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[2016-11-24 20:44:14] j8 : sounds like you should do the opposite of trading
[2016-11-24 20:44:45] prospecta : selling "get rekt like sleger" t-shirts, 5 zec each
[2016-11-24 20:44:52] RoftheN : Which is? not trading? But if I don't trade in this zero-sum game, how are others going to profit?
[2016-11-24 20:45:05] j8 : good point, please continue
[2016-11-24 20:45:12] RoftheN : Thanks, will do
[2016-11-24 20:45:30] rangle : thats too deep
[2016-11-24 20:45:31] +1 : RoftheN: Ok now you're starting to get confused. And I am much more confused. LOL
[2016-11-24 20:45:51] rapidtrades : was sleger the guy that got ZECed?
[2016-11-24 20:46:06] RoftheN : That's another strategy of mine. Just confuse myself so much I'll just randomly do something and then it's just gambling, which is higher chance of winning than listening to my brain or gut or trollbox
[2016-11-24 20:46:46] prospecta : its ok sleger lost 500 btc to win 2 btc
[2016-11-24 20:46:57] RoftheN : Does that mean I'm a better trader than Sleger?
[2016-11-24 20:47:09] rapidtrades : i don't think he has 500 btc to lose?
[2016-11-24 20:47:24] habibi : rapidtrades: he had like 230 here back in days
[2016-11-24 20:47:38] rapidtrades : yeah but he was net short only 300-400
[2016-11-24 20:47:48] wurstgelee : to whoever is shorting here: no good.
[2016-11-24 20:47:50] rapidtrades : net long
[2016-11-24 20:47:51] habibi : rapidtrades: check the leverage for that risk limit
[2016-11-24 20:47:55] arbitrage001 : have to be whale of the whales
[2016-11-24 20:47:56] wurstgelee : if its closing longs: too early
[2016-11-24 20:47:58] habibi : 0.6x for 300 btc risk
[2016-11-24 20:48:17] rapidtrades : so it had to be 2 ppl or 2 accounts?
[2016-11-24 20:48:18] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: people are shorting aagain
[2016-11-24 20:48:23] arbitrage001 : can you believe this?
[2016-11-24 20:48:24] wurstgelee : dunno
[2016-11-24 20:48:30] rapidtrades : those limits can easily be gamed no?
[2016-11-24 20:48:30] wurstgelee : see recent trades
[2016-11-24 20:48:35] rapidtrades : just make new account
[2016-11-24 20:48:37] wurstgelee : polo is about to explode
[2016-11-24 20:48:58] Kahir : i sold my zec mining
[2016-11-24 20:48:59] wurstgelee : 90 btc to .15
[2016-11-24 20:48:59] Kahir : just now
[2016-11-24 20:49:05] j8 : habibi: also may have been in a lower risk limit when they opened it.
[2016-11-24 20:49:09] rapidtrades : sleger: comment?
[2016-11-24 20:49:21] sleger : on what ?
[2016-11-24 20:49:31] rapidtrades : did u just lose 500 btc?
[2016-11-24 20:49:38] sleger : if zec i have already commented
[2016-11-24 20:49:39] sleger : i had a tiny long position
[2016-11-24 20:49:40] habibi : j8: right, forgot about it
[2016-11-24 20:49:45] +1 : sleger: They say u lose 500BTC
[2016-11-24 20:49:46] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-11-24 20:49:50] j8 : could have been < 250 or < 200 even
[2016-11-24 20:49:50] habibi : sleger: screen shot please! :)
[2016-11-24 20:49:52] wurstgelee : sleger: and on the other accounts?
[2016-11-24 20:49:57] RoftheN : Sleger, hypothetically speaking, if you lost that much, would you admit it?
[2016-11-24 20:49:58] sleger : nothing
[2016-11-24 20:50:01] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-24 20:50:10] sleger : i spend all my btc for dates with Adriana now
[2016-11-24 20:50:13] l3f : zec mooning
[2016-11-24 20:50:25] prospecta : "get rekt like sleger" t-shirts only 5 zec each
[2016-11-24 20:50:26] sleger : RoftheN: how much did he lose ?
[2016-11-24 20:50:27] l3f : and it's not the only thing that's inflating
[2016-11-24 20:50:27] rapidtrades : close this stupid gap
[2016-11-24 20:50:45] bbeamish : is there a link to sign up for contest
[2016-11-24 20:50:49] trollboxer : Which gap do you mean?
[2016-11-24 20:50:50] bbeamish : I can't find a page to do so
[2016-11-24 20:50:58] l3f : trollboxer: between the legs
[2016-11-24 20:51:07] Adriana : sleger: He is not lying
[2016-11-24 20:51:09] arbitrage001 : shoot the moon spot is claimed
[2016-11-24 20:51:10] prospecta : hahaha bbeamish cryptos poorest trader
[2016-11-24 20:51:13] arbitrage001 : doubt anyone can beat that guy
[2016-11-24 20:51:26] rapidtrades : the 35% discount to polo with 35 days to go @trollboxer
[2016-11-24 20:51:28] rapidtrades : it's dumb
[2016-11-24 20:51:37] sleger : Adriana: about ?
[2016-11-24 20:51:46] RoftheN : Too bad we can't margin on Poloniex
[2016-11-24 20:51:48] rapidtrades : that's a 365% annualized return
[2016-11-24 20:51:54] bbeamish : anyone got a link??
[2016-11-24 20:52:03] jonny : lol zec
[2016-11-24 20:52:04] +1 : arbitrage001: I think the shoot the moon category is for someone who got liquidated in profit, no?
