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[2016-11-16 20:44:10] aethlios : price in india now 105 usd above finex, so there are not only china but india gets in the game. soon europeans will join us. euro below 1.07, if 1.05 doesn't hold then 0.835 ahead
[2016-11-16 20:44:39] anonymous789 : yea the euro getting destroyed lol
[2016-11-16 20:45:33] CapitalGains : Hrmm... tempted to close my shorts now at -200% ROE
[2016-11-16 20:45:58] sleger : just do it
[2016-11-16 20:46:12] anonymous789 : always do your own research
[2016-11-16 20:46:25] anonymous789 : especially don't listen to people on troll box lol
[2016-11-16 20:46:45] CapitalGains : :)
[2016-11-16 20:47:02] Tetsuo : go 100xlong and recover your losses within an hour
[2016-11-16 20:47:06] arbitrage001 : can learn a lot from trollbox here
[2016-11-16 20:47:16] anonymous789 : 750 is a key resistance area, this is where it was rejected with force the last time on the daily
[2016-11-16 20:47:22] sleger : Tetsuo: i would limit to 50x
[2016-11-16 20:47:45] Tetsuo : sleger: i thought he ´s in the game for profit?
[2016-11-16 20:47:46] anonymous789 : so if it breaks this, i would certainly think twice about keepign a short open
[2016-11-16 20:47:56] sleger : yes but he is cautious
[2016-11-16 20:48:05] Tetsuo : sleger: ah heard of those folks
[2016-11-16 20:48:21] Tetsuo : should invest in bonds
[2016-11-16 20:48:25] anonymous789 : CapitalGains: you may be safe if it stays below 750 though at least for some further retracement
[2016-11-16 20:48:54] arbitrage001 : it will most likely make new high if china is involved
[2016-11-16 20:49:07] CapitalGains : I'm just hoping for a brief retrace so I can convert my short on Z16 into a long
[2016-11-16 20:49:56] CapitalGains : But the shorting business is a dangerous one, ask anyone who ever shorted ZEC
[2016-11-16 20:50:00] anonymous789 : CapitalGains: well if it were me in your shoes, i'd wait until confirmation of a continuation of the uptrend, i.e. break of the 750 area with high volume, then i'd look to close my short ASAP at a loss
[2016-11-16 20:50:07] anonymous789 : but that's what I would do
[2016-11-16 20:50:12] rapidtrades : rly....$50 premium?
[2016-11-16 20:50:24] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: GTFO
[2016-11-16 20:50:39] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: C'mon rapid, let's short Z16
[2016-11-16 20:50:40] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: good time to close long and go short
[2016-11-16 20:50:59] anonymous789 : arbitrage001: it could be if it makes lower lows and lower highs
[2016-11-16 20:51:22] sleger : 50 seems cheap
[2016-11-16 20:51:32] sleger : just china is 33$ higher
[2016-11-16 20:51:34] CapitalGains : Another question for the general public: why not buy a whole bunch of actual BTC now and short on Z16 purely for the $50 premium?
[2016-11-16 20:51:50] Tetsuo : we need a juicy 5-10k ask wall@ Stamp of Finex to convince folks to bring in more western money
[2016-11-16 20:52:00] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: many are doing it
[2016-11-16 20:52:03] sleger : CapitalGains: exchange default
[2016-11-16 20:52:30] CapitalGains : Then why is there still a $50 premium! :P
[2016-11-16 20:52:31] anonymous789 : unfortunately i don't know how the futures market for btc works on this exchange
[2016-11-16 20:52:39] aethlios : CapitalGains: nice interest for 44 days.
[2016-11-16 20:52:40] CapitalGains : Actually, I suppose it's because of the leverage
[2016-11-16 20:52:44] rapidtrades : im getting huge lag right now that I wasn't getting 3 hrs ago? sup bitmex
[2016-11-16 20:52:45] Tetsuo : anonymous789: u come to the right place
[2016-11-16 20:52:45] j8 : CapitalGains: many gamblers think they can make more than 6.7% or whatever with longs
[2016-11-16 20:52:55] anonymous789 : Tetsuo: hehe
[2016-11-16 20:53:14] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: some people use china exchange as reference
[2016-11-16 20:53:20] rapidtrades : laaaaaaag
[2016-11-16 20:53:24] arbitrage001 : and we have many chinese gamblers here
[2016-11-16 20:53:57] arbitrage001 : then the premium doesn't look so high
[2016-11-16 20:54:15] CapitalGains : Makes this a nice place to do arbitrage
[2016-11-16 20:54:36] rapidtrades : CapitalGains: arbitrage? where do u buy?
