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BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

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[2016-11-25 18:13:40] elmorte : I guess that's not how you escape a character
[2016-11-25 18:14:02] wurstgelee : probably not
[2016-11-25 18:14:04] elmorte : \`code`
[2016-11-25 18:14:17] elmorte : `code`
[2016-11-25 18:14:28] elmorte : I was wrong...
[2016-11-25 18:15:05] wurstgelee : zec -> toilet
[2016-11-25 18:15:46] elmorte : [2016-11-25 06:29:00] wurstgelee : zec looking good. good support, will go higher
[2016-11-25 18:16:06] elmorte : Nothing personal, just came across it reading the archive...
[2016-11-25 18:16:15] wurstgelee : elmorte: i closed all my longs since then
[2016-11-25 18:16:19] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-25 18:16:30] wurstgelee : and i went short a few minutes ago
[2016-11-25 18:16:31] elmorte : I figured as much, good move
[2016-11-25 18:16:54] elmorte : fck that...that's gamble central
[2016-11-25 18:17:31] elmorte : what economics even influence the price in theory for that asset??
[2016-11-25 18:18:08] wurstgelee : zec?
[2016-11-25 18:18:14] elmorte : yup
[2016-11-25 18:18:21] wurstgelee : supply and demand, as always
[2016-11-25 18:18:39] wurstgelee : supply is defined and incfresing fast. demand cant go up because theres no reason besides fomo
[2016-11-25 18:18:44] wurstgelee : so....
[2016-11-25 18:19:05] wurstgelee : my bet is supply will overwhelm demand now and panic dumps will do the rest
[2016-11-25 18:19:11] elmorte : Very convincing
[2016-11-25 18:19:28] wurstgelee : *cant go up forever
[2016-11-25 18:19:31] wurstgelee : i can go up ofc
[2016-11-25 18:19:36] wurstgelee : fomo always dies
[2016-11-25 18:19:39] wurstgelee : sooner or later
[2016-11-25 18:20:00] wurstgelee : and chart looking a lot weaker. maybe a blowoff spike (i think)
[2016-11-25 18:20:11] elmorte : oh, there's actual volume there now...
[2016-11-25 18:20:14] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-25 18:20:42] wurstgelee : its actually tradable
[2016-11-25 18:20:49] elmorte : That discount means a lotta ppl feel the same way
[2016-11-25 18:21:03] wurstgelee : if it bounces up, it will bounce now....
[2016-11-25 18:21:27] elmorte : Damnit, I'm outta cash
[2016-11-25 18:21:44] wurstgelee : sub .13 and byebye
[2016-11-25 18:21:49] wurstgelee : or i am horribly wrong :)
[2016-11-25 18:22:41] elmorte : XBTZ16 got peed on pretty much...
[2016-11-25 18:22:42] wurstgelee : oh, and also whales cant hold the price up forever. supply is just too much. this is expensive
[2016-11-25 18:23:16] wurstgelee : its not like an ico where every whale already has a big share from the start....
[2016-11-25 18:23:16] elmorte : what's the zcash supply algo? I know the jist, just not specifics
[2016-11-25 18:23:21] wurstgelee : they had to buy @ market ;)
[2016-11-25 18:23:27] wurstgelee : same as btc
[2016-11-25 18:23:33] wurstgelee : but it starts with 34 days of slow mining
[2016-11-25 18:23:43] elmorte : not exponential?
[2016-11-25 18:23:48] wurstgelee : where reward increases linear to full block reward
[2016-11-25 18:23:54] wurstgelee : of 12.5/2.5 mins
[2016-11-25 18:23:58] elmorte : aha, linear increase
[2016-11-25 18:24:01] wurstgelee : so 50/10
[2016-11-25 18:24:02] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-25 18:24:11] wurstgelee : almost full reward now
[2016-11-25 18:39:40] wurstgelee : up or die for zec there
[2016-11-25 18:42:28] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/DJThistle01/status/802220483324166145
[2016-11-25 18:44:58] zcashequalslambo : loool
[2016-11-25 18:45:04] zcashequalslambo : do you see poloniex orders
[2016-11-25 18:45:18] zcashequalslambo : 27 btc to 0.14
[2016-11-25 18:45:23] zcashequalslambo : 50 btc to 0.13
[2016-11-25 18:45:58] zcashequalslambo : its going to hit 0.16 today
[2016-11-25 18:48:26] wurstgelee : zcashequalslambo: maybe. its a 2x leveraged gamble ;)
[2016-11-25 18:49:19] zcashequalslambo : it wont go under 0.132
[2016-11-25 18:49:27] wurstgelee : it was a min ago
[2016-11-25 18:49:35] wurstgelee : .1311 or something
[2016-11-25 18:50:20] wurstgelee : at least something with .131
[2016-11-25 18:50:23] zcashequalslambo : what
[2016-11-25 18:50:27] wurstgelee : polo
[2016-11-25 18:50:27] zcashequalslambo : maybe on localbitcoins
[2016-11-25 18:50:31] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-25 18:50:36] wurstgelee : i checked in trade history ffs
[2016-11-25 18:50:44] wurstgelee : .1317something
[2016-11-25 18:50:46] zcashequalslambo : show me
[2016-11-25 18:50:50] wurstgelee : maybe lower
[2016-11-25 18:50:57] wurstgelee : didnt want to load "100 more"
[2016-11-25 18:51:00] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-25 18:51:17] wurstgelee : zcashequalslambo: check yourself
[2016-11-25 18:51:23] zcashequalslambo : ok checked
[2016-11-25 18:51:28] zcashequalslambo : there is nothing like that
[2016-11-25 18:51:32] zcashequalslambo : end of story
[2016-11-25 18:51:32] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-25 18:51:48] zcashequalslambo : dont panic, you can still close your shorts
[2016-11-25 18:51:52] wurstgelee : 0.13183552 0.13905448 0.01833232 34.48807729
[2016-11-25 18:51:55] wurstgelee : fuck u sir
[2016-11-25 18:52:27] wurstgelee : zcashequalslambo: i know how this game works, i have been long on zec ever since it launched until now
[2016-11-25 18:53:26] zcashequalslambo : 0.14184552 0.14325568 0.039342 34.432807729
[2016-11-25 18:53:33] wurstgelee : zcashequalslambo: 0.13116678 0.02455700 0.00322106
[2016-11-25 18:53:43] zcashequalslambo : at least give the tiem
[2016-11-25 18:53:44] wurstgelee : .1311 ...
