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[2016-11-23 15:00:54] sq : looks like a gd place to short eh
[2016-11-23 15:04:05] Bacon futures trader : Bulls need to hold 5180 cny
[2016-11-23 15:04:08] Rado : sq: then short
[2016-11-23 15:04:14] Bacon futures trader : otherwise back to 5k fam
[2016-11-23 15:04:47] rapidtrades : holy crap
[2016-11-23 15:04:54] rapidtrades : Yuan at 6.945
[2016-11-23 15:04:58] rapidtrades : bitcoin down
[2016-11-23 15:05:07] rapidtrades : we're doomed
[2016-11-23 15:05:10] sq : rapidtrades: yeh kinda strange ya
[2016-11-23 15:05:49] jeeburns : ETC just gonna stagnate on this exchange? Avoiding it next time, way behind actual price. Or maybe it's a bargin now and will catch up soon
[2016-11-23 15:06:27] sleger : its a futures so eventually it has to catch up...
[2016-11-23 15:06:31] Rado : rapidtrades: It's just to show you that the correlation is not 100%
[2016-11-23 15:06:36] martinium : wonder who keeps buying the support
[2016-11-23 15:06:43] rapidtrades : Rado: im worried
[2016-11-23 15:06:48] rapidtrades : chinamen know smth
[2016-11-23 15:08:09] martinium : or it can be a delayed reaction
[2016-11-23 15:08:11] Rado : rapidtrades: USD is moving hard. Also bonds have been falling
[2016-11-23 15:08:32] Rado : something is definitely going to happen
[2016-11-23 15:08:33] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-11-23 15:08:39] Rado : also Gold falling
[2016-11-23 15:08:54] rapidtrades : i meant smth bitcoin-specific
[2016-11-23 15:08:54] zanza : China and India trying to buy bitcoin, but network full :(
[2016-11-23 15:08:55] Rado : I would say BTC is holding much better compared to Gold and Binds
[2016-11-23 15:09:28] Rado : rapidtrades: what would be bitcoin specific?
[2016-11-23 15:09:30] Bacon futures trader : Watch eurusd weekly
[2016-11-23 15:09:36] Rado : Segwit not etting accepted?
[2016-11-23 15:09:40] Rado : getting
[2016-11-23 15:09:57] rapidtrades : Rado: making those restrictions official?
[2016-11-23 15:10:23] Rado : maybe
[2016-11-23 15:10:40] Rado : that would be bad
[2016-11-23 15:10:49] martinium : bitmain supposedly supporting BU
[2016-11-23 15:10:54] Rado : I hate that Chinese government has that kind of power over BTC
[2016-11-23 15:10:59] martinium : SW is a halfassed bandaid anyways
[2016-11-23 15:11:47] martinium : if governments block btc people will have to physically trade some goods to get their first BTC
[2016-11-23 15:12:04] sleger : we should all buy eth instead
[2016-11-23 15:12:08] martinium : but there will always be a btc market since the tech is legit
[2016-11-23 15:12:12] martinium : haha eth
[2016-11-23 15:12:15] martinium : thats a pos
[2016-11-23 15:12:19] sleger : it is just better anyways
[2016-11-23 15:12:44] sleger : pos >> pow
[2016-11-23 15:13:31] martinium : nt security wise
[2016-11-23 15:13:39] martinium : all papers say pow is better
[2016-11-23 15:13:52] sleger : i think it is superior security wise, once properly implemented
[2016-11-23 15:14:10] sleger : not all papers say that ! i doubt vitalik papers would say that obv
[2016-11-23 15:20:28] martinium : as long as we have a working crypto i don't care what wins
[2016-11-23 15:22:23] trollboxer : I think any currency lives or dies by its size and volatility, the largest and least volitile one is massively more useful as a currency than small technical advances can make smaller more volatile ones
[2016-11-23 15:23:57] trollboxer : Even if eth was one day useful for anything at all, by in this example, having less external electricity burn for pow, how would it prevent, say, another coin from using that same open source trick, and thus gaining no market cap
[2016-11-23 15:24:46] trollboxer : cool technical innovations like zec, do not get rewarded with cash, because they can't defend their tech, so the cash goes to the momentum king btc, while everyone else things you can get rich with cool easily copied tech ideas, and no adoption on them
[2016-11-23 15:25:10] rapidtrades : poor ZEC :(
[2016-11-23 15:25:18] trollboxer : getting a big market cap is harder than cool technical tricks, and why it will always be better rewarded with dollars
[2016-11-23 15:26:09] trollboxer : marketcap defends itself while you sleep, cool tech tricks die before any marketshare gained
[2016-11-23 15:26:21] ariarttrader : I Go go go
[2016-11-23 15:27:25] trollboxer : zec's privacy features don't even work, so its a bad example
[2016-11-23 15:28:38] martinium : make or break for btc support coming up
[2016-11-23 15:29:28] trollboxer : all miners get paid to non anonymous addresses on their bitcoin fork. I think that's pretty funny
[2016-11-23 15:33:38] RocketScience : I am the troll that made a giant spike on USD/JPY daily chart :D
[2016-11-23 15:36:06] wurstgelee : trollboxer: thats just wrong z tx work
[2016-11-23 15:36:12] martinium : btc support about to break
[2016-11-23 15:36:49] rapidtrades : weird sp500 at 2199...no new highs
[2016-11-23 15:37:12] RocketScience : sleger is exiting his position there
[2016-11-23 15:37:21] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-23 15:40:12] martinium : sell wall at 735.81
[2016-11-23 15:40:25] martinium : someone betting it doesnt drop below that
[2016-11-23 15:41:38] martinium : meanwhile CNY exchanges battling to hold 5200
[2016-11-23 15:44:10] rapidtrades : BTC/CNY down too, so u can't blame a stronger dollar
[2016-11-23 15:52:28] martinium : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5egroc/why_against_segwit_and_core_jiang_zhuoer_who/
[2016-11-23 16:00:15] rapidtrades : FOMC minutes in 3 hrs
[2016-11-23 16:01:14] btwwdv : hi
[2016-11-23 16:02:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 4000 @ 758.84
[2016-11-23 16:09:54] martinium : shorts not doing shit today oh well
[2016-11-23 16:10:00] anonymous789 : well that was unexpected...
