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[2016-11-16 21:15:55] aethlios : finex usd rates 0.19% daily
[2016-11-16 21:15:58] CapitalGains : His money is fine, it just stopped me being liquidated
[2016-11-16 21:16:19] Tetsuo : give it a few days
[2016-11-16 21:16:25] habibi : yea famous last words
[2016-11-16 21:16:32] Tetsuo : then start converting into longs at the top
[2016-11-16 21:16:34] aethlios : demand for btc very high, lending rates and premiums across all fiat skyrocket.
[2016-11-16 21:17:07] aethlios : only kraken has cheap stable house lending 0.06% daily
[2016-11-16 21:17:57] iefken : https://www.kaiko.com/bitcoin-price
[2016-11-16 21:18:07] iefken : quiet impressive though
[2016-11-16 21:19:18] j8 : nice, we hit $1000 CAD
[2016-11-16 21:20:31] Rado : cool
[2016-11-16 21:20:32] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-16 21:24:24] jung1 : kurwa
[2016-11-16 21:24:27] jung1 : bitcoin is awesome
[2016-11-16 21:25:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.013590
[2016-11-16 21:26:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 40 @ 0.008707
[2016-11-16 21:28:51] mjones : a short would be nice on xbtz16 as it has a far ways to fall but who knows if china will dump this back down
[2016-11-16 21:29:32] iefken : well, china's price is way up and since they have like 99% of liquidity in btc
[2016-11-16 21:35:53] mjones : we will see if bitmex lags when this dumps and longs get margin called nonstop
[2016-11-16 21:36:31] mjones : okcoin hit 5499 and now 5450 so the top may be in and now we go sideways till the megadump
[2016-11-16 21:36:53] iefken : yup, little hesitation
[2016-11-16 21:37:20] mjones : maybe 5000 CNY will be support
[2016-11-16 21:38:41] iefken : nice order @ xbtusd :p
[2016-11-16 21:41:48] jung1 : finex $5 dump
[2016-11-16 21:42:46] Dtrade16 : 400+ sell on bitfinex
[2016-11-16 21:44:13] jung1 : finex chart looks crazy
[2016-11-16 21:44:14] jung1 : perfect bowl
[2016-11-16 21:44:58] CaptainDean : so the 4% difference price frmo China is based on the fact the undervalued their money for like 3% ?
[2016-11-16 21:45:58] CaptainDean : they*
[2016-11-16 21:49:00] j8 : the actual change in USDCNY was much smaller. they overreact
[2016-11-16 21:53:49] CapitalGains : Can't this megadump happen already so I can go to sleep
[2016-11-16 21:54:34] Tetsuo : dump from 2000 to 1000 would be brutal, but might take a few days
[2016-11-16 21:56:02] CapitalGains : I feel like if I leave my shorts open overnight, we'll hit $900, but if I close them, we'll retrace to $700, and if I set a limit at $820, it'll hit $820 and then retrace to $700.
[2016-11-16 21:56:17] Tetsuo : win win?
[2016-11-16 21:56:27] j8 : so leave em open
[2016-11-16 21:56:28] mjones : lol
[2016-11-16 21:56:36] wurstgelee : dont sleep
[2016-11-16 21:56:39] wurstgelee : problem solved
[2016-11-16 21:56:51] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: it's a really hard call
[2016-11-16 21:59:50] Tetsuo : CapitalGains: just ask yourself: " Do i believe in Satoshi , the one true master? Shall i short his child?"
[2016-11-16 22:00:22] CapitalGains : Tetsuo: You make a good case
[2016-11-16 22:00:23] iefken : put in another buy other you limit at 800/850
[2016-11-16 22:00:39] iefken : more possible profit
[2016-11-16 22:01:27] QuantFocus : CapitalGains: don't forget to buy in at the top
[2016-11-16 22:01:33] mjones : okcoin quarterly futures dumping a bit. i got a bunch of charts open
[2016-11-16 22:01:37] iefken : anyone a good site to see the liquidity of btc live globally?
[2016-11-16 22:01:37] CapitalGains : Thanks guys
[2016-11-16 22:01:49] CapitalGains : QuantFocus: Thanks to you in particular
[2016-11-16 22:02:12] mjones : here we gooooo
[2016-11-16 22:02:17] QuantFocus : CapitalGains: :thumbsup:
[2016-11-16 22:02:27] mjones : quarterly futures dumping big league
[2016-11-16 22:02:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 6000 @ 787.21
[2016-11-16 22:02:54] mjones : if this dumps huge and bitmex lags due to liquidations...
[2016-11-16 22:02:57] QuantFocus : feel that basis contract like a nice, tight little...
[2016-11-16 22:03:02] Tetsuo : mjones: soooon
[2016-11-16 22:03:55] mjones : dip buyers stepping in already. too soon. let it dump more
[2016-11-16 22:04:28] anonymous789 : from the technical analysis i did earlier should be some significant support at the 740 level
[2016-11-16 22:04:48] anonymous789 : see if i'm proved wrong
[2016-11-16 22:04:56] mjones : china at $774 so $774 to $740?
