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[2015-10-29 16:13:16] owsleybeats : lol
[2015-10-29 16:13:48] macios15 : 2090
[2015-10-29 16:14:41] macios15 : if we pass 2100, rip shorters
[2015-10-29 16:14:44] jung1 : wtf
[2015-10-29 16:14:48] wurstgelee : wow
[2015-10-29 16:15:14] macios15 : finex above resistance
[2015-10-29 16:15:40] wurstgelee : now that was unexpected tbh
[2015-10-29 16:16:01] jung1 : welcome to crypto wild west
[2015-10-29 16:16:14] macios15 : ja tam longa odpalilem 10 minut temu
[2015-10-29 16:16:16] STRML : Insanity
[2015-10-29 16:16:38] wurstgelee : great, i love it
[2015-10-29 16:16:40] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-10-29 16:16:46] laisee : to infinity and beyond ...
[2015-10-29 16:16:47] messiaen8844 : new here, where do we start to short lol?
[2015-10-29 16:17:02] macios15 : at 1k lol
[2015-10-29 16:17:06] wurstgelee : haha :D
[2015-10-29 16:17:37] sleger : premium is so low now though
[2015-10-29 16:18:18] wurstgelee : mh. i wonder if i should risk a small long
[2015-10-29 16:18:19] wurstgelee : just because
[2015-10-29 16:18:30] justinlooking : XBTV15 offer is lower than XBT7D bid
[2015-10-29 16:18:44] macios15 : and we stay at this lvl lol
[2015-10-29 16:18:53] macios15 : it dose not come back
[2015-10-29 16:19:08] wurstgelee : mh
[2015-10-29 16:19:10] justinlooking : they always come back
[2015-10-29 16:20:04] macios15 : finex sup is at 330
[2015-10-29 16:20:17] justinlooking : spreads are for sandwiches and stops are for buses
[2015-10-29 16:20:47] macios15 : soo sky is clear to 330
[2015-10-29 16:22:06] macios15 : finex still pump, short squize ahead i think
[2015-10-29 16:22:26] jung1 : damn
[2015-10-29 16:22:43] wurstgelee : mhhhh
[2015-10-29 16:32:06] STRML : big dump
[2015-10-29 16:32:44] laisee : did someone drop something?
[2015-10-29 16:32:47] macios15 : 2k btc u call big dump
[2015-10-29 16:32:59] macios15 : china dont give fcuk
[2015-10-29 16:35:40] lnostdal : hi would be nice if you didn't change the default tab when clicking the "Bitcoin (XBT)" link guys .. :)
[2015-10-29 16:35:41] dynamike23 : those chinese honeybadgers
[2015-10-29 16:36:00] zanza : i dont know where this price is coming from
[2015-10-29 16:36:03] lnostdal : i mean this lead to XBT24H before, now it leads to XBTV15
[2015-10-29 16:36:06] zanza : its not OKcoins
[2015-10-29 16:36:22] lnostdal : zana: russians on localbitcoin have been buying like crazy because "russia banned btc"
[2015-10-29 16:36:33] sleger : you mean 0KCoin ?
[2015-10-29 16:36:40] zanza : yes sleger
[2015-10-29 16:36:48] zanza : it could be russians selling also =]
[2015-10-29 16:37:01] lnostdal : for every seller there is a buyer
[2015-10-29 16:37:02] zanza : most of the DNM folks are russian i think
[2015-10-29 16:39:06] dynamike23 : is this the ponzi we've been hearing about?
[2015-10-29 16:40:21] jung1 : what ponzi?
[2015-10-29 16:40:23] macios15 : this is why fair price must be based on china
[2015-10-29 16:40:27] macios15 : fcuking finex
[2015-10-29 16:40:58] dynamike23 : finex going bonkers
[2015-10-29 16:41:29] dynamike23 : jung1: there are rumors of some russian ponzi called mmm, owner of BTCChina was talking about it
[2015-10-29 16:41:30] macios15 : huobi still 2084
[2015-10-29 16:42:19] dynamike23 : OKCoin holding steady too
[2015-10-29 16:43:21] AudibleScience : why does finex take everyone down with them with they have a flash crash like that?
[2015-10-29 16:43:46] macios15 : i think shorters on finex start to panic and tryed to start the dump, nb sell 2k at one oder its waste of money
[2015-10-29 16:44:21] macios15 : its sign we are still going up
[2015-10-29 16:44:37] SnackyCoins : china did not give a fuck about that dump
[2015-10-29 16:45:07] dynamike23 : loving this mature language filter
[2015-10-29 16:45:23] macios15 : SnackyCoins: they acutely push it still up
[2015-10-29 16:45:29] dynamike23 : dumping continues
[2015-10-29 16:45:35] SnackyCoins : its shorts
[2015-10-29 16:45:45] SnackyCoins : those are fresh shorts on bitfinex
[2015-10-29 16:45:47] STRML : watch out, cryptowatch has been lagging badly for the last half hour at least
[2015-10-29 16:45:59] STRML : bitcoinwisdom seems to be the only charting site that's actually up to date
[2015-10-29 16:46:05] macios15 : noo its pussy farts on finex
[2015-10-29 16:46:15] justinlooking : lol wut
[2015-10-29 16:50:03] wurstgelee : XBT link now leading to XBTV15 now sucks btw
[2015-10-29 16:50:28] subframe : agree
[2015-10-29 16:50:35] STRML : Yeah just got notified of that via TS
[2015-10-29 16:50:36] subframe : got lost like 3 times
[2015-10-29 16:50:38] STRML : Going to push a fix shortly
[2015-10-29 16:51:48] dynamike23 : remember when gox coins used to be +$100 higher than the rest of the market?
