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[2015-10-28 00:29:32] AudibleScience : macios15: are you here man?
[2015-10-28 00:49:08] wurstgelee : lol
[2015-10-28 00:49:35] wurstgelee : i hate i when you make the mark price jump @ XBT 100x
[2015-10-28 00:49:43] wurstgelee : oO
[2015-10-28 00:50:15] wurstgelee : really, fair price needs to be adjusted in smaller steps...not > $1 out of nowhere
[2015-10-28 01:02:22] lockhedge : <code>BIX</code> at 297.44, again faster than TradeBlock? https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/
[2015-10-28 01:05:10] lockhedge : process for fair price adjustment should really be optimized & more transparent. any plans for improvements, BitMEX?
[2015-10-28 01:08:09] SnackyCoins : yesterday wally was mentioning something to that tune
[2015-10-28 01:08:45] lockhedge : now <code>XBX</code> at 298.61 and <code>BIX</code> at 298.73 at nearly the same level again
[2015-10-28 01:09:08] SnackyCoins : he also said they like tblk because it's smoother/less liquidations, but that bix was good for market making (? paraphrasing)
[2015-10-28 01:09:30] SnackyCoins : maybe slight misquote :) but somewhere in that realm
[2015-10-28 01:14:41] lockhedge : it might be true, we are still testing. a smoother index really might be better for less liquidation, but it should be transparent.
[2015-10-28 01:15:48] lockhedge : we know the weighting of the S&P 500 index, but we don't know XBX's weighting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26P_500_Index#Weighting
[2015-10-28 01:17:35] micmix : @lockhedge Thanks for working on the open-source index! Is it on GitHub?
[2015-10-28 01:19:10] lockhedge : not yet, coming end of next week
[2015-10-28 01:20:25] micmix : very cool! (BTW, you might know me as miratrader)
[2015-10-28 01:23:29] lockhedge : welcome back, mi...
[2015-10-28 01:23:40] rari : Having a great experience with this exchange so far. Keep up the great work
[2015-10-28 01:26:00] micmix : lockhedge: I cleared the miratrader account for now, preparing to run bots on it. Don't want to mix discretionary and algo trading on one account.
[2015-10-28 01:26:14] lockhedge : <code>BIX</code> at 300.24, <code>XBX</code> at 299..97
[2015-10-28 01:27:10] lockhedge : micmix: you should just tell BitMEX support, or it might be seen as TOS violation
[2015-10-28 01:31:58] micmix : ok, a question to BitMEX_Arthur, BitMEX_Wally, BitMEX_Sam: can one person open more than one account to simplify reporting? Of course the person's real name and country of residence will be provided for all accounts.
[2015-10-28 01:32:29] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: That's fine
[2015-10-28 01:32:39] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: thanks
[2015-10-28 04:08:41] AbuAli : why when i'm on profit and i found my wallet is going decrees ?
[2015-10-28 04:09:36] AbuAli : after i make close market
[2015-10-28 04:09:40] AbuAli : i go to wallet
[2015-10-28 04:09:48] AbuAli : and i found it increase ?!
[2015-10-28 04:09:53] AbuAli : decrease *
[2015-10-28 04:09:54] AbuAli : sorry
[2015-10-28 04:15:08] BitMEX_Wally : AbuAli: Profits are withheld until settlement
[2015-10-28 04:15:21] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-10-28 06:25:27] malakas : max leverage is 100 now?
[2015-10-28 06:29:58] FoCheezyBreezy : On XBT24H, yes.
[2015-10-28 06:30:25] FoCheezyBreezy : On XBT7D, it's 50x, and it's 25x on all the monthly contracts.
[2015-10-28 07:37:04] priceaction : how much colleteral would i for xbtz15 if if my btc target is above 400?
[2015-10-28 08:23:43] zanza : however much you want to put in
[2015-10-28 08:28:28] jung1 : - 0.05%
[2015-10-28 09:07:42] malakas : thanks where do you think btc is heading today?
[2015-10-28 09:16:51] wykop.pl : west
[2015-10-28 09:17:00] malakas : lol
[2015-10-28 10:18:57] gustavo7 : boop
[2015-10-28 10:19:16] jung1 : I like green
[2015-10-28 10:27:10] malakas : crazy swings today
[2015-10-28 10:29:35] kogroken : pretty big askwall on V15 (100k)
[2015-10-28 10:52:48] BitMEX_Wally : kogroken: Yeah, they would do better place that on `XBT7D` which expires at the same time
[2015-10-28 10:52:50] BitMEX_Wally : But has more leverage and more liquidity
[2015-10-28 11:40:30] j8 : BitMEX_Wally: can you take a look at my account at 10:23 GMT today. i got into a forced liquidation state but nothing was liquidated. was closing part of an isolated position
[2015-10-28 11:47:06] gaoMex : Trying to find a quarterly quanto LTC contract. Any idea where?
[2015-10-28 12:01:38] escalicha : settlement its done?
[2015-10-28 12:02:08] MystPhysX : Yeah at 302
[2015-10-28 12:02:21] macios15 : jep but fair too high i think
[2015-10-28 12:02:38] MystPhysX : Definitely
[2015-10-28 12:02:52] MystPhysX : 305-306 is more realistic
[2015-10-28 12:02:56] escalicha : One hour early than normal?
[2015-10-28 12:03:15] MystPhysX : No it settles at this time everyday
[2015-10-28 12:03:50] MystPhysX : 12:00 UTC
[2015-10-28 12:04:18] escalicha : Spain moves his cloak past weekend
[2015-10-28 12:04:26] wykop.pl : cloak
[2015-10-28 12:04:27] wykop.pl : LOL
[2015-10-28 12:04:49] escalicha : clock*
[2015-10-28 12:04:51] macios15 : nb can even enter short daily
[2015-10-28 12:05:01] macios15 : fcuking fair price
[2015-10-28 12:05:06] wykop.pl : better than cock
[2015-10-28 12:10:01] MystPhysX : Is an admin going to change the fair price indicator?
