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[2016-11-27 20:12:59] rapidtrades : what's going on fellas?
[2016-11-27 20:14:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2400 @ 0.001056
[2016-11-27 20:16:16] wurstgelee : waiting for btc's move up
[2016-11-27 20:17:58] rapidtrades : or down amirite?
[2016-11-27 20:18:12] aabtc : REEE
[2016-11-27 20:18:20] wurstgelee : aabtc: wb
[2016-11-27 20:18:50] aabtc : nothign just chilling and farming zerotrash
[2016-11-27 20:19:08] wurstgelee : youre the guy buying up sub .08 right?
[2016-11-27 20:19:24] wurstgelee : you are one of my suspects ;)
[2016-11-27 20:19:44] rapidtrades : wow discount now at 15% only
[2016-11-27 20:20:22] wurstgelee : also someone seems dedicated to putting up asks there
[2016-11-27 20:20:48] rapidtrades : prolly the same moron that got MC few days ago
[2016-11-27 20:20:58] wurstgelee : trollboxer is done here
[2016-11-27 20:21:02] wurstgelee : its not him
[2016-11-27 20:21:17] rapidtrades : what does 'he's done' mean?
[2016-11-27 20:21:24] rapidtrades : he's dead? caput?
[2016-11-27 20:21:34] wurstgelee : held some speech, wished farewell and left
[2016-11-27 20:21:45] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-11-27 20:21:54] rapidtrades : he'll be back
[2016-11-27 20:22:02] wurstgelee : maybe, but not so soon i guess
[2016-11-27 20:22:06] rapidtrades : if he held a speech he'll be back lol
[2016-11-27 20:22:20] rapidtrades : around what time did this transpire?
[2016-11-27 20:22:26] Tetsuo : 400BTC loss hurts a few days i guess
[2016-11-27 20:22:29] wurstgelee : the day of the rewards
[2016-11-27 20:22:43] imabeast : wurstgelee: that was me closing my short haha
[2016-11-27 20:22:43] wurstgelee : that evening iirc
[2016-11-27 20:22:45] wurstgelee : utc
[2016-11-27 20:22:51] wurstgelee : imabeast: haha :D
[2016-11-27 20:22:54] wurstgelee : k ;)
[2016-11-27 20:23:08] wurstgelee : still, someone likes to open some there
[2016-11-27 20:23:10] rapidtrades : Thursday?
[2016-11-27 20:23:18] imabeast : ya i may open long soon
[2016-11-27 20:23:30] wurstgelee : started @ .085
[2016-11-27 20:23:32] wurstgelee : small
[2016-11-27 20:24:09] wurstgelee : waiting for a decent dump now to ad more
[2016-11-27 20:24:11] wurstgelee : *add
[2016-11-27 20:26:53] rapidtrades : bitcoin can't stop, won't stop
[2016-11-27 20:49:00] habibi : wurstgelee: 18k coins will be released tomorrow?
[2016-11-27 20:51:28] jung1 : when we go long on eth?
[2016-11-27 20:51:31] jung1 : 0.008?
[2016-11-27 20:51:57] jung1 : habibi: gratz for winning trolbox award
[2016-11-27 20:51:58] mjones : eth ripp
[2016-11-27 20:52:01] habibi : jung1: when sleger says its not longer 1y invesment
[2016-11-27 20:52:03] jung1 : again?
[2016-11-27 20:52:36] jung1 : btw any german here?
[2016-11-27 20:58:23] Shaman : nein
[2016-11-27 21:01:39] sleger : kein
[2016-11-27 21:07:22] RoftheN : Nein
[2016-11-27 21:07:54] sleger : eth looks bullish
[2016-11-27 21:08:38] inconspic : sleger: lol
[2016-11-27 21:08:59] wurstgelee : nein, niemand
[2016-11-27 21:10:16] jung1 : https://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-Cologne/events/232687726/
[2016-11-27 21:10:41] wurstgelee : cant make it, no time
[2016-11-27 21:11:01] jung1 : I will go there
[2016-11-27 21:12:51] wurstgelee : xmr .....
[2016-11-27 21:12:52] wurstgelee : fishy
[2016-11-27 21:18:28] jung1 : I think to short zec
[2016-11-27 21:19:31] wurstgelee : gl
[2016-11-27 21:21:01] wurstgelee : habibi: perfect.
[2016-11-27 21:21:07] wurstgelee : i doubt they get dumped tho
[2016-11-27 21:22:10] habibi : wurstgelee: perfect price, time is not on the side of price, 3x times supply in month, u really expect that zcash will be at these price longer or u just shilling ur pos?
[2016-11-27 21:22:24] wurstgelee : habibi: no
[2016-11-27 21:22:57] wurstgelee : i will do again what i have repeatedly done : long and ad incresing number of contracts on the way down
[2016-11-27 21:23:07] wurstgelee : *add increasing
[2016-11-27 21:23:18] habibi : wurstgelee: so u shilling ur pos :D
[2016-11-27 21:24:01] wurstgelee : if u like. its no secret tho, have been saying i am long for weeks
[2016-11-27 21:24:09] wurstgelee : everybody probably knows by now
[2016-11-27 21:25:00] habibi : i mean its obvious in crypto when sometimes is saying to go long on xyz that he has same position, but at the same time this is shilling right :p?