[2016-11-23 16:14:28] JamesPolo : anonymous789: what was
[2016-11-23 16:16:04] anonymous789 : sudden jump
[2016-11-23 16:16:58] trollboxer : zcash forum admin: The ratio of shielded to transparent ZEC will likely be a combination of three factors: what users receive it as, what users want to do with it, and what services support. The first is biased by pools towards t-addrs at present because of the bugs that we've now fixed; the middle factor (P2P transactions) hasn't really taken off yet; and the last is likely biased towards t-addrs because it's very easy to tweak a Bitcoin service to support t-addrs, whereas z-addrs take actual development effort.
[2016-11-23 16:23:46] JamesPolo : anonymous789: Ideal to better short
[2016-11-23 16:24:10] anonymous789 : yea i am short
[2016-11-23 16:24:20] anonymous789 : but higher lows are not inspiring confidence
[2016-11-23 16:24:30] anonymous789 : but the lower highs are...
[2016-11-23 16:25:04] anonymous789 : may close at break even until it decides which way it wants to go
[2016-11-23 16:29:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 737.22
[2016-11-23 16:29:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 340 @ 737.33
[2016-11-23 16:29:45] anonymous789 : aah broke 5200 on cny
[2016-11-23 16:29:58] shiroe : 5k here we come
[2016-11-23 16:30:56] martinium : impressive how those bots sync pricing across exchanges so quickly
[2016-11-23 16:31:11] JamesPolo : anonymous789: ;)
[2016-11-23 16:31:20] habibi : yea okc 5183, huobi 5211 - perfect sync
[2016-11-23 16:31:39] martinium : not what I mean
[2016-11-23 16:31:42] martinium : but whatever
[2016-11-23 16:31:51] anonymous789 : i prefer okc
[2016-11-23 16:32:03] martinium : okc is big boy
[2016-11-23 16:32:18] martinium : huobi is much lower volume usually
[2016-11-23 16:32:40] habibi : 2016 and people still looks at china vol
[2016-11-23 16:33:11] martinium : yeah its all fake 100% of the time
[2016-11-23 16:34:06] habibi : its just meaningless
[2016-11-23 16:36:31] arbitrage001 : btc looking weak
[2016-11-23 16:37:11] Cryptlex : Is it going to break below 700?
[2016-11-23 16:37:26] martinium : Cryptlex: probably
[2016-11-23 16:37:26] Bacon futures trader : rip
[2016-11-23 16:37:27] arbitrage001 : looks like it
[2016-11-23 16:37:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 4000 @ 748.41
[2016-11-23 16:37:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4950 @ 734.18
[2016-11-23 16:37:35] mjones : tanking
[2016-11-23 16:37:47] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-11-23 16:37:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9256 @ 733.70
[2016-11-23 16:37:49] arbitrage001 : go baby
[2016-11-23 16:37:51] arbitrage001 : tank more
[2016-11-23 16:37:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 600 @ 732.71
[2016-11-23 16:37:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 732.61
[2016-11-23 16:37:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 28000 @ 732.80
[2016-11-23 16:38:06] shiroe : rek train, woo
[2016-11-23 16:38:14] Cryptlex : pew pew
[2016-11-23 16:38:20] arbitrage001 : 650 is my target
[2016-11-23 16:38:26] arbitrage001 : will cover around that price
[2016-11-23 16:38:31] martinium : arbitrage001: same
[2016-11-23 16:38:42] habibi : arbitrage001: time frame? 1 day/week/ month?
[2016-11-23 16:38:45] arbitrage001 : martinium: good luck to both of us
[2016-11-23 16:38:52] JamesPolo : Well then
[2016-11-23 16:38:58] arbitrage001 : habibi: before dec 30th
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6765 @ 731.92
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 90 @ 731.81
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 800 @ 732.10
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9 @ 731.99
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 11000 @ 743.94
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 3000 @ 743.97
[2016-11-23 16:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 30500 @ 744.41
[2016-11-23 16:39:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 730.74
[2016-11-23 16:39:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 730.60
[2016-11-23 16:39:37] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-11-23 16:39:52] habibi : knock knock xmr market maker
[2016-11-23 16:41:13] mjones : nothing super big let for margin call.
