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[2016-11-23 15:40:25] martinium : someone betting it doesnt drop below that
[2016-11-23 15:41:38] martinium : meanwhile CNY exchanges battling to hold 5200
[2016-11-23 15:44:10] rapidtrades : BTC/CNY down too, so u can't blame a stronger dollar
[2016-11-23 15:52:28] martinium : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5egroc/why_against_segwit_and_core_jiang_zhuoer_who/
[2016-11-23 16:00:15] rapidtrades : FOMC minutes in 3 hrs
[2016-11-23 16:01:14] btwwdv : hi
[2016-11-23 16:02:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 4000 @ 758.84
[2016-11-23 16:09:54] martinium : shorts not doing shit today oh well
[2016-11-23 16:10:00] anonymous789 : well that was unexpected...
[2016-11-23 16:14:28] JamesPolo : anonymous789: what was
[2016-11-23 16:16:04] anonymous789 : sudden jump
[2016-11-23 16:16:58] trollboxer : zcash forum admin: The ratio of shielded to transparent ZEC will likely be a combination of three factors: what users receive it as, what users want to do with it, and what services support. The first is biased by pools towards t-addrs at present because of the bugs that we've now fixed; the middle factor (P2P transactions) hasn't really taken off yet; and the last is likely biased towards t-addrs because it's very easy to tweak a Bitcoin service to support t-addrs, whereas z-addrs take actual development effort.
[2016-11-23 16:23:46] JamesPolo : anonymous789: Ideal to better short
[2016-11-23 16:24:10] anonymous789 : yea i am short
[2016-11-23 16:24:20] anonymous789 : but higher lows are not inspiring confidence
[2016-11-23 16:24:30] anonymous789 : but the lower highs are...
[2016-11-23 16:25:04] anonymous789 : may close at break even until it decides which way it wants to go
[2016-11-23 16:29:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 737.22
[2016-11-23 16:29:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 340 @ 737.33
[2016-11-23 16:29:45] anonymous789 : aah broke 5200 on cny
[2016-11-23 16:29:58] shiroe : 5k here we come
[2016-11-23 16:30:56] martinium : impressive how those bots sync pricing across exchanges so quickly
[2016-11-23 16:31:11] JamesPolo : anonymous789: ;)
[2016-11-23 16:31:20] habibi : yea okc 5183, huobi 5211 - perfect sync
[2016-11-23 16:31:39] martinium : not what I mean
[2016-11-23 16:31:42] martinium : but whatever
[2016-11-23 16:31:51] anonymous789 : i prefer okc
[2016-11-23 16:32:03] martinium : okc is big boy
[2016-11-23 16:32:18] martinium : huobi is much lower volume usually
[2016-11-23 16:32:40] habibi : 2016 and people still looks at china vol
[2016-11-23 16:33:11] martinium : yeah its all fake 100% of the time
[2016-11-23 16:34:06] habibi : its just meaningless
[2016-11-23 16:36:31] arbitrage001 : btc looking weak
[2016-11-23 16:37:11] Cryptlex : Is it going to break below 700?
[2016-11-23 16:37:26] martinium : Cryptlex: probably
[2016-11-23 16:37:26] Bacon futures trader : rip
[2016-11-23 16:37:27] arbitrage001 : looks like it
[2016-11-23 16:37:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 4000 @ 748.41
[2016-11-23 16:37:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4950 @ 734.18
[2016-11-23 16:37:35] mjones : tanking
[2016-11-23 16:37:47] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-11-23 16:37:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9256 @ 733.70
[2016-11-23 16:37:49] arbitrage001 : go baby
[2016-11-23 16:37:51] arbitrage001 : tank more
[2016-11-23 16:37:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 600 @ 732.71
[2016-11-23 16:37:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 732.61
[2016-11-23 16:37:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 28000 @ 732.80
[2016-11-23 16:38:06] shiroe : rek train, woo
[2016-11-23 16:38:14] Cryptlex : pew pew
[2016-11-23 16:38:20] arbitrage001 : 650 is my target
[2016-11-23 16:38:26] arbitrage001 : will cover around that price
[2016-11-23 16:38:31] martinium : arbitrage001: same
[2016-11-23 16:38:42] habibi : arbitrage001: time frame? 1 day/week/ month?
[2016-11-23 16:38:45] arbitrage001 : martinium: good luck to both of us
[2016-11-23 16:38:52] JamesPolo : Well then
[2016-11-23 16:38:58] arbitrage001 : habibi: before dec 30th
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6765 @ 731.92
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 90 @ 731.81
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 800 @ 732.10
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9 @ 731.99
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 11000 @ 743.94
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 3000 @ 743.97
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 30500 @ 744.41
[2016-11-23 16:39:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 730.74
[2016-11-23 16:39:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 730.60
[2016-11-23 16:39:37] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-11-23 16:39:52] habibi : knock knock xmr market maker
[2016-11-23 16:41:13] mjones : nothing super big let for margin call.
