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[2016-11-23 20:25:32] mjones : probably get adl around .1 to .15
[2016-11-23 20:25:52] wurstgelee : .03 to .048
[2016-11-23 20:26:05] wurstgelee : we didnt get to .03 tho right?
[2016-11-23 20:26:12] mjones : right
[2016-11-23 20:26:34] wurstgelee : .037?
[2016-11-23 20:26:47] mjones : yeah
[2016-11-23 20:27:04] wurstgelee : .035
[2016-11-23 20:27:08] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: bought 25 at 0.0375
[2016-11-23 20:27:25] arbitrage001 : then went to sleep
[2016-11-23 20:27:32] arbitrage001 : not sure if there is new low after
[2016-11-23 20:27:42] wurstgelee : is see some @ 0.03600
[2016-11-23 20:27:49] wurstgelee : scrolling down
[2016-11-23 20:27:50] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 20:28:29] anonymous789 : interesting gap here on this recent bounces. One thing i know about gaps, they almost always get closed shortly after
[2016-11-23 20:28:36] anonymous789 : bounce*
[2016-11-23 20:29:01] anonymous789 : i expect sharp drop at this level
[2016-11-23 20:29:11] anonymous789 : soon
[2016-11-23 20:29:11] mjones : only thing pumping Zec on here is you dont want to fail at doing it and end up with a ton more contracts
[2016-11-23 20:29:22] wurstgelee : lol no
[2016-11-23 20:29:41] wurstgelee : i have more than enoiugh
[2016-11-23 20:29:47] wurstgelee : unless it drops a lot ofc
[2016-11-23 20:32:14] mjones : btc climbing. didnt get in at $740 :(
[2016-11-23 20:32:18] wurstgelee : there is some fomo in the air over there @ polo....
[2016-11-23 20:32:34] wurstgelee : .0999
[2016-11-23 20:32:50] wurstgelee : .1
[2016-11-23 20:32:57] mjones : nice
[2016-11-23 20:34:01] mjones : remove your sell walls. lets pump on here
[2016-11-23 20:34:11] anonymous789 : mjones: should drop sharply soon i think
[2016-11-23 20:34:29] mjones : that 1 wall of 7 BTC should hold the market up
[2016-11-23 20:35:25] trollboxer : wow its going
[2016-11-23 20:36:29] mjones : knock out those 50 contract walls and this will be at 0.07 here
[2016-11-23 20:38:54] mjones : polo noobs dump at the first sign of profit
[2016-11-23 20:39:41] wurstgelee : wont stop the pump
[2016-11-23 20:40:06] wurstgelee : there is way more force behind it than a few noobs could stop if i am anywhere near correct with the acumulation thing
[2016-11-23 20:40:14] wurstgelee : *c
[2016-11-23 20:40:53] lopol : Perfect time to short after this zec pump
[2016-11-23 20:41:14] wurstgelee : lopol: how many longs do u want to get filled? 8)
[2016-11-23 20:41:24] mjones : short 0.05 and close at 0.037 soon
[2016-11-23 20:41:29] lopol : Short above 0.05 will make huge profits in December
[2016-11-23 20:42:11] lopol : Im happy I closed my short at 0.0485 at 5 btc profit
[2016-11-23 20:42:26] wurstgelee : lopol: so shorting 20% up from where "it bottomed" (your words) is a great idea?
[2016-11-23 20:42:28] lopol : New short after this pump
[2016-11-23 20:42:31] wurstgelee : oh ok
[2016-11-23 20:42:33] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 20:43:06] wurstgelee : well, depends on what u define as "this pump" i guess
[2016-11-23 20:43:07] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 20:43:21] mjones : btc pump should die at 5260 cny unless china whale goes crazy
[2016-11-23 20:44:03] lopol : May go over 0.15 but then will dump rapidly below 0.07 on polo because inflation
[2016-11-23 20:44:20] trollboxer : those sell walls are fake
[2016-11-23 20:44:26] trollboxer : they keep moving up and never getting filled
[2016-11-23 20:44:37] trollboxer : the 50qty
[2016-11-23 20:45:00] shiroe : shorted btc, longed xmr. double edge sword now, wish me luck
[2016-11-23 20:45:40] martinium : Btc faked out the shorts
[2016-11-23 20:46:02] wurstgelee : shorting btc ok...but right now?
[2016-11-23 20:46:10] wurstgelee : in this very minute?
[2016-11-23 20:47:38] trollboxer : looks like whoever was trying to surpress the zec market failed lol
[2016-11-23 20:47:51] trollboxer : .1 on polo, .5 here
[2016-11-23 20:47:54] wurstgelee : u cant suppress it here....
[2016-11-23 20:47:57] wurstgelee : it follows polo
[2016-11-23 20:48:07] wurstgelee : with some safety distance atm
[2016-11-23 20:48:09] wurstgelee : but it follows
[2016-11-23 20:48:16] wurstgelee : the distance will get smaller until dec 30
[2016-11-23 20:48:18] wurstgelee : simple as that
[2016-11-23 20:48:29] trollboxer : still hidden buy orders on the book
[2016-11-23 20:48:41] wurstgelee : like in every marlet?