[2016-11-27 21:25:32] wurstgelee : yes ofc
[2016-11-27 21:25:41] habibi : great, so we can consensus
[2016-11-27 21:25:45] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-27 21:25:46] habibi : have *
[2016-11-27 21:26:01] wurstgelee : good. otherwise i'd just have hardforked reality
[2016-11-27 21:26:25] wurstgelee : you would have been the dead fork in case u wonder
[2016-11-27 21:26:32] habibi : it's not good for general stability!
[2016-11-27 21:26:45] wurstgelee : but two is better than one!
[2016-11-27 21:26:49] wurstgelee : also jesus etc
[2016-11-27 21:28:54] wurstgelee : come on buttcoin, u want it
[2016-11-27 21:35:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 500 @ 0.010978
[2016-11-27 21:35:49] mjones : xmr up up and away
[2016-11-27 21:36:17] Tetsuo : nothing can hold a great coin down forever
[2016-11-27 21:37:25] Tetsuo : quoting sleger here: "BTC=ETC=XMR=100$"
[2016-11-27 21:39:35] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-27 21:39:38] habibi : u forgot about dogecoin!
[2016-11-27 21:39:56] rapidtrades : <3
[2016-11-27 21:40:01] Tetsuo : habibi: i´m bullish since 2013, still have about 2 BTC worth
[2016-11-27 21:40:20] habibi : yea good bet for patient traders
[2016-11-27 21:40:33] Tetsuo : well it might be 1 BTC now. haven´t checked for a while
[2016-11-27 21:40:41] habibi : oh
[2016-11-27 21:40:45] sleger : how is that a good bet ?
[2016-11-27 21:41:07] Tetsuo : sleger: u wouldn´t see the future of crypto if it slaps you right in the face
[2016-11-27 21:41:21] habibi : sleger: grap new 3-6 months lows, dump on 40-50% bounce
[2016-11-27 21:41:28] Tetsuo : the people have spoken and they LOVE DOGE
[2016-11-27 21:42:05] sleger : DOGE Short -3900000.00000000 0.83302868
[2016-11-27 21:42:19] sleger : made almost 1 btc with that short (still open)
[2016-11-27 21:42:30] Tetsuo : sleger: bastard , hate shorter
[2016-11-27 21:43:14] Tetsuo : let DOGE fly
[2016-11-27 21:43:32] Tetsuo : WE the PEOPLE want it
[2016-11-27 21:43:33] sleger : ok i placed an order to close my short at 29
[2016-11-27 21:43:44] Tetsuo : sleger: :-)
[2016-11-27 21:44:50] Tetsuo : DOGE is probably the only coin that i never really hated
[2016-11-27 21:45:29] Tetsuo : beside my own "fonziecoin"
[2016-11-27 21:45:48] Tetsuo : which pumped hard 2-3 weeks ago
[2016-11-27 21:46:28] Tetsuo : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979296.msg16336874#msg16336874
[2016-11-27 21:46:57] rangle : i solomined two doge blocks on launch day, good times
[2016-11-27 21:47:49] habibi : wolong ;)
[2016-11-27 21:48:21] Tetsuo : habibi: was he the one wrote that manual who that PDF "godtrading" or something
[2016-11-27 21:48:38] Tetsuo : where he explained how to scam all noob altcointraders
[2016-11-27 21:49:19] habibi : wouldn't call that scamming but yea, pretty funny paper
[2016-11-27 21:49:47] Tetsuo : https://cryptofrenzy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/god.pdf here it is
[2016-11-27 21:50:20] Tetsuo : i liked it
[2016-11-27 21:51:11] rangle : no ZECZ16 trades in over an hour :\
[2016-11-27 21:55:16] Apocalyptic : rangle: you're welcome to make some
[2016-11-27 22:00:54] Tetsuo : who looks worse andreas antonopoulos or vitalik buterin, pretty hard contest imo?
[2016-11-27 22:01:16] sleger : :o
[2016-11-27 22:01:40] sleger : one is greek and hairy ...
[2016-11-27 22:01:58] Tetsuo : the other one has funny ears
[2016-11-27 22:08:43] sleger : spoke had funny ears
[2016-11-27 22:08:47] sleger : and he was awesome
[2016-11-27 22:08:54] sleger : what's your point
[2016-11-27 22:10:51] Tetsuo : to be honest i think vitalik is pretty smart while andreas is just a cultist
[2016-11-27 22:11:51] Tetsuo : still glad that i don´t look like dumbo
[2016-11-27 22:13:40] Tetsuo : without Vitlaik we wouldn´t have ETC, which is godly mana
[2016-11-27 22:14:02] Tetsuo : Eternal True Coin
[2016-11-27 22:18:10] wurstgelee : seriously, who is buying al that zec?
