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[2016-11-29 17:46:32] arbitrage001 : not wise
[2016-11-29 17:46:33] lopol : now waiting this bubble to burst
[2016-11-29 17:46:47] wurstgelee : mada a multiple with less risk ;)
[2016-11-29 17:46:56] wurstgelee : by longing ofc
[2016-11-29 17:46:57] arbitrage001 : privacy going to be a huge issues in the coming years
[2016-11-29 17:47:03] rapidtrades : support is at 0.01 not 0.015
[2016-11-29 17:47:23] lopol : arbitrage001: i know but it doesnt affect yet
[2016-11-29 17:47:23] rapidtrades : *not 0.0105
[2016-11-29 17:47:29] Coconuter : everyone went long so theyre shaking it
[2016-11-29 17:47:39] sleger : just like a coconut tree
[2016-11-29 17:47:40] Coconuter : and getting better entry
[2016-11-29 17:47:43] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: zcash might become big if they dont fuck it up. really big
[2016-11-29 17:47:44] sleger : and coconuts fall
[2016-11-29 17:47:52] Coconuter : lol im still good
[2016-11-29 17:47:52] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: yes, agree
[2016-11-29 17:47:57] Coconuter : just waisting time
[2016-11-29 17:48:05] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: hopefully, not eth type forks
[2016-11-29 17:48:08] rapidtrades : Zec will be YUUUGE!
[2016-11-29 17:48:20] Coconuter : let me do another vodka round
[2016-11-29 17:48:23] Coconuter : UHUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuu
[2016-11-29 17:48:26] rapidtrades : 3rd best thing after Brexit and Trump
[2016-11-29 17:48:29] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: yeah, hopefully. i doubt it tho. can't be that bad twice ;)
[2016-11-29 17:48:31] Coconuter : where are the moderators ?
[2016-11-29 17:48:38] Coconuter : ill serve them a round for free
[2016-11-29 17:48:42] wurstgelee : also i have hopes for lisk. potential to be the better eth ;)
[2016-11-29 17:48:43] rapidtrades : Coconuter: they're having sex with your mother
[2016-11-29 17:48:48] Coconuter : give my the Inside tips moderators
[2016-11-29 17:48:53] lopol : Cant understand why they created ZEC with so huge inflation for many years
[2016-11-29 17:48:59] Coconuter : rapidtrades: my mother is on the old reality
[2016-11-29 17:49:02] Coconuter : at sagitarious arms
[2016-11-29 17:49:10] wurstgelee : lopol: because it's a best practise ;)
[2016-11-29 17:49:13] BitMEX_Greg : Coconuter:
[2016-11-29 17:49:18] lopol : wurstgelee: why?
[2016-11-29 17:49:20] BitMEX_Greg : Heya*
[2016-11-29 17:49:24] wurstgelee : lopol: bitcoin.
[2016-11-29 17:49:26] Coconuter : BitMEX_Greg: cheers greg
[2016-11-29 17:49:28] wurstgelee : same reward scheme
[2016-11-29 17:49:33] wurstgelee : except for the slow start
[2016-11-29 17:49:38] wurstgelee : otherwise identical
[2016-11-29 17:49:39] lopol : wurstgelee: thats not good argument
[2016-11-29 17:50:02] arbitrage001 : lopol: they dont want earlier miners hording all the coins
[2016-11-29 17:50:04] arbitrage001 : like btc
[2016-11-29 17:50:05] Coconuter : people are talking at a 177x valuation of btc cycles
[2016-11-29 17:50:07] wurstgelee : no, thats no argument at all. because arguments are pointless. the reward scheme is a fact now ;)
[2016-11-29 17:50:13] BitMEX_Greg : Coconuter: Lmk if you have any questions :)
[2016-11-29 17:50:19] Coconuter : so 15.000U$ early next year
[2016-11-29 17:50:39] arbitrage001 : the scheme is anti-pump and dump, to make sure proper development is done
[2016-11-29 17:50:41] lopol : ICO for zec would have been much more convenient
[2016-11-29 17:50:46] wurstgelee : Coconuter6:50 PM people are talking at a 177x valuation of btc cycles ?
[2016-11-29 17:51:02] Coconuter : wurstgelee: yep search for btc cycles of valuations
[2016-11-29 17:51:06] wurstgelee : lopol: nope. not at all. i like the fact whales st+
[2016-11-29 17:51:11] wurstgelee : or wannabe-whales
[2016-11-29 17:51:14] wurstgelee : startde at 0
[2016-11-29 17:51:16] Coconuter : if it keeps on next will be 15k U$
[2016-11-29 17:51:17] wurstgelee : like everyone else
[2016-11-29 17:51:19] Coconuter : early 2017
[2016-11-29 17:51:39] wurstgelee : oooohh, now a i get it
[2016-11-29 17:51:46] wurstgelee : youre calling 15k $ for btc in january?
[2016-11-29 17:51:55] Coconuter : after carnival
[2016-11-29 17:51:55] wurstgelee : or early 2017?
[2016-11-29 17:52:00] wurstgelee : lol no
[2016-11-29 17:52:00] Coconuter : march or so
[2016-11-29 17:52:02] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-29 17:52:16] Coconuter : well in one month it went from 100U$ to 1200U$
[2016-11-29 17:52:21] Coconuter : its possible
[2016-11-29 17:52:46] wurstgelee : you are talking about a 20x in 3 months here....