[2016-11-16 22:05:11] anonymous789 : i only look at the bitmex swap
[2016-11-16 22:05:14] mjones : oh ok
[2016-11-16 22:08:21] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/VEoK9EOi/
[2016-11-16 22:08:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10900 @ 740.38
[2016-11-16 22:08:30] aethlios : spot ready to pump
[2016-11-16 22:09:19] CapitalGains : aethlios: And I was just feeling relieved
[2016-11-16 22:09:43] anonymous789 : am i about to be proved wrong lol
[2016-11-16 22:09:43] Tetsuo : aethlios: stop posting bull FUD, this ponzi is about to collapse
[2016-11-16 22:09:45] aethlios : at the resistance now the spot, must break the roof
[2016-11-16 22:10:38] anonymous789 : if this does drop to 735ish i'll probably look for confirmation as to whether to close my long
[2016-11-16 22:10:41] iefken : what you mean with spot?
[2016-11-16 22:11:26] mjones : did okcoin find support or just stalling this dump for a bit
[2016-11-16 22:15:34] CapitalGains : mjones: What do you mean by woodchipper?
[2016-11-16 22:15:36] anonymous789 : RSI on the hourly no longer extremely overbought, just overbought now, so if it stays at this level for a few more hours, RSI could look neutral and with the higher highs and higher lows that would be bullish imo
[2016-11-16 22:16:22] Rekted : anonymous789: or it's going to be oversell
[2016-11-16 22:16:54] anonymous789 : Rekted: i think it's bullish if it stays around the 740 level
[2016-11-16 22:17:07] anonymous789 : if it drops to like 735 or below i think could start becoming oversell
[2016-11-16 22:17:30] Rekted : anonymous789: maybe nobody knows, lot of accumaltion today, it could drop really fast
[2016-11-16 22:17:47] anonymous789 : and i guess the next major support would be around the 720 level
[2016-11-16 22:18:01] habibi : Rekted: it doesn't make sense what u just said
[2016-11-16 22:18:36] BigDaddyBigDick : bear div on btccny 30min playing out. Probs see 5200cny at some point here
[2016-11-16 22:19:05] mjones : CapitalGains: 0kcoin
[2016-11-16 22:19:25] mjones : probably a big dump to scare top buyers and margin call those on 20x and higher leverage
[2016-11-16 22:21:29] mjones : or sideways and up like the last time. fun game we play
[2016-11-16 22:22:25] anonymous789 : so the daily RSI confirms a bullish scenario at the moment as that is not overbought into the extended territory
[2016-11-16 22:22:59] BigDaddyBigDick : id like to see a good shake out down to the long term trend line.
[2016-11-16 22:23:27] anonymous789 : i feel like we need to break the 750 level before see a significant drop
[2016-11-16 22:24:56] BigDaddyBigDick : i cant play this long or short right now tho, I have so much indecision. Just seems sketchy right now. Hard to judge it
[2016-11-16 22:25:53] wurstgelee : when in doubt, long. until not. ;)
[2016-11-16 22:26:26] anonymous789 : i used to be the same until i decided on a few indicators and imo the most important things = higher highs/higher lows = bullish, lower highs/lower lows bearish
[2016-11-16 22:26:34] anonymous789 : that appears to work for most of my trades
[2016-11-16 22:27:29] anonymous789 : RSI to look for entry/exit, MACD to determine the trend potential
[2016-11-16 22:27:44] anonymous789 : ATR for stops, but i'm not good with that so i don't set a stop anymore
[2016-11-16 22:28:41] BigDaddyBigDick : ya i trend to stick to divergences, wave theory and then just simple resistance/support for my entries.
[2016-11-16 22:29:09] anonymous789 : all good stuff
[2016-11-16 22:29:43] BigDaddyBigDick : definitely takes a while to find the combo that works for you tho.
[2016-11-16 22:30:46] anonymous789 : yeah i'm hoping this continues wrking. One thing that definitely works is trading crypto. Before this i was trading indices and was getting rekt
[2016-11-16 22:31:00] anonymous789 : the financial markets are completely manipulated to the tits
[2016-11-16 22:31:23] anonymous789 : and totally unpredictable imo
[2016-11-16 22:31:48] j8 : btc markets are not very efficient, which is good for the little guy
[2016-11-16 22:31:58] anonymous789 : <-- little guy :D
[2016-11-16 22:32:00] BigDaddyBigDick : i like crypto cuz the whales are significantly smaller than in stocks. They drag every move out so long that even if im on the right side i still get shaken out
[2016-11-16 22:32:05] Rado : anonymous789: also the markets close
[2016-11-16 22:32:11] Rado : this is a big problem for manipulation
[2016-11-16 22:32:13] anonymous789 : Rado: indeed
[2016-11-16 22:32:15] Rado : crypto is 24h
[2016-11-16 22:32:36] anonymous789 : well i was trading indices futures and they kinda trade nearly 24/7ish
[2016-11-16 22:32:45] anonymous789 : contracts
[2016-11-16 22:32:50] anonymous789 : CFD*
[2016-11-16 22:33:20] BigDaddyBigDick : thats what i used to trade, futures on the SP and then options
[2016-11-16 22:33:25] Rado : BTC-E is $50 bellow china
[2016-11-16 22:33:26] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 22:33:33] Rado : talk about arbitrage
[2016-11-16 22:33:36] anonymous789 : yea forget that shit got seriously destroyed lost a tonne of money lol
[2016-11-16 22:34:34] Rado : So longs will get charged 0.375% and yet we still have $3 premium
[2016-11-16 22:35:08] iefken : where can i find info on this premium?
