitMEX_Wally : wurstgelee: What happens when you follow the getting started help? https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker#getting-started
[2016-12-07 09:25:14] donchard : BitMEX_Wally: is it the step to step guide
[2016-12-07 09:25:17] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, I meant @donchard
[2016-12-07 09:25:43] BitMEX_Wally : donchard: If you do not know how to clone a Github repository and code in Python then the sample market making bot will be of no use to you
[2016-12-07 09:27:15] donchard : BitMEX_Wally: any help on how to clone one
[2016-12-07 09:27:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 30000 @ 768.97
[2016-12-07 09:28:05] BitMEX_Wally : Try running `git clone`
[2016-12-07 09:30:17] donchard : kk i willl check tutorial on google
[2016-12-07 09:46:17] KingTuna : why is the pricing source here Poloinex, yet the prices are way off it?
[2016-12-07 09:46:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 1 @ 771.11 :punch: :whale:
[2016-12-07 09:46:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 75510 @ 771.36 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-12-07 09:46:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 100 @ 771.88
[2016-12-07 09:47:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 1000 @ 772.14
[2016-12-07 09:47:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.009430