[2016-11-24 20:52:21] arbitrage001 : +1: i read loss
[2016-11-24 20:52:23] sleger : liquidated in profit lol
[2016-11-24 20:52:27] arbitrage001 : not profit
[2016-11-24 20:52:34] thomaskikansha : so close to new high
[2016-11-24 20:52:36] Adriana : sleger: The date, silly
[2016-11-24 20:52:38] j8 : rapidtrades: you get that return in nominal zec terms though, not btc or usd. doesn't mean much
[2016-11-24 20:52:39] arbitrage001 : maybe read it wrong
[2016-11-24 20:52:51] sleger : Adriana: please dont call me names in front of everyone
[2016-11-24 20:53:23] Adriana : sleger: ok, no mas
[2016-11-24 20:53:29] sleger : :)
[2016-11-24 20:53:35] rapidtrades : j8: no? it's in BTC terms here
[2016-11-24 20:53:35] sleger : ^ she is the best
[2016-11-24 20:54:07] j8 : rapidtrades: you can't get that return in btc without shorting zec to hedge, which presumably would cost similar
[2016-11-24 20:54:09] +1 : sleger: you're flirting in front of us
[2016-11-24 20:54:09] bbeamish : is there an admin or someone from Bitmex on the site here I can pm w?
[2016-11-24 20:54:27] rapidtrades : j8: no?
[2016-11-24 20:54:39] sleger : +1: yes, so what
[2016-11-24 20:54:40] arbitrage001 : bbeamish: you dont need to sign up for contest
[2016-11-24 20:54:41] +1 : bbeamish: what would you like to know?
[2016-11-24 20:54:46] j8 : rapidtrades: not unless the price stays constant, but why would it?
[2016-11-24 20:54:48] +1 : sleger: jealous
[2016-11-24 20:54:51] +1 : LOL
[2016-11-24 20:55:00] rapidtrades : if i long now and price doesn't move until dec30 I gain 0.048 btc BITCOIN
[2016-11-24 20:55:01] rapidtrades : BTC
[2016-11-24 20:55:13] j8 : rapidtrades: of course the price will move
[2016-11-24 20:55:16] sleger : rapidtrades: how big was the zec liq and @ what price ?
[2016-11-24 20:55:23] wurstgelee : sleger: 4ksomething
[2016-11-24 20:55:23] RoftheN : btc BITCOIN? I want that too
[2016-11-24 20:55:34] wurstgelee : check chat history
[2016-11-24 20:55:36] rapidtrades : doesn't matter if it moves, it will always be in bitcoin here
[2016-11-24 20:55:37] wurstgelee : easy to find
[2016-11-24 20:55:37] sharp : zec went to the moon I told you :D
[2016-11-24 20:55:40] chaparro : Bulish BTC
[2016-11-24 20:55:43] arbitrage001 : sleger: over 4k in size, about 80% of total outstanding contracts
[2016-11-24 20:55:44] rapidtrades : wtf.....am I wrong? anyone
[2016-11-24 20:55:45] j8 : rapidtrades: you can't lock in that profit in btc without the short
[2016-11-24 20:55:47] prospecta : cute how sleger is pretending he doesn't know, so ute
[2016-11-24 20:55:53] rapidtrades : j8 ur wrong
[2016-11-24 20:56:02] rapidtrades : guys tell him he's wrong
[2016-11-24 20:56:14] Tetsuo : j8: spot on
[2016-11-24 20:56:15] j8 : if you own zec, then sure you can sell it on polo and buy here. as of dec 30 you'll make that return on your zec
[2016-11-24 20:56:31] sleger : 35:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 4360 @ 0.068073
[2016-11-24 20:56:41] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-11-24 20:56:44] j8 : but the price might fall also because of course it will
[2016-11-24 20:56:46] arbitrage001 : price keep moving up
[2016-11-24 20:56:50] mutato : I’m Feeling Lucky
[2016-11-24 20:56:50] l3f : sleger: what
[2016-11-24 20:57:00] RoftheN : 4360 ZEC?
[2016-11-24 20:57:11] Tetsuo : no DOGE
[2016-11-24 20:57:11] wurstgelee : do you really have to say I’m Feeling Lucky
[2016-11-24 20:57:12] wurstgelee : ?
[2016-11-24 20:57:18] rapidtrades : no way...if that was 4k, every long would be ADLed
[2016-11-24 20:57:40] sleger : maint margin 125% at that qty so the guy lost over 300 btc indeed
[2016-11-24 20:57:46] habibi : rapidtrades: check fucking leverage for that type of position
[2016-11-24 20:57:46] j8 : somehow it got filled
[2016-11-24 20:57:50] +1 : arbitrage001: OK now I'm starting to think the category doesn't care if you are at loss or in profit as long as you are the largest ADLed.
[2016-11-24 20:57:50] prospecta : "the guy" hahha
[2016-11-24 20:57:58] j8 : sleger: could have been lower notional when it was opened
[2016-11-24 20:58:02] l3f : he wins two Btc
[2016-11-24 20:58:11] Tetsuo : fair enough
[2016-11-24 20:58:14] sleger : rapidtrades: no because the maint margin is huge
[2016-11-24 20:58:17] jakelanor : i'm feeling lucky
[2016-11-24 20:58:28] rapidtrades : sleger: ok then...
[2016-11-24 20:58:30] l3f : #yolo #swag #nostops
[2016-11-24 20:58:38] habibi : rapidtrades: at 0.04x 4400 it is 176 btc
[2016-11-24 20:58:40] l3f : #liqudationismystop
[2016-11-24 20:58:46] trollboxer : ok, can someone explain the ADL to me?
[2016-11-24 20:58:48] sleger : so no that wasnt be i am long .... 3 zec
[2016-11-24 20:58:51] numero : what if you get ADL on one contract for lots of $$$, and liquidated on another contract? would it add or subtract?
[2016-11-24 20:59:00] trollboxer : who gets screwed when it activates? the person being adl'd or the exchange or who?
