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[2016-11-23 19:17:44] mjones : etc buy side only has 4 orders
[2016-11-23 19:17:47] trollboxer : pouring the bowl directly into my mouth saves on cleanup
[2016-11-23 19:18:10] sleger : trollboxer: not for your clothes though
[2016-11-23 19:18:18] trollboxer : I have a really big mouth
[2016-11-23 19:18:25] wurstgelee : trollboxer: use the pot, more efficient
[2016-11-23 19:18:26] sleger : rapid you confirm ?
[2016-11-23 19:18:31] trollboxer : and I don't wear clothes at home
[2016-11-23 19:18:41] wurstgelee : its winter ffs
[2016-11-23 19:18:51] sleger : well thats when we have heat
[2016-11-23 19:19:04] wurstgelee : yeah ofc.
[2016-11-23 19:19:06] trollboxer : thats why we have mining
[2016-11-23 19:19:39] wurstgelee : i like to smoke. i dont like smoke in the room. i dont like going outside when its cold.
[2016-11-23 19:19:47] wurstgelee : dont smoke is not an option
[2016-11-23 19:19:52] wurstgelee : thats the riddle
[2016-11-23 19:20:15] sleger : hole through the wall that you can plug
[2016-11-23 19:20:19] trollboxer : plexiglass cylinder over head for smoking, like a fishtank
[2016-11-23 19:20:20] wurstgelee : its way above 20°C in here ofc
[2016-11-23 19:20:34] wurstgelee : but window open a bit and cold outside. so no 25° ;)
[2016-11-23 19:20:55] wurstgelee : great ideas
[2016-11-23 19:20:58] trollboxer : e-cigarettes are great after e-sex
[2016-11-23 19:21:04] wurstgelee : should make a gofundme
[2016-11-23 19:30:37] martinium : Guess longs dont care about the funding coming up
[2016-11-23 19:31:34] mjones : nope
[2016-11-23 19:31:43] mjones : btc = moon = soon
[2016-11-23 19:32:10] lockhedge : they care too much, we are trading at >0.2% discount
[2016-11-23 19:41:05] leetsp33ch : IRC rulez
[2016-11-23 19:45:45] wurstgelee : i wonder if someone is seriously trying to sellwall zec futures?
[2016-11-23 19:47:35] trollboxer : those 50 qty have been there forever
[2016-11-23 19:48:04] arbitrage001 : good bet if less than 15 days to expiration
[2016-11-23 19:48:34] arbitrage001 : should consider zcash investors trying to lock in profit here also
[2016-11-23 19:48:57] arbitrage001 : roger the cunt doing another round of pump and dump
[2016-11-23 19:49:25] trollboxer : he do other coins?
[2016-11-23 19:49:50] arbitrage001 : xmr the recent one
[2016-11-23 19:49:58] arbitrage001 : and zcash now
[2016-11-23 19:50:04] arbitrage001 : not to mention in the past
[2016-11-23 19:50:10] arbitrage001 : mtgox, bitfinex
[2016-11-23 19:50:17] trollboxer : didnt know
[2016-11-23 19:50:22] arbitrage001 : has been wrong so far every time
[2016-11-23 19:50:26] arbitrage001 : except zcash
[2016-11-23 19:50:35] arbitrage001 : and finex
[2016-11-23 19:50:45] trollboxer : bitpay
[2016-11-23 19:51:46] arbitrage001 : and the drama he has with okc
[2016-11-23 19:55:50] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/bitfinex/status/801513380926341120 ?
[2016-11-23 19:56:45] trollboxer : eth, lets make ummutibility mutable again
[2016-11-23 20:02:47] mjones : no wonder etc is dumping
[2016-11-23 20:03:12] mjones : someone shorted everything they could on bitmex
[2016-11-23 20:04:55] dasdfasdf : mjones: ?
[2016-11-23 20:05:04] mjones : etc having network issues
[2016-11-23 20:05:08] wurstgelee : mjones: i shorted, but only 5k
[2016-11-23 20:05:23] wurstgelee : i read that finex tweet 2 mins after it was posted
[2016-11-23 20:05:28] wurstgelee : insta-short
[2016-11-23 20:05:29] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 20:05:44] mjones : spread too big on etc for me to play
[2016-11-23 20:05:44] wurstgelee : those 13 mins ago
[2016-11-23 20:05:51] wurstgelee : nope..but that news...
[2016-11-23 20:06:44] mjones : etc dumped hard 53 minutes ago on polo and hasnt moved since
[2016-11-23 20:06:56] wurstgelee : dunno if it dumps much, but i assume it wont pump at least
[2016-11-23 20:06:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 20:07:07] wurstgelee : mjones: yep
[2016-11-23 20:07:42] wurstgelee : zcash going for it again
[2016-11-23 20:09:05] wurstgelee : new 24h high would be nice now
[2016-11-23 20:09:36] mjones : someone is trying. see if they can get everyone else on polo to join in
[2016-11-23 20:10:30] arbitrage001 : pointless to pump
[2016-11-23 20:10:39] wurstgelee : mjones: could be accumulation too tho
[2016-11-23 20:10:40] arbitrage001 : rather have traders pump on expire date
[2016-11-23 20:11:04] arbitrage001 : pump to 1btc on dec 30th would be nice
[2016-11-23 20:11:05] wurstgelee : remember? zec launch pump kind was unseen before...
