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[2016-11-21 21:59:11] Dtrade16 : You guys really don't think hacker groups control crypto?
[2016-11-21 21:59:52] Dtrade16 : Like they can directly influence price
[2016-11-21 21:59:53] trollboxer : Well the guy that started bitcoin and has 10% of all the coins, never spent a nickle of them, so I guess he just doesn't like money
[2016-11-21 22:00:07] sleger : 2.5k wall at 740
[2016-11-21 22:00:49] Dtrade16 : I don't get it @trollboxer
[2016-11-21 22:01:12] anonymous789 : sleger: you think it's going higher?
[2016-11-21 22:01:27] trollboxer : 10 percent of all the bitcoins in existence are owned by the person that invented bitcoin. He has never used them. This is not normal "hacker" behavior, nor manipulator behavior.
[2016-11-21 22:01:31] sleger : i dont talk to anonymous people
[2016-11-21 22:01:51] anonymous789 : sleger: smart move
[2016-11-21 22:02:36] Dtrade16 : trollboxer: I never suggested that person was a hacker
[2016-11-21 22:03:03] Dtrade16 : But what if someone unethical came along and wanted to hack coins?
[2016-11-21 22:03:09] trollboxer : The market is too large with too many players now for easy manipulation. Even china bans have little effect these days
[2016-11-21 22:03:50] trollboxer : If you can't beat them, join them, h4ck the plan3t
[2016-11-21 22:05:49] Dtrade16 : I'm just saying we're pretty much at the mercy of these guys until some regulation happens
[2016-11-21 22:06:09] miramm1115 : everyone knows that bitcoin was invented by CIA. they want to switch all illegal markets to bitcoin, it's much easier to track than cash
[2016-11-21 22:06:33] Dtrade16 : Why else would people be hacking eth right now? If not to get cheaper coins?
[2016-11-21 22:07:09] habibi : to close their pre hack big short positions in profit
[2016-11-21 22:07:42] trollboxer : I thought trump was going to put Gavin in charge, but the blockstream guys sided with the reptilians against him. Now we have to freeze Bernie so he can run in 2020 and then we can get 1 gigabyte blocks
[2016-11-21 22:08:32] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-21 22:08:52] miramm1115 : nice, someone still has enough money on finex to show 2.5k ask
[2016-11-21 22:09:02] rapidtrades : wait there's another ETH hack?
[2016-11-21 22:09:25] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: no hack, ddos stuff
[2016-11-21 22:09:26] trollboxer : I thought ETH was the hack?
[2016-11-21 22:09:43] mjones : there are like 26,000 BTC long on bitfinex. 2500 is nothin
[2016-11-21 22:10:07] sleger : thats 10% in one order, thats not nothing
[2016-11-21 22:10:19] miramm1115 : what sleger said
[2016-11-21 22:11:40] trollboxer : You can't hack ETH, ETH was born in the hack. The DAO merely adopted it.
[2016-11-21 22:11:59] sleger : however i dont think this is an order that will stay if someone starts to buy into it
[2016-11-21 22:12:15] rapidtrades : if smone puts huge order they're usually not looking to execute it in full
[2016-11-21 22:12:38] rapidtrades : maybe they're stupid enough to think it changes market sentiment
[2016-11-21 22:13:32] trollboxer : maybe the UI will hiccup and their order will fill before they can panic cancel
[2016-11-21 22:17:36] rapidtrades : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-21/how-renaissance-s-medallion-fund-became-finance-s-blackest-box
[2016-11-21 22:19:33] trollboxer : Lets see how they do in a bear market
[2016-11-21 22:20:12] laisee : ren has grown for about 30 years of up & down markets
[2016-11-21 22:20:52] trollboxer : yeah, but he had less mass to move then
[2016-11-21 22:21:04] sleger : trollboxer: they do fine dummy
[2016-11-21 22:21:23] sleger : great company
[2016-11-21 22:21:41] rapidtrades : sleger: how do they trade?
[2016-11-21 22:21:50] sleger : algo
[2016-11-21 22:22:25] trollboxer : They might be, however, I think that making money via quant, doesn't help the world so much, and has often gone wrong. Fundamentals seem to build more things of value and have less black swan drawdown.
[2016-11-21 22:22:55] rapidtrades : sleger: gee tnx
[2016-11-21 22:23:04] rapidtrades : Fees were also ratcheted up—from 5 percent of assets and 20 percent of profits, to 5 percent and 44 percent.
[2016-11-21 22:23:16] j8 : article says they drew down 20% ($1 billion) in 2007 then ended the year up 86%
[2016-11-21 22:23:17] trollboxer : Signals will not help you vaccum your car. They're just a tax on the stupid
[2016-11-21 22:24:02] trollboxer : I like this quote: "Too much money destroys returns. "
[2016-11-21 22:27:48] trollboxer : Cool article rapidtrades. I wish there were more moonshot style stuff in the world
[2016-11-21 22:29:37] trollboxer : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_Simons $60 million in campaign funds from Ren lol
[2016-11-21 22:34:20] rapidtrades : i learned nothing from that article
[2016-11-21 22:34:37] trollboxer : which one
[2016-11-21 22:34:39] rapidtrades : so they trade mostly short-term and mix of trends/mean reversion
[2016-11-21 22:35:02] rapidtrades : almost useless info
[2016-11-21 22:36:01] trollboxer : I think the idea is that none of us is smart enough to understand their magic, because they're so black box and exclusive. So even if they showed you their models, you're not supposed to understand them. I think.
[2016-11-21 22:36:54] rapidtrades : By studying cloud cover data, they found a correlation between sunny days and rising markets from New York to Tokyo.