[2016-11-29 17:52:56] Coconuter : world is crazy
[2016-11-29 17:52:57] wurstgelee : maybe 3
[2016-11-29 17:52:59] wurstgelee : maybe 4
[2016-11-29 17:53:02] Coconuter : this new reality is crazy
[2016-11-29 17:53:07] whore : how long does it take to withdraw money from here
[2016-11-29 17:53:08] wurstgelee : no
[2016-11-29 17:53:11] whore : ?
[2016-11-29 17:53:13] wurstgelee : not that much :)
[2016-11-29 17:53:25] wurstgelee : whore: withdrawals are processed manually once a day
[2016-11-29 17:53:28] Coconuter : wurstgelee: friend it went from 10cents to 1200U$
[2016-11-29 17:53:29] wurstgelee : 13 utc iirc
[2016-11-29 17:53:41] Coconuter : so 800U$ to 15k is possible
[2016-11-29 17:53:52] wurstgelee : Coconuter: different conditions, completely different conditions
[2016-11-29 17:54:03] wurstgelee : check the volume back then
[2016-11-29 17:54:06] wurstgelee : and compare to today
[2016-11-29 17:54:06] Coconuter : yep now the world is even more screwed
[2016-11-29 17:55:08] wurstgelee : also there was no shorting btc back then, no leveraged trading...
[2016-11-29 17:55:23] wurstgelee : thats i no way comparable to today
[2016-11-29 17:57:06] Coconuter : friend just hold in your seat
[2016-11-29 17:57:18] Coconuter : and buy as much crypto you can
[2016-11-29 17:57:30] Coconuter : early next year will be just like this one and even bigger moves
[2016-11-29 17:57:55] Coconuter : but this time i think btc will move first
[2016-11-29 17:57:58] Coconuter : and alts willl follow
[2016-11-29 17:58:08] sleger : let me guess, you are below 25 y old ?
[2016-11-29 17:58:26] Coconuter : im 32
[2016-11-29 17:58:34] Coconuter : do you need a bear hugh ?
[2016-11-29 17:58:42] sleger : hugh ?
[2016-11-29 17:58:53] Coconuter : hug
[2016-11-29 17:59:27] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: old chat was better, too much space wasted with that new formatting
[2016-11-29 17:59:45] wurstgelee : its better for mutiple consecutive lines tho
[2016-11-29 17:59:48] wurstgelee : *l
[2016-11-29 18:00:06] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: I'll bring it up with Sam
[2016-11-29 18:00:45] wurstgelee : it's better than the old chat. not perfect yet tho, just can't, point my finger at it
[2016-11-29 18:00:47] wurstgelee : (yet)
[2016-11-29 18:05:12] Coconuter : on man i just want to make 50BTC and put on cold wallet and go into vacations
[2016-11-29 18:05:21] Coconuter : please help push the agenda guys
[2016-11-29 18:05:33] mjones : ez
[2016-11-29 18:05:47] Coconuter : not selling my sould tho
[2016-11-29 18:05:53] Coconuter : soul
[2016-11-29 18:05:58] jesperf : everyone makes 50 BTC per hour here
[2016-11-29 18:05:59] arbitrage001 : Coconuter: which part of the world you come from
[2016-11-29 18:06:11] Coconuter : brazil
[2016-11-29 18:06:18] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-11-29 18:06:29] Coconuter : lol jesperf good im in the right trollbox
[2016-11-29 18:06:29] arbitrage001 : how are things over there
[2016-11-29 18:06:37] Coconuter : arbitrage001: well all fucked up
[2016-11-29 18:06:48] Coconuter : politicians stole everything they got a hand of
[2016-11-29 18:06:53] Coconuter : and broke the country
[2016-11-29 18:06:55] Coconuter : lol
[2016-11-29 18:06:58] arbitrage001 : same as every 3rd world
[2016-11-29 18:07:01] Coconuter : im moving out in 12 days
[2016-11-29 18:07:10] arbitrage001 : to another 3rd world hole?
[2016-11-29 18:07:12] Coconuter : arbitrage001: yep
[2016-11-29 18:07:17] Coconuter : no im going to USA
[2016-11-29 18:07:30] arbitrage001 : trump going to kick immigrant out
[2016-11-29 18:07:33] Coconuter : i have 2 startups to secure funding
[2016-11-29 18:07:44] Coconuter : lol only criminal immigrants
[2016-11-29 18:08:15] sleger : coconut juice startups ?
[2016-11-29 18:08:43] Coconuter : sleger: for sure man one is unique in the world and the other have few competitors
[2016-11-29 18:09:00] sleger : cocowater
[2016-11-29 18:09:05] Coconuter : sleger: im from the future
[2016-11-29 18:09:10] Coconuter : nice nick name man
[2016-11-29 18:09:13] Coconuter : CocoWater
[2016-11-29 18:09:20] Coconuter : thanks
[2016-11-29 18:10:54] jesperf : Coconuter is not so dumb. he has lots of coconuts in brazil, so he sells their water!
