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[2016-11-27 23:57:56] wurstgelee : doesnt really make sense now
[2016-11-27 23:58:38] numero : I'd love to see zcrash be even zcrashier :)
[2016-11-27 23:58:51] wurstgelee : i doubt we will see arthur's prediction tbh
[2016-11-27 23:59:01] wurstgelee : what was it? .02? 0.015?
[2016-11-27 23:59:17] Tetsuo : "ButchPooch: I don't get how trolling on a crypto exchange can be fun... " my personal quote of the year
[2016-11-27 23:59:46] BitMEX_Sam : Never underestimate boredom on the Internet
[2016-11-28 00:01:39] Rado : wurstgelee: I am sure we will
[2016-11-28 00:01:58] wurstgelee : time will tell :)
[2016-11-28 00:02:11] Tetsuo : trolls will tell
[2016-11-28 00:02:19] Rado : that is for sure :-)
[2016-11-28 00:05:49] micmix : investors paid something like 0.024 for ZEC as far as I remember. it might get below but that level will be defended with lots of money
[2016-11-28 00:10:52] micmix : and I'm sure ZEC will be pumped when supply stabilizes a little, most likely using some positive news as a pretext
[2016-11-28 00:12:44] numero : I'm not sure of anything . . . that's why I lurk here
[2016-11-28 00:12:45] BitMEX_Sam : Personally I'd be surprised if it goes below investor levels, but I've been wrong before
[2016-11-28 00:16:35] micmix : yeah, most likely accumulation in 0.05-0.025 range before pumping
[2016-11-28 00:18:21] micmix : 'they' might wait for polo to add margin trading before pumping though
[2016-11-28 00:22:19] ButchPooch : I see a 0.02 before the pump
[2016-11-28 00:22:49] rapidtrades : you're all full of it
[2016-11-28 00:28:39] rapidtrades : ok dollar down, yuan up
[2016-11-28 00:28:53] rapidtrades : sizable moves for this time of day
[2016-11-28 00:36:10] QuantFocus : i have sizable moves at least once per day
[2016-11-28 00:36:19] QuantFocus : typically after my coffee
[2016-11-28 00:37:20] XBT_Saver : t's Monday morning in China now so btc to the moon soon no?
[2016-11-28 00:42:25] laisee : only if everyone starts buying now, pls help the monday pump all u can
[2016-11-28 00:53:10] rapidtrades : ok a sharp dollar selloff now
[2016-11-28 00:57:36] Rado : USDJPY -90 pips
[2016-11-28 01:02:12] rapidtrades : Rado: did u test out that options trading site/
[2016-11-28 01:02:25] Rado : no
[2016-11-28 01:05:07] Lord Rothschild : sorry
[2016-11-28 01:07:03] Rado : Lord Rothschild: hey bud
[2016-11-28 01:07:08] Rado : how is the empire?
[2016-11-28 01:07:54] rullwull : just fixed 2,2 btc profit from usdjpy short on simplefx
[2016-11-28 01:08:36] Rado : rullwull: nice
[2016-11-28 01:09:16] rullwull : still keep usdcad shorts
[2016-11-28 01:16:26] Lord Rothschild : So, what you guys think about a UBI distributed through a new crypto?
[2016-11-28 01:16:45] rapidtrades : rullwull: new lows for usdjpy
[2016-11-28 01:17:26] rullwull : i see, but profit is profit)
[2016-11-28 01:17:45] j8 : 3% premium at quoine
[2016-11-28 01:18:36] j8 : converts to $750
[2016-11-28 01:26:10] laisee : monday dumbf question: what is a UBI?
[2016-11-28 01:28:07] Rado : j8: 3% premium on what?
[2016-11-28 01:28:13] j8 : on btc
[2016-11-28 01:28:29] rapidtrades : j8: shut up
[2016-11-28 01:28:38] j8 : rapidtrades: ooh fiesty today
[2016-11-28 01:29:48] Rado : j8: are you running an MM bot?
[2016-11-28 01:30:08] Rado : you were second place on that contest
[2016-11-28 01:30:56] Rado : j8: I am taking you out for beers
[2016-11-28 01:31:00] Rado : when is a good day?
[2016-11-28 01:31:16] rapidtrades : j8: is that premium recent?
[2016-11-28 01:31:33] Rado : rapidtrades: I guess it's because of the USDJPY fall
[2016-11-28 01:31:54] Rado : going to take a shower
[2016-11-28 01:31:58] Rado : later
[2016-11-28 01:32:09] rapidtrades : no that's would make it BTC/JPY weaker
[2016-11-28 01:33:26] j8 : rapidtrades: it rose from around 1% to 2% and stayed there for a week or so, and today it rose over 3% as it hasn't corrected for the move in jpy
[2016-11-28 01:34:06] rapidtrades : right cos they shit currency s weaking too
[2016-11-28 01:34:19] j8 : Rado: any day when btc isn't moving is good for me, but we can't predict that so basically any day :)
[2016-11-28 01:34:52] rapidtrades : dam...can i buy ur bot?