[2016-11-21 22:36:59] rapidtrades : ^ that was funny
[2016-11-21 22:37:19] trollboxer : Trade all the signals. Gotta trade em all
[2016-11-21 22:37:23] rapidtrades : in yo face efficient market hypothesis
[2016-11-21 22:37:30] j8 : it says they employ people from speech recognition and astrophysics. both are finding structure in noisy data
[2016-11-21 22:38:07] trollboxer : sounds like overfitting to me
[2016-11-21 22:38:15] trollboxer : but i'm poor soo.....
[2016-11-21 22:38:35] j8 : people that study these things understand overfitting well
[2016-11-21 22:39:28] trollboxer : what do you call it when your accurate model starts losing money, and continues to do so till you have to find a new job. whatever that is called
[2016-11-21 22:39:58] j8 : and it's not about being right every time, it's about having a small but significant edge
[2016-11-21 22:40:11] trollboxer : remember these guys? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Term_Capital_Management
[2016-11-21 22:40:30] rapidtrades : trollboxer: i think once u run 50-100 models the blow up risk is smaller
[2016-11-21 22:40:46] rapidtrades : LTCM was arb only shop afaik
[2016-11-21 22:41:22] laisee : reversion to mean trader
[2016-11-21 22:41:28] trollboxer : http://blog.alphaarchitect.com/2015/09/08/warren-buffett-ltcm-blind-spots-leverage-taking-unnecessary-risks/#gs.USDFeTM
[2016-11-21 22:42:27] rapidtrades : that's a good site
[2016-11-21 22:45:17] rapidtrades : losing 20% in few days says their leverage is on the high side
[2016-11-21 22:45:43] laisee : ltcm beleived their model worked in every market and forgot size goes against u when market decides to let u fail. also the CEO was an asshole unliked by wall st.
[2016-11-21 22:46:15] laisee : "when genius failed" is a great book on finance and hubris.
[2016-11-21 22:46:27] trollboxer : proof of political good will algo, lol
[2016-11-21 22:49:19] trollboxer : So that wall on finex got eaten?
[2016-11-21 22:50:06] wurstgelee : do u see that kind of volume there?
[2016-11-21 22:52:04] trollboxer : I'm gonna assume that means it was pulled :)
[2016-11-21 22:55:14] rapidtrades : man this bitcoin thing just doesn't wanna go down
[2016-11-21 23:07:27] Rado : rapidtrades: why do you want it to go down?
[2016-11-21 23:08:05] Rado : wurstgelee: you buying XMR again?
[2016-11-21 23:08:17] Rado : you should only short it when it pops :-)
[2016-11-21 23:10:12] wurstgelee : Rado: still have half my long
[2016-11-21 23:10:23] wurstgelee : only gonna rebuy if it goes below 90
[2016-11-21 23:11:53] wurstgelee : also die buttcoin, die
[2016-11-21 23:11:54] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-21 23:12:46] wurstgelee : Rado: *pop*
[2016-11-21 23:12:47] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-11-21 23:26:02] BitMEX_Sam : Great news everyone, we're finally back on TradingView: https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=BITMEX%3AXBTUSD
[2016-11-21 23:29:27] sleger : does that allow me to withdraw my ZEC ?
[2016-11-21 23:31:35] BitMEX_Sam : Once you discover the hidden BitMEX easter egg, anything can happen
[2016-11-22 00:02:46] mjones : zec wow sqeeze!!
[2016-11-22 00:11:16] wurstgelee : btc starting to look shitty
[2016-11-22 00:11:41] wurstgelee : also wtf, who s having fun with zec here?
[2016-11-22 00:12:20] sleger : Open Interest 3,116
[2016-11-22 00:12:40] wurstgelee : damn, i am below 10% again
[2016-11-22 00:16:55] mjones : someone guessing zec = bottom
[2016-11-22 00:26:57] wurstgelee : not too off
[2016-11-22 00:27:08] wurstgelee : would be ~ $25 if my math is correct
[2016-11-22 00:27:19] wurstgelee : vc paid $15
[2016-11-22 00:27:53] wurstgelee : well, more like $30
[2016-11-22 00:28:36] wurstgelee : oh, thats not too far off first mc's now
[2016-11-22 00:28:45] trollboxer : what's $25?
[2016-11-22 00:28:51] wurstgelee : 0.04
[2016-11-22 00:28:59] wurstgelee : its 30 tho
[2016-11-22 00:29:04] wurstgelee : ~
[2016-11-22 00:32:23] mjones : 0.05 will see zec shorts called
[2016-11-22 00:32:37] trollboxer : what happens when they get called?
[2016-11-22 00:32:55] wurstgelee : nothing. people will close longs into them i guess
[2016-11-22 00:32:56] mjones : longs close in profit
[2016-11-22 00:33:07] wurstgelee : or longs get adled if we move up further
[2016-11-22 00:34:12] trollboxer : how often does this happen?
[2016-11-22 00:34:29] wurstgelee : liquidations?
[2016-11-22 00:34:35] wurstgelee : u witnessed quite a lot of them here i guess
[2016-11-22 00:34:35] trollboxer : yes
[2016-11-22 00:34:44] wurstgelee : everything REKT is announcing
[2016-11-22 00:36:19] wurstgelee : open interest 3,134
[2016-11-22 00:38:29] wurstgelee : 3163
[2016-11-22 00:44:24] chuvancito : where ?
[2016-11-22 00:45:05] trollboxer : ZEC
[2016-11-22 00:45:48] chuvancito : the price is rocket :(
[2016-11-22 00:47:19] trollboxer : So if REKT isn't messaging, then no one has been liquidated?