[2016-11-23 16:41:32] mjones : yet*
[2016-11-23 16:43:21] Nerve : Wtf guys
[2016-11-23 16:43:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 200 @ 747.25
[2016-11-23 16:43:51] thomaskikansha : monero pump
[2016-11-23 16:47:27] JamesPolo : We hit support ?
[2016-11-23 16:47:44] mjones : xmr is gonna do so well when btc pumps.
[2016-11-23 16:47:50] wurstgelee : hard to tell 5 mins after a new low
[2016-11-23 16:47:51] mjones : 10x for sure
[2016-11-23 16:47:58] wurstgelee : mjones: hehee
[2016-11-23 16:48:02] wurstgelee : shorted :p
[2016-11-23 16:48:59] Bacon futures trader : 5180 cny s/r
[2016-11-23 16:51:54] mjones : damn xbtz16 bounced $10. didnt pull the trigger on a long
[2016-11-23 16:56:47] shiroe : 3 more 12hr houbi candles confirmed?
[2016-11-23 16:56:56] shiroe : i mean red candles?
[2016-11-23 16:59:29] martinium : I see 2
[2016-11-23 17:01:01] mjones : the buying and selling volume is insane for xmr 1.5 million XMR last 2 days on polo. must not be legit or polo is making a killing in fees
[2016-11-23 17:01:31] shery : No one buying btc
[2016-11-23 17:02:53] mjones : 4 hour btc candles red. short the house.
[2016-11-23 17:04:13] martinium : going to drop hard
[2016-11-23 17:04:18] martinium : this is just a warm up
[2016-11-23 17:04:31] anonymous789 : let's see if it gets through support at 720ish
[2016-11-23 17:04:34] rapidtrades : we're dead
[2016-11-23 17:04:46] rapidtrades : yuan at 6.95
[2016-11-23 17:04:57] martinium : whos dead shorts or longs
[2016-11-23 17:05:05] rapidtrades : longs
[2016-11-23 17:05:26] martinium : sitting at support here
[2016-11-23 17:05:32] martinium : longs better pray it holds
[2016-11-23 17:06:12] mjones : xmr going to tackle that 0.011 wall on polo
[2016-11-23 17:06:38] rapidtrades : today'd biggest down day for yuan since start of oct
[2016-11-23 17:06:51] martinium : yeah it has been a huge move
[2016-11-23 17:06:59] martinium : probably want BTC lower to buy more
[2016-11-23 17:07:00] mjones : already priced in
[2016-11-23 17:10:37] wurstgelee : not sure about that wall
[2016-11-23 17:10:45] wurstgelee : depends. on btc, as always
[2016-11-23 17:10:46] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 17:10:52] wurstgelee : or almost always...
[2016-11-23 17:11:17] wurstgelee : so we went up .01 with mark since yesterday @ zec
[2016-11-23 17:11:19] wurstgelee : finally...
[2016-11-23 17:11:21] Myllah : xmr
[2016-11-23 17:11:30] Myllah : up
[2016-11-23 17:11:36] mjones : zec slowly climbing on here
[2016-11-23 17:11:53] rapidtrades : can't believe idiots here are still discounting ZEC at 50%
[2016-11-23 17:12:05] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-23 17:12:05] wurstgelee : mjones: it has to. 5 weeks to settlement and we are 1/2
[2016-11-23 17:12:14] arbitrage001 : traders make money off each other
[2016-11-23 17:12:26] wurstgelee : not even 1/2 atm
[2016-11-23 17:12:58] RoftheN : That's because it's dec 30 right
[2016-11-23 17:13:17] RoftheN : 34 days still not over
[2016-11-23 17:13:22] arbitrage001 : obviously, short have some kind of insight here
[2016-11-23 17:13:23] CapitalGains : But also ZEC supply is at 1/4 of what it will be
[2016-11-23 17:13:31] arbitrage001 : or just plain gambling
[2016-11-23 17:14:19] arbitrage001 : i am not complaining if someone want to give me 50% discount
[2016-11-23 17:14:53] CapitalGains : arbitrage001: Short term trades aside, what do you estimate the ZECZ16 settling price will be?
[2016-11-23 17:15:09] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: no clue
[2016-11-23 17:15:40] arbitrage001 : but based on mining hash rate and profit, the price seems low
[2016-11-23 17:16:25] mjones : XRP hit a new low early. RIPple
[2016-11-23 17:16:25] Nerve : martinium: me on longs, allmost 2 BTC
[2016-11-23 17:17:04] BigDaddyBigDick : that wick on xbj16 tho..