[2016-11-24 20:59:07] l3f : trollboxer: ADL is the Anti Deflamation League ran by the Zionists
[2016-11-24 20:59:18] arbitrage001 : sleger: why even bother go long ?
[2016-11-24 20:59:19] habibi : at 0.5 its already 220 and leverage 0.8 so about 260
[2016-11-24 20:59:22] habibi : 0.05*
[2016-11-24 20:59:24] arbitrage001 : 3 zec ..
[2016-11-24 20:59:40] sleger : arbitrage001: dont know just residual
[2016-11-24 20:59:50] sleger : somehow i have also -29 xmr
[2016-11-24 20:59:55] sleger : no idea where they come from
[2016-11-24 21:00:03] sleger : as well as +5k etc
[2016-11-24 21:00:06] wurstgelee : sleep trading
[2016-11-24 21:00:09] wurstgelee : or dunk trading
[2016-11-24 21:00:12] sleger : oops thats costing me 0.5btc
[2016-11-24 21:00:20] sleger : ETC7D 5000 5000.00 ETC 0.001125
[2016-11-24 21:00:29] wurstgelee : yeah, etc got pulled down by eth today
[2016-11-24 21:00:32] sleger : who would buy ETC seriously
[2016-11-24 21:00:34] wurstgelee : after that fuckup
[2016-11-24 21:00:49] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: what happened to ETH?
[2016-11-24 21:00:55] wurstgelee : sleger: only because it has ledger integrity, an unsplit netowrk and a single chain?
[2016-11-24 21:01:01] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: network split
[2016-11-24 21:01:05] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: oh ok
[2016-11-24 21:01:09] sleger : wurstgelee: who cares about that
[2016-11-24 21:01:09] wurstgelee : geth and parity each on one chain
[2016-11-24 21:01:12] wurstgelee : eth is dead
[2016-11-24 21:01:15] habibi : Tetsuo: eth forked without vitalik permision
[2016-11-24 21:01:19] wurstgelee : its now ETHGETH and ETHPAR
[2016-11-24 21:01:28] trollboxer : so if a trader bankrupts, the adl takes away some profit from other traders?
[2016-11-24 21:01:29] Tetsuo : is that true?
[2016-11-24 21:01:30] Tetsuo : LMAO
[2016-11-24 21:01:42] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: this time it was no attack, they fucked upo the 4. HF
[2016-11-24 21:01:50] wurstgelee : and split the network
[2016-11-24 21:02:11] rapidtrades : that dev team is incompetent
[2016-11-24 21:02:19] wurstgelee : then vitalik claimed that one client is on the right chain while saying its the other one shortly after
[2016-11-24 21:02:24] wurstgelee : great show
[2016-11-24 21:02:25] RoftheN : Guess this will stop people from hardforking Bitcoin to increase blocksize
[2016-11-24 21:02:34] rapidtrades : hope so
[2016-11-24 21:02:35] wurstgelee : finex halted deposits and withdrawals .
[2016-11-24 21:02:37] wurstgelee : much popcorn
[2016-11-24 21:02:41] rapidtrades : oh shit
[2016-11-24 21:02:58] habibi : wurstgelee: whats ur nick on wp?
[2016-11-24 21:03:04] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: link?
[2016-11-24 21:03:06] wurstgelee : whats wp?
[2016-11-24 21:03:09] habibi : nvm
[2016-11-24 21:03:15] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-24 21:03:25] Tetsuo : WePerverts
[2016-11-24 21:03:38] wurstgelee : that called WePizza now
[2016-11-24 21:03:41] wurstgelee : *thats
[2016-11-24 21:04:19] wurstgelee : pizzagate? no? noone? k, too early
[2016-11-24 21:05:08] Tetsuo : no one should trust a Guy with such awkward ears like Vitalik has
[2016-11-24 21:05:26] habibi : Tetsuo: its called 1 y investment now
[2016-11-24 21:05:42] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-11-24 21:05:43] sleger : whatever happens with eth forks i dont care, I just go to bed thinking about my beautiful Adriana so the rest of the world does not matter, right @Tetsuo ?
[2016-11-24 21:05:56] RoftheN : Who's adriana?
[2016-11-24 21:05:59] Tetsuo : sleger: she´s a 14 year old malaysian boy, sorry to spill it
[2016-11-24 21:06:07] wurstgelee : sleger: eth is 2 forks
[2016-11-24 21:06:14] sleger : Tetsuo: yeah you werent saying that yesterday
[2016-11-24 21:06:16] wurstgelee : geth on one fork, parity on the other
[2016-11-24 21:06:21] sleger : wurstgelee: 2,4,8, who is counting
[2016-11-24 21:06:27] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: oh u meant finex stops ETH withdrawals? or in general?
[2016-11-24 21:06:30] +1 : LOL
[2016-11-24 21:06:31] wurstgelee : sleger: thats different this time
[2016-11-24 21:06:35] Tetsuo : sleger: we PMd
[2016-11-24 21:06:36] wurstgelee : its a network split"
[2016-11-24 21:06:51] wurstgelee : half of the hashrate is on an invalid chain
[2016-11-24 21:06:54] +1 : :)
[2016-11-24 21:06:55] sleger : i know its fucked up, BUT there is a fix coming, it will be fixed, in 2 weeks nobody will care
[2016-11-24 21:06:56] wurstgelee : half of the miners...
[2016-11-24 21:07:13] wurstgelee : sleger: i know that eth boys will buy it up again
[2016-11-24 21:07:15] sleger : Tetsuo: yes and she told you to caress yourself softly
[2016-11-24 21:07:20] wurstgelee : looking forward to long :)
[2016-11-24 21:07:31] wurstgelee : short term...