[2016-11-23 20:11:23] arbitrage001 : pumping to 1btc is kind of pointless if no rekt
[2016-11-23 20:11:58] wurstgelee : this is different than other coins which have public icos. whales who bought all those shitloads of coins over the last days HAVE to pump fast because of the rapidly increasing supply
[2016-11-23 20:12:03] wurstgelee : patience doesnt work
[2016-11-23 20:12:09] wurstgelee : so doesnt slow accumulation
[2016-11-23 20:12:12] wurstgelee : for the same reason
[2016-11-23 20:12:18] mjones : that's my thinking too
[2016-11-23 20:12:24] wurstgelee : so if u want an early pump, u have to accumulate aggressively
[2016-11-23 20:12:34] wurstgelee : and thats what we see the last almost 3 days here
[2016-11-23 20:12:35] arbitrage001 : the ico process is done in an anti pump and dump way
[2016-11-23 20:12:40] arbitrage001 : problem is
[2016-11-23 20:12:40] wurstgelee : no new high attemps, accumulation...
[2016-11-23 20:12:46] arbitrage001 : pumping wasnt done by investors
[2016-11-23 20:12:51] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: right.
[2016-11-23 20:12:54] arbitrage001 : just switcing it to traders
[2016-11-23 20:12:59] wurstgelee : so everyone started with 0.
[2016-11-23 20:13:16] wurstgelee : so agreesive accumulation is even more in order than when u can prebuy large stashes
[2016-11-23 20:13:27] wurstgelee : *aggressive
[2016-11-23 20:13:37] wurstgelee : .095 btw
[2016-11-23 20:13:43] wurstgelee : 0.096
[2016-11-23 20:14:01] arbitrage001 : i will be quite happy if it settle above 0.11
[2016-11-23 20:14:22] arbitrage001 : very very happy if it settle at 0.5
[2016-11-23 20:14:30] arbitrage001 : but that is unrealistic
[2016-11-23 20:14:39] wurstgelee : nah, .05 isnt enough
[2016-11-23 20:14:50] arbitrage001 : you mean 0.5
[2016-11-23 20:15:13] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-23 20:15:21] lopol : Just closed 70 zec short for profit
[2016-11-23 20:15:30] wurstgelee : this attempt seems more serious than the last puny ones
[2016-11-23 20:15:33] lopol : Seems like it has bottomed
[2016-11-23 20:15:39] wurstgelee : lopol: yep
[2016-11-23 20:15:41] prospecta : zec pamp
[2016-11-23 20:15:48] arbitrage001 : i am worry if shorters are closing
[2016-11-23 20:16:58] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: dont be. its gonna be glorious
[2016-11-23 20:17:07] wurstgelee : all those shorts opened in the mid 30s...
[2016-11-23 20:17:21] arbitrage001 : 4700 outstsanding contracts
[2016-11-23 20:17:25] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-23 20:17:34] wurstgelee : and the most below or ~ 40
[2016-11-23 20:17:35] wurstgelee : by far
[2016-11-23 20:17:38] arbitrage001 : when rally really begin, no one going to provide liquidity for them to close
[2016-11-23 20:17:52] trollboxer : could be a big spike
[2016-11-23 20:17:56] lopol : Why would you think that?
[2016-11-23 20:17:57] wurstgelee : 2k added in the last 2 days or so
[2016-11-23 20:18:00] trollboxer : i've never got to see a big liquidation before
[2016-11-23 20:18:04] lopol : Most shorts are in profit now
[2016-11-23 20:18:20] arbitrage001 : the 2k added below the 0.04 price
[2016-11-23 20:18:33] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-23 20:18:57] habibi : i guess guys u panic more then shorters :D
[2016-11-23 20:18:59] wurstgelee : wat a giant squeeze we will have :)
[2016-11-23 20:19:03] wurstgelee : lol no
[2016-11-23 20:19:05] wurstgelee : really not
[2016-11-23 20:19:37] trollboxer : the guy with the 50 orders is trying to hold the market down
[2016-11-23 20:19:47] wurstgelee : i am ~ 5% of my total zec profits here underwater atm
[2016-11-23 20:19:52] mjones : most zec opened below 0.07
[2016-11-23 20:19:53] habibi : trollboxer: he is simply opening shorts
[2016-11-23 20:20:01] wurstgelee : and i also made a lot with mining it
[2016-11-23 20:20:08] wurstgelee : so i am perfectly comfortable
[2016-11-23 20:20:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 5919 @ 759.88
[2016-11-23 20:20:38] trollboxer : The shorts are going to get sooo screwed in 5 weeks
[2016-11-23 20:21:04] arbitrage001 : trollboxer: nothing is certain
[2016-11-23 20:21:16] arbitrage001 : long or short are gamblers
[2016-11-23 20:22:13] trollboxer : yeah but the buyers can pump , the shorters can't
[2016-11-23 20:22:23] arbitrage001 : right
[2016-11-23 20:22:31] trollboxer : you can pump the underlying on polo, you can't short there
[2016-11-23 20:22:40] trollboxer : so the shorters are screwed on here
[2016-11-23 20:22:46] arbitrage001 : long have edge going in
[2016-11-23 20:23:01] arbitrage001 : but there are other uncertainty
[2016-11-23 20:23:26] arbitrage001 : also depend on price you go in
[2016-11-23 20:23:28] arbitrage001 : for instance
[2016-11-23 20:23:38] arbitrage001 : rapid 3btc is unlikely to profit
[2016-11-23 20:23:47] mjones : new zec high
[2016-11-23 20:24:02] wurstgelee : ding ding ding
[2016-11-23 20:24:03] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 20:24:11] arbitrage001 : but if it does reach 3btc in a highly unlikely event
[2016-11-23 20:24:18] wurstgelee : completely
[2016-11-23 20:24:18] arbitrage001 : i will profit even more
[2016-11-23 20:24:30] wurstgelee : adl way earlier probably
[2016-11-23 20:25:27] wurstgelee : i can already smell a hint of short squeeze
[2016-11-23 20:25:29] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-23 20:25:32] mjones : probably get adl around .1 to .15
[2016-11-23 20:25:52] wurstgelee : .03 to .048
[2016-11-23 20:26:05] wurstgelee : we didnt get to .03 tho right?