[2016-11-25 18:53:46] zcashequalslambo : give the time
[2016-11-25 18:55:34] wurstgelee : zcashequalslambo: http://imgur.com/a/XfYSk
[2016-11-25 18:55:36] wurstgelee : thats all u get
[2016-11-25 18:56:09] wurstgelee : hahahahaahahahahahahaa
[2016-11-25 18:56:13] wurstgelee : fuck
[2016-11-25 18:56:47] wurstgelee : zcashequalslambo: sorry, i might or might not be very baked and might or might not have mixed up order and sell book. 8)
[2016-11-25 18:57:19] wurstgelee : anyways, if it doesnt bounce here, its going down
[2016-11-25 18:57:30] zcashequalslambo : its not trade history xDDDD
[2016-11-25 18:57:39] wurstgelee : yeah, that as well
[2016-11-25 18:57:40] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-25 18:57:49] wurstgelee : omfg
[2016-11-25 19:09:19] rapidtrades : this is stupid
[2016-11-25 19:09:38] rapidtrades : bitcoin forgot how to fall
[2016-11-25 19:11:49] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: yeah i'm impress with the fact it is not going down hard
[2016-11-25 19:12:18] thiago : theres no reason to fall lol
[2016-11-25 19:14:19] rapidtrades : shut up thiago lol
[2016-11-25 19:15:45] thiago : its hanging by the pussy
[2016-11-25 19:16:24] wurstgelee : its consolidating
[2016-11-25 19:16:52] wurstgelee : could be a lot more sideways
[2016-11-25 19:17:46] CaptainDean : well it's been a while I saw so much consolidation ... it should fall like really hard
[2016-11-25 19:17:50] wurstgelee : and that "wall" at polo gets dumped into
[2016-11-25 19:18:11] wurstgelee : really not looking good for zec. and i am not saying that because i am short
[2016-11-25 19:18:46] numero : I was born in zcrash
[2016-11-25 19:18:50] zcashequalslambo : i was thinking that last drop
[2016-11-25 19:18:54] numero : I wonder what that makes my life expectancy?
[2016-11-25 19:18:59] numero : any bets?
[2016-11-25 19:19:00] zcashequalslambo : but then it went for another high afterwards
[2016-11-25 19:19:01] zcashequalslambo : so
[2016-11-25 19:19:12] wurstgelee : yeah
[2016-11-25 19:19:16] zcashequalslambo : it still will go up
[2016-11-25 19:19:55] wurstgelee : sometimes, sure. next move? not so much
[2016-11-25 19:20:06] zcashequalslambo : it was over 0.14 then dropped to 0.12
[2016-11-25 19:20:24] zcashequalslambo : it will drop to 0.132 and go to 0.15 this time
[2016-11-25 19:20:26] wurstgelee : yes, and?
[2016-11-25 19:20:51] zcashequalslambo : even macd histogram shows uptrend
[2016-11-25 19:21:03] wurstgelee : zcashequalslambo: as i said earlier: it has to bounce here or it will go down
[2016-11-25 19:21:11] wurstgelee : that hasnt changed
[2016-11-25 19:21:29] wurstgelee : .130
[2016-11-25 19:21:41] zcashequalslambo : something triggered
[2016-11-25 19:21:42] zcashequalslambo : lets see
[2016-11-25 19:22:17] wurstgelee : and now it gets interesting....
[2016-11-25 19:23:04] zcashequalslambo : ok big spread
[2016-11-25 19:23:18] wurstgelee : there is constant miner pressure
[2016-11-25 19:23:20] zcashequalslambo : big spread went for bull side
[2016-11-25 19:23:28] zcashequalslambo : always is
[2016-11-25 19:23:38] wurstgelee : u also said it wont break .132....
[2016-11-25 19:23:59] wurstgelee : about to go below .13
[2016-11-25 19:24:38] wurstgelee : zcashequalslambo: wheres your bullish spread now?
