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[2016-12-02 16:17:36] thiago : what, "Avail" means?
[2016-12-02 16:17:43] thiago : the amount left ..
[2016-12-02 16:18:16] mjones : where do you see that?
[2016-12-02 16:18:29] thiago : top right corner
[2016-12-02 16:19:18] sleger : it's what s avail.....able
[2016-12-02 16:20:10] thiago : its funny how my crazy ex gf prepared me well for this. . .
[2016-12-02 16:25:09] elmorte : go on...
[2016-12-02 16:26:21] thiago : when shit get too crazy normal people cry or get sad. . .
[2016-12-02 16:27:57] thiago : traders just get rekt and write a twitter bot for lols
[2016-12-02 16:28:12] Mike17 : is time to bay at good prise jiji
[2016-12-02 16:31:08] thiago : going up
[2016-12-02 16:32:13] wurstgelee : u guys should use the 1 min chart less :p
[2016-12-02 16:32:19] wurstgelee : a lot less
[2016-12-02 16:32:34] thiago : lol
[2016-12-02 16:32:44] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-02 16:32:53] Rado : my default is 30 min
[2016-12-02 16:33:03] thiago : 5455. . .
[2016-12-02 16:33:14] thiago : 5455 *
[2016-12-02 16:33:22] wurstgelee : i use low tf and the lowest i use is 5min
[2016-12-02 16:33:30] wurstgelee : for entry and exit.finding ;)
[2016-12-02 16:35:55] Rado : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyrvhIHWEAAWYD0.jpg
[2016-12-02 16:36:17] wurstgelee : Rado: saw that on twitter
[2016-12-02 16:36:19] wurstgelee : i laughed
[2016-12-02 16:36:25] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-02 16:36:26] wurstgelee : pretty accurate
[2016-12-02 16:38:12] thiago : lol
[2016-12-02 16:38:26] thiago : I watch every step, its my freaking money
[2016-12-02 16:39:06] wurstgelee : it doesnt help you
[2016-12-02 16:39:26] wurstgelee : if u have a good entry and you are confident towards your trade, you shouldnt bother
[2016-12-02 16:39:34] wurstgelee : if u dont have and are not, you are in the wrong trade
[2016-12-02 16:39:36] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-12-02 16:42:47] thiago : I always think of a "wall street warriors" episode when Tim Sykes lost money because wasting time doing interview lol
[2016-12-02 16:44:45] wurstgelee : that might be the case, especially with high leverage, but you'll do better in the long run with not taking fomo entries and exits. which you do if u watch 1 min chart ;)
[2016-12-02 16:44:59] wurstgelee : which isnt valid for educated long fomo ofc. that's the best fomo :D
[2016-12-02 16:45:43] thiago : Thanks for the toughts
[2016-12-02 16:47:59] wurstgelee : np. those are free and come with no guarantee :)
[2016-12-02 16:49:46] m3s : cmon bitcoin, drop another leg
[2016-12-02 16:55:18] wurstgelee : it didnt really drop tho. just btc's signature fuck-u-all move
[2016-12-02 16:56:39] thiago : if you blinked for a second is still up
[2016-12-02 16:57:23] ScottJ : failed chinese dump
[2016-12-02 16:58:41] wurstgelee : no, that was a stop run
[2016-12-02 16:58:44] wurstgelee : not a dump attempt
[2016-12-02 16:59:15] Coconuter : why is the website layout bugued for Android smartphones
[2016-12-02 16:59:25] Coconuter : ?
[2016-12-02 16:59:33] wurstgelee : mc shorts firstr, mc late longs immediately after, retrace to previous situation: btc's signatur fuck-u-move
[2016-12-02 16:59:36] Coconuter : i couldnt login
[2016-12-02 16:59:44] wurstgelee : can occur in opposite way ofc, first mc longs, then shorts ;)
[2016-12-02 16:59:45] BitMEX_Greg : Coconuter: What issues are you encounting?
[2016-12-02 16:59:52] Coconuter : the login fields
[2016-12-02 16:59:57] Coconuter : are totally wrong
[2016-12-02 17:00:00] Coconuter : on a galaxy s5
[2016-12-02 17:00:07] wurstgelee : sec
[2016-12-02 17:00:08] Coconuter : on index page
[2016-12-02 17:00:37] wurstgelee : Coconuter: looks fine on an s6 with chrome mobile
[2016-12-02 17:00:44] BitMEX_Greg : Do you mind taking a screenshot on your phone and sending to us at support@bitmex.com? I will bring it up with Sam
[2016-12-02 17:00:45] wurstgelee : *-n
[2016-12-02 17:00:49] aethlios : turkish lira another currency that collapses, so btc soon will have many new people interested in it.
[2016-12-02 17:00:49] Coconuter : hmmmm i have the root browser
[2016-12-02 17:00:53] Coconuter : ok
[2016-12-02 17:01:02] Coconuter : ill try other browser also
[2016-12-02 17:01:04] wurstgelee : Coconuter: close browser/new tab, same problem?