[2016-11-29 18:11:04] numero : +1 for chat spacing
[2016-11-29 18:11:22] numero : if the trollbox extended to the left a bit, could fit chat line beside name
[2016-11-29 18:11:27] jesperf : I liked the old chat better
[2016-11-29 18:11:44] numero : new chat is promising
[2016-11-29 18:12:15] jesperf : I wonder if I can do this... :)
[2016-11-29 18:12:30] jesperf : All right, consecutive newlines are filtered..
[2016-11-29 18:12:35] wurstgelee : numero: yep, more chat box width please
[2016-11-29 18:12:40] wurstgelee : or better adjustable
[2016-11-29 18:15:36] zanza : ETH .009x soon ?
[2016-11-29 18:15:50] zanza : ETC is acutally holding up well
[2016-11-29 18:17:42] arbitrage001 : eth market cap still fairly high
[2016-11-29 18:17:45] numero : wurstgelee: yeah, adjustable would be good, the current name format would be good to kick in on a narrowly adjusted trollbox
[2016-11-29 18:17:47] arbitrage001 : with 0 usage
[2016-11-29 18:18:16] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: ;)
[2016-11-29 18:18:27] numero : with polo-speed trollbox usage, this would be a disaster
[2016-11-29 18:19:02] wurstgelee : any trollbox like polo's would suck
[2016-11-29 18:19:22] Coconuter : lol who wants cocowaterrrr
[2016-11-29 18:23:06] numero : I think with more adjustable-trollbox, I would have the trollbox expanded to cover the Instruments/Indices default panel space on advanced view (most of the time)
[2016-11-29 18:23:14] numero : just saying :)
[2016-11-29 18:26:41] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-29 18:27:06] wurstgelee : nothing wrong with making it adjustable imo
[2016-11-29 18:31:08] wurstgelee : whales playing with buy support @ polo/ETH
[2016-11-29 18:32:24] Coconuter : bill gates bots aint letting eth fail
[2016-11-29 18:33:30] wurstgelee : that's the weirdest line i read all day here today
[2016-11-29 18:33:35] wurstgelee : that's something
[2016-11-29 18:34:26] Coconuter : =)
[2016-11-29 18:49:22] rapidtrades : yuan bounced off the lows
[2016-11-29 18:50:24] rapidtrades : Dollar back to losing ground
[2016-11-29 18:50:36] rapidtrades : looks like the Great Weakening is over?
[2016-11-29 18:53:09] arbitrage001 : which pair are you talking
[2016-11-29 18:53:31] arbitrage001 : ringgit made new low today against usd
[2016-11-29 18:54:09] arbitrage001 : it will make historic low if usd keep going up
[2016-11-29 18:57:26] numero : was anyone around in the 80s when DXY went to 160?
[2016-11-29 18:57:37] numero : think that could happen again?
[2016-11-29 18:58:14] arbitrage001 : dxy is dollar index?
[2016-11-29 18:58:28] numero : yessir
[2016-11-29 18:58:38] arbitrage001 : i think anything can happen
[2016-11-29 18:58:59] arbitrage001 : when US raise interest rate, interesting thing will happen
[2016-11-29 18:59:53] rullwull : defiantly dollar will collapse when its the time to pay the major debts
[2016-11-29 19:00:07] arbitrage001 : trump will most likely to set policy to encourage money to come back
[2016-11-29 19:01:34] rapidtrades : bitcoin u retard
[2016-11-29 19:01:43] numero : arbitrage001: I saw a neat ZH article that saw all that money going to more stock buybacks :o
[2016-11-29 19:02:07] arbitrage001 : numero: stock buyback only make sense when rate is low
[2016-11-29 19:02:27] arbitrage001 : when interest is high, the reverse will happen
[2016-11-29 19:02:46] numero : arbitrage001: but trump's a real estate guy . . . he must like low interest rates
[2016-11-29 19:03:02] arbitrage001 : he is now president
[2016-11-29 19:03:08] arbitrage001 : have to consider his legacy
[2016-11-29 19:04:15] numero : arbitrage001: I sure hope he understands what's going on better than I do :s
[2016-11-29 19:04:16] rapidtrades : stock buybacks are just another way to pay investors....similarly to dividends
[2016-11-29 19:04:37] arbitrage001 : numero: there is no long term solution for US
[2016-11-29 19:04:46] rapidtrades : i think the tax environment in the US favors buybacks vs dividends
[2016-11-29 19:04:49] arbitrage001 : just a manage collapse
[2016-11-29 19:05:34] numero : rapidtrades: think trump would change that (if he can)?
[2016-11-29 19:05:51] j8 : rapidtrades: is it just that dividends force you to take a capital gain?
[2016-11-29 19:06:20] rapidtrades : i think so yeah....cos u don't pay cap gains tax until u sell? @j8
[2016-11-29 19:06:27] j8 : yep
[2016-11-29 19:09:16] rapidtrades : numero: prolly not, he already proposed slashing corporate taxes
[2016-11-29 19:09:21] rapidtrades : he'll focus on that one
[2016-11-29 19:10:00] rapidtrades : I don't see any structural problems with the US....its a growing, well diversified econmony
[2016-11-29 19:11:08] rapidtrades : Unlike Europe and Japan, they're still making babies
[2016-11-29 19:11:50] j8 : so he wants to lower the corporate tax rate from 35% to 15%.. but i heard on average corporations are already paying more like 22%.. so its hard to say how drastic that is
[2016-11-29 19:12:10] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: how do you make manufacturing base to come back to US?