[2016-11-23 20:48:46] wurstgelee : market
[2016-11-23 20:48:52] trollboxer : zec usually doesn't have them
[2016-11-23 20:48:59] wurstgelee : it always had them
[2016-11-23 20:49:06] wurstgelee : i know, because i always had them
[2016-11-23 20:49:25] Cryptlex : Why do I have a liquidation price with 1x margin on zec?
[2016-11-23 20:49:32] wurstgelee : Cryptlex: short?
[2016-11-23 20:49:42] Cryptlex : Long 1 contract
[2016-11-23 20:49:45] trollboxer : we've met the first short to get squeezed out :)
[2016-11-23 20:50:14] Cryptlex : odd even with 0.99x margin its still has liquidation price
[2016-11-23 20:50:21] wurstgelee : Cryptlex: thats weird
[2016-11-23 20:50:32] wurstgelee : switch to cross and back
[2016-11-23 20:50:38] wurstgelee : does that fix it?
[2016-11-23 20:51:10] Cryptlex : yea
[2016-11-23 20:51:16] Cryptlex : I guess im misunderstanding something
[2016-11-23 20:51:20] Cryptlex : =/
[2016-11-23 20:51:29] Mm bot : Zec reversal
[2016-11-23 20:51:56] Cryptlex : wurstgelee: thanks
[2016-11-23 20:52:38] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/mineZcash/status/801521654513987585
[2016-11-23 20:52:43] wurstgelee : thats why zec is awesome
[2016-11-23 20:53:14] Mm bot : Good luck with shorts goes. ZEC reversal has some legs to go
[2016-11-23 20:53:14] wurstgelee : u can send someone money and he doesnt know where it came from. or you can receive money and u dont know where it came from
[2016-11-23 20:53:46] wurstgelee : but u can prove that the money was received
[2016-11-23 20:53:46] Mm bot : s
[2016-11-23 20:53:49] wurstgelee : or that the money was sent
[2016-11-23 20:53:58] wurstgelee : try that with xmr ;)
[2016-11-23 20:55:23] lopol : Why was ZEC designed to have so huge inflation for several years?
[2016-11-23 20:55:32] lopol : Makes it very unattractive to buy
[2016-11-23 20:55:55] trollboxer : the details don't matter when its going to the moon baby
[2016-11-23 20:56:12] lopol : No it won't because onföstipn
[2016-11-23 20:56:18] lopol : Inflation
[2016-11-23 20:56:21] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/CarpeNoctom/status/801522508520374273
[2016-11-23 20:56:24] wurstgelee : for the cloud lovers here
[2016-11-23 20:56:40] wurstgelee : lopol: i really dont care for after the pump tbh
[2016-11-23 20:56:55] trollboxer : Is this where the cloud people come from?
[2016-11-23 20:56:58] wurstgelee : when my longs are closed, i immediately start to dgaf
[2016-11-23 20:57:32] mjones : lol xmr
[2016-11-23 20:57:35] wurstgelee : right now, its looking good
[2016-11-23 20:57:42] wurstgelee : thats all thats matters ;)
[2016-11-23 20:57:47] wurstgelee : *-s
[2016-11-23 20:58:09] mjones : xmr is just 1 big whale pool. whales just splashing around
[2016-11-23 20:58:14] prospecta : ^ bitmex savant wurst
[2016-11-23 20:59:01] rms : is there any way i can see outstanding zcash long and short contracts?
[2016-11-23 20:59:13] wurstgelee : prospecta: binging atm?
[2016-11-23 20:59:14] trollboxer : are you guys afraid trump will ban bitmex cause it sounds mexican?
[2016-11-23 20:59:24] wurstgelee : trollboxer: haha
[2016-11-23 20:59:37] wurstgelee : bitmex doesnt serve us customers iirc?
[2016-11-23 20:59:49] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-23 20:59:53] Nerve : Hahahahahaha
[2016-11-23 21:00:17] trollboxer : emperor trump only deals in absolutes
[2016-11-23 21:00:27] Nerve : What part of bitmex is mexican ? B or X ???
[2016-11-23 21:00:51] lockhedge : rms: open interest = 4816 contracts = longs = shorts
[2016-11-23 21:01:23] rms : thanks... where is that listed?
[2016-11-23 21:01:34] wurstgelee : More Details...
[2016-11-23 21:01:38] wurstgelee : left pane
[2016-11-23 21:01:45] rms : awesome, thanks
[2016-11-23 21:01:52] wurstgelee : yw
[2016-11-23 21:01:55] lockhedge : or mouse over open value
[2016-11-23 21:02:01] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 21:02:09] wurstgelee : why easy? we can do it complicated!
[2016-11-23 21:03:19] lopol : Well that was lame pump
[2016-11-23 21:03:26] trollboxer : which ticker
[2016-11-23 21:08:40] trollboxer : so zec could have went up to parity with spot and wiped out most of the shorts, with no limit, right?
[2016-11-23 21:08:48] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-23 21:09:00] trollboxer : then here it would price higher because the shorts had to close, right?