[2016-11-23 16:41:32] mjones : yet*
[2016-11-23 16:43:21] Nerve : Wtf guys
[2016-11-23 16:43:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 200 @ 747.25
[2016-11-23 16:43:51] thomaskikansha : monero pump
[2016-11-23 16:47:27] JamesPolo : We hit support ?
[2016-11-23 16:47:44] mjones : xmr is gonna do so well when btc pumps.
[2016-11-23 16:47:50] wurstgelee : hard to tell 5 mins after a new low
[2016-11-23 16:47:51] mjones : 10x for sure
[2016-11-23 16:47:58] wurstgelee : mjones: hehee
[2016-11-23 16:48:02] wurstgelee : shorted :p
[2016-11-23 16:48:59] Bacon futures trader : 5180 cny s/r
[2016-11-23 16:51:54] mjones : damn xbtz16 bounced $10. didnt pull the trigger on a long
[2016-11-23 16:56:47] shiroe : 3 more 12hr houbi candles confirmed?
[2016-11-23 16:56:56] shiroe : i mean red candles?
[2016-11-23 16:59:29] martinium : I see 2
[2016-11-23 17:01:01] mjones : the buying and selling volume is insane for xmr 1.5 million XMR last 2 days on polo. must not be legit or polo is making a killing in fees
[2016-11-23 17:01:31] shery : No one buying btc
[2016-11-23 17:02:53] mjones : 4 hour btc candles red. short the house.
[2016-11-23 17:04:13] martinium : going to drop hard
[2016-11-23 17:04:18] martinium : this is just a warm up
[2016-11-23 17:04:31] anonymous789 : let's see if it gets through support at 720ish
[2016-11-23 17:04:34] rapidtrades : we're dead
[2016-11-23 17:04:46] rapidtrades : yuan at 6.95
[2016-11-23 17:04:57] martinium : whos dead shorts or longs
[2016-11-23 17:05:05] rapidtrades : longs
[2016-11-23 17:05:26] martinium : sitting at support here
[2016-11-23 17:05:32] martinium : longs better pray it holds
[2016-11-23 17:06:12] mjones : xmr going to tackle that 0.011 wall on polo
[2016-11-23 17:06:38] rapidtrades : today'd biggest down day for yuan since start of oct
[2016-11-23 17:06:51] martinium : yeah it has been a huge move
[2016-11-23 17:06:59] martinium : probably want BTC lower to buy more
[2016-11-23 17:07:00] mjones : already priced in
[2016-11-23 17:10:37] wurstgelee : not sure about that wall
[2016-11-23 17:10:45] wurstgelee : depends. on btc, as always
[2016-11-23 17:10:46] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 17:10:52] wurstgelee : or almost always...
[2016-11-23 17:11:17] wurstgelee : so we went up .01 with mark since yesterday @ zec
[2016-11-23 17:11:19] wurstgelee : finally...
[2016-11-23 17:11:21] Myllah : xmr
[2016-11-23 17:11:30] Myllah : up
[2016-11-23 17:11:36] mjones : zec slowly climbing on here
[2016-11-23 17:11:53] rapidtrades : can't believe idiots here are still discounting ZEC at 50%
[2016-11-23 17:12:05] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-23 17:12:05] wurstgelee : mjones: it has to. 5 weeks to settlement and we are 1/2
[2016-11-23 17:12:14] arbitrage001 : traders make money off each other
[2016-11-23 17:12:26] wurstgelee : not even 1/2 atm
[2016-11-23 17:12:58] RoftheN : That's because it's dec 30 right
[2016-11-23 17:13:17] RoftheN : 34 days still not over
[2016-11-23 17:13:22] arbitrage001 : obviously, short have some kind of insight here
[2016-11-23 17:13:23] CapitalGains : But also ZEC supply is at 1/4 of what it will be
[2016-11-23 17:13:31] arbitrage001 : or just plain gambling
[2016-11-23 17:14:19] arbitrage001 : i am not complaining if someone want to give me 50% discount
[2016-11-23 17:14:53] CapitalGains : arbitrage001: Short term trades aside, what do you estimate the ZECZ16 settling price will be?
[2016-11-23 17:15:09] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: no clue
[2016-11-23 17:15:40] arbitrage001 : but based on mining hash rate and profit, the price seems low
[2016-11-23 17:16:25] mjones : XRP hit a new low early. RIPple
[2016-11-23 17:16:25] Nerve : martinium: me on longs, allmost 2 BTC
[2016-11-23 17:17:04] BigDaddyBigDick : that wick on xbj16 tho..
[2016-11-23 17:17:53] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: my thinking
[2016-11-23 17:17:58] rapidtrades : CapitalGains: 3
[2016-11-23 17:18:04] wurstgelee : r/r for longing here is excellent imo
[2016-11-23 17:18:07] wurstgelee : with 50% discount
[2016-11-23 17:18:18] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: :)
[2016-11-23 17:18:27] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: yeah, agree
[2016-11-23 17:18:38] rapidtrades : guys rememer we said that at 0.3 too
[2016-11-23 17:18:46] rapidtrades : rr/ is excellent etc
[2016-11-23 17:18:50] wurstgelee : yeah, ofc.