[2016-11-22 00:50:11] laisee : trollboxer: u have to pay extra tor your liquidation to be announced by REKT
[2016-11-22 00:50:35] trollboxer : does he accept wowgold?
[2016-11-22 00:51:46] laisee : only BTC, payable in contracts listed on Bitmex
[2016-11-22 00:56:01] mjones : btc nooo bounce
[2016-11-22 00:56:52] chuvancito : how much?
[2016-11-22 00:58:21] wurstgelee : much
[2016-11-22 01:00:35] Josephus : http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/gates-foundation-gives-factom-grant-deploy-blockchain-medical-records
[2016-11-22 01:10:07] wurstgelee : wow
[2016-11-22 01:10:25] wurstgelee : Open Interest 3,753
[2016-11-22 01:10:26] chuvancito : wtf ?
[2016-11-22 01:10:32] wurstgelee : it's escalating a bit now
[2016-11-22 01:12:27] trollboxer : zec you mean?
[2016-11-22 01:15:24] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-22 01:15:42] wurstgelee : anyways, gnight :)
[2016-11-22 01:16:34] laisee : wurstgelee: ciao
[2016-11-22 01:23:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 51 @ 0.009481
[2016-11-22 01:26:25] Dtrade16 : you guys long shitcoins?
[2016-11-22 01:26:27] Dtrade16 : anyone?
[2016-11-22 01:26:28] wurstgelee : X FUCKING XMR
[2016-11-22 01:26:33] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-22 01:26:40] wurstgelee : one x too much
[2016-11-22 01:26:45] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-22 01:26:47] wurstgelee : i did
[2016-11-22 01:26:55] Dtrade16 : only xmr?
[2016-11-22 01:27:03] trollboxer : shitcoins can make more money, because you don't have to lift so much dead weight, like if you tried to pump 12Billion USD of bitcoin price
[2016-11-22 01:27:07] wurstgelee : fct, zec, xrp
[2016-11-22 01:27:29] wurstgelee : also holding dgb, lisk and prob something else
[2016-11-22 01:28:01] wurstgelee : oh right, zec
[2016-11-22 01:28:08] wurstgelee : bought some 72-75
[2016-11-22 01:28:27] wurstgelee : lol xmr
[2016-11-22 01:28:29] wurstgelee : really
[2016-11-22 01:28:33] trollboxer : the price should come up as the contract gets older right, on zec?
[2016-11-22 01:28:40] trollboxer : in 38 days?
[2016-11-22 01:28:54] wurstgelee : it will settle @ polo price on dec 30th
[2016-11-22 01:29:04] trollboxer : its 72 cents on spot and only .38 here
[2016-11-22 01:29:13] trollboxer : move the decimal place
[2016-11-22 01:29:16] wurstgelee : spread will get smaller over time
[2016-11-22 01:30:37] trollboxer : so open interest has to be an even number right? because there's always a buyer and seller of a contract?
[2016-11-22 01:34:00] trollboxer : ETC has 29605 contracts, thats an odd number
[2016-11-22 01:35:02] trollboxer : nevermind, I figured it out
[2016-11-22 01:37:03] mjones : wtf i leave for 35 minutes and zec at 0.038 again
[2016-11-22 01:37:22] mjones : 3748 open contracts now lol. did someone short into everything
[2016-11-22 01:38:07] mjones : battle of the whales.
[2016-11-22 01:38:32] trollboxer : how can you tell if the contracts open is high or low, is there a chart?
[2016-11-22 01:39:16] Dtrade16 : I bought the wrong shitcoin then eth etc
[2016-11-22 01:39:17] Dtrade16 : lool
[2016-11-22 01:40:29] koufeng2016 : who can speak chinese
[2016-11-22 01:40:49] trollboxer : Why is the open interest number different from the orderbook total?
[2016-11-22 01:40:52] trollboxer : hidden orders?
[2016-11-22 01:41:24] Dtrade16 : btc taking a dump on 6h chart
[2016-11-22 01:42:06] jose : trollboxer: open interest is the number of contracts opened on 1 side
[2016-11-22 01:43:35] trollboxer : this says open interest always moves by 2? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_interest
[2016-11-22 01:44:57] trollboxer : I'm stupid, they just used a bad example
[2016-11-22 01:46:47] trollboxer : thanks jose
[2016-11-22 01:51:10] Dtrade16 : Guys any analysis on btc price?
[2016-11-22 01:51:51] Dtrade16 : hearing irs cracking down on coinbase
[2016-11-22 01:52:18] Dtrade16 : Not good. I think that will move the price down a little or a lot even
[2016-11-22 01:52:21] Dtrade16 : ?
[2016-11-22 01:52:38] koufeng2016 : yes
[2016-11-22 01:53:24] mjones : irs just submitted some shit and coinbase will see if they need to obey or not
[2016-11-22 01:54:49] mjones : zec doesnt look good either direction. good luck getting out of a large position
[2016-11-22 01:57:37] rapidtrades : People’s Bank of China sets yuan reference rate at 6.8779 (vs. yesterday at 6.8985)
[2016-11-22 01:58:29] rapidtrades : offshore not buying it yet, still at 6.9030
[2016-11-22 02:02:29] koufeng2016 : why nobody talk about BTC?
[2016-11-22 02:03:55] trollboxer : I say BTC to the moon
[2016-11-22 02:06:53] trollboxer : I don't understand what you mean mjones
[2016-11-22 02:07:05] trollboxer : how can it be bad both directions?