[2016-12-02 17:01:05] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks
[2016-12-02 17:01:23] Coconuter : wurstgelee: yes the login field and pass are vertical and cant click on it
[2016-12-02 17:01:28] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-12-02 17:01:30] Coconuter : its the browser that came with the smartphone
[2016-12-02 17:01:33] wurstgelee : that seems weird
[2016-12-02 17:01:47] wurstgelee : dl chrome mobile and check with that
[2016-12-02 17:01:49] wurstgelee : should work
[2016-12-02 17:02:30] Coconuter : yeah but
[2016-12-02 17:02:40] Coconuter : only page that didnt worked so far was bitmex
[2016-12-02 17:02:43] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 17:03:52] BitMEX_Sam : Coconuter: I've seen this - built-in Android browser has awful modern CSS support
[2016-12-02 17:04:09] BitMEX_Sam : I haven't been able to recreate it on any of the simulators because that particular browser is Samsung-specific
[2016-12-02 17:04:31] BitMEX_Sam : It basically never gets patched. Aside from its awful CSS rendering I highly recommend you switch, there are several critical Webkit bugs in those browsers
[2016-12-02 17:04:50] Coconuter : sent to the support
[2016-12-02 17:04:59] Coconuter : yea but first time i see a bug on this browser
[2016-12-02 17:05:02] Coconuter : just sharing anyways
[2016-12-02 17:05:05] Coconuter : :)
[2016-12-02 17:05:12] Coconuter : ill try different browsers
[2016-12-02 17:05:18] Coconuter : if im getting this imagine how many are
[2016-12-02 17:05:27] Coconuter : loging in to the index with root browser
[2016-12-02 17:05:32] Coconuter : and seeing a bugued index
[2016-12-02 17:06:15] BitMEX_Sam : Coconuter: Yeah I don't like it either, but I can't even recreate the bug. Maybe you can help - what version of Android are you on?
[2016-12-02 17:07:03] Coconuter : 6.0.1
[2016-12-02 17:08:52] wurstgelee : switch browser :)
[2016-12-02 17:09:00] BitMEX_Sam : Alright, that helps - thanks @Coconuter
[2016-12-02 17:09:13] sleger : even easier : throw your android in a garbage, buy an iphone
[2016-12-02 17:09:40] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: didn't think you were an apple guy
[2016-12-02 17:10:32] sleger : not really, i only own an iphone, one macbook pro, 2 apple tvs, 2 ipads
[2016-12-02 17:10:47] Coconuter : sleger: lol give me one for xmassss
[2016-12-02 17:11:21] elmorte : My daughter uses an iPad...those things are sturdy
[2016-12-02 17:11:50] Coconuter : i have a iPad but i dont usually take it to lunch on the streets
[2016-12-02 17:12:16] elmorte : I don't usually let her lunch on the streets either
[2016-12-02 17:12:28] thiago : dont lunch on the streets bro. ur bitcoims gonna get murked
[2016-12-02 17:13:42] Coconuter : i always have lunch on restaurants i only cook for dinner
[2016-12-02 17:13:49] Coconuter : to messy to do lunch everyday at home
[2016-12-02 17:13:58] Coconuter : my slaves got dismissed with this brazilian crysis
[2016-12-02 17:15:13] arbitrage001 : why o why is the funding so low
[2016-12-02 17:15:21] thiago : the best solution to brasil is. . . the airport
[2016-12-02 17:16:25] elmorte : Unless....#ForcaChape
[2016-12-02 17:16:39] thiago : LOL
[2016-12-02 17:16:44] Coconuter : in 9 days im out
[2016-12-02 17:16:57] Coconuter : at the airport me and my 2 frenchies
[2016-12-02 17:17:00] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 17:17:18] arbitrage001 : Coconuter: need a python coder?
[2016-12-02 17:17:29] arbitrage001 : <-----
[2016-12-02 17:17:36] thiago : beat me to it lol
[2016-12-02 17:17:53] thiago : I can make lunch
[2016-12-02 17:18:05] Coconuter : arbitrage001: well man for now i have many programmers in india and brazil
[2016-12-02 17:18:24] arbitrage001 : Coconuter: how much they normally get pay?
[2016-12-02 17:18:27] Coconuter : but once i get the proper funding i need ill hire 100+ people directly
[2016-12-02 17:18:55] Coconuter : arbitrage001: dude we go in bulks rather than per hour which they make something wrong from wireframes they need to redo it properly
[2016-12-02 17:19:11] Coconuter : once they trust and like your idea and are proud of developing it and showing to friends, family etc
[2016-12-02 17:19:16] Coconuter : its even cheapper
[2016-12-02 17:19:18] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 17:19:24] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-12-02 17:19:25] Coconuter : since they know they can grow with the project
[2016-12-02 17:19:33] Coconuter : usually is 10U$ per hour
[2016-12-02 17:19:40] Coconuter : but we have more than one working at a time
[2016-12-02 17:19:54] Coconuter : i dont focus on the price per hour but the return and quality of development
[2016-12-02 17:20:00] arbitrage001 : how do you get big project?
[2016-12-02 17:20:08] Coconuter : i invest my own money
[2016-12-02 17:20:10] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 17:20:12] arbitrage001 : or you deal directly with market?
