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[2016-12-06 16:48:54] BitMEX_Wally : If you are on 10x you can adjust the leverage to 5x (if you have enough available margin) and that will move your liquidation price further away
[2016-12-06 16:50:29] Lord Rothschild : if you are a newbie start with small position and slowly add up more contracts when its green
[2016-12-06 16:50:31] kb1985 : And if I deccie to add another 0.1, how big protection will it give to me?
[2016-12-06 16:50:49] kb1985 : Yeah, I am a newbie and trying to learn on small amounts of course, not palying with big money.
[2016-12-06 16:51:11] BitMEX_Wally : kb1985: If you add 0.1 XBT then you can lose an extra 0.1 XBT
[2016-12-06 16:51:31] kb1985 : If I am about ot get liqiudated at 0.0097 with 0.1 on x10 margin, and I add another 0.1 to my margin positon, how much bigger will be the new liqidated price?
[2016-12-06 16:51:33] BitMEX_Wally : For example, If you have a position worth 0.5 XBT then it will move the liquidation price 20% further away
[2016-12-06 16:51:43] kb1985 : I understand.
[2016-12-06 16:52:19] kb1985 : Thank you.
[2016-12-06 16:53:18] kb1985 : And if the price goes back down to my price of entry I will get both my initail deposit and the new deposit back?
[2016-12-06 16:53:49] kb1985 : Good to learn on small amounts!
[2016-12-06 16:54:16] wurstgelee : etc's autorefill bot is back
[2016-12-06 16:54:19] wurstgelee : @ .001
[2016-12-06 16:54:26] wurstgelee : the one with unlimited funds
[2016-12-06 16:54:44] BitMEX_Wally : kb1985: Yes you can reset the leverage to 10x to get it back
[2016-12-06 17:01:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 4000 @ 0.009400
[2016-12-06 17:05:40] thomaskikansha : eth bouncing strongly
[2016-12-06 17:05:47] rms : short squeeze happening?
[2016-12-06 17:06:14] rms : don't see it as stable at this price, either we retrace or blow past .01
[2016-12-06 17:06:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 3300 @ 0.009560
[2016-12-06 17:06:36] kb1985 : There is a whale on Polo toying with a price.
[2016-12-06 17:06:49] kb1985 : We don't know what his game is. But he is using 1000 BTC wall.
[2016-12-06 17:06:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 150 @ 0.009570
[2016-12-06 17:07:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 400 @ 0.009630
[2016-12-06 17:07:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1000 @ 0.009610
[2016-12-06 17:07:32] CaptainDean : pretty much what i think, we are going up too fast, this will fall down hard after that. just my 2 cents ;-)
[2016-12-06 17:07:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 2700 @ 0.009680
[2016-12-06 17:07:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 41 @ 0.009690
[2016-12-06 17:08:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 20 @ 0.009740
[2016-12-06 17:08:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1400 @ 0.009770
[2016-12-06 17:08:46] thomaskikansha : at least 0.01 then
[2016-12-06 17:08:56] haxmb : :D 8)
[2016-12-06 17:10:28] wurstgelee : yeah, looking forward to short eth
[2016-12-06 17:10:29] RoftheN : Wow it's this high again
[2016-12-06 17:10:32] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-12-06 17:10:39] Lord Rothschild : :)
[2016-12-06 17:10:47] RoftheN : If only I was never liquidated
[2016-12-06 17:10:48] wurstgelee : also etc moving too now
[2016-12-06 17:11:11] CaptainDean : the wall before 0.1 tho
[2016-12-06 17:12:35] CaptainDean : buy side just added 100 BTC
[2016-12-06 17:12:36] tb : ez profits
[2016-12-06 17:15:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 30 @ 0.009700
[2016-12-06 17:22:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.009560
[2016-12-06 17:23:37] Lord Rothschild : can you make the "x contracts sold" pop up smaller?
[2016-12-06 17:24:12] rms : ...and not appear right over the market close buttons
[2016-12-06 17:24:29] rms : the bottom left of the interface has room for it on my screen
[2016-12-06 17:24:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.009660
[2016-12-06 17:25:12] mjones : hell of a lot of eth volume. i'd hate for btc to pump and watch them all end up bagholding
[2016-12-06 17:26:07] rms : etc was more decoupled from bitcoin than it used to be in the downtrend cycle
[2016-12-06 17:26:10] rms : er, eth
[2016-12-06 17:40:14] CaptainDean : rms: yep
[2016-12-06 17:41:30] mjones : xbtz16 has a bot that always puts an order ahead of yours. trying to get you to rage market dump lower
[2016-12-06 17:50:42] BitMEX_Greg : mjones: those bots are great if you want to better your execution price though
[2016-12-06 17:53:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20 @ 754.31
[2016-12-06 17:53:58] mjones : mega dump on eth. didnt move price much though.
[2016-12-06 17:54:15] mjones : yeah those bots are nice for getting in at a lower price
[2016-12-06 17:54:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 754.17
[2016-12-06 18:02:43] mjones : looks lik etcwin is done pumping
[2016-12-06 18:02:52] mjones : ran out of greater fools
[2016-12-06 18:03:44] thomaskikansha : no more push ups
[2016-12-06 18:07:48] numero : thomaskikansha: do you use the 1 contract bots like sonar to detect iceberg orders?