[2016-11-29 19:12:53] rapidtrades : j8: allegedly he will close the loopholes
[2016-11-29 19:13:04] rapidtrades : politically that may be hard to do of course :)
[2016-11-29 19:13:27] wurstgelee : economically ......
[2016-11-29 19:13:34] wurstgelee : just wouldnt work
[2016-11-29 19:13:36] j8 : yeah, there are always loopholes
[2016-11-29 19:13:44] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: they US is the leading manufacturer in the world
[2016-11-29 19:13:51] arbitrage001 : US labors too expensive
[2016-11-29 19:14:00] arbitrage001 : cant compete with the world
[2016-11-29 19:14:02] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: per citizen?
[2016-11-29 19:14:06] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-29 19:14:14] wurstgelee : its rather weak tbh....
[2016-11-29 19:14:33] arbitrage001 : dont forget, US gains supremacy after WW2 because of its export
[2016-11-29 19:14:52] arbitrage001 : car, appliances, electronics
[2016-11-29 19:15:07] arbitrage001 : and germany and japan were both totally ruined
[2016-11-29 19:15:13] numero : the second civil war will sure shake things up :|
[2016-11-29 19:15:13] rapidtrades : no not per citizen :)
[2016-11-29 19:15:14] wurstgelee : yet the US hardly exports more than germany
[2016-11-29 19:15:16] wurstgelee : total
[2016-11-29 19:15:17] arbitrage001 : china and india were shithole
[2016-11-29 19:16:20] wurstgelee : the only reason the US economy is still somewhat afloat it the services sector
[2016-11-29 19:16:43] wurstgelee : *is
[2016-11-29 19:17:00] arbitrage001 : which can not balance import
[2016-11-29 19:17:03] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-29 19:17:14] arbitrage001 : hence the deficit and debt
[2016-11-29 19:17:43] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-29 19:18:41] rapidtrades : All developed countries except maybe Germany run a trade deficit
[2016-11-29 19:19:04] wurstgelee : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_exports
[2016-11-29 19:19:33] rapidtrades : cos their services sector is the majority of the economy
[2016-11-29 19:19:36] wurstgelee : USA have 4x the deficit of Uk which are ranked second
[2016-11-29 19:19:41] wurstgelee : roughly
[2016-11-29 19:19:51] wurstgelee : sooo, how is that anywhere near great?
[2016-11-29 19:20:10] arbitrage001 : UK is going down the sink also
[2016-11-29 19:20:15] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-29 19:20:30] wurstgelee : turkey is ranked third with 1/15 the deficit of the US ...
[2016-11-29 19:20:51] rapidtrades : trade deficits don't matter
[2016-11-29 19:20:56] wurstgelee : lol no?
[2016-11-29 19:20:59] wurstgelee : since when?
[2016-11-29 19:21:11] rapidtrades : why would they matter?
[2016-11-29 19:21:21] arbitrage001 : if you have a big gun, it won't matter short term
[2016-11-29 19:21:50] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: debt?
[2016-11-29 19:21:53] arbitrage001 : long term, sooner and later, no country will accept your currency
[2016-11-29 19:22:36] arbitrage001 : debt to be piled up to next generation
[2016-11-29 19:22:46] rapidtrades : no, all the countries running big deficits have a large service sector
[2016-11-29 19:23:16] wurstgelee : us economy has been growing faster than average tho, also strong us $
[2016-11-29 19:23:22] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: hence all the big deficit countries going to have a day of reckoning
[2016-11-29 19:23:29] wurstgelee : which increases deficit
[2016-11-29 19:24:20] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: why would they have a 'day of reckoning'
[2016-11-29 19:24:48] numero : huh, Ireland is number 4 for trade surplus eh?
[2016-11-29 19:24:49] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: unable to pay the debt/installment?
[2016-11-29 19:25:17] arbitrage001 : the "cost" of the debt is bear by everyone in the soeciety
[2016-11-29 19:25:25] rapidtrades : no it's not
[2016-11-29 19:25:42] rapidtrades : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance_as_a_percentage_of_GDP
[2016-11-29 19:25:53] numero : I got it . . . UK + Ireland!
[2016-11-29 19:25:57] numero : problem solved
[2016-11-29 19:26:04] numero : mostly ;)
[2016-11-29 19:26:54] rapidtrades : US deficit appears large in nominal terms but as % of GDP its -2.25%
[2016-11-29 19:28:59] arbitrage001 : how is the deficit measure?
[2016-11-29 19:29:08] arbitrage001 : does it include military spending
[2016-11-29 19:29:21] wurstgelee : nope, its exports
[2016-11-29 19:29:23] wurstgelee : vs imports
[2016-11-29 19:29:30] wurstgelee : trade
[2016-11-29 19:29:31] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-29 19:29:55] arbitrage001 : then it is not the full picture
[2016-11-29 19:31:41] rapidtrades : Greece, Italy and Japan all have + current account
[2016-11-29 19:32:03] arbitrage001 : and you trust the number from greece and italy?