[2015-10-28 12:10:18] macios15 : daily pretty fcuked up
[2015-10-28 12:10:47] macios15 : nooo it went down now 0.02 lol
[2015-10-28 12:12:30] hashman : 24hr settles for 302, instantly starts trading again at 307 wtf
[2015-10-28 12:13:01] MystPhysX : They've changed it before, probably going to do it again. I'll wait for that before entering.
[2015-10-28 12:14:17] j8 : if you uncheck Isolate Margin you can place the order
[2015-10-28 12:16:13] MystPhysX : I was thinking of putting all my BTC into an order so that wouldn't work would it?
[2015-10-28 12:16:49] j8 : no you will have less margin, some will cover the initial "loss"
[2015-10-28 12:16:52] macios15 : they cant change it now becouse people already entered positions
[2015-10-28 12:17:10] j8 : of course they can
[2015-10-28 12:17:20] MystPhysX : ^
[2015-10-28 12:17:23] wurstgelee : this intransparant adjustment of fair price is crap
[2015-10-28 12:17:35] MystPhysX : They've done it before, like on Monday I believe.
[2015-10-28 12:17:36] wurstgelee : completely unpredictable for traders
[2015-10-28 12:17:41] macios15 : fair could be based by huobi only
[2015-10-28 12:17:57] wurstgelee : they did it twice (at least) yesterday
[2015-10-28 12:18:15] macios15 : soo they liq some people
[2015-10-28 12:18:17] wurstgelee : jumped ~$1.50, had a short open both times
[2015-10-28 12:18:38] macios15 : ok, its good now
[2015-10-28 12:18:41] MystPhysX : Adjusted
[2015-10-28 12:18:51] wurstgelee : lol
[2015-10-28 12:19:15] wurstgelee : seriously...:(
[2015-10-28 12:23:03] MystPhysX : Adjusted again?
[2015-10-28 12:24:06] macios15 : noo, bids down
[2015-10-28 12:26:18] macios15 : 600 btc sell wall eaten in 1 minut
[2015-10-28 12:59:26] dmasters1 : how do I switch on desktop notification of trades/orders
[2015-10-28 13:02:56] j8 : in your browser, you have to give it permission. for example in chrome you click the green lock beside the URL
[2015-10-28 13:47:37] dmasters1 : didi that, it shows allow, reloaded page, still no notification
[2015-10-28 13:48:58] BitMEX_Sam : So when you click the lock @dmasters1 you see "Allowed by you" under notifications?
[2015-10-28 13:50:26] dmasters1 : yes
[2015-10-28 13:51:19] BitMEX_Sam : Should be fine then, try making a tiny order high in the book and seeing if you get any notification
[2015-10-28 13:51:29] dmasters1 : i did but nothing
[2015-10-28 13:51:40] dmasters1 : oddly I am sure this was working before
[2015-10-28 13:53:30] BitMEX_Sam : That is odd - working here, not seeing any errors coming down the pipe
[2015-10-28 13:53:35] BitMEX_Sam : Try restarting the browser?
[2015-10-28 13:54:16] dmasters1 : ok wll do later, thanks
[2015-10-28 14:00:16] justinlooking : maybe try test with this: http://jsbin.com/ziwod/2/edit?html,js,output
[2015-10-28 14:13:11] sleger : any idea why premium in 24H is lower today ?
[2015-10-28 14:13:56] wurstgelee : sleger: changes several times a day apparently
[2015-10-28 14:14:21] sleger : Sorry i meant the real price premium, not what they call the "fair" price
[2015-10-28 14:14:28] wurstgelee : ah k
[2015-10-28 14:15:03] sleger : it's been around 2 since contract reopened 2 hours ago, although spot is getting higher, yesterday it was often around 4
[2015-10-28 15:55:12] jung1 : nice profit widget on chart
[2015-10-28 16:11:44] BitMEX_Sam : Here's the dump
[2015-10-28 16:12:01] macios15 : jep, corection ahead, glad for 307 short
[2015-10-28 16:14:26] wurstgelee : glad for 301.41 long :p
[2015-10-28 16:16:36] nickhnt : yeah me too
[2015-10-28 16:16:41] nickhnt : glad for the dip
[2015-10-28 16:17:01] wurstgelee : dont care about dip or peak, both are good ;)
[2015-10-28 16:18:06] AbuAli : hi guys
[2015-10-28 16:18:12] BitMEX_Sam : Mornin
[2015-10-28 16:18:14] Trigerfire : hey doods
[2015-10-28 16:18:26] nickhnt : hello
[2015-10-28 16:19:51] AbuAli : i have a problem
[2015-10-28 16:20:11] sleger : i dont
[2015-10-28 16:20:19] AbuAli : good for you
[2015-10-28 16:20:44] sleger : then maybe you should state your problem ?
[2015-10-28 16:21:20] AbuAli : 10 mins ago, i was 170% ROE, but once i closed the position, i lost
[2015-10-28 16:21:28] AbuAli : i was long
[2015-10-28 16:21:34] AbuAli : sorry short
[2015-10-28 16:21:55] sleger : because unrealised pnl is based on "fair price" whereas market price can be different
[2015-10-28 16:22:12] sleger : and the market moved sharply around that time
[2015-10-28 16:22:36] wurstgelee : AbuAli: check your order history, where did u open and where did u close your short?
[2015-10-28 16:22:46] wurstgelee : which price?