[2016-11-23 21:09:03] wurstgelee : could have gone to 100 btc (limit)
[2016-11-23 21:09:07] wurstgelee : theoretically
[2016-11-23 21:09:11] trollboxer : I know I should know this already, but i've only been here a few days
[2016-11-23 21:09:32] trollboxer : when they get liquidated, does rekt always say? does rekt every miss?
[2016-11-23 21:09:33] millrenrame1971 : Who knows exchange market for margin trading of zcash for hadge position?
[2016-11-23 21:09:55] trollboxer : does the hadge position involve slurpees?
[2016-11-23 21:09:59] trollboxer : hehe
[2016-11-23 21:10:23] wurstgelee : millrenrame1971: no margin elsewhere
[2016-11-23 21:10:32] wurstgelee : only futures here as well
[2016-11-23 21:10:47] millrenrame1971 : ok
[2016-11-23 21:10:51] shiroe : you can haz rekt.
[2016-11-23 21:11:00] wurstgelee : yes, lots of rekt here
[2016-11-23 21:11:22] trollboxer : I mean, how does rekt know when people are liquidated, is it a bot from the exchange direct?
[2016-11-23 21:12:16] CaptainDean : trollboxer: It's a bot who use the API to annonce the liquidation
[2016-11-23 21:12:23] CaptainDean : trollboxer: the information is public
[2016-11-23 21:12:31] trollboxer : lol i'm buying zec and hitting hidden orders priced 8 percent under
[2016-11-23 21:13:16] trollboxer : @captaindean thanks
[2016-11-23 21:14:48] trollboxer : the same 4 50qty sell orders have never been filled and just move up with price, that means he doesn't really want to sell right?
[2016-11-23 21:14:50] CaptainDean : trollboxer: np !
[2016-11-23 21:15:19] wurstgelee : trollboxer: thanks for the hint.
[2016-11-23 21:15:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 21:15:37] CaptainDean : trollboxer: probably an MM, selling X% over the price and buying x% under the price
[2016-11-23 21:15:43] wurstgelee : i removed the rest .05
[2016-11-23 21:15:47] wurstgelee : *sub .05
[2016-11-23 21:16:06] trollboxer : i'll help
[2016-11-23 21:16:46] wurstgelee : dinner time
[2016-11-23 21:16:48] wurstgelee : bbl
[2016-11-23 21:18:31] wurstgelee : this pump is so muhc not over...
[2016-11-23 21:18:35] wurstgelee : *much
[2016-11-23 21:30:24] martinium : The btc pump or zec?
[2016-11-23 21:30:34] wurstgelee : zec
[2016-11-23 21:30:43] wurstgelee : also btc
[2016-11-23 21:30:44] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 21:32:47] Tetsuo : Warren buffett sings when he gets asked about the future for BTC long holders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxJw4QEglbA&feature=youtu.be&t=36s
[2016-11-23 21:32:58] mjones : shorts feeling the pressure. only takes 1 whale to close their 300 zec short
[2016-11-23 21:33:27] trollboxer : lol someone tried to flash volume on red side
[2016-11-23 21:33:31] trollboxer : to scare the longs
[2016-11-23 21:33:36] trollboxer : on zec
[2016-11-23 21:34:19] rms : i wonder how long the .5x multiple on spot will be maintained for zcash futures
[2016-11-23 21:34:24] rms : a pretty arbitrary steady state...
[2016-11-23 21:34:32] trollboxer : not long apparently
[2016-11-23 21:34:49] rms : don't think it can last after full reward amounts are happening
[2016-11-23 21:34:52] rms : which is november 28?
[2016-11-23 21:34:55] trollboxer : i mean if you knew in 5 weeks you had to sell at spot
[2016-11-23 21:35:00] trollboxer : how much a discount would you risk now?
[2016-11-23 21:35:05] trollboxer : and they can pump you
[2016-11-23 21:35:20] trollboxer : they can buy hard on polo before settlement
[2016-11-23 21:35:22] trollboxer : to screw the shorts
[2016-11-23 21:36:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 15 @ 0.055363
[2016-11-23 21:36:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 38 @ 0.055657
[2016-11-23 21:36:45] imabeast : sorry just rekt some people
[2016-11-23 21:36:46] imabeast : lol
[2016-11-23 21:36:57] shiroe : meowth zec.
[2016-11-23 21:37:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 84 @ 0.057716
[2016-11-23 21:37:06] imabeast : oops
[2016-11-23 21:37:08] imabeast : :D
[2016-11-23 21:37:10] Tetsuo : here we go
[2016-11-23 21:37:19] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-23 21:37:27] wurstgelee : quelle surprise
[2016-11-23 21:37:33] rms : nice sell wall there for someone that wants an actual position
[2016-11-23 21:37:49] wurstgelee : i wouldnt buy .06 right now either
[2016-11-23 21:38:19] Tetsuo : i closed some @ 0.058
[2016-11-23 21:38:23] rms : it's hard to get volume on the market though, to buy that, you'd have to think that zcash will continue to go up and that the futures discount will correct
[2016-11-23 21:38:36] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: i considered it...but no
[2016-11-23 21:39:18] wurstgelee : it to close to full fomo zone atm imo
[2016-11-23 21:39:20] wurstgelee : *too
[2016-11-23 21:39:58] wurstgelee : its bulding buy support as soon as it moves up
[2016-11-23 21:40:05] wurstgelee : that didnt happen yesterday or earlier today
[2016-11-23 21:40:09] lopol : Great opportunity to short this zec bubble
[2016-11-23 21:40:09] trollboxer : some shorts are going to get sooo screwed
[2016-11-23 21:40:22] wurstgelee : lopol: right after a new high, great idea
[2016-11-23 21:40:40] lopol : That where the peak is
[2016-11-23 21:40:49] wurstgelee : so wait for confirmation and short then?