[2016-11-25 19:25:06] wurstgelee : < .13
[2016-11-25 19:25:40] wurstgelee : .128 ....
[2016-11-25 19:26:03] zcashequalslambo : ok looks like time to short
[2016-11-25 19:26:09] wurstgelee : oh rly? 8)
[2016-11-25 19:26:29] wurstgelee : .126 ...
[2016-11-25 19:27:28] wurstgelee : .125
[2016-11-25 19:27:42] numero : zcashequalslambo: hey, could you ask trollboxer if he got liqed on zecz16 yesterday for 4 k contracts?
[2016-11-25 19:28:10] wurstgelee : well, a long squeeze for a change :)
[2016-11-25 19:29:14] mjones : someone pushing zec down on here.
[2016-11-25 19:29:16] wurstgelee : buy support getting pulled
[2016-11-25 19:29:18] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-25 19:29:21] CaptainDean : numero: it has to be him like the contest said, there is no way we had a bigger liquidation
[2016-11-25 19:29:27] wurstgelee : buy support getting pulled, seels filling up
[2016-11-25 19:29:32] wurstgelee : *sells
[2016-11-25 19:29:51] mjones : longs should be margin called soon
[2016-11-25 19:30:09] wurstgelee : mjones: u short 2?
[2016-11-25 19:30:26] numero : CaptainDean: the announcement was unclear though, it just says trollboxer was the winner . . . but if the real winner declined to have his name announced, we wouldn't know
[2016-11-25 19:30:37] mjones : yeah short
[2016-11-25 19:30:48] Tetsuo : zcashequalDid Bitmex announce the winners? Any famous trollboxer among them?
[2016-11-25 19:30:57] numero : CaptainDean: could you ask trollboxer?
[2016-11-25 19:31:04] CaptainDean : numero: I was sure they had to acccept the fact of having their name public to win it
[2016-11-25 19:31:14] CaptainDean : numero: i don't know him personnaly
[2016-11-25 19:31:40] numero : Tetsuo: Tetsuo! you'll know! did trollboxer get liqed on 4 k contracts?
[2016-11-25 19:31:51] Tetsuo : no i didn´t
[2016-11-25 19:32:02] Tetsuo : ho else won something
[2016-11-25 19:32:13] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: habibi won the lucky challenge
[2016-11-25 19:32:44] Tetsuo : i´m satisfied, i´m glad that not some noob who only appeared to win the prize would get this
[2016-11-25 19:32:56] wurstgelee : yeah, me 2
[2016-11-25 19:32:56] sleger : yes but habibi
[2016-11-25 19:33:01] Tetsuo : true
[2016-11-25 19:33:04] wurstgelee : its good that a regular won
[2016-11-25 19:33:15] sleger : rapid deserved it more
[2016-11-25 19:33:16] habibi : sleger: i really think u should be the one to win 2 btc prize of biggest liq
[2016-11-25 19:34:08] numero : do you know how many students I would have had to find to pool their tuition money to shoot the moon?
[2016-11-25 19:34:15] numero : good thing we didn't try
[2016-11-25 19:35:16] sleger : did trollboxer reappear since he got hit hard ?
[2016-11-25 19:35:31] sleger : guy didnt sound smart, history proved me right again
[2016-11-25 19:35:36] habibi : sleger: it's funny u are the only one that is 100% that was trollboxer :)
[2016-11-25 19:35:41] habibi : with zec liq
[2016-11-25 19:35:46] habibi : sure*
[2016-11-25 19:35:53] sleger : how could it be someone else ?
[2016-11-25 19:35:57] wurstgelee : quick trollbox poll: who thinks .125 will hold @ ZEC? ;)
[2016-11-25 19:36:01] numero : maybe trollboxer could come and clear this up for us :)
[2016-11-25 19:36:24] sleger : trollboxer wont the biggest liq price that is in the email
[2016-11-25 19:36:28] habibi : sleger: simply someone else could not agree to show his nickname in results ? look at chat archive, trollboxer was happy when we were going up on zec
[2016-11-25 19:36:45] sleger : then bitmex should have disclaimed that
[2016-11-25 19:36:53] sleger : the prize went to the 2nd biggest liq
[2016-11-25 19:37:05] sleger : because first refused to be publicized
[2016-11-25 19:37:12] wurstgelee : well, that would enable us to check how much he lost
[2016-11-25 19:37:17] wurstgelee : if he was 2nd biggest
[2016-11-25 19:37:18] numero : yeah, maybe BitMEX should clear this up
[2016-11-25 19:37:24] habibi : they its still uncovering part of privacy
[2016-11-25 19:37:26] habibi : then*
[2016-11-25 19:37:35] wurstgelee : its more private this way and im ok with not showing it because its a loss
[2016-11-25 19:37:35] numero : not really
[2016-11-25 19:37:38] sleger : not really
[2016-11-25 19:38:14] rangle : speculators speculating on a prize for speculators
[2016-11-25 19:38:31] sleger : we are not speculating on the prize dummy we know its 2 btc
[2016-11-25 19:38:48] wurstgelee : we are speculating on what others think the price is
[2016-11-25 19:38:50] wurstgelee : because we now
[2016-11-25 19:38:52] laisee : there should be an instrument for going long/short traders
[2016-11-25 19:38:54] thomaskikansha : buyer showing up on polo
[2016-11-25 19:38:57] wurstgelee : '*know
[2016-11-25 19:39:32] wurstgelee : k, closed my short with a profit
[2016-11-25 19:39:34] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-25 19:40:20] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: u shorted ZEC?