[2016-11-23 17:18:51] arbitrage001 : obviously, need to limit the position size in case we are wrong
[2016-11-23 17:19:12] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: I'll happily be a (short) counterparty for you at 1.5 BTC per ZEC, let's do an OTC future.
[2016-11-23 17:19:12] rapidtrades : i mean the lowest it can go is 0, so at least we have that going for us
[2016-11-23 17:19:43] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: i always planned on massively increasing position size as we go down
[2016-11-23 17:19:50] wurstgelee : as long as we have 50% or more discount
[2016-11-23 17:20:00] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: Have you been sticking to that?
[2016-11-23 17:20:07] wurstgelee : like a boss
[2016-11-23 17:20:11] m.m : can funding fees drain ones account if ones position remains under negarive PNL for a prolonged time (e.g. days)?
[2016-11-23 17:20:25] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: 330 contracts and counting
[2016-11-23 17:20:38] arbitrage001 : only 70 here
[2016-11-23 17:20:52] wurstgelee : bought most of those sub .04
[2016-11-23 17:20:56] arbitrage001 : will double if price hit 0.02
[2016-11-23 17:21:00] wurstgelee : same
[2016-11-23 17:21:17] wurstgelee : well, not exactly
[2016-11-23 17:21:27] wurstgelee : if we go down ~ 1/3, i add +50% contracts
[2016-11-23 17:21:29] wurstgelee : roughly
[2016-11-23 17:21:33] wurstgelee : as long as we have that discount
[2016-11-23 17:21:47] arbitrage001 : we are already pretty close to investor price
[2016-11-23 17:21:55] arbitrage001 : cant see what can go wrong
[2016-11-23 17:22:05] wurstgelee : at least not a big multiple of that
[2016-11-23 17:22:21] wurstgelee : 0.02 is investor price
[2016-11-23 17:22:35] wurstgelee : so current price seems great with that discount ;)
[2016-11-23 17:22:36] martinium : you guys think zcash will actually get used?
[2016-11-23 17:22:41] CapitalGains : No
[2016-11-23 17:22:41] martinium : like btc for commerce
[2016-11-23 17:22:42] wurstgelee : i do
[2016-11-23 17:22:51] wurstgelee : its way better than xmr
[2016-11-23 17:22:54] arbitrage001 : martinium: if the tech work, it will probably replace btc
[2016-11-23 17:22:58] RoftheN : Why not, is quite useful, better than Monero
[2016-11-23 17:22:58] wurstgelee : regarding anonymity
[2016-11-23 17:23:00] martinium : I jsut don't see it with their backdoor built-in
[2016-11-23 17:23:11] martinium : blackmarkets will use xmr
[2016-11-23 17:23:17] martinium : as they currently do
[2016-11-23 17:23:20] RoftheN : It won't replace BTC though. It will work together with BTC
[2016-11-23 17:23:24] arbitrage001 : the only real use of btc is black market
[2016-11-23 17:23:24] wurstgelee : monero is just a big tumbling service. zcash has anon transactions which are actually untracable
[2016-11-23 17:23:39] habibi : martinium: black markets are fine with btc
[2016-11-23 17:24:02] wurstgelee : habibi: i hate paying those bitblender fees tho
[2016-11-23 17:24:06] martinium : they use btc and xmr
[2016-11-23 17:24:10] martinium : from what I've see
[2016-11-23 17:24:11] wurstgelee : so i heatrd
[2016-11-23 17:24:12] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-23 17:24:14] wurstgelee : *heard
[2016-11-23 17:24:16] RoftheN : Lool
[2016-11-23 17:24:18] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-23 17:24:20] martinium : zec cheap enough may start adoption
[2016-11-23 17:24:32] RoftheN : So what criminal activities do you do, wurstgelee?
[2016-11-23 17:24:39] CapitalGains : :D
[2016-11-23 17:24:55] wurstgelee : nothing criminal (any more) :p
[2016-11-23 17:24:55] arbitrage001 : RoftheN: probably tax evading
[2016-11-23 17:24:56] CapitalGains : Safe to say here
[2016-11-23 17:24:57] RoftheN : But even if Zcash will be big one day, it will still go down some more
[2016-11-23 17:25:21] martinium : for now it has no accepting merchants nada
[2016-11-23 17:25:31] martinium : just a concept with venture cap behind it
[2016-11-23 17:25:37] wurstgelee : martinium: ofc not. no supply ffs
[2016-11-23 17:25:41] arbitrage001 : martinium: which is big
[2016-11-23 17:25:55] wurstgelee : and having venture cap is actually a good thing
[2016-11-23 17:26:03] arbitrage001 : having academy personal get involved is why eth gain mainstream support
[2016-11-23 17:26:11] wurstgelee : or in arbitrage0001's words: its big
[2016-11-23 17:26:18] wurstgelee : *-0
[2016-11-23 17:26:22] martinium : lol
[2016-11-23 17:29:04] wurstgelee : omg, ZEC going down! quick, go short everyone. no time to check or for having second thoughts!