[2016-11-16 22:35:09] BigDaddyBigDick : Yup, only big money wins in the ling term on this markets. Hard game to play
[2016-11-16 22:35:20] j8 : it's 5 hours away, nobody's paying anything until then
[2016-11-16 22:35:21] BigDaddyBigDick : those markets*
[2016-11-16 22:35:53] anonymous789 : yea look at the mess with donald trump being elected, Dow at ATHs lmfao who would have predicted that
[2016-11-16 22:36:02] anonymous789 : completely rigged market
[2016-11-16 22:36:52] BigDaddyBigDick : right aha election night was insane, the bear trap ws something like ive never seen. Futures down 5% overnight and then markets close the next day up 2% or something.
[2016-11-16 22:36:55] iefken : what you think, btc about to bear or bull?
[2016-11-16 22:37:15] anonymous789 : iefken: i'm bull because of RSI on the daily
[2016-11-16 22:37:35] anonymous789 : BigDaddyBigDick: yeah that was nuts
[2016-11-16 22:37:44] anonymous789 : BigDaddyBigDick: i'm never going near those markets ever again
[2016-11-16 22:37:50] rapidtrades : whats with the lag
[2016-11-16 22:37:53] rapidtrades : WTF
[2016-11-16 22:37:55] iefken : yea me 2 atm
[2016-11-16 22:38:36] wurstgelee : .
[2016-11-16 22:38:39] wurstgelee : test
[2016-11-16 22:38:41] wurstgelee : nope, fine
[2016-11-16 22:39:50] BigDaddyBigDick : anonymous789: ya i definitely dont miss playing in that mess. crypto is way more fun. Takes a lil bit to figure it all out at first, but once i did, i didint look back aha
[2016-11-16 22:40:15] anonymous789 : ^^
[2016-11-16 22:41:18] CaptainDean : 33
[2016-11-16 22:41:41] Rekted : can we open a long trade and a short trade on perpetual swap ?
[2016-11-16 22:41:58] Rekted : at same time
[2016-11-16 22:42:11] iefken : with different leverage i think you can, but havent tried it yet
[2016-11-16 22:42:33] j8 : if you really want to you would need 2 accounts, but you don't really want to
[2016-11-16 22:43:01] Rekted : j8: why you said that ?
[2016-11-16 22:44:07] j8 : the only reason to do that is to maybe let one get liquidated, you should just use stops
[2016-11-16 22:44:17] jung1 : Rekted: not pn same account
[2016-11-16 22:44:47] jung1 : Focus on one position
[2016-11-16 22:44:49] Rekted : j8: or catch the short when you don't want to close your long
[2016-11-16 22:45:07] jung1 : And dont get rekted
[2016-11-16 22:45:14] jung1 : :)
[2016-11-16 22:45:33] j8 : that's entirely psychological, but ok
[2016-11-16 22:47:46] jung1 : Huobi seem pushing price up
[2016-11-16 22:56:27] Tetsuo : I´m not going to sell my quarterlys below 1000$
[2016-11-16 22:59:36] sleger : they are precious
[2016-11-16 23:03:28] jung1 : Some moves
[2016-11-16 23:03:43] jung1 : Bullish as fck
[2016-11-16 23:03:45] iefken : on here yea, outside?
[2016-11-16 23:04:21] anonymous789 : so far looks like i was right about 740 being major support
[2016-11-16 23:04:37] iefken : yea, its keeping steady there
[2016-11-16 23:04:51] iefken : im ready for the next boost
[2016-11-16 23:05:00] anonymous789 : :D
[2016-11-16 23:06:42] jung1 : Huobi have higher lows
[2016-11-16 23:07:13] Rekted : anonymous789: well done
[2016-11-16 23:08:13] anonymous789 : Rekted: not yet, we need to see >750 sustained with volume ^^
[2016-11-16 23:12:42] Rekted : chart 30 min look fine
[2016-11-16 23:13:56] miramm1115 : didn't expect swap premium to get so high, I should allow for larger shorts here
[2016-11-16 23:16:59] mjones : if this dumps you can thank me for closing my short
[2016-11-16 23:17:49] mjones : then if i reshort it'll go up
[2016-11-16 23:19:27] jung1 : on huobi appers 850btc sell order for a moment
[2016-11-16 23:28:22] jung1 : what a fight
[2016-11-16 23:28:55] Tetsuo : U ALL BETTER FOMO BUY WITH 2 OR MORE HANDS BEFORE IT´S TOO LATE! CHEAP COINS WON´T LAST FOREVER!
[2016-11-16 23:30:34] jung1 : funny fact: ltc is all time low
[2016-11-16 23:30:36] jung1 : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcbtc
[2016-11-16 23:30:56] mjones : it was lower but bitcoinwisdom doesnt go back that far. plus ltc was like a penny back then so it doesnt really matter
[2016-11-16 23:31:15] jung1 : but $ is stronger now
[2016-11-16 23:31:20] mjones : all that matters is ltc holders long term = horrible decision
[2016-11-16 23:33:59] Tetsuo : they won´t keep a great coin down forever
[2016-11-16 23:34:50] mjones : ltc hashrate going up
[2016-11-16 23:35:10] Tetsuo : once it starts pumping , no hostages will be made
[2016-11-16 23:35:14] jung1 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCCNY/kpkSVmYX-BTCCNY/
[2016-11-16 23:35:19] jung1 : 3rd wave?