[2016-11-29 19:32:13] arbitrage001 : japan have huge internal debt
[2016-11-29 19:32:34] rapidtrades : ur mixing things up
[2016-11-29 19:32:54] arbitrage001 : as in?
[2016-11-29 19:33:00] martinium : tightest btc trading range I've seen in weeks
[2016-11-29 19:34:23] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_account_balance
[2016-11-29 19:34:45] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_debt
[2016-11-29 19:37:48] wurstgelee : martinium: yep. good time to be long ;)
[2016-11-29 19:38:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 2000 @ 0.001035
[2016-11-29 19:43:39] numero : have you ever considered the impact of declining Energy Return On energy Invested (EROI or EROEI) on industrial civilization?
[2016-11-29 19:43:54] numero : to me it is number one issue really, hardly ever talked about
[2016-11-29 19:44:24] numero : tl;dr industrial civilization is pretty much gonna fizzle out soon
[2016-11-29 19:44:41] numero : and life will go on (most likely)
[2016-11-29 19:44:53] sleger : did you forget to take your meds again and read too much zerohedge ? @numero
[2016-11-29 19:45:39] numero : sleger: which meds :) this is from resilience.org and peakprosperity.com, not zerohedge
[2016-11-29 19:45:40] rapidtrades : sleger: I think you should heed his warning and stock up on food, gold and ammo
[2016-11-29 19:46:11] rapidtrades : or knifes since ur a Frenchie with no freedoms
[2016-11-29 19:46:11] numero : nah, learn a useful skill . . . is see a slow collapse
[2016-11-29 19:46:30] numero : if you look closely, you can already see the edges fraying
[2016-11-29 19:46:36] wurstgelee : numero: did that eroi calculation consider the percentage and effect of solar, wind and water power?
[2016-11-29 19:46:38] sleger : funny story : one day I had a full pallet of canned tuna delivered on a (large)trading floor, I got them at 0.30$ each and sold them to other traders at 1$ each
[2016-11-29 19:46:40] wurstgelee : over time?
[2016-11-29 19:47:09] numero : sleger: tbh. I see traders doing really, really well
[2016-11-29 19:47:21] numero : wurstgelee: yes, just a minute . . .
[2016-11-29 19:47:45] wurstgelee : noooooo, i am not really interested in more details :D
[2016-11-29 19:47:54] wurstgelee : that was a yes or no question
[2016-11-29 19:53:06] numero : http://ourrenewablefuture.org/chapter-2/
[2016-11-29 19:53:07] numero : ignorance is bliss :) this ebook's a great intro . . . Figure 2.1 sums up the issue quite clearly imo
[2016-11-29 19:53:47] wurstgelee : thats worldwide i assume
[2016-11-29 19:53:53] numero : the little green strip is "hydro and other renewables"
[2016-11-29 19:54:09] numero : wurstgelee: yes germany is a bit of a special case
[2016-11-29 19:54:17] wurstgelee : yeah i thought of a higher percentage tbh. we have ~ 30% here iirc. more than 100% if sunny and/or windy ;)
[2016-11-29 19:54:21] wurstgelee : *-h
[2016-11-29 19:54:24] RoftheN : What do you think about Fusion energy?
[2016-11-29 19:54:26] numero : still, solar and wind cannot replace liquid fossil fuels
[2016-11-29 19:54:53] numero : RoftheN: energy source of the future! . . . and it always will be ;)
[2016-11-29 19:54:58] wurstgelee : numero: why not?
[2016-11-29 19:55:22] RoftheN : But wouldn't it ruin the world economy at first
[2016-11-29 19:56:07] wurstgelee : sahara. desert. solar energy. for example. :)
[2016-11-29 19:56:44] numero : intermittency and storage issues, massive infrastructure costs
[2016-11-29 19:56:49] wurstgelee : wind energy is possible basically everywhere, more than enough. just lacking storage possibilities atm
[2016-11-29 19:56:57] dasdfasdf : nuclear is always the backbone
[2016-11-29 19:57:03] wurstgelee : right now
[2016-11-29 19:57:07] wurstgelee : due to lack of storage
[2016-11-29 19:57:08] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-29 19:57:15] RoftheN : I think infrastructure is the biggest challenge. Storage less so, as new battery technology is studied a lot lately
[2016-11-29 19:57:16] numero : it comes back to EROI . . . wind and solar on industrial scale depend on fossil-fueled infrastrtucture
[2016-11-29 19:57:50] wurstgelee : numero: only until they are self sustainable due to renewable energy capacitites they produced
[2016-11-29 19:57:57] wurstgelee : energy balance-wise
[2016-11-29 19:59:19] numero : wurstgelee: i certainly hope so :) but I'm afraid electric trucks will never run on wind ans solar energy . . . for example, and they are needed to deploy the infrastructure
[2016-11-29 19:59:32] RoftheN : I think they should just develop better nuclear reactors and not act like they're worse than coal
[2016-11-29 19:59:46] RoftheN : France is doing a good job with Nuclear
[2016-11-29 19:59:55] numero : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EKmNgvUw3k <-- she knows her stuff
[2016-11-29 19:59:59] wurstgelee : numero: already possible. let them run on hydrogen produced with solar energy
[2016-11-29 20:00:02] wurstgelee : for example
[2016-11-29 20:00:03] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-29 20:00:20] wurstgelee : no emissions
[2016-11-29 20:00:40] numero : wurstgelee: is there a working prototype? deployed at scale?
