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[2016-11-17 16:33:45] arbitrage001 : and will profit nicely if you are right
[2016-11-17 16:33:55] arbitrage001 : no point adding more risk
[2016-11-17 16:34:03] wurstgelee : i'll do great if we get a proper squeeze
[2016-11-17 16:34:09] wurstgelee : and i'll not die if we wont
[2016-11-17 16:34:10] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-17 16:42:15] wurstgelee : USD CHF parity :p
[2016-11-17 16:48:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2110 @ 745.79
[2016-11-17 16:49:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7000 @ 744.45
[2016-11-17 16:49:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 750 @ 744.62
[2016-11-17 16:49:35] wurstgelee : lol wtf stamp...
[2016-11-17 16:49:38] wurstgelee : seriously
[2016-11-17 16:50:08] wurstgelee : $5 dump on 10 btc volume...
[2016-11-17 16:50:38] mjones : Lol no one trades on stamp
[2016-11-17 16:50:44] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-17 16:50:46] mjones : Horrible exchange to pick
[2016-11-17 16:50:48] wurstgelee : but our index is half stamp
[2016-11-17 16:50:49] arbitrage001 : think it will die soon
[2016-11-17 16:50:50] wurstgelee : :/
[2016-11-17 16:51:00] arbitrage001 : what is the volume on stamp?
[2016-11-17 16:51:06] wurstgelee : close to none
[2016-11-17 16:51:08] arbitrage001 : european trade on kraken?
[2016-11-17 16:51:18] lockhedge : 9200 btc on btcusd
[2016-11-17 16:51:21] wurstgelee : our index just dropped $3 because someone sold 10 btc on stamp....
[2016-11-17 16:51:21] arbitrage001 : or european dont know what btc is?
[2016-11-17 16:51:24] Apocalyptic : abyssimal
[2016-11-17 16:52:25] sleger : having bitstamp but not finex is pretty funny
[2016-11-17 16:52:29] habibi : yep, index should be definitely changed
[2016-11-17 16:52:43] wurstgelee : its a joke currently ;)
[2016-11-17 16:52:47] sleger : actually it is better like that, easy to make money of how dumb it is
[2016-11-17 16:53:02] arbitrage001 : sleger: sheeeh
[2016-11-17 16:53:06] wurstgelee : china moves 100 cny, stamp does nothing. china does nothing, stamp dumps $4
[2016-11-17 16:53:07] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-17 16:53:07] arbitrage001 : dont spill the bean
[2016-11-17 16:53:09] thomaskikansha : that depth on stamp
[2016-11-17 16:53:25] habibi : sleger: way easier using okc usd and stamp to mapiluate index, @night 20 btc buy on okc usd pushed price there up 6 dollars, stamp is pretty same liquidity
[2016-11-17 16:54:21] lockhedge : problem about bitstamp is mainly the spread (volume is higher than okc usd). could be solved by using a weighted mid price instead of last price for the index
[2016-11-17 16:54:42] wurstgelee : id like to trade contracts marked 50% hu0bi and 50% okc tbh
[2016-11-17 16:55:29] arbitrage001 : doesnt matter how the index is compose
[2016-11-17 16:55:43] arbitrage001 : someone will always figure out another way to game the system
[2016-11-17 16:56:16] wurstgelee : using a high volume index is cleary better than a low volume index, right?
[2016-11-17 16:56:22] habibi : what matters is u can gather from time to time few hundred btc position here and sell/buy few btc to move index for few dollars
[2016-11-17 16:56:25] arbitrage001 : of course
[2016-11-17 16:56:36] wurstgelee : habibi: that
[2016-11-17 16:57:15] arbitrage001 : but bitmex cant use any of the rmb exchange
[2016-11-17 16:57:23] arbitrage001 : since the currency is blocked
[2016-11-17 16:57:38] arbitrage001 : indexing using them would be meaningless
[2016-11-17 16:58:00] wurstgelee : we could trade XBTCNY here tho, right? ;)
[2016-11-17 16:58:25] lockhedge : habibi: that's why the index should follow a weighted mid price of the order books, not the last price
[2016-11-17 16:58:30] arbitrage001 : sound like bitmex is marketing toward the china audience
[2016-11-17 16:58:33] arbitrage001 : might eventually
[2016-11-17 17:00:25] j8 : arbitrage001: giving worldwide access to an isolated market is also an argument for doing it
[2016-11-17 17:01:10] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-17 17:03:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 550 @ 744.24
[2016-11-17 17:03:30] mjones : margin calling people again
[2016-11-17 17:05:56] wurstgelee : bought some
[2016-11-17 17:06:01] wurstgelee : good spot for a gamble ;)
[2016-11-17 17:23:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 345 @ 0.009214
[2016-11-17 17:29:46] y1uy : guys
[2016-11-17 17:29:50] y1uy : sell me some cheap btc
[2016-11-17 17:29:51] y1uy : :(
[2016-11-17 17:30:28] y1uy : https://i.imgflip.com/16umht.jpg
[2016-11-17 17:38:46] martinium : they really do need to change the index
[2016-11-17 17:39:03] martinium : bitstamp is low volume
[2016-11-17 17:39:09] martinium : as others here have already said
[2016-11-17 17:39:20] martinium : bitfinex needs to be added back as they are still around
[2016-11-17 17:40:06] sleger : that spike only brought us a 1% in funding fee, shame... doesnt make a lot of sense to be short the swap anymore here
[2016-11-17 17:40:27] martinium : I still don't get why pricing from GDAX isn't added. They serve US and Europe customers. Their volume matters
[2016-11-17 17:51:53] napoleon : why can't i just short future
[2016-11-17 17:51:56] napoleon : and long spot
[2016-11-17 17:51:57] napoleon : to make money
[2016-11-17 17:51:59] napoleon : plz explain
[2016-11-17 17:53:27] wurstgelee : why can't you place money on red and black? and always win?