[2016-11-23 17:17:53] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: my thinking
[2016-11-23 17:17:58] rapidtrades : CapitalGains: 3
[2016-11-23 17:18:04] wurstgelee : r/r for longing here is excellent imo
[2016-11-23 17:18:07] wurstgelee : with 50% discount
[2016-11-23 17:18:18] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: :)
[2016-11-23 17:18:27] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: yeah, agree
[2016-11-23 17:18:38] rapidtrades : guys rememer we said that at 0.3 too
[2016-11-23 17:18:46] rapidtrades : rr/ is excellent etc
[2016-11-23 17:18:50] wurstgelee : yeah, ofc.
[2016-11-23 17:18:51] arbitrage001 : obviously, need to limit the position size in case we are wrong
[2016-11-23 17:19:12] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: I'll happily be a (short) counterparty for you at 1.5 BTC per ZEC, let's do an OTC future.
[2016-11-23 17:19:12] rapidtrades : i mean the lowest it can go is 0, so at least we have that going for us
[2016-11-23 17:19:43] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: i always planned on massively increasing position size as we go down
[2016-11-23 17:19:50] wurstgelee : as long as we have 50% or more discount
[2016-11-23 17:20:00] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: Have you been sticking to that?
[2016-11-23 17:20:07] wurstgelee : like a boss
[2016-11-23 17:20:11] m.m : can funding fees drain ones account if ones position remains under negarive PNL for a prolonged time (e.g. days)?
[2016-11-23 17:20:25] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: 330 contracts and counting
[2016-11-23 17:20:38] arbitrage001 : only 70 here
[2016-11-23 17:20:52] wurstgelee : bought most of those sub .04
[2016-11-23 17:20:56] arbitrage001 : will double if price hit 0.02
[2016-11-23 17:21:00] wurstgelee : same
[2016-11-23 17:21:17] wurstgelee : well, not exactly
[2016-11-23 17:21:27] wurstgelee : if we go down ~ 1/3, i add +50% contracts
[2016-11-23 17:21:29] wurstgelee : roughly
[2016-11-23 17:21:33] wurstgelee : as long as we have that discount
[2016-11-23 17:21:47] arbitrage001 : we are already pretty close to investor price
[2016-11-23 17:21:55] arbitrage001 : cant see what can go wrong
[2016-11-23 17:22:05] wurstgelee : at least not a big multiple of that
[2016-11-23 17:22:21] wurstgelee : 0.02 is investor price
[2016-11-23 17:22:35] wurstgelee : so current price seems great with that discount ;)
[2016-11-23 17:22:36] martinium : you guys think zcash will actually get used?
[2016-11-23 17:22:41] CapitalGains : No
[2016-11-23 17:22:41] martinium : like btc for commerce
[2016-11-23 17:22:42] wurstgelee : i do
[2016-11-23 17:22:51] wurstgelee : its way better than xmr
[2016-11-23 17:22:54] arbitrage001 : martinium: if the tech work, it will probably replace btc
[2016-11-23 17:22:58] RoftheN : Why not, is quite useful, better than Monero
[2016-11-23 17:22:58] wurstgelee : regarding anonymity
[2016-11-23 17:23:00] martinium : I jsut don't see it with their backdoor built-in
[2016-11-23 17:23:11] martinium : blackmarkets will use xmr
[2016-11-23 17:23:17] martinium : as they currently do
[2016-11-23 17:23:20] RoftheN : It won't replace BTC though. It will work together with BTC
[2016-11-23 17:23:24] arbitrage001 : the only real use of btc is black market
[2016-11-23 17:23:24] wurstgelee : monero is just a big tumbling service. zcash has anon transactions which are actually untracable
[2016-11-23 17:23:39] habibi : martinium: black markets are fine with btc
[2016-11-23 17:24:02] wurstgelee : habibi: i hate paying those bitblender fees tho
[2016-11-23 17:24:06] martinium : they use btc and xmr
[2016-11-23 17:24:10] martinium : from what I've see
[2016-11-23 17:24:11] wurstgelee : so i heatrd
[2016-11-23 17:24:12] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-23 17:24:14] wurstgelee : *heard
[2016-11-23 17:24:16] RoftheN : Lool
[2016-11-23 17:24:18] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-23 17:24:20] martinium : zec cheap enough may start adoption
[2016-11-23 17:24:32] RoftheN : So what criminal activities do you do, wurstgelee?
[2016-11-23 17:24:39] CapitalGains : :D
[2016-11-23 17:24:55] wurstgelee : nothing criminal (any more) :p
[2016-11-23 17:24:55] arbitrage001 : RoftheN: probably tax evading
[2016-11-23 17:24:56] CapitalGains : Safe to say here
[2016-11-23 17:24:57] RoftheN : But even if Zcash will be big one day, it will still go down some more
[2016-11-23 17:25:21] martinium : for now it has no accepting merchants nada
[2016-11-23 17:25:31] martinium : just a concept with venture cap behind it
[2016-11-23 17:25:37] wurstgelee : martinium: ofc not. no supply ffs
[2016-11-23 17:25:41] arbitrage001 : martinium: which is big
[2016-11-23 17:25:55] wurstgelee : and having venture cap is actually a good thing
[2016-11-23 17:26:03] arbitrage001 : having academy personal get involved is why eth gain mainstream support
[2016-11-23 17:26:11] wurstgelee : or in arbitrage0001's words: its big
[2016-11-23 17:26:18] wurstgelee : *-0
[2016-11-23 17:26:22] martinium : lol
[2016-11-23 17:29:04] wurstgelee : omg, ZEC going down! quick, go short everyone. no time to check or for having second thoughts!