[2016-11-23 21:40:56] Dtrade16 : Guys we going back up to 750s?
[2016-11-23 21:40:57] lopol : Short from 0
[2016-11-23 21:41:01] wurstgelee : shorting new highs is just stupid gambling
[2016-11-23 21:41:04] lopol : Short from over 0
[2016-11-23 21:41:07] Dtrade16 : I bought at 740
[2016-11-23 21:41:17] rms : short term shorts are probably fine, but holding for more than a week and you can get crushed when the discount from spot corrects
[2016-11-23 21:41:26] wurstgelee : rms: yep
[2016-11-23 21:41:39] wurstgelee : deep pockets can easily push the market around now tho
[2016-11-23 21:41:44] lopol : Short from over 0.06 here would be very profitable on Dec 31
[2016-11-23 21:42:02] wurstgelee : the cant when liquidity is higher and we get closer to settlement
[2016-11-23 21:42:07] wurstgelee : *they
[2016-11-23 21:42:22] trollboxer : I don't think the shorts can hold out much longer
[2016-11-23 21:42:30] NL007 : short zecs could get rekt hard if zex keeps rising
[2016-11-23 21:42:34] NL007 : zec
[2016-11-23 21:42:57] mjones : damn almost at 0.07 with 4754 contracts open
[2016-11-23 21:43:08] Tetsuo : i also think that 0.08 will be reached in the next days, but i don´t have time to hold and watch a larger position in zec, stop loss is almost useless in zec
[2016-11-23 21:43:09] CaptainDean : isn't the game ? Short think it's the top, long think it is not :P
[2016-11-23 21:43:14] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: yes :D
[2016-11-23 21:45:29] CaptainDean : That's pretty ironic to tell a shorter is a gambler or a longer the same
[2016-11-23 21:46:23] mjones : it'd take 6-10 BTC to buy it up to 0.062 right now. it's a big gamble
[2016-11-23 21:46:26] trollboxer : I think if the shorts had any money, they'd have to sell into this rally to not get stopped out, no? Defend their position?
[2016-11-23 21:46:39] arbitrage001 : short have not-measurable risk
[2016-11-23 21:46:44] trollboxer : I guess that means they're out of money?
[2016-11-23 21:47:33] arbitrage001 : long have limited risk
[2016-11-23 21:48:28] rms : with only 2x leverage allowed, with a decent balance on here and cross margin you can maintain a zcash short nearly indefinitely
[2016-11-23 21:48:39] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: what arbitrage said
[2016-11-23 21:48:47] wurstgelee : longs have a well defined risk
[2016-11-23 21:48:52] arbitrage001 : rms: are you sure you have done the math right correctly?
[2016-11-23 21:48:54] wurstgelee : shorters dont
[2016-11-23 21:49:17] wurstgelee : and we still have that discount
[2016-11-23 21:49:29] j8 : he must not have been around for the launch
[2016-11-23 21:49:30] wurstgelee : zec doesnt even have to pump. time will do the rest...
[2016-11-23 21:49:41] wurstgelee : j8: probably ;)
[2016-11-23 21:49:43] rms : ok, not indefinitely, but a short can maintain through a doubling if they really want
[2016-11-23 21:50:03] wurstgelee : rms: were u around for the great short-fuckening at launch?
[2016-11-23 21:50:07] j8 : the price was 200 times this
[2016-11-23 21:50:30] j8 : doubling, ok easy
[2016-11-23 21:50:38] wurstgelee : ask those who opened a short @ .1 and got margin called q 7.8
[2016-11-23 21:50:41] wurstgelee : @
[2016-11-23 21:50:46] rms : i regret watching that from the sidelines
[2016-11-23 21:51:49] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: well that's suck, I wish I had 10 000 BTC so I can rek all the long
[2016-11-23 21:52:28] CaptainDean : that sucks**
[2016-11-23 21:54:40] CaptainDean : rms: I regret i didn't have the 10 BTC to sell a contract when they said they not remove the cap anymore
[2016-11-23 21:54:53] CaptainDean : they would not**
[2016-11-23 21:55:20] mike23aa : v
[2016-11-23 21:55:37] Tetsuo : ^
[2016-11-23 21:56:38] CaptainDean : quite a ride for Zec atm
[2016-11-23 21:56:45] Boontjie : CaptainDean: you needed 5
[2016-11-23 21:57:00] CaptainDean : Boontjie: i think 5 would had get me ADL
[2016-11-23 21:57:10] imabeast : im down for a quick adl
[2016-11-23 21:57:17] CaptainDean : Boontjie: but you might be right
[2016-11-23 21:57:18] imabeast : wow zec at .11 now
[2016-11-23 21:57:20] Boontjie : but you would still have profited
[2016-11-23 21:57:20] mjones : btc dumping. people buying zec to hedge
[2016-11-23 21:57:26] CaptainDean : Boontjie: yes !