[2016-11-17 17:53:36] wurstgelee : please explain
[2016-11-17 17:55:06] napoleon : seriously though
[2016-11-17 17:55:09] napoleon : sorry i am new
[2016-11-17 17:55:13] napoleon : still reading through everything
[2016-11-17 17:55:21] napoleon : is it accounted for in borrow cost on short future?
[2016-11-17 17:55:46] wurstgelee : there are no borrow costs but there is funding
[2016-11-17 17:56:00] wurstgelee : u dont trade actual coins here so u dont need to borrow
[2016-11-17 17:56:02] napoleon : does the funding fee account for the spread between future and spot
[2016-11-17 17:56:06] napoleon : got it
[2016-11-17 17:56:19] napoleon : so the funding rate accounts for the delta between spot and future
[2016-11-17 17:56:38] wurstgelee : funding is the tool of choice to push the market back to spot if we trade too high or too low here
[2016-11-17 17:57:19] wurstgelee : postive funding=longs pay, negative funding=shorts pay
[2016-11-17 17:57:31] wurstgelee : *i
[2016-11-17 17:57:44] napoleon : is this in a way just extension of interest parity?
[2016-11-17 17:57:50] napoleon : just for bitcoin?
[2016-11-17 17:58:23] wurstgelee : i dont understand your question
[2016-11-17 17:59:00] napoleon : sorry, i mean is the funding rate lead to existence of covered interest rate parity
[2016-11-17 17:59:20] napoleon : like what would generally happen with regular currencies
[2016-11-17 18:00:22] napoleon : actually wait think i understand, never mind
[2016-11-17 18:00:27] j8 : napoleon: yes the swap funding is supposed to reflect the floating difference in lending rates
[2016-11-17 18:01:18] martinium : j8: based on the index that only has 2 exchanges at present...
[2016-11-17 18:03:30] napoleon : ok so a potential trading strategy would be to mean revert the floating rate
[2016-11-17 18:04:01] wurstgelee : 5300 again
[2016-11-17 18:18:21] mjones : china orderbook is all fluff. can go either way with ease
[2016-11-17 18:18:54] wurstgelee : yep, closing everything atm =)
[2016-11-17 18:19:17] wurstgelee : well, almost. i'll keep a really small long
[2016-11-17 18:21:38] mjones : word. just chopping around the same price. just gonna wait it out
[2016-11-17 18:36:45] wurstgelee : so who is shorting zec here/closing longs? ;)
[2016-11-17 18:37:55] mjones : zec barely moves here. aint touching that
[2016-11-17 18:38:13] mjones : china dumping some more corn
[2016-11-17 18:39:26] habibi : yep china spot swings almost 9 dollars, no move here :(
[2016-11-17 18:39:37] wurstgelee : annoying
[2016-11-17 18:39:40] wurstgelee : fu stamp
[2016-11-17 18:41:55] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-17 18:41:59] wurstgelee : zec
[2016-11-17 18:42:05] wurstgelee : someone just flashed 700 orders
[2016-11-17 18:42:11] wurstgelee : sell side
[2016-11-17 18:42:56] zcashequalslambo : im going to jump in at 0.1 o nzec
[2016-11-17 18:43:01] zcashequalslambo : after rebound on polo
[2016-11-17 18:44:31] rapidtrades : f*ck ZEC that POS coin
[2016-11-17 18:45:17] mjones : someone flashed 700 ZEC sell wall on polo?
[2016-11-17 18:45:21] wurstgelee : here
[2016-11-17 18:45:25] mjones : o
[2016-11-17 18:45:26] wurstgelee : @ .07
[2016-11-17 18:45:41] mjones : that shitcoin doesnt even move on here.
[2016-11-17 18:46:19] wurstgelee : why would it?
[2016-11-17 18:46:33] wurstgelee : plenty of time till dec 30 and zec isnt moving much on polo iether
[2016-11-17 18:46:35] wurstgelee : *either
[2016-11-17 18:46:45] Apocalyptic : isn't moving much ?
[2016-11-17 18:46:52] Apocalyptic : it's dropping ~20%/day
[2016-11-17 18:46:55] wurstgelee : well its dumping...like all alts
[2016-11-17 18:46:55] Apocalyptic : every single day
[2016-11-17 18:47:12] mjones : zec is collapsing to match bitmex price i guess
[2016-11-17 18:47:18] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-17 18:47:20] mjones : if zec goes lower than here i wonder if bitmex follows
[2016-11-17 18:47:57] rapidtrades : ofc it's gonna follow
[2016-11-17 18:48:13] rapidtrades : it only follows it down here after capmex broke the market
[2016-11-17 18:48:22] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-17 18:48:27] wurstgelee : still salty
[2016-11-17 19:22:23] amirmass : btc 890$ on india
[2016-11-17 19:22:24] amirmass : moon time
[2016-11-17 19:23:52] sleger : OMG he is back
[2016-11-17 19:24:05] sleger : do you have children this time or not ?