[2016-11-16 20:54:46] arbitrage001 : yes, if bitmex dont get "hacked"
[2016-11-16 20:54:52] arbitrage001 : or gox
[2016-11-16 20:55:03] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: I don't arbitrage, but I'd like to
[2016-11-16 20:55:17] CapitalGains : Don't have the capital, ironically
[2016-11-16 20:55:17] j8 : okc futures has almost 2% premium for a day and a half, that cuts into the 6.7% quarterly pretty fast
[2016-11-16 20:55:46] arbitrage001 : j8: more profit trading there then
[2016-11-16 20:56:25] rapidtrades : not rly, that index is 50% china
[2016-11-16 20:56:28] anonymous789 : what do you guys mean by arbitrage the premium? how do you do that on here?
[2016-11-16 20:56:42] j8 : i do both. but yeah gotta manage the china component
[2016-11-16 20:56:45] aethlios : j8: and with a nice rollover to next week, another 15 usd, so in 3 days almost 25 to 30 usd premium captured
[2016-11-16 20:57:30] j8 : yep on okc it's more like 3.4% for 35 days
[2016-11-16 20:57:42] rapidtrades : u can't capture shit unless u have CNY on exchange
[2016-11-16 20:58:07] rapidtrades : u can play and hope it Yuan doesn't devalue again but that#s not arbing
[2016-11-16 20:58:22] arbitrage001 : 3.5% for 35 days is worth taking currency risk
[2016-11-16 20:58:31] rapidtrades : prolly right
[2016-11-16 20:59:02] rapidtrades : but it lost 1.5% in october and over 1.5% this month so far
[2016-11-16 20:59:19] rapidtrades : and we're only at half
[2016-11-16 20:59:34] j8 : if you trade the quarterly at okc, most of the USDCNY change will be corrected for by then
[2016-11-16 20:59:39] arbitrage001 : if the premium is 5%, you still make 3.5%
[2016-11-16 21:00:11] j8 : it's more a matter of the china premium. cny deval affects the weekly though
[2016-11-16 21:00:56] rapidtrades : 3.1% devaluation in 45 days
[2016-11-16 21:04:24] j8 : there's really no risk free arbs in bitcoin. lots that are worth it though
[2016-11-16 21:07:14] arbitrage001 : if premium keep going up, i might blow up
[2016-11-16 21:07:25] arbitrage001 : they need to remove funding cap
[2016-11-16 21:07:48] j8 : yes they do
[2016-11-16 21:08:05] habibi : and 100x at same time but they won't, too much people asking for that crack i guess
[2016-11-16 21:09:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.008395
[2016-11-16 21:10:07] CapitalGains : 100x 0.375% = 37.5% funding
[2016-11-16 21:10:31] rapidtrades : 56 dollars now, crazy
[2016-11-16 21:11:13] CapitalGains : 800 breached
[2016-11-16 21:11:55] wurstgelee : bam
[2016-11-16 21:11:57] aethlios : 30 dec. 900 today okcoin
[2016-11-16 21:12:00] wurstgelee : okc new high
[2016-11-16 21:12:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 21500 @ 803.70 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-16 21:12:03] Rekted : game over
[2016-11-16 21:12:05] meh : sick volume :D
[2016-11-16 21:12:10] wurstgelee : wow
[2016-11-16 21:12:31] Rekted : happy christmas
[2016-11-16 21:12:56] rapidtrades : 62 dollrs, cos why not
[2016-11-16 21:13:26] jung1 : no way out
[2016-11-16 21:13:29] jung1 : looks same as in '13
[2016-11-16 21:13:41] j8 : i wonder if okc ever took that cap off the quarterly...
[2016-11-16 21:14:01] Rekted : USD is sleeping :'(
[2016-11-16 21:14:18] lockhedge : main mm is already sold out on the ask side? no 17500 orders left
[2016-11-16 21:14:29] aethlios : china and india leads to 1000
[2016-11-16 21:14:46] aethlios : parity to gold soon
[2016-11-16 21:14:59] CapitalGains : Shorts closed
[2016-11-16 21:15:01] arbitrage001 : when things go out of control, china and india gov usually step in
[2016-11-16 21:15:13] CapitalGains : -300% ROE, all in a good day's work :)
[2016-11-16 21:15:31] iefken : tough
[2016-11-16 21:15:38] habibi : CapitalGains: did u block ur friend numbers already on phone?