[2016-12-02 17:20:22] Coconuter : i only invest on my own projects now
[2016-12-02 17:20:29] Coconuter : but i can handle others
[2016-12-02 17:20:45] Coconuter : in USA ill build a agency to materialize others project dreams
[2016-12-02 17:21:01] Coconuter : i like crypto because it will be used on all my projects as payments
[2016-12-02 17:21:02] arbitrage001 : like freelancer?
[2016-12-02 17:21:05] Coconuter : smart contracts etc
[2016-12-02 17:21:19] Coconuter : freelancer you need to test them right
[2016-12-02 17:21:29] arbitrage001 : i use it once before
[2016-12-02 17:21:31] Coconuter : its hard to find good people with quality in return of the work
[2016-12-02 17:21:36] arbitrage001 : dont think i will ever use it again
[2016-12-02 17:21:37] Coconuter : took me 2-3 years
[2016-12-02 17:21:40] Coconuter : to build a good team
[2016-12-02 17:21:44] Coconuter : yep
[2016-12-02 17:21:59] Coconuter : its hard but if you work hard also you end up with good people
[2016-12-02 17:22:34] Coconuter : just like bitmex team
[2016-12-02 17:22:40] Coconuter : you think it was easy to build this platform ?
[2016-12-02 17:22:40] arbitrage001 : yea
[2016-12-02 17:22:45] arbitrage001 : i can tell they work very hard
[2016-12-02 17:22:46] Coconuter : better than the others competitors
[2016-12-02 17:22:52] elmorte : arbitrage001: not sleeping yet?
[2016-12-02 17:22:56] arbitrage001 : bitfinex, on the other hand
[2016-12-02 17:22:57] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 17:23:05] arbitrage001 : suck hard
[2016-12-02 17:23:09] Coconuter : bitfinex man i tould what saved me from the hack
[2016-12-02 17:23:14] arbitrage001 : elmorte: night owl here
[2016-12-02 17:23:16] Coconuter : i opened a big long and a stoploss
[2016-12-02 17:23:24] Coconuter : closed manually the long in profit
[2016-12-02 17:23:25] elmorte : haha, nice
[2016-12-02 17:23:30] Coconuter : but the stoploss didnt appeared on the order book
[2016-12-02 17:23:35] Coconuter : due to a BUG on theyre website
[2016-12-02 17:23:45] Coconuter : so when i returned all profit was negative due the hidden stoploss
[2016-12-02 17:23:47] Coconuter : trigerred
[2016-12-02 17:24:12] Coconuter : i took all out and 2 weeks later there was the hack
[2016-12-02 17:24:19] Coconuter : so bad things usually happens for a good reason
[2016-12-02 17:24:21] Coconuter : :)
[2016-12-02 17:24:23] elmorte : we have a different name for a negative profit here....
[2016-12-02 17:24:34] arbitrage001 : elmorte: just finish jogging, then finally able to get threads to fetch ws data from here
[2016-12-02 17:24:39] Coconuter : loss ?
[2016-12-02 17:24:41] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 17:24:52] elmorte : arbitrage001: damn son, it's raining!
[2016-12-02 17:25:02] elmorte : Coconuter: haha...
[2016-12-02 17:25:04] arbitrage001 : elmorte: yes, every day for the last 2 weeks
[2016-12-02 17:25:15] arbitrage001 : raining is good, i stay home and watch porn
[2016-12-02 17:25:24] arbitrage001 : and working on python code
[2016-12-02 17:25:25] Coconuter : how come a multi million brooker doesnt cancel the Stoploss of a contract
[2016-12-02 17:25:31] Coconuter : after it closed the contract
[2016-12-02 17:25:32] Coconuter : automaticlly
[2016-12-02 17:25:38] Coconuter : this is on purpouse
[2016-12-02 17:25:50] Coconuter : same as Okcoin with those fake stoploss junting volume
[2016-12-02 17:25:58] Coconuter : hunting
[2016-12-02 17:26:11] elmorte : arbitrage001: the good old days...
[2016-12-02 17:26:23] arbitrage001 : Coconuter: yes, finex platform have a lot of unresolved bugs
[2016-12-02 17:26:32] arbitrage001 : "known bug"
[2016-12-02 17:26:51] elmorte : Coconuter: I wouldn't call finex a multimillion broker even if the definition sticks...
[2016-12-02 17:26:56] Coconuter : yep its on purpose
[2016-12-02 17:27:13] Coconuter : well they had stolen 70million from clients
[2016-12-02 17:27:14] arbitrage001 : not sure why they dont use some of their profit to hire a competent coder
[2016-12-02 17:27:17] Coconuter : so this is a multi million broker
[2016-12-02 17:28:16] arbitrage001 : they stay around in business because there isn't another good exchange yet
[2016-12-02 17:28:31] arbitrage001 : time is changing, they will run out of time
[2016-12-02 17:28:50] elmorte : I don't know man....it's getting harder to accept fiat
[2016-12-02 17:28:59] elmorte : just look at our local exchanges
[2016-12-02 17:29:04] arbitrage001 : singapore alone has 2 exchanges
[2016-12-02 17:29:13] arbitrage001 : hong kong, a few also
[2016-12-02 17:29:17] elmorte : true....HK has a fw too
[2016-12-02 17:29:52] arbitrage001 : US still have gemini
[2016-12-02 17:29:55] arbitrage001 : and coinbase
[2016-12-02 17:30:04] elmorte : arbitrage001: US is different story
[2016-12-02 17:30:18] Coconuter : coinbase will tell everyone that purchased bitcoin with them
[2016-12-02 17:30:22] Coconuter : so they pay taxes of the bitcoins
[2016-12-02 17:30:48] elmorte : Coconuter: does that mean you can write off the losses as well?