[2015-10-28 16:22:58] nickhnt : if you want to close your position, look at the order book and make an order with exact the same amount of contracts but with the opposite direction
[2015-10-28 16:23:11] nickhnt : example, if you want to close a long, make a short position
[2015-10-28 16:24:13] AbuAli : so i do not click on close market
[2015-10-28 16:24:33] AbuAli : i just do opposite to my position ?
[2015-10-28 16:24:53] BitMEX_Wally : AbuAli: Yes, you can use 'Close Market' or you can place a 'Limit' order for the opposite side of your posiiton
[2015-10-28 16:25:43] BitMEX_Wally : If you use 'Close Market' then you get whatever price the market is trading it, which may be worse than the Fair Price which is used for PNL calculations
[2015-10-28 16:25:59] nickhnt : you can do it both wasy, but I always do this way because I can see where my order is going to match
[2015-10-28 16:26:09] BitMEX_Wally : If you are long 1000 contracts then you just sell 1000 contracts to close
[2015-10-28 16:26:18] AbuAli : for example now i shorted 20k contracts entry price 303.3, and it was 170% ROE, then i went and closed the market but i lost, in the history the closing price was 305.27
[2015-10-28 16:26:37] BitMEX_Sam : You must have closed it right at a spike.
[2015-10-28 16:27:25] nickhnt : yeah because nobody was selling for you at the price you wanted
[2015-10-28 16:27:43] sleger : because the market did not agree with the fair price
[2015-10-28 16:27:56] BitMEX_Sam : It's best, in general, to enter a limit order into the book at the price you want and to let the market hit your order - you're less likely to have the market meet your price, but if it does, you'll close much more favorably
[2015-10-28 16:29:00] AbuAli : alright now im starting to understand
[2015-10-28 16:29:06] BitMEX_Wally : AbuAli: Your closing price was 304.41 (on average). The 305 was the order limit price on the close market
[2015-10-28 16:29:33] AbuAli : yes
[2015-10-28 16:30:24] AbuAli : for example, now i short 10k entry price 305.27 , ROE is 44.59%
[2015-10-28 16:30:58] AbuAli : then i need to long 10k at lower price in order to profit that ?
[2015-10-28 16:31:27] sleger : bravo
[2015-10-28 16:31:38] wurstgelee : or market close but check there is a sufficient order with desired price in place ;)
[2015-10-28 16:31:58] nickhnt : you can close your position little by little if you want
[2015-10-28 16:31:59] AbuAli : yes
[2015-10-28 16:32:08] AbuAli : thank you
[2015-10-28 16:32:30] nickhnt : always
[2015-10-28 16:40:10] AbuAli : ok now all good
[2015-10-28 16:40:27] AbuAli : so i can, short and then long at my own price and wait for it
[2015-10-28 16:40:39] wurstgelee : yes
[2015-10-28 16:40:56] AbuAli : entry at 303 then i just set long at 305 , then i just wait it to hit that price
[2015-10-28 16:41:15] AbuAli : sorry long at 300
[2015-10-28 16:41:25] wurstgelee : yes, but it might go lower and you get liquidated eventually
[2015-10-28 16:41:43] wurstgelee : only workd if market moves in your direction, but i assume you know that
[2015-10-28 16:42:17] AbuAli : yes
[2015-10-28 16:47:37] justinlooking : la marche aléatoire
[2015-10-28 16:51:48] sleger : nothing is purely random
[2015-10-28 17:16:44] macios15 : huobi 5k sell wall at some point
[2015-10-28 17:33:14] sleger : in which datacenter are the matching engines of bitmex ?
[2015-10-28 17:34:34] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: AWS eu-west-1
[2015-10-28 17:34:42] escalicha : 24 Liquidity?
[2015-10-28 17:35:11] escalicha : 3 usd spread
[2015-10-28 17:35:15] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: thanks
[2015-10-28 17:35:19] escalicha : or better, 8 dolar spread
[2015-10-28 17:35:32] escalicha : BitMEX_Sam: what happens?
[2015-10-28 17:35:32] sleger : escalicha: ?
[2015-10-28 17:35:42] sleger : i see 0.5 spread
[2015-10-28 17:35:49] BitMEX_Sam : MM was likely resetting orders
[2015-10-28 17:36:07] escalicha : 24h liquidity @sleger is 3 usd spreed for few minutes
[2015-10-28 17:36:37] escalicha : and only 33 contracts...
[2015-10-28 17:36:49] escalicha : 8 usd for 4500 contracts
[2015-10-28 17:37:37] escalicha : I was on 7D window, sorry, but its the same, imposible trading
[2015-10-28 17:54:12] sleger : post orders then
[2015-10-28 18:20:49] BitMEX_Sam : 7d is looking healthy
[2015-10-28 18:21:08] sleger : he means v15 i bet
[2015-10-28 18:27:47] escalicha : Now its fixed, but no half our ago!