[2016-11-25 19:40:28] wurstgelee : yeah
[2016-11-25 19:40:30] wurstgelee : 1st time
[2016-11-25 19:40:36] wurstgelee : looked shitty
[2016-11-25 19:40:51] rapidtrades : hope u lost money traitor
[2016-11-25 19:40:55] wurstgelee : but closed early
[2016-11-25 19:41:17] wurstgelee : if this goas up a tad again, sells get pulled and i am fckd
[2016-11-25 19:41:25] wurstgelee : no risking that
[2016-11-25 19:42:27] thomaskikansha : dip was bought
[2016-11-25 19:47:03] zcashequalslambo : its still falling
[2016-11-25 19:47:21] numero : this is how I picture my little stint in cryptoland going: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCXq9QB-dQ
[2016-11-25 19:47:27] numero : ^ that's me running
[2016-11-25 19:49:22] habibi : numero: u got liquidated @47 sec and still running :/
[2016-11-25 19:51:10] numero : habibi: I trade small positions :)
[2016-11-25 19:51:12] imabeast : Whos long?
[2016-11-25 19:51:33] zcashequalslambo : long on what
[2016-11-25 19:51:37] numero : I go cross at the end though
[2016-11-25 19:51:45] imabeast : zec..
[2016-11-25 19:52:46] wurstgelee : 1 digit number of contracts
[2016-11-25 19:55:18] wurstgelee : 2 digit number of contracts :p
[2016-11-25 19:55:49] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: what's your zec position?
[2016-11-25 19:55:55] wurstgelee : long now
[2016-11-25 19:56:06] CapitalGains : hrm
[2016-11-25 19:56:25] CapitalGains : I'm thinking to short for the first time in weeks
[2016-11-25 19:56:33] wurstgelee : i switched from short to long ~ 30 mins ago or sth.
[2016-11-25 19:56:56] wurstgelee : i was. but orderbooks to thin for anyhting more than a few conttracts to close fast without a big loss
[2016-11-25 19:57:24] wurstgelee : so i had to close shortly after the dump
[2016-11-25 19:57:34] wurstgelee : with a profit, but not that much...
[2016-11-25 19:58:10] wurstgelee : still risky af to short...
[2016-11-25 19:59:46] thomaskikansha : thinking of 0.2 spot
[2016-11-25 20:00:10] wurstgelee : top of the nov 20 local low
[2016-11-25 20:00:14] wurstgelee : nov 14
[2016-11-25 20:00:24] wurstgelee : that local low, before it dumped...
[2016-11-25 20:00:28] wurstgelee : thats a good target :)
[2016-11-25 20:01:04] wurstgelee : if u want to place a bet on more upside that is...
[2016-11-25 20:01:39] wurstgelee : ~ .178
[2016-11-25 20:01:44] wurstgelee : somehwere there
[2016-11-25 20:04:05] CapitalGains : Got my finger on the short trigger, but I'm having flashbacks of ZEC short squeezes
[2016-11-25 20:04:12] wurstgelee : yeah
[2016-11-25 20:04:14] wurstgelee : i had them too
[2016-11-25 20:04:26] wurstgelee : its too risky imo
[2016-11-25 20:04:38] wurstgelee : mc longs wont happen much
[2016-11-25 20:04:41] wurstgelee : so no adl
[2016-11-25 20:04:48] wurstgelee : su u need low bids...
[2016-11-25 20:04:51] wurstgelee : *so
[2016-11-25 20:04:58] wurstgelee : to close ofc
[2016-11-25 20:05:21] wurstgelee : risky
[2016-11-25 20:05:28] wurstgelee : los asks ofc
[2016-11-25 20:05:29] CapitalGains : Risk reward with shorting just isn't worth it
[2016-11-25 20:05:33] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-25 20:05:37] wurstgelee : the risk is tho
[2016-11-25 20:05:54] wurstgelee : never underestimate polo ;)
[2016-11-25 20:06:17] wurstgelee : maybe if we break .125. ....
[2016-11-25 20:06:51] imabeast : im in the risky business :)
[2016-11-25 20:06:55] imabeast : :D
[2016-11-25 20:07:06] QuantFocus : hmmm
[2016-11-25 20:07:11] QuantFocus : do user colors really change?
[2016-11-25 20:07:12] wurstgelee : ~200 btc put it @ a new high
[2016-11-25 20:07:15] wurstgelee : risky
[2016-11-25 20:07:25] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: i thought you were blue yesterday
[2016-11-25 20:07:33] CaptainDean : QuantFocus: he never been
[2016-11-25 20:07:38] wurstgelee : i trhink i had this color for quite a while
[2016-11-25 20:07:39] QuantFocus : have you been making so much money you're green now
[2016-11-25 20:07:40] wurstgelee : at least weeks
[2016-11-25 20:07:45] CaptainDean : QuantFocus: he's a green team
[2016-11-25 20:07:46] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-25 20:07:48] laisee : depends on your location
[2016-11-25 20:07:49] QuantFocus : oh, ok
[2016-11-25 20:07:54] wurstgelee : really?