[2016-11-16 23:35:33] jung1 : <random lines on chart mode on>
[2016-11-16 23:35:36] mjones : yeah. 20x long ltc on 0kcoin quarterly. cant long ltc/btc here. get adl in a second
[2016-11-16 23:36:57] mjones : 15 minutes bbands tight. last time it happened btc pumped
[2016-11-16 23:45:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.008985
[2016-11-16 23:50:37] mjones : xmr nice bounce 0.0081 to 0.009
[2016-11-16 23:51:36] Tetsuo : 0.006x soon
[2016-11-16 23:55:55] Tetsuo : Stamp has a nice 400BTC ask wall to test the market
[2016-11-17 00:07:35] rapidtrades : lol swapers exiting before funding? or ppl shorting to capture it
[2016-11-17 00:08:14] rapidtrades : holy crap zec at 12 cents
[2016-11-17 00:08:24] miramm1115 : still 4 hours to funding, lots of time
[2016-11-17 00:08:36] mjones : zec hits new lows and zec here goes 0.059 to 0.069
[2016-11-17 00:08:57] rapidtrades : well it's about time god damit
[2016-11-17 00:09:18] rapidtrades : u didn't expect the 66% discount to last forever?
[2016-11-17 00:09:40] miramm1115 : my bot made 0.003 btc on ZEC today from long :smile:
[2016-11-17 00:25:15] laisee : miramm1115: give the bot a holiday :-)
[2016-11-17 00:36:40] rapidtrades : WHERE THT PREMIUM
[2016-11-17 00:37:54] mjones : i'm waiting for a direction to be picked so i can fomo long or short
[2016-11-17 00:39:18] miramm1115 : laisee: I let it play with 20 ZEC for fun. Or should I say 'let her play' bc I'm sure it's a she :smile: She is unpredictable and wastes money on weird stuff like ZEC ;-)
[2016-11-17 00:59:50] mjones : shit should i have bought that dip
[2016-11-17 01:00:22] iefken : the only way is up, baby
[2016-11-17 01:00:30] iefken : isnt that a song or something
[2016-11-17 01:06:05] mjones : dang. couple more days till 16,000,000 BTC. only 5,000,000 to go
[2016-11-17 01:06:38] mjones : 2,288,616 will be mined till the next block half
[2016-11-17 01:06:52] mjones : lol if you're not in before the next block half. gg
[2016-11-17 01:27:05] zanza : sweet funding rate coming up guys
[2016-11-17 01:27:56] rapidtrades : mmmm
[2016-11-17 01:35:39] chromaticcr1 : lol @iefken martin garrix
[2016-11-17 01:40:31] mjones : bitfinex finding more buyers
[2016-11-17 01:41:12] mjones : $7 away from the next high and $42 away from 2016 high
[2016-11-17 01:41:52] rapidtrades : BUY ZEC
[2016-11-17 01:43:35] mjones : i dont think zec will ever move on this site again
[2016-11-17 01:44:19] rapidtrades : ZEC SHALL RISE AGAIN
[2016-11-17 01:48:44] XXXX : ZEC pump not possible for at least 6 months. It has to go around $15-20 first for an eventual pump to $100.
[2016-11-17 01:50:57] l3f : ffs I closed my long too early
[2016-11-17 01:50:59] l3f : top fucking kek
[2016-11-17 01:52:55] mjones : been trying to figure out when to get back in a long in case this goes towards 6000 CNY
[2016-11-17 01:53:49] Rado : 735
[2016-11-17 01:56:52] mjones : rekt bot doesnt people everything
[2016-11-17 01:56:58] mjones : doesnt post everything
[2016-11-17 01:57:06] Rado : I am short short nice 750
[2016-11-17 01:57:21] Rado : hopefully I can collect some funding
[2016-11-17 01:57:27] mjones : not bad
[2016-11-17 01:57:44] Rado : unless there is another push
[2016-11-17 01:58:10] Rado : I will love it if BTC doesn't move in the next 10 hours
[2016-11-17 01:58:15] Rado : :)
[2016-11-17 01:58:33] mjones : could very well go sideways for a bit
[2016-11-17 01:58:42] Rado : It should
[2016-11-17 01:58:51] Rado : also might dip a bit
[2016-11-17 01:58:59] Rado : that will be the best case for me
[2016-11-17 01:59:16] Rado : still have Dec 30 longs as well
[2016-11-17 01:59:29] Rado : playing both sides at the moment
[2016-11-17 01:59:59] mjones : price is the same as it was 7 hours ago now
[2016-11-17 02:01:53] Rado : Bitstamp is under 740, but okcoin needs to fall a bit
[2016-11-17 02:03:39] theinvestmentguy : how do you close an open "long" position?
[2016-11-17 02:05:10] BigDaddyBigDick : if you scroll to the side of the page where it shows your positions, itll have the option for you to either market close or limit close
[2016-11-17 02:05:54] theinvestmentguy : I see where it says "your position:"
[2016-11-17 02:06:05] theinvestmentguy : but dont see that option to close
[2016-11-17 02:06:06] Rado : War on Cash intensifies: Citibank to stop accepting cash at some branches
[2016-11-17 02:06:43] Rado : theinvestmentguy: you can enter a limit order to sell
[2016-11-17 02:07:38] theinvestmentguy : ok selling closed the position.