[2016-11-27 22:18:21] rapidtrades : Yuan opened little changed, Dollar slightly weaker
[2016-11-27 22:22:39] mjones : btc dumping
[2016-11-27 22:22:45] Tetsuo : IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD
[2016-11-27 22:23:05] rapidtrades : WE'RE ALL DEAD
[2016-11-27 22:23:07] Apocalyptic : wurstgelee: what did you do to zcash spot
[2016-11-27 22:23:14] Apocalyptic : it refuses to dumo
[2016-11-27 22:23:19] Apocalyptic : *dump
[2016-11-27 22:23:20] wurstgelee : Apocalyptic: dunno
[2016-11-27 22:23:27] wurstgelee : i am waiting for it too
[2016-11-27 22:23:34] wurstgelee : it just refuses to go down
[2016-11-27 22:24:33] rapidtrades : why do we have higher premium here then on okc december?
[2016-11-27 22:25:02] Tetsuo : check your math
[2016-11-27 22:25:17] Sasukeevil : btc crashed
[2016-11-27 22:25:50] rangle : 1% is a crash now?
[2016-11-27 22:26:17] sleger : 0.5%
[2016-11-27 22:27:06] orly : of course it's a crash, 199 more of these and we're at 0
[2016-11-27 22:27:29] Apocalyptic : orly: not really
[2016-11-27 22:27:35] sleger : orly: check your math
[2016-11-27 22:27:36] habibi : orly cant into math
[2016-11-27 22:27:56] sleger : habibi: check your english
[2016-11-27 22:28:04] orly : what's a math?
[2016-11-27 22:28:14] mjones : the dip i have been waiting for in btc. i wanna see huge rekts
[2016-11-27 22:28:35] rapidtrades : JONES JUST WANTS TO SEE THE WORLD BURN
[2016-11-27 22:28:39] Tetsuo : BTC looks like a known AIDS whore from Bangladesh, nobody want´s to touch it, cuz it´s sick
[2016-11-27 22:29:05] rapidtrades : that's oddly specific
[2016-11-27 22:29:23] sleger : Tetsuo: thats why you're going east asia this time ?
[2016-11-27 22:29:47] Tetsuo : :-(
[2016-11-27 22:30:23] mjones : Long xmr during btc dump
[2016-11-27 22:31:06] Tetsuo : mjones: +100
[2016-11-27 22:31:26] Tetsuo : it´s the only true alternative
[2016-11-27 22:31:58] Tetsuo : cryptos main real world usage is still black market activities
[2016-11-27 22:32:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 729.19
[2016-11-27 22:32:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 729.12
[2016-11-27 22:33:32] rapidtrades : i'm scared
[2016-11-27 22:33:49] Tetsuo : 80$ will hold , even in a margin call flash crash
[2016-11-27 22:36:20] wurstgelee : lol zec
[2016-11-27 22:36:28] martinium : BTC flush to 650
[2016-11-27 22:36:59] Boontjie : martinium: no way
[2016-11-27 22:37:02] rapidtrades : ZEC just jumps 10%...cos why not
[2016-11-27 22:37:21] martinium : Boontjie: thats why it'll happen since no one is expecting it
[2016-11-27 22:37:24] AudibleScience : martinium: lol you must be an "expert"
[2016-11-27 22:37:30] rapidtrades : time to pump this shit into premium guys, this is the only place offering margin to long
[2016-11-27 22:38:06] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: be my guest
[2016-11-27 22:38:44] sleger : his last trade is at a 500% premium
[2016-11-27 22:42:05] rapidtrades : sleger: smone needs ur wisdom here https://www.quora.com/unanswered/Why-cant-the-metal-detectors-detect-iron-in-my-blood
[2016-11-27 22:43:33] sleger : rapidtrades: i already told you, if you want to know something you can ask me directly
[2016-11-27 22:46:36] AudibleScience : rapidtrades: you're joking right?
[2016-11-27 22:49:14] wurstgelee : wtf
[2016-11-27 22:49:18] wurstgelee : bids 86600
[2016-11-27 22:49:21] wurstgelee : zec
[2016-11-27 22:49:31] wurstgelee : gone
[2016-11-27 22:49:49] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: wa
[2016-11-27 22:50:01] wurstgelee : i closed 20 into it
[2016-11-27 22:50:03] wurstgelee : in profit
[2016-11-27 22:50:20] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-11-27 22:50:26] rapidtrades : why would u close before moon
[2016-11-27 22:50:37] wurstgelee : i think i cann add back lower
[2016-11-27 22:50:42] wurstgelee : *-n
[2016-11-27 22:51:15] rapidtrades : u won'
[2016-11-27 22:51:22] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-27 23:17:03] ButchPooch : Is there any way to short ZEC on a level greater than 2?
[2016-11-27 23:19:14] Tetsuo : create antoher account
[2016-11-27 23:19:41] habibi : ButchPooch: u need to deposit more to be on higher level
[2016-11-27 23:20:10] ButchPooch : So I can get higher leverage if I get higher levels?
[2016-11-27 23:20:40] Tetsuo : u are green already , i don´t think there is a level above this
[2016-11-27 23:20:42] habibi : what level are u right now? if u passed level 3 then its easy way
[2016-11-27 23:22:02] Tetsuo : <--- level 14 troll
[2016-11-27 23:22:05] sleger : my level is like a 8 but it is on the side what does it mean ?
[2016-11-27 23:24:07] habibi : sleger: guess u stuck on boss fight, try to dodge him attacks with ulti
[2016-11-27 23:40:22] numero : is this game pay-to-play?