[2016-11-23 20:26:12] mjones : right
[2016-11-23 20:26:34] wurstgelee : .037?
[2016-11-23 20:26:47] mjones : yeah
[2016-11-23 20:27:04] wurstgelee : .035
[2016-11-23 20:27:08] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: bought 25 at 0.0375
[2016-11-23 20:27:25] arbitrage001 : then went to sleep
[2016-11-23 20:27:32] arbitrage001 : not sure if there is new low after
[2016-11-23 20:27:42] wurstgelee : is see some @ 0.03600
[2016-11-23 20:27:49] wurstgelee : scrolling down
[2016-11-23 20:27:50] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 20:28:29] anonymous789 : interesting gap here on this recent bounces. One thing i know about gaps, they almost always get closed shortly after
[2016-11-23 20:28:36] anonymous789 : bounce*
[2016-11-23 20:29:01] anonymous789 : i expect sharp drop at this level
[2016-11-23 20:29:11] anonymous789 : soon
[2016-11-23 20:29:11] mjones : only thing pumping Zec on here is you dont want to fail at doing it and end up with a ton more contracts
[2016-11-23 20:29:22] wurstgelee : lol no
[2016-11-23 20:29:41] wurstgelee : i have more than enoiugh
[2016-11-23 20:29:47] wurstgelee : unless it drops a lot ofc
[2016-11-23 20:32:14] mjones : btc climbing. didnt get in at $740 :(
[2016-11-23 20:32:18] wurstgelee : there is some fomo in the air over there @ polo....
[2016-11-23 20:32:34] wurstgelee : .0999
[2016-11-23 20:32:50] wurstgelee : .1
[2016-11-23 20:32:57] mjones : nice
[2016-11-23 20:34:01] mjones : remove your sell walls. lets pump on here
[2016-11-23 20:34:11] anonymous789 : mjones: should drop sharply soon i think
[2016-11-23 20:34:29] mjones : that 1 wall of 7 BTC should hold the market up
[2016-11-23 20:35:25] trollboxer : wow its going
[2016-11-23 20:36:29] mjones : knock out those 50 contract walls and this will be at 0.07 here
[2016-11-23 20:38:54] mjones : polo noobs dump at the first sign of profit
[2016-11-23 20:39:41] wurstgelee : wont stop the pump
[2016-11-23 20:40:06] wurstgelee : there is way more force behind it than a few noobs could stop if i am anywhere near correct with the acumulation thing
[2016-11-23 20:40:14] wurstgelee : *c
[2016-11-23 20:40:53] lopol : Perfect time to short after this zec pump
[2016-11-23 20:41:14] wurstgelee : lopol: how many longs do u want to get filled? 8)
[2016-11-23 20:41:24] mjones : short 0.05 and close at 0.037 soon
[2016-11-23 20:41:29] lopol : Short above 0.05 will make huge profits in December
[2016-11-23 20:42:11] lopol : Im happy I closed my short at 0.0485 at 5 btc profit
[2016-11-23 20:42:26] wurstgelee : lopol: so shorting 20% up from where "it bottomed" (your words) is a great idea?
[2016-11-23 20:42:28] lopol : New short after this pump
[2016-11-23 20:42:31] wurstgelee : oh ok
[2016-11-23 20:42:33] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 20:43:06] wurstgelee : well, depends on what u define as "this pump" i guess
[2016-11-23 20:43:07] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 20:43:21] mjones : btc pump should die at 5260 cny unless china whale goes crazy
[2016-11-23 20:44:03] lopol : May go over 0.15 but then will dump rapidly below 0.07 on polo because inflation
[2016-11-23 20:44:20] trollboxer : those sell walls are fake
[2016-11-23 20:44:26] trollboxer : they keep moving up and never getting filled
[2016-11-23 20:44:37] trollboxer : the 50qty
[2016-11-23 20:45:00] shiroe : shorted btc, longed xmr. double edge sword now, wish me luck
[2016-11-23 20:45:40] martinium : Btc faked out the shorts
[2016-11-23 20:46:02] wurstgelee : shorting btc ok...but right now?