[2016-11-24 21:07:32] +1 : ;)
[2016-11-24 21:07:35] anonymous789 : yup eth is so much more promising than bitcoin
[2016-11-24 21:08:11] sleger : in 16months market cap of eth >= btc
[2016-11-24 21:08:18] anonymous789 : sleger: agreed
[2016-11-24 21:08:21] Tetsuo : plz stop trolling
[2016-11-24 21:08:22] wurstgelee : small bet on that?
[2016-11-24 21:08:29] sleger : im long 50k eth
[2016-11-24 21:08:35] wurstgelee : no, we
[2016-11-24 21:08:40] wurstgelee : a bet
[2016-11-24 21:08:49] sleger : my bet is already in, with the market
[2016-11-24 21:08:51] habibi : sleger: thought u got bigger possition tbh
[2016-11-24 21:09:06] sleger : that;s half a mllion on eth....
[2016-11-24 21:09:07] anonymous789 : wish i had 50k eth lol
[2016-11-24 21:09:07] wurstgelee : sleger: your bet is up. not eth>btc
[2016-11-24 21:09:32] sleger : wurstgelee: you realise the odds of that bet would be close to 100:1 right ?
[2016-11-24 21:10:00] habibi : sleger: u are the one that does and many others invested.. its pretty normal in every personal invesment
[2016-11-24 21:10:05] habibi : in crypto*
[2016-11-24 21:10:14] prospecta : sleger got rekt 300 btc today he cant afford to take a be wurstgelee
[2016-11-24 21:10:20] habibi : i bet people are buying zec hoping for 10x-20x return right now
[2016-11-24 21:10:21] wurstgelee : no clue where u pulled out that number but i agree it unlikely
[2016-11-24 21:10:27] wurstgelee : highly unlikely
[2016-11-24 21:10:46] sleger : prospecta: source ?
[2016-11-24 21:10:48] anonymous789 : as much as people in the crypto community hate big business and corporations etc, those same big businesses are getting behind eth and not bitcoin
[2016-11-24 21:10:48] arbitrage001 : habibi: of course
[2016-11-24 21:11:05] habibi : sleger: but wish u all the best! hope u will get ur 50 m in return
[2016-11-24 21:11:33] habibi : anonymous789: thats why jp morgan made their own fork of eth
[2016-11-24 21:11:34] wurstgelee : anonymous789: they did. yes. but its not going so well recently. even as a fan u have to admit thazt
[2016-11-24 21:11:35] sleger : 50m ?
[2016-11-24 21:11:37] wurstgelee : *-z
[2016-11-24 21:11:47] trollboxer : Alright kiddos, its chat time
[2016-11-24 21:11:51] habibi : sleger: 0.5 m times 100 is 50 m right?
[2016-11-24 21:12:00] anonymous789 : ethereum has a Keynesian economic algorithm, big businesses / corporations looooove keynesian economics
[2016-11-24 21:12:04] wurstgelee : habibi: bn
[2016-11-24 21:12:06] trollboxer : In business, critical mass matters, its why brands exist
[2016-11-24 21:12:07] wurstgelee : its 50bn
[2016-11-24 21:12:24] trollboxer : Bitcoin has 10x the businesses and 10x the merchants and wallets of eth, at least
[2016-11-24 21:12:40] trollboxer : If you have an ETH wallet right now, you literally can't use it
[2016-11-24 21:12:43] wurstgelee : eth is not meant to be a currency....
[2016-11-24 21:12:58] wurstgelee : its not meant to buy stuff
[2016-11-24 21:13:03] trollboxer : Yep, which is why it shouldn't be speculated on like a currency right?
[2016-11-24 21:13:09] trollboxer : its a use token, for a network that has no use
[2016-11-24 21:13:14] sleger : habibi: well it's not really 100x but ok
[2016-11-24 21:13:15] trollboxer : its the worlds most expensive computation
[2016-11-24 21:13:21] wurstgelee : no, it has a value. therefore it's network tokens have a value
[2016-11-24 21:13:22] anonymous789 : wurstgelee: i think the outward impression looks bad that all hell is breaking loose in the ethereum space but fundamentally nothing has changed, ethereum itself is now significantly fundamentally better since the whole pre-dao ATH
[2016-11-24 21:13:37] sleger : and btc could come down
[2016-11-24 21:13:43] habibi : no big corpo will use currency that is changing core protocols every month, more, its very hard to convince them to sing simple docs into btc blockchain, not saying about more complex stuff
[2016-11-24 21:13:52] trollboxer : the computation has a value, and it is the value of paying 10x more to do a calculation or operation on their network than you could do on your own network
[2016-11-24 21:13:53] wurstgelee : anonymous789: its not better than pre-dao. better would be if dao never happened.
[2016-11-24 21:13:54] habibi : and btc is the one that is stable in technical
[2016-11-24 21:13:55] trollboxer : so its value is a penalty
[2016-11-24 21:14:06] sleger : NO big company wants to deal with btc
[2016-11-24 21:14:15] sleger : NO government will ever accept it
[2016-11-24 21:14:16] trollboxer : btc wallets actually function
[2016-11-24 21:14:23] trollboxer : its how all trades are on here are settled
[2016-11-24 21:14:24] wurstgelee : yeah, because they make their own chains, like banks, right?
[2016-11-24 21:14:41] habibi : sleger: no big corpo will use eth, jpmorgan is best example. own forks, private chains whatever are ok
[2016-11-24 21:14:49] trollboxer : what more would you need to prove the power of one cu rrency over another than the fact that all trades are settled in it, and its the reserve currency of the entire crypto community?
[2016-11-24 21:14:59] wurstgelee : which cant be decentralized due to regulations and not be centralized due to sceurity concerns? hence R3 consortium falling apart?
[2016-11-24 21:15:05] wurstgelee : is that what you are thinking?