[2016-12-02 17:30:56] Coconuter : yep lol
[2016-12-02 17:31:03] elmorte : well then....
[2016-12-02 17:31:05] Coconuter : but who ever buys and hold
[2016-12-02 17:31:22] Coconuter : only get losses in BTC if theres nothing more the purchase in the world
[2016-12-02 17:31:25] Coconuter : on the long run
[2016-12-02 17:31:49] arbitrage001 : Coconuter: only group of trader who benefit a lot are horders
[2016-12-02 17:32:06] arbitrage001 : buy and dont watch price for a few years
[2016-12-02 17:32:28] arbitrage001 : wake up one day, 50 dollars investment become a few hundreds k
[2016-12-02 17:32:28] Coconuter : yep
[2016-12-02 17:32:46] Coconuter : since i got scammed by other brokers im here to recover it
[2016-12-02 17:32:57] Coconuter : in 3 days i recovered it but im greedy so im leaving it openned
[2016-12-02 17:33:03] Coconuter : LOL god help us
[2016-12-02 17:33:36] thiago : lol
[2016-12-02 17:33:40] Coconuter : at least stoploss is at break even
[2016-12-02 17:33:47] Coconuter : :)
[2016-12-02 17:34:17] thiago : talking about that..
[2016-12-02 17:34:46] thiago : I tried to close my position on that big short.. no chance
[2016-12-02 17:35:03] elmorte : thiago: oh yeah, when I had a really bad position, I moved over most of my coins here to support the margin. Lasted it out eventually
[2016-12-02 17:36:03] Coconuter : thiago: its volatily market you cant even open the order on those moves
[2016-12-02 17:36:26] thiago : by lasted you mean... wait until the red goes away back to normal? @elmorte
[2016-12-02 17:36:45] elmorte : Almost...it went from -15BTC to -2.3
[2016-12-02 17:37:20] thiago : Coconuter: yep.. but if you are on stop loss you can.... so...
[2016-12-02 17:37:31] elmorte : I think it was the early August dump? I remember we landed in Istanbul airport and my messages just went crazy
[2016-12-02 17:37:51] elmorte : Great start to a holiday too
[2016-12-02 17:38:17] elmorte : Late July more like it
[2016-12-02 17:38:39] thiago : elmorte: cant figure out if your name is elmo rte or el morte
[2016-12-02 17:38:49] elmorte : Collected great funding in the process so that helped
[2016-12-02 17:38:51] elmorte : It's El Morte
[2016-12-02 17:39:13] elmorte : But friends call me elmo :)
[2016-12-02 17:44:44] elmorte : Eth gonna go down some more or good to buy in now?
[2016-12-02 17:58:45] Mike17 : btc up
[2016-12-02 18:00:10] Coconuter : elmorte: after the dao hack i took everything out
[2016-12-02 18:00:22] Coconuter : from eth at 17-18U$ when i waked up to the panic
[2016-12-02 18:00:30] elmorte : TheDAO fcked things up majorly...
[2016-12-02 18:00:34] Coconuter : since then every possibility of making 100% profit the whales jump in
[2016-12-02 18:00:45] elmorte : I can't believe they still haven't recovered....
[2016-12-02 18:00:52] Coconuter : i saw that a unexpected fork happened past few days
[2016-12-02 18:00:59] elmorte : Most of these trust issues stem from there
[2016-12-02 18:01:10] Coconuter : so people are bettin ethereum will keep falling
[2016-12-02 18:01:18] Coconuter : and that etc the first real one will rise
[2016-12-02 18:01:31] elmorte : Well, it depends on the hash power
[2016-12-02 18:01:33] BitMEX_Sam : Coconuter: Hey, could you try out https://testnet.bitmex.com on your S5
[2016-12-02 18:01:35] Coconuter : yep they screwed up if not eth would be like 20-30U$ now
[2016-12-02 18:01:54] elmorte : I was monitoring it very closely after the fork and ETC rise
[2016-12-02 18:02:24] Coconuter : BitMEX_Sam: much better now i can see the fields
[2016-12-02 18:02:28] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: Great!
[2016-12-02 18:02:33] Coconuter : the login table is just not centralized
[2016-12-02 18:02:43] Coconuter : :) im a perfeccionist
[2016-12-02 18:02:46] Coconuter : lollllz
[2016-12-02 18:03:14] Coconuter : but now anyone with root browser on S5 can login
[2016-12-02 18:03:38] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, that's a big improvement. Thanks for helping me find that.
[2016-12-02 18:03:38] Coconuter : thanks
[2016-12-02 18:06:43] inconspic : hmm how come the zec future almost is at price parity with the actual price when there's 27d left
[2016-12-02 18:06:56] inconspic : and the supply will almost double since then
[2016-12-02 18:07:21] inconspic : bit strange that people are so optimistic?