[2016-11-29 20:00:48] RoftheN : And we should probably find abetter way to use the power of volcanoes
[2016-11-29 20:01:09] wurstgelee : numero: hamburg has a few dozen of hydrogen bus cars in public transport for example
[2016-11-29 20:01:16] wurstgelee : for years
[2016-11-29 20:01:24] numero : well that's a good start
[2016-11-29 20:01:26] wurstgelee : so yes, i'd consider that a working implementation
[2016-11-29 20:01:49] numero : let's see, we have about . . . 8 years? tick-tock
[2016-11-29 20:02:02] RoftheN : 8 years till what?
[2016-11-29 20:02:17] numero : until the EROI of the major oil sources declines to roughly 3:1
[2016-11-29 20:02:37] wurstgelee : so....?
[2016-11-29 20:02:48] wurstgelee : what happens then? a celebration?
[2016-11-29 20:03:02] numero : at which point it is estimated by better minds than mine the minimal functions of industrial civilization can no longer be maintained
[2016-11-29 20:03:13] numero : wurstgelee: a reorganization of sorts
[2016-11-29 20:03:27] numero : it is better to look at it as a celebration . . .
[2016-11-29 20:03:50] numero : https://www.demain-lefilm.com/en/film
[2016-11-29 20:06:56] rapidtrades : numero: a socialist reorganization?
[2016-11-29 20:07:34] numero : rapidtrades: i certainly hope not, I hear those stories don't end well
[2016-11-29 20:08:33] numero : large centralized states will struggle to survive, it will be more local . . . the responses
[2016-11-29 20:08:56] RoftheN : So what happens to Bitcoin in 8 years?
[2016-11-29 20:09:58] numero : moon
[2016-11-29 20:12:28] RoftheN : :)
[2016-11-29 20:13:37] rapidtrades : or 0 :)
[2016-11-29 20:18:39] wurstgelee : eth back to .011
[2016-11-29 20:19:30] numero : 732 USD --> moon --> 0
[2016-11-29 20:19:49] numero : we'll all be out of it by then :)
[2016-11-29 20:20:59] wurstgelee : i am long, we may take off now
[2016-11-29 20:21:51] mjones : oshi. we longing zec now. wait for me
[2016-11-29 20:22:02] wurstgelee : btc
[2016-11-29 20:22:07] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-29 20:23:47] rapidtrades : i think bitcoin died
[2016-11-29 20:24:05] Coconuter : bill gates bots
[2016-11-29 20:24:07] Coconuter : yuppiiiii
[2016-11-29 20:24:32] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: it's playing dead
[2016-11-29 20:25:18] rapidtrades : *kicks bitcoin
[2016-11-29 20:42:37] rapidtrades : ETC > ETH
[2016-11-29 20:44:57] Tetsuo : buy side @Stamp seems ready
[2016-11-29 20:48:19] Coconuter : oh yes bill my honney
[2016-11-29 20:48:23] Coconuter : lol
[2016-11-29 20:48:30] Coconuter : where is stenglarrr
[2016-11-29 20:48:49] Coconuter : bitching about monthly support lines
[2016-11-29 20:49:13] Coconuter : saying it aint so
[2016-11-29 20:49:14] Coconuter : lol
[2016-11-29 20:55:42] lugo : soo, trollbox isn't mirrored to irc right now?
[2016-11-29 20:56:07] wurstgelee : it is
[2016-11-29 20:56:11] wurstgelee : no?
[2016-11-29 20:56:21] inconspic : is bitmex turning to chinese traders to increase liquidity?
[2016-11-29 20:56:41] wurstgelee : ?
[2016-11-29 20:56:42] lugo : only in one direction :)
[2016-11-29 20:57:46] hey1234 : testing bitmex IRC
[2016-11-29 20:58:13] mjones : ohi
[2016-11-29 20:58:40] hey1234 : support warren g
[2016-11-29 20:58:52] hey1234 : wat wat wat
[2016-11-29 20:58:57] hey1234 : quit
[2016-11-29 20:59:23] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm, it appears we have an IRC bouncer bug
[2016-11-29 20:59:25] BitMEX_Sam : Will take a look.
[2016-11-29 20:59:28] mjones : why do irc messages appear in here anyways
[2016-11-29 20:59:41] BitMEX_Sam : mjones: To allow people to participate in chat when they're not on the site
[2016-11-29 20:59:59] mjones : ah. then yeah, make sure people in IRC can see what we say in here
[2016-11-29 21:01:40] inconspic : how do you make sure people are not spoofing their idents
[2016-11-29 21:03:37] inconspic : oh I see, it's onedirectional
[2016-11-29 21:03:39] inconspic : nvm
[2016-11-29 21:10:30] BitMEX_Sam : It's not that it's unidirectional, it's that we apply the same username restrictions to IRC users
[2016-11-29 21:10:43] STRML : IRC bouncer is fixed, by the way.