[2016-11-23 17:29:06] mjones : xbtz16 main market maker has $2 spread
[2016-11-23 17:29:08] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-23 17:29:36] mjones : swap too. at least they increased it to 20k contracts
[2016-11-23 17:29:52] wurstgelee : spreads also bigger on alts now
[2016-11-23 17:30:43] mjones : i noticed that on xmr.
[2016-11-23 17:30:49] wurstgelee : me 2
[2016-11-23 17:31:01] wurstgelee : btw, xmr tackling nothing here atm, especially not that wall :p
[2016-11-23 17:31:02] mjones : eth too. wonder if it's 1 person on all these alts
[2016-11-23 17:31:18] wurstgelee : or all these markets....
[2016-11-23 17:31:24] martinium : prob sleger
[2016-11-23 17:31:27] martinium : lol
[2016-11-23 17:31:28] habibi : it is, every time he is not making money he is increasing spread
[2016-11-23 17:31:37] wurstgelee : habibi: yep :D
[2016-11-23 17:31:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 13701 @ 734.67
[2016-11-23 17:31:43] habibi : and if volatility is increasing as well
[2016-11-23 17:32:01] wurstgelee : prob more traders profitable here than on other exchanges i assume
[2016-11-23 17:32:02] trollboxer : I bet zec would go lots higher if the dude with 280 contracts for sale on book below .50 didn't have them sitting there pushing price down.
[2016-11-23 17:32:05] arbitrage001 : there is only 1 MM on eth?
[2016-11-23 17:32:05] wurstgelee : percentage-wise
[2016-11-23 17:32:24] arbitrage001 : ddint know sleger is the only MM on eth
[2016-11-23 17:32:25] wurstgelee : those who are really bad get rekt faster here than elsewhere....
[2016-11-23 17:32:39] habibi : arbitrage001: we r talking about main one, with any useable quoting
[2016-11-23 17:32:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2000 @ 735.40
[2016-11-23 17:32:59] wurstgelee : oh btc
[2016-11-23 17:33:02] wurstgelee : didnt notice :)
[2016-11-23 17:33:06] wurstgelee : thank you rekt
[2016-11-23 17:33:10] sleger : i am not the mm on eth here
[2016-11-23 17:34:47] wurstgelee : btc up a tad, xmr down
[2016-11-23 17:35:41] habibi : mjones: great calls! :)
[2016-11-23 17:36:10] wurstgelee : that wall @ .011? ;)
[2016-11-23 17:36:14] mjones : i have bad judgement and bad instincts. just like hillary clinton
[2016-11-23 17:36:26] wurstgelee : welcome to trading
[2016-11-23 17:36:28] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 17:36:38] wurstgelee : you have the job...
[2016-11-23 17:36:52] arbitrage001 : if you are losing all the time, do opposite of what you think
[2016-11-23 17:36:59] mjones : yes
[2016-11-23 17:38:32] mjones : insane price movement on btc
[2016-11-23 17:38:55] sleger : insane ?
[2016-11-23 17:39:30] anonymous789 : back above 5200 on cny
[2016-11-23 17:39:46] anonymous789 : still lower highs and lower lows
[2016-11-23 17:40:31] mjones : xbtz16 swinging pretty good up and down
[2016-11-23 17:41:06] martinium : crazy how btc is dominated by CNY flows
[2016-11-23 17:42:30] sleger : like habibi would say, this is where all the volume is
[2016-11-23 17:44:02] habibi : sleger: U God damn right. Herh herh herh.
[2016-11-23 17:44:10] rapidtrades : wtf now we're up
[2016-11-23 17:44:32] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: you're such an emotional bitch
[2016-11-23 17:44:51] wurstgelee : sleger likes him emotional
[2016-11-23 17:44:56] arbitrage001 : emotion is an enemy of traders
[2016-11-23 17:45:44] rapidtrades : anonymous789: no that's ur mum
[2016-11-23 17:46:50] JamesPolo : rapidtrades: doesn't help your case
[2016-11-23 17:47:01] sleger : wurstgelee: he's soft on the inside tough on the outside
[2016-11-23 17:47:30] rapidtrades : JamesPolo: I 'cased' your mum last night
[2016-11-23 17:47:37] rapidtrades : if you know what I mean ;)
[2016-11-23 17:47:56] wurstgelee : sleger: the opposite would be bad
[2016-11-23 17:49:44] JamesPolo : rapidtrades: Aren't you too young to have btc?
[2016-11-23 17:50:55] rapidtrades : JamesPolo: no, i need it to pay for your mum's 'services'
[2016-11-23 17:51:19] sleger : isnt she too old to accept btc ?