[2016-11-24 21:15:07] trollboxer : If they did use eth, it woudln't matter, because it wouldnt' drive up the price of the token
[2016-11-24 21:15:16] sleger : habibi: jpmorgan copied some version of eth yes, that says a lot
[2016-11-24 21:15:18] anonymous789 : habibi: internet had its own private versions before they merged their shit onto the main network
[2016-11-24 21:15:23] wurstgelee : sleger: read above
[2016-11-24 21:15:34] anonymous789 : corporations will eventually move to the main ethereum chain
[2016-11-24 21:15:41] habibi : sleger: exacly the same https://github.com/jpmorganchase/quorum
[2016-11-24 21:15:42] habibi : lol
[2016-11-24 21:15:50] wurstgelee : banks cant work on a decentralized chain ffs
[2016-11-24 21:16:18] trollboxer : I love when people make these arguments regarding the value of networks. value is created by scarcity, literally
[2016-11-24 21:16:34] trollboxer : you can't have a scarce open source project, ever, unless the value is the non open source part
[2016-11-24 21:16:46] anonymous789 : trollboxer: wrong
[2016-11-24 21:16:49] sleger : trollboxer: value is in dev team, dapps
[2016-11-24 21:16:51] wurstgelee : infrastrucure, userbase, transaction volume....
[2016-11-24 21:16:54] trollboxer : hahaha
[2016-11-24 21:16:54] wurstgelee : all that has value
[2016-11-24 21:16:56] arbitrage001 : trollboxer: bitcoin price should go down then?
[2016-11-24 21:17:18] wurstgelee : trollboxer: dont know if trolling or naive tbh
[2016-11-24 21:17:23] wurstgelee : wise nick choice
[2016-11-24 21:17:25] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-24 21:17:37] trollboxer : devs are a cost, not an asset. code is an asset
[2016-11-24 21:17:42] trollboxer : if you have devs but no code, you have loss and not gain
[2016-11-24 21:17:53] anonymous789 : i went all-in on eth, granted didn't have much btc, around 10, but went all in on eth with my 10 btc in around february or so after trying to send it and waited for literally 2 days before the transaction was confirmed...
[2016-11-24 21:17:55] trollboxer : what use are devs that actually are incompetant? ask dao?
[2016-11-24 21:17:58] anonymous789 : well f-uck that
[2016-11-24 21:18:04] trollboxer : 0 eth wallets work
[2016-11-24 21:18:05] trollboxer : 0
[2016-11-24 21:18:15] trollboxer : what more proof of uselessness need there be?
[2016-11-24 21:18:17] sleger : forever ?
[2016-11-24 21:18:28] trollboxer : would the wallet have to grow legs, walk into your house, and eat your food?
[2016-11-24 21:18:31] lockhedge : happy anniversary, @BitMEX - and congrats for becoming the most liquid BTC/USD market!
[2016-11-24 21:18:39] anonymous789 : you can't go to a shop and buy something wtih btc
[2016-11-24 21:18:40] sleger : if i write a contract that pays 1m$tomorrow, is it worth zero today dumy
[2016-11-24 21:19:13] anonymous789 : "hi sir, i'd like a capuccino please", 2 hours later "here you go, transaction confirmed, heres your cold capuccino"
[2016-11-24 21:19:22] anonymous789 : seriously
[2016-11-24 21:19:26] trollboxer : I can shop on this site in 10 minutes?
[2016-11-24 21:19:26] anonymous789 : what kinda shite is that
[2016-11-24 21:19:28] trollboxer : for millions?
[2016-11-24 21:19:32] trollboxer : so explain your 2 hours to me
[2016-11-24 21:19:33] NuffSaid : Is it just me or has Z-crash finally caught a bid?!!
[2016-11-24 21:20:04] arbitrage001 : NuffSaid: the only real shorter just bot busted
[2016-11-24 21:20:24] anonymous789 : you got internal politics in btc non-stop, mike hearn rage-quitting, 2 different dev teams arguing for years
[2016-11-24 21:20:29] arbitrage001 : very generous man who gives us 50% discount
[2016-11-24 21:20:30] rapidtrades : what color trezor u use guys?
[2016-11-24 21:20:40] anonymous789 : like, seriously, the bitcoin 'community' is f-ucked
[2016-11-24 21:20:40] mjones : rainbow
[2016-11-24 21:20:44] trollboxer : thats better not worse, its the reason teh wallets work, because there are no forks
[2016-11-24 21:20:45] douver : Happy anniversary bitmex, nice to see people talking fundamentals while trading 100x
[2016-11-24 21:20:46] rapidtrades : i want to get white but they say contrast is better on black
[2016-11-24 21:20:50] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: green ofc
[2016-11-24 21:20:53] NuffSaid : arbitrage001: Lol.
[2016-11-24 21:20:55] trollboxer : eth has concensus on forks, so it does, and it always breaks
[2016-11-24 21:20:58] trollboxer : and loses value every time
[2016-11-24 21:21:07] trollboxer : so mike hearn and drama is what saves bitcoin from the fate of fork
[2016-11-24 21:21:07] anonymous789 : i praise the lord that it loses value
[2016-11-24 21:21:09] anonymous789 : i buy more
[2016-11-24 21:21:18] anonymous789 : the bugs make it more robust
[2016-11-24 21:21:25] anonymous789 : it's a 2 year old technology, if that
[2016-11-24 21:21:49] anonymous789 : hacks make the network stronger
[2016-11-24 21:21:56] trollboxer : ok, so the fact that you can't use the currency at all right now, is good for it, yes?
[2016-11-24 21:22:15] anonymous789 : as long as there isn't a hack that makes billions of ether appear out of nowhere (like there was in bitcoin in 2009 fyi) then i'm happy
[2016-11-24 21:22:27] anonymous789 : it's good for me as a long term investor yes
[2016-11-24 21:22:30] trollboxer : is there anything eth could do that would make you think it bad?