[2016-12-02 18:09:44] elmorte : maybe the market has already accounted for the increase in supply?
[2016-12-02 18:10:19] arbitrage001 : roger ver said zcash is good for humanity
[2016-12-02 18:10:26] arbitrage001 : so, we are buying
[2016-12-02 18:10:35] inconspic : haha :)
[2016-12-02 18:10:49] arbitrage001 : all hail hitler!
[2016-12-02 18:10:56] inconspic : I'm more hopeful about Monero
[2016-12-02 18:11:00] arbitrage001 : i mean All hail regoer ver !
[2016-12-02 18:11:55] elmorte : arbitrage001: how are you buying your btc now? Overseas?
[2016-12-02 18:12:19] arbitrage001 : on wallet
[2016-12-02 18:12:30] arbitrage001 : you mean buying btc?
[2016-12-02 18:12:36] arbitrage001 : i always use lbc
[2016-12-02 18:12:54] arbitrage001 : are you sure bitx and coinbox are banned here?
[2016-12-02 18:13:07] elmorte : Nothing's banned here
[2016-12-02 18:13:17] elmorte : We spoke about them before
[2016-12-02 18:13:42] arbitrage001 : bank account is frozen?
[2016-12-02 18:13:44] elmorte : I said how coinbox was dodgy as fck but you never had a prob
[2016-12-02 18:14:13] elmorte : Yeah, so BitX was allowed only withdrawals in the last week or so by CIMB
[2016-12-02 18:14:24] elmorte : and Coinbox had their accounts suspended by Maybank
[2016-12-02 18:14:24] arbitrage001 : what do they do now?
[2016-12-02 18:14:37] elmorte : Well, BitX still has other markets...
[2016-12-02 18:14:38] arbitrage001 : create more bank account?
[2016-12-02 18:14:49] elmorte : I'm sure they tried...
[2016-12-02 18:14:57] elmorte : BitX started having issues on 9.11.
[2016-12-02 18:15:05] arbitrage001 : just register like 20 bank accounts
[2016-12-02 18:15:05] elmorte : And were saying hang on, we'll sort it out...
[2016-12-02 18:15:23] elmorte : THen boom, they just said withdraw your fiat by 1.12, that's it
[2016-12-02 18:15:37] arbitrage001 : bank negara is banning oversea ringgit trading
[2016-12-02 18:15:56] arbitrage001 : they think oversea trading is why ringgit going down the sink
[2016-12-02 18:16:01] elmorte : Yeah, that was my first though
[2016-12-02 18:16:04] elmorte : thought
[2016-12-02 18:16:13] arbitrage001 : and banning them will somehow bring rinngging up
[2016-12-02 18:17:14] arbitrage001 : as the currency drop more, they will probably tighten bank accounts in and out
[2016-12-02 18:17:36] arbitrage001 : anything fishy and they will investigate for money laundry
[2016-12-02 18:17:50] elmorte : Same reason Tun M banned RM500 & 1000 bills
[2016-12-02 18:17:59] elmorte : during AFC 97
[2016-12-02 18:18:23] arbitrage001 : nice we have some retard running the country
[2016-12-02 18:19:01] elmorte : Haha, careful, this chat is public....you don't want IGP tweeting you
[2016-12-02 18:21:34] Coconuter : talking about 9.11
[2016-12-02 18:21:41] Coconuter : on this reality all wtc buildings was destroyed
[2016-12-02 18:21:46] elmorte : 9th Nov in most of the world
[2016-12-02 18:21:57] Coconuter : i got amazed with that since prior reality only 1 ,2 and 7 was destroyed
[2016-12-02 18:22:04] Coconuter : crazy times
[2016-12-02 18:22:58] elmorte : I'm still amazed by the Pentagon plane
[2016-12-02 18:23:25] Coconuter : check out now in this reality the pentagon is different also
[2016-12-02 18:23:37] Coconuter : the collapsed part
[2016-12-02 18:23:50] Coconuter : many things are changing
[2016-12-02 18:24:12] Coconuter : only thing that isnt happening is the my btc wallet increasing by itself
[2016-12-02 18:24:22] Coconuter : maybe one day :)
[2016-12-02 18:27:47] elmorte : Coconuter: You already have your company set up in the States? Bank accounts n all?
[2016-12-02 18:28:04] Coconuter : yes
[2016-12-02 18:28:10] thiago : elmorte: me too lol
[2016-12-02 18:28:14] elmorte : Cool, was that a lot of work?
[2016-12-02 18:28:23] Coconuter : well a bit
[2016-12-02 18:28:24] arbitrage001 : can foreigner easily set up a bank account in US?
[2016-12-02 18:28:28] Coconuter : the llc you can open online
[2016-12-02 18:28:31] Coconuter : in 24 hours
[2016-12-02 18:28:36] elmorte : thiago: nice one...what business you doing there?