[2016-11-17 19:24:13] Apocalyptic : amirmass: where can I see that?
[2016-11-17 19:24:29] amirmass : https://btcxindia.com/live-market/
[2016-11-17 19:30:01] Dtrade16 : Why such a premium on that exchange? Can't they get btc elsewhere?
[2016-11-17 19:30:19] martinium : they have to make money some how
[2016-11-17 19:30:24] martinium : bitcoin is rare in india
[2016-11-17 19:30:46] Apocalyptic : clearly not a frictionless market
[2016-11-17 19:31:56] Dtrade16 : Have we already priced this in?
[2016-11-17 19:32:04] Dtrade16 : The pump is over right?
[2016-11-17 19:33:08] arbitrage001 : india banned cash
[2016-11-17 19:33:17] arbitrage001 : 100 dollars bill
[2016-11-17 19:33:34] Dtrade16 : Yeah I heard
[2016-11-17 19:33:36] arbitrage001 : only way for criminal to deal now is use btc
[2016-11-17 19:33:45] Dtrade16 : How?
[2016-11-17 19:33:50] Dtrade16 : They can use other notes
[2016-11-17 19:34:02] Dtrade16 : and they can also exchange the notes
[2016-11-17 19:34:09] arbitrage001 : 500 M in cash? using 5 dollars bill?
[2016-11-17 19:34:46] Dtrade16 : What else are they going to do?
[2016-11-17 19:34:56] Dtrade16 : What can they buy w btc?
[2016-11-17 19:35:14] arbitrage001 : just saying india doing something stupid
[2016-11-17 19:35:32] arbitrage001 : to ban corruption, someone comeup with banning large note
[2016-11-17 19:36:09] Dtrade16 : Yah that's not the greatest plan
[2016-11-17 19:38:25] Rado : now they can use dimonds
[2016-11-17 19:38:42] arbitrage001 : diamond have no re-sell value
[2016-11-17 19:39:11] Rado : you are kidding right
[2016-11-17 19:39:17] arbitrage001 : i am not
[2016-11-17 19:39:23] mjones : india is actually creating new notes to replace the old
[2016-11-17 19:39:24] Rado : in North America you can sell it for the exact price you bought
[2016-11-17 19:39:43] arbitrage001 : are you sure?
[2016-11-17 19:39:44] mjones : but they won't be worth the same
[2016-11-17 19:39:51] mjones : that's what i read on the internet
[2016-11-17 19:41:23] AudibleScience : Sam, are you here?
[2016-11-17 19:43:14] AudibleScience : There is something really weird going on with the browser notifications appearing ages after the action that triggered it... like really a long time...
[2016-11-17 19:43:38] AudibleScience : I noticed this happening yesterday too.
[2016-11-17 19:45:48] BitMEX_Greg : AudibleScience: Hi
[2016-11-17 19:46:06] BitMEX_Greg : What kind of delay are you seeing?
[2016-11-17 19:46:20] BitMEX_Greg : Do you mind sending us a support ticket? I will forward to Sam
[2016-11-17 19:46:29] AudibleScience : like massive man!
[2016-11-17 19:47:24] AudibleScience : I just saw one a moment ago for a 20k contract order that was in the book let me see exactly when for you...
[2016-11-17 19:47:52] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks, send us the info in a support ticket so we can get the info together
[2016-11-17 19:48:45] AudibleScience : It's not that much of a problem for me, but It could be very confusing, especially for new users.
[2016-11-17 19:49:44] BitMEX_Greg : I'll get sam to have a check when he's online
[2016-11-17 19:49:57] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Greg: The order I just saw a notification for was actually in the book at 2016-11-17 17:29:31 my time... and it is now: 19:50 my time...
[2016-11-17 19:50:33] BitMEX_Greg : Odd
[2016-11-17 19:50:51] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks for the information
[2016-11-17 19:51:16] AudibleScience : No problem at all.
[2016-11-17 19:51:44] AudibleScience : Glad to help.
[2016-11-17 19:51:56] BitMEX_Greg : What version browser do you have btw?
[2016-11-17 19:53:05] AudibleScience : Chrome ver 54.0.2840.71 m
[2016-11-17 19:53:36] BitMEX_Greg : Cheers
[2016-11-17 19:59:49] BitMEX_Sam : Hey AudibleScience - that's actually a Chrome bug, at least in the iterations that I've seen it
[2016-11-17 20:00:11] BitMEX_Sam : Essentially if you keep notifications unacknowledged for a long time, or the browser/tab idle, it can do that
[2016-11-17 20:00:54] BitMEX_Sam : Were you active on the site and this notification just popped up way late, or were you idle/browsing other tabs then came back to it?
[2016-11-17 21:00:17] martinium : sleger: did you code your bots yourself?
[2016-11-17 21:01:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 490 @ 743.04
[2016-11-17 21:02:07] sleger : martinium: yes
[2016-11-17 21:30:18] qcqc : Let's say I short 1 BTC at 100x (100 BTC) with the 0.1242% interest rate. Does the interest rate apply on the 1 BTC or the 100 BTC ?
[2016-11-17 21:31:02] sleger : let's say 100btc
[2016-11-17 21:31:38] Zen Trader : The surge in bitcoin price was seen to be spurred by the influx of funds from Chinese investors as the government took fresh efforts to devalue the yuan.