[2016-11-22 02:20:32] mjones : zec pumping
[2016-11-22 02:21:17] mjones : there is little orders showing on zec in both directions. if you got 500 ZEC and need to close it's impossible if price is moving fast
[2016-11-22 02:31:09] mjones : zec up 6% on polo
[2016-11-22 02:58:23] Dtrade16 : wow shitcoin eth actually went up a tad
[2016-11-22 02:58:45] trollboxer : eth moon!
[2016-11-22 03:00:49] mjones : hardfork just happen?
[2016-11-22 03:02:42] mjones : wow eth almost new high
[2016-11-22 03:03:08] mjones : xmr pumping too
[2016-11-22 03:06:53] Dtrade16 : guys does anyone know what breakeven price on polo means?
[2016-11-22 03:07:02] Dtrade16 : seems like a great mystery
[2016-11-22 03:07:35] Dtrade16 : does it include buying and selling fee?
[2016-11-22 03:13:15] mjones : start of new xmr uptrend right now
[2016-11-22 03:15:06] Rado : mjones: a new uptrend?
[2016-11-22 03:15:12] Rado : based on what?
[2016-11-22 03:15:44] mjones : new money according to some people
[2016-11-22 03:16:06] mjones : someone else taking a large position since price is at the bottom
[2016-11-22 03:16:50] Rado : mjones: who is someone
[2016-11-22 03:16:51] mjones : xmr sell side on polo is weak. wont take much to pump xmr
[2016-11-22 03:17:07] mjones : Rado: Iconomi
[2016-11-22 03:17:32] mjones : Coinomi
[2016-11-22 03:17:33] Rado : isn't iconomi based on ETH?
[2016-11-22 03:17:37] mjones : i dunno
[2016-11-22 03:17:44] mjones : just reading some shit in the ethtrader reddit daily thread
[2016-11-22 03:19:12] mjones : xmr http://i.imgur.com/KHEXeZO.png
[2016-11-22 03:19:52] Rado : mjones: looks like it is at resistance
[2016-11-22 03:19:55] Rado : based on this chart
[2016-11-22 03:20:17] mjones : but look at the orderbook on polo for xmr and it looks like it's about to pop to the upside
[2016-11-22 03:20:55] Rado : I guess I am not seeing what you are
[2016-11-22 03:21:01] Rado : looking at the order book
[2016-11-22 03:21:06] Rado : seem balanced on both sides
[2016-11-22 03:21:30] Rado : I think this price is already up and might correct or consolidate
[2016-11-22 03:21:33] mjones : xmr orderbook http://i.imgur.com/cfFBb8H.png
[2016-11-22 03:21:39] Rado : after that it might have another push
[2016-11-22 03:21:58] mjones : 200 BTC to break 0.01
[2016-11-22 03:22:23] Rado : right
[2016-11-22 03:22:38] mjones : 350 btc to break 0.0093
[2016-11-22 03:24:10] mjones : bbands on the 3 day, 6 hour are tight
[2016-11-22 03:25:22] jose : ETH Hard fork in less than 13h, to the moon please !
[2016-11-22 03:25:33] mjones : volume way down too
[2016-11-22 03:30:50] mjones : xmr 0.01
[2016-11-22 03:31:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 60 @ 0.010098
[2016-11-22 03:31:07] Rado : going up on not much volume
[2016-11-22 03:31:08] Rado : as you said
[2016-11-22 03:31:43] mjones : no sellers left. someone was buying up millions of XMR below 0.01
[2016-11-22 03:31:54] mjones : only 13,000,000 XMR total. 1 whale group owns most coins i bet
[2016-11-22 03:33:57] mjones : eth new recent high too
[2016-11-22 03:42:38] mjones : eth market depth on both sides is weak. could get interesting
[2016-11-22 03:43:38] Rado : I think XMR is topping here
[2016-11-22 03:43:47] Rado : very short term timeframe
[2016-11-22 03:44:33] Rado : wow
[2016-11-22 03:44:40] Rado : someone is bidding a lot
[2016-11-22 03:44:42] mjones : both xmr and eth a few hundred BTC and they are off
[2016-11-22 03:44:53] mjones : zec too
[2016-11-22 03:45:01] mjones : and if BTC dumps more. the alts will take off
[2016-11-22 03:45:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 98 @ 0.010657
[2016-11-22 03:47:47] mjones : arg should have fomo xmr 0.0098
[2016-11-22 03:48:19] Rado : yeah
[2016-11-22 03:48:28] chuvancito : REKT: why ?
[2016-11-22 03:49:32] javierstone : btc dumping?
[2016-11-22 03:50:23] mjones : surprised no one has 300 BTC to get ETH started
[2016-11-22 03:56:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.047500
[2016-11-22 03:56:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.047500
[2016-11-22 03:58:55] mjones : zec train starting
[2016-11-22 03:59:11] trollboxer : I thought zec was boring lol
[2016-11-22 03:59:40] mjones : it was till 1800 contracts opened in the 0.04 to 0.07 range or so
[2016-11-22 04:01:42] trollboxer : I bet the reason ZEC is pumping is because the IRS news with coinbase
[2016-11-22 04:02:11] mjones : fuck btc. closed my long at the bottom
[2016-11-22 04:04:53] Rado : ZEC pumping
[2016-11-22 04:04:55] Rado : it's red
[2016-11-22 04:05:00] Rado : that's not pumping
[2016-11-22 04:05:06] Rado : XMR is pumping
[2016-11-22 04:06:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 250 @ 0.010364
[2016-11-22 04:09:16] trollboxer : how could a long get liquidated in xmr when its just gone up 15 percent?