[2016-11-23 21:57:48] Boontjie : mjones: 3 dollars bro
[2016-11-23 21:57:52] Boontjie : thats not a dump
[2016-11-23 21:58:27] Boontjie : its more like that feeling when you put your toe in really cold water. BTC is testing them
[2016-11-23 21:58:28] anonymous789 : closing the gap i was talking about earlier soon i'm sure
[2016-11-23 21:58:57] wurstgelee : welcome to the fomo zone
[2016-11-23 21:59:08] imabeast : well break .06 in a sec
[2016-11-23 21:59:18] imabeast : oop lmao
[2016-11-23 21:59:27] Boontjie : short will get filled yes
[2016-11-23 21:59:39] Boontjie : and then some :D
[2016-11-23 21:59:40] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: fomo ?
[2016-11-23 21:59:49] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: polo
[2016-11-23 21:59:53] arbitrage001 : some whale shorting
[2016-11-23 21:59:58] arbitrage001 : bring out the harpoon !!
[2016-11-23 22:00:18] Boontjie : slaying of the bearwhale
[2016-11-23 22:00:57] Nerve : wurstgelee: i want you to help me on next positions....offcourse, if you're agree too... i lost 2 BTC today, and almost 1 yesterday :d
[2016-11-23 22:01:12] arbitrage001 : Nerve: on?
[2016-11-23 22:01:28] Nerve : short
[2016-11-23 22:01:45] Nerve : from 731
[2016-11-23 22:02:02] Nerve : i'm a disaster
[2016-11-23 22:02:15] arbitrage001 : do you have experience trading?
[2016-11-23 22:02:21] b1tn1k : lighten your leverage
[2016-11-23 22:02:26] Tetsuo : b1tn1k: +1
[2016-11-23 22:02:47] wurstgelee : Nerve: that would help you. what i do is chaotic and hard to follow. even for myself . i have no clue why it works
[2016-11-23 22:02:50] Nerve : arbitrage001: no. i try to learn
[2016-11-23 22:02:56] wurstgelee : *wouldnt
[2016-11-23 22:03:07] arbitrage001 : Nerve: most traders lose money
[2016-11-23 22:03:26] arbitrage001 : even experience traders get blow out
[2016-11-23 22:03:37] wurstgelee : *works so far
[2016-11-23 22:03:43] Nerve : ofcourse....but they win too
[2016-11-23 22:03:46] Nerve : lol
[2016-11-23 22:03:53] arbitrage001 : they only need to lose 1 time big
[2016-11-23 22:03:56] CaptainDean : Nerve: low leverage, small position and learn. You'll only loose/earn a few dollards doing it
[2016-11-23 22:03:59] arbitrage001 : like zcash on first day
[2016-11-23 22:04:05] wurstgelee : i doesnt help u if u win for a year and thenblow it all in a stupid trade
[2016-11-23 22:04:11] arbitrage001 : to totally wipe out their whole year profit
[2016-11-23 22:04:15] wurstgelee : same rekt
[2016-11-23 22:04:36] wurstgelee : if not more...
[2016-11-23 22:04:49] wurstgelee : trhose mc's around 7 or 8 btc....
[2016-11-23 22:04:55] wurstgelee : big account on cross?
[2016-11-23 22:05:17] Nerve : wurstgelee: usualy 50x
[2016-11-23 22:05:23] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-11-23 22:05:26] arbitrage001 : it does look like zcash is on the move to wipe short out 2nd round
[2016-11-23 22:05:31] wurstgelee : 2x is max
[2016-11-23 22:05:39] wurstgelee : and 2x shorts would have been mc'ed WAY earlier
[2016-11-23 22:05:43] wurstgelee : they had to be cross
[2016-11-23 22:05:49] wurstgelee : or huge fixed margin
[2016-11-23 22:05:57] zanza : Zcash? more like Zbad
[2016-11-23 22:05:58] zanza : am i right
[2016-11-23 22:05:59] CaptainDean : Nerve: i'm pretty newb a this too, I almost lost my first all i had put here (for fun) then I learned to trade with less risk and lower position, and i'm only 0.03 BTC down ;-) So I pretty much make everything back.