[2016-12-06 18:09:57] mjones : bitmex guys. for PNL calculator for example ETH it is calculating at 33.33x. why cant we change that to 25x so we can see ROE % for 25x instead
[2016-12-06 18:12:06] mjones : for okcoin futures you could switch between 10x and 20x
[2016-12-06 18:23:34] BitMEX_Greg : mjones: Just divide by 33.33x and multiply by 25x
[2016-12-06 18:23:56] mjones : all right. i can do that thanks
[2016-12-06 18:24:06] BitMEX_Sam : We have an update on the way for this calculator that will provide that functionality - we will announce when it is ready
[2016-12-06 18:24:16] sleger : or just multiply by 0.75 ...........
[2016-12-06 18:33:16] wurstgelee : sleger: too simple
[2016-12-06 18:54:35] sleger : -3*exp(i * pi) / 4 also works
[2016-12-06 18:55:04] Lord Rothschild : any mod?
[2016-12-06 18:58:08] sleger : Lord Rothschild: your wire transfer of 10,000btc is at the inspection site with the IRS now, we will let you know when it hits our seychelles account
[2016-12-06 18:58:36] Lord Rothschild : I should have chosen another nickname. . .
[2016-12-06 18:59:20] sleger : yes milord
[2016-12-06 19:00:25] Shindeezle : Moon today or soon
[2016-12-06 19:00:58] mjones : bounce bounce come on bounce. i said come on bounce btc
[2016-12-06 19:03:28] BitMEX_Greg : Lord Rothschild: Hi whats up
[2016-12-06 19:04:32] Lord Rothschild : maybe Im missing something, but some of my last trades were on profit, but they didnt add up to my total account. . . its because of fees or what?
[2016-12-06 19:09:20] BitMEX_Greg : Lord Rothschild: Have you closed the positions?
[2016-12-06 19:09:29] Lord Rothschild : yes
[2016-12-06 19:09:56] Lord Rothschild : like tiny positions, but still, were on profit.. dont know what im missing
[2016-12-06 19:10:33] BitMEX_Greg : Lord Rothschild: Take a look at your trade history: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-12-06 19:10:42] BitMEX_Greg : You can check fees and funding there
[2016-12-06 19:11:26] Lord Rothschild : PNL doesnt show up on trade history?
[2016-12-06 19:12:23] BigDaddyBigDick : tiny positions get ya sometimes. Even with profit fees can eat it if its to small. Been there myself ma dude
[2016-12-06 19:12:57] sleger : fees are proportional to position size so the fact that they are tiny or not is totally irrelevant ^^
[2016-12-06 19:13:02] BitMEX_Greg : You can check the realised and unrealised PNL in your wallet: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-12-06 19:13:09] sleger : bigdaddysmallbrain
[2016-12-06 19:13:43] BigDaddyBigDick : well then im in same boat as mr rotchschild cuz i just figured it was fees
[2016-12-06 19:15:08] Lord Rothschild : I have 3 entries at Dec 6, 2016, 6:00:00 PM
[2016-12-06 19:15:10] Lord Rothschild : the same time..
[2016-12-06 19:15:17] Lord Rothschild : so, funding fees?
[2016-12-06 19:15:26] Lord Rothschild : or is timestamp wrong..
[2016-12-06 19:16:08] BitMEX_Greg : Not sure where you are referring to
[2016-12-06 19:16:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: Buy 15000 @ 0.00000855
[2016-12-06 19:16:52] Lord Rothschild : my Transaction History has 3 entries at 6 o clock
[2016-12-06 19:16:58] Lord Rothschild : not from trade..
[2016-12-06 19:17:23] BitMEX_Greg : What does it say in "Exec Type"
[2016-12-06 19:17:50] Lord Rothschild : trade
[2016-12-06 19:18:03] Lord Rothschild : but thats on trade history, sorry
[2016-12-06 19:18:21] Lord Rothschild : at transaction history I have entries at same hour..
[2016-12-06 19:18:39] BitMEX_Greg : Are you trying to work out your PNL? for what symbol
[2016-12-06 19:18:55] sleger : probably LISK
[2016-12-06 19:19:08] Lord Rothschild : eth
[2016-12-06 19:19:36] Lord Rothschild : .. cant you open up my account and check lol
[2016-12-06 19:19:44] BigDaddyBigDick : cmon sleger you have big brains no lisk no sir
[2016-12-06 19:19:44] sleger : hold on let me open it
[2016-12-06 19:20:41] BitMEX_Greg : Lord Rothschild: You can work out your PNL calculations using the following page, this is not part of our support function: https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/ETH
[2016-12-06 19:21:26] BitMEX_Greg : Then you can subtract the fees you paid which are indicated in the "Fee Paid" column next to your trade entries
[2016-12-06 19:21:39] BitMEX_Greg : If you are getting something odd please let me know then
[2016-12-06 19:21:41] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: just charge a fee to do it
[2016-12-06 19:21:45] j8 : 90% of the time when people have this problem, it's spread and fees
[2016-12-06 19:21:59] Lord Rothschild : You are right, I should email support, thank you.
[2016-12-06 19:22:01] sleger : then charge a fee to explain that new fee
[2016-12-06 19:22:04] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: :+1: haha
[2016-12-06 19:22:42] sleger : Lord Rothschild: support is him as well
[2016-12-06 19:22:46] sleger : via email
[2016-12-06 19:23:10] Lord Rothschild : trying to be nice lol
[2016-12-06 19:23:19] BigDaddyBigDick : yup spread plays a big part as well.