[2015-10-29 16:52:49] macios15 : dynamike23: but now its whole china
[2015-10-29 16:55:03] escalicha : All finex dumps are to opening longS!
[2015-10-29 16:55:06] escalicha : shors*
[2015-10-29 16:56:19] messiaen8844 : anyone trading ethereum?
[2015-10-29 16:56:40] BitMEX_Sam : Instrument order is fixed
[2015-10-29 16:57:14] messiaen8844 : bitmex, new here, congratulations for the "bitmex lessons", very nice for new users
[2015-10-29 16:57:33] dynamike23 : macios15: its weird, not using to seeing this much disparity in recent times
[2015-10-29 16:57:49] macios15 : i would love to congratulations on that finex based fair price
[2015-10-29 16:58:35] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: Thanks, glad it's helping
[2015-10-29 16:58:47] BitMEX_Sam : macios15: It's XBX, not finex
[2015-10-29 17:01:35] subframe : finex ppl moving in to LTC
[2015-10-29 17:04:30] macios15 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVk25ZvTkU
[2015-10-29 17:05:34] dynamike23 : yolo etc?
[2015-10-29 17:05:40] dynamike23 : LTC?
[2015-10-29 17:10:29] sleger : as in litecoin maybe ?
[2015-10-29 17:11:43] laisee : fundamentals look better for LTC ...
[2015-10-29 17:17:55] jung1 : look on eth also
[2015-10-29 17:19:19] AudibleScience : best guess on where we're heading from here?
[2015-10-29 17:19:49] j8 : nowhere really for the next 5 or 6 hours
[2015-10-29 17:20:17] AudibleScience : and then man?
[2015-10-29 17:20:38] AudibleScience : I say up ^^^
[2015-10-29 17:21:13] macios15 : up, if it over we drop like 100 cny in 1 sec
[2015-10-29 17:21:29] AudibleScience : but that could be just be wishful thinking taking over my brain! hehehe
[2015-10-29 17:21:34] zanza : 311 stamp wall
[2015-10-29 17:22:00] j8 : i dunno, wouldn't be surprised to pull back another $5
[2015-10-29 17:22:09] macios15 : u mean that 220 btc lol?
[2015-10-29 17:23:01] zanza : yup macios :)
[2015-10-29 17:23:05] zanza : miniwall
[2015-10-29 17:24:32] j8 : okc futures settle in 14.5 hours, anything could happen then
[2015-10-29 17:25:20] zanza : i wish bitcoin wisdom would convert CNY to other currencies
[2015-10-29 17:26:20] zanza : anyone think volume bots caused this rally ?
[2015-10-29 17:27:14] j8 : no
[2015-10-29 17:28:06] j8 : how do you figure
[2015-10-29 17:29:08] zanza : a lot of people saying fake volume in China
[2015-10-29 17:29:14] AudibleScience : does anyone think arb bots equalise the difference between exchanges as fast as we saw earlier?... across the board?
[2015-10-29 17:29:48] AudibleScience : I mean that was so fast!
[2015-10-29 17:29:53] j8 : they would be the fastest
[2015-10-29 17:31:46] AudibleScience : So the arb bots are rinsing finex during their flash crash, and dumping into the best exchange in real time eh?
[2015-10-29 17:32:04] j8 : with websockets, you could potentially have a fill notification from one exchange trigger an order at another exchange as soon as its received
[2015-10-29 17:32:40] j8 : then it's just latency between multiple exchanges and wherever your bot is hosted
[2015-10-29 17:33:06] AudibleScience : wow!
[2015-10-29 17:33:23] AudibleScience : Is that what's happening then?
[2015-10-29 17:33:57] j8 : well, bitfinex only just introduced websockets, they're behind on that
[2015-10-29 17:34:53] AudibleScience : that's not surprising though, given the cut and past rumours... hehe
[2015-10-29 17:35:54] j8 : also if you're watching a charting site then you're already seeing a delayed feed
[2015-10-29 17:37:09] j8 : bitcoinwisdom is around two seconds behind what i get by connecting to exchanges directly
[2015-10-29 17:37:11] AudibleScience : How do you overcome that?
[2015-10-29 17:37:37] AudibleScience : or do you overcome it on a server for a bot... but not for a human?
[2015-10-29 17:38:19] j8 : from my residential connection i might get 100 ms latency to most western exchanges if i'm lucky
[2015-10-29 17:38:33] j8 : which is a lot better than 1 or 2 seconds
[2015-10-29 17:39:40] j8 : if you host a bot in the cloud, you might get much lower latency if you can host it near the exchange
[2015-10-29 17:39:46] wurstgelee : is it only me or is mark price updating way faster now?
[2015-10-29 17:40:58] j8 : it's really easy to get low latency to bitmex since its on amazon AWS
[2015-10-29 17:41:05] Mido : Why is chat called "trollbox"?
[2015-10-29 17:41:37] macios15 : becouse your mother use it hehehe
[2015-10-29 17:41:45] nickhnt : lol
[2015-10-29 17:42:10] AudibleScience : so, you're connecting via websockets, and charting locally, you're adding the latency of your connection and subtracting the latency from say wisdom... @j8
[2015-10-29 17:43:07] Mido : uses*, learn English bro
[2015-10-29 17:43:08] sleger : for manual trading that doesnt make much sense... plus main exchanges are located in different part of the world anyways
[2015-10-29 17:43:19] j8 : AudibleScience: yeah you cut out the middleman. still, if i'm watching a realtime chart i know i won't react as fast as the bots
[2015-10-29 17:44:06] AudibleScience : very cool man... would you help hook me up the same way at some point man?