[2016-11-24 21:22:47] anonymous789 : like i said, crazy bug where it starts producing millions of ether?
[2016-11-24 21:23:08] trollboxer : not like the bug that made millions of ehter for the dao hacker though?
[2016-11-24 21:23:13] anonymous789 : or maybe if vitalik got assassinated before the technology fully matured
[2016-11-24 21:23:16] trollboxer : a different millions lost bug?
[2016-11-24 21:23:28] trollboxer : ok, seems decentralized
[2016-11-24 21:23:37] anonymous789 : that wasn't an eth bug though... that was poor smart contract code development
[2016-11-24 21:23:46] trollboxer : lets be serious, you're long, and not long because there's a good reason, but because you prefer to not be cash negative
[2016-11-24 21:23:59] anonymous789 : trollboxer: what does that even mean?
[2016-11-24 21:24:12] trollboxer : no, it actually was good code, but its an emergent property of the halting problem
[2016-11-24 21:24:19] anonymous789 : i would have been cash positive if i'd have kept my 10 btc in feb lol
[2016-11-24 21:24:20] AurikBTC : Good evening everyone :) Time to update my positions, so whats up right now? Time to long or short? :p
[2016-11-24 21:24:24] trollboxer : that you can never ever ever predict the outcome of a touring complete operation without actually running the operation
[2016-11-24 21:24:37] trollboxer : and since you have a turing complete language, you are forever screwed
[2016-11-24 21:24:44] anonymous789 : lol no
[2016-11-24 21:25:05] trollboxer : if you remove extra risk, by doing what they did in btc, and disabling opcodes, etc, you reduce the possibility that the program doesn't do what you think it wiill
[2016-11-24 21:25:21] anonymous789 : poor documentation of the CALL method actually is what caused it, the dangers were not documented well enough
[2016-11-24 21:25:36] anonymous789 : they were not supposed to use that routine in the contract
[2016-11-24 21:25:47] anonymous789 : for the purpose they were using it for
[2016-11-24 21:25:51] trollboxer : ok, so explain to me how the eth turing complete contracts don't have the halting problem?
[2016-11-24 21:25:57] trollboxer : or do you not know what the halting problem even is?
[2016-11-24 21:26:09] anonymous789 : and anyway, turing completeness is why we have programs the way they are, it allows for complex contracts
[2016-11-24 21:26:13] trollboxer : learn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
[2016-11-24 21:26:23] j8 : easy, that's what gas is for @trollboxer
[2016-11-24 21:26:24] anonymous789 : i'm a software developer lol
[2016-11-24 21:26:56] trollboxer : ok then explain to me how eth smart contracts avoid the halting problem, and thus have confidence in what their contracts will actually do
[2016-11-24 21:27:24] anonymous789 : you see it's funny
[2016-11-24 21:27:37] trollboxer : and keep in mind that the eth dev's who may know more than you, haven't seemed to get anything right at all, except their premine
[2016-11-24 21:28:17] trollboxer : and funny enough, even if all that worked right, where is the scarcity of the token you must use to get their magic source code to work for you?
[2016-11-24 21:28:22] anonymous789 : someone called trollboxer on a troll box wants me to explain computability theory even though they 'appear' to know what it is anyway
[2016-11-24 21:28:40] arbitrage001 : no one is interested, really
[2016-11-24 21:28:41] trollboxer : I know you can't predict what a program will do, until it does it
[2016-11-24 21:28:42] anonymous789 : how about trollboxer go and do some research on ethereum first...
[2016-11-24 21:29:39] anonymous789 : as a computer scientist i did my research in february, and i found out that ethereum is the better investment for me, and that it is miles ahead of bitcoin.
[2016-11-24 21:30:27] trollboxer : well you smart dudes should dig in and help the eth core devs
[2016-11-24 21:30:30] trollboxer : seems like they could use your help
[2016-11-24 21:30:52] anonymous789 : 1) the community is better, more united 2) the ethereum foundation has a 'face' and therefore there is no mystery about who is essentially the founder of it (which is, by the way, the biggest joke to people that know nothing about crypto, the fact that there is this weird person called satoshi nakamoto that disappeared after creating bitcoin)
[2016-11-24 21:31:08] trollboxer : "weird"
[2016-11-24 21:31:23] anonymous789 : 3) the ethereum foundation is not afraid to make changes where necessary to improve and do what is morally just
[2016-11-24 21:31:48] l3f : trollboxer: pretty sure they aren't allowed to have infinite loops
[2016-11-24 21:31:53] anonymous789 : people in the crypto space complain about bank bailout in 2008. But what would have happened if there was a bank run and you lost all your money because alll the banks collapsed?
[2016-11-24 21:31:57] l3f : or loops must be bounded
[2016-11-24 21:32:02] l3f : to prevent non termination
[2016-11-24 21:32:03] habibi : anonymous789: what u see as a joke i feel its positive, way more better that Commander Vitalium giving whatever rules he want to community, its a big advantage that Satoshi is only a mystery today imo
[2016-11-24 21:32:10] l3f : also they have a stack with gas limit
[2016-11-24 21:32:26] l3f : every instruction uses "gas"
[2016-11-24 21:32:28] l3f : so you have to pay
[2016-11-24 21:32:32] l3f : for every execution
[2016-11-24 21:32:40] trollboxer : If you lose an argument about the goodness of a coin, when one of the coins literally can't be bought or spent or used during the period of the conversation
[2016-11-24 21:32:42] anonymous789 : habibi: big businesses want to see a face to something, they don't like mystery masked men or figurines
[2016-11-24 21:32:45] trollboxer : then really there's nothing that can be done
[2016-11-24 21:33:06] habibi : anonymous789: then buy more eth, no problemos
[2016-11-24 21:33:34] arbitrage001 : yes, bet half a million
[2016-11-24 21:33:46] anonymous789 : habibi: i am
[2016-11-24 21:33:48] dimitry74 : ETH is world computer
[2016-11-24 21:34:00] anonymous789 : habibi: that's the whole argument, i want the price to fall further so i can buy more lol
[2016-11-24 21:34:05] trollboxer : oh yeah? whats it computing right now?