[2016-11-27 23:42:03] sleger : no, habibi is playing for free with his 2 btc he won for being a troll
[2016-11-27 23:43:15] numero : habibi is exceptional though
[2016-11-27 23:43:41] habibi : sleger: stop being jealous, it was only 2 btc, u loose way more on 5 minute candle@eth
[2016-11-27 23:43:53] ButchPooch : Is there any admin who can answer my question?
[2016-11-27 23:44:20] Tetsuo : this place is decentralized, no admins
[2016-11-27 23:44:21] sleger : admins are on a 3 months break
[2016-11-27 23:44:36] ButchPooch : Tetsuo:...
[2016-11-27 23:48:35] j8 : ButchPooch: since everyone else is being trolls.. yes 2x is the max leverage on zec
[2016-11-27 23:48:39] wurstgelee : bitmex became self aware on it's 2nd anniversary
[2016-11-27 23:48:52] ButchPooch : j8: ok, thank you
[2016-11-27 23:49:55] ButchPooch : I don't get how trolling on a crypto exchange can be fun...
[2016-11-27 23:50:04] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: god, i really love Terminator 2, watched it probably about 50x when i was a kid
[2016-11-27 23:50:11] wurstgelee : same
[2016-11-27 23:50:12] j8 : making money is way more fun
[2016-11-27 23:50:44] wurstgelee : both is best
[2016-11-27 23:50:46] numero : wurstgelee: you mean BitMEX machine-learns the traders behaviour and front-runs them now?
[2016-11-27 23:50:47] ButchPooch : I agree @j8
[2016-11-27 23:50:49] Tetsuo : ButchPooch: plz stop trolling
[2016-11-27 23:51:05] ButchPooch : Tetsuo: really funny
[2016-11-27 23:51:44] wurstgelee : numero: more as in no admins needed any more
[2016-11-27 23:51:47] wurstgelee : a t2 reference
[2016-11-27 23:51:55] wurstgelee : in case you didnt get it
[2016-11-27 23:51:57] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-27 23:52:12] wurstgelee : skynet ....
[2016-11-27 23:53:26] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: have u played the Terminator 2 game on 3(4)86 computer
[2016-11-27 23:53:55] Tetsuo : that harley driving level was fun
[2016-11-27 23:54:12] numero : wurstgelee: I see, i thought you were joking ;)
[2016-11-27 23:54:39] BitMEX_Sam : ButchPooch: Max ZEC leverage is 2x, you can see the contract specification for more details
[2016-11-27 23:54:42] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: ofc
[2016-11-27 23:54:44] BitMEX_Sam : Click the `More Details...` link in the sidebar
[2016-11-27 23:55:10] ButchPooch : BitMEX_Sam: Yes, got it now. Thank you. I was just curious
[2016-11-27 23:55:16] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Sam: plz stop trolling, this is serious
[2016-11-27 23:55:20] ButchPooch : And why is that 2x while bTC is 100x?
[2016-11-27 23:55:33] BitMEX_Sam : ButchPooch: Because ZEC depth is much thinner, and it's generally been much more volatile.
[2016-11-27 23:55:42] wurstgelee : but why?
[2016-11-27 23:55:44] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-11-27 23:55:50] BitMEX_Sam : Leverage is set recognizing these factors, as if it were too high, we'd see more liquidations and more deleveraging
[2016-11-27 23:56:04] BitMEX_Sam : Too much deleveraging could make a contract untradeable.
[2016-11-27 23:56:05] ButchPooch : BitMEX_Sam: I get it. Thank you very much
[2016-11-27 23:56:43] wurstgelee : och i'd like to have some 3x shorts in play
[2016-11-27 23:56:45] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-27 23:57:34] BitMEX_Sam : We may raise ZEC leverage for future expiries as it stabilizes.
[2016-11-27 23:57:56] wurstgelee : doesnt really make sense now
[2016-11-27 23:58:38] numero : I'd love to see zcrash be even zcrashier :)
[2016-11-27 23:58:51] wurstgelee : i doubt we will see arthur's prediction tbh
[2016-11-27 23:59:01] wurstgelee : what was it? .02? 0.015?
[2016-11-27 23:59:17] Tetsuo : "ButchPooch: I don't get how trolling on a crypto exchange can be fun... " my personal quote of the year
[2016-11-27 23:59:46] BitMEX_Sam : Never underestimate boredom on the Internet
[2016-11-28 00:01:39] Rado : wurstgelee: I am sure we will
[2016-11-28 00:01:58] wurstgelee : time will tell :)
[2016-11-28 00:02:11] Tetsuo : trolls will tell
[2016-11-28 00:02:19] Rado : that is for sure :-)
[2016-11-28 00:05:49] micmix : investors paid something like 0.024 for ZEC as far as I remember. it might get below but that level will be defended with lots of money
[2016-11-28 00:10:52] micmix : and I'm sure ZEC will be pumped when supply stabilizes a little, most likely using some positive news as a pretext
[2016-11-28 00:12:44] numero : I'm not sure of anything . . . that's why I lurk here
[2016-11-28 00:12:45] BitMEX_Sam : Personally I'd be surprised if it goes below investor levels, but I've been wrong before
[2016-11-28 00:16:35] micmix : yeah, most likely accumulation in 0.05-0.025 range before pumping
[2016-11-28 00:18:21] micmix : 'they' might wait for polo to add margin trading before pumping though
[2016-11-28 00:22:19] ButchPooch : I see a 0.02 before the pump
[2016-11-28 00:22:49] rapidtrades : you're all full of it
[2016-11-28 00:28:39] rapidtrades : ok dollar down, yuan up
[2016-11-28 00:28:53] rapidtrades : sizable moves for this time of day
[2016-11-28 00:36:10] QuantFocus : i have sizable moves at least once per day
[2016-11-28 00:36:19] QuantFocus : typically after my coffee
[2016-11-28 00:37:20] XBT_Saver : t's Monday morning in China now so btc to the moon soon no?