[2016-11-23 17:29:06] mjones : xbtz16 main market maker has $2 spread
[2016-11-23 17:29:08] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-23 17:29:36] mjones : swap too. at least they increased it to 20k contracts
[2016-11-23 17:29:52] wurstgelee : spreads also bigger on alts now
[2016-11-23 17:30:43] mjones : i noticed that on xmr.
[2016-11-23 17:30:49] wurstgelee : me 2
[2016-11-23 17:31:01] wurstgelee : btw, xmr tackling nothing here atm, especially not that wall :p
[2016-11-23 17:31:02] mjones : eth too. wonder if it's 1 person on all these alts
[2016-11-23 17:31:18] wurstgelee : or all these markets....
[2016-11-23 17:31:24] martinium : prob sleger
[2016-11-23 17:31:27] martinium : lol
[2016-11-23 17:31:28] habibi : it is, every time he is not making money he is increasing spread
[2016-11-23 17:31:37] wurstgelee : habibi: yep :D
[2016-11-23 17:31:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 13701 @ 734.67
[2016-11-23 17:31:43] habibi : and if volatility is increasing as well
[2016-11-23 17:32:01] wurstgelee : prob more traders profitable here than on other exchanges i assume
[2016-11-23 17:32:02] trollboxer : I bet zec would go lots higher if the dude with 280 contracts for sale on book below .50 didn't have them sitting there pushing price down.
[2016-11-23 17:32:05] arbitrage001 : there is only 1 MM on eth?
[2016-11-23 17:32:05] wurstgelee : percentage-wise
[2016-11-23 17:32:24] arbitrage001 : ddint know sleger is the only MM on eth
[2016-11-23 17:32:25] wurstgelee : those who are really bad get rekt faster here than elsewhere....
[2016-11-23 17:32:39] habibi : arbitrage001: we r talking about main one, with any useable quoting
[2016-11-23 17:32:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2000 @ 735.40
[2016-11-23 17:32:59] wurstgelee : oh btc
[2016-11-23 17:33:02] wurstgelee : didnt notice :)
[2016-11-23 17:33:06] wurstgelee : thank you rekt
[2016-11-23 17:33:10] sleger : i am not the mm on eth here
[2016-11-23 17:34:47] wurstgelee : btc up a tad, xmr down
[2016-11-23 17:35:41] habibi : mjones: great calls! :)
[2016-11-23 17:36:10] wurstgelee : that wall @ .011? ;)
[2016-11-23 17:36:14] mjones : i have bad judgement and bad instincts. just like hillary clinton
[2016-11-23 17:36:26] wurstgelee : welcome to trading
[2016-11-23 17:36:28] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 17:36:38] wurstgelee : you have the job...
[2016-11-23 17:36:52] arbitrage001 : if you are losing all the time, do opposite of what you think
[2016-11-23 17:36:59] mjones : yes
[2016-11-23 17:38:32] mjones : insane price movement on btc
[2016-11-23 17:38:55] sleger : insane ?
[2016-11-23 17:39:30] anonymous789 : back above 5200 on cny
[2016-11-23 17:39:46] anonymous789 : still lower highs and lower lows
[2016-11-23 17:40:31] mjones : xbtz16 swinging pretty good up and down
[2016-11-23 17:41:06] martinium : crazy how btc is dominated by CNY flows
[2016-11-23 17:42:30] sleger : like habibi would say, this is where all the volume is
[2016-11-23 17:44:02] habibi : sleger: U God damn right. Herh herh herh.
[2016-11-23 17:44:10] rapidtrades : wtf now we're up
[2016-11-23 17:44:32] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: you're such an emotional bitch
[2016-11-23 17:44:51] wurstgelee : sleger likes him emotional
[2016-11-23 17:44:56] arbitrage001 : emotion is an enemy of traders
[2016-11-23 17:45:44] rapidtrades : anonymous789: no that's ur mum
[2016-11-23 17:46:50] JamesPolo : rapidtrades: doesn't help your case
[2016-11-23 17:47:01] sleger : wurstgelee: he's soft on the inside tough on the outside
[2016-11-23 17:47:30] rapidtrades : JamesPolo: I 'cased' your mum last night
[2016-11-23 17:47:37] rapidtrades : if you know what I mean ;)
[2016-11-23 17:47:56] wurstgelee : sleger: the opposite would be bad
[2016-11-23 17:49:44] JamesPolo : rapidtrades: Aren't you too young to have btc?
[2016-11-23 17:50:55] rapidtrades : JamesPolo: no, i need it to pay for your mum's 'services'
[2016-11-23 17:51:19] sleger : isnt she too old to accept btc ?
[2016-11-23 17:51:49] JamesPolo : sleger: she is but rapidtrades likes them old
[2016-11-23 17:53:33] JamesPolo : Great community we have ?