[2015-10-29 17:45:31] AudibleScience : I'm not ready just yet... still learning at a relatively ferocious pace! But when I've evolved a bit more maybe?
[2015-10-29 17:47:23] j8 : sure i can point you in the right direction. i don't have any good software to recommend, i've worked a bit on stuff like that though
[2015-10-29 17:48:04] AudibleScience : Id like to get a few bots on the go too, but all in good time... when I'm a better trader... because ultimately the bot still needs input from it's master... and if that's gonna be me... I need to become the master first! hehe
[2015-10-29 17:50:02] j8 : yeah i've been planning on getting bots going, for now mostly its tools to help with manual trading
[2015-10-29 17:53:23] AudibleScience : very cool man...
[2015-10-29 17:53:40] jung1 : litecoin wtf
[2015-10-29 17:53:45] jung1 : 0.012
[2015-10-29 17:54:16] nickhnt : dumped btc for ltc
[2015-10-29 18:44:51] wurstgelee : moonshot, 2nd attempt
[2015-10-29 18:46:58] justinlooking : wow ETH, did not notice that at all
[2015-10-29 18:56:08] roymalmberg : BitMEX trade during the weekend?
[2015-10-29 18:56:42] j8 : 24/7 the party never stops
[2015-10-29 18:57:13] SnackyCoins : ya bitcoin never closes
[2015-10-29 18:57:17] roymalmberg : That's amazing actually, currencies doesn't trade during the weekend
[2015-10-29 18:57:25] roymalmberg : oppoooooortunity:D
[2015-10-29 18:57:34] jung1 : ltc 0.012
[2015-10-29 18:57:37] jung1 : on polo
[2015-10-29 18:57:44] macios15 : wisdom got like 5 years and they didnt deal that lags even now
[2015-10-29 18:58:12] j8 : somehow that became a link
[2015-10-29 18:58:16] SnackyCoins : Any BitMEX around? I have a strategy i'd like to execute but not 100% how
[2015-10-29 18:58:27] SnackyCoins : sure*
[2015-10-29 18:58:29] jung1 : share with us
[2015-10-29 18:58:46] SnackyCoins : so i am long XBUZ from a really nice position
[2015-10-29 18:58:51] SnackyCoins : i have profit i would like to lock in
[2015-10-29 18:58:59] SnackyCoins : but i do not want to give up the entry
[2015-10-29 18:59:09] SnackyCoins : so instead i wish to short a shorter term contract
[2015-10-29 18:59:27] j8 : good plan the premiums are nice
[2015-10-29 18:59:41] SnackyCoins : but am not sure the number of contracts to translate between XBU to XBT
[2015-10-29 19:00:26] j8 : k see your position value in btc in the table?
[2015-10-29 19:00:42] SnackyCoins : yeah
[2015-10-29 19:00:58] SnackyCoins : ah get up to that number?
[2015-10-29 19:01:08] j8 : put some numbers into the order controls until the order value matches
[2015-10-29 19:01:26] SnackyCoins : easier than expected :) love it when i dont have to use a calculator
[2015-10-29 19:01:35] j8 : yeah it's handy
[2015-10-29 19:02:28] SnackyCoins : Also thanks for the help :)
[2015-10-29 19:02:33] j8 : you might want to wait for next week's contract or the november to launch
[2015-10-29 19:02:37] j8 : np
[2015-10-29 19:02:52] SnackyCoins : I'll jump back in tomorrow morning, i'll be awake
[2015-10-29 19:03:20] SnackyCoins : its okc settlement tonight so i expect some action
[2015-10-29 19:03:47] j8 : yeah me too.
[2015-10-29 19:04:17] jung1 : 0.0125 LTC
[2015-10-29 19:06:39] SnackyCoins : cross margin is the bee's knees 8)
[2015-10-29 19:08:33] j8 : it is, although the downside is it's not straightforward to know what your liquidation prices are
[2015-10-29 19:10:00] roymalmberg : A question, does XBT index only provide closing price for minute data?
[2015-10-29 19:14:12] j8 : yeah, that's about as good as it gets for historical XBX data
[2015-10-29 19:14:58] j8 : tradeblock doesn't provide it to the public at lower than 1 hour intervals
[2015-10-29 19:15:18] roymalmberg : I see, really dont need more though :)
[2015-10-29 19:16:02] roymalmberg : What is your background guys and gals? been trading in different environments?
[2015-10-29 19:17:01] sleger : yes, summer sun, autumn rain, snow etc....
[2015-10-29 19:17:13] j8 : been trading about 2 years, it's been a fun ride
[2015-10-29 19:17:56] j8 : made a lot of hilarious mistakes and had some brilliant luck
[2015-10-29 19:18:14] roymalmberg : I see, how come you started trading bitcoin?
[2015-10-29 19:19:21] roymalmberg : I've been trading stocks and commodities, but figured there is alot of opportunity in this new market
[2015-10-29 19:19:55] roymalmberg : j8: from?
[2015-10-29 19:20:23] j8 : got really interested in the technology and then got a little caught up in bubble fever back in fall 2013
[2015-10-29 19:20:32] j8 : bought some shitty altcoins
[2015-10-29 19:20:58] j8 : been through the woodchipper a couple times
[2015-10-29 19:21:53] j8 : sold almost all my btc to pay for life, got down to my last 1.5 this summer
[2015-10-29 19:22:32] j8 : and have had a brilliant run since then
[2015-10-29 19:22:56] sleger : is it even worth your time to trade with 1.5 btc ???