[2016-11-23 22:06:25] CaptainDean : almost lost all i had put here**
[2016-11-23 22:06:50] RocketScience : i blame my impatience
[2016-11-23 22:06:57] CaptainDean : Nerve: but i had pretty lost evertyhing on one deal
[2016-11-23 22:06:58] wurstgelee : Nerve: also https://testnet.bitmex.com
[2016-11-23 22:07:03] wurstgelee : free training
[2016-11-23 22:07:06] wurstgelee : totally free
[2016-11-23 22:08:16] Boontjie : Nerve: Everybody gets totalled, its how you get back up that matters
[2016-11-23 22:09:05] Boontjie : People generally react in 2 ways: 1) Higher risk to "make the money back" 2) More caution, lower position sizes
[2016-11-23 22:09:29] Boontjie : 2) is good until you get back in the swing of things with higher than normal leverage
[2016-11-23 22:09:31] Nerve : wurstgelee: i will check that link
[2016-11-23 22:09:54] wurstgelee : Nerve: its the tesnet-version of bitmex. with testnet btc
[2016-11-23 22:09:59] wurstgelee : *testnet
[2016-11-23 22:10:01] Tetsuo : "let your winners run and cut your losses quickly" is also pretty helpful
[2016-11-23 22:10:14] Boontjie : Tetsuo: but really hard to do
[2016-11-23 22:10:19] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: yes. also hard to learn...for me.
[2016-11-23 22:10:22] Boontjie : like in really really hard
[2016-11-23 22:10:36] arbitrage001 : easy here
[2016-11-23 22:10:43] arbitrage001 : just let your position get rekt
[2016-11-23 22:10:46] CaptainDean : Nerve: someone posted me a few link when I started here, I will try to find them. Like a top 25 rules to follow and a book about someone who started trading in 1920-1930 if I remember correctly
[2016-11-23 22:10:47] Tetsuo : took me 2 years to learn it
[2016-11-23 22:10:48] Boontjie : lol
[2016-11-23 22:10:55] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: thats why i use 50x
[2016-11-23 22:11:02] wurstgelee : it cuts losses if i fail ;)
[2016-11-23 22:11:11] wurstgelee : safety switch
[2016-11-23 22:11:18] Boontjie : Tetsuo: ja, but sometimes you need to wait for your position, its not always easy to recognize wrong till you stare -10% in the face
[2016-11-23 22:11:18] Tetsuo : not on cross then i guess
[2016-11-23 22:11:23] wurstgelee : never
[2016-11-23 22:11:30] Nerve : wurstgelee: you know, i just loking for some quick tips...i @CaptainDean thats what i need
[2016-11-23 22:11:39] Tetsuo : short BTC long XMR
[2016-11-23 22:11:44] Tetsuo : go for it
[2016-11-23 22:11:46] NL007 : zec rekking coming soon
[2016-11-23 22:11:53] NL007 : XD
[2016-11-23 22:11:56] arbitrage001 : Nerve: having the right mindset takes time
[2016-11-23 22:11:58] Boontjie : Tetsuo: XMR is a long term short
[2016-11-23 22:12:05] Nerve : cause now i'm going like a blind mouse
[2016-11-23 22:12:20] wurstgelee : NL007: tfw i makes a new high seconds later
[2016-11-23 22:12:21] arbitrage001 : listening to traders here will probably speed things up
[2016-11-23 22:12:25] wurstgelee : *it
[2016-11-23 22:12:26] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-23 22:12:32] Tetsuo : Boontjie: XMR was a mid-term short above 0.0.2
[2016-11-23 22:12:44] NL007 : arbitrage001: lol
[2016-11-23 22:13:10] wurstgelee : .118
[2016-11-23 22:13:10] kingkrung : wurstgelee, happy now with zec?
[2016-11-23 22:13:11] Boontjie : Tetsuo: The anony-algo doesnt work correctly
[2016-11-23 22:13:13] wurstgelee : impressive
[2016-11-23 22:13:14] arbitrage001 : someone bought 100 @ 0.06
[2016-11-23 22:13:24] Boontjie : you need enough throughput with transactions of similar size to your own
[2016-11-23 22:13:31] Tetsuo : Boontjie: i don´t care about fundamentals
[2016-11-23 22:13:33] Boontjie : The network is not that large
[2016-11-23 22:13:37] Boontjie : lol ok
[2016-11-23 22:14:10] arbitrage001 : new high !
[2016-11-23 22:14:13] kingkrung : I closed my shorts at 0.48 and made 10 BTC profit. me happy..
[2016-11-23 22:14:15] wurstgelee : ofc
[2016-11-23 22:14:22] rms : ok now FOMO is really on on poloniex
[2016-11-23 22:14:22] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-11-23 22:14:57] kingkrung : fomo, but I am shure in a year zec will be less den 0.1 btc
[2016-11-23 22:15:30] wurstgelee : ofc fomo
[2016-11-23 22:15:46] RocketScience : 141 zec buy
[2016-11-23 22:15:53] arbitrage001 : kingkrung: all trades are short to middle term
[2016-11-23 22:16:06] arbitrage001 : i am also sure btc will worth close to 0 50 years from now
[2016-11-23 22:16:17] wurstgelee : ha
[2016-11-23 22:16:22] wurstgelee : or 1 bn
[2016-11-23 22:16:26] Tetsuo : talin about the price of an alt >1year is just foolish
[2016-11-23 22:16:45] wurstgelee : i am not interested in price of zec after dec 30 tbh
[2016-11-23 22:16:47] wurstgelee : right now
[2016-11-23 22:17:41] arbitrage001 : that was pretty bad short move
[2016-11-23 22:17:54] arbitrage001 : the way it is executed
[2016-11-23 22:18:01] Tetsuo : BTC-E highest western exchange right now
[2016-11-23 22:18:51] wurstgelee : btc-e?