[2016-11-23 17:51:49] JamesPolo : sleger: she is but rapidtrades likes them old
[2016-11-23 17:53:33] JamesPolo : Great community we have ?
[2016-11-23 17:53:39] sleger : dont talk like that about your mother bad boy
[2016-11-23 17:57:12] rapidtrades : ok so okc exchange rate is 6.8 but actual rate is 0.9
[2016-11-23 17:57:36] rapidtrades : sry 6.9....what does this mean for the index? is should be higher right
[2016-11-23 17:57:42] j8 : lower
[2016-11-23 17:57:57] rapidtrades : ah yes
[2016-11-23 17:58:47] rapidtrades : so there's still some premium left
[2016-11-23 17:58:59] j8 : index should drop around half a percent after this week's settlement
[2016-11-23 17:59:28] j8 : and it will still be lagging
[2016-11-23 17:59:28] wurstgelee : zec about to make a new 24h high
[2016-11-23 17:59:30] rapidtrades : that explains most of the premium on bi-weekly
[2016-11-23 18:00:25] j8 : does it? the bi-weekly premium is effectively half a percent more than it seems
[2016-11-23 18:04:05] mjones : btc heading back down
[2016-11-23 18:04:15] +1 : I’m Feeling Lucky
[2016-11-23 18:04:54] mjones : isnt that tomorrow
[2016-11-23 18:05:03] mjones : i hope i'm feeling lucky tomorrow too
[2016-11-23 18:05:36] mjones : 18 hours till i win some BTC for being a troll
[2016-11-23 18:05:59] +1 : mjones: it's today
[2016-11-23 18:06:07] rapidtrades : mjones: wait what
[2016-11-23 18:06:10] +1 : LOL
[2016-11-23 18:06:42] +1 : rapidtrades: Now everyone forgets?
[2016-11-23 18:07:04] CapitalGains : +1: Nice try
[2016-11-23 18:07:07] rapidtrades : they finally put it up in announcements
[2016-11-23 18:07:21] sleger : j8: you said the index will drop 1/2% so the premium would increase by 1/2% after the index drops
[2016-11-23 18:07:37] j8 : yep
[2016-11-23 18:08:23] sleger : j8: ok i guess i misunderstood your latest statement "the bi-weekly premium is effectively half a percent more than it seems"
[2016-11-23 18:08:23] rapidtrades : so i just need one trade to qulaify as a troll?
[2016-11-23 18:08:24] j8 : so the half percent that's there already is not explained by that, it's added to that
[2016-11-23 18:08:42] mjones : rapidtrades: read the trading awards announcement.
[2016-11-23 18:08:48] rapidtrades : i just did
[2016-11-23 18:08:52] rapidtrades : i asked a q
[2016-11-23 18:09:07] sleger : rapidtrades: you already qualify as a troll
[2016-11-23 18:09:08] sleger : big time
[2016-11-23 18:09:16] rapidtrades : i'll do a 1 contract on swap
[2016-11-23 18:09:41] rapidtrades : oh wait its for tomorrow
[2016-11-23 18:09:43] mjones : 24 November 2016 12:00 UTC to 25 November 2016 12:00 UTC
[2016-11-23 18:09:45] mjones : that's in 6 hours
[2016-11-23 18:09:52] rapidtrades : i just posted that jone
[2016-11-23 18:10:05] mjones : word
[2016-11-23 18:10:29] lockhedge : i'm thinking of running a mm with 4 btc margin on 25x. if volatility is low, i'm Big Spender. if vaolatility is high i'
[2016-11-23 18:10:49] rapidtrades : FINISH IT
[2016-11-23 18:11:03] lockhedge : *if volatility is high i'm "Shoot The Moon" or "YachtClub"
[2016-11-23 18:11:41] rapidtrades : if volatility is high mm usually get ra*ped
[2016-11-23 18:12:21] mjones : if no one gets liquidated tomorrow then i'll make sure i do to win that award
[2016-11-23 18:12:47] wurstgelee : i usually get liquidated each 3 days
[2016-11-23 18:12:52] wurstgelee : it's day 2
[2016-11-23 18:12:54] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-11-23 18:12:58] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-11-23 18:13:20] wurstgelee : 50x all the way.... ;)
[2016-11-23 18:13:24] wurstgelee : and 10x alts
[2016-11-23 18:14:06] j8 : someone's gonna lose a lot more than 2 btc going for that prize
[2016-11-23 18:14:07] rapidtrades : bloomberg turned all their anchors from blond to redheads
[2016-11-23 18:14:38] mjones : hot
[2016-11-23 18:14:56] wurstgelee : "big spender" will prob escalate with sleger winning by selling and buying between 2 of his accounts
[2016-11-23 18:15:36] wurstgelee : or someone else....lots of self trading
[2016-11-23 18:15:38] sleger : wont risk getting into high leverage for 2 btc prize
[2016-11-23 18:15:49] wurstgelee : sleger: u can win with turnover
[2016-11-23 18:15:52] wurstgelee : volume
[2016-11-23 18:16:01] sleger : nah the MM will be hard to beat there
[2016-11-23 18:16:12] wurstgelee : sleger: • Big Spender: Trader with the most Bitcoin turnover summed across all BitMEX products.