[2016-11-28 01:35:33] j8 : that was about beers, not bots
[2016-11-28 01:38:15] rapidtrades : PBOC sets daily yuan midpoint at 6.9042 vs 6.9170 prior
[2016-11-28 01:38:40] Rado : j8: he he, sounds good
[2016-11-28 01:38:48] Rado : I will ping you some day this week
[2016-11-28 01:39:00] Rado : right now BTC not moving much
[2016-11-28 01:39:22] j8 : sure sounds good. yeah i see another week or two of chop at least
[2016-11-28 01:41:08] Rado : Up To Eight Italian Banks May Fail If Renzi Loses Referendum
[2016-11-28 01:42:07] rapidtrades : lol btce flash crashed $7
[2016-11-28 01:42:22] rapidtrades : $5.2
[2016-11-28 01:47:06] rapidtrades : what changed did bitmex make to tthe JPY futures?
[2016-11-28 01:47:13] rapidtrades : after that crash
[2016-11-28 01:48:46] micmix : rapidtrades: marked to last price now
[2016-11-28 01:48:48] lockhedge : rapidtrades: marking method changed to LastPriceProtected, but it doesn't change a lot
[2016-11-28 01:49:27] rapidtrades : and what does 'protected' do?
[2016-11-28 01:49:36] lockhedge : micmix: it's only the last price if it stays inside the price band, doesn't really protect from a flash crash
[2016-11-28 01:50:03] lockhedge : rapidtrades: https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/a-note-on-xbj-price-anomalies/
[2016-11-28 01:52:03] j8 : i still don't understand exactly when the band is updated
[2016-11-28 01:52:33] micmix : j8: my guess is on each mark price update
[2016-11-28 01:53:01] rapidtrades : and how often is that
[2016-11-28 01:53:02] j8 : but it's marked to last so that would be every trade?
[2016-11-28 01:53:42] micmix : not exactly every trade bc you can have several trades from one market order and only one mark price update
[2016-11-28 01:54:41] j8 : ok. i did see, for example, that today when XBJZ16 sold to 83485, the mark price only went to 84500 or so
[2016-11-28 01:55:54] j8 : that would have been one market order
[2016-11-28 01:56:57] micmix : yes, mark price stopped on the lower band
[2016-11-28 01:57:51] rapidtrades : now sharp moves in Yuan
[2016-11-28 01:58:17] rapidtrades : bloomberg is running 'China stealth tightening '
[2016-11-28 01:59:03] mjones : Xbtz16 someone exiting into this rally
[2016-11-28 02:01:07] mjones : Only $10 higher
[2016-11-28 02:02:54] mjones : 200,000 contracts opened on xbtz16 just now
[2016-11-28 02:03:01] Dtrade16 : long?
[2016-11-28 02:03:09] habibi : :D
[2016-11-28 02:03:22] j8 : :)
[2016-11-28 02:04:29] mjones : Some people taking positions. Xbtz16 open contracts may over take swap
[2016-11-28 02:04:44] Dtrade16 : someone bought 200k long you mean?
[2016-11-28 02:05:26] mjones : Total number of open contracts went up that much
[2016-11-28 02:05:46] mjones : 500,000 behind swap now.
[2016-11-28 02:06:13] Newmex : more people realizing xbtz is better because no big funding fee perhaps
[2016-11-28 02:06:27] j8 : 440k contracts volume in 10 mins
[2016-11-28 02:07:40] Dtrade16 : Wow
[2016-11-28 02:07:46] Dtrade16 : That's a long contract correct?
[2016-11-28 02:07:54] Dtrade16 : Sorry for noobness
[2016-11-28 02:08:29] j8 : close to 600 btc
[2016-11-28 02:08:46] j8 : Dtrade16: what's a long contract
[2016-11-28 02:08:59] Dtrade16 : people are opening up long positions I mean?
[2016-11-28 02:09:00] micmix : Dtrade16: settles on Dec. 30
[2016-11-28 02:09:01] habibi : Dtrade16: i will redirect that question to our expert, the sleger
[2016-11-28 02:09:12] Dtrade16 : That's what I'm asking
[2016-11-28 02:09:19] Dtrade16 : Ok
[2016-11-28 02:11:31] rapidtrades : only 7% discount on ZEC...sweet
[2016-11-28 02:27:11] Rado : XBTZ16 premium only $12
[2016-11-28 02:27:26] Rado : I expect it to go up to $30 once BTC start moving
[2016-11-28 02:28:25] Rado : so a good trade will be buy XBTZ16 long, short XBTUSD
[2016-11-28 02:28:37] Rado : once the premium goes up close both trades
[2016-11-28 02:28:52] rapidtrades : what if it doesn't go up?
[2016-11-28 02:28:54] Rado : if the funding was positive during the move you make from that as well
[2016-11-28 02:29:13] Rado : if it doesn't go up you should not lose
[2016-11-28 02:29:19] Rado : well in theory
[2016-11-28 02:29:23] Rado : you could lose a little
[2016-11-28 02:29:39] Rado : with slipage on trades as well as funding if it goes the wrong way
[2016-11-28 02:29:54] Rado : but funding has been positive 90% of the time
[2016-11-28 02:31:24] Rado : rapidtrades: poke holes in my strategy
[2016-11-28 02:31:41] tb : nothing happens until expiry
[2016-11-28 02:31:46] tb : you lose 13 bucks of premium
[2016-11-28 02:32:03] Rado : tb: why would you hold that long?
[2016-11-28 02:32:11] j8 : long quarterly / short swap is great when an uptrend is getting started. works a lot better when there's more time left though.