[2016-12-06 19:23:55] sleger : another quoine mini flash crash as usual
[2016-12-06 19:23:57] y1uy : btc looks like a good buy
[2016-12-06 19:23:59] BitMEX_Greg : Lord Rothschild: If you want to email us at support@bitmex.com please include a detailed explanation of the issue you are seeing on the platform. Thanks
[2016-12-06 19:24:10] y1uy : great update guys
[2016-12-06 19:24:34] BigDaddyBigDick : quoine dont give a fuk. Does what it wants whenever it wants
[2016-12-06 19:24:34] mjones : love the dark theme enhancements
[2016-12-06 19:25:07] wurstgelee : mjones: +1
[2016-12-06 19:25:09] sleger : what is really funny, is that what stopped the flash crash is this : BTCJPY BUY ฿1.00000 × ¥91,001 my order to buy 1 .....
[2016-12-06 19:25:35] BigDaddyBigDick : lmao
[2016-12-06 19:26:02] sleger : i think whats going on there is really shady, im going to remove my funds soon, not worth it
[2016-12-06 19:26:21] j8 : yeah i'm getting a bad feeling about them too
[2016-12-06 19:26:33] BigDaddyBigDick : ya i had to stop trading there. To much deviation from normal btc prices
[2016-12-06 19:26:35] sleger : bitmex, you changing jpy index after dec 30 ?
[2016-12-06 19:26:55] BitMEX_Sam : We're looking into it due to the pricing issues
[2016-12-06 19:26:58] BitMEX_Sam : Nothing in stone yet
[2016-12-06 19:27:08] sleger : i dont mind the deviation, its just another opportunity, however i think they are margin calling traders on purpose
[2016-12-06 19:28:40] j8 : opportunity is great but i start to get worried about whats going on there when it has like no correlation with other btc markets
[2016-12-06 19:28:46] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: but nothing is changing before dec30 that would impact JZ16 right ?
[2016-12-06 19:29:02] sleger : j8: bitflyer is also above usd markets though
[2016-12-06 19:29:33] j8 : i don't feel great about bitflyer either, the FX product seems really poorly thought out
[2016-12-06 19:29:37] BigDaddyBigDick : ya the deviation can be a blessing or a curse, i dont enjoy risking with that nonsense
[2016-12-06 19:30:01] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Current plans are for XBJH17 only
[2016-12-06 19:30:07] sleger : BigDaddyBigDick: worst case i sell my btc there and withdraw jpy
[2016-12-06 19:30:25] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: ok great, making sure nothing would affect settlement price of a live contract
[2016-12-06 19:30:32] BigDaddyBigDick : holla back
[2016-12-06 19:31:18] j8 : the bitflyer UI even has flashing lights and sounds like a real casino...
[2016-12-06 19:31:42] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Yeah, it's a crypto pachinko machine
[2016-12-06 19:31:50] j8 : maddening
[2016-12-06 19:32:00] BitMEX_Sam : You can turn most of the sounds off.
[2016-12-06 19:32:01] sleger : j8: they also spread O2 through your speakers to keep you awake and playing
[2016-12-06 19:32:14] j8 : heh that'll be the day
[2016-12-06 19:32:29] BitMEX_Sam : It's a decent interface overall, I like it, but I turned off all of the sounds; I find the trade sound is pretty decent though and something I might add here as an opt-in
[2016-12-06 19:32:44] BigDaddyBigDick : thats gold sleger ahah
[2016-12-06 19:49:41] rapidtrades : dec premium down to $9
[2016-12-06 19:49:49] rapidtrades : this bastard swings doesn't it
[2016-12-06 19:50:07] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Sam: This when you get paid funding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApGJpmO70dM or close in profit
[2016-12-06 19:51:40] j8 : rapidtrades: it's tightened with okc quarterly a lot, china premium almost gone
[2016-12-06 19:51:43] rapidtrades : usd/cnh bit higher today at 6.88
[2016-12-06 19:52:16] rapidtrades : j8: only 1% on china
[2016-12-06 19:52:44] sleger : all eyes on quoine now, china doesnt matter
[2016-12-06 19:53:09] rapidtrades : quoine is full of shit
[2016-12-06 19:53:25] mjones : ^
[2016-12-06 19:53:42] rapidtrades : spot 803, dec futures 797
[2016-12-06 19:54:39] rapidtrades : any news why their rates are so f*Cked up? liquidity issues or what
[2016-12-06 19:56:58] sleger : their rates are awesome
[2016-12-06 19:57:06] sleger : who doesnt like spot at 800+
[2016-12-06 19:59:32] rapidtrades : I see bitflyer is quoting similar prices
[2016-12-06 19:59:40] sleger : cause they know too
[2016-12-06 19:59:48] sleger : 800 still cheap
[2016-12-06 20:00:45] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-12-06 20:00:48] sleger : WIN is open !!
[2016-12-06 20:01:11] j8 : great lets do another limit up. kthx
[2016-12-06 20:02:43] rapidtrades : $50 premium is mtgox level shit
[2016-12-06 20:02:58] rapidtrades : are we sure bitflyer or quoine isn't going under
[2016-12-06 20:03:43] mjones : bigger walls on swap.
[2016-12-06 20:04:01] rapidtrades : it's all smoke and mirrors
[2016-12-06 20:04:16] j8 : they would have to both be going under though right.
[2016-12-06 20:04:17] mjones : i see people still buying ETCWIN
[2016-12-06 20:06:24] CaptainDean : Anyone have heard from Micmix ?