[2016-12-02 18:28:38] zanza : HOLY FK ETH
[2016-12-02 18:28:39] Coconuter : the bank account you need to go there and open
[2016-12-02 18:28:52] elmorte : Yeah, same as HK
[2016-12-02 18:28:56] arbitrage001 : lol, eth sinking
[2016-12-02 18:29:08] arbitrage001 : elmorte: easy to get a bank account in hk?
[2016-12-02 18:29:16] elmorte : No, not anymore
[2016-12-02 18:29:20] zanza : ETH is on sale according to /r/ethtrader
[2016-12-02 18:29:24] zanza : load up
[2016-12-02 18:29:32] elmorte : I can fwd you some email if you like @arbitrage001
[2016-12-02 18:29:33] Coconuter : 10 years ago i opened a acount at madrid spain
[2016-12-02 18:29:35] Coconuter : via email
[2016-12-02 18:29:47] Coconuter : after those false flags of 9.11 everything got worst
[2016-12-02 18:30:04] elmorte : 2008 crisis as well
[2016-12-02 18:30:13] Coconuter : more the anti terror thing
[2016-12-02 18:30:23] elmorte : Lotta banks did a lotta shady stuff
[2016-12-02 18:30:32] elmorte : so that brought on more scrutiny
[2016-12-02 18:30:55] Coconuter : but the main focus still is the anti terrorist war
[2016-12-02 18:30:59] Coconuter : endless fake terrorists
[2016-12-02 18:31:08] Coconuter : cant wait for trump
[2016-12-02 18:31:31] Coconuter : hope he puts everyone in jail for faking everything
[2016-12-02 18:31:32] elmorte : I can't say, I haven't encountered that....mostly AML procedures
[2016-12-02 18:31:51] Coconuter : but its hard to put people worth trillions of dollars in jail
[2016-12-02 18:31:58] Coconuter : in a material world
[2016-12-02 18:32:07] Coconuter : lolz
[2016-12-02 18:32:10] elmorte : it's easier to have them on your side
[2016-12-02 18:32:18] arbitrage001 : Coconuter: not in russia
[2016-12-02 18:32:22] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 18:32:22] arbitrage001 : soviet
[2016-12-02 18:32:31] arbitrage001 : anyone can go to jail if you are on putin list
[2016-12-02 18:32:45] Coconuter : kkkkk except putin himself
[2016-12-02 18:32:51] elmorte : Putin or Gulags, your choice
[2016-12-02 18:32:55] arbitrage001 : he is a patriot
[2016-12-02 18:32:56] Coconuter : and his friends
[2016-12-02 18:33:01] arbitrage001 : in his own view
[2016-12-02 18:33:08] martinium : black dolphin
[2016-12-02 18:33:11] martinium : :-p
[2016-12-02 18:33:21] arbitrage001 : and russian generally view him as a hero
[2016-12-02 18:33:41] martinium : Putin is no bitch though
[2016-12-02 18:33:44] martinium : unlike Obama
[2016-12-02 18:34:00] martinium : Obama is a creampuff SJW liberal
[2016-12-02 18:34:00] Coconuter : obama is a puppet
[2016-12-02 18:34:10] Coconuter : i hope trump does well with the presidency
[2016-12-02 18:34:15] martinium : All US presidents are puppets since 1913
[2016-12-02 18:34:24] elmorte : I like mah man Obama...but Putin is a judo black belt
[2016-12-02 18:34:26] Coconuter : so this is the chance
[2016-12-02 18:34:27] martinium : Trump is also a puppet
[2016-12-02 18:34:34] aethlios : http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/italian-politics/italian-constitutional-referendum
[2016-12-02 18:34:41] Coconuter : well he will be less puppet than the others
[2016-12-02 18:34:47] aethlios : NO ahed on bets.
[2016-12-02 18:34:55] martinium : hopefully
[2016-12-02 18:35:13] martinium : Italy woud do best to leave the Europ currency
[2016-12-02 18:35:20] martinium : it has crushed their economy
[2016-12-02 18:35:38] martinium : they need to be able to inflate and deflate their currency
[2016-12-02 18:36:50] zanza : wouldn't EU benefit it Italy left? :)
[2016-12-02 18:37:57] arbitrage001 : trump himself cant possibly go against the whole ruling class
[2016-12-02 18:38:15] aethlios : EU is collapsing, also in France next president will be either right (real) of nationalist, so anti-EU and national friendly politicians are advancing in europe.
[2016-12-02 18:40:28] aethlios : after 1971 and abandon of gold standard, money supply used from the elites to benefit them selves, middle class didn't receive their share from the increased productivity.
[2016-12-02 18:41:03] Coconuter : so what is the 99% of the population
[2016-12-02 18:41:11] Coconuter : unique salvation ?
[2016-12-02 18:41:22] aethlios : https://philebersole.wordpress.com/tag/productivity/
[2016-12-02 18:41:55] arbitrage001 : Coconuter: from global standard, you only need to make 3000 usd per month to be the top 1%
[2016-12-02 18:42:09] elmorte : Hasn't the damage to the small guys in Europe already been done though? Whatever was worth selling was sold already
[2016-12-02 18:42:15] Coconuter : damn im a illuminati then
[2016-12-02 18:42:18] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 18:43:00] elmorte : Telecoms sold, banks sold, resources sold...