[2016-11-28 02:32:25] Rado : I promise you BTC will move one way or another way before then
[2016-11-28 02:32:30] tb : you don't know that
[2016-11-28 02:32:33] Rado : j8: agree
[2016-11-28 02:32:41] j8 : only a month left, the clock is ticking, and a new quarterly will get all the fomo premium
[2016-11-28 02:33:41] Rado : j8: by the way I was going to ask BitMEX if they can create quarterly one month early
[2016-11-28 02:33:47] Rado : for me it makes a lot more sense
[2016-11-28 02:34:02] Rado : so March should come on Dec 1
[2016-11-28 02:34:28] Rado : I know they will say, but people will move to March and not trade Dec
[2016-11-28 02:34:34] Rado : I don't think that is true
[2016-11-28 02:34:52] j8 : yeah, i think two weeks before settlement is fine. that's what okc does
[2016-11-28 02:35:08] Rado : 2 weeks could work as well
[2016-11-28 02:35:33] Rado : you can even trade spreads during that time
[2016-11-28 02:35:47] lockhedge : Rado: "BitMEX_Arthur : CapitalGains: yes XBTH17 will list 2 weeks prior to the settlement of XBTZ16"
[2016-11-28 02:36:10] Rado : lockhedge: Ha, thanks
[2016-11-28 02:36:13] Newmex : what is xbth?
[2016-11-28 02:36:15] Rado : did not see this obviously
[2016-11-28 02:36:37] Newmex : i know only xbtusd and xbtz
[2016-11-28 02:36:48] j8 : Newmex: the next quarterly contract, which settles in march
[2016-11-28 02:36:56] Newmex : oh ok
[2016-11-28 02:37:07] Rado : Newmex: they pick letters at random it seems
[2016-11-28 02:37:21] Rado : j8: any rime or reason behind the H?
[2016-11-28 02:37:25] j8 : the letters are standard month codes for futures
[2016-11-28 02:37:33] Rado : they are?
[2016-11-28 02:37:38] j8 : yep
[2016-11-28 02:37:46] lockhedge : yes, http://www.cmegroup.com/month-codes.html
[2016-11-28 02:37:51] Rado : had no idea that H is March
[2016-11-28 02:38:36] Rado : lockhedge: thanks man
[2016-11-28 02:38:49] Rado : I remember stock options were using something like that
[2016-11-28 02:39:01] Rado : did not pay attention to the codes
[2016-11-28 02:40:01] rullwull : the most stupid thing with the code is to call BTC XBT
[2016-11-28 02:40:30] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes H17 will expire on the last friday of march
[2016-11-28 02:40:48] BitMEX_Arthur : We are also working on XBC future which will be pure XBT/CNY
[2016-11-28 02:40:53] BitMEX_Arthur : hopefully will have that live very soon
[2016-11-28 02:40:53] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: So you are changing to that as well?
[2016-11-28 02:41:00] Rado : BTC is 24H market
[2016-11-28 02:41:03] Rado : why Friday?
[2016-11-28 02:41:09] BitMEX_Arthur : That's when it expires
[2016-11-28 02:41:18] BitMEX_Arthur : It trades 24/7 up until the expiry date
[2016-11-28 02:41:22] BitMEX_Arthur : just like all of our other futures
[2016-11-28 02:41:30] Rado : so March 31 is Friday?
[2016-11-28 02:41:31] Rado : ok
[2016-11-28 02:41:40] BitMEX_Arthur : not sure don't have a calendar in front of me
[2016-11-28 02:42:09] Rado : Yep
[2016-11-28 02:42:18] Newmex : BitMEX_Arthur: what happens on xbtz16 expiry date if you have an open position? your unrealized p/l becomes realized?
[2016-11-28 02:42:27] Newmex : or do you need to close
[2016-11-28 02:42:38] Rado : Newmex: it settles
[2016-11-28 02:42:49] Newmex : ok
[2016-11-28 02:42:50] Rado : you can call it closing the possition
[2016-11-28 02:42:56] Newmex : ty
[2016-11-28 02:43:13] Rado : you get charged a fee for that as well
[2016-11-28 02:43:49] Newmex : yea but im sure its not a huge one like the funding fee on perpetual swap can be lol
[2016-11-28 02:44:41] Rado : Newmex: 0.05%
[2016-11-28 02:45:03] Newmex : not bad
[2016-11-28 02:45:25] Rado : Trading fees are the best BitMEX feature imo
[2016-11-28 02:45:39] Newmex : like funding fees? i hate them
[2016-11-28 02:45:45] Newmex : thats why i only use xbtz
[2016-11-28 02:45:54] Rado : funding fee is fine
[2016-11-28 02:46:49] j8 : trading fees are higher than their competitors, low fees aren't the reason people trade here
[2016-11-28 02:47:11] Rado : j8: who has lower fees?
[2016-11-28 02:47:17] rapidtrades : okc for me
[2016-11-28 02:47:20] rapidtrades : for one
[2016-11-28 02:47:25] j8 : okc, bitvc
[2016-11-28 02:47:33] j8 : i think bitvc is same as okc?
[2016-11-28 02:47:35] Rado : how much if you know?
[2016-11-28 02:47:46] rapidtrades : 0.03% for okc, open/close
[2016-11-28 02:47:49] j8 : 0.03% to open, free to close
[2016-11-28 02:48:17] rapidtrades : there are no maker rebates tho
[2016-11-28 02:48:48] Rado : right
[2016-11-28 02:49:12] Rado : @j8, @rapidtrades: which one do you think it's better?