[2016-12-06 20:06:31] CaptainDean : Today is the day
[2016-12-06 20:06:49] CaptainDean : He's probably reading his book :P
[2016-12-06 20:06:55] CaptainDean : ;D
[2016-12-06 20:07:04] j8 : lined up at the bookstore with a costume on i bet
[2016-12-06 20:07:19] rapidtrades : thanks for reminding us about ur 1 btc win @CaptainDean
[2016-12-06 20:07:32] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: it was 0.5 :P
[2016-12-06 20:07:45] rapidtrades : even better
[2016-12-06 20:07:54] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: it's like pennies for you anyway
[2016-12-06 20:08:13] rapidtrades : not really, no
[2016-12-06 20:09:01] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: ;-)
[2016-12-06 20:13:19] numero : CaptainDean: it is like pennies for you though ;)
[2016-12-06 20:13:35] CaptainDean : numero: I wish !!
[2016-12-06 20:14:22] CaptainDean : It was definitely more then any hour paid I have earned in my life
[2016-12-06 20:15:03] numero : you mean you're not a ceo or a neurosurgeon?
[2016-12-06 20:15:31] CaptainDean : numero: no not really :P
[2016-12-06 20:15:44] numero : and not a celebrity?
[2016-12-06 20:16:15] CaptainDean : numero: Why would I ?
[2016-12-06 20:17:15] CaptainDean : I wish I was Scarlett Johansson
[2016-12-06 20:17:40] numero : no reason, you earned that 0.5 btc for sure . . . very impressive sleuthing
[2016-12-06 20:18:01] sleger : WIN is dead
[2016-12-06 20:18:13] CaptainDean : Yeah the last minutes tip makes me find it
[2016-12-06 20:18:47] CaptainDean : that and my girldfirend telling me to watch The Expanse for a 1-2 weeks :P
[2016-12-06 20:19:34] CaptainDean : ETH sell side loosing for weight, buy side at 5000 BTC
[2016-12-06 20:20:50] wurstgelee : ditch expanse, watch westworld
[2016-12-06 20:21:07] sleger : jpy losing its premium !
[2016-12-06 20:21:23] j8 : burn baby burn
[2016-12-06 20:21:40] j8 : sleger: maybe don't put up a 1 btc wall this time
[2016-12-06 20:21:56] sleger : i dont have one this time
[2016-12-06 20:22:12] j8 : excellent
[2016-12-06 20:23:38] j8 : couple thousand btc changing hands this time
[2016-12-06 20:23:54] j8 : or changing from one hand to the other, who knows
[2016-12-06 20:24:17] sleger : maybe someone finally realized they can withdraw cash and exchange for usd
[2016-12-06 20:24:47] j8 : it's a brilliant strategy
[2016-12-06 20:29:19] sleger : quoine is such a nightmare, it creates a new position for every order submitted, i have over 100 short positions...
[2016-12-06 20:29:52] Tetsuo : sounds great
[2016-12-06 20:30:01] sleger : and you cannot close by buying so you either have to close them one by one, or just the magic close all button
[2016-12-06 20:30:07] sleger : which sends a huge market order.... lol
[2016-12-06 20:31:00] Tetsuo : i give them 3-4 months until their systems breaks down or they get "hacked and robbed"
[2016-12-06 20:31:35] Tetsuo : are we sure Karpeles isn´t behind this?
[2016-12-06 20:31:53] sleger : no, the ceo looks like a fat coffee drinker guy
[2016-12-06 20:31:58] sleger : how did karpeles look ?
[2016-12-06 20:32:02] Tetsuo : ok, it´s fine then :-)
[2016-12-06 20:37:46] Velancry : threr
[2016-12-06 20:38:05] Tetsuo : no
[2016-12-06 20:49:30] sleger : eth 0.01
[2016-12-06 20:50:00] wurstgelee : and above
[2016-12-06 20:50:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 977 @ 0.010070
[2016-12-06 20:51:08] Julsss : Hello
[2016-12-06 20:51:17] mjones : eth insane
[2016-12-06 20:51:45] Julsss : Does BitMex requires proof of ID to depotis/withdraw BTC?
[2016-12-06 20:52:00] sleger : Julsss: yes and you need to be american
[2016-12-06 20:52:01] j8 : nope
[2016-12-06 20:52:20] mjones : up 31%
[2016-12-06 20:52:23] Julsss : oookay.
[2016-12-06 20:52:38] imabeast : yesssss
[2016-12-06 20:52:39] BitMEX_Greg : Julsss: No we don't
[2016-12-06 20:52:54] Julsss : ah!
[2016-12-06 20:53:12] imabeast : got my short in eth right at the top
[2016-12-06 20:55:17] Julsss : Thanks BitMEX_Greg
[2016-12-06 20:55:29] BitMEX_Greg : np
[2016-12-06 20:55:52] CaptainDean : mjones: so we finally made it to 0.01 still going long ?
[2016-12-06 20:56:35] sleger : it's just been confirmed on polo trollbox that eth going to 0.04 now
[2016-12-06 20:56:47] CaptainDean : sleger: Epic
[2016-12-06 20:57:41] CaptainDean : sleger: I might be able to sell my car and gamble it before it goes to moon
[2016-12-06 20:58:04] sleger : CaptainDean: if its red and goes above 200mph let me know i might buy
[2016-12-06 20:59:00] CaptainDean : sleger: yeah it's making strange noise
[2016-12-06 20:59:13] mjones : CaptainDean: ETH is crazy. whales can easily get in and out so they could push it higher for more profit
[2016-12-06 20:59:17] CaptainDean : sleger: and smells dead fish
[2016-12-06 21:00:34] mjones : and whales dumping on other whales for hundreds of BTC in profit. good times
[2016-12-06 21:01:25] mjones : usd exchanges inching up while china is going sideways
[2016-12-06 21:04:03] CaptainDean : mjones: yeah crazy
[2016-12-06 21:04:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 500 @ 0.010020
[2016-12-06 21:04:18] CaptainDean : mjones: i wish I was up this morning for the massive dump
[2016-12-06 21:06:40] xiaoping : What is ETCWIN? :)
[2016-12-06 21:06:57] j8 : a very good question
[2016-12-06 21:07:12] sleger : etcwin = 1 - etclose @xiaoping
[2016-12-06 21:07:45] xiaoping : is it dao project on etc?