[2015-10-28 18:28:05] escalicha : You know it, talk with the MM to to it better
[2015-10-28 18:38:35] macios15 : very nice bounce from that 1949 straight moon
[2015-10-28 18:40:43] wurstgelee : bounce was 1970ish
[2015-10-28 18:41:17] wurstgelee : seems stable now, might go either direction from there, probably up
[2015-10-28 18:47:04] macios15 : probably down
[2015-10-28 18:59:52] wurstgelee : mh...no
[2015-10-28 18:59:54] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-10-28 19:02:02] nickhnt : btc can drop anytime
[2015-10-28 19:02:10] nickhnt : doesnt feel very strong
[2015-10-28 19:02:31] nickhnt : I mean, it doesnt bounce very high but at the same time doenst fell as hard as I was expecting
[2015-10-28 19:03:17] nickhnt : didnt*
[2015-10-28 19:03:51] macios15 : nickhnt: i think 1900 is plausible today
[2015-10-28 19:04:54] nickhnt : macios15: yes it can be, but first need to break the previous high that was 1945
[2015-10-28 19:06:42] macios15 : nickhnt: jep, i noticed that nobody catched this knife, and i didnt bounced
[2015-10-28 19:17:43] BitMEX_Sam : https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/ has been updated
[2015-10-28 19:17:52] BitMEX_Sam : Gives a nice view & more details on how the XBX index is weighted
[2015-10-28 20:29:49] wurstgelee : now we only need something similar for fair basis ;)
[2015-10-28 20:35:21] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - we have some ideas in the pipeline, we'll keep you all updated
[2015-10-28 20:36:40] lockhedge : congrats, Tradeblock. good first step towards open source :)
[2015-10-28 20:40:55] nickhnt : it would be nice if we could sort the positions table, order history table, etc
[2015-10-28 20:41:01] nickhnt : and filter too
[2015-10-28 20:42:37] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, I'd like to do that as well - it is soon time to move to a new table structure
[2015-10-28 21:03:16] Original_Wolf : Is there a fee everytime I order contracts?
[2015-10-28 21:03:21] Original_Wolf : How does this whole bidding thing work...?
[2015-10-28 21:05:10] sleger : Original_Wolf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finance
[2015-10-28 21:20:23] lockhedge : this bidding thing is an <code>open order book</code> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_book_(trading) with <code>limit orders</code> you can start with BitMEX Testnet, try and learn, without any risk to lose real money
[2015-10-28 21:23:37] lockhedge : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_(exchange)#Limit_order https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2015-10-28 22:31:59] sleger : MM dead ?
[2015-10-28 22:41:11] wurstgelee : yes, bring MM back please ;)
[2015-10-28 22:41:20] Original_Wolf : mm?
[2015-10-28 22:41:37] wurstgelee : market maker
[2015-10-28 22:41:45] wurstgelee : the 10k order bot
[2015-10-28 22:41:45] Original_Wolf : whats that mean
[2015-10-28 22:41:58] Original_Wolf : o-O
[2015-10-28 22:43:03] wurstgelee : there it is
[2015-10-28 22:43:07] lockhedge : wurstgelee: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+market+maker
[2015-10-28 22:43:20] wurstgelee : ?
[2015-10-28 22:44:01] wurstgelee : was that link for me?
[2015-10-28 22:44:55] lockhedge : no, sorry. it was for Original_Wolf
[2015-10-28 22:46:54] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-10-28 22:51:10] nickhnt : so
[2015-10-28 22:51:16] nickhnt : who bought the dip? :)
[2015-10-28 22:54:54] wurstgelee : which dip?
[2015-10-28 22:55:14] wurstgelee : to 296 @ stamp earlier the day?
[2015-10-28 22:56:05] Original_Wolf : I'm glad this isn't S&P
[2015-10-28 22:56:12] Original_Wolf : Because I'm pretty sure, we all bought the dip.
[2015-10-28 23:06:45] lockhedge : XBX went below 303.99, BIX above 304.5, let's see where we are heading ;)
[2015-10-28 23:35:15] ksinvest : XBX at 304.56, BIX at 304.93
[2015-10-28 23:43:58] fyrstikken : Hey, you guys know that Bitmex has a teamspeak at ts.bitmex.com right?
[2015-10-28 23:47:29] wurstgelee : i didnt
[2015-10-28 23:48:11] macios15 : Hey,you guys know that we hit 2k cny again
[2015-10-28 23:48:43] nickhnt : time to dump?
[2015-10-28 23:49:14] wurstgelee : no, 2000 just got smashed
[2015-10-28 23:49:18] wurstgelee : not yet
[2015-10-28 23:49:46] macios15 : at 2020-2030
[2015-10-28 23:49:53] wurstgelee : probably
[2015-10-28 23:50:00] wurstgelee : or more likely
[2015-10-28 23:50:08] wurstgelee : it might push higher tho
[2015-10-28 23:50:40] macios15 : we dont hit that double top imo
[2015-10-28 23:51:51] nickhnt : when the volume starts lets see how far it goes
[2015-10-28 23:57:34] macios15 : nickhnt: look shi im out
[2015-10-28 23:58:24] lockhedge : XBX 304.94, BIX 305.17 they are closer again :)
[2015-10-29 00:30:50] macios15 : 5k sell wall at 2000cny
[2015-10-29 00:34:25] Original_Wolf : I don't understand any of this speak :c'
[2015-10-29 00:36:09] wurstgelee : ill translate it for you: there was a 5000 btc sell order @ huobi (chinese exchange) placed @ 2000 CNY
[2015-10-29 00:38:26] macios15 : its still there but little bit higher
[2015-10-29 00:40:02] lockhedge : you'll never now if this is spoofing or an order that really waits to get filled
[2015-10-29 00:40:17] lockhedge : you'll never know...
[2015-10-29 00:41:28] macios15 : lockhedge: yes but it looks soo strange to me when huobi go higher and higher when ask/bid ratio is like 10 to 1
[2015-10-29 00:44:44] macios15 : all looks soo fake, sb sell 200 btc at once? bids are only like 50, huobi dont give fcuk price dont change even 0.01
[2015-10-29 00:49:12] lockhedge : OKC is breaking 2000 again
[2015-10-29 00:50:43] lockhedge : XBX at 303.95, BIX at 304.65
[2015-10-29 00:52:08] macios15 : lockhedge: oh, its easy to break new lvl when you can only buy on exchange, when u sell it dosent afect price lol
[2015-10-29 00:53:53] lockhedge : macios15: where can you only buy but not sell?