[2016-11-25 20:07:58] laisee : and tax status
[2016-11-25 20:07:59] wurstgelee : location?
[2016-11-25 20:08:01] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-25 20:08:02] wurstgelee : fu sir
[2016-11-25 20:08:03] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-11-25 20:08:05] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-25 20:08:09] CaptainDean : it's random :P
[2016-11-25 20:08:14] CaptainDean : ;-)
[2016-11-25 20:08:17] QuantFocus : i must drink too much
[2016-11-25 20:08:29] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: or not enough
[2016-11-25 20:08:30] laisee : not random if ur name is 'ramdom'
[2016-11-25 20:08:36] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: lol
[2016-11-25 20:10:26] laisee : drunktrading,com
[2016-11-25 20:10:34] rms : i was supposed to win the good prize but didn't check my email in time
[2016-11-25 20:10:54] rms : i woke up and was like "wait, didn't i make more than the yacht club winner?" i guess my timing was weird
[2016-11-25 20:11:13] rms : i think they gave me 6 hours to confirm which didn't work for me
[2016-11-25 20:11:28] rms : longing zcash was the winning trade, FYI
[2016-11-25 20:12:01] wurstgelee : rms: ofc
[2016-11-25 20:12:05] QuantFocus : so trollboxer was the one to get rekt on that zec short?
[2016-11-25 20:12:07] QuantFocus : poor guy
[2016-11-25 20:12:11] wurstgelee : everyone up there longed zec
[2016-11-25 20:12:14] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-25 20:12:21] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: not sure
[2016-11-25 20:12:34] wurstgelee : theory is number 1 declined
[2016-11-25 20:12:36] QuantFocus : well they didn't specify, but that was certainly a large liquidation
[2016-11-25 20:12:40] wurstgelee : so he was maybe #2
[2016-11-25 20:12:42] QuantFocus : ahh
[2016-11-25 20:12:46] trollboxer : Invest the money in medical technology to save your loved ones. Don't spend your time staring at screens all day
[2016-11-25 20:13:00] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: he seemed happy about zec going up etc...
[2016-11-25 20:13:02] wurstgelee : doesnt fit
[2016-11-25 20:13:03] QuantFocus : probably not worth everyone know for 2btc
[2016-11-25 20:13:20] rms : of course not winning the prize was made up for by the profitable trade
[2016-11-25 20:13:24] wurstgelee : trollboxer: wb. and grats.
[2016-11-25 20:13:32] wurstgelee : even if its a prize for a loss ;)
[2016-11-25 20:13:33] rms : which was of course made up for by my equally unprofitable still open position on poloniex
[2016-11-25 20:13:40] habibi : trollboxer: hey, any comment on the contest u won?
[2016-11-25 20:13:59] QuantFocus : habibi: you won too buddy. congrats
[2016-11-25 20:14:02] QuantFocus : i think it was an inside job
[2016-11-25 20:14:36] habibi : QuantFocus: i was just lucky, real winners are other ones
[2016-11-25 20:15:19] trollboxer : That's my comment, trading vs other people is 0 sum, the winner doesn't have to do "real" work, and the loser has to go and be productive. The universe and the body is challenging enough that we should spend our energy fighting for the good of all men, not the good of one at the cost of another. When you think you're techically right about a thing, it doesn't mean you are "price" right.
[2016-11-25 20:16:11] trollboxer : In 10 years of trading, if you win lots, on the other side of all those trades is probably an unhappy customer. Better to find a way to make the same money and have a happy customer on the other side if you can.
[2016-11-25 20:17:08] wurstgelee : not sure if i get this, youre saying trading is bad?
[2016-11-25 20:18:50] rms : that it's better top make a life around positive sum games than to make a life around zero sum games
[2016-11-25 20:18:55] rms : *to make
[2016-11-25 20:19:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 9 @ 0.086745
[2016-11-25 20:19:14] wurstgelee : i love to do both
[2016-11-25 20:19:18] wurstgelee : simultaneously
[2016-11-25 20:19:29] habibi : trollboxer: could u tell me which vendor u used? u sounds like u took really nice lsd recently and still under effect
[2016-11-25 20:19:41] wurstgelee : oh, look, a rare species: a rekt $ZEC long
[2016-11-25 20:20:28] mispiezas3@gmail.com : hi i am short in btc. when starts black friday?
[2016-11-25 20:20:30] thomaskikansha : margin longers :(
[2016-11-25 20:20:51] trollboxer : The highest and best use any of us will have to our families or ourselves is to build the technology that will save their lives and ours. And it's a rising tide floats all ships game. The life you save may be your own. Until that day, happy trading : )
[2016-11-25 20:22:26] XBT_Saver : trollboxer: hey are you still there?
[2016-11-25 20:22:48] pause88 : trollboxer: hey what was your liquidation amount to win the 2 btc award?