[2016-12-06 21:07:56] sleger : no, that is etcdao
[2016-12-06 21:08:44] j8 : it's a token for investing in an etc based exchange
[2016-12-06 21:09:16] numero : it's a vehicle for speculation running on zec hype fumes
[2016-12-06 21:10:46] j8 : xiaoping: all the info about it is in chinese so honestly we don't really know
[2016-12-06 21:10:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.010220
[2016-12-06 21:16:33] m3s : eth shorts getting rekt
[2016-12-06 21:16:42] m3s : such a strong bounce, jesus
[2016-12-06 21:19:14] Dtrade16 : Why are you guys shorting ETH when it's running up so hard?
[2016-12-06 21:19:15] Dtrade16 : Crazy
[2016-12-06 21:19:29] Dtrade16 : I will pray for you guys
[2016-12-06 21:19:41] m3s : noone expected this hard of a bounce, its up 40% from bottom
[2016-12-06 21:20:06] b1tn1k : was primed for a bounce imo
[2016-12-06 21:20:11] Dtrade16 : It's extrmly undervalued
[2016-12-06 21:20:23] b1tn1k : totally oversold
[2016-12-06 21:20:25] Dtrade16 : That shouldn't be too much to expect
[2016-12-06 21:20:25] m3s : yeah but that much? needs to retrace to 50% fib imo
[2016-12-06 21:20:35] Dtrade16 : It's worth way more
[2016-12-06 21:20:48] Dtrade16 : It was at 10 buxx not too long ago
[2016-12-06 21:21:25] m3s : many argue it has no value due to loss of trust, forks and bailouts
[2016-12-06 21:21:33] Dtrade16 : Bullshit
[2016-12-06 21:21:43] Dtrade16 : Those guys just want your coins
[2016-12-06 21:21:58] Julsss : Does BitMEX only work with Contracts?
[2016-12-06 21:22:03] Dtrade16 : It does have value
[2016-12-06 21:22:41] j8 : Julsss: yes it's derivatives only
[2016-12-06 21:23:10] Dtrade16 : If that were the case than btc should have no value either
[2016-12-06 21:23:27] Dtrade16 : ppl know what they signed up for when getting into crypto
[2016-12-06 21:24:29] CaptainDean : the Fork is push to fix an issue into the code, meaning we get better from our past mistake. Those forking fears are pretty much some way to fuck around holders trust
[2016-12-06 21:24:39] CaptainDean : Is to push a fix**
[2016-12-06 21:25:11] CaptainDean : unless the fork just fuck everything
[2016-12-06 21:26:46] CaptainDean : The fork is just a simple fix into the code*** fuck my english
[2016-12-06 21:34:01] mjones : some people just really believe in eth
[2016-12-06 21:48:50] mjones : shorting REP to 0?
[2016-12-06 21:54:09] rapidtrades : any japs here?
[2016-12-06 21:54:24] rapidtrades : why are u paying $800 per btc?
[2016-12-06 21:56:44] sleger : bicoz soun it iz 1000$ ahahah
[2016-12-06 21:59:36] rapidtrades : yen lost 10% against the dollar since trump win
[2016-12-06 22:00:04] rapidtrades : maybe that's the reason? pure panic mode
[2016-12-06 22:00:53] zanza : "japs"
[2016-12-06 22:04:09] rapidtrades : indeed
[2016-12-06 22:05:02] Tetsuo : ETC gettin bitch slapped
[2016-12-06 22:05:27] sleger : ETCwin untouched
[2016-12-06 22:06:08] Tetsuo : why aren´t we at upper limit?
[2016-12-06 22:06:10] j8 : rapidtrades: you could try google translate on bitflyer's trollbox
[2016-12-06 22:07:23] rapidtrades : maybe we should open a new jap chat
[2016-12-06 22:07:24] sleger : did you learn anything ?
[2016-12-06 22:07:43] rapidtrades : so we can lure them in and monitor their convos
[2016-12-06 22:07:43] sleger : i dumped 100btc on quoine
[2016-12-06 22:08:23] sleger : 50 just before the crash actually, not sure if any relationship though
[2016-12-06 22:09:36] rapidtrades : yeah i learned 2 lessons
[2016-12-06 22:09:49] rapidtrades : 1. have money 2. don't be poor
[2016-12-06 22:10:06] sleger : and what you gonna do about it
[2016-12-06 22:10:25] sleger : did you get margin called somewhere ?
[2016-12-06 22:12:42] Tetsuo : Will quoine also provide us some retarded spike downs?
[2016-12-06 22:13:08] sleger : the spikes down were quoine
[2016-12-06 22:13:35] Tetsuo : i meant like the one to 99000
[2016-12-06 22:14:55] sleger : 90000 you mean ?
[2016-12-06 22:15:32] rapidtrades : does quoine have leverage? why would u sell there
[2016-12-06 22:15:34] Tetsuo : https://cryptowat.ch/quoine/btcjpy/12h shows 98441
[2016-12-06 22:16:07] sleger : Tetsuo: thats not a spike down, but up. IOr maybe your monitor is setup upside down ?