[2016-11-28 02:49:23] j8 : in terms of fee structure?
[2016-11-28 02:49:23] Rado : okc or bitvc
[2016-11-28 02:49:25] rapidtrades : for me okc is better
[2016-11-28 02:49:26] j8 : oh
[2016-11-28 02:49:32] j8 : i don't use bitvc
[2016-11-28 02:49:41] rapidtrades : oh...idk still haven't tried them either
[2016-11-28 02:50:00] j8 : i think bitvc is pure cny index
[2016-11-28 02:50:04] Rado : okc the USD site right?
[2016-11-28 02:50:10] Rado : or Chinese
[2016-11-28 02:50:23] rapidtrades : yeah okc.com
[2016-11-28 02:50:42] j8 : thewoodchipper.com
[2016-11-28 02:50:52] Rado : I have an account there, but never funded
[2016-11-28 02:52:27] j8 : they have their issues, i trade there but i wish i didn't have to
[2016-11-28 02:52:33] mjones : Nice xbt/cny soon.
[2016-11-28 02:52:37] Newmex : i dont use okc but i moved here from bitfinex. i like this futures better. and bitfinex usd funding fee is too high now. 0.1%. and less liquid than it was before their hack
[2016-11-28 02:53:30] rapidtrades : bitfinex is spot, not futures
[2016-11-28 02:53:32] rapidtrades : it's also shit
[2016-11-28 02:53:35] mjones : Xbtz16 has a million more contacts open than 10 days ago. People are coming
[2016-11-28 02:53:38] Newmex : yep
[2016-11-28 02:53:48] shery : xbtz is attractive
[2016-11-28 02:54:28] Rado : j8: 1202 and 1209 on okc are both trading at $746. How does that make sense?
[2016-11-28 02:54:42] mjones : I'm pumped for the new one. 16 more days. Get in when it opens before premium goes up
[2016-11-28 02:54:51] Rado : is not worth shorting 1202 and longing 1209
[2016-11-28 02:54:56] rapidtrades : Rado: their exchange rate is wacked
[2016-11-28 02:55:10] Rado : rapidtrades: what do you mean?
[2016-11-28 02:55:26] rapidtrades : check the exchange rate on the page ur looking
[2016-11-28 02:55:48] rapidtrades : 1USD=6.8682CNY
[2016-11-28 02:56:11] rapidtrades : market 6.9017
[2016-11-28 02:56:16] j8 : Rado: they do a really dumb thing.. to try to avoid volatility in USD/CNY affecting bitcoin traders they use a 2 week average of the exchange rate to calculate the index, and it's updated every week
[2016-11-28 02:56:59] Rado : I thought this is a USD exchange
[2016-11-28 02:57:07] rapidtrades : no their index is 50/50
[2016-11-28 02:57:23] Rado : contract prices are in USD
[2016-11-28 02:57:24] j8 : the index is 6 exchanges, 3 usd 3 cny (converted to usd with their bad rate)
[2016-11-28 02:57:25] rullwull : i always switch CNY in okc
[2016-11-28 02:57:27] rapidtrades : so in reality, that biweekly is trading at a discount right now
[2016-11-28 02:57:40] j8 : rapidtrades: wrong again
[2016-11-28 02:58:18] Rado : OK, tell me what will happen between now and Dec 2
[2016-11-28 02:58:22] Rado : for both futures
[2016-11-28 02:58:28] Rado : or what could happen
[2016-11-28 02:58:59] rapidtrades : j8: right it's at premium
[2016-11-28 02:59:00] Rado : lets say BTC is at $760 on Dec 2
[2016-11-28 02:59:43] Rado : shouldn't Dec 9 have a similar premium to what Dec 2 has now
[2016-11-28 02:59:52] j8 : this week will settle higher than it should based on current exchange rates. next week will settle with a different exchange rate, which will make the index lower, but still not as low as it should be
[2016-11-28 03:00:47] Rado : but I still think you will be net positive if you short Dec 2 and go long Dec 9
[2016-11-28 03:00:48] rapidtrades : okc is stupid
[2016-11-28 03:01:07] Rado : I should try it
[2016-11-28 03:01:14] rapidtrades : Rado: you'll be buying dec9 at premium
[2016-11-28 03:01:30] j8 : Rado: it's negative carry
[2016-11-28 03:01:36] Rado : rapidtrades: of course
[2016-11-28 03:01:49] rapidtrades : i mean much higher premium then the $1 u see
[2016-11-28 03:01:50] j8 : but it can win if all rates go up
[2016-11-28 03:02:00] Rado : right
[2016-11-28 03:03:28] Rado : they still have the max price thing
[2016-11-28 03:03:42] j8 : also if yuan devalues this week, then next week will also settle artificially high
[2016-11-28 03:03:42] Rado : Max Price: 777.87
[2016-11-28 03:04:09] rapidtrades : Rado: where do u see that
[2016-11-28 03:04:10] j8 : those are just short term circuit breakers
[2016-11-28 03:04:27] rapidtrades : oh yeah in the orders panel
[2016-11-28 03:04:54] Rado : j8: they move with the price?
[2016-11-28 03:05:36] j8 : yep, and they adjust maybe every 5 or 10 seconds. they had an actual limit on the premium of the quarterly for a while before
[2016-11-28 03:06:08] rapidtrades : still better then actual limit on the price
[2016-11-28 03:08:05] Rado : what are the buttons 10%, 20%, 50%, 100%?