[2015-10-29 00:54:23] macios15 : lockhedge: huobi
[2015-10-29 00:55:36] macios15 : lockhedge: look when sb sell 100+ it dosent afect price
[2015-10-29 00:59:09] lockhedge : well, when somebody sells normally somebody else buys - or no trade will happen. don't know how it works on huobi. do you think it's fake volume?
[2015-10-29 01:00:49] macios15 : lockhedge: yes, look at 1W volume from 200k-400k week to about 2mln+
[2015-10-29 01:04:35] wurstgelee : thats still trading
[2015-10-29 01:04:44] wurstgelee : buying own sells and vice versa
[2015-10-29 01:04:57] wurstgelee : artificial volume, yes - fake? no.
[2015-10-29 01:12:59] macios15 : i didnt posted it before look at this http://scr.hu/3e9p/enhcq from 30 sep
[2015-10-29 01:16:46] macios15 : looks like we are going above 1k at this one
[2015-10-29 01:17:54] macios15 : 3d stoch rsi wasnt soo flat at 100 even at gox bubble or april 2013
[2015-10-29 02:37:11] laisee : maybe huobi order book never sees orders b4 matching engine? so price doesn't move before matching happens.
[2015-10-29 02:45:29] laisee : Huobi volume could be fake, or artificial, but its definitely misleading if vol is so high and price doesn't move around much.
[2015-10-29 03:30:18] macios15 : aboce 2020cnt, daily dont give shit
[2015-10-29 04:53:40] macios15 : 2029 daily still same price
[2015-10-29 05:15:33] BitMEX_Wally : laisee: If orders entered the order book before matching then you would see a crossed book
[2015-10-29 05:16:38] BitMEX_Wally : For example, if the offer is 5 @ 300 and I place a bid 3 @ 301 then you will not see my bid in the order book at all.
[2015-10-29 05:17:07] BitMEX_Wally : You would just see the offer go from 5 @ 300 to 2 @ 300
[2015-10-29 05:49:59] laisee : wally> unfilled odes should go into ode book automatically and move he bid/ask. maybe their order book is not updated automatically?
[2015-10-29 05:52:24] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, the unfilled remainder should go in the order book. But these Chinese exchanges all fake volume
[2015-10-29 05:53:35] BitMEX_Wally : If a trade of 100 happens, they count it as 200 (buy and sell separately) in order to double their volumes...
[2015-10-29 05:54:22] BitMEX_Wally : http://www.coindesk.com/asian-exchanges-adopt-controversial-counting-method-futures-trades/
[2015-10-29 06:02:37] ethexio : What's with the 7500 orders, that'll disappear - then reappear?
[2015-10-29 06:24:25] VanCleef : yo iswhaleclub down?
[2015-10-29 06:26:19] BitMEX_Wally : VanCleef: `cannot resolve ts.whaleclub.co: Unknown host`
[2015-10-29 06:26:44] BitMEX_Wally : Seems like a DNS issue
[2015-10-29 06:26:52] BitMEX_Wally : They're welcome to use `ts.bitmex.com` if they want more stable hosting
[2015-10-29 06:28:24] BitMEX_Wally : ethexio: It's a market maker who posts 7500 orders, and pulls and resubmits when updating prices
[2015-10-29 08:13:53] wurstgelee : why is fair praise only ~$0.6 today?
[2015-10-29 08:13:58] wurstgelee : price ofc
[2015-10-29 08:17:06] lockhedge : it's always closer to spot when closer to settlement
[2015-10-29 08:17:25] wurstgelee : it was way higher yesterday this time
[2015-10-29 08:18:51] lockhedge : interesting, mid price is even below BIX (spot) https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/
[2015-10-29 08:21:32] lockhedge : XBT7D mid price is about 1$ below fair price
[2015-10-29 08:26:48] wurstgelee : the XBT index seems a little low to me as well.. its only $.50 above stamp and ~ 13$ below china
[2015-10-29 08:28:06] wurstgelee : no, its $0.24 above stamp
[2015-10-29 09:19:28] lockhedge : finally Tradeblock's XBX (reference for XBT spot) at 309.63 (BIX at 310.56)
[2015-10-29 09:20:48] lockhedge : XBX is not ignoring China anymore...
[2015-10-29 09:21:53] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-10-29 09:21:56] wurstgelee : was bout time :)
[2015-10-29 09:37:48] macios15 : i bet for corection at 2100 cny whos with me?
[2015-10-29 09:44:54] justinlooking : fortune favours the brave
[2015-10-29 09:53:09] dmasters1 : is there a widget for bitmex exchange-wide volume?
[2015-10-29 10:03:21] BitMEX_Wally : We have an API for volume but no widget. Check out this site which shows our data: http://exchangewar.info/#bitmex
[2015-10-29 10:08:55] zanza : i can't figure out this upward price pressure
[2015-10-29 10:08:59] macios15 : when my ralised pnl is at minus, and i got settlement my balance will change?