[2016-11-16 21:15:55] aethlios : finex usd rates 0.19% daily
[2016-11-16 21:15:58] CapitalGains : His money is fine, it just stopped me being liquidated
[2016-11-16 21:16:19] Tetsuo : give it a few days
[2016-11-16 21:16:25] habibi : yea famous last words
[2016-11-16 21:16:32] Tetsuo : then start converting into longs at the top
[2016-11-16 21:16:34] aethlios : demand for btc very high, lending rates and premiums across all fiat skyrocket.
[2016-11-16 21:17:07] aethlios : only kraken has cheap stable house lending 0.06% daily
[2016-11-16 21:17:57] iefken : https://www.kaiko.com/bitcoin-price
[2016-11-16 21:18:07] iefken : quiet impressive though
[2016-11-16 21:19:18] j8 : nice, we hit $1000 CAD
[2016-11-16 21:20:31] Rado : cool
[2016-11-16 21:20:32] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-16 21:24:24] jung1 : kurwa
[2016-11-16 21:24:27] jung1 : bitcoin is awesome
[2016-11-16 21:25:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.013590
[2016-11-16 21:26:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 40 @ 0.008707
[2016-11-16 21:28:51] mjones : a short would be nice on xbtz16 as it has a far ways to fall but who knows if china will dump this back down
[2016-11-16 21:29:32] iefken : well, china's price is way up and since they have like 99% of liquidity in btc
[2016-11-16 21:35:53] mjones : we will see if bitmex lags when this dumps and longs get margin called nonstop
[2016-11-16 21:36:31] mjones : okcoin hit 5499 and now 5450 so the top may be in and now we go sideways till the megadump
[2016-11-16 21:36:53] iefken : yup, little hesitation
[2016-11-16 21:37:20] mjones : maybe 5000 CNY will be support
[2016-11-16 21:38:41] iefken : nice order @ xbtusd :p
[2016-11-16 21:41:48] jung1 : finex $5 dump
[2016-11-16 21:42:46] Dtrade16 : 400+ sell on bitfinex
[2016-11-16 21:44:13] jung1 : finex chart looks crazy
[2016-11-16 21:44:14] jung1 : perfect bowl
[2016-11-16 21:44:58] CaptainDean : so the 4% difference price frmo China is based on the fact the undervalued their money for like 3% ?
[2016-11-16 21:45:58] CaptainDean : they*
[2016-11-16 21:49:00] j8 : the actual change in USDCNY was much smaller. they overreact
[2016-11-16 21:53:49] CapitalGains : Can't this megadump happen already so I can go to sleep
[2016-11-16 21:54:34] Tetsuo : dump from 2000 to 1000 would be brutal, but might take a few days
[2016-11-16 21:56:02] CapitalGains : I feel like if I leave my shorts open overnight, we'll hit $900, but if I close them, we'll retrace to $700, and if I set a limit at $820, it'll hit $820 and then retrace to $700.
[2016-11-16 21:56:17] Tetsuo : win win?
[2016-11-16 21:56:27] j8 : so leave em open
[2016-11-16 21:56:28] mjones : lol
[2016-11-16 21:56:36] wurstgelee : dont sleep
[2016-11-16 21:56:39] wurstgelee : problem solved
[2016-11-16 21:56:51] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: it's a really hard call
[2016-11-16 21:59:50] Tetsuo : CapitalGains: just ask yourself: " Do i believe in Satoshi , the one true master? Shall i short his child?"
[2016-11-16 22:00:22] CapitalGains : Tetsuo: You make a good case
[2016-11-16 22:00:23] iefken : put in another buy other you limit at 800/850
[2016-11-16 22:00:39] iefken : more possible profit
[2016-11-16 22:01:27] QuantFocus : CapitalGains: don't forget to buy in at the top
[2016-11-16 22:01:33] mjones : okcoin quarterly futures dumping a bit. i got a bunch of charts open
[2016-11-16 22:01:37] iefken : anyone a good site to see the liquidity of btc live globally?
[2016-11-16 22:01:37] CapitalGains : Thanks guys
[2016-11-16 22:01:49] CapitalGains : QuantFocus: Thanks to you in particular
[2016-11-16 22:02:12] mjones : here we gooooo
[2016-11-16 22:02:17] QuantFocus : CapitalGains: :thumbsup:
[2016-11-16 22:02:27] mjones : quarterly futures dumping big league
[2016-11-16 22:02:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 6000 @ 787.21
[2016-11-16 22:02:54] mjones : if this dumps huge and bitmex lags due to liquidations...