[2015-10-29 19:23:27] j8 : i figured what the heck, i was trading `BVOL24H` at the time
[2015-10-29 19:23:52] j8 : the volatility contract. and made 6.5 btc the day of the flash crash
[2015-10-29 19:26:22] sleger : does it still exist ?
[2015-10-29 19:26:26] sleger : bvol24?
[2015-10-29 19:26:34] j8 : nope the liquidity never really came
[2015-10-29 19:27:21] j8 : back then it was indexed to bitfinex too.. so the `BVOL24H` index went from 2 to over 30 that day
[2015-10-29 19:27:50] roymalmberg : interesting I wouldn't be suprised if bitcoin have another bubble, isn't futures pretty new? It's only going to help bitcoin to run up
[2015-10-29 19:28:30] roymalmberg : flash crashes kind of scare me though, hard to get out I suppose, or is it liquidity?
[2015-10-29 19:29:09] j8 : the okc charts go back to sept 2014, so yeah we haven't seen futures in a real uptrend
[2015-10-29 19:42:36] j8 : just a series of disappointments.
[2015-10-29 19:43:52] cekseh : You sound like my mother
[2015-10-29 19:44:03] SnackyCoins : lol
[2015-10-29 19:44:06] SnackyCoins : ceksy
[2015-10-29 19:44:16] cekseh : Hey snacky
[2015-10-29 19:44:42] SnackyCoins : trading here now :)?
[2015-10-29 19:45:09] cekseh : Been trading here since before everyone was saying they couldnt trade here because of low liquidity
[2015-10-29 19:45:27] SnackyCoins : heh ditto
[2015-10-29 19:45:36] SnackyCoins : easy money back then
[2015-10-29 19:45:49] SnackyCoins : easy money now 8)
[2015-10-29 19:45:52] cekseh : These week hasn't been so bad
[2015-10-29 19:45:55] cekseh : Yeah I was gonna say
[2015-10-29 19:46:00] cekseh : This*
[2015-10-29 19:46:34] SnackyCoins : my best wins ever this rally
[2015-10-29 19:46:44] cekseh : Nice =)
[2015-10-29 19:47:41] cekseh : Yeah I withdrew a good chunk of my (small) account here a few days ago and made it all up and more over the last 72 hrs
[2015-10-29 19:48:40] j8 : and the best part is, your btc are worth 30% more than a month ago
[2015-10-29 19:49:09] roymalmberg : tax free ? =D
[2015-10-29 19:49:42] cekseh : Everyone here pays their taxes
[2015-10-29 19:50:38] SnackyCoins : if you are making money in btc then you can afford to pay them lol
[2015-10-29 19:51:11] SnackyCoins : if you are losing money you can claim it maybe ;)
[2015-10-29 19:51:19] laisee : from 1 to about 8 BC in few months, while learning something about futures ... nice
[2015-10-29 19:51:21] roymalmberg : great! I'm not from the IRS
[2015-10-29 19:51:59] SnackyCoins : yeah great educational experience
[2015-10-29 19:52:08] SnackyCoins : trading losses < tuition
[2015-10-29 19:52:24] SnackyCoins : maybe :P if you are smart
[2015-10-29 19:52:29] laisee : and EH just for fun. ;-).
[2015-10-29 19:52:36] j8 : unless you live somewhere with free tuition
[2015-10-29 19:52:38] laisee : and ETH ...
[2015-10-29 19:53:08] SnackyCoins : true you could also live someplace where btc gain is not taxed :P
[2015-10-29 19:53:38] cekseh : Also teaches you to control your emotions and roll with the punches, when okc becomes unavailable for western traders and then moves the price 50$
[2015-10-29 19:53:44] cekseh : Resulting in half your accoutn getting nuked
[2015-10-29 19:53:48] cekseh : =)
[2015-10-29 19:55:07] j8 : yeah not a good feeling
[2015-10-29 19:57:26] cekseh : Then again, that feeling when it happens again the opposite way 2 days later in your benefit is rather enjoyable
[2015-10-29 19:57:44] j8 : leverage is crack
[2015-10-29 19:58:04] j8 : you just have to be a responsible crack user
[2015-10-29 19:58:21] j8 : and not throw your life savings at it
[2015-10-29 19:58:55] roymalmberg : what savings?
[2015-10-29 19:59:24] macios15 : roymalmberg: good point
[2015-10-29 19:59:28] laisee : put away the pipe when it starts feeling good
[2015-10-29 19:59:53] j8 : oh, and don't trade futures while on crack
[2015-10-29 20:00:16] cekseh : I'm too privileged for crack, nose candy is the way to go.
[2015-10-29 20:00:24] j8 : that's fine
[2015-10-29 20:01:18] laisee : ... good for the confidence, not good for bottom tine
[2015-10-29 20:29:19] j8 : hey guys, at this price the contracts are worth $1.00
[2015-10-29 20:29:28] j8 : neato
[2015-10-29 20:41:53] Mido : meow
[2015-10-29 20:45:48] STRML : woof
[2015-10-29 20:46:17] wurstgelee : mooooooo
[2015-10-29 20:47:19] STRML : BitMEX, the home of 100x leveraged farm animals
[2015-10-29 20:48:04] j8 : what animal says neato?
[2015-10-29 20:48:32] j8 : me i guess
[2015-10-29 20:49:00] Mido : neato? is it even a word?
[2015-10-29 20:49:21] wurstgelee : typo. without o
[2015-10-29 20:49:38] j8 : it means neat
[2015-10-29 20:51:16] Mido : you mean not-dirt?