[2015-10-29 10:09:06] zanza : it doesn't look like OK-coin
[2015-10-29 10:30:07] macios15 : why dail is still at same price when huobi was on 2014, this fair price is shit
[2015-10-29 10:38:33] j8 : CNY markets aren't included in the index
[2015-10-29 10:39:14] MystPhysX : Pity about that
[2015-10-29 10:40:23] j8 : it's better in a way since you don't have to worry about USD/CNY
[2015-10-29 10:41:39] macios15 : very good idea, sell 400 on finex change price by 2 usd :)
[2015-10-29 10:55:42] BitMEX_Wally : macios15: If you have negative realisedPnl then at settlement your wallet balance will not change
[2015-10-29 10:56:50] BitMEX_Wally : If there is demand we could launch a future that settles on an XBTCNY index
[2015-10-29 10:57:45] MystPhysX : Oh I would like that
[2015-10-29 10:58:43] wykop.pl : better to wait for improved liquidity on usd
[2015-10-29 11:14:55] cengel : Wally i think that would be great. Its a different animal from BTCUSD
[2015-10-29 11:15:40] cengel : But I also lobbied to get BVOL7D so I'm not a great gauge of product demand
[2015-10-29 11:16:44] cengel : Wally the basis on XBTZ15, XBTH16 looks a bit out of step currently
[2015-10-29 11:33:22] cengel : Did you see LakeBTC is offering a "maker only" switch for order execution? That would be cool to have here too since there's a maker/taker model
[2015-10-29 11:54:33] wurstgelee : so we have a negative fair price of 5 cents now? ;)
[2015-10-29 11:54:49] wurstgelee : 6 cents
[2015-10-29 11:56:47] j8 : it's because it's the indicative settle price for the last half hour
[2015-10-29 11:57:39] j8 : although fair basis can be negative.. it's not in this case
[2015-10-29 11:57:56] wurstgelee : my bad
[2015-10-29 11:57:58] wurstgelee : youre right
[2015-10-29 11:58:35] wurstgelee : i wonder if fair price jumps again in a min ;)
[2015-10-29 11:58:57] j8 : it will, since they set an annualized rate
[2015-10-29 11:59:15] j8 : which is at 450% currently
[2015-10-29 12:00:01] j8 : doesn't really matter since no one has positions after settlement, and the market will quickly decide on a premium
[2015-10-29 12:00:15] wurstgelee : yep ofc
[2015-10-29 12:00:27] wurstgelee : $4 up
[2015-10-29 12:00:45] wurstgelee : corrected
[2015-10-29 12:00:50] wurstgelee : $2
[2015-10-29 12:01:42] diggy : i made a withdrawal but my e-mail provider is not available. can i cancel it s
[2015-10-29 12:02:06] j8 : send an email to support
[2015-10-29 12:02:28] j8 : lol
[2015-10-29 12:02:33] wurstgelee : lol :D
[2015-10-29 12:20:33] BitMEX_Wally : diggy: I just resolved your support request, check your email
[2015-10-29 12:21:19] j8 : he can't check his email, that's the point
[2015-10-29 12:21:26] MystPhysX : Lol
[2015-10-29 12:27:53] wurstgelee : :D :D :D
[2015-10-29 12:32:38] macios15 : sb opened 313.5 25k 10 sec before drop great
[2015-10-29 12:32:42] macios15 : long
[2015-10-29 12:32:51] macios15 : daily ofc
[2015-10-29 12:34:00] zanza : whoa that drop
[2015-10-29 12:34:34] zanza : went from 310 to 305 like instantly
[2015-10-29 12:34:44] zanza : i bet there will be huge walls at 310
[2015-10-29 12:34:58] wurstgelee : the wall @ 310 wa almost down
[2015-10-29 12:35:01] wurstgelee : was
[2015-10-29 12:35:12] macios15 : jep again corection drop, nothing big deal
[2015-10-29 12:35:26] macios15 : good to start long now
[2015-10-29 12:35:58] wurstgelee : yep. thats wht i did
[2015-10-29 12:36:02] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-10-29 12:36:48] macios15 : that guy what opened 313.5 25k long 10 sec before drop RIP
[2015-10-29 12:37:06] wurstgelee : excellent rebound
[2015-10-29 12:37:35] macios15 : wurstgelee: we can bonuce 2020 again
[2015-10-29 12:37:44] macios15 : wurstgelee: but dont pass it
[2015-10-29 12:43:32] wurstgelee : i think we're good
[2015-10-29 12:43:33] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-10-29 12:44:45] macios15 : going straight now for that 2100 then corection
[2015-10-29 13:07:17] wurstgelee : welll....that long turned out to be great :)
[2015-10-29 13:24:54] macios15 : 1k $ by december
[2015-10-29 13:25:14] macios15 : wurstgelee: jep 100%
[2015-10-29 13:25:50] nickhnt : yeah better enter these long contracts :)
[2015-10-29 13:26:58] macios15 : nickhnt: http://scr.hu/3e9p/enhcq mark my words
[2015-10-29 13:27:16] macios15 : nickhnt: 99% im bear but now not
[2015-10-29 13:27:31] nickhnt : macios15: the trend has changed
[2015-10-29 13:27:31] nickhnt : for now
[2015-10-29 13:30:03] macios15 : rip 258$ shorters, 16k shorts going to be fcuked up
[2015-10-29 13:31:43] nickhnt : 2 years of bear market can turn any bull into a bear hehe
[2015-10-29 13:32:01] nickhnt : they need to rewire theirs heads
[2015-10-29 13:49:20] nickhnt : wow 120k contracts
[2015-10-29 13:49:40] j8 : i'm guessing it's a liquidation
[2015-10-29 13:50:07] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-10-29 13:50:10] wurstgelee : probably
[2015-10-29 13:50:22] wurstgelee : liquidated shorts
[2015-10-29 13:50:26] sleger : that will teach him to be short
[2015-10-29 13:51:18] j8 : very easy to be liquidated on a long at 100x too
[2015-10-29 13:51:54] wurstgelee : for shorters: http://i.imgur.com/Zm1YJ3y.jpg
[2015-10-29 13:51:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-10-29 13:52:31] macios15 : wurstgelee: it could drop now any time
[2015-10-29 13:53:29] macios15 : who get that 317,43 short i think, great decision
[2015-10-29 13:53:43] nickhnt : yeah who got it?