[2016-12-06 22:16:17] sleger : rapidtrades: ofc they do.
[2016-12-06 22:16:24] Tetsuo : sleger: read my text again
[2016-12-06 22:16:25] sleger : and no fees
[2016-12-06 22:16:26] rapidtrades : how much
[2016-12-06 22:16:35] sleger : rapidtrades: 20 i think
[2016-12-06 22:16:37] Tetsuo : "will" "also" "down"
[2016-12-06 22:16:49] rapidtrades : 20? on a spot exchange?
[2016-12-06 22:17:06] sleger : Tetsuo: well they had a spike to 90k less than 12 hours ago
[2016-12-06 22:17:12] sleger : rapidtrades: its margin, but yes
[2016-12-06 22:17:27] sleger : sorry its not 20x
[2016-12-06 22:17:30] rapidtrades : how is that sustainable?
[2016-12-06 22:17:30] sleger : i read that wrong
[2016-12-06 22:17:35] sleger : it's 25
[2016-12-06 22:17:36] sleger : .....
[2016-12-06 22:17:54] rapidtrades : so who pays out the bitcoins when we crash
[2016-12-06 22:18:04] sleger : mark K
[2016-12-06 22:18:04] Tetsuo : god i hate crypto exchanges even more than i hate cryptocoiners
[2016-12-06 22:18:33] Tetsuo : sleger: has he found another cold wallet?
[2016-12-06 22:18:33] rapidtrades : are u sure they're spot and not futures?
[2016-12-06 22:18:46] sleger : rapidtrades: yes, futures are another tab
[2016-12-06 22:18:57] Tetsuo : sleger: do they have a chat?
[2016-12-06 22:19:03] sleger : and they're just a copy of the bitmex prices
[2016-12-06 22:19:08] rapidtrades : u can't guarantee delivery at 25 leverage
[2016-12-06 22:19:09] sleger : no chat no, you cant go there
[2016-12-06 22:19:17] laisee : quoine has spot, margin and remarketing futurs from here
[2016-12-06 22:19:26] sleger : rapidtrades: why would it be possible at 3x and not at 25x ?
[2016-12-06 22:19:57] rapidtrades : why? cos we fell 40 percent in few hours just 1 month ago
[2016-12-06 22:20:11] sleger : same problem with 3x
[2016-12-06 22:20:40] rapidtrades : no cos at 25x u only need a gap of 4% to open the exchange to losses
[2016-12-06 22:20:40] sleger : either the books are crooked which would be hillarious, or people lending will lose their bitcoins
[2016-12-06 22:21:08] laisee : rapidtrades: u don't know how fast is there margin engine
[2016-12-06 22:21:21] sleger : laisee: it is extreeeeeemely
[2016-12-06 22:21:22] sleger : slow
[2016-12-06 22:21:49] rapidtrades : doesn't matter how fast it is, 4% drop is nothing for bitcoin
[2016-12-06 22:21:57] rapidtrades : literally any news can go over that
[2016-12-06 22:21:58] laisee : sounds like a sure winner, then
[2016-12-06 22:22:05] rapidtrades : bitinex hack, china rumors
[2016-12-06 22:22:12] sleger : rapidtrades: it doesnt matter, people lending wil lose their bitcoin thats it
[2016-12-06 22:22:39] rapidtrades : what happens if we gap >4%
[2016-12-06 22:23:05] sleger : people lending bitcoin will lose theirs
[2016-12-06 22:23:11] laisee : well they are still afloat after couple of years so maybe > 4 % will nto crush them ...
[2016-12-06 22:23:24] sleger : there is NO risk for the exchange here
[2016-12-06 22:23:52] habibi : no adl there?
[2016-12-06 22:23:58] sleger : unless they are lending other customer bitcoins without them knowing of course (= crooked books)
[2016-12-06 22:24:05] rapidtrades : then the risk is on you @sleger
[2016-12-06 22:24:07] habibi : ah its spot, nvm
[2016-12-06 22:24:08] sleger : habibi: its margin not futures
[2016-12-06 22:24:14] sleger : rapidtrades: no im not lending
[2016-12-06 22:25:04] laisee : or they change cntract during its lifetime ... no risk at all
[2016-12-06 22:25:20] sleger : i dont think they are that crooked
[2016-12-06 22:25:47] laisee : so there is some possible risk, then. a number > 0.00
[2016-12-06 22:26:34] rapidtrades : their FAW page is 404
[2016-12-06 22:33:26] rapidtrades : their INR pair is quoting 847
[2016-12-06 22:34:28] rapidtrades : sleger: what currency did u sell for?