[2016-11-23 18:16:27] wurstgelee : sleger: oops. didnt consider that
[2016-11-23 18:16:29] wurstgelee : true
[2016-11-23 18:16:43] wurstgelee : if they participate, they win.
[2016-11-23 18:16:48] wurstgelee : *or he
[2016-11-23 18:16:56] j8 : yeah, all your volume is volume for someone else too
[2016-11-23 18:17:04] j8 : unless you self-trade
[2016-11-23 18:17:13] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-11-23 18:17:14] sleger : but fees are too high here for that
[2016-11-23 18:17:27] NW2443 : buy or sell btc?
[2016-11-23 18:17:34] wurstgelee : or
[2016-11-23 18:17:40] sleger : NW2443: AND
[2016-11-23 18:17:53] wurstgelee : buy and or sell
[2016-11-23 18:17:54] lockhedge : 4000 btc volume with 2 btc invested in wash trading
[2016-11-23 18:18:05] wurstgelee : lockhedge: mm has some more ;)
[2016-11-23 18:18:15] lockhedge : no, not today
[2016-11-23 18:18:25] wurstgelee : hm, right
[2016-11-23 18:18:27] sleger : avg roundtrip price here is 0.05% so 2btc*100*20 = what he said
[2016-11-23 18:18:41] sleger : 2btcx100x20
[2016-11-23 18:19:03] BitMEX_Sam : We've talked to our lead MMs and they have agreed to be excluded from the volume consideration for Thursday
[2016-11-23 18:19:07] NW2443 : what is difference unrealised and realised
[2016-11-23 18:19:14] sleger : how nice of them
[2016-11-23 18:19:15] BitMEX_Sam : Those of you who we talked to know who they are, the rest are in the running
[2016-11-23 18:19:26] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: ok, that makes it interesting again ;)
[2016-11-23 18:19:44] sleger : NW2443: "un"
[2016-11-23 18:19:50] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 18:20:02] j8 : they'll probably make something MMing the competition anyway
[2016-11-23 18:20:04] NW2443 : haha
[2016-11-23 18:22:04] +1 : When did I agree to be excluded? LOL
[2016-11-23 18:22:38] sleger : hillaryous
[2016-11-23 18:24:00] mjones : wait there be no movement those 24 hours. just sideways
[2016-11-23 18:40:04] anonymous789 : okc having a real battle at this 5200 level
[2016-11-23 18:40:11] CapitalGains : Question guys: in, say, a bearish BTC market, does SWAP have negative funding more frequently?
[2016-11-23 18:40:20] sleger : yes
[2016-11-23 18:40:34] trollboxer : someone is eating the hidden wall on zec
[2016-11-23 18:41:49] trollboxer : short squeeze?
[2016-11-23 18:43:18] trollboxer : i'll try to push it back down
[2016-11-23 18:46:31] trollboxer : good luck bidding through dem wallz
[2016-11-23 18:47:24] wurstgelee : the price will get closer to spot@polo every day
[2016-11-23 18:47:30] wurstgelee : no matter any walls...
[2016-11-23 18:48:02] anonymous789 : still lower highs looks bearish short term
[2016-11-23 18:48:27] trollboxer : i'm scared
[2016-11-23 18:48:51] trollboxer : plz no liquidation
[2016-11-23 18:48:59] trollboxer : is there a limit on the daily movement on zec?
[2016-11-23 18:49:04] mjones : no
[2016-11-23 18:49:10] anonymous789 : be funny if this is the start of the bounce to 1200+ lol
[2016-11-23 18:49:12] CapitalGains : trollboxer: can't go higher than 100 BTC at the moment
[2016-11-23 18:49:25] trollboxer : oh, thank goodness
[2016-11-23 18:49:42] arbitrage001 : trollboxer: what is your liquidation price?
[2016-11-23 18:50:10] wurstgelee : we are @ 2.5 days (almost) of no-new-lows. despite btc
[2016-11-23 18:50:19] wurstgelee : thats something
[2016-11-23 18:50:38] wurstgelee : not saying this was bottom, but we are getting closer...
[2016-11-23 18:51:03] trollboxer : I think the half price coins are too tasty looking for miners. they can sell at .90 and buy here at .45
[2016-11-23 18:51:18] wurstgelee : no new lows despite supply rapidly increasing.
[2016-11-23 18:51:21] trollboxer : instant double money for them right?
[2016-11-23 18:51:27] wurstgelee : thats a first for an alt afaik
[2016-11-23 18:51:49] wurstgelee : trollboxer: vc money bought for .02
[2016-11-23 18:51:50] sleger : or they can sell at 0.9 and just not buy here
[2016-11-23 18:51:51] wurstgelee : $15
[2016-11-23 18:52:17] wurstgelee : so +125% whery we are atm
[2016-11-23 18:52:24] wurstgelee : *where
[2016-11-23 18:52:36] wurstgelee : thats by far not too much....