[2016-11-25 20:23:05] trollboxer : If I had taken wurstgelee's money instead of him taking mine, I shouldn't have been too much happier with the outcome , for how did I make the world better by taking it. I'm saying I feel bad for trying to take your guys money. I'm glad you won, and hope you keep winning, and then transition into philanthropy, which happens to help your families.
[2016-11-25 20:23:32] trollboxer : I'm off to do those good works. Congrats to the winners!
[2016-11-25 20:23:56] laisee : we should solve cancer while waiting for ZEC to mooon?
[2016-11-25 20:24:34] pause88 : I'm just gonna guess 10 btc...
[2016-11-25 20:25:28] trollboxer : There is surely more money in helping your fellow man, than in the crypto markets. And even if there were not, you will one day yearn for the technology from a bed in a room with poor lighting, and lots of white robes. Better to fight the reaper while you can still stand!
[2016-11-25 20:25:52] trollboxer : Good bye good chaps!
[2016-11-25 20:26:06] laisee : trollboxer: that 10BTC loss must have hurt
[2016-11-25 20:26:17] XBT_Saver : trollboxer: what is your skype? think you should talk to someone I know.
[2016-11-25 20:26:17] rangle : have a good one
[2016-11-25 20:27:03] laisee : trollb must have bet the family savings and his NGO cash on ZEC
[2016-11-25 20:27:20] XBT_Saver : trollboxer: you seem to think in a similar way.
[2016-11-25 20:30:42] mjones : zec short was just a nice fellow giving out a generous donation
[2016-11-25 20:36:46] numero : I used to be idealistic, poverty is setting my priorities straight
[2016-11-25 20:37:11] numero : I would like to help others though, some day, if I have the means to do so
[2016-11-25 20:37:29] wurstgelee : i have to admit i am ok with wanting to take your money guys
[2016-11-25 20:37:30] wurstgelee : no offense
[2016-11-25 20:37:31] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-25 20:37:35] mjones : zec whale unloading days worth of mined coins
[2016-11-25 20:37:52] numero : wurstgelee: yeah, I'm getting there
[2016-11-25 20:38:16] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: I have to agree with you. Both sides of a contract are in it to take the other's money. It's fair.
[2016-11-25 20:38:21] wurstgelee : well, its a great game with a nice sideeffect
[2016-11-25 20:38:29] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-25 20:38:33] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-11-25 20:38:39] wurstgelee : noone is forced to pick a side
[2016-11-25 20:38:44] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: Two equal and opposite side effects
[2016-11-25 20:38:52] wurstgelee : if u go in the ring, you go in the ring
[2016-11-25 20:39:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 42410 @ 0.001150
[2016-11-25 20:39:34] mjones : rekt
[2016-11-25 20:39:39] RocketScience : mega
[2016-11-25 20:39:43] Sasukeevil : ETC pumping
[2016-11-25 20:39:51] mjones : someone shorted ETC thinking it'll break 0.001 hard
[2016-11-25 20:40:04] RocketScience : Chandler Guo is laughing now
[2016-11-25 20:40:20] mjones : you know what to do guys. buy ETC and jack up the rekt wall
[2016-11-25 20:40:50] mjones : lol nice
[2016-11-25 20:41:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 0.083822
[2016-11-25 20:41:41] imabeast : down goes zec
[2016-11-25 20:41:42] imabeast : :D
[2016-11-25 20:41:42] wurstgelee : zec dying here
[2016-11-25 20:41:49] mjones : settlement just happened too. how do you short so much etc
[2016-11-25 20:42:19] mjones : lol wtf etc orderbook
[2016-11-25 20:45:17] wurstgelee : ha
[2016-11-25 20:45:37] wurstgelee : inb4 vitalik announces eth is fucked beyond reason and that he is dev'ing etc now
[2016-11-25 20:46:22] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: I took a break from ZEC for a while, but it seems I should've kept up the long game (long from sub 0.04 ofc).
[2016-11-25 20:46:24] Sasukeevil : hey, why my etc long position was closed?
[2016-11-25 20:46:49] mjones : and why is there a 23k wall at 0.001184
[2016-11-25 20:46:54] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: yes. a big yes :)
[2016-11-25 20:47:00] RocketScience : there was ADL
[2016-11-25 20:47:01] RocketScience : ?
[2016-11-25 20:47:12] wurstgelee : where?
[2016-11-25 20:47:17] wurstgelee : zec?
[2016-11-25 20:47:18] RocketScience : on etc
[2016-11-25 20:47:20] Tetsuo : ETC
[2016-11-25 20:47:29] RocketScience : red buywall became sellwall
[2016-11-25 20:47:33] wurstgelee : looks like it
[2016-11-25 20:47:38] rms : i tried to sell into the buywall
[2016-11-25 20:47:44] rms : and it disappeared the instant before i clicked sell
[2016-11-25 20:47:57] wurstgelee : shorting etc?
[2016-11-25 20:47:58] rms : someone match me plz?