[2016-11-22 04:09:36] mjones : 0.011 to 0.0103 big fall
[2016-11-22 04:09:43] mjones : dont fomo the top
[2016-11-22 04:12:27] mjones : take my eye off xmr and miss a great entry
[2016-11-22 04:16:48] chuvancito : zec analisys ??
[2016-11-22 04:17:04] mjones : stay far away
[2016-11-22 04:18:19] Dtrade16 : is eth done guys?
[2016-11-22 04:18:31] Dtrade16 : hold sell?
[2016-11-22 04:19:04] mjones : hold and see if 0.014 breaks
[2016-11-22 04:20:02] Dtrade16 : usd?
[2016-11-22 04:20:11] Dtrade16 : I'm not selling for btc
[2016-11-22 04:20:18] Dtrade16 : so what is that 10 usd?
[2016-11-22 04:20:37] mjones : damn dunno
[2016-11-22 04:20:57] mjones : still got 11 hours before hardfork so anything can happen
[2016-11-22 04:21:16] Dtrade16 : 10.24 acc to google
[2016-11-22 04:21:18] Dtrade16 : The hardfork is tom?
[2016-11-22 04:21:24] Dtrade16 : Is that why it's up?
[2016-11-22 04:22:33] mjones : it's barely up
[2016-11-22 04:22:43] mjones : could say it went up because btc went down
[2016-11-22 04:22:59] javierstone : people are doing weird stuff with monero
[2016-11-22 04:23:32] javierstone : this reddit post seems fake https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5e8qis/coinomi_xmr_build_release_tomorrow/?st=ivszsf4q&sh=14b21f7b
[2016-11-22 04:23:35] mjones : moonero = highly manipulative
[2016-11-22 04:24:55] javierstone : i fukt myself so bad longing it just now
[2016-11-22 04:25:02] javierstone : so shameful on my part
[2016-11-22 04:25:04] Dtrade16 : it's up 3-4 % that's a lot
[2016-11-22 04:25:26] javierstone : markets are crazy right now
[2016-11-22 04:25:47] mjones : for ETH i suppose
[2016-11-22 04:26:22] mjones : but after falling so much i'd expect bigger move upwards
[2016-11-22 04:26:37] javierstone : ya i was tempted to buy some again
[2016-11-22 04:26:57] mjones : eth 0.024 to 0.0123 and a bounce to 0.0133
[2016-11-22 04:33:28] XXXX : I hope you peeps shorting zec have enough margin. I would hate to get adled for a meager 100% profit.
[2016-11-22 04:33:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 495000 @ 0.00000991
[2016-11-22 04:36:31] trollboxer : xxxx do you think zec is going to go up or down?
[2016-11-22 04:37:45] trollboxer : I don't know what adled means
[2016-11-22 04:38:12] XXXX : trollboxer: of course up. Investors paid $15 for each zec. Bitcoin was 300 usd that time. So in btc terms 0.04 btc per zec is what roger ver et.al. paid.
[2016-11-22 04:39:02] chuvancito : XXXX: but, you are talking in a long term, rigth ?
[2016-11-22 04:39:40] XXXX : trollboxer: adled means. If you short at 0.04 and only have funds to cover your shorts till 0.08 then i or someone else who is long have to force close it so that your balance does not go negative.
[2016-11-22 04:39:44] chuvancito : i think he is asking for a short term forecast
[2016-11-22 04:40:08] trollboxer : I get it.
[2016-11-22 04:40:22] XXXX : chuvancito: i am talking 1 month timeframe.
[2016-11-22 04:44:56] trollboxer : What happens if eth fork goes bad, will people still be able to close their longs here? or will the slippage cause no one to get paid?
[2016-11-22 04:47:38] trollboxer : Maybe they'll just be another ETH classic, like an ethclassic 2?
[2016-11-22 04:47:51] trollboxer : so 3 eths if fork doesn't work right?
[2016-11-22 04:48:23] XXXX : trollboxer: eth is good in terms of liquidity so as long as you are not expecting very tight spreads you should be fine. i mean expect +- 5% variance from poloniex price.
[2016-11-22 04:49:22] trollboxer : thanks xxxx
[2016-11-22 04:55:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 12 @ 737.96
[2016-11-22 05:01:40] rapidtrades : is ETH rly doing another hard fork?
[2016-11-22 05:01:50] rapidtrades : this is getting ridiculous
[2016-11-22 05:02:39] Dtrade16 : eth pump over looks like
[2016-11-22 05:05:21] jose : rapidtrades: yes in 12h ETH is going to fork again to stop the attack
[2016-11-22 05:09:18] rapidtrades : quite a large gap onshore/offshore today
[2016-11-22 05:09:33] rapidtrades : offshore ain't buying what PBOC is selling
[2016-11-22 05:14:18] rms : eth is really doing another hard fork
[2016-11-22 05:14:31] rms : what's one more at this point?
[2016-11-22 05:14:37] jose : https://fork.codetract.io/
[2016-11-22 05:16:41] rapidtrades : sleger: your boy Vitalik is doing another fork...comments?
[2016-11-22 05:18:26] werral : eth will hf until it has reached its final form
[2016-11-22 05:18:52] rapidtrades : a pile of shit?
[2016-11-22 05:18:54] trollboxer : hf?
[2016-11-22 05:19:49] jose : trollboxer: have fun
[2016-11-22 05:21:05] trollboxer : what have been the most epic liquidations that have happened on here?