[2016-11-28 00:42:25] laisee : only if everyone starts buying now, pls help the monday pump all u can
[2016-11-28 00:53:10] rapidtrades : ok a sharp dollar selloff now
[2016-11-28 00:57:36] Rado : USDJPY -90 pips
[2016-11-28 01:02:12] rapidtrades : Rado: did u test out that options trading site/
[2016-11-28 01:02:25] Rado : no
[2016-11-28 01:05:07] Lord Rothschild : sorry
[2016-11-28 01:07:03] Rado : Lord Rothschild: hey bud
[2016-11-28 01:07:08] Rado : how is the empire?
[2016-11-28 01:07:54] rullwull : just fixed 2,2 btc profit from usdjpy short on simplefx
[2016-11-28 01:08:36] Rado : rullwull: nice
[2016-11-28 01:09:16] rullwull : still keep usdcad shorts
[2016-11-28 01:16:26] Lord Rothschild : So, what you guys think about a UBI distributed through a new crypto?
[2016-11-28 01:16:45] rapidtrades : rullwull: new lows for usdjpy
[2016-11-28 01:17:26] rullwull : i see, but profit is profit)
[2016-11-28 01:17:45] j8 : 3% premium at quoine
[2016-11-28 01:18:36] j8 : converts to $750
[2016-11-28 01:26:10] laisee : monday dumbf question: what is a UBI?
[2016-11-28 01:28:07] Rado : j8: 3% premium on what?
[2016-11-28 01:28:13] j8 : on btc
[2016-11-28 01:28:29] rapidtrades : j8: shut up
[2016-11-28 01:28:38] j8 : rapidtrades: ooh fiesty today
[2016-11-28 01:29:48] Rado : j8: are you running an MM bot?
[2016-11-28 01:30:08] Rado : you were second place on that contest
[2016-11-28 01:30:56] Rado : j8: I am taking you out for beers
[2016-11-28 01:31:00] Rado : when is a good day?
[2016-11-28 01:31:16] rapidtrades : j8: is that premium recent?
[2016-11-28 01:31:33] Rado : rapidtrades: I guess it's because of the USDJPY fall
[2016-11-28 01:31:54] Rado : going to take a shower
[2016-11-28 01:31:58] Rado : later
[2016-11-28 01:32:09] rapidtrades : no that's would make it BTC/JPY weaker
[2016-11-28 01:33:26] j8 : rapidtrades: it rose from around 1% to 2% and stayed there for a week or so, and today it rose over 3% as it hasn't corrected for the move in jpy
[2016-11-28 01:34:06] rapidtrades : right cos they shit currency s weaking too
[2016-11-28 01:34:19] j8 : Rado: any day when btc isn't moving is good for me, but we can't predict that so basically any day :)
[2016-11-28 01:34:52] rapidtrades : dam...can i buy ur bot?
[2016-11-28 01:35:33] j8 : that was about beers, not bots
[2016-11-28 01:38:15] rapidtrades : PBOC sets daily yuan midpoint at 6.9042 vs 6.9170 prior
[2016-11-28 01:38:40] Rado : j8: he he, sounds good
[2016-11-28 01:38:48] Rado : I will ping you some day this week
[2016-11-28 01:39:00] Rado : right now BTC not moving much
[2016-11-28 01:39:22] j8 : sure sounds good. yeah i see another week or two of chop at least
[2016-11-28 01:41:08] Rado : Up To Eight Italian Banks May Fail If Renzi Loses Referendum
[2016-11-28 01:42:07] rapidtrades : lol btce flash crashed $7
[2016-11-28 01:42:22] rapidtrades : $5.2
[2016-11-28 01:47:06] rapidtrades : what changed did bitmex make to tthe JPY futures?
[2016-11-28 01:47:13] rapidtrades : after that crash
[2016-11-28 01:48:46] micmix : rapidtrades: marked to last price now
[2016-11-28 01:48:48] lockhedge : rapidtrades: marking method changed to LastPriceProtected, but it doesn't change a lot
[2016-11-28 01:49:27] rapidtrades : and what does 'protected' do?
[2016-11-28 01:49:36] lockhedge : micmix: it's only the last price if it stays inside the price band, doesn't really protect from a flash crash
[2016-11-28 01:50:03] lockhedge : rapidtrades: https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/a-note-on-xbj-price-anomalies/
[2016-11-28 01:52:03] j8 : i still don't understand exactly when the band is updated
[2016-11-28 01:52:33] micmix : j8: my guess is on each mark price update
[2016-11-28 01:53:01] rapidtrades : and how often is that
[2016-11-28 01:53:02] j8 : but it's marked to last so that would be every trade?