[2015-10-29 20:52:09] j8 : i mean interesting
[2015-10-29 20:55:01] Mido : lets guess the price for tomorrow
[2015-10-29 20:55:18] laisee : china wakes up, again
[2015-10-29 20:55:20] Mido : 325 usd
[2015-10-29 20:55:25] wurstgelee : 250-400. approximately
[2015-10-29 20:55:39] Mido : XDDD
[2015-10-29 20:55:42] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-10-29 20:56:42] laisee : 2200 CNY
[2015-10-29 20:57:03] nickhnt : mun
[2015-10-29 20:57:04] nickhnt : lol
[2015-10-29 20:57:05] nickhnt : xD
[2015-10-29 20:58:15] laisee : $MORE
[2015-10-29 20:58:31] Mido : How many % of BTC chinese guys have? Is it possible to check it somewhere?
[2015-10-29 20:58:57] nickhnt : i've seen in an article the volume % of the exchanges
[2015-10-29 20:59:10] nickhnt : 85%+ is from OKCoin and Huobi alone
[2015-10-29 20:59:21] Mido : holy god
[2015-10-29 20:59:32] j8 : trading volume is a really bad measure for those exchanges though
[2015-10-29 20:59:32] nickhnt : hahaha ok co became the woodchipper
[2015-10-29 21:00:55] nickhnt : j8: yes it is not so great
[2015-10-29 21:02:29] nickhnt : Mido: we can't know for certain how many btcs the orient have in their hands
[2015-10-29 21:04:37] j8 : we know a substantial amount of the hash power comes from china. not sure offhand
[2015-10-29 21:05:20] nickhnt : yeah if we know the % that they get each day we can estimate how many they have now
[2015-10-29 21:06:49] Mido : which market has the largest volume overall? Bitfinex?
[2015-10-29 21:07:10] sleger : noooooo, the chinese ones by far
[2015-10-29 21:07:42] wurstgelee : 0kcoin and huobi
[2015-10-29 21:08:11] wurstgelee : they use volumizer/artifiacal volume tho
[2015-10-29 21:08:18] wurstgelee : artificia
[2015-10-29 21:08:21] wurstgelee : l
[2015-10-29 21:08:23] wurstgelee : ffs
[2015-10-29 21:08:30] Mido : both?
[2015-10-29 21:08:43] sleger : no it is not artificial it is real
[2015-10-29 21:08:55] sleger : but i do agree volume is not a meaningful measure
[2015-10-29 21:09:35] j8 : real in the sense that someone really bought their own coins at no cost
[2015-10-29 21:09:48] laisee : in or out of China? seehttps://www.coinhills.com for vol numbers
[2015-10-29 21:10:16] sleger : j8: not necessarily it can be algo a trading against algo b against algo c and d etc...
[2015-10-29 21:11:22] j8 : sure there's lots of that, but a big part of their recorded volume is from huge trades that are in the middle of the spread and are never seen on the orderbook
[2015-10-29 21:11:41] j8 : i.e. submit a bid and ask that cross at the exact same time
[2015-10-29 21:13:08] sleger : hmm ok that is really fake volume :p
[2015-10-29 21:13:15] j8 : happens on huobi and okc. they basically compete for top 24h volume
[2015-10-29 21:13:43] laisee : if order book never saw a trade, did it really happen ..
[2015-10-29 21:14:02] j8 : trade history shows it, you would need to snap the orderbook at the exact right moment
[2015-10-29 21:18:03] j8 : they don't send individual orderbook changes by websocket and there's no historical record either
[2015-10-29 21:19:36] laisee : yeah, exacttly
[2015-10-29 21:21:30] laisee : real trades, but on whose account?
[2015-10-29 21:22:56] j8 : well, if you had a bad connection you might risk getting filled by someone else
[2015-10-29 21:23:55] j8 : they offer a paid colocation service, so it probably comes from one of those colocated customers, or okc themselves
[2015-10-29 21:24:18] sleger : they shouldnt let someone trade against themselves, they should at least have to make the effort of having 2 accounts, and the risks that come with
[2015-10-29 21:24:32] j8 : it's a trivial difference.
[2015-10-29 21:24:39] sleger : j8: do you know whats the price of colo ?
[2015-10-29 21:25:05] sleger : and no its not trivial, much more risk if market moves to have one account liquidated
[2015-10-29 21:25:22] sleger : and you cant withdraw unrealised etc etc
[2015-10-29 21:27:10] j8 : not sure of the cost but its probably a lot. i was mostly talking about spot where there's no fee and no liquidations
[2015-10-29 21:27:12] macios15 : china wakes up
[2015-10-29 21:27:28] wurstgelee : too early for that normally
[2015-10-29 21:27:37] wurstgelee : shouldnt happen earlier than 2h from now
[2015-10-29 21:28:21] macios15 : those 20k shorts on finex gona get margin call
[2015-10-29 21:30:47] sleger : 20k shorts ?
[2015-10-29 21:31:12] macios15 : sleger: yes
[2015-10-29 21:31:24] sleger : what are you talking about ?
[2015-10-29 21:33:16] sleger : price on bfx will jump soon higher
[2015-10-29 21:33:43] macios15 : sleger: sb opened at 320 like 7k soo its sum of 20k i think
[2015-10-29 21:33:45] j8 : https://bfxdata.com/combined/btc
[2015-10-29 21:34:00] macios15 : i didnt looket on stats
[2015-10-29 21:34:36] sleger : macios15: sb ?