[2016-11-22 05:22:18] jose : trollboxer: on XBT 3 month futures contracts, it can go to the moon or to the ground
[2016-11-22 05:22:28] jose : trollboxer: or ZEC at launch
[2016-11-22 05:22:59] trollboxer : how much money did people lose in zec?
[2016-11-22 05:23:32] jose : 1 contract was 2.5 BTC
[2016-11-22 05:23:47] trollboxer : how many contracts did people take out?'
[2016-11-22 05:24:33] jose : not so many, but on XBTUSD i have seen half a million beeing liquidated
[2016-11-22 05:24:44] trollboxer : ouch
[2016-11-22 05:28:42] Dtrade16 : how does eth react to these hard forks?
[2016-11-22 05:28:48] Dtrade16 : Obviously the price goes up right?
[2016-11-22 05:34:24] jose : Dtrade16: in theory
[2016-11-22 05:39:29] Dtrade16 : ok
[2016-11-22 05:40:53] rms : eth is trading at about as low as it has been since it started its rise
[2016-11-22 05:41:27] rms : for you to think it will go much lower, i think you need to think it's hopeless, but there's a lot of resistance around .012 which was the bottom of the crash after the DAO hack
[2016-11-22 05:59:13] zanza : Bitmex you should program a GUI market marker interface directly into the site, would be very cool
[2016-11-22 05:59:30] zanza : for people who want to setup custom MM strategies, but don't know python or scripting language
[2016-11-22 06:21:27] zanza : maybe it could even be a paid / subscription service
[2016-11-22 06:22:45] Rado : zanza: not going to happen
[2016-11-22 06:22:56] zanza : thanks Arthur
[2016-11-22 06:24:52] wurstgelee : gday trollbox
[2016-11-22 06:25:01] trollboxer : why does huge volume appear and then disspear from the orderbook far enough from the recent trades that it doesn't get hit?
[2016-11-22 06:25:03] wurstgelee : also thank you xmr :)
[2016-11-22 06:40:35] Rado : wurstgelee: nice buy on XMR
[2016-11-22 06:41:04] wurstgelee : thanks. :) went even a lot better than expected
[2016-11-22 06:41:40] wurstgelee : *as in: didnt expect to close @ ~ .011 while sleeping
[2016-11-22 06:41:51] Rado : Did you sell?
[2016-11-22 06:41:58] Rado : Oh
[2016-11-22 06:42:02] Rado : Cool
[2016-11-22 06:42:20] wurstgelee : hoping for a little, low-volume retrace to restock
[2016-11-22 06:44:46] Rado : What price are you thinking?
[2016-11-22 06:45:40] wurstgelee : mids 90s somewhere iif i am lucky
[2016-11-22 06:45:44] wurstgelee : *-s
[2016-11-22 06:46:07] wurstgelee : will start to rebuy some below .01 i guess
[2016-11-22 06:49:04] wurstgelee : some buys are set, bbl
[2016-11-22 07:44:14] billyboy402 : i just got a pay out , that was early , has the withdraw time change ?
[2016-11-22 07:50:04] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: No, we just did an early payout for a whale
[2016-11-22 07:50:15] BitMEX_Wally : Next payout will be at 13:00 UTC as usual
[2016-11-22 07:50:31] billyboy402 : thanks i appreciate the service
[2016-11-22 07:53:05] BitMEX_Wally : Although, anyone who puts a 0.0003 fee or less might have to wait a few days for their withdrawal transaction to go into a block
[2016-11-22 07:53:17] BitMEX_Wally : Mempool is at 20 megabytes: https://bitcoinfees.github.io
[2016-11-22 07:53:53] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Wally: do you use sendmany to make a single payout ?
[2016-11-22 07:54:22] BitMEX_Wally : Apocalyptic: No, at the moment each withdrawal is a separate transaction
[2016-11-22 08:07:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.009967
[2016-11-22 08:20:13] chaunceylee : Does Zec still has Limit Up / Limit down?
[2016-11-22 08:34:21] wurstgelee : chaunceylee: no
[2016-11-22 08:35:05] chaunceylee : from when
[2016-11-22 08:35:50] wurstgelee : this question?
[2016-11-22 08:36:30] chaunceylee : yean, when the limits were cancled
[2016-11-22 08:37:08] wurstgelee : read the latest annoucnements. its somehwere there
[2016-11-22 08:37:40] wurstgelee : end of october i guess
[2016-11-22 08:38:36] chaunceylee : tks, lookking for relative post
[2016-11-22 08:39:09] chaunceylee : related
[2016-11-22 08:42:47] chaunceylee : Important Changes to Zcash Futures Fair Price Marking November 2, 11:15 PM Effective Friday 4th November 12:00 UTC, the December Zcash Futures Contract, ZECZ16, will move from Last Price marking to Fair Price marking. The Index Price will reference the spot ZEC/BTC Poloniex price.
[2016-11-22 08:42:52] chaunceylee : found
[2016-11-22 08:49:12] Bacon futures trader : zec going to 0.07
[2016-11-22 08:54:57] chaunceylee : zec z16 is near 0.039
[2016-11-22 08:55:16] chaunceylee : who knows why always half of the zec price
[2016-11-22 08:55:37] chaunceylee : how does that happen
[2016-11-22 08:56:25] chaunceylee : Bacon futures trader: do you know why
[2016-11-22 09:01:08] wurstgelee : die btc
[2016-11-22 09:04:16] shery : wurstgelee: you shorted?
[2016-11-22 09:09:46] wurstgelee : nope, longed alts
[2016-11-22 09:16:25] anonymous789 : such boring action on btc
[2016-11-22 09:22:36] chaunceylee : volume = 9 n/a， what does n/a mean
[2016-11-22 09:26:40] BitMEX_Wally : N/A usually means Not Available. Where are you seeing this?