[2016-12-06 22:34:29] sleger : look at their EUR price vs USD price
[2016-12-06 22:34:29] laisee : sou ds like a strong buy
[2016-12-06 22:34:36] sleger : i sold JPY
[2016-12-06 22:35:12] rapidtrades : eur 792
[2016-12-06 22:35:54] mjones : damn btc. i thought it was going down so i close my long and then it's like oh i'll just go up $4 now
[2016-12-06 22:36:36] rapidtrades : looks like its idiots running high on margin and bidding up all pairs @sleger
[2016-12-06 22:36:47] sleger : no clue
[2016-12-06 22:37:37] rapidtrades : their CNY is 9% above china
[2016-12-06 22:41:34] rapidtrades : sleger: looks like spot is capped at 5x? unlesss their demo is innacurate
[2016-12-06 22:41:49] sleger : there are 2 tabs: spot and margin
[2016-12-06 22:41:52] sleger : spot is 1x
[2016-12-06 22:41:56] sleger : margin is 25x
[2016-12-06 22:42:29] anonymous789 : mjones: looks like a bear flag on the hourly, so still think it's going down soon
[2016-12-06 22:43:36] rapidtrades : sleger: ah yes...im an idiot
[2016-12-06 22:49:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 7000 @ 757.47
[2016-12-06 22:59:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.009830
[2016-12-06 23:06:56] mjones : right anonymous789 but BTC finds a way to pump back up time and time again
[2016-12-06 23:07:41] mjones : it can pump another 20-30 CNY but then needs to break up up up otherwise just another failed attempt
[2016-12-06 23:11:00] anonymous789 : mjones: daily looks bearish
[2016-12-06 23:11:04] anonymous789 : short term
[2016-12-06 23:17:42] mjones : CNY yeah. stamp doesnt look as bad
[2016-12-06 23:20:08] mjones : ETH 0.01 support
[2016-12-06 23:57:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.010170
[2016-12-06 23:58:45] CaptainDean : mjones: buy side has droped a bit now 4600 btc
[2016-12-06 23:59:23] mjones : yeah. will be interesting to see if price tanks or if buyers are legit and it'll go sideways / up more
[2016-12-07 00:00:06] CaptainDean : mjones: yeah but the sell side diodn'T grow much like 25k coins
[2016-12-07 00:00:33] CaptainDean : Zec is sleeping today
[2016-12-07 00:13:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.009900
[2016-12-07 00:15:57] mjones : meh. that's why you short the triple top
[2016-12-07 00:19:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1500 @ 0.009740
[2016-12-07 00:20:19] mjones : gg eth. mm left the building
[2016-12-07 00:20:46] CaptainDean : "today is a bad day" - MM
[2016-12-07 00:22:14] mjones : when MM finds out ETH is coming back down http://i.imgur.com/DCqRUwO.gif
[2016-12-07 00:22:33] CaptainDean : ;-)
[2016-12-07 00:24:58] sleger : guys the MM is long now
[2016-12-07 00:51:21] arbitrage001 : wow gee
[2016-12-07 00:51:34] arbitrage001 : what happen to the premium for z16
[2016-12-07 00:52:28] rms : the legend of the trollbox is that the premium was based on one whale shorter
[2016-12-07 00:52:38] rms : when he was liquidated, it went to a 10-20% discount
[2016-12-07 00:52:49] rms : and it went to spot as a bot has been buying whenever it's below market
[2016-12-07 00:53:08] arbitrage001 : dont see bot buying
[2016-12-07 00:53:55] rms : watch me, i'm going to make a buy order for like .062 and then the bot will front run my order
[2016-12-07 00:54:28] rms : or maybe he's gone then
[2016-12-07 00:54:46] rms : feel free to whale short then and kill the premium
[2016-12-07 00:55:09] arbitrage001 : would be stupid to short when premium is low
[2016-12-07 01:05:44] mjones : z16?
[2016-12-07 01:06:10] mjones : near record amount of open contracts and premium is at or near ATL
[2016-12-07 01:06:13] username123 : Question, if I am holding 100 contracts (long) and want to sell them all at a certain future price, where/how would I do that? I dont have time to keep an eye on the price all night
[2016-12-07 01:06:25] username123 : limit contracts I should say
[2016-12-07 01:07:01] mjones : you want to sell those contracts if price goes down to a certain price? or sell if price goes up to a certain point but hold if price goes down
[2016-12-07 01:07:45] mjones : limit order put quantity 100 and limit price where you want to sell
[2016-12-07 01:08:06] username123 : Yea, basically I have a stop set already in case we go down, I just down know how to set one for the opposite direction. I.E. if the price goes to 770 while I sleep I want to sell, but not before that amount
[2016-12-07 01:09:05] username123 : "Take Profit Limit" maybe?
[2016-12-07 01:11:34] sleger : just limit
[2016-12-07 01:35:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 16 @ 0.009570
[2016-12-07 01:42:48] j8 : XBTZ16 premium is definitely going to zero
[2016-12-07 01:43:08] arbitrage001 : j8: why?
[2016-12-07 01:43:22] j8 : arbitrage001: because that's how futures work :)
[2016-12-07 01:43:23] arbitrage001 : okc heading to discount area?
[2016-12-07 01:43:49] arbitrage001 : finex usd lending rate is high
[2016-12-07 01:44:00] arbitrage001 : and btc lending rate is low
[2016-12-07 01:44:07] j8 : it might take 23 days, it's definitely going to zero though
[2016-12-07 01:44:56] arbitrage001 : the sentiment is price will drop?
[2016-12-07 01:45:48] arbitrage001 : premium was as high as 3.3% jst a few days ago
[2016-12-07 01:46:29] j8 : sentiment is definitely bad
[2016-12-07 01:46:46] rms : the premium goes up here when interest rates go up on the perpetual swaps
[2016-12-07 01:47:05] rms : so there was a $20 premium here when interest was through the roof
[2016-12-07 01:47:08] rms : but now it's reasonable again
[2016-12-07 01:47:17] rms : plus sentiment isn't great
[2016-12-07 01:47:23] rms : and the gap between us and china getting more narrow
[2016-12-07 01:47:28] mjones : zec dumping
[2016-12-07 01:47:48] arbitrage001 : mjones: dump more lol
[2016-12-07 01:48:04] arbitrage001 : waiting for the right price to re-entry my position
[2016-12-07 01:48:13] arbitrage001 : prefer less than 10 usd percoin
[2016-12-07 01:48:41] rms : presale zcoin investors paid $15 per coin when btc was worth like $250
[2016-12-07 01:49:17] arbitrage001 : rms: dont think price matter much on what investors paid
[2016-12-07 01:50:08] rms : well they probably won't sell below that price...