[2016-11-28 01:53:42] micmix : not exactly every trade bc you can have several trades from one market order and only one mark price update
[2016-11-28 01:54:41] j8 : ok. i did see, for example, that today when XBJZ16 sold to 83485, the mark price only went to 84500 or so
[2016-11-28 01:55:54] j8 : that would have been one market order
[2016-11-28 01:56:57] micmix : yes, mark price stopped on the lower band
[2016-11-28 01:57:51] rapidtrades : now sharp moves in Yuan
[2016-11-28 01:58:17] rapidtrades : bloomberg is running 'China stealth tightening '
[2016-11-28 01:59:03] mjones : Xbtz16 someone exiting into this rally
[2016-11-28 02:01:07] mjones : Only $10 higher
[2016-11-28 02:02:54] mjones : 200,000 contracts opened on xbtz16 just now
[2016-11-28 02:03:01] Dtrade16 : long?
[2016-11-28 02:03:09] habibi : :D
[2016-11-28 02:03:22] j8 : :)
[2016-11-28 02:04:29] mjones : Some people taking positions. Xbtz16 open contracts may over take swap
[2016-11-28 02:04:44] Dtrade16 : someone bought 200k long you mean?
[2016-11-28 02:05:26] mjones : Total number of open contracts went up that much
[2016-11-28 02:05:46] mjones : 500,000 behind swap now.
[2016-11-28 02:06:13] Newmex : more people realizing xbtz is better because no big funding fee perhaps
[2016-11-28 02:06:27] j8 : 440k contracts volume in 10 mins
[2016-11-28 02:07:40] Dtrade16 : Wow
[2016-11-28 02:07:46] Dtrade16 : That's a long contract correct?
[2016-11-28 02:07:54] Dtrade16 : Sorry for noobness
[2016-11-28 02:08:29] j8 : close to 600 btc
[2016-11-28 02:08:46] j8 : Dtrade16: what's a long contract
[2016-11-28 02:08:59] Dtrade16 : people are opening up long positions I mean?
[2016-11-28 02:09:00] micmix : Dtrade16: settles on Dec. 30
[2016-11-28 02:09:01] habibi : Dtrade16: i will redirect that question to our expert, the sleger
[2016-11-28 02:09:12] Dtrade16 : That's what I'm asking
[2016-11-28 02:09:19] Dtrade16 : Ok
[2016-11-28 02:11:31] rapidtrades : only 7% discount on ZEC...sweet
[2016-11-28 02:27:11] Rado : XBTZ16 premium only $12
[2016-11-28 02:27:26] Rado : I expect it to go up to $30 once BTC start moving
[2016-11-28 02:28:25] Rado : so a good trade will be buy XBTZ16 long, short XBTUSD
[2016-11-28 02:28:37] Rado : once the premium goes up close both trades
[2016-11-28 02:28:52] rapidtrades : what if it doesn't go up?
[2016-11-28 02:28:54] Rado : if the funding was positive during the move you make from that as well
[2016-11-28 02:29:13] Rado : if it doesn't go up you should not lose
[2016-11-28 02:29:19] Rado : well in theory
[2016-11-28 02:29:23] Rado : you could lose a little
[2016-11-28 02:29:39] Rado : with slipage on trades as well as funding if it goes the wrong way
[2016-11-28 02:29:54] Rado : but funding has been positive 90% of the time
[2016-11-28 02:31:24] Rado : rapidtrades: poke holes in my strategy
[2016-11-28 02:31:41] tb : nothing happens until expiry
[2016-11-28 02:31:46] tb : you lose 13 bucks of premium
[2016-11-28 02:32:03] Rado : tb: why would you hold that long?
[2016-11-28 02:32:11] j8 : long quarterly / short swap is great when an uptrend is getting started. works a lot better when there's more time left though.
[2016-11-28 02:32:25] Rado : I promise you BTC will move one way or another way before then
[2016-11-28 02:32:30] tb : you don't know that
[2016-11-28 02:32:33] Rado : j8: agree
[2016-11-28 02:32:41] j8 : only a month left, the clock is ticking, and a new quarterly will get all the fomo premium
[2016-11-28 02:33:41] Rado : j8: by the way I was going to ask BitMEX if they can create quarterly one month early
[2016-11-28 02:33:47] Rado : for me it makes a lot more sense
[2016-11-28 02:34:02] Rado : so March should come on Dec 1
[2016-11-28 02:34:28] Rado : I know they will say, but people will move to March and not trade Dec
[2016-11-28 02:34:34] Rado : I don't think that is true
[2016-11-28 02:34:52] j8 : yeah, i think two weeks before settlement is fine. that's what okc does
[2016-11-28 02:35:08] Rado : 2 weeks could work as well
[2016-11-28 02:35:33] Rado : you can even trade spreads during that time
[2016-11-28 02:35:47] lockhedge : Rado: "BitMEX_Arthur : CapitalGains: yes XBTH17 will list 2 weeks prior to the settlement of XBTZ16"
[2016-11-28 02:36:10] Rado : lockhedge: Ha, thanks
[2016-11-28 02:36:13] Newmex : what is xbth?