[2016-11-17 21:36:16] QuantFocus : sleger: lol
[2016-11-17 21:39:53] mjones : 0kcoin settlement coming up. wonder if we'll get some movement.
[2016-11-17 21:40:42] mjones : xmr bouncing like crazy. anyone making money?
[2016-11-17 21:40:43] martinium : expect a drop
[2016-11-17 21:40:59] mjones : thinking drop too
[2016-11-17 21:41:24] mjones : waiting for usd to hit new highs before $800
[2016-11-17 21:41:35] martinium : sitting at this resistance
[2016-11-17 21:41:39] martinium : alllll dayyyyy
[2016-11-17 21:59:45] qcqc : How long do you have to hold a position to get the interest rates?
[2016-11-17 22:16:21] habibi : qcqc: at least 1 ms before funding
[2016-11-17 22:20:22] QuantFocus : starting to see some weakness in the quarterly
[2016-11-17 22:24:24] miramm1115 : $50 premium is still a lot
[2016-11-17 22:34:24] QuantFocus : miramm1115: agreed, but it's breaking down
[2016-11-17 22:40:30] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Arthur: another great read on the Digest this week
[2016-11-17 22:44:04] mjones : rofl xbtz16
[2016-11-17 22:44:12] mjones : new low so soon
[2016-11-17 22:44:24] miramm1115 : going to summon rekt
[2016-11-17 22:44:30] miramm1115 : rekt rekt rekt
[2016-11-17 22:44:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1498 @ 737.13
[2016-11-17 22:44:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1020 @ 736.70
[2016-11-17 22:44:59] miramm1115 : ^^^ it works!
[2016-11-17 22:45:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 20 @ 0.013580
[2016-11-17 22:45:49] mjones : wish i was in a position but nope. now i wait
[2016-11-17 22:51:24] Rado : miramm1115: lol
[2016-11-17 22:55:54] QuantFocus : miramm1115: can you summon moar pls
[2016-11-17 22:56:41] mjones : lets see how many dip buyers bitfinex has
[2016-11-17 22:58:45] mjones : bitfinex possible bottom http://i.imgur.com/vKhR6XB.png
[2016-11-17 23:00:49] mjones : 0kcoin bottom http://i.imgur.com/GMAMPHt.png
[2016-11-17 23:03:09] Rado : mjones: nice charts
[2016-11-17 23:03:18] Rado : based on that I am loading up
[2016-11-17 23:03:19] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-17 23:03:31] mjones : lol watch btc fall over and die to 5000 cny and $700 now
[2016-11-17 23:08:36] mjones : looking up this recipe. calls for 1 pound of sugar. wtf
[2016-11-17 23:09:14] mjones : oshi bby keep pumping btc. i knew i could count on your double bottom
[2016-11-17 23:18:21] rapidtrades : doubt we'll drop much with Yuan at new lows
[2016-11-17 23:31:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 204 @ 740.05
[2016-11-17 23:35:30] lockhedge : is there a bug with realised pnl or did you change something @BitMEX? (it used to show pnl since the contract was listed)
[2016-11-17 23:37:08] BitMEX_Sam : lockhedge: This is intentional, we show PNL now since the contract was last zeroed
[2016-11-17 23:37:19] BitMEX_Sam : We have a summary of the change we're about to put out, I'll link it when finished
[2016-11-17 23:38:19] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: ok, np. does "zeroed" mean as soon as i have 0 open contracts it resets?
[2016-11-17 23:38:33] BitMEX_Sam : Right.
[2016-11-17 23:38:46] lockhedge : ok, thanks
[2016-11-17 23:42:43] rapidtrades : does trezor have the same deal every year? 2 for 1 on black monday?
[2016-11-17 23:42:56] mjones : cyber monday
[2016-11-17 23:43:12] rapidtrades : no bitcoin black money
[2016-11-17 23:43:37] rapidtrades : black friday...stop confusing me jones!
[2016-11-18 00:01:01] Dtrade16 : Guys how far do you look back on RSI?
[2016-11-18 00:01:07] Dtrade16 : A week?
[2016-11-18 00:01:58] rapidtrades : no....14 is the default
[2016-11-18 00:02:20] rapidtrades : 'a week' doesn't mean anything, depends on the timeframe
[2016-11-18 00:03:17] Dtrade16 : I mean if I'm trading and I want to know what the price is likely to be how far am I looking back?
[2016-11-18 00:03:22] Dtrade16 : 2 weeks?
[2016-11-18 00:04:05] rapidtrades : 14 periods
[2016-11-18 00:04:15] rapidtrades : so on daily chart, 14 days
[2016-11-18 00:05:17] Dtrade16 : bitnifex doesn't even have a 14 day period does it?
[2016-11-18 00:05:52] rapidtrades : 1. why are u on bitfinex 2. use tradingview charts if u want bitfinex data
[2016-11-18 00:07:50] Dtrade16 : I'm trading BFX
[2016-11-18 00:07:55] Dtrade16 : Not a lot of money
[2016-11-18 00:07:59] rapidtrades : BITFINEX:BTCUSD
[2016-11-18 00:08:00] Dtrade16 : And it's USD
[2016-11-18 00:08:03] Dtrade16 : yes
[2016-11-18 00:08:20] Dtrade16 : I'm also loaning USD on there
[2016-11-18 00:08:23] Dtrade16 : Not much
[2016-11-18 00:08:48] Dtrade16 : I don't see an RSI indicator on trading view
[2016-11-18 00:09:03] Dtrade16 : Do I have to purchase a subscription or something?