[2016-11-29 21:13:02] chokeonmychode : i'm choking
[2016-11-29 21:15:28] wurstgelee : STRML: thanks alt-sam
[2016-11-29 21:27:30] jesperf : STRML is the *real* Sam
[2016-11-29 21:28:13] jesperf : look at all that junk inside his trunk: https://github.com/strml
[2016-11-29 21:28:30] jesperf : he's a pretty cool dude
[2016-11-29 21:29:46] Tetsuo : apparently he like´s "Schnitzel"
[2016-11-29 21:32:22] jesperf : he like is? or he likes? also, who doesn't like a schnitzel?
[2016-11-29 21:33:39] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: you wrote healthcare.gov? it can't be true
[2016-11-29 21:34:03] BitMEX_Sam : j8: No, worked on a community rehabilitation project
[2016-11-29 21:35:44] j8 : i see
[2016-11-29 21:36:09] wurstgelee : so you're an admin with a rehab-related background
[2016-11-29 21:36:12] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-29 21:37:03] wurstgelee : stamp is ready
[2016-11-29 21:40:20] BitMEX_Sam : Essentially when healthcare.gov went up, the site was so poorly designed/optimized/cached that I got a full dump of the frontend source and a lot of introspection into its performance
[2016-11-29 21:40:36] BitMEX_Sam : Just a few hours of dev work would have saved them terabytes of bandwidth on day 1
[2016-11-29 21:40:50] j8 : wow
[2016-11-29 21:42:13] j8 : seems like governments are just bad at websites. behind the times anyway
[2016-11-29 21:45:00] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: any chance we could get adjustable chat width? ;)
[2016-11-29 21:45:18] wurstgelee : window width that is.
[2016-11-29 21:45:31] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: I was looking into that, because of the way it's laid out that's actually rather difficult to do - but I have some options
[2016-11-29 21:45:42] BitMEX_Sam : In the next release I've made a few changes to fit more lines of text on the screen.
[2016-11-29 21:46:58] wurstgelee : :thumbsup:
[2016-11-29 22:00:49] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: If you have a second, try out https://testnet.bitmex.com?
[2016-11-29 22:01:27] wurstgelee : does my regular account work there?
[2016-11-29 22:01:31] wurstgelee : as in same account?
[2016-11-29 22:01:39] wurstgelee : never used it :)
[2016-11-29 22:01:50] Prince : This irc is nifty
[2016-11-29 22:02:23] BitMEX_Sam : Ah - no, it doesn't @wurstgelee
[2016-11-29 22:02:28] BitMEX_Sam : They're completely separate environments.
[2016-11-29 22:02:43] wurstgelee : sec
[2016-11-29 22:04:10] Prince : Stamp is looking hot. See if it does anything or just wants to play head games
[2016-11-29 22:06:44] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: down for maintenance :P
[2016-11-29 22:06:49] wurstgelee : just as i logged in
[2016-11-29 22:07:05] BitMEX_Sam : :) Just a sec
[2016-11-29 22:07:24] Coconuter : hey how does this marging works man
[2016-11-29 22:08:05] Coconuter : this liquidation is full account liquidation !?! or just for the contract separated ?
[2016-11-29 22:08:28] BitMEX_Sam : Coconuter: Depends on whether or not you chose `Cross` leverage
[2016-11-29 22:08:30] flux : depends if you set it to cross
[2016-11-29 22:08:42] Coconuter : because the ROE% is +2-3% and pnl is 0.0000
[2016-11-29 22:08:45] Coconuter : whole day
[2016-11-29 22:08:58] wurstgelee : small position?
[2016-11-29 22:09:07] Coconuter : yeah size 4
[2016-11-29 22:09:11] Coconuter : just testing around
[2016-11-29 22:09:13] wurstgelee : xbtusd?
[2016-11-29 22:09:17] Coconuter : yes
[2016-11-29 22:09:27] Coconuter : been alll day 0.0000 XBT
[2016-11-29 22:09:34] Coconuter : even tho the price went 2-3 dollars up
[2016-11-29 22:09:45] Coconuter : and ROE was up to 2-3% and still 0 pnl
[2016-11-29 22:09:48] wurstgelee : well...how much is 2% of $4 worth of btc?
[2016-11-29 22:10:05] wurstgelee : in btc? ;)
[2016-11-29 22:10:09] Coconuter : hmmm the quanity i put 4
[2016-11-29 22:10:18] Coconuter : is that only 4U$ ? i tought was 4 btc
[2016-11-29 22:10:20] Coconuter : contracts
[2016-11-29 22:10:23] Coconuter : lol
[2016-11-29 22:10:25] BitMEX_Sam : If you're talking XBTUSD, that's $4
[2016-11-29 22:10:31] Coconuter : damn
[2016-11-29 22:10:34] sleger : good luck with your 2 startups
[2016-11-29 22:10:38] BitMEX_Sam : See the `Order Value` readout below the buy/sell buttons
[2016-11-29 22:10:39] Coconuter : lol so i should add up
[2016-11-29 22:10:44] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-29 22:10:57] Coconuter : sleger: your back my honney see Bill gates bots propping eth at its monthly support line
[2016-11-29 22:11:06] wurstgelee : Coconuter: what does it say as "btc value" of your position?