[2016-11-25 20:48:11] wurstgelee : nope. i would short now tho
[2016-11-25 20:48:15] wurstgelee : *wouldnt
[2016-11-25 20:48:17] wurstgelee : not right now
[2016-11-25 20:48:31] rms : well then you can buy! and we can be zero summed together
[2016-11-25 20:48:32] Sasukeevil : so do I have to long etc again after my long position was auto closed? I'm new here
[2016-11-25 20:48:46] rms : it's less crazy cause i'm long eth so it's mostly a hedge, except when it isn't
[2016-11-25 20:48:55] wurstgelee : ah k :)
[2016-11-25 20:49:08] wurstgelee : also lol @ zerosummed together
[2016-11-25 20:49:11] RocketScience : i wish yo all happy trading!
[2016-11-25 20:49:26] rms : i'm definitely short etc in the long term but it's harder to do that on 7 day contracts
[2016-11-25 20:49:27] RocketScience : i am taking a trading vacation, because i got zero sum
[2016-11-25 20:49:43] CapitalGains : Sasukeevil: Yip, gotta open your position again
[2016-11-25 20:49:59] wurstgelee : RocketScience: i hope you recover soon
[2016-11-25 20:50:11] RocketScience : thank you
[2016-11-25 20:50:13] Sasukeevil : CapitalGains: ok but why was it auto closed?
[2016-11-25 20:50:41] RocketScience : i play with small money and huge leverage
[2016-11-25 20:50:49] RocketScience : i am a student haha :D
[2016-11-25 20:51:02] sleger : RocketScience: enjoy vacation
[2016-11-25 20:51:11] CapitalGains : Because there was a big liquidation and nobody was selling to the liquidation bid, and Bitmex closes highly profitable traders' positions into the bid, it's called ADL
[2016-11-25 20:51:26] RocketScience : it was nice trolling with you all
[2016-11-25 20:51:34] RocketScience : i'll come by sometimes
[2016-11-25 20:51:44] RocketScience : Goodbye
[2016-11-25 20:51:51] wurstgelee : RocketScience: cu :wave:
[2016-11-25 20:51:57] Sasukeevil : CapitalGains: oh...anyway, thanks!
[2016-11-25 20:51:58] wurstgelee : till then
[2016-11-25 20:52:24] RocketScience : :)
[2016-11-25 20:52:47] RocketScience : Time to party!
[2016-11-25 20:54:24] inconspic : so let me get this straight
[2016-11-25 20:54:38] inconspic : if I buy a zec future @ 0.08
[2016-11-25 20:54:57] inconspic : that means I'm betting on that on 30th of dec the price is above 0.08?
[2016-11-25 20:55:47] habibi : inconspic: price will settle at polo price @30 dec so yes, in the meanwhile price can go opposite way here and u have to keep enough margin to not get liquidated
[2016-11-25 20:55:58] imabeast : zec
[2016-11-25 20:56:00] imabeast : pump
[2016-11-25 20:56:39] habibi : contract will settle*
[2016-11-25 20:56:41] inconspic : habibi: ok, thx
[2016-11-25 21:04:06] imabeast : zec spot -> .08
[2016-11-25 21:05:30] Bacon futures trader : imabeast: Isn't spot at polo?
[2016-11-25 21:05:39] imabeast : yea
[2016-11-25 21:05:43] imabeast : its headed to .08
[2016-11-25 21:05:56] wurstgelee : bye bye zec...
[2016-11-25 21:06:38] wurstgelee : long u soon again :)
[2016-11-25 21:08:15] imabeast : i should buy those 42 contracts :D
[2016-11-25 21:08:23] rms : but the zec futures : spot ratio here was 50% for quite a while
[2016-11-25 21:08:24] numero : auf wiedersehen!
[2016-11-25 21:08:34] rms : in the recent pump the ratio went to 65% and has been there for a while now
[2016-11-25 21:08:48] imabeast : yep its catching up
[2016-11-25 21:08:54] rms : but it's arbitrary and i think the futures to spot ratio will diverge again as soon as zec starts to dump
[2016-11-25 21:08:59] rms : and will get closer as soon as zec starts to pump
[2016-11-25 21:14:24] rms : rather... the ratios won't change as soon as the pump or dump starts, but as they happen and start stabilizing the ratios will change
[2016-11-25 21:18:47] inconspic : lol zec is going to be brutal
[2016-11-25 21:21:20] inconspic : the liquidation price, is that on the contract price or the spot?