[2016-11-18 00:09:18] rapidtrades : Relative Strength Index, dummy
[2016-11-18 00:10:44] Dtrade16 : thx
[2016-11-18 00:12:14] rapidtrades : don't use it myself but 10 and 14 periods are the most used values
[2016-11-18 00:16:57] Dtrade16 : so go to top select 1 day chart then go to bottom and use the calendar tool thing to go back 10 or 14 days?
[2016-11-18 00:18:17] rapidtrades : no, when u apply the RSI to the chart the default value will be 14 period
[2016-11-18 00:18:23] rapidtrades : says 14,70,30
[2016-11-18 00:19:15] rapidtrades : u can then change those values by formatting it
[2016-11-18 00:19:52] Dtrade16 : Ok
[2016-11-18 00:20:58] Dtrade16 : so just select 1 day period select rsi indicator and that's it right?
[2016-11-18 00:21:32] Dtrade16 : thanks
[2016-11-18 00:23:27] Dtrade16 : what do you use btw?
[2016-11-18 00:25:34] rapidtrades : only indicator I use that's not a visual aid is moving average
[2016-11-18 00:38:28] amirmass : somthing is wrong with bitmex
[2016-11-18 00:38:46] amirmass : any mod here?
[2016-11-18 00:39:14] BitMEX_Sam : amirmass: What's up?
[2016-11-18 00:40:35] aethlios : btc spot in india 900 usd
[2016-11-18 00:41:18] aaa : lol
[2016-11-18 00:44:54] amirmass : BitMEX_Sam: can u check my last trades? i had avg long 755 ,and regrads and i was buying contracts and selling at higher prices, for example 737 to 739, but no profit showed up
[2016-11-18 00:46:12] BitMEX_Sam : amirmass: See your trade history at https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-11-18 00:46:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 650 @ 0.009548
[2016-11-18 00:46:45] BitMEX_Sam : You can see, for instance, that some of your recent sells were below your last buy. Regardless, there is often a difference between unrealised PNL & actual PNL, because unrealised is estimated based on Mark Price
[2016-11-18 00:47:06] amirmass : BitMEX_Sam: just one
[2016-11-18 00:47:11] BitMEX_Sam : Of course, in markets there is slippage, moving quotes, etc., so the profit you really get is often different than the estimations
[2016-11-18 00:47:12] amirmass : was that
[2016-11-18 00:47:14] amirmass : only one
[2016-11-18 00:54:46] BitMEX_Arthur : amirmass: The biggest reason why your expected profit may differ from actual reality is fees paid, I can see that on the majority of your recent orders you are paying the Taker fee, these fees will cause your realised profit to be lower than expected, we don't discuss account details on the public chat, so please submit a support ticket if you have further questions.
[2016-11-18 00:57:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 4000 @ 776.83
[2016-11-18 00:58:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 1 @ 774.14 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-18 00:58:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2877 @ 733.90
[2016-11-18 00:58:47] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-11-18 00:58:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4498 @ 733.31
[2016-11-18 00:58:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 733.51
[2016-11-18 00:59:56] mjones : oh knows. will 5200 CNY not hold
[2016-11-18 01:13:29] theinvestmentguy : BitMEX_Arthur: can you answer my support tickets?
[2016-11-18 01:14:40] theinvestmentguy : question on Funding: does it change which sides get charged the fee? Or is it always the same side
[2016-11-18 01:16:51] BitMEX_Arthur : theinvestmentguy: The funding fee changes, on the order controls panel you can see the next funding fee to be charged, and the predicted rate after that, +ve means longs pay shorts, -ve means shorts pay longs
[2016-11-18 01:17:07] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.8796 (vs. yesterday at 6.8692)
[2016-11-18 01:17:58] theinvestmentguy : is their a funding fee on all 10 trade pairs?
[2016-11-18 01:20:15] BitMEX_Wally : theinvestmentguy: I have replied to your ticket
[2016-11-18 01:20:39] BitMEX_Wally : There is only a funding fee on swaps, which is just XBTUSD for now
[2016-11-18 01:20:53] theinvestmentguy : thank you
[2016-11-18 01:25:27] Dtrade16 : rapidtrades: nice
[2016-11-18 02:00:28] amirmass : dump it
[2016-11-18 02:03:55] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Wally: any idea if you will reintroduce swap for alts in the future ?
[2016-11-18 02:04:07] sleger : they just removed them
[2016-11-18 02:07:18] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: just got back... are you still here?
[2016-11-18 02:08:24] AudibleScience : Is that Chrome bug a new bug with the latest version?
[2016-11-18 02:08:57] AudibleScience : I've not seen that before yesterday and today
[2016-11-18 02:09:50] AudibleScience : never mind, it's no big deal anyway...
[2016-11-18 02:22:02] Newmex : If I deleverage a xbtz16 position, is it possible to up the leverage again after if the price goes up?
[2016-11-18 02:22:13] Newmex : assuming i am long^
[2016-11-18 02:22:32] Newmex : and i deleveraged a bit to avoid margin call
[2016-11-18 02:22:33] sleger : yes if you have the available margin
[2016-11-18 02:23:00] Newmex : if i no longer have the available margin appearing for me then i wont be able to?