[2016-11-28 03:09:24] j8 : it fills the order controls with as much as you can buy with 10% of your account, etc.
[2016-11-28 03:09:37] rapidtrades : i want to code a customizable mm bot
[2016-11-28 03:09:40] chaunceylee : 799.99
[2016-11-28 03:10:08] Rado : rapidtrades: me too
[2016-11-28 03:10:21] Rado : let's do ti
[2016-11-28 03:10:23] Rado : it
[2016-11-28 03:10:43] Rado : j8: do you program?
[2016-11-28 03:11:07] j8 : yep, well i hack things together and call it programming
[2016-11-28 03:11:18] Rado : ;-)
[2016-11-28 03:11:24] Rado : most developers do that
[2016-11-28 03:11:37] j8 : yeah i get that sense. it's a useful skill
[2016-11-28 03:11:48] rapidtrades : im still at lesson 25....i was gonna ask how much do i have to know before im able to do that
[2016-11-28 03:12:08] Rado : rapidtrades: lesson 25?
[2016-11-28 03:12:09] Rado : lol
[2016-11-28 03:12:14] Rado : you just need me
[2016-11-28 03:12:17] rapidtrades : of that stupid book
[2016-11-28 03:12:18] j8 : python the hard way?
[2016-11-28 03:12:23] rapidtrades : yeah
[2016-11-28 03:12:30] Rado : forget about books
[2016-11-28 03:12:37] Rado : the best way to learn is code
[2016-11-28 03:12:44] Rado : if you don't know something google it
[2016-11-28 03:13:30] rapidtrades : i tried that with quantopian and didn't work :)
[2016-11-28 03:13:54] Rado : I haven't used python, but I am sure I can figure it out
[2016-11-28 03:15:07] j8 : it's pretty easy as far as languages go
[2016-11-28 03:15:23] rapidtrades : easy for u
[2016-11-28 03:15:43] Rado : rapidtrades: lets build one bot together
[2016-11-28 03:15:56] Rado : I am lending myself to you for free
[2016-11-28 03:16:01] j8 : easy for you too, compared to C for example
[2016-11-28 03:16:23] Rado : j8: true
[2016-11-28 03:16:58] rapidtrades : Rado: ok let's do it
[2016-11-28 03:17:06] Rado : sure
[2016-11-28 03:17:58] Rado : rapidtrades: I actually have a Digital Ocean VPS that I haven't killed with Python and everything
[2016-11-28 03:18:15] Rado : even has gekko installed and a connection to BitMEX
[2016-11-28 03:18:55] rapidtrades : have u looked at this https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker
[2016-11-28 03:19:03] Rado : yes
[2016-11-28 03:19:30] j8 : can get <1 ms away from bitmex if you use AWS in ireland, FYI
[2016-11-28 03:19:39] rapidtrades : tnx
[2016-11-28 03:19:55] Rado : j8: cool
[2016-11-28 03:20:02] Rado : are they on AWS?
[2016-11-28 03:20:06] j8 : yep
[2016-11-28 03:20:31] j8 : that's why the bots are so fast
[2016-11-28 03:20:57] rapidtrades : mofos
[2016-11-28 03:21:22] j8 : colo pro bono, mofo
[2016-11-28 03:23:58] rapidtrades : j8: what about okc?
[2016-11-28 03:30:22] j8 : that's not as easy
[2016-11-28 03:31:16] j8 : it's hard to maintain a good connection to okc.cn from outside of china
[2016-11-28 03:32:57] j8 : .com is better, but still not awesome
[2016-11-28 03:34:15] Rado : j8: so you can't run a bot with okc?
[2016-11-28 03:35:32] j8 : sure you can, you just have to deal with their crappy api and connectivity issues
[2016-11-28 03:38:08] j8 : i tried running a bot on the okc.cn, cause zero fees so why not.. i gave up because i kept getting disconnected from the websocket at critical times
[2016-11-28 03:38:43] j8 : you need a VPS in mainland china
[2016-11-28 03:38:50] Rado : no fees is not worth if you lose because of connectivity
[2016-11-28 03:39:04] Rado : Honk Kong wouldn't work?
[2016-11-28 03:40:34] j8 : don't think so, well the issue is the china firewall, i think hong kong is on the outside
[2016-11-28 03:43:07] Rado : http://www.sinohosting.net/china-vps.php
[2016-11-28 03:43:18] Rado : https://compevo.cn/
[2016-11-28 03:43:55] Rado : wow
[2016-11-28 03:44:01] Rado : these are pretty good prices
[2016-11-28 03:44:02] Rado : 5GB HDD 128MB RAM 1 IP Address Unmetered Bandwidth
[2016-11-28 03:44:08] Rado : for $30 per month
[2016-11-28 03:44:30] j8 : 128 megs of ram, wow
[2016-11-28 03:44:46] Rado : I thought it's 128 GB RAM
[2016-11-28 03:45:06] Rado : 128 MB sucks
[2016-11-28 03:45:15] j8 : yeah that could be an issue
[2016-11-28 03:45:58] Rado : $600/month Intel Core i3-2100 (4 logical cores) 4GB DD3 RAM 500GB SATA/128GB SSD HDD 100M Dedicated Bandwidth 1 IP Address
[2016-11-28 03:46:10] Rado : that's better, but costs $600
[2016-11-28 03:49:12] Rado : Bitstamp lagging
[2016-11-28 03:52:10] micmix : j8: okc.cn websocket is overloaded and disconnects a lot. FIX works better even from outside of mainland
[2016-11-28 03:52:31] Rado : FIX?