[2016-11-23 18:52:54] wurstgelee : others beg to differ tho. just 2 cents
[2016-11-23 18:53:34] wurstgelee : and those who shorted @ 0.035 .....ouch
[2016-11-23 18:53:39] wurstgelee : also thank you :)
[2016-11-23 18:58:44] sleger : wurstgelee: also i dont think VC got their coins immediately, it was progressively given to them over 4 years
[2016-11-23 18:58:55] sleger : so they are not even sure to be in profit in the end
[2016-11-23 18:58:56] wurstgelee : sleger: exactly
[2016-11-23 18:59:35] martinium : BTC holding support range like a boss
[2016-11-23 18:59:37] trollboxer : Yeah, the founders aren't selling their coins, you can see them in the chain, they'll support the price
[2016-11-23 18:59:41] sleger : buying a new coin with 21m coins at 15$ might not have been the best investment anyways if you get those in 2y average
[2016-11-23 18:59:48] wurstgelee : trollboxer: yes
[2016-11-23 19:00:00] wurstgelee : sleger: yeah, might or might not ;)
[2016-11-23 19:00:14] sleger : unlike people who invested in eth
[2016-11-23 19:00:20] sleger : big success
[2016-11-23 19:00:22] wurstgelee : otherwise there would be nothing to trade
[2016-11-23 19:00:24] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-23 19:01:00] sleger : Vitalik made blockchains great again
[2016-11-23 19:01:10] sleger : he has tremendous vision and the best judgment
[2016-11-23 19:01:25] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 19:01:43] wurstgelee : not sure if trolling tbh
[2016-11-23 19:01:54] arbitrage001 : polo will soon have no other coin but eth1,2,3,4,5,6 and etc
[2016-11-23 19:02:05] arbitrage001 : good for polo volume also
[2016-11-23 19:02:16] wurstgelee : we could be @ eth8 now
[2016-11-23 19:02:29] wurstgelee : but the other chains and potentials chains died
[2016-11-23 19:02:32] wurstgelee : *-s
[2016-11-23 19:02:38] sleger : there is only one vitalik though
[2016-11-23 19:03:06] wurstgelee : there was also only one hitler
[2016-11-23 19:03:11] wurstgelee : what are u trying to say?
[2016-11-23 19:03:35] sleger : all the other eth are worthless because they do not have their vitalik
[2016-11-23 19:03:50] wurstgelee : they do. vitalik works for them if they want to
[2016-11-23 19:03:53] wurstgelee : open source, right?
[2016-11-23 19:04:19] wurstgelee : they can go as much the same way as they want
[2016-11-23 19:04:24] sleger : yes but they are not just copycats, etc wont have pos for instance
[2016-11-23 19:04:31] wurstgelee : but with an untikered ledger
[2016-11-23 19:04:35] wurstgelee : *n
[2016-11-23 19:04:38] wurstgelee : in case of etc
[2016-11-23 19:04:41] sleger : sometimes refusing one fork means the other are impossible to steal
[2016-11-23 19:04:59] wurstgelee : i disagree. iyou have an example?
[2016-11-23 19:05:24] rapidtrades : nothing major in the Fed minutes
[2016-11-23 19:05:40] sleger : eth fundation could introduce something in next hard fork that makes it impossible to adopt if dao still has its tokens for instance
[2016-11-23 19:05:57] wurstgelee : too vague. what could that be?
[2016-11-23 19:06:04] sleger : then etc would have to dig into the code to remove that
[2016-11-23 19:06:21] sleger : if wallet xxxx contains tokens then selfdestruct
[2016-11-23 19:06:25] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-23 19:06:30] wurstgelee : bullshit :)
[2016-11-23 19:06:58] wurstgelee : thats just not true, there is nothing what you couldnt imploement with the dao tokens untouched
[2016-11-23 19:07:14] wurstgelee : the opposite is possible tho
[2016-11-23 19:07:15] sleger : i just gave an example
[2016-11-23 19:07:28] sleger : it might be obvious to remove by changing code but still
[2016-11-23 19:07:30] wurstgelee : etc could introduce ledger checks which eth couldnt pass ;)
[2016-11-23 19:07:58] rapidtrades : ETC>ETH
[2016-11-23 19:08:17] sleger : as the price clearly shows
[2016-11-23 19:08:26] CapitalGains : sleger: +1
[2016-11-23 19:08:34] wurstgelee : etc has a ledger. eth has something ledgeresque
[2016-11-23 19:08:40] wurstgelee : eth cannot fix that
[2016-11-23 19:08:42] wurstgelee : never
[2016-11-23 19:08:52] wurstgelee : not even vitalik
[2016-11-23 19:09:56] wurstgelee : eth is a dead chain glued together with a new chain
[2016-11-23 19:09:57] trollboxer : we need a new chain to track the forks, like a merkle tree of all the different eth forks
[2016-11-23 19:10:06] trollboxer : we can call it ethtree
[2016-11-23 19:10:49] sleger : bitcoiners are jealous because they cant fork
[2016-11-23 19:11:09] wurstgelee : they will fork. the elegant way.
[2016-11-23 19:11:15] rapidtrades : sleger: plz