[2016-11-29 22:11:23] sleger : Coconuter: im sorry but im in a serious relationship with Adriana
[2016-11-29 22:11:28] Coconuter : @sleger and my startups are creative not mathematical
[2016-11-29 22:11:58] Coconuter : wurstgelee: 0.0055xbt
[2016-11-29 22:12:10] Coconuter : i see now i have to buy like 10000 to make things move
[2016-11-29 22:12:19] Coconuter : hope the house doesnt move against when i enter it
[2016-11-29 22:12:21] Coconuter : lol
[2016-11-29 22:13:21] Coconuter : instead of entering all at once i should just open 1 small position every hour
[2016-11-29 22:13:26] Coconuter : for the next 30 days
[2016-11-29 22:17:10] XBT_Saver : is there a holiday in china that I don't know about or what!?
[2016-11-29 22:17:58] XBT_Saver : or where did the volatility go?
[2016-11-29 22:18:23] wurstgelee : early morning in china
[2016-11-29 22:19:18] XBT_Saver : yeah but that's the same everyday @wurstgelee
[2016-11-29 22:20:19] jeeburns : close a dollar lower on a short and fees eat any profit excellent
[2016-11-29 22:20:42] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: my account has the email address set as name in testnet
[2016-11-29 22:20:57] wurstgelee : how can i change that?
[2016-11-29 22:21:03] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Open chat
[2016-11-29 22:21:35] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: lol. i aleady had. i never learned to read
[2016-11-29 22:21:37] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-29 22:22:19] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: great
[2016-11-29 22:22:20] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-29 23:04:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 70 @ 0.011180
[2016-11-29 23:09:04] Coconuter : gogo bill gates bots
[2016-11-29 23:34:36] zanza : ETH on life support
[2016-11-29 23:45:33] whore : do you guys find it hard to get out of a trade on this shithole
[2016-11-29 23:47:05] whore : ?
[2016-11-29 23:48:07] whore : the fact that there are not enough people to respond answers my question i think
[2016-11-29 23:50:34] mjones : if you are expecting someone to buy your wall then yes. you will find it hard
[2016-11-29 23:51:34] habibi : https://www.rt.com/news/368601-erdogan-syria-oust-assad/ war is coming
[2016-11-29 23:52:31] whore : what is considered a wall ehre
[2016-11-29 23:52:35] whore : here*
[2016-11-29 23:52:51] whore : i'm talking like 5000 etc
[2016-11-29 23:53:51] sleger : stop trading shitcoins it will be better
[2016-11-29 23:54:05] whore : nah i live off trading shitcoins
[2016-11-29 23:54:08] whore : make cheese
[2016-11-29 23:54:09] mjones : market maker will eat it if the price moves and your wall is in the way
[2016-11-29 23:54:12] sleger : and if you want to get out just hit the market maker there is plenty of liquidity
[2016-11-29 23:54:32] whore : i've just never traded on mex. i always use trex
[2016-11-29 23:58:44] mjones : once BTC pumps to ATH then more users will come here and it'll be more fun
[2016-11-29 23:59:41] mjones : and once xbtcny is added china will be flocking here. then when china adds ETC it'll take off
[2016-11-30 00:09:19] numero : we're going to the moon!
[2016-11-30 00:09:20] numero : soon
[2016-11-30 00:10:40] jeeburns : These fee's every 8 hours are going to the moon, joke.
[2016-11-30 00:11:30] numero : yep, bad place for moon tickets
[2016-11-30 00:16:39] thiago : my total PNL is Unrealised + Realised?
[2016-11-30 00:16:56] sleger : usually thats how it works
[2016-11-30 00:19:45] jeeburns : are there hidden orders here or something? I set an order at 741 and it's instantly bought but the lowest ask is 541.12...?
[2016-11-30 00:21:12] XXXX : jeeburns: yes. you too can put hidden orders. check the box under BUY SELL buttons.
[2016-11-30 00:21:13] sleger : yes there are
[2016-11-30 00:22:06] sleger : also please stop trading 1s that is ridiculous
[2016-11-30 00:22:48] Tetsuo : try 10000 and the hidden ones will be gone...
[2016-11-30 00:22:54] Tetsuo : promiesed
[2016-11-30 00:29:02] sleger : most hidden orders around here are quite small anyways, i wonder why people even use them
[2016-11-30 00:30:04] Tetsuo : they wan´t to feel like the big boys, manipulatin and shit :-)
[2016-11-30 00:31:58] sleger : ok that makes total sense...
[2016-11-30 00:41:59] Adriana : I think Bitmex should add a Russian trollbox section too
[2016-11-30 00:42:31] sleger : nooooooo
[2016-11-30 00:42:41] sleger : then you are going to leave me for some russian :((
[2016-11-30 00:43:43] Tetsuo : Хочу встречаться? sleger бедна сейчас, он потерял всю свою долю в плохой торговле ETH
[2016-11-30 00:44:11] sleger : Tetsuo: lol, f you
[2016-11-30 00:44:17] Tetsuo : :-)
[2016-11-30 00:44:37] Adriana : sleger: I won't, promise