[2016-11-23 20:46:10] wurstgelee : in this very minute?
[2016-11-23 20:47:38] trollboxer : looks like whoever was trying to surpress the zec market failed lol
[2016-11-23 20:47:51] trollboxer : .1 on polo, .5 here
[2016-11-23 20:47:54] wurstgelee : u cant suppress it here....
[2016-11-23 20:47:57] wurstgelee : it follows polo
[2016-11-23 20:48:07] wurstgelee : with some safety distance atm
[2016-11-23 20:48:09] wurstgelee : but it follows
[2016-11-23 20:48:16] wurstgelee : the distance will get smaller until dec 30
[2016-11-23 20:48:18] wurstgelee : simple as that
[2016-11-23 20:48:29] trollboxer : still hidden buy orders on the book
[2016-11-23 20:48:41] wurstgelee : like in every marlet?
[2016-11-23 20:48:46] wurstgelee : market
[2016-11-23 20:48:52] trollboxer : zec usually doesn't have them
[2016-11-23 20:48:59] wurstgelee : it always had them
[2016-11-23 20:49:06] wurstgelee : i know, because i always had them
[2016-11-23 20:49:25] Cryptlex : Why do I have a liquidation price with 1x margin on zec?
[2016-11-23 20:49:32] wurstgelee : Cryptlex: short?
[2016-11-23 20:49:42] Cryptlex : Long 1 contract
[2016-11-23 20:49:45] trollboxer : we've met the first short to get squeezed out :)
[2016-11-23 20:50:14] Cryptlex : odd even with 0.99x margin its still has liquidation price
[2016-11-23 20:50:21] wurstgelee : Cryptlex: thats weird
[2016-11-23 20:50:32] wurstgelee : switch to cross and back
[2016-11-23 20:50:38] wurstgelee : does that fix it?
[2016-11-23 20:51:10] Cryptlex : yea
[2016-11-23 20:51:16] Cryptlex : I guess im misunderstanding something
[2016-11-23 20:51:20] Cryptlex : =/
[2016-11-23 20:51:29] Mm bot : Zec reversal
[2016-11-23 20:51:56] Cryptlex : wurstgelee: thanks
[2016-11-23 20:52:38] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/mineZcash/status/801521654513987585
[2016-11-23 20:52:43] wurstgelee : thats why zec is awesome
[2016-11-23 20:53:14] Mm bot : Good luck with shorts goes. ZEC reversal has some legs to go
[2016-11-23 20:53:14] wurstgelee : u can send someone money and he doesnt know where it came from. or you can receive money and u dont know where it came from
[2016-11-23 20:53:46] wurstgelee : but u can prove that the money was received
[2016-11-23 20:53:46] Mm bot : s
[2016-11-23 20:53:49] wurstgelee : or that the money was sent
[2016-11-23 20:53:58] wurstgelee : try that with xmr ;)
[2016-11-23 20:55:23] lopol : Why was ZEC designed to have so huge inflation for several years?
[2016-11-23 20:55:32] lopol : Makes it very unattractive to buy
[2016-11-23 20:55:55] trollboxer : the details don't matter when its going to the moon baby
[2016-11-23 20:56:12] lopol : No it won't because onföstipn
[2016-11-23 20:56:18] lopol : Inflation
[2016-11-23 20:56:21] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/CarpeNoctom/status/801522508520374273
[2016-11-23 20:56:24] wurstgelee : for the cloud lovers here
[2016-11-23 20:56:40] wurstgelee : lopol: i really dont care for after the pump tbh
[2016-11-23 20:56:55] trollboxer : Is this where the cloud people come from?
[2016-11-23 20:56:58] wurstgelee : when my longs are closed, i immediately start to dgaf
[2016-11-23 20:57:32] mjones : lol xmr
[2016-11-23 20:57:35] wurstgelee : right now, its looking good
[2016-11-23 20:57:42] wurstgelee : thats all thats matters ;)
[2016-11-23 20:57:47] wurstgelee : *-s
[2016-11-23 20:58:09] mjones : xmr is just 1 big whale pool. whales just splashing around
[2016-11-23 20:58:14] prospecta : ^ bitmex savant wurst
[2016-11-23 20:59:01] rms : is there any way i can see outstanding zcash long and short contracts?
[2016-11-23 20:59:13] wurstgelee : prospecta: binging atm?
[2016-11-23 20:59:14] trollboxer : are you guys afraid trump will ban bitmex cause it sounds mexican?
[2016-11-23 20:59:24] wurstgelee : trollboxer: haha
[2016-11-23 20:59:37] wurstgelee : bitmex doesnt serve us customers iirc?