[2016-11-22 09:27:00] chaunceylee : chart
[2016-11-22 09:27:21] chaunceylee : below Open price, Hgh ,low and close
[2016-11-22 09:27:40] chaunceylee : volume =9 n/a
[2016-11-22 09:27:55] chaunceylee : for example volume=9 n/a
[2016-11-22 09:29:01] chaunceylee : click + , and i can see volume
[2016-11-22 09:29:33] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, this trading library is from Trading View so I am not sure what it means
[2016-11-22 09:29:40] BitMEX_Wally : The volume quoted is in number of contracts and that looks correct
[2016-11-22 09:30:15] chaunceylee : n/a means number of contracts ?
[2016-11-22 09:30:30] BitMEX_Wally : volume 9 means 9 contracts traded
[2016-11-22 09:30:44] BitMEX_Wally : In that candle
[2016-11-22 09:31:17] chaunceylee : and /a means ?
[2016-11-22 09:31:18] BitMEX_Wally : The `N/A` is probably meant to show a currency code, but there is no currency code for 'contracts'
[2016-11-22 09:31:34] BitMEX_Wally : Hence 'not available'
[2016-11-22 09:31:39] chaunceylee : ao , i see
[2016-11-22 09:32:26] chaunceylee : there may be an error here: in zec guide part
[2016-11-22 09:32:37] chaunceylee : https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/ZEC
[2016-11-22 09:32:46] chaunceylee : chinese version
[2016-11-22 09:33:22] BitMEX_Wally : chaunceylee: I'll get my Chinese colleagues to have a look. What's the error?
[2016-11-22 09:33:29] chaunceylee : 由于目前 ZEC 没有一个流动的现货市场，该合约的标记方法采用最新成交价格。 为了防止市场操纵，ZEC 合约将有涨停／跌停价格。 涨停跌停价格是前一个收盘价涨跌25%的价格。 例如，如果收盘价是0.100，涨停价将是 0.123，跌停价将是 0.075。
[2016-11-22 09:33:42] chaunceylee : 涨停价将是 0.123
[2016-11-22 09:33:58] chaunceylee : it should be 0.125, not 0.123
[2016-11-22 09:34:18] chaunceylee : a small error
[2016-11-22 09:34:50] chaunceylee : The Limit Up / Limit Down is set at a price equal to one maintenance margin (25%) away from the Last Price. For instance, if the Last Price were 0.100, the Limit Up would be 0.125 and the Limit Down would be 0.075.
[2016-11-22 09:35:01] chaunceylee : this is right version
[2016-11-22 09:35:30] BitMEX_Jinming : chaunceylee:不好意思，这是翻译错误，我们会尽快改正，谢谢。
[2016-11-22 09:36:25] chaunceylee : 小笔误而已！碰巧看到了
[2016-11-22 09:37:06] BitMEX_Jinming : chaunceylee: 另外，该合约目前已经没有涨跌限制了，我们会尽快更新文档。
[2016-11-22 09:37:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.010478
[2016-11-22 09:37:36] chaunceylee : BitMEX_Jinming: 辛苦了
[2016-11-22 09:37:52] BitMEX_Jinming : chaunceylee: :)
[2016-11-22 09:38:03] chaunceylee : thanks ,too
[2016-11-22 09:45:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 4100 @ 754.87
[2016-11-22 09:50:07] wurstgelee : zec bouncing
[2016-11-22 09:50:30] wurstgelee : @ Apocalyptic: thats why i bought. since u asked ;)
[2016-11-22 10:13:03] wurstgelee : zec to 1 btc! oO
[2016-11-22 10:24:41] DareDevil : ETH major dump incomming?
[2016-11-22 10:29:53] wurstgelee : first ZEC shrots rekt soon
[2016-11-22 10:29:57] wurstgelee : *shorts
[2016-11-22 10:33:43] thomaskikansha : bots buying zec? some volume kicking in
[2016-11-22 10:39:31] DareDevil : there goes ETH
[2016-11-22 10:42:31] wurstgelee : nope, it doesnt
[2016-11-22 10:42:38] wurstgelee : going down on no volume. its likely a dip
[2016-11-22 11:08:40] rms : huge hidden zec sell order is gone now
[2016-11-22 11:08:50] rms : so it can start going up to catch up to the spot increase
[2016-11-22 11:08:57] Mm bot : Not sure about this ZEC marking logic here
[2016-11-22 11:12:29] lopol : ZEC inflation is still imcreasing
[2016-11-22 11:12:43] lopol : Only a fool would long now
[2016-11-22 11:13:39] habibi : lopol: tell me better where is ur short liquidation target
[2016-11-22 11:14:07] lopol : What?
[2016-11-22 11:14:08] wurstgelee : habibi: :D :D :D
[2016-11-22 11:14:34] wurstgelee : lopol: translated: how many contracts did u short and wehre is ur liquidation price?
[2016-11-22 11:14:49] rms : .04 on the BTC is what the zcash investors effectively paid, so that price is a real resistance for the futures market
[2016-11-22 11:15:14] mjones : wow more zec contracts open and price doesnt move much
[2016-11-22 11:15:25] lopol : I have been shorting since beginning and made 10 btc profit
[2016-11-22 11:15:37] wurstgelee : rms: so .04 btc is $15 dollar now?