[2016-11-24 21:34:21] habibi : dimitry74: what does slogan "world computer" means?
[2016-11-24 21:34:33] trollboxer : What's the world computer doing right now?
[2016-11-24 21:35:00] anonymous789 : i personally, like both bitcoin and ethereum, but i think ethereum has the better prospects and will gain more mainstream adoption in the future
[2016-11-24 21:35:03] dimitry74 : just joking, i have a watch that has more computing power ;) is also turing complete and is useful for something
[2016-11-24 21:35:08] ytaews : after the fork it's essentially a dual core computer
[2016-11-24 21:35:08] anonymous789 : i know that makes bitcoin maximalists butthurt, but get over it
[2016-11-24 21:35:21] trollboxer : Do you know how useless turing completeness is?
[2016-11-24 21:35:22] NuffSaid : trollboxer: Probably nothing exciting ... only plotting the destruction of humanity a la Skynet. :)
[2016-11-24 21:35:37] trollboxer : its literally so useless that you can do an turing complete thing in any other turing complete thing
[2016-11-24 21:35:50] anonymous789 : trollboxer: you're just showing your ignorance now
[2016-11-24 21:35:52] dimitry74 : yep I agree it's bullshit
[2016-11-24 21:35:55] trollboxer : its like saying, english is going to go up in price, because you can say the same stuff in english you can in any other language
[2016-11-24 21:36:00] anonymous789 : i feel you need to learn about turing completeness yourself lol
[2016-11-24 21:36:17] trollboxer : turing completelness isn't a limited or scarce thing, its a property of most languages
[2016-11-24 21:36:25] l3f : lol why have browsers w/ javascript
[2016-11-24 21:36:30] l3f : just write a program
[2016-11-24 21:36:31] dimitry74 : every simple computer is turing complete
[2016-11-24 21:36:31] l3f : lol
[2016-11-24 21:36:35] trollboxer : and in the case of smart contracts, its more a cost than asset, because as you can see, it goes wrong morem often
[2016-11-24 21:36:49] l3f : ethereum is like the browser
[2016-11-24 21:37:00] trollboxer : so the "brainfuck" programming language must be valueable because it is turing complete
[2016-11-24 21:37:09] trollboxer : its a problem, not a feature, as dao will tell you
[2016-11-24 21:37:13] anonymous789 : that's not why it's valuable
[2016-11-24 21:37:31] anonymous789 : it's valuable because it has a keynesian mindset imo, that's just my opinion
[2016-11-24 21:37:35] trollboxer : I like the idea that computation is a scarce thing going to go up in value
[2016-11-24 21:37:41] trollboxer : cause more's law goes the other direction
[2016-11-24 21:37:46] anonymous789 : and imo humbly, companies and big businesses prefer keynesian economics
[2016-11-24 21:38:03] trollboxer : oh, so you dislike eth because its deflationary?
[2016-11-24 21:38:21] anonymous789 : it's not deflationary at all lol
[2016-11-24 21:38:27] anonymous789 : where are you getting your eth facts?
[2016-11-24 21:38:31] anonymous789 : sorry 'facts'
[2016-11-24 21:38:44] trollboxer : http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/
[2016-11-24 21:38:49] trollboxer : you see that market cap graph?
[2016-11-24 21:38:52] anonymous789 : lmao
[2016-11-24 21:38:56] trollboxer : do you see inflation there?
[2016-11-24 21:39:02] anonymous789 : do you even economics bruh?
[2016-11-24 21:39:10] mjones : waiting for this eth to dump
[2016-11-24 21:39:13] trollboxer : you see how the graph moves up, and not down?
[2016-11-24 21:39:16] trollboxer : that means value going up
[2016-11-24 21:39:17] anonymous789 : get the f-uck outta here lol
[2016-11-24 21:39:38] trollboxer : if it were deflationary, price would be going down
[2016-11-24 21:39:42] trollboxer : that's what deflation means
[2016-11-24 21:39:45] anonymous789 : no...
[2016-11-24 21:39:56] anonymous789 : you're makin yourself look more and more like an idiot
[2016-11-24 21:40:06] anonymous789 : bitcoin is deflationary because it has a fixed supply
[2016-11-24 21:40:11] anonymous789 : ethereum is inflationary because it doesn't
[2016-11-24 21:40:22] trollboxer : if the world were pegged to the token and not usd, you would be right
[2016-11-24 21:40:25] trollboxer : but we live in a usd world
[2016-11-24 21:40:26] anonymous789 : that's pretty much the simplest way to explain it
[2016-11-24 21:40:39] trollboxer : so when your token appreciates in usd, its deflationary, not inflationary
[2016-11-24 21:40:52] mjones : zec almost new high
[2016-11-24 21:40:57] anonymous789 : you're confused
[2016-11-24 21:41:01] anonymous789 : forge tit
[2016-11-24 21:41:02] trollboxer : the supply can be inflationary however if that supplys increase is overcome by adoption the currecy is deflationary, and anyone that has loans in it can't bpay them back
[2016-11-24 21:41:03] anonymous789 : forget it*
[2016-11-24 21:41:35] trollboxer : no teach me more about what deflation is
[2016-11-24 21:41:44] anonymous789 : go and buy gold lol
[2016-11-24 21:41:47] anonymous789 : you might learn something
[2016-11-24 21:42:46] anonymous789 : FYI if i can buy 1 ether for 10 USD, i'm getting 1 ether for 10 times the cost of 1 USD
[2016-11-24 21:42:55] anonymous789 : so how's that deflationary lmao
[2016-11-24 21:45:16] trollboxer : You know the sad part about ETH being broken? You can't sell your ETH
[2016-11-24 21:45:28] trollboxer : can't deposit it....