[2016-11-23 20:59:49] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-23 20:59:53] Nerve : Hahahahahaha
[2016-11-23 21:00:17] trollboxer : emperor trump only deals in absolutes
[2016-11-23 21:00:27] Nerve : What part of bitmex is mexican ? B or X ???
[2016-11-23 21:00:51] lockhedge : rms: open interest = 4816 contracts = longs = shorts
[2016-11-23 21:01:23] rms : thanks... where is that listed?
[2016-11-23 21:01:34] wurstgelee : More Details...
[2016-11-23 21:01:38] wurstgelee : left pane
[2016-11-23 21:01:45] rms : awesome, thanks
[2016-11-23 21:01:52] wurstgelee : yw
[2016-11-23 21:01:55] lockhedge : or mouse over open value
[2016-11-23 21:02:01] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 21:02:09] wurstgelee : why easy? we can do it complicated!
[2016-11-23 21:03:19] lopol : Well that was lame pump
[2016-11-23 21:03:26] trollboxer : which ticker
[2016-11-23 21:08:40] trollboxer : so zec could have went up to parity with spot and wiped out most of the shorts, with no limit, right?
[2016-11-23 21:08:48] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-23 21:09:00] trollboxer : then here it would price higher because the shorts had to close, right?
[2016-11-23 21:09:03] wurstgelee : could have gone to 100 btc (limit)
[2016-11-23 21:09:07] wurstgelee : theoretically
[2016-11-23 21:09:11] trollboxer : I know I should know this already, but i've only been here a few days
[2016-11-23 21:09:32] trollboxer : when they get liquidated, does rekt always say? does rekt every miss?
[2016-11-23 21:09:33] millrenrame1971 : Who knows exchange market for margin trading of zcash for hadge position?
[2016-11-23 21:09:55] trollboxer : does the hadge position involve slurpees?
[2016-11-23 21:09:59] trollboxer : hehe
[2016-11-23 21:10:23] wurstgelee : millrenrame1971: no margin elsewhere
[2016-11-23 21:10:32] wurstgelee : only futures here as well
[2016-11-23 21:10:47] millrenrame1971 : ok
[2016-11-23 21:10:51] shiroe : you can haz rekt.
[2016-11-23 21:11:00] wurstgelee : yes, lots of rekt here
[2016-11-23 21:11:22] trollboxer : I mean, how does rekt know when people are liquidated, is it a bot from the exchange direct?
[2016-11-23 21:12:16] CaptainDean : trollboxer: It's a bot who use the API to annonce the liquidation
[2016-11-23 21:12:23] CaptainDean : trollboxer: the information is public
[2016-11-23 21:12:31] trollboxer : lol i'm buying zec and hitting hidden orders priced 8 percent under
[2016-11-23 21:13:16] trollboxer : @captaindean thanks
[2016-11-23 21:14:48] trollboxer : the same 4 50qty sell orders have never been filled and just move up with price, that means he doesn't really want to sell right?
[2016-11-23 21:14:50] CaptainDean : trollboxer: np !
[2016-11-23 21:15:19] wurstgelee : trollboxer: thanks for the hint.
[2016-11-23 21:15:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 21:15:37] CaptainDean : trollboxer: probably an MM, selling X% over the price and buying x% under the price
[2016-11-23 21:15:43] wurstgelee : i removed the rest .05
[2016-11-23 21:15:47] wurstgelee : *sub .05
[2016-11-23 21:16:06] trollboxer : i'll help
[2016-11-23 21:16:46] wurstgelee : dinner time
[2016-11-23 21:16:48] wurstgelee : bbl
[2016-11-23 21:18:31] wurstgelee : this pump is so muhc not over...
[2016-11-23 21:18:35] wurstgelee : *much
[2016-11-23 21:30:24] martinium : The btc pump or zec?
[2016-11-23 21:30:34] wurstgelee : zec
[2016-11-23 21:30:43] wurstgelee : also btc
[2016-11-23 21:30:44] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 21:32:47] Tetsuo : Warren buffett sings when he gets asked about the future for BTC long holders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxJw4QEglbA&feature=youtu.be&t=36s
[2016-11-23 21:32:58] mjones : shorts feeling the pressure. only takes 1 whale to close their 300 zec short
[2016-11-23 21:33:27] trollboxer : lol someone tried to flash volume on red side
[2016-11-23 21:33:31] trollboxer : to scare the longs
[2016-11-23 21:33:36] trollboxer : on zec
[2016-11-23 21:34:19] rms : i wonder how long the .5x multiple on spot will be maintained for zcash futures
[2016-11-23 21:34:24] rms : a pretty arbitrary steady state...
[2016-11-23 21:34:32] trollboxer : not long apparently
[2016-11-23 21:34:49] rms : don't think it can last after full reward amounts are happening
[2016-11-23 21:34:52] rms : which is november 28?
[2016-11-23 21:34:55] trollboxer : i mean if you knew in 5 weeks you had to sell at spot
[2016-11-23 21:35:00] trollboxer : how much a discount would you risk now?