[2016-11-28 02:36:15] Rado : did not see this obviously
[2016-11-28 02:36:37] Newmex : i know only xbtusd and xbtz
[2016-11-28 02:36:48] j8 : Newmex: the next quarterly contract, which settles in march
[2016-11-28 02:36:56] Newmex : oh ok
[2016-11-28 02:37:07] Rado : Newmex: they pick letters at random it seems
[2016-11-28 02:37:21] Rado : j8: any rime or reason behind the H?
[2016-11-28 02:37:25] j8 : the letters are standard month codes for futures
[2016-11-28 02:37:33] Rado : they are?
[2016-11-28 02:37:38] j8 : yep
[2016-11-28 02:37:46] lockhedge : yes, http://www.cmegroup.com/month-codes.html
[2016-11-28 02:37:51] Rado : had no idea that H is March
[2016-11-28 02:38:36] Rado : lockhedge: thanks man
[2016-11-28 02:38:49] Rado : I remember stock options were using something like that
[2016-11-28 02:39:01] Rado : did not pay attention to the codes
[2016-11-28 02:40:01] rullwull : the most stupid thing with the code is to call BTC XBT
[2016-11-28 02:40:30] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes H17 will expire on the last friday of march
[2016-11-28 02:40:48] BitMEX_Arthur : We are also working on XBC future which will be pure XBT/CNY
[2016-11-28 02:40:53] BitMEX_Arthur : hopefully will have that live very soon
[2016-11-28 02:40:53] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: So you are changing to that as well?
[2016-11-28 02:41:00] Rado : BTC is 24H market
[2016-11-28 02:41:03] Rado : why Friday?
[2016-11-28 02:41:09] BitMEX_Arthur : That's when it expires
[2016-11-28 02:41:18] BitMEX_Arthur : It trades 24/7 up until the expiry date
[2016-11-28 02:41:22] BitMEX_Arthur : just like all of our other futures
[2016-11-28 02:41:30] Rado : so March 31 is Friday?
[2016-11-28 02:41:31] Rado : ok
[2016-11-28 02:41:40] BitMEX_Arthur : not sure don't have a calendar in front of me
[2016-11-28 02:42:09] Rado : Yep
[2016-11-28 02:42:18] Newmex : BitMEX_Arthur: what happens on xbtz16 expiry date if you have an open position? your unrealized p/l becomes realized?
[2016-11-28 02:42:27] Newmex : or do you need to close
[2016-11-28 02:42:38] Rado : Newmex: it settles
[2016-11-28 02:42:49] Newmex : ok
[2016-11-28 02:42:50] Rado : you can call it closing the possition
[2016-11-28 02:42:56] Newmex : ty
[2016-11-28 02:43:13] Rado : you get charged a fee for that as well
[2016-11-28 02:43:49] Newmex : yea but im sure its not a huge one like the funding fee on perpetual swap can be lol
[2016-11-28 02:44:41] Rado : Newmex: 0.05%
[2016-11-28 02:45:03] Newmex : not bad
[2016-11-28 02:45:25] Rado : Trading fees are the best BitMEX feature imo
[2016-11-28 02:45:39] Newmex : like funding fees? i hate them
[2016-11-28 02:45:45] Newmex : thats why i only use xbtz
[2016-11-28 02:45:54] Rado : funding fee is fine
[2016-11-28 02:46:49] j8 : trading fees are higher than their competitors, low fees aren't the reason people trade here
[2016-11-28 02:47:11] Rado : j8: who has lower fees?
[2016-11-28 02:47:17] rapidtrades : okc for me
[2016-11-28 02:47:20] rapidtrades : for one
[2016-11-28 02:47:25] j8 : okc, bitvc
[2016-11-28 02:47:33] j8 : i think bitvc is same as okc?
[2016-11-28 02:47:35] Rado : how much if you know?
[2016-11-28 02:47:46] rapidtrades : 0.03% for okc, open/close
[2016-11-28 02:47:49] j8 : 0.03% to open, free to close
[2016-11-28 02:48:17] rapidtrades : there are no maker rebates tho
[2016-11-28 02:48:48] Rado : right
[2016-11-28 02:49:12] Rado : @j8, @rapidtrades: which one do you think it's better?
[2016-11-28 02:49:23] j8 : in terms of fee structure?
[2016-11-28 02:49:23] Rado : okc or bitvc
[2016-11-28 02:49:25] rapidtrades : for me okc is better
[2016-11-28 02:49:26] j8 : oh
[2016-11-28 02:49:32] j8 : i don't use bitvc
[2016-11-28 02:49:41] rapidtrades : oh...idk still haven't tried them either
[2016-11-28 02:50:00] j8 : i think bitvc is pure cny index
[2016-11-28 02:50:04] Rado : okc the USD site right?
[2016-11-28 02:50:10] Rado : or Chinese
[2016-11-28 02:50:23] rapidtrades : yeah okc.com
[2016-11-28 02:50:42] j8 : thewoodchipper.com
[2016-11-28 02:50:52] Rado : I have an account there, but never funded
[2016-11-28 02:52:27] j8 : they have their issues, i trade there but i wish i didn't have to
[2016-11-28 02:52:33] mjones : Nice xbt/cny soon.