[2016-11-17 02:07:56] theinvestmentguy : thanks
[2016-11-17 02:08:17] theinvestmentguy : if I had multiple positions I would like to be able to select and close a particular one though
[2016-11-17 02:08:58] iefken : just buy the ones you cant to close then at the price you want
[2016-11-17 02:09:04] mjones : someone dumped a bit on okcoin
[2016-11-17 02:10:03] mjones : i drew some lines and say this breaks up or down within 3 hours
[2016-11-17 02:10:45] mjones : i'm gonna short some saying down will be most likely. lets see
[2016-11-17 02:11:07] Rado : mjones: do it :)
[2016-11-17 02:11:08] mjones : let me get some of that funding too
[2016-11-17 02:11:20] mjones : okay i'm ready. dump your corns now
[2016-11-17 02:14:47] viptrader : it's long time
[2016-11-17 02:15:17] mjones : in b4 i get rekt cause i shorted a bullrun
[2016-11-17 02:16:35] mjones : go figure. looked like it'll break down and dip buyers step in
[2016-11-17 02:16:52] viptrader : im long
[2016-11-17 02:16:58] viptrader : moon in the corer
[2016-11-17 02:17:04] viptrader : corner
[2016-11-17 02:17:23] BigDaddyBigDick : btd seems to be the go to right now. I did open a long as well in the last 15mins
[2016-11-17 02:18:00] mjones : well if this doesnt go down i'll cut my loses and fomo long
[2016-11-17 02:18:41] Rado : Now is not the time to go long
[2016-11-17 02:18:59] Rado : it was at 700-710 or 715
[2016-11-17 02:19:20] sleger : never to late to go long
[2016-11-17 02:19:25] BigDaddyBigDick : the trend is your friend
[2016-11-17 02:19:27] sleger : you guys werent born in 2013
[2016-11-17 02:19:30] BigDaddyBigDick : until it isint
[2016-11-17 02:19:34] mjones : the orderbook is so much fluff it can go either way till someone steps in
[2016-11-17 02:20:11] mjones : never 2 late to long. better now than $820
[2016-11-17 02:20:28] mjones : but if price goes down before it goes up then rekt on high leverage.
[2016-11-17 02:21:43] BigDaddyBigDick : the stability of the move so far has me impressed, even with the bear divs its tried playing out. Dip buyers just keep stepping up... for now anyways.
[2016-11-17 02:24:48] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/LaAFzOxI/
[2016-11-17 02:25:04] aethlios : epic break out daily candle approaching??
[2016-11-17 02:27:13] Rado : Nice chart
[2016-11-17 02:30:11] Rado : China is $40 higher
[2016-11-17 02:30:30] Rado : this spread will go down before another push imo
[2016-11-17 02:35:51] Jason7189 : www.tradingview.com/chart/nNUlQ8xc/
[2016-11-17 02:36:07] Jason7189 : Breakout within the next hour IMO.
[2016-11-17 02:36:18] Jason7189 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/nNUlQ8xc/
[2016-11-17 02:40:51] mjones : well lesson today is dont short xbtz16. it'll jump $6 when okcoin goes up $2
[2016-11-17 02:41:46] l3f : I had 40k entry on ZECZ16 with 730 entry
[2016-11-17 02:41:56] l3f : and I closed too fucking early
[2016-11-17 02:41:56] l3f : fml
[2016-11-17 02:42:04] l3f : should have waited a day
[2016-11-17 02:42:18] l3f : 40k entry @ 730
[2016-11-17 02:43:03] sleger : l3f: kind of like that one ?
[2016-11-17 02:43:04] sleger : XBTUSD -344249 462.5089 XBT 718.06
[2016-11-17 02:43:30] sleger : sorry meant that one :D XBTZ16 184346 231.4704 XBT 726.85
[2016-11-17 02:43:53] Newmex : if i close an xbt perpetual swap position before the funding rate in 1 hour for example, do i get to skip out on the fee?
[2016-11-17 02:44:07] sleger : unless you meant ZEC... in which case buying at 730 is a never seen before
[2016-11-17 02:44:15] sleger : Newmex: yes no fee
[2016-11-17 02:44:22] l3f : sleger: I mean XBT
[2016-11-17 02:44:22] l3f : derp
[2016-11-17 02:44:31] Newmex : ok ty
[2016-11-17 02:50:15] Newmex : and xbtz16 has no fees at all?
[2016-11-17 02:53:02] sleger : Newmex: why would you think that ?
[2016-11-17 02:53:27] elmorte : Usual maker/taker fees. Funding is just for swaps
[2016-11-17 02:53:32] sleger : Newmex: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-11-17 02:53:39] Newmex : well xbtusd says the funding rate is 0.375%...
[2016-11-17 02:53:52] Newmex : xbtz16 doesn't have an absurd fee like that it seems
[2016-11-17 02:54:19] mjones : right
[2016-11-17 02:54:23] mjones : xbtz16 = ftw
[2016-11-17 02:54:37] Newmex : wow. no kidding
[2016-11-17 02:54:45] Newmex : what the hell am i doing on perpetual swap...lol
[2016-11-17 02:54:51] mjones : once 0kcoin quarterly price gets so high it's hitting its limit and no one else can open a long they will all come to bitmex
[2016-11-17 02:55:12] sleger : paying fee duh
[2016-11-17 02:56:14] mjones : hmm i have question for bitmex. when will the next 100x xbtz16 open?
[2016-11-17 02:56:34] mjones : 2 weeks before the old one closes?
[2016-11-17 02:58:42] elmorte : That's just rude, old one's not even dead yet
[2016-11-17 02:59:20] sleger : yeah and who needs to roll a position....