[2016-11-24 21:45:28] anonymous789 : and if you really want to be impressed you should look at year on year ethereum vs bitcoin
[2016-11-24 21:45:47] anonymous789 : and which one increased in value more over that year
[2016-11-24 21:46:21] anonymous789 : you know the sad part about BTC being broken, it takes hours to transfer the tiniest amount of BTC from account to another...
[2016-11-24 21:46:38] anonymous789 : and you know the sadder part about that too
[2016-11-24 21:46:42] mjones : it is instant bro
[2016-11-24 21:46:46] anonymous789 : BTC has been like that for damn near a year...
[2016-11-24 21:47:01] mjones : i pay for food with btc all the time
[2016-11-24 21:47:15] mjones : works with 0 confirms
[2016-11-24 21:47:19] anonymous789 : how many confrmations before they give you your food?
[2016-11-24 21:47:23] mjones : 0
[2016-11-24 21:47:30] anonymous789 : aah okay so you open yourself to attack everytime you spend your money lol
[2016-11-24 21:47:32] dimitry74 : anonymous789: at least BTC doesn't hardfork every other day
[2016-11-24 21:47:34] anonymous789 : cause that's useful
[2016-11-24 21:48:01] anonymous789 : dimitry74: I wish it did, just once, to fix the problems, then in february i might not have gone all-in on ETH
[2016-11-24 21:48:28] anonymous789 : like seriously, you bitcoin maximalists act as if eth hard forking to fix problems is a bad thing
[2016-11-24 21:48:33] anonymous789 : and that bank bailouts are a bad thing lol
[2016-11-24 21:48:41] anonymous789 : man get over it
[2016-11-24 21:48:59] mjones : bank bailouts are good cause i dont wanna die
[2016-11-24 21:49:31] mjones : but now that i hold btc i dont care i suppose
[2016-11-24 21:49:38] anonymous789 : yup, it's not the best solution, but letting the economy get destroyed wasn't exactly the best solution in 2008 either
[2016-11-24 21:49:48] mjones : well i guess if everyone around me is broke then it'd be no fun.
[2016-11-24 21:49:55] mjones : need like a btc only island
[2016-11-24 21:50:09] mjones : people wouldnt make it out alive tho
[2016-11-24 21:50:09] anonymous789 : same argument with dao fork, we couldn't have a hacker sitting there with over 3million ether when we're transitioning to PoS eventually..
[2016-11-24 21:50:25] trollboxer : "we"
[2016-11-24 21:50:31] anonymous789 : crypto island would be a good idea
[2016-11-24 21:50:31] habibi : anonymous789: thats the worst argument u can copy paste from reddit and vitalium
[2016-11-24 21:51:00] anonymous789 : trollboxer: yes 'we', the ethereum supporters/investors/community
[2016-11-24 21:51:03] dimitry74 : What's the point of the coin if Vitalik and his friends can rewrite the blockchain history
[2016-11-24 21:51:19] anonymous789 : at least the ethereum community believes in its devs
[2016-11-24 21:51:32] trollboxer : but not the "we" that you left behind in etc right?
[2016-11-24 21:51:33] mjones : still got time to go for the largest liquidation award
[2016-11-24 21:51:35] anonymous789 : bitcoin is a f-ucking civil war
[2016-11-24 21:52:02] anonymous789 : trollboxer: those 'we' were a bunch of bitcoin maximalists that were trying to undermine ethereum
[2016-11-24 21:52:07] anonymous789 : barry silbert rings a bell
[2016-11-24 21:52:30] anonymous789 : people came out of the woodwork in support of etc, when they didn't even give two shits about ethereum prior
[2016-11-24 21:52:31] habibi : anonymous789: its same casus as classic vs new chain in eth, btc reddit has about 15% of bitcoin reddit
[2016-11-24 21:53:04] anonymous789 : too many leftists in bitcoin
[2016-11-24 21:53:08] anonymous789 : it'll never work like that
[2016-11-24 21:53:15] anonymous789 : you goes need to move to the center a bit
[2016-11-24 21:53:26] anonymous789 : then you'll see the guiding light of ethereum
[2016-11-24 21:53:28] trollboxer : How much more eth did those guys own before the fork, how many millions?
[2016-11-24 21:53:56] trollboxer : and how much eth did they need to own to avoid your bitcoin maximalist comment?
[2016-11-24 21:54:23] anonymous789 : the point was, they owned none, and after the fork, they owned a shit tonne of etc lmao
[2016-11-24 21:54:34] trollboxer : do you know how forks work?
[2016-11-24 21:54:40] trollboxer : you have to own before the fork
[2016-11-24 21:54:46] anonymous789 : lol...
[2016-11-24 21:54:49] anonymous789 : are you kidding me
[2016-11-24 21:55:00] anonymous789 : trollboxer please stop trolling me
[2016-11-24 21:55:44] habibi : anonymous789: truth is noone would do a shit if not vitalium fundation guys heavily invested into dao, more, argument that hacker would use that coins in future to spoil the pos network is as good as vitalium or some early adopters/whales in eth would do the same to play out theirs shorts
[2016-11-24 21:55:46] trollboxer : so you think everyone that has etc had no eth?
[2016-11-24 21:56:17] anonymous789 : not everyone, i flipped at 40%