[2016-11-28 03:52:50] j8 : yeah, i've tried the FIX endpoint since then, and had other issues.
[2016-11-28 03:53:20] micmix : Rado: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Information_eXchange
[2016-11-28 03:54:18] Rado : micmix: they have a FIX feed?
[2016-11-28 03:55:27] j8 : micmix: do you get a proper realtime orderbook through FIX? that's the issue i had
[2016-11-28 03:57:29] rapidtrades : if bitcoin plans to roll over, today is the day
[2016-11-28 03:57:56] j8 : like they try to send deltas for like a 20 level book, and it doesn't always keep up
[2016-11-28 04:07:30] lockhedge : Rado: i'm running my bot on a 512mb ram vps and the only database i use is Redis (in-memory). simple mm strategies don't require much ram
[2016-11-28 04:08:09] Rado : lockhedge: very nice
[2016-11-28 04:08:16] Rado : what do you store in the database?
[2016-11-28 04:12:44] lockhedge : Rado: only some near real-time data (e.g. price data from various markets), order id's of my open orders...
[2016-11-28 04:18:16] j8 : yeah i checked and my python thing is only using 40MB ram.. with a dozen markets coming in but no historical data
[2016-11-28 04:22:13] micmix : j8: yes but I'm not using deltas. I subscribe to SNAPSHOT_PLUS_UPDATES with MDUpdateType FULL_REFRESH and it send top 40 couple times per second
[2016-11-28 04:23:53] micmix : plus I request market data snapshot every 10 seconds to get more depth
[2016-11-28 04:25:55] micmix : their FIX implementation is a bit quirky but works well enough. I'm using FIX with REST as a backup.
[2016-11-28 04:29:01] micmix : they screwed up with SSL certificate last week, api.okc0in.cn was using certificate for api.okc0in.com for like a week. they fixed it couple days ago.
[2016-11-28 04:30:22] j8 : i see, yeah everything about them is a bit quirky
[2016-11-28 04:32:59] micmix : yeah, but you can do couple dozen trades per minute and build bigger positions quickly. no other market comes close except huobi and they are even more quirky ;-)
[2016-11-28 04:33:28] j8 : yep, liquidity is hard to beat
[2016-11-28 04:52:46] XBT_Saver : micmix: hey when you say "bigger positions" and "quickly" do you mind telling me how quickly and how big in btc terms please man?
[2016-11-28 05:06:56] j8 : on okc.cn you can typically buy or sell 100 btc within +/- 0.1% (http://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/exchanges/CNY/6m)
[2016-11-28 05:13:48] j8 : sorry that's +/- 0.05%, for a total of 0.1%
[2016-11-28 06:35:32] elmorte : Rado: you still there?
[2016-11-28 07:21:43] sisko : zec die
[2016-11-28 08:00:25] laisee : ZEC has died a few times already. like btc and eth
[2016-11-28 08:09:10] rms : and someone on bitmex is still running a buying bot for zec, so that's why the discount is gone
[2016-11-28 08:09:19] rms : they don't think it's dead...
[2016-11-28 08:10:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.00000928
[2016-11-28 08:10:40] BitMEX_Wally : rms: I owe you some troll box bragging rights
[2016-11-28 08:11:07] rms : ;) i'll take what i can get
[2016-11-28 08:12:43] BitMEX_Wally : During the BitMEX trading competition rms had a net PNL of 28 XBT and would have won the Yacht Club prize, but unfortunately he missed the deadline for authorising the release of his name
[2016-11-28 08:15:00] rapidtrades : that doesn't seem fair
[2016-11-28 08:16:34] Boontjie : rms: Think they will run it into a premium?
[2016-11-28 08:17:10] rapidtrades : rms: how do u know it's a bot? and is it sleger?
[2016-11-28 08:20:04] rms : cause i've been buying zec without a bot
[2016-11-28 08:20:33] rms : and they front load every order i make by the smallest amount
[2016-11-28 08:20:41] rms : unless the buy order is much above them
[2016-11-28 08:20:48] CapitalGains : Why not use hidden orders?
[2016-11-28 08:20:51] rms : i doubt they are dumb enough to run it to a premium
[2016-11-28 08:21:18] Boontjie : :( That would be free money
[2016-11-28 08:21:33] rms : yeah, that works, but it's hard to get liquidity for zcash, so flashing large orders gets the sellers to notice that there is someone with the matching sentiment
[2016-11-28 08:23:18] rapidtrades : Boontjie: oh yeah? just like selling at 66% was 'free money'?
[2016-11-28 08:23:27] rapidtrades : i mean buying
[2016-11-28 08:24:14] CapitalGains : My kingdom for some BTC movement.
[2016-11-28 08:26:34] rapidtrades : bitcoin holding up well considering Yuan rolling over
[2016-11-28 08:28:44] mjones : Damn btc didn't move up
[2016-11-28 08:31:36] rapidtrades : lol why would it move it? have u checked out usd/cnh chart?