[2016-11-17 02:59:59] sleger : someone trying to sell a lot of swap now
[2016-11-17 03:00:07] sleger : 200k orders coming on and off
[2016-11-17 03:01:08] Newmex : i mean i feel scammed lol so obv im going to sell all my swaps
[2016-11-17 03:01:09] sleger : 440k order
[2016-11-17 03:01:13] Newmex : if i can just do quarterlies for no fee
[2016-11-17 03:01:33] Newmex : not going to pay a huge fee if i can avoid it :P ?
[2016-11-17 03:01:38] sleger : Newmex: maybe (just maybe) that's why they dont trade at the same price...
[2016-11-17 03:01:58] Guest74016 : sleger: such insight
[2016-11-17 03:02:27] Tetsuo : 600k order , nice
[2016-11-17 03:03:21] iefken : doesnt he need to pay fee for that?
[2016-11-17 03:04:05] elmorte : Not the funding fee if he closes within the hour
[2016-11-17 03:04:06] Newmex : someone in here said if you sell your swaps before the funding rate is taken you dont need to pay the absurd fee
[2016-11-17 03:04:27] Jason7189 : BTC weekly futures trading at a 2% premium with settlement in roughly 30 Hours.
[2016-11-17 03:05:05] sleger : Newmex: yes i said that
[2016-11-17 03:05:43] Newmex : well thanks for that...much appreciated
[2016-11-17 03:05:45] Newmex : wish i knew this sooner
[2016-11-17 03:05:48] Rado : swap under the index price now
[2016-11-17 03:05:59] jose : Jason7189: where ?
[2016-11-17 03:06:08] sleger : Rado: BearMEX
[2016-11-17 03:06:24] Rado : because of the funding
[2016-11-17 03:06:34] Rado : under an hour now
[2016-11-17 03:06:58] sleger : funding never stops, happy to buy here, despite funding
[2016-11-17 03:07:09] Newmex : the funding rate was under 0.1% this morning
[2016-11-17 03:07:16] Newmex : how did it just jump to nearly 0.4% now?
[2016-11-17 03:07:24] Newmex : because everyone is long or what
[2016-11-17 03:07:28] Jason7189 : Okcoin I think.
[2016-11-17 03:07:29] Rado : Newmex: yep
[2016-11-17 03:07:34] jose : Newmex: rtfm
[2016-11-17 03:07:38] Newmex : wow...
[2016-11-17 03:08:33] elmorte : It changes every 8 hours...and what jose said
[2016-11-17 03:09:38] Newmex : idk about that..i think i will prefer to just trade the xbtz from now on.
[2016-11-17 03:10:16] jose : XBTUSD is for day trading
[2016-11-17 03:10:43] Newmex : oh ok. im looking to hold positions longer term..so i guess that's where i went wrong
[2016-11-17 03:10:45] Newmex : now i know :) thx
[2016-11-17 03:14:27] theinvestmentguy : what is commission cost on trades?
[2016-11-17 03:15:11] theinvestmentguy : found it, n.m.
[2016-11-17 03:19:21] mjones : Okcoin lol
[2016-11-17 03:19:27] mjones : Dumppp
[2016-11-17 03:20:43] mjones : See how the bots react
[2016-11-17 03:23:13] elmorte : CNY price is $785??
[2016-11-17 03:24:21] sleger : no it is 5335 cny
[2016-11-17 03:25:04] j8 : elmorte: thats how okc converts it, because they use the old usdcny=6.77
[2016-11-17 03:25:42] elmorte : j8: ah, thanks
[2016-11-17 03:25:55] elmorte : sleger: :p
[2016-11-17 03:26:47] theinvestmentguy : can anyone explain the difference between "taker fee" and "maker fee"?
[2016-11-17 03:27:14] j8 : the first letter is different
[2016-11-17 03:27:25] elmorte : maybe some investment guy can help
[2016-11-17 03:27:48] sleger : theinvestmentguy: it only depends on your color
[2016-11-17 03:28:09] elmorte : oh shit, sleger's going on another racist rant...
[2016-11-17 03:28:37] jose : theinvestmentguy: http://www.marketswiki.com/wiki/Maker-taker
[2016-11-17 03:29:56] elmorte : that link is confusing as fck...
[2016-11-17 03:30:09] jose : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq
[2016-11-17 03:30:16] elmorte : Good job @jose :)
[2016-11-17 03:30:41] elmorte : And here I thought you were actually trying to help the guy
[2016-11-17 03:30:56] theinvestmentguy : thanks for the links
[2016-11-17 03:31:39] sleger : theinvestmentguy: you're blue so you're paying the lower fee
[2016-11-17 03:32:35] iefken : if we get at funding rate, the positions remain right?
[2016-11-17 03:32:43] BitMEX_Wally : theinvestmentguy: I replied to your email questions
[2016-11-17 03:32:57] iefken : not like the settlement with eth etc
[2016-11-17 03:33:01] sleger : iefken: if you're short it remains wrong
[2016-11-17 03:33:12] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: hey wally, whoto bug for minor interface quirks?
[2016-11-17 03:33:17] elmorte : who to*
[2016-11-17 03:33:25] theinvestmentguy : thank you very much
[2016-11-17 03:33:57] Turbo : so, this is the future of Bitcoin trading huh?
[2016-11-17 03:34:29] elmorte : Mostly the present...