[2016-12-02 18:43:00] arbitrage001 : elmorte: fundamental problem is population keep increasing
[2016-12-02 18:43:14] elmorte : Well yeah, world wide
[2016-12-02 18:43:17] arbitrage001 : and labor in non-developed country willing to work on penny
[2016-12-02 18:43:22] elmorte : Scarcity n all...
[2016-12-02 18:43:28] arbitrage001 : for penny
[2016-12-02 18:43:40] Coconuter : not penny
[2016-12-02 18:43:46] arbitrage001 : dime?
[2016-12-02 18:43:48] Coconuter : its like in USA 10U$ is nothing
[2016-12-02 18:43:52] Coconuter : per hour
[2016-12-02 18:44:01] Coconuter : in other countries devaluated currency is a lot
[2016-12-02 18:44:05] arbitrage001 : but the rest of the world?
[2016-12-02 18:44:07] elmorte : But EU open market was touted as even field for everybody where it was just an invitation for the big boys to buy out the small fry
[2016-12-02 18:44:16] arbitrage001 : 10 dollars per hour is a lot where i am
[2016-12-02 18:44:27] Coconuter : arbitrage001: here also
[2016-12-02 18:44:33] Coconuter : but in USA its a dish washer
[2016-12-02 18:44:39] Coconuter : sallary
[2016-12-02 18:44:55] arbitrage001 : dish washer in US can own a car, home and iphone
[2016-12-02 18:45:02] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-02 18:45:04] arbitrage001 : not in asia
[2016-12-02 18:45:25] elmorte : Yeah, I made more money as a bartender in Sydney then a new grad lawyer does in Malaysia
[2016-12-02 18:45:30] elmorte : per hr
[2016-12-02 18:45:44] orly : aethlios: great article, +1
[2016-12-02 18:45:46] Coconuter : yep this is why follow my advice
[2016-12-02 18:45:47] arbitrage001 : elmorte: dont think many lawyers in kl do well
[2016-12-02 18:45:55] Coconuter : build a project for online business
[2016-12-02 18:46:00] arbitrage001 : usually, winners take all
[2016-12-02 18:46:02] Coconuter : and charge in the most predominant currency
[2016-12-02 18:46:35] Coconuter : so it wont matter which country your physically in
[2016-12-02 18:46:48] elmorte : orly: which one? The top?
[2016-12-02 18:47:48] orly : elmorte: read the first two, both were reasonable :)
[2016-12-02 18:48:49] elmorte : orly: which link? The first one is just one paragraph...
[2016-12-02 18:50:53] orly : elmorte: but a very important one
[2016-12-02 18:52:38] elmorte : oh, they're 2015 articles.....
[2016-12-02 18:57:51] arbitrage001 : techonology always increase productivity
[2016-12-02 18:57:59] arbitrage001 : evolution isn't kind
[2016-12-02 18:58:16] arbitrage001 : evolved or get left behind
[2016-12-02 19:00:13] orly : the problem is, we don't even know where we're going anymore
[2016-12-02 19:00:30] orly : and given where we're headed right now, i'd rather be left behind :)
[2016-12-02 19:01:03] arbitrage001 : orly: yeah, life itself is a gamble
[2016-12-02 19:01:08] arbitrage001 : god hate us
[2016-12-02 19:03:06] elmorte : http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.my/2016/11/the-free-trade-fallacy.html That's like completely opposite of what we were thought in school
[2016-12-02 19:05:07] elmorte : or theoretical macroeconomics rather...
[2016-12-02 19:06:55] arbitrage001 : elmorte: article too long
[2016-12-02 19:07:05] elmorte : Haha
[2016-12-02 19:07:12] rapidtrades : nw lows in usd/cnhe
[2016-12-02 19:07:18] arbitrage001 : but karl marx has it right
[2016-12-02 19:07:28] arbitrage001 : capitalism eventually run into contridiction
[2016-12-02 19:07:35] arbitrage001 : blow itself up
[2016-12-02 19:08:22] elmorte : rapidtrades: it's not making any sense
[2016-12-02 19:10:50] mjones : Why did etc go up?
[2016-12-02 19:12:27] arbitrage001 : mjones: run out of bear and seller?
[2016-12-02 19:12:30] Rado : out of ETH scalp
[2016-12-02 19:12:32] Rado : sticl in ETC
[2016-12-02 19:12:34] Rado : still
[2016-12-02 19:12:43] rapidtrades : Rado plz
[2016-12-02 19:12:54] Rado : 47 min to more dough from funding
[2016-12-02 19:12:57] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-02 19:13:03] Rado : rapidtrades: sup man
[2016-12-02 19:13:41] Rado : next rate not very apealing
[2016-12-02 19:13:56] Rado : I might need to close my shorts
[2016-12-02 19:14:02] Rado : appealing?
[2016-12-02 19:14:06] Rado : damn spelling
[2016-12-02 19:14:06] elmorte : what's your entry?
[2016-12-02 19:14:21] Rado : 770
[2016-12-02 19:14:26] elmorte : haha, nice
[2016-12-02 19:14:30] habibi : Rado: on etc?