[2016-11-28 02:52:37] Newmex : i dont use okc but i moved here from bitfinex. i like this futures better. and bitfinex usd funding fee is too high now. 0.1%. and less liquid than it was before their hack
[2016-11-28 02:53:30] rapidtrades : bitfinex is spot, not futures
[2016-11-28 02:53:32] rapidtrades : it's also shit
[2016-11-28 02:53:35] mjones : Xbtz16 has a million more contacts open than 10 days ago. People are coming
[2016-11-28 02:53:38] Newmex : yep
[2016-11-28 02:53:48] shery : xbtz is attractive
[2016-11-28 02:54:28] Rado : j8: 1202 and 1209 on okc are both trading at $746. How does that make sense?
[2016-11-28 02:54:42] mjones : I'm pumped for the new one. 16 more days. Get in when it opens before premium goes up
[2016-11-28 02:54:51] Rado : is not worth shorting 1202 and longing 1209
[2016-11-28 02:54:56] rapidtrades : Rado: their exchange rate is wacked
[2016-11-28 02:55:10] Rado : rapidtrades: what do you mean?
[2016-11-28 02:55:26] rapidtrades : check the exchange rate on the page ur looking
[2016-11-28 02:55:48] rapidtrades : 1USD=6.8682CNY
[2016-11-28 02:56:11] rapidtrades : market 6.9017
[2016-11-28 02:56:16] j8 : Rado: they do a really dumb thing.. to try to avoid volatility in USD/CNY affecting bitcoin traders they use a 2 week average of the exchange rate to calculate the index, and it's updated every week
[2016-11-28 02:56:59] Rado : I thought this is a USD exchange
[2016-11-28 02:57:07] rapidtrades : no their index is 50/50
[2016-11-28 02:57:23] Rado : contract prices are in USD
[2016-11-28 02:57:24] j8 : the index is 6 exchanges, 3 usd 3 cny (converted to usd with their bad rate)
[2016-11-28 02:57:25] rullwull : i always switch CNY in okc
[2016-11-28 02:57:27] rapidtrades : so in reality, that biweekly is trading at a discount right now
[2016-11-28 02:57:40] j8 : rapidtrades: wrong again
[2016-11-28 02:58:18] Rado : OK, tell me what will happen between now and Dec 2
[2016-11-28 02:58:22] Rado : for both futures
[2016-11-28 02:58:28] Rado : or what could happen
[2016-11-28 02:58:59] rapidtrades : j8: right it's at premium
[2016-11-28 02:59:00] Rado : lets say BTC is at $760 on Dec 2
[2016-11-28 02:59:43] Rado : shouldn't Dec 9 have a similar premium to what Dec 2 has now
[2016-11-28 02:59:52] j8 : this week will settle higher than it should based on current exchange rates. next week will settle with a different exchange rate, which will make the index lower, but still not as low as it should be
[2016-11-28 03:00:47] Rado : but I still think you will be net positive if you short Dec 2 and go long Dec 9
[2016-11-28 03:00:48] rapidtrades : okc is stupid
[2016-11-28 03:01:07] Rado : I should try it
[2016-11-28 03:01:14] rapidtrades : Rado: you'll be buying dec9 at premium
[2016-11-28 03:01:30] j8 : Rado: it's negative carry
[2016-11-28 03:01:36] Rado : rapidtrades: of course
[2016-11-28 03:01:49] rapidtrades : i mean much higher premium then the $1 u see
[2016-11-28 03:01:50] j8 : but it can win if all rates go up
[2016-11-28 03:02:00] Rado : right
[2016-11-28 03:03:28] Rado : they still have the max price thing
[2016-11-28 03:03:42] j8 : also if yuan devalues this week, then next week will also settle artificially high
[2016-11-28 03:03:42] Rado : Max Price: 777.87
[2016-11-28 03:04:09] rapidtrades : Rado: where do u see that
[2016-11-28 03:04:10] j8 : those are just short term circuit breakers
[2016-11-28 03:04:27] rapidtrades : oh yeah in the orders panel
[2016-11-28 03:04:54] Rado : j8: they move with the price?
[2016-11-28 03:05:36] j8 : yep, and they adjust maybe every 5 or 10 seconds. they had an actual limit on the premium of the quarterly for a while before
[2016-11-28 03:06:08] rapidtrades : still better then actual limit on the price
[2016-11-28 03:08:05] Rado : what are the buttons 10%, 20%, 50%, 100%?
[2016-11-28 03:09:24] j8 : it fills the order controls with as much as you can buy with 10% of your account, etc.
[2016-11-28 03:09:37] rapidtrades : i want to code a customizable mm bot
[2016-11-28 03:09:40] chaunceylee : 799.99
[2016-11-28 03:10:08] Rado : rapidtrades: me too
[2016-11-28 03:10:21] Rado : let's do ti
[2016-11-28 03:10:23] Rado : it
[2016-11-28 03:10:43] Rado : j8: do you program?
[2016-11-28 03:11:07] j8 : yep, well i hack things together and call it programming
[2016-11-28 03:11:18] Rado : ;-)
[2016-11-28 03:11:24] Rado : most developers do that