[2016-11-16 22:02:57] QuantFocus : feel that basis contract like a nice, tight little...
[2016-11-16 22:03:02] Tetsuo : mjones: soooon
[2016-11-16 22:03:55] mjones : dip buyers stepping in already. too soon. let it dump more
[2016-11-16 22:04:28] anonymous789 : from the technical analysis i did earlier should be some significant support at the 740 level
[2016-11-16 22:04:48] anonymous789 : see if i'm proved wrong
[2016-11-16 22:04:56] mjones : china at $774 so $774 to $740?
[2016-11-16 22:05:11] anonymous789 : i only look at the bitmex swap
[2016-11-16 22:05:14] mjones : oh ok
[2016-11-16 22:08:21] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/VEoK9EOi/
[2016-11-16 22:08:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10900 @ 740.38
[2016-11-16 22:08:30] aethlios : spot ready to pump
[2016-11-16 22:09:19] CapitalGains : aethlios: And I was just feeling relieved
[2016-11-16 22:09:43] anonymous789 : am i about to be proved wrong lol
[2016-11-16 22:09:43] Tetsuo : aethlios: stop posting bull FUD, this ponzi is about to collapse
[2016-11-16 22:09:45] aethlios : at the resistance now the spot, must break the roof
[2016-11-16 22:10:38] anonymous789 : if this does drop to 735ish i'll probably look for confirmation as to whether to close my long
[2016-11-16 22:10:41] iefken : what you mean with spot?
[2016-11-16 22:11:26] mjones : did okcoin find support or just stalling this dump for a bit
[2016-11-16 22:15:34] CapitalGains : mjones: What do you mean by woodchipper?
[2016-11-16 22:15:36] anonymous789 : RSI on the hourly no longer extremely overbought, just overbought now, so if it stays at this level for a few more hours, RSI could look neutral and with the higher highs and higher lows that would be bullish imo
[2016-11-16 22:16:22] Rekted : anonymous789: or it's going to be oversell
[2016-11-16 22:16:54] anonymous789 : Rekted: i think it's bullish if it stays around the 740 level
[2016-11-16 22:17:07] anonymous789 : if it drops to like 735 or below i think could start becoming oversell
[2016-11-16 22:17:30] Rekted : anonymous789: maybe nobody knows, lot of accumaltion today, it could drop really fast
[2016-11-16 22:17:47] anonymous789 : and i guess the next major support would be around the 720 level
[2016-11-16 22:18:01] habibi : Rekted: it doesn't make sense what u just said
[2016-11-16 22:18:36] BigDaddyBigDick : bear div on btccny 30min playing out. Probs see 5200cny at some point here
[2016-11-16 22:19:05] mjones : CapitalGains: 0kcoin
[2016-11-16 22:19:25] mjones : probably a big dump to scare top buyers and margin call those on 20x and higher leverage
[2016-11-16 22:21:29] mjones : or sideways and up like the last time. fun game we play
[2016-11-16 22:22:25] anonymous789 : so the daily RSI confirms a bullish scenario at the moment as that is not overbought into the extended territory
[2016-11-16 22:22:59] BigDaddyBigDick : id like to see a good shake out down to the long term trend line.
[2016-11-16 22:23:27] anonymous789 : i feel like we need to break the 750 level before see a significant drop
[2016-11-16 22:24:56] BigDaddyBigDick : i cant play this long or short right now tho, I have so much indecision. Just seems sketchy right now. Hard to judge it
[2016-11-16 22:25:53] wurstgelee : when in doubt, long. until not. ;)
[2016-11-16 22:26:26] anonymous789 : i used to be the same until i decided on a few indicators and imo the most important things = higher highs/higher lows = bullish, lower highs/lower lows bearish
[2016-11-16 22:26:34] anonymous789 : that appears to work for most of my trades
[2016-11-16 22:27:29] anonymous789 : RSI to look for entry/exit, MACD to determine the trend potential
[2016-11-16 22:27:44] anonymous789 : ATR for stops, but i'm not good with that so i don't set a stop anymore
[2016-11-16 22:28:41] BigDaddyBigDick : ya i trend to stick to divergences, wave theory and then just simple resistance/support for my entries.
[2016-11-16 22:29:09] anonymous789 : all good stuff
[2016-11-16 22:29:43] BigDaddyBigDick : definitely takes a while to find the combo that works for you tho.