[2016-11-23 17:53:39] sleger : dont talk like that about your mother bad boy
[2016-11-23 17:57:12] rapidtrades : ok so okc exchange rate is 6.8 but actual rate is 0.9
[2016-11-23 17:57:36] rapidtrades : sry 6.9....what does this mean for the index? is should be higher right
[2016-11-23 17:57:42] j8 : lower
[2016-11-23 17:57:57] rapidtrades : ah yes
[2016-11-23 17:58:47] rapidtrades : so there's still some premium left
[2016-11-23 17:58:59] j8 : index should drop around half a percent after this week's settlement
[2016-11-23 17:59:28] j8 : and it will still be lagging
[2016-11-23 17:59:28] wurstgelee : zec about to make a new 24h high
[2016-11-23 17:59:30] rapidtrades : that explains most of the premium on bi-weekly
[2016-11-23 18:00:25] j8 : does it? the bi-weekly premium is effectively half a percent more than it seems
[2016-11-23 18:04:05] mjones : btc heading back down
[2016-11-23 18:04:15] +1 : I’m Feeling Lucky
[2016-11-23 18:04:54] mjones : isnt that tomorrow
[2016-11-23 18:05:03] mjones : i hope i'm feeling lucky tomorrow too
[2016-11-23 18:05:36] mjones : 18 hours till i win some BTC for being a troll
[2016-11-23 18:05:59] +1 : mjones: it's today
[2016-11-23 18:06:07] rapidtrades : mjones: wait what
[2016-11-23 18:06:10] +1 : LOL
[2016-11-23 18:06:42] +1 : rapidtrades: Now everyone forgets?
[2016-11-23 18:07:04] CapitalGains : +1: Nice try
[2016-11-23 18:07:07] rapidtrades : they finally put it up in announcements
[2016-11-23 18:07:21] sleger : j8: you said the index will drop 1/2% so the premium would increase by 1/2% after the index drops
[2016-11-23 18:07:37] j8 : yep
[2016-11-23 18:08:23] sleger : j8: ok i guess i misunderstood your latest statement "the bi-weekly premium is effectively half a percent more than it seems"
[2016-11-23 18:08:23] rapidtrades : so i just need one trade to qulaify as a troll?
[2016-11-23 18:08:24] j8 : so the half percent that's there already is not explained by that, it's added to that
[2016-11-23 18:08:42] mjones : rapidtrades: read the trading awards announcement.
[2016-11-23 18:08:48] rapidtrades : i just did
[2016-11-23 18:08:52] rapidtrades : i asked a q
[2016-11-23 18:09:07] sleger : rapidtrades: you already qualify as a troll
[2016-11-23 18:09:08] sleger : big time
[2016-11-23 18:09:16] rapidtrades : i'll do a 1 contract on swap
[2016-11-23 18:09:41] rapidtrades : oh wait its for tomorrow
[2016-11-23 18:09:43] mjones : 24 November 2016 12:00 UTC to 25 November 2016 12:00 UTC
[2016-11-23 18:09:45] mjones : that's in 6 hours
[2016-11-23 18:09:52] rapidtrades : i just posted that jone
[2016-11-23 18:10:05] mjones : word
[2016-11-23 18:10:29] lockhedge : i'm thinking of running a mm with 4 btc margin on 25x. if volatility is low, i'm Big Spender. if vaolatility is high i'
[2016-11-23 18:10:49] rapidtrades : FINISH IT
[2016-11-23 18:11:03] lockhedge : *if volatility is high i'm "Shoot The Moon" or "YachtClub"
[2016-11-23 18:11:41] rapidtrades : if volatility is high mm usually get ra*ped
[2016-11-23 18:12:21] mjones : if no one gets liquidated tomorrow then i'll make sure i do to win that award
[2016-11-23 18:12:47] wurstgelee : i usually get liquidated each 3 days
[2016-11-23 18:12:52] wurstgelee : it's day 2
[2016-11-23 18:12:54] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-11-23 18:12:58] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-11-23 18:13:20] wurstgelee : 50x all the way.... ;)
[2016-11-23 18:13:24] wurstgelee : and 10x alts
[2016-11-23 18:14:06] j8 : someone's gonna lose a lot more than 2 btc going for that prize
[2016-11-23 18:14:07] rapidtrades : bloomberg turned all their anchors from blond to redheads
[2016-11-23 18:14:38] mjones : hot
[2016-11-23 18:14:56] wurstgelee : "big spender" will prob escalate with sleger winning by selling and buying between 2 of his accounts
[2016-11-23 18:15:36] wurstgelee : or someone else....lots of self trading
[2016-11-23 18:15:38] sleger : wont risk getting into high leverage for 2 btc prize
[2016-11-23 18:15:49] wurstgelee : sleger: u can win with turnover
[2016-11-23 18:15:52] wurstgelee : volume
[2016-11-23 18:16:01] sleger : nah the MM will be hard to beat there
[2016-11-23 18:16:12] wurstgelee : sleger: • Big Spender: Trader with the most Bitcoin turnover summed across all BitMEX products.