[2016-11-22 11:15:40] lopol : Never been so easy money than shorting ZEC
[2016-11-22 11:16:13] wurstgelee : lopol: go on, 213 bids available @ 44
[2016-11-22 11:16:18] wurstgelee : easy money
[2016-11-22 11:16:30] lopol : It is
[2016-11-22 11:16:36] wurstgelee : go on, short then
[2016-11-22 11:16:40] thomaskikansha : 0.1 inc
[2016-11-22 11:16:47] lopol : You don't understand?
[2016-11-22 11:17:01] wurstgelee : lopol: i do. i just didnt read. :p
[2016-11-22 11:17:06] lopol : I have been shorting since zec launched
[2016-11-22 11:17:09] wurstgelee : yep ;)
[2016-11-22 11:17:34] wurstgelee : and i have been longing since weeks prior to launch
[2016-11-22 11:18:45] lopol : Stupid people suffer from losses
[2016-11-22 11:19:34] wurstgelee : they probably do. i don't .
[2016-11-22 11:21:24] rms : no one eating into that zec buy wall...
[2016-11-22 11:21:28] rms : easy money, right? :D
[2016-11-22 11:22:31] rms : or someone did and it got pulled
[2016-11-22 11:22:43] thomaskikansha : there it goes
[2016-11-22 11:22:52] habibi : Anyway some real math - i guess 360k at the day of 31 dec, at price of 0.01 btc - cap@3600 btc. Way too little. At 0.05 cap@18 000 btc. At 0.1 btc - 36 000 btc maybe a little too much
[2016-11-22 11:23:06] thomaskikansha : 100 sell
[2016-11-22 11:30:43] lopol : Realistic market cap in 31 Dec is 5 million so price is below 0.03
[2016-11-22 11:30:59] habibi : lopol: so u shorted the bottom :D
[2016-11-22 11:32:03] lopol : I shorted from 0.5 if you think that was bottom you are pretty stupid ?
[2016-11-22 11:32:21] habibi : :( ouch
[2016-11-22 11:33:53] lopol : When this pump bursts price will be below 0.07 in Polo today
[2016-11-22 11:36:13] wurstgelee : habibi: your math. i did the same ;)
[2016-11-22 11:38:20] XXXX : Zec will not reach 0.05 on polo before 30 dec
[2016-11-22 11:45:40] wurstgelee : are u saying it will stay above?
[2016-11-22 11:45:51] wurstgelee : or it will be less than .05
[2016-11-22 11:45:52] wurstgelee : ?
[2016-11-22 12:01:21] Bacon futures trader : This is liquidation season boys
[2016-11-22 12:38:27] sharp : bitmex support here?
[2016-11-22 12:44:52] BitMEX_Jinming : sharp: Hello
[2016-11-22 12:45:32] sharp : BitMEX_Jinming: my btc withd. issue.. 12h waiting.. :/
[2016-11-22 12:46:30] sharp : wanted to play something..but this is terrible.. eh
[2016-11-22 12:46:55] BitMEX_Jinming : sharp: when did you submit the request? note that the bitcoin network is very busy at the moment.
[2016-11-22 12:47:16] iefken : my withdrawel is only due in 13 minutes :p
[2016-11-22 12:47:32] iefken : isnt it send in a batch?
[2016-11-22 12:47:48] sharp : BitMEX_Jinming: I recieved the mail.. but nothing happened.. around 12hrs.. :/
[2016-11-22 12:48:24] BitMEX_Jinming : sharp: we process all withdrawal requests once a day at 13 UTC which is in 12 minutes.
[2016-11-22 12:50:29] sharp : sent 10-12 hrs ago.. I dunno ..ok
[2016-11-22 12:52:08] BitMEX_Jinming : sharp: `https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq#When-are-Bitcoin-withdrawals-processed`
[2016-11-22 12:53:33] sharp : ok thanks..
[2016-11-22 13:09:13] BitMEX_Wally : sharp: Are you talking about a withdrawal or a deposit? I do not see any withdrawal request from your account for 2 weeks
[2016-11-22 13:09:36] sharp : damn sorry .. deposit.. my bad..
[2016-11-22 13:10:11] sharp : BitMEX_Wally:
[2016-11-22 13:10:33] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, I see 2 pending deposits, they are still unconfirmed by the Bitcoin network
[2016-11-22 13:11:39] y1uy : BitMEX_Wally: for some reason it says that my withdrawal was completed, BUT when i check recepient address i didnt receive anything
[2016-11-22 13:14:04] BitMEX_Wally : y1uy: You just got an email?
[2016-11-22 13:14:42] y1uy : BitMEX_Wally: yes
[2016-11-22 13:14:46] mjones : 40,000 transactions backlog right now
[2016-11-22 13:15:08] y1uy : BitMEX_Wally: nvm, i think i found the issue
[2016-11-22 13:15:46] y1uy : BitMEX_Wally: all good
[2016-11-22 13:16:08] BitMEX_Wally : y1uy: Cool
[2016-11-22 13:17:34] BitMEX_Wally : sharp: Unfortunately it looks like a very low fee (12000 Satoshi per kilobyte) was attached to your transactions so it might take a while for the Bitcoin network to confirm them. Once it gets one confirmation it will be credited to your account.
[2016-11-22 13:27:55] rapidtrades : mjones: yeah it's shit
[2016-11-22 13:28:08] mjones : indeed
[2016-11-22 13:28:14] rapidtrades : pure manure
[2016-11-22 13:29:25] mjones : nice eth market buy
[2016-11-22 13:29:38] rapidtrades : tnx i meant to do that
[2016-11-22 13:30:13] mjones : hardfork pump almost here
[2016-11-22 13:34:41] wurstgelee : mjones: i am long :p
[2016-11-22 13:35:08] dasdfasdf : target?