[2016-11-18 02:23:13] Newmex : at all?^
[2016-11-18 02:23:21] Newmex : just wanting to make sure
[2016-11-18 02:23:52] BitMEX_Wally : Newmex: In general you can always increase leverage of an existing position
[2016-11-18 02:24:36] Newmex : ok. well the 25x and 30x and 50x options dont show up anymore. is that because the more i increase my position the lower leverage is offered?
[2016-11-18 02:24:50] Newmex : sorry for all the questions, still new to this site
[2016-11-18 02:24:55] Newmex : hence the username :)
[2016-11-18 02:25:08] BitMEX_Wally : As your increase your risk limit some of the high leverage is no longer available
[2016-11-18 02:25:15] Newmex : oh ok that makes sense. thanks
[2016-11-18 02:26:24] sleger : best guesses of 0kcoin weekly settlement price in a few hours ?
[2016-11-18 02:29:15] sleger : not all at once please
[2016-11-18 02:29:44] j8 : china will diverge some more before settlement i bet
[2016-11-18 02:30:51] j8 : it's the only explanation for $6 premium with 6 hours to go
[2016-11-18 02:31:12] sleger : yes thats why i asked
[2016-11-18 02:31:29] sleger : doesnt make a lot of sense unless some move is planned
[2016-11-18 02:33:16] j8 : its happened before, we all shorted it and got screwed
[2016-11-18 02:34:21] sleger : actually pretty sure will happen again
[2016-11-18 02:34:31] sleger : pump will start in >2 hours
[2016-11-18 02:34:57] sleger : has to go up more than 6$ for getting screwed though
[2016-11-18 02:35:10] j8 : the futures premium is the bait
[2016-11-18 02:35:59] rapidtrades : j8: :)
[2016-11-18 02:36:04] sleger : bitvc future has 2 hours and 0 premium thats why i think they will wait 2 hours
[2016-11-18 02:36:17] j8 : i see
[2016-11-18 02:36:22] rapidtrades : i remember that....i shorted at $2-3 and it blew up to $6 or smth by close
[2016-11-18 02:36:34] rapidtrades : or was it 10-20
[2016-11-18 02:36:51] sleger : rapidtrades: you shorted at 3
[2016-11-18 02:36:58] sleger : oh no that was a long sorry
[2016-11-18 02:37:24] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-11-18 02:49:56] micmix : j8: ten more dollars to $1000 CAD, can't wait to be rich again ;-)
[2016-11-18 02:50:21] j8 : micmix: it sure makes the mental math easy
[2016-11-18 02:50:28] micmix : yep
[2016-11-18 02:55:07] sleger : $5 for 5 hours, even better than the 1% funding for 8 hours
[2016-11-18 02:55:51] rapidtrades : sleger: there's no 1% for 8hrs?
[2016-11-18 02:56:00] sleger : there was
[2016-11-18 02:56:22] rapidtrades : oh...you're reminiscing
[2016-11-18 02:56:31] rapidtrades : ...you stock operator
[2016-11-18 02:56:57] sleger : then they introduced another cap... 0.375%
[2016-11-18 02:58:24] rapidtrades : caps everywhere
[2016-11-18 02:58:54] jose : sleger: they didnt introduced it, they hange the max leerage wich changed the max funding rate
[2016-11-18 02:59:12] sleger : thanks, we know
[2016-11-18 02:59:29] sleger : you mexican ?
[2016-11-18 02:59:38] sleger : go back behind that wall
[2016-11-18 02:59:42] sleger : oh wait a bit longer
[2016-11-18 02:59:58] jose : sleger: i know you know, but other people reading might not know
[2016-11-18 03:00:20] rapidtrades : i didn't know
[2016-11-18 03:00:34] rapidtrades : logically it doesn't make sense to lower the cap while increasing leverage
[2016-11-18 03:00:41] jose : BitMEX_Wally: still no button to jute people ?
[2016-11-18 03:00:50] sleger : its because the funding fee is part of the maintenance margin
[2016-11-18 03:01:14] rapidtrades : cos idiots will use more leverage now exacerbating the divergence with spot
[2016-11-18 03:01:52] rapidtrades : so far it's doing the job but could be problems in very high volatility like we had few months ago
[2016-11-18 03:02:01] sleger : jose: who do you want to jute?
[2016-11-18 03:02:21] rapidtrades : I want to jute hajibi
[2016-11-18 03:02:45] sleger : i always knew you guys had a thing
[2016-11-18 03:02:53] rapidtrades : 3 jutes and they're out
[2016-11-18 03:03:09] sleger : aren't you at 3 jutes already?
[2016-11-18 03:03:19] rapidtrades : no I'm at 2 jutes
[2016-11-18 03:21:04] rapidtrades : holy crap Yuan nearing 6.91
[2016-11-18 03:21:14] rapidtrades : euro below 1.06
[2016-11-18 03:22:40] j8 : make USD great again
[2016-11-18 03:24:02] rapidtrades : it just keeps going
[2016-11-18 03:26:11] Apocalyptic : parity soon amirite
[2016-11-18 03:26:58] rapidtrades : this would be 10th consecutive day of losses
[2016-11-18 03:31:58] j8 : but the tv said 11 days
[2016-11-18 03:32:29] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: not unlike ZEC
[2016-11-18 03:35:14] rapidtrades : j8: 10 for Euro, 11th for USD/CNY
[2016-11-18 03:35:20] j8 : ah
[2016-11-18 03:35:43] rapidtrades : usd/cnh had a small down day, breaking the streak
[2016-11-18 03:37:30] zanza : EUR = toilet paper ?