[2015-10-29 13:54:07] BitMEX_Wally : Someone who is using less than 100x leverage
[2015-10-29 13:55:05] wurstgelee : macios15: im good, everything closed ;)
[2015-10-29 13:55:48] macios15 : wurstgelee: that rise was sick, that chickun still got some legs
[2015-10-29 13:56:01] nickhnt : macios15: we are still in the uptrend channel
[2015-10-29 13:56:15] macios15 : nickhnt: jep
[2015-10-29 13:57:29] macios15 : nickhnt: but its going 2050 i think
[2015-10-29 13:58:03] nickhnt : macios15: Im betting 2060, lets see
[2015-10-29 13:58:25] macios15 : nickhnt: yes, my bad
[2015-10-29 14:00:14] macios15 : nickhnt: both wrong 2080 lol
[2015-10-29 14:04:09] nickhnt : xD
[2015-10-29 14:08:49] macios15 : if we pass 318 we go 340 thats last resistance to 436-450
[2015-10-29 14:09:35] macios15 : china resistance 2100, 2222, 2450
[2015-10-29 14:11:39] nickhnt : macios15: probably going to retrace after these targets
[2015-10-29 14:11:45] nickhnt : but we never know hehehe
[2015-10-29 14:12:44] macios15 : nickhnt: i think that it will do oposite becouse everybody thinks that starts shorts and then got squized
[2015-10-29 14:13:50] nickhnt : macios15: if this happens whe could get to $360 or $420
[2015-10-29 14:13:56] nickhnt : but that would be too much i guess
[2015-10-29 14:14:46] macios15 : nickhnt: we get to 1k before december mark my words, look at volume its big like never and 3d stoch rsi is flater on 100 than on mt gox bubble
[2015-10-29 14:15:25] nickhnt : we need to retrace, even when btc bubbled, if you see the daily chart, it retraced violently and got up just as fast
[2015-10-29 14:15:44] macios15 : nickhnt: but only if we pass 340$
[2015-10-29 14:16:21] nickhnt : macios15: that would be amazing xD
[2015-10-29 14:16:51] macios15 : nickhnt: i can post my chart again
[2015-10-29 14:17:41] nickhnt : macios15: yeah i saw it man, it really looks like something big is coming
[2015-10-29 14:18:29] macios15 : nickhnt: but we need some good news
[2015-10-29 14:19:31] macios15 : nickhnt: maybe huobi is going to do gox again, those sells at huobi dont afect price
[2015-10-29 14:19:59] nickhnt : macios15: do you think they are running fractional reserves?
[2015-10-29 14:20:54] macios15 : nickhnt: what u mean im not nativ poland
[2015-10-29 14:21:37] nickhnt : like when everyone comes to the bank to withdraw their money but the bank doesnt have the money for everyone
[2015-10-29 14:21:46] nickhnt : because the bank was using the money elsewhere
[2015-10-29 14:22:48] macios15 : nickhnt: yes, and now they are buying soo its not afection price, soo they could run away with btc
[2015-10-29 14:24:34] macios15 : nickhnt: wall street ofc, but sec thought is that some goverment is intimidated or sombady and it need to pay in bitcoin some ransom
[2015-10-29 14:25:03] wurstgelee : i wouldnt short @ 315 currently
[2015-10-29 14:25:39] macios15 : wurstgelee: yes lets wait 2100 and 320
[2015-10-29 14:25:41] nickhnt : macios15: yeah i dont know, these things can happen
[2015-10-29 14:26:04] jung1 : nice pump on ETH
[2015-10-29 14:26:05] nickhnt : if we dont pass these resistances we are going to 285 again
[2015-10-29 14:26:08] jung1 : since 22
[2015-10-29 14:27:55] cengel : you guys are all wrong. $1000 here we come. give me all your coins
[2015-10-29 14:27:57] macios15 : houbi wont retrece before getin that stoch rsi at least 80
[2015-10-29 14:28:08] macios15 : cengel: +1 i think soo to
[2015-10-29 14:29:33] macios15 : do sb got some chinese trollbox?
[2015-10-29 14:31:14] wurstgelee : those 315 shorts should be margin called....
[2015-10-29 14:31:16] wurstgelee : yes they are :)
[2015-10-29 14:31:26] wurstgelee : 104478 order :)
[2015-10-29 14:31:47] sleger : and this one isnt a liquidation
[2015-10-29 14:31:56] wurstgelee : its yours?
[2015-10-29 14:32:03] sleger : no
[2015-10-29 14:33:29] wurstgelee : nice spread
[2015-10-29 14:40:51] nickhnt : going up i think
[2015-10-29 15:00:22] roymalmberg : Anyone good at API?
[2015-10-29 15:01:07] sleger : what does that even mean ?
[2015-10-29 15:01:32] roymalmberg : application programing interface
[2015-10-29 15:01:44] sleger : i know
[2015-10-29 15:01:45] roymalmberg : want to retrieve minute data from XBT
[2015-10-29 15:01:51] sleger : i meant what does your question mean
[2015-10-29 15:02:03] sleger : so query it every minute
[2015-10-29 15:02:28] roymalmberg : Oh ok, I would need help with querying from 2014 to today, minute
[2015-10-29 15:02:50] j8 : have you looked at the API explorer
[2015-10-29 15:02:52] sleger : oh that is historical data then
[2015-10-29 15:03:13] roymalmberg : is it possible to choose time with:
[2015-10-29 15:03:14] roymalmberg : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/trade?symbol=.XBT&count=1&columns=price&filter=
[2015-10-29 15:03:21] roymalmberg : nope, havent checked explorer
[2015-10-29 15:03:57] j8 : https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Trade/Trade_get
[2015-10-29 15:04:15] j8 : `startTime` and `endTime` are parameters
[2015-10-29 15:05:35] roymalmberg : thank you! is this possible in just a normal browser? or do i need to use python or something
[2015-10-29 15:05:43] roymalmberg : I appreciate it!