[2016-11-23 18:16:27] wurstgelee : sleger: oops. didnt consider that
[2016-11-23 18:16:29] wurstgelee : true
[2016-11-23 18:16:43] wurstgelee : if they participate, they win.
[2016-11-23 18:16:48] wurstgelee : *or he
[2016-11-23 18:16:56] j8 : yeah, all your volume is volume for someone else too
[2016-11-23 18:17:04] j8 : unless you self-trade
[2016-11-23 18:17:13] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-11-23 18:17:14] sleger : but fees are too high here for that
[2016-11-23 18:17:27] NW2443 : buy or sell btc?
[2016-11-23 18:17:34] wurstgelee : or
[2016-11-23 18:17:40] sleger : NW2443: AND
[2016-11-23 18:17:53] wurstgelee : buy and or sell
[2016-11-23 18:17:54] lockhedge : 4000 btc volume with 2 btc invested in wash trading
[2016-11-23 18:18:05] wurstgelee : lockhedge: mm has some more ;)
[2016-11-23 18:18:15] lockhedge : no, not today
[2016-11-23 18:18:25] wurstgelee : hm, right
[2016-11-23 18:18:27] sleger : avg roundtrip price here is 0.05% so 2btc*100*20 = what he said
[2016-11-23 18:18:41] sleger : 2btcx100x20
[2016-11-23 18:19:03] BitMEX_Sam : We've talked to our lead MMs and they have agreed to be excluded from the volume consideration for Thursday
[2016-11-23 18:19:07] NW2443 : what is difference unrealised and realised
[2016-11-23 18:19:14] sleger : how nice of them
[2016-11-23 18:19:15] BitMEX_Sam : Those of you who we talked to know who they are, the rest are in the running
[2016-11-23 18:19:26] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: ok, that makes it interesting again ;)
[2016-11-23 18:19:44] sleger : NW2443: "un"
[2016-11-23 18:19:50] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 18:20:02] j8 : they'll probably make something MMing the competition anyway
[2016-11-23 18:20:04] NW2443 : haha
[2016-11-23 18:22:04] +1 : When did I agree to be excluded? LOL
[2016-11-23 18:22:38] sleger : hillaryous
[2016-11-23 18:24:00] mjones : wait there be no movement those 24 hours. just sideways
[2016-11-23 18:40:04] anonymous789 : okc having a real battle at this 5200 level
[2016-11-23 18:40:11] CapitalGains : Question guys: in, say, a bearish BTC market, does SWAP have negative funding more frequently?
[2016-11-23 18:40:20] sleger : yes
[2016-11-23 18:40:34] trollboxer : someone is eating the hidden wall on zec
[2016-11-23 18:41:49] trollboxer : short squeeze?
[2016-11-23 18:43:18] trollboxer : i'll try to push it back down
[2016-11-23 18:46:31] trollboxer : good luck bidding through dem wallz
[2016-11-23 18:47:24] wurstgelee : the price will get closer to spot@polo every day
[2016-11-23 18:47:30] wurstgelee : no matter any walls...
[2016-11-23 18:48:02] anonymous789 : still lower highs looks bearish short term
[2016-11-23 18:48:27] trollboxer : i'm scared
[2016-11-23 18:48:51] trollboxer : plz no liquidation
[2016-11-23 18:48:59] trollboxer : is there a limit on the daily movement on zec?
[2016-11-23 18:49:04] mjones : no
[2016-11-23 18:49:10] anonymous789 : be funny if this is the start of the bounce to 1200+ lol
[2016-11-23 18:49:12] CapitalGains : trollboxer: can't go higher than 100 BTC at the moment
[2016-11-23 18:49:25] trollboxer : oh, thank goodness
[2016-11-23 18:49:42] arbitrage001 : trollboxer: what is your liquidation price?
[2016-11-23 18:50:10] wurstgelee : we are @ 2.5 days (almost) of no-new-lows. despite btc
[2016-11-23 18:50:19] wurstgelee : thats something
[2016-11-23 18:50:38] wurstgelee : not saying this was bottom, but we are getting closer...
[2016-11-23 18:51:03] trollboxer : I think the half price coins are too tasty looking for miners. they can sell at .90 and buy here at .45
[2016-11-23 18:51:18] wurstgelee : no new lows despite supply rapidly increasing.
[2016-11-23 18:51:21] trollboxer : instant double money for them right?
[2016-11-23 18:51:27] wurstgelee : thats a first for an alt afaik
[2016-11-23 18:51:49] wurstgelee : trollboxer: vc money bought for .02
[2016-11-23 18:51:50] sleger : or they can sell at 0.9 and just not buy here
[2016-11-23 18:51:51] wurstgelee : $15
[2016-11-23 18:52:17] wurstgelee : so +125% whery we are atm
[2016-11-23 18:52:24] wurstgelee : *where
[2016-11-23 18:52:36] wurstgelee : thats by far not too much....