[2016-11-18 03:38:18] j8 : it's plastic, doesn't work well
[2016-11-18 03:38:25] zanza : wow USD 101.3
[2016-11-18 03:38:47] zanza : highest since ???
[2016-11-18 03:42:55] rapidtrades : 2002 :)
[2016-11-18 03:43:19] rapidtrades : 2003 actually
[2016-11-18 03:45:36] rapidtrades : and SP500 <0.5 % away from all time highs again
[2016-11-18 03:46:07] Dtrade16 : wow
[2016-11-18 03:46:43] Dtrade16 : Feels nice knowing I'm not holding much useless cad
[2016-11-18 03:47:14] Dtrade16 : every other currency is a joke compared to usd
[2016-11-18 03:47:23] Dtrade16 : so many damn legs
[2016-11-18 03:50:07] Apocalyptic : Dtrade16: CHF isn't so bad
[2016-11-18 03:51:20] Dtrade16 : Why is CHF so high anyway?
[2016-11-18 03:51:29] Dtrade16 : Banking industry or something?
[2016-11-18 03:51:38] Apocalyptic : it's considered a safe heaven currency
[2016-11-18 03:51:41] Dtrade16 : Prob all that usd over there
[2016-11-18 03:51:55] Dtrade16 : it's a usd proxy currency
[2016-11-18 03:52:00] Apocalyptic : the Swiss economy is doing quite well
[2016-11-18 03:52:02] Dtrade16 : let's just call it what it is
[2016-11-18 03:52:27] Apocalyptic : it's an island of prosperity in the wrecked in the middle of the wrecked EU
[2016-11-18 03:53:15] Dtrade16 : It's probably all foreign money that's why
[2016-11-18 03:53:31] Apocalyptic : yes, massive inflows
[2016-11-18 03:53:34] Dtrade16 : Swiss economy is a joke without foreign dollars
[2016-11-18 03:53:46] Dtrade16 : yah
[2016-11-18 03:59:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 21 @ 0.009304
[2016-11-18 03:59:24] mjones : golly gee wiz is btc about to break out
[2016-11-18 04:01:38] rapidtrades : mjones: just funding
[2016-11-18 04:14:50] mjones : china is $34 from the 2016 ATH. that means xbtz16 should be at $822 by then.
[2016-11-18 04:15:31] mjones : higher this goes the more people look at longing. the more users come here. the higher xbtz16 goes
[2016-11-18 04:15:40] mjones : assuming capmix doesn't step in
[2016-11-18 04:16:05] mjones : which then means hella big dumps with liquidations. = laggy bitmex (i hope not)
[2016-11-18 04:16:10] kingscrown : =]
[2016-11-18 04:16:51] mjones : 1,400,896 contracts now. i am going to keep track to see how it increases with price
[2016-11-18 04:18:05] mjones : because good luck dumping your long at a loss into the 1 market maker who removes their walls as price goes down. gotta be at your computer 24/7
[2016-11-18 04:24:41] Newmex : and what happens if price goes up? he will also remove his walls then? :)
[2016-11-18 04:29:29] j8 : sleger: nice call on bitvc settlement pump
[2016-11-18 05:01:26] j8 : meh, not in a hurry apparently
[2016-11-18 06:31:14] elmorte : Slick digest @BitMEX_Arthur
[2016-11-18 06:35:16] arbitrage001 : elmorte: all the digest so far have insight
[2016-11-18 06:35:44] arbitrage001 : world is about to blow up, and we are trading bitcoin here
[2016-11-18 06:36:22] elmorte : yeah, but I enjoyed this one in particular since I trade with China a lot
[2016-11-18 06:36:50] elmorte : Are you hedging the ringgit in any way?
[2016-11-18 06:37:04] arbitrage001 : only keep 1-2 months of expense here
[2016-11-18 06:37:26] elmorte : clever
[2016-11-18 06:37:39] arbitrage001 : i dont think asset in malaysia can hedge against inflation
[2016-11-18 06:37:50] arbitrage001 : or rm depreciation
[2016-11-18 06:38:41] elmorte : nope, real estate is in bubble and deposit rates don't even keep up with the inflation
[2016-11-18 06:39:00] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-11-18 06:39:13] arbitrage001 : and people were complain about negative yield in europe
[2016-11-18 06:39:28] arbitrage001 : the asset in KL have deeper negative yield
[2016-11-18 07:26:39] BitMEX_Arthur : We have had some requests to add a XBT/CNY swap or future, would like to hear feedback on whether that product is desired
[2016-11-18 07:27:09] sleger : would trade a little bit
[2016-11-18 07:36:57] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Arthur: I would love to have XBT/CNY quarterly
[2016-11-18 07:37:25] Zen Trader : BitMEX_Arthur: Where do i go for support I have a PNL I dont fully understand as I didnt close any positions and my entry price didnt recalculate.