[2016-11-17 03:35:05] jose : elmorte: XBTZ16 is the future
[2016-11-17 03:35:33] j8 : guys only 25 minutes left to sell your longs and not pay the funding
[2016-11-17 03:35:52] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: Please email any bugs/quirks to support@bitmex.com
[2016-11-17 03:36:15] rapidtrades : COME TO ME FUNDING
[2016-11-17 03:36:23] elmorte : yeah, but that takes too much effort on mobile
[2016-11-17 03:39:04] sleger : math exercise : how many funding periods would it take to compensate for say... buying ZEC at 3 ?
[2016-11-17 03:40:01] elmorte : I need a bigger calculator...
[2016-11-17 03:40:47] jose : sleger: 300 days because ZEC is going to 0
[2016-11-17 03:41:16] elmorte : Although you could do it in a single period with a large enough contract
[2016-11-17 03:41:31] sleger : jose: and the math behind it is 3/1%=300 ?
[2016-11-17 03:41:55] j8 : ^ checks out
[2016-11-17 03:42:45] jose : sleger: if you bought 1 ZEC at 3 BTC, you are going to loose 3 BTC
[2016-11-17 03:42:55] sleger : jose: ok, and ...
[2016-11-17 03:43:07] sleger : why 300 days ?
[2016-11-17 03:43:28] elmorte : because the end of the world is nigh
[2016-11-17 03:43:46] jose : sleger: if you hold 1 BTC and get 900 funding at 0.375% every 8 hours, it will take less than 300 days to cover your loss if the price doesnt move
[2016-11-17 03:44:24] sleger : where does 900 come from ?
[2016-11-17 03:44:31] sleger : oh 3*300 ok
[2016-11-17 03:44:35] jose : sleger: 267 days
[2016-11-17 03:44:39] j8 : don't worry, the price won't move in the next 300 days
[2016-11-17 03:44:49] Rado : lol
[2016-11-17 03:45:10] Rado : sleger: could please you ask more interesting questions than that
[2016-11-17 03:45:37] elmorte : so I'm guessing rapid went long at 3?
[2016-11-17 03:45:45] sleger : jose: wouldnt you make 100% so 1 btc and not 3 ??
[2016-11-17 03:45:50] sleger : elmorte: 1 point for you
[2016-11-17 03:46:09] Rado : better than long at 3000
[2016-11-17 03:46:24] jose : i went long at 10
[2016-11-17 03:46:38] Rado : jose: ouch
[2016-11-17 03:46:40] sleger : hard to do worse
[2016-11-17 03:47:06] jose : impossible to do worse, the limit was 10 xD
[2016-11-17 03:47:27] sleger : 760
[2016-11-17 03:47:34] elmorte : I closed at 9 :/
[2016-11-17 03:48:21] elmorte : where's the funding discount damnit
[2016-11-17 03:48:57] Rado : I wonder if Bitfinex had no fees how much will the volume increase
[2016-11-17 03:49:51] elmorte : multiple times for sure, and that's not including ghost trades
[2016-11-17 03:49:59] Rado : I still can't believe the difference in volume between Chinese and none Chinese exchanges
[2016-11-17 03:50:30] iefken : Rado: lol first time i saw it i was 'wooow' aswell
[2016-11-17 03:50:41] elmorte : But check out the similarity in volume between Huob, Okc and BTCC
[2016-11-17 03:50:58] elmorte : almost identical on 30 days
[2016-11-17 03:51:14] Rado : elmorte: they all have 0 fees and all are Chinese
[2016-11-17 03:51:25] iefken : well distributed mining sales? :p
[2016-11-17 03:51:45] elmorte : I know, but they're almost identical in volume
[2016-11-17 03:51:58] elmorte : surely, traders have preferences
[2016-11-17 03:52:16] sleger : shurely, as jung1 would say
[2016-11-17 03:52:28] elmorte : what I'm saying is they're copying each other's volume
[2016-11-17 03:52:38] Dtrade16 : wow 760
[2016-11-17 03:52:43] Dtrade16 : that's crazy
[2016-11-17 03:52:56] iefken : 760 where
[2016-11-17 03:52:57] sleger : Dtrade16: hey that was my comment 5 min ago
[2016-11-17 03:54:06] Dtrade16 : bitfinex
[2016-11-17 03:54:14] Dtrade16 : why is the price soaring today?
[2016-11-17 03:54:41] Rado : Dtrade16: where have you been?
[2016-11-17 03:54:45] Dtrade16 : cadalyst?
[2016-11-17 03:54:54] Rado : I invested $1 Bill of my USD in BTC
[2016-11-17 03:54:57] Dtrade16 : Rado: out w my gf
[2016-11-17 03:54:58] Dtrade16 : :D
[2016-11-17 03:55:27] Rado : gf? are you 16?
[2016-11-17 03:55:39] Dtrade16 : no? lol
[2016-11-17 03:55:49] Rado : you should propose
[2016-11-17 03:55:53] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-17 03:56:44] elmorte : Rado: he's probably married
[2016-11-17 03:56:48] Rado : I guess we are going to make new highs
[2016-11-17 03:56:50] UncleWruncle : Dtrade16: don't do it man worst idea ever
[2016-11-17 03:56:59] Dtrade16 : lol
[2016-11-17 03:57:13] elmorte : no joke....don't do it
[2016-11-17 03:57:14] Dtrade16 : oh god I shouldn't said anything
[2016-11-17 03:57:18] XXXX : whoever is providing liquidity on XBTZ16 is doing a great job.