[2016-11-23 18:52:54] wurstgelee : others beg to differ tho. just 2 cents
[2016-11-23 18:53:34] wurstgelee : and those who shorted @ 0.035 .....ouch
[2016-11-23 18:53:39] wurstgelee : also thank you :)
[2016-11-23 18:58:44] sleger : wurstgelee: also i dont think VC got their coins immediately, it was progressively given to them over 4 years
[2016-11-23 18:58:55] sleger : so they are not even sure to be in profit in the end
[2016-11-23 18:58:56] wurstgelee : sleger: exactly
[2016-11-23 18:59:35] martinium : BTC holding support range like a boss
[2016-11-23 18:59:37] trollboxer : Yeah, the founders aren't selling their coins, you can see them in the chain, they'll support the price
[2016-11-23 18:59:41] sleger : buying a new coin with 21m coins at 15$ might not have been the best investment anyways if you get those in 2y average
[2016-11-23 18:59:48] wurstgelee : trollboxer: yes
[2016-11-23 19:00:00] wurstgelee : sleger: yeah, might or might not ;)
[2016-11-23 19:00:14] sleger : unlike people who invested in eth
[2016-11-23 19:00:20] sleger : big success
[2016-11-23 19:00:22] wurstgelee : otherwise there would be nothing to trade
[2016-11-23 19:00:24] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 19:01:00] sleger : Vitalik made blockchains great again
[2016-11-23 19:01:10] sleger : he has tremendous vision and the best judgment
[2016-11-23 19:01:25] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 19:01:43] wurstgelee : not sure if trolling tbh
[2016-11-23 19:01:54] arbitrage001 : polo will soon have no other coin but eth1,2,3,4,5,6 and etc
[2016-11-23 19:02:05] arbitrage001 : good for polo volume also
[2016-11-23 19:02:16] wurstgelee : we could be @ eth8 now
[2016-11-23 19:02:29] wurstgelee : but the other chains and potentials chains died
[2016-11-23 19:02:32] wurstgelee : *-s
[2016-11-23 19:02:38] sleger : there is only one vitalik though
[2016-11-23 19:03:06] wurstgelee : there was also only one hitler
[2016-11-23 19:03:11] wurstgelee : what are u trying to say?
[2016-11-23 19:03:35] sleger : all the other eth are worthless because they do not have their vitalik
[2016-11-23 19:03:50] wurstgelee : they do. vitalik works for them if they want to
[2016-11-23 19:03:53] wurstgelee : open source, right?
[2016-11-23 19:04:19] wurstgelee : they can go as much the same way as they want
[2016-11-23 19:04:24] sleger : yes but they are not just copycats, etc wont have pos for instance
[2016-11-23 19:04:31] wurstgelee : but with an untikered ledger
[2016-11-23 19:04:35] wurstgelee : *n
[2016-11-23 19:04:38] wurstgelee : in case of etc
[2016-11-23 19:04:41] sleger : sometimes refusing one fork means the other are impossible to steal
[2016-11-23 19:04:59] wurstgelee : i disagree. iyou have an example?
[2016-11-23 19:05:24] rapidtrades : nothing major in the Fed minutes
[2016-11-23 19:05:40] sleger : eth fundation could introduce something in next hard fork that makes it impossible to adopt if dao still has its tokens for instance
[2016-11-23 19:05:57] wurstgelee : too vague. what could that be?
[2016-11-23 19:06:04] sleger : then etc would have to dig into the code to remove that
[2016-11-23 19:06:21] sleger : if wallet xxxx contains tokens then selfdestruct
[2016-11-23 19:06:25] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 19:06:30] wurstgelee : bullshit :)
[2016-11-23 19:06:58] wurstgelee : thats just not true, there is nothing what you couldnt imploement with the dao tokens untouched
[2016-11-23 19:07:14] wurstgelee : the opposite is possible tho
[2016-11-23 19:07:15] sleger : i just gave an example
[2016-11-23 19:07:28] sleger : it might be obvious to remove by changing code but still
[2016-11-23 19:07:30] wurstgelee : etc could introduce ledger checks which eth couldnt pass ;)
[2016-11-23 19:07:58] rapidtrades : ETC>ETH
[2016-11-23 19:08:17] sleger : as the price clearly shows
[2016-11-23 19:08:26] CapitalGains : sleger: +1
[2016-11-23 19:08:34] wurstgelee : etc has a ledger. eth has something ledgeresque
[2016-11-23 19:08:40] wurstgelee : eth cannot fix that
[2016-11-23 19:08:42] wurstgelee : never
[2016-11-23 19:08:52] wurstgelee : not even vitalik
[2016-11-23 19:09:56] wurstgelee : eth is a dead chain glued together with a new chain
[2016-11-23 19:09:57] trollboxer : we need a new chain to track the forks, like a merkle tree of all the different eth forks
[2016-11-23 19:10:06] trollboxer : we can call it ethtree
[2016-11-23 19:10:49] sleger : bitcoiners are jealous because they cant fork
[2016-11-23 19:11:09] wurstgelee : they will fork. the elegant way.