[2016-11-23 22:18:55] wurstgelee : omg, btc is broken then
[2016-11-23 22:18:59] Tetsuo : so i guess all the fools have bought in by now
[2016-11-23 22:19:25] wurstgelee : id like to have a good btc dump with my zec pump tbh
[2016-11-23 22:19:27] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-23 22:19:38] Tetsuo : in the past if BTC-E was above all others we either pumped or dumped hard
[2016-11-23 22:21:41] mjones : some dirty money found its way to BTC-e
[2016-11-23 22:22:29] mjones : their volume has always been suspiciously high but not high enough to complain about
[2016-11-23 22:22:47] lockhedge : USD/RUB might be the cause for the BTC-E premium (up >1%)
[2016-11-23 22:23:18] mjones : btc-e double topped off the 2016 ath
[2016-11-23 22:23:20] zcashequalslambo : i think btc price is stalling becoz of those unconfirmed trades
[2016-11-23 22:23:31] sleger : trades ?
[2016-11-23 22:23:34] zcashequalslambo : it will go up quickly when the problem is resolved
[2016-11-23 22:23:38] zcashequalslambo : i mean transactions
[2016-11-23 22:23:53] zcashequalslambo : miners are not confirming them quick enough
[2016-11-23 22:23:54] mjones : zec
[2016-11-23 22:24:15] mjones : what a perfect name for my first born
[2016-11-23 22:24:22] sleger : seems like those miners are having some trouble finding blocks more often than every 10 min right @zcashequalslambo
[2016-11-23 22:24:42] Tetsuo : plz stop postin facts, thx
[2016-11-23 22:25:04] trollboxer : Why aren't there any rekt messages?
[2016-11-23 22:25:12] sleger : he's sleeping
[2016-11-23 22:25:23] lopol : such a great entry for short at 0,064
[2016-11-23 22:25:28] Tetsuo : he probably got rekt and is depressed
[2016-11-23 22:25:41] zcashequalslambo : 0.12 is good place to short from zec
[2016-11-23 22:25:42] Tetsuo : lopol: u will join his team soon
[2016-11-23 22:25:48] CaptainDean : not finding a block for 30 mins is call variance
[2016-11-23 22:26:16] CaptainDean : for BTC
[2016-11-23 22:26:16] trollboxer : poisson distribution baby
[2016-11-23 22:27:22] lopol : Tetsuo: this pump is over soon
[2016-11-23 22:28:20] wurstgelee : lopol: u said that @ .1
[2016-11-23 22:28:32] wurstgelee : in fact u said its over
[2016-11-23 22:30:09] arbitrage001 : someone really have conviction
[2016-11-23 22:30:15] CaptainDean : my guess is it is not yet over
[2016-11-23 22:30:16] CaptainDean : :P
[2016-11-23 22:30:17] lopol : i said 0.15 is top
[2016-11-23 22:30:18] arbitrage001 : the way they execute short
[2016-11-23 22:30:30] trollboxer : what do you mean execute short?
[2016-11-23 22:30:40] arbitrage001 : check the recent trade
[2016-11-23 22:30:53] Tetsuo : hate shortin
[2016-11-23 22:31:06] Tetsuo : hopin that others will follow
[2016-11-23 22:31:11] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-23 22:31:35] mjones : 5,009 open zec contracts.
[2016-11-23 22:31:39] wurstgelee : id like a good hard drop on not too much volume for some extra contracts tbh
[2016-11-23 22:32:04] trollboxer : if peopl ewere selling their shorts, it would show open interesting going down, no?
[2016-11-23 22:32:05] trollboxer : not up?
[2016-11-23 22:32:07] arbitrage001 : if someone want to short, they should execute the trade in a smarter way
[2016-11-23 22:32:19] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: yep, that was just dumb
[2016-11-23 22:32:32] wurstgelee : looked like rage dumping
[2016-11-23 22:32:33] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 22:32:48] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: yes, look like 5 years old kid getting angry
[2016-11-23 22:32:59] arbitrage001 : which make me feel more secure going long
[2016-11-23 22:32:59] trollboxer : open interest goes down if poeple close their positions right?
[2016-11-23 22:33:14] Tetsuo : hate shorters and rage dumpers prepare to meet your master soon: R E K T
[2016-11-23 22:33:25] wurstgelee : i pulled my order @ 0.02
[2016-11-23 22:33:31] wurstgelee : it will never get filled :|
[2016-11-23 22:33:48] zcashequalslambo : looking at the xmr chart, not taking btc impenging pump into account even i think its going to drop to 0.9 soon
[2016-11-23 22:33:55] wurstgelee : trollboxer: yes. if they close against another close
[2016-11-23 22:34:03] wurstgelee : otherwise it stays the same ofc
[2016-11-23 22:38:08] Tetsuo : so i finally hired a cleaning lady, which will start next week. Do i have to wear pants when she´s here? ?
[2016-11-23 22:38:50] Tetsuo : i wouldn´t like that tbh
[2016-11-23 22:39:24] BitMEX_Sam : Tetsuo: Depends on how much you're paying her
[2016-11-23 22:39:28] trollboxer : so what's going on with zec right now?