[2016-11-25 21:21:29] rms : contract
[2016-11-25 21:21:32] wurstgelee : mark price here
[2016-11-25 21:22:04] rms : definitely recommend cross margin here if you have btc positions open to give yourself more room on zcash
[2016-11-25 21:22:51] inconspic : ok, I have no other positions, I just wanted to short zcash
[2016-11-25 21:32:18] imabeast : down goes zec
[2016-11-25 21:33:00] wurstgelee : \o/
[2016-11-25 21:33:25] inconspic : imabeast: thing of beauty
[2016-11-25 21:33:50] wurstgelee : i am short as well but i dont feel to safe yet tbh
[2016-11-25 21:33:54] wurstgelee : *too
[2016-11-25 21:34:16] imabeast : think we drop to at least .1 on spot
[2016-11-25 21:34:24] imabeast : prob a baby bounce from there
[2016-11-25 21:34:34] wurstgelee : yeah me to. but part of me knows ZEc is a beast
[2016-11-25 21:34:38] wurstgelee : a real beast
[2016-11-25 21:34:45] inconspic : wurstgelee: a retarded beast
[2016-11-25 21:34:49] imabeast : lol
[2016-11-25 21:36:58] wurstgelee : tell that the 1000s of liquidated short here
[2016-11-25 21:36:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-25 21:40:03] zcashequalslambo : its shorting spree on zec
[2016-11-25 21:40:09] zcashequalslambo : i think bitmex people are panickers
[2016-11-25 21:40:46] inconspic : the best kind of adversaries
[2016-11-25 21:41:49] zcashequalslambo : zec is having long setup once again
[2016-11-25 21:44:19] wurstgelee : not yet
[2016-11-25 21:46:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 1060 @ 751.16
[2016-11-25 21:47:01] zcashequalslambo : what is this liquidation ^
[2016-11-25 21:47:14] zcashequalslambo : xbt is 734
[2016-11-25 21:47:14] Tetsuo : it´s a liquidation
[2016-11-25 21:47:21] zcashequalslambo : but why at this price
[2016-11-25 21:47:31] rms : someone was doing 100x leverage
[2016-11-25 21:47:32] Tetsuo : because z16 is tradin at this price
[2016-11-25 21:47:35] Apocalyptic : it's Z16
[2016-11-25 21:47:55] Tetsuo : because z16 is on it´s way to 1000$!!!! u fools
[2016-11-25 21:48:03] zcashequalslambo : oo
[2016-11-25 21:48:06] zcashequalslambo : o cool
[2016-11-25 21:48:13] Tetsuo : u heard it here first
[2016-11-25 21:51:46] zcashequalslambo : omg it was 0.12 today for zec
[2016-11-25 21:52:02] zcashequalslambo : i had shorts on 0.12 for zec but it didnt sell mines
[2016-11-25 21:52:08] inconspic : zcashequalslambo: :<
[2016-11-25 21:52:12] zcashequalslambo : omg im gonna sit a the corner and cry
[2016-11-25 21:52:32] inconspic : yeah, I saw that but I was at work and had no time to short it
[2016-11-25 21:53:13] zcashequalslambo : ill just price few cents lower this time
[2016-11-25 21:53:24] zcashequalslambo : 12999
[2016-11-25 21:55:08] micmix : habibi: grats on winning the contest!
[2016-11-25 21:55:36] habibi : micmix: pure luck but thanks ;)
[2016-11-25 21:56:06] sleger : pure luck... not so sure, it was a troll contest after all
[2016-11-25 21:57:01] micmix : and grats CaptainDean on winning my personal contest, you got your 0.5 btc by now ;-)
[2016-11-25 22:00:43] micmix : ok, so it was trollboxer with a big ZEC short. that was brutal :-(
[2016-11-25 22:03:00] sleger : some troll (the winner troll actually) is not convinced of that
[2016-11-25 22:04:06] micmix : I think ZEC was the biggest liquidation. I can check REKT logs to be sure
[2016-11-25 22:11:00] CaptainDean : micmix: Hats off to you ! Men of your words !!! thanks
[2016-11-25 22:12:13] micmix : yes, zec short 4360 @ 0.068073 was the largest (297 BTC), second largest was XBTUSD long 84739 @ 730.78 (116 BTC)
[2016-11-25 22:12:27] micmix : CaptainDean: enjoy ;-)
[2016-11-25 22:12:57] sleger : micmix: habibi thinks maybe largest liq didnt agree to being published so trollboxer is #2
[2016-11-25 22:13:12] micmix : ah ok, that's possible
[2016-11-25 22:13:18] habibi : lol
[2016-11-25 22:14:24] wurstgelee : i am glad i can switch stances from short to long and back without any hesitation :p
[2016-11-25 22:14:40] micmix : in that case trollboxer might be in green thanks to 2 btc prize if that XBTUSD long was 100x. I'm too lazy to do the actual math
[2016-11-25 22:15:24] wurstgelee : micmix: @CaptainDean what was it?
[2016-11-25 22:15:39] wurstgelee : on dec 6th?
[2016-11-25 22:15:41] Tetsuo : sci-fi book
[2016-11-25 22:15:45] Tetsuo : babylon ashes something
[2016-11-25 22:15:47] wurstgelee : ahh k
[2016-11-25 22:15:53] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-11-25 22:15:57] wurstgelee : now i can finally sleep
[2016-11-25 22:16:20] micmix : yep, the next book in The Expanse series. best sci-fi I read this decade
[2016-11-25 22:16:56] micmix : there is a tv show as well for people who don't read
[2016-11-25 22:17:02] inconspic : micmix: the expanse is really good
[2016-11-25 22:17:12] wurstgelee : i used to read but then i started hacking numbers into my computer to buy and sell other numbers
[2016-11-25 22:17:12] inconspic : read the books and seen the series :)
[2016-11-25 22:17:29] micmix : inconspic: :+1:
[2016-11-25 22:17:37] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: story of my life
[2016-11-25 22:17:38] wurstgelee : wb zec? ;)
[2016-11-25 22:17:52] wurstgelee : maybe