[2016-11-23 21:35:05] trollboxer : and they can pump you
[2016-11-23 21:35:20] trollboxer : they can buy hard on polo before settlement
[2016-11-23 21:35:22] trollboxer : to screw the shorts
[2016-11-23 21:36:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 15 @ 0.055363
[2016-11-23 21:36:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 38 @ 0.055657
[2016-11-23 21:36:45] imabeast : sorry just rekt some people
[2016-11-23 21:36:46] imabeast : lol
[2016-11-23 21:36:57] shiroe : meowth zec.
[2016-11-23 21:37:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 84 @ 0.057716
[2016-11-23 21:37:06] imabeast : oops
[2016-11-23 21:37:08] imabeast : :D
[2016-11-23 21:37:10] Tetsuo : here we go
[2016-11-23 21:37:19] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-23 21:37:27] wurstgelee : quelle surprise
[2016-11-23 21:37:33] rms : nice sell wall there for someone that wants an actual position
[2016-11-23 21:37:49] wurstgelee : i wouldnt buy .06 right now either
[2016-11-23 21:38:19] Tetsuo : i closed some @ 0.058
[2016-11-23 21:38:23] rms : it's hard to get volume on the market though, to buy that, you'd have to think that zcash will continue to go up and that the futures discount will correct
[2016-11-23 21:38:36] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: i considered it...but no
[2016-11-23 21:39:18] wurstgelee : it to close to full fomo zone atm imo
[2016-11-23 21:39:20] wurstgelee : *too
[2016-11-23 21:39:58] wurstgelee : its bulding buy support as soon as it moves up
[2016-11-23 21:40:05] wurstgelee : that didnt happen yesterday or earlier today
[2016-11-23 21:40:09] lopol : Great opportunity to short this zec bubble
[2016-11-23 21:40:09] trollboxer : some shorts are going to get sooo screwed
[2016-11-23 21:40:22] wurstgelee : lopol: right after a new high, great idea
[2016-11-23 21:40:40] lopol : That where the peak is
[2016-11-23 21:40:49] wurstgelee : so wait for confirmation and short then?
[2016-11-23 21:40:56] Dtrade16 : Guys we going back up to 750s?
[2016-11-23 21:40:57] lopol : Short from 0
[2016-11-23 21:41:01] wurstgelee : shorting new highs is just stupid gambling
[2016-11-23 21:41:04] lopol : Short from over 0
[2016-11-23 21:41:07] Dtrade16 : I bought at 740
[2016-11-23 21:41:17] rms : short term shorts are probably fine, but holding for more than a week and you can get crushed when the discount from spot corrects
[2016-11-23 21:41:26] wurstgelee : rms: yep
[2016-11-23 21:41:39] wurstgelee : deep pockets can easily push the market around now tho
[2016-11-23 21:41:44] lopol : Short from over 0.06 here would be very profitable on Dec 31
[2016-11-23 21:42:02] wurstgelee : the cant when liquidity is higher and we get closer to settlement
[2016-11-23 21:42:07] wurstgelee : *they
[2016-11-23 21:42:22] trollboxer : I don't think the shorts can hold out much longer
[2016-11-23 21:42:30] NL007 : short zecs could get rekt hard if zex keeps rising
[2016-11-23 21:42:34] NL007 : zec
[2016-11-23 21:42:57] mjones : damn almost at 0.07 with 4754 contracts open
[2016-11-23 21:43:08] Tetsuo : i also think that 0.08 will be reached in the next days, but i don´t have time to hold and watch a larger position in zec, stop loss is almost useless in zec
[2016-11-23 21:43:09] CaptainDean : isn't the game ? Short think it's the top, long think it is not :P
[2016-11-23 21:43:14] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: yes :D
[2016-11-23 21:45:29] CaptainDean : That's pretty ironic to tell a shorter is a gambler or a longer the same
[2016-11-23 21:46:23] mjones : it'd take 6-10 BTC to buy it up to 0.062 right now. it's a big gamble
[2016-11-23 21:46:26] trollboxer : I think if the shorts had any money, they'd have to sell into this rally to not get stopped out, no? Defend their position?
[2016-11-23 21:46:39] arbitrage001 : short have not-measurable risk
[2016-11-23 21:46:44] trollboxer : I guess that means they're out of money?
[2016-11-23 21:47:33] arbitrage001 : long have limited risk
[2016-11-23 21:48:28] rms : with only 2x leverage allowed, with a decent balance on here and cross margin you can maintain a zcash short nearly indefinitely
[2016-11-23 21:48:39] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: what arbitrage said
[2016-11-23 21:48:47] wurstgelee : longs have a well defined risk
[2016-11-23 21:48:52] arbitrage001 : rms: are you sure you have done the math right correctly?
[2016-11-23 21:48:54] wurstgelee : shorters dont
[2016-11-23 21:49:17] wurstgelee : and we still have that discount
[2016-11-23 21:49:29] j8 : he must not have been around for the launch
[2016-11-23 21:49:30] wurstgelee : zec doesnt even have to pump. time will do the rest...
[2016-11-23 21:49:41] wurstgelee : j8: probably ;)
[2016-11-23 21:49:43] rms : ok, not indefinitely, but a short can maintain through a doubling if they really want
[2016-11-23 21:50:03] wurstgelee : rms: were u around for the great short-fuckening at launch?