[2016-11-18 07:37:39] BitMEX_Arthur : support@bitmex.com
[2016-11-18 07:37:41] chromaticcr1 : BitMEX_Arthur: yes, since most casinos (leveraged platfrom) are CNY, or partially cny denominated. I would be happy to have that to make 1: arbitrage, 2:proxy bet of USDCNY with XBTUSD (need to see how funding works for XBTCNY)
[2016-11-18 07:38:00] BitMEX_Arthur : most likely we would just do a future instead of swap
[2016-11-18 07:39:24] j8 : i like it
[2016-11-18 07:39:53] sleger : j8: surprisingly quiet settlement so far
[2016-11-18 07:40:42] j8 : yep, not much action, quarterly really pushed up though
[2016-11-18 07:47:11] zanza : silver got donkey punched
[2016-11-18 07:51:11] BitMEX_Wally : Zen Trader: I have replied to your support ticket, short answer is funding payments
[2016-11-18 07:56:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 69 @ 0.013020
[2016-11-18 08:02:11] Mm bot : Market maker getting out of the way on BTC 3M
[2016-11-18 08:02:51] rapidtrades : weird, so shorting that $5 premium on okc would've made $$$
[2016-11-18 08:03:06] sleger : yes and pump just after
[2016-11-18 08:05:44] der : Haven't been here for a while...what happened to the China A50 trade?
[2016-11-18 08:08:46] BitMEX_Wally : der: We no longer offer that product
[2016-11-18 08:09:38] der : I see, what's the reason behind that?
[2016-11-18 08:10:37] BitMEX_Wally : Lack of customer interest
[2016-11-18 08:11:22] der : I see, thanks
[2016-11-18 08:13:12] rapidtrades : crazy vol in Euro right now
[2016-11-18 08:18:28] Kahir : BitMEX_Wally: why charts some times show as lines ?
[2016-11-18 08:18:36] Kahir : how i fix that
[2016-11-18 08:19:14] marinomedia : How to close out a position? Enter oppsoite equal market order??
[2016-11-18 08:19:50] Kahir : marinomedia: down right u will see u can either close at market price or enter value
[2016-11-18 08:20:48] marinomedia : Kahir thanks brother i forogot to scroll
[2016-11-18 08:22:54] elmorte : I got 10k euros that I need to use for CNY payment in 7 days...wondering wtf to do
[2016-11-18 08:23:43] rapidtrades : use it for CNY payment dummy
[2016-11-18 08:24:04] elmorte : yeah, but convert now, convert in a week...convert to USD first...
[2016-11-18 08:28:23] elmorte : I'm leaning towards converting it to USD and letting it sit...euro's not gonna make some miraculous rebound in the next few days, is it?
[2016-11-18 08:34:35] BitMEX_Wally : Kahir: The chart should have candlesticks for the traded price and a thin line for the underlying index price
[2016-11-18 08:35:03] Kahir : BitMEX_Wally: i keep refreshing till it get fixed
[2016-11-18 08:35:33] BitMEX_Wally : Might be an issue with your connection requesting the data
[2016-11-18 08:36:08] BitMEX_Wally : You can also right-click on the chart and choose Reset Chart
[2016-11-18 08:51:58] jose : why is ETH dropping ?
[2016-11-18 08:52:20] habibi : coz its future ! :)
[2016-11-18 08:52:23] jose : market manipulation before settlement ?
[2016-11-18 08:52:24] wurstgelee : it found a penny
[2016-11-18 08:52:33] wurstgelee : and is trying to pick it up
[2016-11-18 08:52:43] wurstgelee : gday
[2016-11-18 08:52:53] wurstgelee : just in time for okc settlement
[2016-11-18 08:53:10] wurstgelee : well
[2016-11-18 08:53:11] wurstgelee : almost
[2016-11-18 08:53:12] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-18 08:53:13] habibi : people loosing patience on one hand, on other hand not much people willing to buy and support price, as long as there will be no real panic there won't be real bounce as well
[2016-11-18 09:10:56] anonymous789 : damn it, sleep is my worst enemy, reached near my target price last night to close my short
[2016-11-18 09:13:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2500 @ 747.13
[2016-11-18 09:13:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1885 @ 746.82
[2016-11-18 09:13:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1310 @ 746.58
[2016-11-18 09:14:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.054662
[2016-11-18 09:14:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 0.055382
[2016-11-18 09:14:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 13 @ 0.055701
[2016-11-18 09:14:42] aethlios : zcash dives to zzero soon. hype goes away.
[2016-11-18 09:16:29] wurstgelee : i am a little jelly because someone else was faster and got that liquidation order ;)
[2016-11-18 09:25:20] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: could u ask monero MM to come back
[2016-11-18 09:26:08] anonymous789 : this little pump seems a bit half hearted in xbt
[2016-11-18 09:26:21] wurstgelee : not sure yet
[2016-11-18 09:26:42] Kahir : btc moon ?
[2016-11-18 09:26:57] anonymous789 : although btc does tend to act more like a coiled spring
[2016-11-18 09:27:26] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-18 09:27:38] aethlios : kraken new high above 16th june top
[2016-11-18 09:27:42] anonymous789 : regret not closing my short before i went to bed now in the high 730s :(
[2016-11-18 09:28:11] wurstgelee : coiled spring behavior is a problem for ta...
[2016-11-18 09:28:23] anonymous789 : TA can also predict it though
[2016-11-18 09:28:32] wurstgelee : its ok for prediction probably
[2016-11-18 09:28:48] wurstgelee : not so much for where educated fomo would be the right choice imo ;)
[2016-11-18 09:29:10] anonymous789 : breakouts you can predict from the candlestick with fairly decent accuracy but i'm not great with that micro level of technical analysis
[2016-11-18 09:30:27] wurstgelee : i agree with "kinda weak" tho
[2016-11-18 09:31:25] anonymous789 : poloniex going higher
[2016-11-18 09:31:33] habibi : eth shitting
[2016-11-18 09:31:42] wurstgelee : yep