[2015-10-29 21:34:51] macios15 : somebody
[2015-10-29 21:34:54] sleger : somebody ?
[2015-10-29 21:34:56] sleger : ah ok
[2015-10-29 21:35:37] sleger : if they opened at 320 then they have long time to go
[2015-10-29 21:37:13] macios15 : sleger: yes, too much for this attempt next try in 1-2h
[2015-10-29 21:37:43] sleger : leverage is not even 3 at best on bfx so they wouldnt get a stop loss before 400+
[2015-10-29 21:39:01] macios15 : sleger: i think they exit faster
[2015-10-29 21:39:38] macios15 : sleger: fake 2k wall at huobi
[2015-10-29 21:40:08] sleger : it's at 2100, we will see how fake it is
[2015-10-29 21:42:14] macios15 : and its gone
[2015-10-29 21:43:50] sleger : no ?
[2015-10-29 21:44:02] wurstgelee : no it isnt
[2015-10-29 21:44:09] wurstgelee : still going up
[2015-10-29 21:44:19] macios15 : sb put it again
[2015-10-29 21:45:22] sleger : that sb guy is a real joker :)
[2015-10-29 21:45:45] macios15 : :D
[2015-10-29 21:52:01] MarketQ : When i place a stop loss on this site and I enter the limit price and stop price it executes at the stop level but not for the limit order part of the "stop limit" is this your experience with Bitmex
[2015-10-29 21:52:52] BitMEX_Sam : Not sure what you mean - when a stop hits its stop price, it enters the book at the limit price
[2015-10-29 21:53:18] macios15 : my expirence with bitmex is when i close market exacly the same time when MM deletes order book and close with lose insted with profit
[2015-10-29 21:56:00] sleger : yes the orderbook is quite empty without these quotes
[2015-10-29 21:58:09] macios15 : all walls gone, time to go up
[2015-10-29 21:58:26] FoCheezyBreezy : NEVER market close for any reason. It's too dangerous for the exact reason you said, macios15. just do limit orders and click a place deep enough in the order book where you know you'll be completely filled. After you click a spot in the order book, just make sure your quantity is correct
[2015-10-29 21:58:57] macios15 : FoCheezyBreezy: now i know
[2015-10-29 22:04:31] BitMEX_Sam : Alternatively, use Close Limit
[2015-10-29 22:24:57] justinlooking : aww bless, according to cw.ch 1min gemini had two little flash crashes to 261
[2015-10-29 22:26:47] macios15 : i think its corection time
[2015-10-29 22:27:02] justinlooking : back to 1200?
[2015-10-29 22:27:11] justinlooking : it's been a long time coming...
[2015-10-29 22:27:22] fyrstikken : buy now and get insta-rekt on 100X with the MM messing up the orderbook
[2015-10-29 22:27:30] macios15 : yes, little corection to 1200cny lol
[2015-10-29 22:27:59] macios15 : premium short at daily
[2015-10-29 22:28:40] justinlooking : cheapies on the 7d
[2015-10-29 22:30:00] Mido : Could you please explain what the fair price is?
[2015-10-29 22:31:20] macios15 : shit
[2015-10-29 22:32:45] justinlooking : Mido: that should be in the FAQ. i think it might be a TWAP from tradeblock...
[2015-10-29 22:33:03] justinlooking : *should be, but isn't
[2015-10-29 22:33:13] j8 : it's not a TWAP until the last 30 mins before settlement
[2015-10-29 22:34:39] j8 : 2 hours on the longer contracts
[2015-10-29 22:35:20] Mido : btc-e price: 305 usd - wtf¿
[2015-10-29 22:38:56] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#fair-price-marking
[2015-10-29 22:39:06] BitMEX_Sam : Mido: Yeah, btc-e has been very cheap for a while - it must be very expensive to get fiat in
[2015-10-29 22:54:45] BitMEX_Sam : cengel: Got you a present
[2015-10-29 22:55:10] BitMEX_Sam : https://blog.bitmex.com/transferable-margin-on-isolated-positions/
[2015-10-29 22:56:21] wykop.pl : like!
[2015-10-29 22:56:49] BitMEX_Sam : TL;DR: You can now add and remove margin from isolated positions at will to adjust your effective leverage
[2015-10-29 22:57:24] wykop.pl : need to relogin?
[2015-10-29 22:57:38] Yumi : thats very nice :)
[2015-10-29 22:59:38] BitMEX_Sam : wykop.pl: Just refresh
[2015-10-29 23:00:26] wykop.pl : ctrl+f5 no impact
[2015-10-29 23:01:23] Yumi : its next to the "value" in open positions tab, not next to "isoalte margin"
[2015-10-29 23:01:40] Yumi : in margin tab
[2015-10-29 23:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : The position needs to be isolated to see it.
[2015-10-29 23:06:44] Yumi : woul;d be cool if you could set margin level with slider and be shown how much margin you need add/remove to achieve that margin level
[2015-10-29 23:08:03] Yumi : if I want to make my positon 10x leveraged I need to guess how much to add
[2015-10-29 23:10:15] daverich : IN the api /position response, how does "avgCostPrice" differ from "avgEntryPrice"?
[2015-10-29 23:14:45] BitMEX_Sam : daverich: `avgCostPrice` is what is shown on the UI, it is the average price of the position entry
[2015-10-29 23:15:00] BitMEX_Sam : Whereas `avgEntryPrice` is the number used for unrealised pnl calculations, and changes upon rebalance
[2015-10-29 23:15:30] daverich : so avgCostPrice doesn't change on a rebalance?