[2016-11-23 21:50:07] j8 : the price was 200 times this
[2016-11-23 21:50:30] j8 : doubling, ok easy
[2016-11-23 21:50:38] wurstgelee : ask those who opened a short @ .1 and got margin called q 7.8
[2016-11-23 21:50:41] wurstgelee : @
[2016-11-23 21:50:46] rms : i regret watching that from the sidelines
[2016-11-23 21:51:49] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: well that's suck, I wish I had 10 000 BTC so I can rek all the long
[2016-11-23 21:52:28] CaptainDean : that sucks**
[2016-11-23 21:54:40] CaptainDean : rms: I regret i didn't have the 10 BTC to sell a contract when they said they not remove the cap anymore
[2016-11-23 21:54:53] CaptainDean : they would not**
[2016-11-23 21:55:20] mike23aa : v
[2016-11-23 21:55:37] Tetsuo : ^
[2016-11-23 21:56:38] CaptainDean : quite a ride for Zec atm
[2016-11-23 21:56:45] Boontjie : CaptainDean: you needed 5
[2016-11-23 21:57:00] CaptainDean : Boontjie: i think 5 would had get me ADL
[2016-11-23 21:57:10] imabeast : im down for a quick adl
[2016-11-23 21:57:17] CaptainDean : Boontjie: but you might be right
[2016-11-23 21:57:18] imabeast : wow zec at .11 now
[2016-11-23 21:57:20] Boontjie : but you would still have profited
[2016-11-23 21:57:20] mjones : btc dumping. people buying zec to hedge
[2016-11-23 21:57:26] CaptainDean : Boontjie: yes !
[2016-11-23 21:57:48] Boontjie : mjones: 3 dollars bro
[2016-11-23 21:57:52] Boontjie : thats not a dump
[2016-11-23 21:58:27] Boontjie : its more like that feeling when you put your toe in really cold water. BTC is testing them
[2016-11-23 21:58:28] anonymous789 : closing the gap i was talking about earlier soon i'm sure
[2016-11-23 21:58:57] wurstgelee : welcome to the fomo zone
[2016-11-23 21:59:08] imabeast : well break .06 in a sec
[2016-11-23 21:59:18] imabeast : oop lmao
[2016-11-23 21:59:27] Boontjie : short will get filled yes
[2016-11-23 21:59:39] Boontjie : and then some :D
[2016-11-23 21:59:40] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: fomo ?
[2016-11-23 21:59:49] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: polo
[2016-11-23 21:59:53] arbitrage001 : some whale shorting
[2016-11-23 21:59:58] arbitrage001 : bring out the harpoon !!
[2016-11-23 22:00:18] Boontjie : slaying of the bearwhale
[2016-11-23 22:00:57] Nerve : wurstgelee: i want you to help me on next positions....offcourse, if you're agree too... i lost 2 BTC today, and almost 1 yesterday :d
[2016-11-23 22:01:12] arbitrage001 : Nerve: on?
[2016-11-23 22:01:28] Nerve : short
[2016-11-23 22:01:45] Nerve : from 731
[2016-11-23 22:02:02] Nerve : i'm a disaster
[2016-11-23 22:02:15] arbitrage001 : do you have experience trading?
[2016-11-23 22:02:21] b1tn1k : lighten your leverage
[2016-11-23 22:02:26] Tetsuo : b1tn1k: +1
[2016-11-23 22:02:47] wurstgelee : Nerve: that would help you. what i do is chaotic and hard to follow. even for myself . i have no clue why it works
[2016-11-23 22:02:50] Nerve : arbitrage001: no. i try to learn
[2016-11-23 22:02:56] wurstgelee : *wouldnt
[2016-11-23 22:03:07] arbitrage001 : Nerve: most traders lose money
[2016-11-23 22:03:26] arbitrage001 : even experience traders get blow out
[2016-11-23 22:03:37] wurstgelee : *works so far
[2016-11-23 22:03:43] Nerve : ofcourse....but they win too
[2016-11-23 22:03:46] Nerve : lol
[2016-11-23 22:03:53] arbitrage001 : they only need to lose 1 time big
[2016-11-23 22:03:56] CaptainDean : Nerve: low leverage, small position and learn. You'll only loose/earn a few dollards doing it
[2016-11-23 22:03:59] arbitrage001 : like zcash on first day
[2016-11-23 22:04:05] wurstgelee : i doesnt help u if u win for a year and thenblow it all in a stupid trade
[2016-11-23 22:04:11] arbitrage001 : to totally wipe out their whole year profit
[2016-11-23 22:04:15] wurstgelee : same rekt
[2016-11-23 22:04:36] wurstgelee : if not more...
[2016-11-23 22:04:49] wurstgelee : trhose mc's around 7 or 8 btc....
[2016-11-23 22:04:55] wurstgelee : big account on cross?