[2016-11-28 08:35:32] Boontjie : rapidtrades: Its different, beacause I can buy the actual zec for a hedge
[2016-11-28 08:35:47] Boontjie : And unroll at settlement
[2016-11-28 08:36:40] rapidtrades : ah fair point
[2016-11-28 11:02:36] rapidtrades : Yuan lost almost all gains from last night
[2016-11-28 11:37:07] Boontjie : new ATH inc
[2016-11-28 11:38:47] jonny : roll over?
[2016-11-28 12:26:21] l3f : Fucking btc going sideways
[2016-11-28 12:26:25] l3f : making me want to fuck myself sideways
[2016-11-28 12:26:32] l3f : up or down motherfucker
[2016-11-28 12:50:02] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: mate how come the XBJ has the 30 dec first then weekly then Daily , how come they change around
[2016-11-28 12:59:48] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Thanks for letting us know, we'll fix that
[2016-11-28 13:00:40] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: np mate
[2016-11-28 13:06:42] Boontjie : l3f: cant believe that is still going around
[2016-11-28 13:25:18] rapidtrades : guys time to fomo a bit, next funding after this is projected negative
[2016-11-28 13:34:01] l3f : why call it bitcoin
[2016-11-28 13:34:03] l3f : call it upanddowncoin
[2016-11-28 13:34:14] CapitalGains : Or sideways coin today
[2016-11-28 13:34:18] l3f : it goes up and down
[2016-11-28 13:34:21] l3f : all it fucking does
[2016-11-28 13:35:13] l3f : top kek CNY just keep getting shat on
[2016-11-28 13:35:16] l3f : end its suffering
[2016-11-28 13:35:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 475 @ 0.005363
[2016-11-28 13:36:37] mjones : Rep new lows
[2016-11-28 13:38:02] l3f : man ZEC is the cancer that refuses to die
[2016-11-28 13:38:28] l3f : future is a approaching the premium price
[2016-11-28 13:38:36] l3f : people betting on another pump
[2016-11-28 13:38:46] Boontjie : mjones: Is rep not based on the eth blockchain?
[2016-11-28 13:39:31] l3f : apparently a gambling platform on ethereum
[2016-11-28 13:40:01] Boontjie : Thats why, eth is not running as expected lately
[2016-11-28 13:40:01] l3f : at this point I just want btc to crash back to 680
[2016-11-28 13:40:06] habibi : rapidtrades: did u get bet ready with that guy?
[2016-11-28 13:40:07] l3f : and I'll get liquidated
[2016-11-28 13:40:14] l3f : then at least I'll feel something
[2016-11-28 13:40:22] rapidtrades : habibi: he hasn't been back
[2016-11-28 13:40:30] rapidtrades : pussied out I guess
[2016-11-28 13:40:30] CapitalGains : l3f: I'm in a similar boat except I'll get liquidated at 720
[2016-11-28 13:40:32] Boontjie : Dont think it will
[2016-11-28 13:40:55] Boontjie : but possible
[2016-11-28 13:41:12] habibi : rapidtrades: yep, he was scared already after we both agreed to that bet
[2016-11-28 13:43:35] l3f : CapitalGains: aye aye brother
[2016-11-28 13:58:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 30000 @ 736.73
[2016-11-28 13:58:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 500 @ 737.94
[2016-11-28 13:59:10] rapidtrades : omg
[2016-11-28 14:01:00] Boontjie : holy crap
[2016-11-28 14:01:01] Boontjie : 100x
[2016-11-28 14:02:42] mjones : damn wish i saw that 30k rekt wall at 736.73 to long into
[2016-11-28 14:02:48] CapitalGains : Finally, a little bit of excitement
[2016-11-28 14:07:52] CapitalGains : Anyone with experience on how close a stop loss should be to a liquidation price to be "safe", so it triggers first?
[2016-11-28 14:08:02] CapitalGains : Or should I say, how far away.
[2016-11-28 14:08:40] BitMEX_Greg : CapitalGains: Hard to say, just leave enough room for fast gaps. Essentially you w
[2016-11-28 14:09:02] rapidtrades : laaaaaag
[2016-11-28 14:09:09] BitMEX_Greg : *you want the stop loss to fill if market is moving fast and if one side quickly becomes thin
[2016-11-28 14:09:52] sleger : that's precisely his question : how much is that
[2016-11-28 14:11:26] BitMEX_Greg : I can't give an exact number as you can't predict what the market would be like.
[2016-11-28 14:11:26] CapitalGains : I mean, lets just say my trigger is set to mark and it's $2 above my liquidation price on XBTZ16, is that too close? I obviously accept the consequences of whatever happens regardless. I just thought some people might know from experience.
[2016-11-28 14:11:53] rapidtrades : prolly too close for my taste
[2016-11-28 14:11:56] sleger : you should ask trollboxer, he has great experience
[2016-11-28 14:12:33] arbitrage001 : should not over leverage
[2016-11-28 14:12:49] arbitrage001 : or bet lunch money
[2016-11-28 14:12:57] arbitrage001 : breakfast money is ok
[2016-11-28 14:13:48] CapitalGains : This is breakfast money
[2016-11-28 14:14:27] arbitrage001 : price here can become very irrational
[2016-11-28 14:14:27] CapitalGains : Last trade for the year, thought I'd make it high leverage but small amount of capital.
[2016-11-28 14:15:16] CapitalGains : Has anyone ever seen a discount on XBTZ16?