[2016-12-07 01:50:37] arbitrage001 : just a small position on the total supply
[2016-12-07 01:50:40] arbitrage001 : less than 5% i think
[2016-12-07 01:50:55] arbitrage001 : miners will control 90% stake, so their production cost matter more
[2016-12-07 01:51:32] arbitrage001 : and how useful the coin is to the criminal is the key
[2016-12-07 01:54:25] mjones : i cant figure out how to get people to use anon coins quickly
[2016-12-07 01:55:22] mjones : dnm / tor users have been using BTC for years and they can easily get in and out of BTC and it doesnt seem to be an issue
[2016-12-07 01:57:11] mjones : combine zcash anon with what sdc is trying to do with the xmr pump group and we might have something
[2016-12-07 01:57:40] arbitrage001 : mjones: sdc?
[2016-12-07 01:57:55] mjones : shadowcash
[2016-12-07 01:59:13] mjones : has shadowmarket and shadowchat
[2016-12-07 01:59:44] arbitrage001 : when did they start development?
[2016-12-07 01:59:50] arbitrage001 : and how credible is the team
[2016-12-07 01:59:59] arbitrage001 : too many pump and dump coin
[2016-12-07 02:00:23] mjones : it's an older coin. quickly mined coin. which people hated. it pumped and dumped back in the day and recently went 10x
[2016-12-07 02:00:36] mjones : but there is a severe lack of buy support which says to me 0 interest besides the people who hold SDC
[2016-12-07 02:00:47] arbitrage001 : see,
[2016-12-07 02:00:49] arbitrage001 : that is the problem
[2016-12-07 02:01:05] arbitrage001 : serious coin need credible support team
[2016-12-07 02:01:10] arbitrage001 : and anti-pump and dump
[2016-12-07 02:01:33] mjones : which is hard to do
[2016-12-07 02:01:39] arbitrage001 : if i am a developer, my goal will change as soon as i get rich
[2016-12-07 02:01:47] arbitrage001 : just sell and quit
[2016-12-07 02:01:53] arbitrage001 : retire in hawaii
[2016-12-07 02:01:57] mjones : yeah
[2016-12-07 02:02:59] mjones : that's why anon coin needs to be on all exchanges, localbitcoins needs to expand to offer an anon coin. the anon coin needs to offer somethings to make people interested
[2016-12-07 02:03:11] rms : why hawaii?
[2016-12-07 02:03:50] rms : i think zcash will get a lot of support from the silicon valley community that funded it
[2016-12-07 02:03:56] arbitrage001 : just something someone usually said when they get rich
[2016-12-07 02:03:57] rms : and that will help with buzz a lot compared to XMR
[2016-12-07 02:04:23] rms : ;) hawaii is like america, too expensive, even when you're rich
[2016-12-07 02:04:32] arbitrage001 : is it?
[2016-12-07 02:05:16] rms : yeah... i would recommend retiring to whichever southeast asian country has your favorite food
[2016-12-07 02:05:29] rms : let me know when i can invest in your shitcoin
[2016-12-07 02:06:14] mjones : and i suppose you can quietly accumulate ZEC as people come around to BTC and then anon coins
[2016-12-07 02:06:54] rms : and i guess people say xmr will probably always be faster than zec but zero knowledge proofs just sound cool
[2016-12-07 02:08:19] mjones : with china invested so much into BTC i dont know if they will ever add another coin
[2016-12-07 02:09:34] rms : well at least until people figure out that the blockchain is immutable and that it takes a lot of work to move millions of dollars secretly
[2016-12-07 02:11:06] mjones : true. that will be cool to transfer money around and no one can see it or tell you sent some
[2016-12-07 02:14:52] sleger : how do you trace money going from exchange wallet to exchange wallet ?
[2016-12-07 02:16:48] rms : it's hard if the transfers were always BTC
[2016-12-07 02:17:01] rms : but if someone dealt in electronic fiat money there would be KYC information
[2016-12-07 02:19:20] mjones : you can transfer btc around in a way that it'll be near impossible to trace
[2016-12-07 02:22:27] sleger : just for instance, create new account at bitmex, send btc, withdraw btc to other address, done
[2016-12-07 02:26:37] cookielito : When the hell we gonna drop a bit here
[2016-12-07 02:26:38] cookielito : ?
[2016-12-07 02:30:50] mjones : most likely wont
[2016-12-07 02:37:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 424 @ 0.009650
[2016-12-07 02:49:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.009680
[2016-12-07 02:52:56] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.8808 (vs. yesterday at 6.8575)
[2016-12-07 02:53:28] rapidtrades : shooting up to 6.90 atm
[2016-12-07 02:53:41] rapidtrades : that's offshore tho...prolly not gonna last
[2016-12-07 03:21:05] Dtrade16 : Any way you guys can make the chat font bigger?
[2016-12-07 03:22:43] mjones : it is a tad small but for my young eyes it doesnt matter.
[2016-12-07 03:36:01] mjones : test
[2016-12-07 03:36:31] mjones : 0.01 became resistance for ETH. lets see how long it lasts before pumping again
[2016-12-07 03:43:43] gank : mjones: eth bumping again??? haha