[2016-11-23 19:11:15] rapidtrades : sleger: plz
[2016-11-23 19:11:16] wurstgelee : a soft fork is the better fork
[2016-11-23 19:11:23] sleger : vitalik doesnt need plates, he just eats forks
[2016-11-23 19:11:31] wurstgelee : if u u want force u use a hard soft fork
[2016-11-23 19:11:37] wurstgelee : the evil fork ;)
[2016-11-23 19:11:50] wurstgelee : thats how u do it properly...
[2016-11-23 19:11:58] wurstgelee : simple HF are for brutes
[2016-11-23 19:11:58] sleger : chinese people control bitcoin
[2016-11-23 19:12:01] sleger : and they dont use forks
[2016-11-23 19:12:03] sleger : ever
[2016-11-23 19:12:09] sleger : maybe bitcoin will chop
[2016-11-23 19:12:10] sleger : at best
[2016-11-23 19:12:17] wurstgelee : if lord vitalik had used a hard soft work, etc wouldnt exist
[2016-11-23 19:12:22] wurstgelee : biiiiiig mistake
[2016-11-23 19:12:58] sleger : try to tell a chinese how to use a fork
[2016-11-23 19:13:08] sleger : jung1 ?
[2016-11-23 19:13:12] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-23 19:13:41] rapidtrades : so asians use those stupid chopsticks are home too?
[2016-11-23 19:13:54] trollboxer : I think breaking every single wallet is a great way to move foward in a coin. Inspires confidence, like when you turn on ps4, and can't play, because you need an hour long downloaded update.
[2016-11-23 19:14:02] wurstgelee : yes, are home too
[2016-11-23 19:14:12] trollboxer : in that hour of staring at the update screen, you grow to appreciate what you are waiting for, how important it is
[2016-11-23 19:14:19] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-23 19:14:34] rapidtrades : why? they're less efficient
[2016-11-23 19:14:34] trollboxer : i like to hurt myself while I wait
[2016-11-23 19:14:42] sleger : rapidtrades: why would they go the hard way and use a fork ?
[2016-11-23 19:14:48] sleger : or a spoon
[2016-11-23 19:14:50] sleger : to eat rice
[2016-11-23 19:15:13] sleger : they only use fork to drink soup
[2016-11-23 19:15:38] wurstgelee : they probably use funnels are home like everyone else
[2016-11-23 19:16:12] sleger : at you sure ?
[2016-11-23 19:16:23] wurstgelee : somewhere
[2016-11-23 19:17:06] rapidtrades : I'm no scientist but wouldn't a spoon be the most efficient way to eat rice?
[2016-11-23 19:17:37] wurstgelee : running around naked in the summer would also be efficient
[2016-11-23 19:17:44] mjones : etc buy side only has 4 orders
[2016-11-23 19:17:47] trollboxer : pouring the bowl directly into my mouth saves on cleanup
[2016-11-23 19:18:10] sleger : trollboxer: not for your clothes though
[2016-11-23 19:18:18] trollboxer : I have a really big mouth
[2016-11-23 19:18:25] wurstgelee : trollboxer: use the pot, more efficient
[2016-11-23 19:18:26] sleger : rapid you confirm ?
[2016-11-23 19:18:31] trollboxer : and I don't wear clothes at home
[2016-11-23 19:18:41] wurstgelee : its winter ffs
[2016-11-23 19:18:51] sleger : well thats when we have heat
[2016-11-23 19:19:04] wurstgelee : yeah ofc.
[2016-11-23 19:19:06] trollboxer : thats why we have mining
[2016-11-23 19:19:39] wurstgelee : i like to smoke. i dont like smoke in the room. i dont like going outside when its cold.
[2016-11-23 19:19:47] wurstgelee : dont smoke is not an option
[2016-11-23 19:19:52] wurstgelee : thats the riddle
[2016-11-23 19:20:15] sleger : hole through the wall that you can plug
[2016-11-23 19:20:19] trollboxer : plexiglass cylinder over head for smoking, like a fishtank
[2016-11-23 19:20:20] wurstgelee : its way above 20°C in here ofc
[2016-11-23 19:20:34] wurstgelee : but window open a bit and cold outside. so no 25° ;)
[2016-11-23 19:20:55] wurstgelee : great ideas
[2016-11-23 19:20:58] trollboxer : e-cigarettes are great after e-sex
[2016-11-23 19:21:04] wurstgelee : should make a gofundme
[2016-11-23 19:30:37] martinium : Guess longs dont care about the funding coming up
[2016-11-23 19:31:34] mjones : nope
[2016-11-23 19:31:43] mjones : btc = moon = soon
[2016-11-23 19:32:10] lockhedge : they care too much, we are trading at >0.2% discount
[2016-11-23 19:41:05] leetsp33ch : IRC rulez
[2016-11-23 19:45:45] wurstgelee : i wonder if someone is seriously trying to sellwall zec futures?
[2016-11-23 19:47:35] trollboxer : those 50 qty have been there forever
[2016-11-23 19:48:04] arbitrage001 : good bet if less than 15 days to expiration
[2016-11-23 19:48:34] arbitrage001 : should consider zcash investors trying to lock in profit here also