[2016-11-17 03:57:26] elmorte : 17500s? yeah
[2016-11-17 03:57:45] chaunceylee : anything
[2016-11-17 03:57:53] chaunceylee : anything wrong with bitmex
[2016-11-17 03:58:05] XXXX : yeah 17500s. easy to get in and out for most of the punters.
[2016-11-17 03:58:15] elmorte : chaunceylee: keeps taking my money
[2016-11-17 03:58:36] chaunceylee : why repeat messages
[2016-11-17 03:58:57] elmorte : are you connecting thru a repeater or direct?
[2016-11-17 03:59:22] chaunceylee : yes
[2016-11-17 03:59:23] chaunceylee : savevpn
[2016-11-17 03:59:35] elmorte : shhh...you can't say that out loud
[2016-11-17 03:59:42] Rado : lol
[2016-11-17 03:59:42] chaunceylee : I use vpn
[2016-11-17 03:59:49] elmorte : next thing you're gonna tell us is you're american
[2016-11-17 04:00:06] chaunceylee : nope
[2016-11-17 04:00:19] elmorte : smart, gotcha ;)
[2016-11-17 04:00:20] XXXX : chaunceylee: does that mean if you sell your profitable position you get twice the profit?? yum yum i need to look at this vpn thingy.
[2016-11-17 04:00:49] chaunceylee : I am allian
[2016-11-17 04:00:49] chaunceylee : allien
[2016-11-17 04:01:00] chaunceylee : from outspace
[2016-11-17 04:01:20] chaunceylee : far far away from earth
[2016-11-17 04:01:29] rapidtrades : 2 more sweet fundings coming up
[2016-11-17 04:01:43] elmorte : I think you from China man....Chauncey is a very chinese name
[2016-11-17 04:01:46] chaunceylee : aaahhh
[2016-11-17 04:01:48] elmorte : Ni hao brotha
[2016-11-17 04:02:02] chaunceylee : haha
[2016-11-17 04:02:12] theinvestmentguy : does the funding fee just get added to open positions? or credited to your account?
[2016-11-17 04:02:22] elmorte : the latter
[2016-11-17 04:02:29] theinvestmentguy : thanks
[2016-11-17 04:02:48] rapidtrades : THE LATTER
[2016-11-17 04:03:20] sleger : look in your trade history you should see something like this : XBTUSD Funding 291617 745.90 390.9592 XBT -0.3750% -1.466097 XBT
[2016-11-17 04:03:36] Rado : -0.100549 XBT
[2016-11-17 04:03:37] j8 : sleger loves showing off his big positions
[2016-11-17 04:03:39] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-11-17 04:03:48] rapidtrades : u got raped for 1k in funding?
[2016-11-17 04:03:52] XXXX : sleger: what -1.466097 XBT? man you are a whale.
[2016-11-17 04:04:12] sleger : rapidtrades: you dont know <0 means you receive ?
[2016-11-17 04:04:21] Rado : lol
[2016-11-17 04:04:21] elmorte : oh snap
[2016-11-17 04:04:25] Rado : I made 0.1 XBT
[2016-11-17 04:04:31] sleger : i closed part of the short before funding when there was discount
[2016-11-17 04:04:34] Rado : he made 1.46 XBT
[2016-11-17 04:04:50] elmorte : the rich get richer...
[2016-11-17 04:04:58] Rado : yeah
[2016-11-17 04:05:07] rapidtrades : i made peanuts cos mostly net long
[2016-11-17 04:05:28] aethlios : XBTUSD Funding 164320 745.90 220.2973 XBT -0.3750% -0.826115 XBT
[2016-11-17 04:05:39] elmorte : isn't it like 4/5am overthere dudes?
[2016-11-17 04:05:44] theinvestmentguy : I do not see the funding fee being credited in order history
[2016-11-17 04:05:52] aethlios : i am keeping it small here, better the weekly okcoin.
[2016-11-17 04:06:01] elmorte : theinvestmentguy: wallet
[2016-11-17 04:06:18] j8 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-11-17 04:06:23] rapidtrades : can't believe this rally is still going on, entering 40th day now
[2016-11-17 04:06:45] rapidtrades : really breaching the time limits of previous rallies here
[2016-11-17 04:06:47] elmorte : actually yeah trade history, sorry
[2016-11-17 04:07:00] theinvestmentguy : thanks for link
[2016-11-17 04:07:46] rapidtrades : Rado: @sleger u guys still net long?
[2016-11-17 04:07:54] sleger : yes
[2016-11-17 04:07:56] Rado : yes
[2016-11-17 04:08:02] theinvestmentguy : long positions pay fee, correct?
[2016-11-17 04:08:16] Rado : theinvestmentguy: not the Dec 30 long
[2016-11-17 04:08:17] viptrader : finex at 760
[2016-11-17 04:08:34] elmorte : I don't know rapid, seems like we been rallying since Jan '15
[2016-11-17 04:09:04] rapidtrades : elmorte: oh really...and that fall to $450 was just a retracement?
[2016-11-17 04:09:30] rapidtrades : over 40% drop
[2016-11-17 04:09:32] Rado : sleger: how do you close 300k short?
[2016-11-17 04:09:36] viptrader : bitmex should be 760 in few minutes
[2016-11-17 04:09:39] elmorte : a blip, just zoom out a bit