[2016-12-02 19:14:45] Rado : on etc is 0.000965
[2016-12-02 19:15:03] habibi : ah short
[2016-12-02 19:15:27] Rado : long ETC, short XBTUSD, long XBTZ16
[2016-12-02 19:15:55] rapidtrades : poor ZEC, caught up in this mess by no fault of its own
[2016-12-02 19:15:56] Rado : but I sold half of my XBTZ16 yesterday
[2016-12-02 19:16:10] Rado : rapidtrades: ZEC is so not interesting
[2016-12-02 19:16:18] Rado : they need to do something with this project
[2016-12-02 19:16:27] Rado : you can't just mine and profit
[2016-12-02 19:16:40] rapidtrades : Zuko has GREAT things plannned
[2016-12-02 19:16:49] rapidtrades : They will do the BEST things
[2016-12-02 19:16:54] elmorte : Yuuge
[2016-12-02 19:16:55] wurstgelee : zuko?
[2016-12-02 19:16:57] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-12-02 19:19:06] rapidtrades : Yuan at 6.86
[2016-12-02 19:19:12] rapidtrades : get ready for pain longers
[2016-12-02 19:21:20] rullwull : zuko to the floor
[2016-12-02 19:45:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 5000 @ 786.06
[2016-12-02 19:45:32] Coconuter : lets see if the support of previous rally holds
[2016-12-02 19:46:48] JamesPolo : Coconuter: Asians are asleep
[2016-12-02 19:47:17] Coconuter : yep tho 765 is the support line from last few days
[2016-12-02 19:47:27] Coconuter : i hope it holds
[2016-12-02 19:52:13] zanza : ETH dancing critical .01 line
[2016-12-02 19:52:30] thiago : hope it holds too.. since my liq price is 763.59 lol
[2016-12-02 19:53:49] Coconuter : kkkkkkk pq tu nao botou stop cara
[2016-12-02 19:54:11] Coconuter : foda eh ruim quando volta um trade mas eh melhor stoppar q liquidar
[2016-12-02 19:56:14] Coconuter : com stop planejado vc perde quando errar mas tem outra chance de recuperar
[2016-12-02 19:56:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6500 @ 767.22
[2016-12-02 20:00:22] Coconuter : olha a ajuda aparecendo ai
[2016-12-02 20:00:27] Coconuter : kkkkk
[2016-12-02 20:01:47] thiago : ajuda? tá olhando que gráfico? rs
[2016-12-02 20:02:21] thiago : tem que ser paciente.. acho que não vai quebrar essa resistencia em 5430 cny
[2016-12-02 20:02:35] Coconuter : to olhando as ordens
[2016-12-02 20:02:49] Coconuter : compraram bastante agora no suporte
[2016-12-02 20:03:08] Coconuter : eu nao comprei nada acima de 770 ainda
[2016-12-02 20:03:13] Coconuter : sempre q cai eu vou adicionando
[2016-12-02 20:03:28] thiago : tá certinho
[2016-12-02 20:03:29] Coconuter : vc entrou com um mega contrato de uma vez neh ai se cai 3 dolares ja liquida
[2016-12-02 20:03:36] thiago : exato
[2016-12-02 20:03:38] Coconuter : tem q ir adicionando
[2016-12-02 20:03:41] Coconuter : te falei ja
[2016-12-02 20:03:45] Coconuter : vai de 100 e 100
[2016-12-02 20:03:51] Coconuter : montando posicoes
[2016-12-02 20:03:52] rapidtrades : NUKE SPAIN
[2016-12-02 20:04:10] Coconuter : rapidtrades: which nuke ?
[2016-12-02 20:04:40] thiago : é que, tinha coisas pra fazer hj de manhã e de tarde e de noite.. aí ontem eu fechei com um lucro bom, querendo tirar tudo isso da cabeça.. aí acordar com o btc na lua...
[2016-12-02 20:05:04] rapidtrades : Coconuter: ICBM
[2016-12-02 20:05:36] Coconuter : sao swings neh nao da pra ir direto pra cima
[2016-12-02 20:05:52] Coconuter : viu como o suport segurou o povo vai so adicionando a cada queda e deixa rolar por meses as ordens
[2016-12-02 20:06:04] thiago : to vendo
[2016-12-02 20:06:14] thiago : na real, essa é minha primeira semana na bitmex rs
[2016-12-02 20:06:20] Coconuter : rsrs normal
[2016-12-02 20:06:25] Coconuter : depois que vc perder uma casa
[2016-12-02 20:06:27] Coconuter : vc aprende
[2016-12-02 20:06:29] Coconuter : KKKKKKKKKKK
[2016-12-02 20:06:35] Coconuter : rapidtrades: link ?
[2016-12-02 20:06:39] mjones : eth we be doomin
[2016-12-02 20:06:50] thiago : tá e tu fechou aquele contrato de dias?
[2016-12-02 20:06:54] mjones : si
[2016-12-02 20:07:15] Coconuter : thiago: nao ta aberto fi
[2016-12-02 20:07:18] mjones : need to integrate bing translate or some shit in here
[2016-12-02 20:07:22] Coconuter : vou so adicionando a cada queda
[2016-12-02 20:07:30] Coconuter : quase 90mil contratos