[2015-10-29 23:15:36] BitMEX_Sam : Exactly
[2015-10-29 23:15:48] daverich : Thanks
[2015-10-29 23:16:35] Yumi : I thought it was other way around, good I didnt say anything x)
[2015-10-30 00:00:39] donchard : how do i use the add margin feature
[2015-10-30 00:02:38] BitMEX_Sam : donchard: https://blog.bitmex.com/transferable-margin-on-isolated-positions/
[2015-10-30 00:11:41] donchard : so whae is the list margin i can add
[2015-10-30 00:22:40] j8 : 1 satoshi apparently
[2015-10-30 00:43:40] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: nice to see this feature roll out. one thing i notice is, when i add margin the available margin doesn't update elsewhere on the site
[2015-10-30 00:45:44] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks j8, looking into it.
[2015-10-30 00:54:13] j8 : maybe there's other issues, it's not updating when i place orders either
[2015-10-30 00:58:14] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Yes, there's currently an issue with the auto update of margin, it is correct on a refresh. The fix is deploying right now.
[2015-10-30 01:01:04] Gemz : btc to 400
[2015-10-30 01:07:45] j8 : it's never spent much time in the 300's
[2015-10-30 01:17:55] BitMEX_Sam : j8: On a refresh you'll see margin move properly, thanks for the note
[2015-10-30 01:18:02] j8 : ok cool
[2015-10-30 02:56:22] Satoshi : Whats up
[2015-10-30 03:00:25] AudibleScience : what's up man
[2015-10-30 03:02:42] AudibleScience : not the real Satoshi then...
[2015-10-30 03:05:25] AudibleScience : Won't the real Sa-to-shi, please stand up? Please stand up!
[2015-10-30 04:21:46] sleger : the OB is inverted ???
[2015-10-30 04:29:56] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Please refresh, we're seeing an occasional update issue in the web client, investigating
[2015-10-30 04:30:17] sleger : i have a screenshot if you want
[2015-10-30 04:32:28] BitMEX_Sam : Sure, support@bitmex.com
[2015-10-30 04:35:01] macios15 : i just got on chart wtf
[2015-10-30 04:40:14] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: sent
[2015-10-30 04:41:52] macios15 : do u think we gona bounce from that 340
[2015-10-30 04:50:06] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Issue is fixed, was visual only
[2015-10-30 04:50:09] BitMEX_Sam : Please refresh
[2015-10-30 04:56:40] macios15 : bears can attack now, great head and shoulders to make or not
[2015-10-30 04:57:59] macios15 : but if 2250 hodls still up
[2015-10-30 04:59:51] macios15 : and its done, bears won that one, going to reverse now
[2015-10-30 05:09:28] mitior : lol
[2015-10-30 05:12:36] cekseh : macios should we buy or sell?!?! whats it doing next bro.
[2015-10-30 05:12:36] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: Your UX rules! I love BitMEX!!
[2015-10-30 05:12:44] cekseh : ^
[2015-10-30 05:13:41] AudibleScience : macios15: that was something else man! are you still here?
[2015-10-30 05:13:45] macios15 : cekseh: im waiting for that triangle what is making to set
[2015-10-30 05:13:47] SnackyCoins : +1 to that
[2015-10-30 05:13:59] macios15 : i predicted that, im genius
[2015-10-30 05:14:11] macios15 : http://scr.hu/3e9p/yd9u1
[2015-10-30 05:14:55] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks AudibleScience
[2015-10-30 05:15:20] macios15 : http://scr.hu/3e9p/bb6ul no we wait for this to set, or no if huobi drops
[2015-10-30 05:17:22] macios15 : if 2100 holds i think up, that was not clear head and shoulders
[2015-10-30 05:18:03] macios15 : i was talking about 1k $ by december and i still hold it
[2015-10-30 05:25:32] AudibleScience : cool man!
[2015-10-30 05:25:43] AudibleScience : I need sleep now... but well done man!
[2015-10-30 05:26:51] AudibleScience : I hope you're right though!
[2015-10-30 05:57:21] jerryd : what happened to the open interest volume traded number that used to show on the contract details?
[2015-10-30 06:13:59] MarketQ : http://www.tradingview.com/x/8Qme840k
[2015-10-30 06:15:58] wykop.pl : 32 contracts for 320.06
[2015-10-30 06:16:09] macios15 : wypok
[2015-10-30 06:16:35] macios15 : gdzie ty to sprawdzasz
[2015-10-30 06:16:41] wykop.pl : co?
[2015-10-30 06:17:29] macios15 : o co chodzi z tym co napisałe
[2015-10-30 06:17:58] wykop.pl : gosc wkleil wykres z tradingview z pikiem do 320
[2015-10-30 06:18:04] wykop.pl : brakowalo MM stad skok
[2015-10-30 06:18:38] wykop.pl : nie spisz dzisiaj? :P
[2015-10-30 06:20:45] macios15 : wlasnie przespałem od 2050 do teraz
[2015-10-30 06:44:48] Mido : ładnie leci
[2015-10-30 06:47:25] macios15 : Mido: 2500-2600 do jutra a pozniej albo dalej albo korekt
[2015-10-30 06:47:47] Mido : skąd pewność że dobije jutro 2.5k?
[2015-10-30 06:48:06] Mido : Jutro też może być korekta.