[2016-11-23 22:05:17] Nerve : wurstgelee: usualy 50x
[2016-11-23 22:05:23] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-11-23 22:05:26] arbitrage001 : it does look like zcash is on the move to wipe short out 2nd round
[2016-11-23 22:05:31] wurstgelee : 2x is max
[2016-11-23 22:05:39] wurstgelee : and 2x shorts would have been mc'ed WAY earlier
[2016-11-23 22:05:43] wurstgelee : they had to be cross
[2016-11-23 22:05:49] wurstgelee : or huge fixed margin
[2016-11-23 22:05:57] zanza : Zcash? more like Zbad
[2016-11-23 22:05:58] zanza : am i right
[2016-11-23 22:05:59] CaptainDean : Nerve: i'm pretty newb a this too, I almost lost my first all i had put here (for fun) then I learned to trade with less risk and lower position, and i'm only 0.03 BTC down ;-) So I pretty much make everything back.
[2016-11-23 22:06:25] CaptainDean : almost lost all i had put here**
[2016-11-23 22:06:50] RocketScience : i blame my impatience
[2016-11-23 22:06:57] CaptainDean : Nerve: but i had pretty lost evertyhing on one deal
[2016-11-23 22:06:58] wurstgelee : Nerve: also https://testnet.bitmex.com
[2016-11-23 22:07:03] wurstgelee : free training
[2016-11-23 22:07:06] wurstgelee : totally free
[2016-11-23 22:08:16] Boontjie : Nerve: Everybody gets totalled, its how you get back up that matters
[2016-11-23 22:09:05] Boontjie : People generally react in 2 ways: 1) Higher risk to "make the money back" 2) More caution, lower position sizes
[2016-11-23 22:09:29] Boontjie : 2) is good until you get back in the swing of things with higher than normal leverage
[2016-11-23 22:09:31] Nerve : wurstgelee: i will check that link
[2016-11-23 22:09:54] wurstgelee : Nerve: its the tesnet-version of bitmex. with testnet btc
[2016-11-23 22:09:59] wurstgelee : *testnet
[2016-11-23 22:10:01] Tetsuo : "let your winners run and cut your losses quickly" is also pretty helpful
[2016-11-23 22:10:14] Boontjie : Tetsuo: but really hard to do
[2016-11-23 22:10:19] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: yes. also hard to learn...for me.
[2016-11-23 22:10:22] Boontjie : like in really really hard
[2016-11-23 22:10:36] arbitrage001 : easy here
[2016-11-23 22:10:43] arbitrage001 : just let your position get rekt
[2016-11-23 22:10:46] CaptainDean : Nerve: someone posted me a few link when I started here, I will try to find them. Like a top 25 rules to follow and a book about someone who started trading in 1920-1930 if I remember correctly
[2016-11-23 22:10:47] Tetsuo : took me 2 years to learn it
[2016-11-23 22:10:48] Boontjie : lol
[2016-11-23 22:10:55] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: thats why i use 50x
[2016-11-23 22:11:02] wurstgelee : it cuts losses if i fail ;)
[2016-11-23 22:11:11] wurstgelee : safety switch
[2016-11-23 22:11:18] Boontjie : Tetsuo: ja, but sometimes you need to wait for your position, its not always easy to recognize wrong till you stare -10% in the face
[2016-11-23 22:11:18] Tetsuo : not on cross then i guess
[2016-11-23 22:11:23] wurstgelee : never
[2016-11-23 22:11:30] Nerve : wurstgelee: you know, i just loking for some quick tips...i @CaptainDean thats what i need
[2016-11-23 22:11:39] Tetsuo : short BTC long XMR
[2016-11-23 22:11:44] Tetsuo : go for it
[2016-11-23 22:11:46] NL007 : zec rekking coming soon
[2016-11-23 22:11:53] NL007 : XD
[2016-11-23 22:11:56] arbitrage001 : Nerve: having the right mindset takes time
[2016-11-23 22:11:58] Boontjie : Tetsuo: XMR is a long term short
[2016-11-23 22:12:05] Nerve : cause now i'm going like a blind mouse
[2016-11-23 22:12:20] wurstgelee : NL007: tfw i makes a new high seconds later
[2016-11-23 22:12:21] arbitrage001 : listening to traders here will probably speed things up
[2016-11-23 22:12:25] wurstgelee : *it
[2016-11-23 22:12:26] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-23 22:12:32] Tetsuo : Boontjie: XMR was a mid-term short above 0.0.2
[2016-11-23 22:12:44] NL007 : arbitrage001: lol
[2016-11-23 22:13:10] wurstgelee : .118
[2016-11-23 22:13:10] kingkrung : wurstgelee, happy now with zec?
[2016-11-23 22:13:11] Boontjie : Tetsuo: The anony-algo doesnt work correctly
[2016-11-23 22:13:13] wurstgelee : impressive
[2016-11-23 22:13:14] arbitrage001 : someone bought 100 @ 0.06
[2016-11-23 22:13:24] Boontjie : you need enough throughput with transactions of similar size to your own
[2016-11-23 22:13:31] Tetsuo : Boontjie: i don´t care about fundamentals
[2016-11-23 22:13:33] Boontjie : The network is not that large
[2016-11-23 22:13:37] Boontjie : lol ok