[2015-10-29 15:06:03] j8 : you can do it right in the API explorer
[2015-10-29 15:06:11] j8 : there is a button that says `try it out`
[2015-10-29 15:06:18] roymalmberg : Great
[2015-10-29 15:09:29] j8 : if you're doing some analysis on the `.XBT` index keep in mind that its reference switched from bitfinex to tradeblock a couple months ago
[2015-10-29 15:10:55] macios15 : why daily changed position, i opened V15 .........
[2015-10-29 15:11:13] Gemz : anyone trading the 25 dec ?
[2015-10-29 15:11:25] j8 : yes
[2015-10-29 15:11:49] j8 : not much on the book but i wish there was
[2015-10-29 15:11:55] roymalmberg : Yes thank you, I guess I would pay more attention on data from september, but they bitfinex is included in the api i guess?
[2015-10-29 15:11:55] Gemz : im more of a swing traders
[2015-10-29 15:12:08] Gemz : unfortunately not much luquidity on that
[2015-10-29 15:13:22] j8 : roymalmberg: it switched shortly after the flash crash in august, i can find the date if you need it
[2015-10-29 15:14:31] roymalmberg : I would be interested to know if you have it available! How come they switched?
[2015-10-29 15:14:37] j8 : august 28th at 12:00 GMT is when the tradeblock data starts
[2015-10-29 15:15:16] j8 : they switched because bitfinex was a really unreliable data feed, and it's better to be on a composite index anyway
[2015-10-29 15:15:21] SnackyCoins : they switched after 3 incidents at bitfinex in a single week that resulted in excessively large price swings and also data outage during settlement
[2015-10-29 15:15:38] j8 : and yeah the crash to 160
[2015-10-29 15:15:48] j8 : was the final straw
[2015-10-29 15:15:54] roymalmberg : thanks, I see, was the crash because of techinal problems or speculation?
[2015-10-29 15:16:15] roymalmberg : People got compensated or was it a big problem?
[2015-10-29 15:16:15] SnackyCoins : their interface broke, so yeah technical problem
[2015-10-29 15:16:24] j8 : massive liquidations too
[2015-10-29 15:16:32] SnackyCoins : people got compensated
[2015-10-29 15:16:45] roymalmberg : Good !
[2015-10-29 15:16:50] j8 : it was a big problem, a lot of people were unhappy
[2015-10-29 15:17:26] roymalmberg : I can see that, with so big swing its hard to protect yourself
[2015-10-29 15:18:02] j8 : yeah, for high leverage futures it's better to use an index that represents the market as a whole
[2015-10-29 15:18:40] j8 : tradeblock XBX index is designed to filter out a single exchange that deviates from the rest
[2015-10-29 15:35:37] roymalmberg : Hints? :) https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/quote/bucketed?binSize=1m&symbol=.XBT&count=500&start=0&reverse=false&startTime=2014-12-26%2011%3A00&endTime=2014-12-26%2013%3A00
[2015-10-29 15:36:04] BitMEX_Wally : That is for quote data, bucketed too
[2015-10-29 15:36:11] BitMEX_Wally : `.XBT` is only available from the `trade` table
[2015-10-29 15:36:42] roymalmberg : okey! Thanks
[2015-10-29 15:37:49] BitMEX_Wally : roymalmberg: Try this: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/trade/byDate?symbol=.XBT&startTime=2014.12.01&endTime=2014.12.05
[2015-10-29 15:38:09] roymalmberg : smooth, perfect
[2015-10-29 15:41:48] lockhedge : j8: in theory XBX might be a good idea for certain use cases (like using it reference price for liquidations). in any case: i wouldn't base any trading decisions on this index, it's just too slow.
[2015-10-29 15:42:03] j8 : agreed
[2015-10-29 15:43:14] j8 : it doesn't respond when there's a big buy on one exchange even though that's a pretty good signal for short term trading
[2015-10-29 15:44:54] roymalmberg : you mean XBX is a more even index? like compilation of all? and XBT is based on trades from bitmex?
[2015-10-29 15:45:19] roymalmberg : or what exchange is they based on?
[2015-10-29 15:45:24] roymalmberg : are*
[2015-10-29 15:46:20] j8 : no, XBX is a weighted average of 5 spot exchanges
[2015-10-29 15:46:21] roymalmberg : bitstamp
[2015-10-29 15:46:27] roymalmberg : I see
[2015-10-29 15:46:28] lockhedge : j8: yes, every move will always start at one single exchange, ignoring this first move (like OKC some hours ago) makes the index fall behind.
[2015-10-29 15:46:39] j8 : `.XBT` tracks XBX.
[2015-10-29 15:47:29] sleger : lockhedge: do you have any formula you would suggest ? or some other index that does what you say
[2015-10-29 15:48:05] roymalmberg : Is there any unweighted indicies we can track?
[2015-10-29 15:48:18] lockhedge : i'm working on BIX, will be an open source alternative to XBX alpha version: https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/
[2015-10-29 15:48:51] j8 : roymalmberg: i'm not sure what you mean, just the data from one exchange?
[2015-10-29 15:49:02] roymalmberg : yes one exchange
[2015-10-29 15:49:19] roymalmberg : lockhedge: interesting, based on what data? :)
[2015-10-29 15:49:33] j8 : you have to get that from the exchange, or from other data aggregators
[2015-10-29 15:50:12] sleger : j8: do you publish the computation formula used ?
[2015-10-29 15:50:21] roymalmberg : Guess what I would really like is bid and ask price
[2015-10-29 15:50:54] j8 : sleger: that's lockhedge doing the BIX index
[2015-10-29 15:51:05] sleger : sorry