[2016-11-28 14:15:26] CapitalGains : Cos we came quite close to parity with swap
[2016-11-28 14:15:40] arbitrage001 : it is a new product
[2016-11-28 14:15:57] arbitrage001 : backwardation on btc is rare on okcoin
[2016-11-28 14:17:17] arbitrage001 : on a strong bear down trend, it will happen
[2016-11-28 14:17:39] arbitrage001 : which become likely as btc keep going up
[2016-11-28 14:18:02] CapitalGains : I think XBTH17 is going to be an interesting product
[2016-11-28 14:18:40] arbitrage001 : you plan to do spread trading?
[2016-11-28 14:19:14] arbitrage001 : sleger should give you some tips as i am sure he does it here
[2016-11-28 14:19:28] CapitalGains : Between the two futures?
[2016-11-28 14:19:34] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-11-28 14:19:44] CapitalGains : I like the sound of that
[2016-11-28 14:20:03] arbitrage001 : the last few dump
[2016-11-28 14:20:09] arbitrage001 : there are plenty of opportunity
[2016-11-28 14:20:17] rapidtrades : $8 premium is not good
[2016-11-28 14:20:18] arbitrage001 : but using hand to trade is too slow lol
[2016-11-28 14:20:26] arbitrage001 : need algo to manage the speed
[2016-11-28 14:21:40] rapidtrades : bitcoin so dumb
[2016-11-28 14:22:11] arbitrage001 : there is no dumb trading instruments
[2016-11-28 14:22:15] arbitrage001 : only dump traders
[2016-11-28 14:22:21] arbitrage001 : dumb
[2016-11-28 14:25:04] rapidtrades : well f*ck you too buddy!
[2016-11-28 14:25:13] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-11-28 14:25:20] arbitrage001 : you need to control emotion
[2016-11-28 14:25:34] arbitrage001 : ask arthur for yoga lesson
[2016-11-28 14:26:02] arbitrage001 : i just came back from jogging
[2016-11-28 14:26:09] arbitrage001 : my way to control emotion
[2016-11-28 14:28:46] rapidtrades : who are all these ppl that buy on Cyber Monday?
[2016-11-28 14:28:59] rapidtrades : there's almost nothing good
[2016-11-28 14:29:09] rapidtrades : some TVs and SD cards
[2016-11-28 14:29:13] arbitrage001 : i ordered a dell
[2016-11-28 14:29:17] arbitrage001 : desktop
[2016-11-28 14:29:31] arbitrage001 : using reshipping company
[2016-11-28 14:29:34] rapidtrades : did u get a discount?
[2016-11-28 14:29:38] arbitrage001 : yea
[2016-11-28 14:29:45] arbitrage001 : around 750 dollars
[2016-11-28 14:29:49] arbitrage001 : core i7
[2016-11-28 14:30:15] arbitrage001 : and amd graphic card
[2016-11-28 14:30:21] arbitrage001 : good price i think
[2016-11-28 14:30:21] rapidtrades : yeah desktops are cheap now, basically free
[2016-11-28 14:30:34] arbitrage001 : can use it for at least 3-5 years
[2016-11-28 14:31:24] rapidtrades : what was ur previous setup?
[2016-11-28 14:31:37] arbitrage001 : this dell laptop
[2016-11-28 14:31:43] arbitrage001 : 5-6 years old
[2016-11-28 14:31:54] arbitrage001 : keyboard already starting to break down
[2016-11-28 14:32:05] arbitrage001 : hence all the typo you saw from me
[2016-11-28 14:33:51] rapidtrades : u like Dell huh?
[2016-11-28 14:34:03] arbitrage001 : for the price
[2016-11-28 14:34:06] rapidtrades : they take bitcoin?
[2016-11-28 14:34:20] arbitrage001 : yes you can pay with btc
[2016-11-28 14:34:24] arbitrage001 : they use bitpay
[2016-11-28 14:34:31] arbitrage001 : so cheaper to use credit card
[2016-11-28 14:34:43] arbitrage001 : if i am filthy rich, i will buy apple
[2016-11-28 14:34:47] arbitrage001 : not dell
[2016-11-28 14:35:04] rapidtrades : ugh apple
[2016-11-28 14:35:20] arbitrage001 : high quality product from apple
[2016-11-28 14:35:30] arbitrage001 : not just fashion hype
[2016-11-28 14:35:37] rapidtrades : overpriced garbage for chicks and other people who are clueless about computers
[2016-11-28 14:35:51] arbitrage001 : dont agree lol
[2016-11-28 14:36:06] arbitrage001 : product quality and services are good
[2016-11-28 14:36:17] arbitrage001 : but for the price, yeah, i rather buy dell
[2016-11-28 14:42:54] sleger : apple best hardware, but yes it comes with a price
[2016-11-28 14:45:45] arbitrage001 : for good smart phone, there are really no other choice but iphone
[2016-11-28 14:46:03] arbitrage001 : airline already starting to ban samsung phone
[2016-11-28 14:46:05] rapidtrades : sleger: do u need sitting down?
[2016-11-28 14:46:28] rapidtrades : I meant to type, do u pee sitting down feg?
[2016-11-28 14:50:36] mjones : doesnt everyone pee sitting down?
[2016-11-28 14:51:07] mjones : unless you're at a urinal
[2016-11-28 14:51:36] mjones : but even then you might have a shy bladder and go for the toilet instead.