[2016-11-16 22:30:46] anonymous789 : yeah i'm hoping this continues wrking. One thing that definitely works is trading crypto. Before this i was trading indices and was getting rekt
[2016-11-16 22:31:00] anonymous789 : the financial markets are completely manipulated to the tits
[2016-11-16 22:31:23] anonymous789 : and totally unpredictable imo
[2016-11-16 22:31:48] j8 : btc markets are not very efficient, which is good for the little guy
[2016-11-16 22:31:58] anonymous789 : <-- little guy :D
[2016-11-16 22:32:00] BigDaddyBigDick : i like crypto cuz the whales are significantly smaller than in stocks. They drag every move out so long that even if im on the right side i still get shaken out
[2016-11-16 22:32:05] Rado : anonymous789: also the markets close
[2016-11-16 22:32:11] Rado : this is a big problem for manipulation
[2016-11-16 22:32:13] anonymous789 : Rado: indeed
[2016-11-16 22:32:15] Rado : crypto is 24h
[2016-11-16 22:32:36] anonymous789 : well i was trading indices futures and they kinda trade nearly 24/7ish
[2016-11-16 22:32:45] anonymous789 : contracts
[2016-11-16 22:32:50] anonymous789 : CFD*
[2016-11-16 22:33:20] BigDaddyBigDick : thats what i used to trade, futures on the SP and then options
[2016-11-16 22:33:25] Rado : BTC-E is $50 bellow china
[2016-11-16 22:33:26] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 22:33:33] Rado : talk about arbitrage
[2016-11-16 22:33:36] anonymous789 : yea forget that shit got seriously destroyed lost a tonne of money lol
[2016-11-16 22:34:34] Rado : So longs will get charged 0.375% and yet we still have $3 premium
[2016-11-16 22:35:08] iefken : where can i find info on this premium?
[2016-11-16 22:35:09] BigDaddyBigDick : Yup, only big money wins in the ling term on this markets. Hard game to play
[2016-11-16 22:35:20] j8 : it's 5 hours away, nobody's paying anything until then
[2016-11-16 22:35:21] BigDaddyBigDick : those markets*
[2016-11-16 22:35:53] anonymous789 : yea look at the mess with donald trump being elected, Dow at ATHs lmfao who would have predicted that
[2016-11-16 22:36:02] anonymous789 : completely rigged market
[2016-11-16 22:36:52] BigDaddyBigDick : right aha election night was insane, the bear trap ws something like ive never seen. Futures down 5% overnight and then markets close the next day up 2% or something.
[2016-11-16 22:36:55] iefken : what you think, btc about to bear or bull?
[2016-11-16 22:37:15] anonymous789 : iefken: i'm bull because of RSI on the daily
[2016-11-16 22:37:35] anonymous789 : BigDaddyBigDick: yeah that was nuts
[2016-11-16 22:37:44] anonymous789 : BigDaddyBigDick: i'm never going near those markets ever again
[2016-11-16 22:37:50] rapidtrades : whats with the lag
[2016-11-16 22:37:53] rapidtrades : WTF
[2016-11-16 22:37:55] iefken : yea me 2 atm
[2016-11-16 22:38:36] wurstgelee : .
[2016-11-16 22:38:39] wurstgelee : test
[2016-11-16 22:38:41] wurstgelee : nope, fine
[2016-11-16 22:39:50] BigDaddyBigDick : anonymous789: ya i definitely dont miss playing in that mess. crypto is way more fun. Takes a lil bit to figure it all out at first, but once i did, i didint look back aha
[2016-11-16 22:40:15] anonymous789 : ^^
[2016-11-16 22:41:18] CaptainDean : 33
[2016-11-16 22:41:41] Rekted : can we open a long trade and a short trade on perpetual swap ?
[2016-11-16 22:41:58] Rekted : at same time
[2016-11-16 22:42:11] iefken : with different leverage i think you can, but havent tried it yet
[2016-11-16 22:42:33] j8 : if you really want to you would need 2 accounts, but you don't really want to
[2016-11-16 22:43:01] Rekted : j8: why you said that ?