[2016-11-23 22:39:42] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Sam: : - )
[2016-11-23 22:42:41] sleger : Tetsuo: Strauss Kahn tried that before you did, didnt end well
[2016-11-23 22:42:47] Tetsuo : i hope that it isn´t rapids mom, last time i met her it was awful although different occupation
[2016-11-23 22:43:04] rms : my guess is that today's zcash pump is over but we are in a pumping cycle
[2016-11-23 22:43:22] trollboxer : whats a pumping cycle/
[2016-11-23 22:43:56] Tetsuo : opposite of a dumping cycle?
[2016-11-23 22:44:12] rms : whales regularly buying
[2016-11-23 22:44:14] trollboxer : i mean how often do they happen and how big do they get?
[2016-11-23 22:44:21] wurstgelee : trollboxer: google pork cycle to get an idea
[2016-11-23 22:44:24] Tetsuo : 2 weeks 686%
[2016-11-23 22:44:41] trollboxer : thats huge
[2016-11-23 22:46:01] wurstgelee : i am not even sure its over for today
[2016-11-23 22:46:06] Tetsuo : trollboxer: they mostly appear in leap-years
[2016-11-23 22:46:18] rapidtrades : guys wtf is going on
[2016-11-23 22:46:22] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: always an optimist
[2016-11-23 22:46:26] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: zec pump is on
[2016-11-23 22:46:28] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD
[2016-11-23 22:46:54] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: no. i dont underestimate the potential of polo
[2016-11-23 22:46:58] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: nice
[2016-11-23 22:47:11] rapidtrades : i see 50% discount still there tho
[2016-11-23 22:47:15] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-23 22:47:18] wurstgelee : also nice
[2016-11-23 22:47:29] wurstgelee : if i were u, i would consider breaking my rule ;)
[2016-11-23 22:47:39] Tetsuo : ADD!!!!
[2016-11-23 22:47:40] arbitrage001 : already loaded, wont buy more unless it drop to 0.01
[2016-11-23 22:47:42] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-23 22:47:49] wurstgelee : what Tesuo screamed
[2016-11-23 22:48:13] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: rapidtrades is long from 3 btc. 1 contract
[2016-11-23 22:48:23] wurstgelee : and refuses to add because "he doesnt add to losers"
[2016-11-23 22:48:26] wurstgelee : his quote
[2016-11-23 22:48:38] imabeast : lol
[2016-11-23 22:48:41] Tetsuo : we´re having fun about this fact for quite some time now
[2016-11-23 22:48:54] wurstgelee : thats just stupiid
[2016-11-23 22:49:04] wurstgelee : 10 contracts @ .035 and he would be well in the green now
[2016-11-23 22:49:14] Tetsuo : rapid loves to hate , that´s why he doesn´t add
[2016-11-23 22:49:34] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: no it needs to be 100
[2016-11-23 22:50:17] wurstgelee : no. but it seems like u need to rant and suffer
[2016-11-23 22:52:49] rapidtrades : 0.11 cmon posers move this coin
[2016-11-23 22:54:32] imabeast : .12 was top itll cool down for a bit
[2016-11-23 22:55:27] trollboxer : look more fake sell pressure in zec
[2016-11-23 22:55:37] trollboxer : didn't work last time lol
[2016-11-23 22:56:37] QA : Hi, Is bitmex only do Futures or i can do Spot such as change BTC to LTC ?
[2016-11-23 22:56:49] wurstgelee : no spot
[2016-11-23 22:56:50] Tetsuo : Spot is only available for ZEC
[2016-11-23 22:56:56] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-23 22:57:27] QA : Tetsuo: but i do not get text said withdraw to ZEC
[2016-11-23 22:57:37] wurstgelee : yeah, bitmex_sam will deliver the zec you bought here to your home, personally. in his pink tutu.
[2016-11-23 22:58:04] Tetsuo : have u signed for premium VIP status? Probably not as your nick is not green
[2016-11-23 22:58:37] QA : i just new here, come on ~
[2016-11-23 22:58:46] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-23 22:58:49] wurstgelee : no spot here
[2016-11-23 22:58:55] wurstgelee : all contracts executed and settled in btc
[2016-11-23 22:59:14] QA : wurstgelee: okay, thanks for your tutu in pink :P
[2016-11-23 22:59:27] wurstgelee : np, you're welcome
[2016-11-23 22:59:34] wurstgelee : its sam's tutu tho
[2016-11-23 23:00:07] QA : never mind, i prefer yours
[2016-11-23 23:00:39] QA : so, bitmex is a totally Futures Market ?
[2016-11-23 23:01:10] CaptainDean : QA: i prefer yours => LOOOL
[2016-11-23 23:02:02] QA : maybe i should change nick name to CaptainJack
[2016-11-23 23:02:46] Tetsuo : JackShit?
[2016-11-23 23:03:02] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/272495768902959104
[2016-11-23 23:03:07] wurstgelee : people rewteeting that now
[2016-11-23 23:03:09] wurstgelee : i laughed
[2016-11-23 23:03:16] QA : fine, fine, fine