[2015-10-30 06:48:21] Mido : Chyba że wierzysz w barierę psychologiczną :P
[2015-10-30 06:48:58] macios15 : Mido: dopiero skośni mają tam pierwszy opór, generalnie przed zakończeniem tygodnia na zawrót nie ma co liczyć
[2015-10-30 06:54:11] donchard : when does xbt24 expire
[2015-10-30 06:54:20] HotDogs : 12:00 GMT
[2015-10-30 06:54:29] wykop.pl : 5hours
[2015-10-30 07:11:56] donchard : why am i seeing expiry in 1 hour
[2015-10-30 08:19:05] Scottv53 : hi @BitMEX_Sam what is the difference between cross and isolated margin?
[2015-10-30 08:20:49] BitMEX_Arthur : Hi
[2015-10-30 08:21:18] BitMEX_Arthur : Isolate margin allows you to use the maximum leverage and losses on that position will not affect your wider account balance
[2015-10-30 08:21:32] BitMEX_Arthur : Cross margin means that your entire account balance is used as margin for a position
[2015-10-30 08:21:52] BitMEX_Arthur : If you are long, the liquidation price will be higher using Isolate Margin vs. Cross Margin
[2015-10-30 08:22:04] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/whatsDifferent
[2015-10-30 08:24:54] Scottv53 : what would be the prudent setting to use without being continuously being liquitdated?
[2015-10-30 08:25:10] BitMEX_Arthur : Cross Margin
[2015-10-30 08:28:11] Scottv53 : thank you?
[2015-10-30 08:28:30] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Arthur: thank you.
[2015-10-30 08:28:33] BitMEX_Arthur : Np please ask any questions that you have
[2015-10-30 08:28:38] BitMEX_Arthur : we are here to help
[2015-10-30 08:43:28] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Arthur: with regards to basis trading, with XBT moving up , what would be strategy to employ?
[2015-10-30 08:44:02] BitMEX_Arthur : The long end XBTH16 and XBTZ15 look cheap, liquidity will get better on those after weekly settlement today
[2015-10-30 08:51:01] laisee : ... China prices are indicating something good (or bad) ... $20+ over non-CNY exchanges.
[2015-10-30 08:56:58] Scottv53 : @BitMEX_Arthur do we go long XBTZ15 or short how does the term structure looks like?
[2015-10-30 08:57:28] BitMEX_Arthur : the front end looks very expensive, so i would short XBT7D vs. long XBTZ15 or XBTH16
[2015-10-30 08:57:39] BitMEX_Arthur : each week when XBT7D expires re-enter your short
[2015-10-30 08:57:44] BitMEX_Arthur : and you will earn positive carry
[2015-10-30 08:58:04] BitMEX_Arthur : and if we stay above $300, i think the long end will rally as people buy longer term positions for Bitcoin
[2015-10-30 08:58:05] BitMEX_Arthur : appreciation
[2015-10-30 08:58:08] BitMEX_Arthur : in the future
[2015-10-30 09:03:50] gaoMex : laisee: In 2013 the same thing happened.
[2015-10-30 09:04:56] lockhedge : we hit 300 Euro on Kraken now
[2015-10-30 09:06:17] Mido : withhelf profit = loss?
[2015-10-30 09:06:40] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-10-30 09:06:48] BitMEX_Arthur : Read that it will answer your question
[2015-10-30 09:06:51] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Arthur: how do you calculate the potential positive carry earning?
[2015-10-30 09:06:53] laisee : gaomex> 4Q '15 == 4Q '13. Then CNY exchanges == Gox?
[2015-10-30 09:07:40] BitMEX_Arthur : Scottv53: https://blog.bitmex.com/bitcoin-futures-basis-trading-lesson-1/
[2015-10-30 09:07:44] BitMEX_Arthur : there are three lessons
[2015-10-30 09:07:54] BitMEX_Arthur : read those and it will lay out the basics of basis trading
[2015-10-30 09:08:58] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Arthur: ok
[2015-10-30 09:12:32] TheRealJohnGalt : Is there a way to change leverage on your platform, or am I misunderstanding it?
[2015-10-30 09:13:06] BitMEX_Arthur : There is a way to add margin to a position where Isolate Margin is selected
[2015-10-30 09:13:07] BitMEX_Arthur : https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/transferable-margin-on-isolated-positions/
[2015-10-30 09:13:17] BitMEX_Arthur : https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/transferable-margin-on-isolated-positions/
[2015-10-30 09:13:18] TheRealJohnGalt : cool, ty
[2015-10-30 09:13:34] Mido : I read that and still don't undertand what is going to my money. Balance: 0.6709, available: 0.5613...
[2015-10-30 09:13:50] gaoMex : laisee: Nope. It's because of difficulty in arbitrage, AFAIK.
[2015-10-30 09:19:23] BitMEX_Arthur : If you have made profit on a DPE contract, you cannot withdrawal or re leverage until the daily or weekly settlement / rebalance
[2015-10-30 09:19:34] BitMEX_Arthur : today at 12:00 GMT, that profit will be made available to you
[2015-10-30 09:19:41] BitMEX_Arthur : after any profit adjustment is applied
[2015-10-30 09:20:27] Mido : why is that rebalance for?
[2015-10-30 09:20:31] Mido : what*
[2015-10-30 09:20:37] roymalmberg : contract expiration
[2015-10-30 09:21:02] Mido : so it was my fault. I shouldn't been buying them a few hours ago
[2015-10-30 09:21:06] roymalmberg : It's not like CFDs, contracts need to expire
[2015-10-30 09:21:19] BitMEX_Arthur : For contracts that are longer than a week in length, all profits are realised each week and if there is a profit adjustment it is applied and then the profit is released to you
[2015-10-30 09:21:27] roymalmberg : just like any futures
[2015-10-30 09:21:48] Mido : I have bought 24h contracts.