[2016-11-16 22:44:07] j8 : the only reason to do that is to maybe let one get liquidated, you should just use stops
[2016-11-16 22:44:17] jung1 : Rekted: not pn same account
[2016-11-16 22:44:47] jung1 : Focus on one position
[2016-11-16 22:44:49] Rekted : j8: or catch the short when you don't want to close your long
[2016-11-16 22:45:07] jung1 : And dont get rekted
[2016-11-16 22:45:14] jung1 : :)
[2016-11-16 22:45:33] j8 : that's entirely psychological, but ok
[2016-11-16 22:47:46] jung1 : Huobi seem pushing price up
[2016-11-16 22:56:27] Tetsuo : I´m not going to sell my quarterlys below 1000$
[2016-11-16 22:59:36] sleger : they are precious
[2016-11-16 23:03:28] jung1 : Some moves
[2016-11-16 23:03:43] jung1 : Bullish as fck
[2016-11-16 23:03:45] iefken : on here yea, outside?
[2016-11-16 23:04:21] anonymous789 : so far looks like i was right about 740 being major support
[2016-11-16 23:04:37] iefken : yea, its keeping steady there
[2016-11-16 23:04:51] iefken : im ready for the next boost
[2016-11-16 23:05:00] anonymous789 : :D
[2016-11-16 23:06:42] jung1 : Huobi have higher lows
[2016-11-16 23:07:13] Rekted : anonymous789: well done
[2016-11-16 23:08:13] anonymous789 : Rekted: not yet, we need to see >750 sustained with volume ^^
[2016-11-16 23:12:42] Rekted : chart 30 min look fine
[2016-11-16 23:13:56] miramm1115 : didn't expect swap premium to get so high, I should allow for larger shorts here
[2016-11-16 23:16:59] mjones : if this dumps you can thank me for closing my short
[2016-11-16 23:17:49] mjones : then if i reshort it'll go up
[2016-11-16 23:19:27] jung1 : on huobi appers 850btc sell order for a moment
[2016-11-16 23:28:22] jung1 : what a fight
[2016-11-16 23:28:55] Tetsuo : U ALL BETTER FOMO BUY WITH 2 OR MORE HANDS BEFORE IT´S TOO LATE! CHEAP COINS WON´T LAST FOREVER!
[2016-11-16 23:30:34] jung1 : funny fact: ltc is all time low
[2016-11-16 23:30:36] jung1 : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcbtc
[2016-11-16 23:30:56] mjones : it was lower but bitcoinwisdom doesnt go back that far. plus ltc was like a penny back then so it doesnt really matter
[2016-11-16 23:31:15] jung1 : but $ is stronger now
[2016-11-16 23:31:20] mjones : all that matters is ltc holders long term = horrible decision
[2016-11-16 23:33:59] Tetsuo : they won´t keep a great coin down forever
[2016-11-16 23:34:50] mjones : ltc hashrate going up
[2016-11-16 23:35:10] Tetsuo : once it starts pumping , no hostages will be made
[2016-11-16 23:35:14] jung1 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCCNY/kpkSVmYX-BTCCNY/
[2016-11-16 23:35:19] jung1 : 3rd wave?
[2016-11-16 23:35:33] jung1 : <random lines on chart mode on>
[2016-11-16 23:35:36] mjones : yeah. 20x long ltc on 0kcoin quarterly. cant long ltc/btc here. get adl in a second
[2016-11-16 23:36:57] mjones : 15 minutes bbands tight. last time it happened btc pumped
[2016-11-16 23:45:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.008985
[2016-11-16 23:50:37] mjones : xmr nice bounce 0.0081 to 0.009
[2016-11-16 23:51:36] Tetsuo : 0.006x soon
[2016-11-16 23:55:55] Tetsuo : Stamp has a nice 400BTC ask wall to test the market
[2016-11-17 00:07:35] rapidtrades : lol swapers exiting before funding? or ppl shorting to capture it
[2016-11-17 00:08:14] rapidtrades : holy crap zec at 12 cents
[2016-11-17 00:08:24] miramm1115 : still 4 hours to funding, lots of time
[2016-11-17 00:08:36] mjones : zec hits new lows and zec here goes 0.059 to 0.069
[2016-11-17 00:08:57] rapidtrades : well it's about time god damit
[2016-11-17 00:09:18] rapidtrades : u didn't expect the 66% discount to last forever?
[2016-11-17 00:09:40] miramm1115 : my bot made 0.003 btc on ZEC today from long :smile:
[2016-11-17 00:25:15] laisee : miramm1115: give the bot a holiday :-)
[2016-11-17 00:36:40] rapidtrades : WHERE THT PREMIUM
[2016-11-17 00:37:54] mjones : i'm waiting for a direction to be picked so i can fomo long or short
[2016-11-17 00:39:18] miramm1115 : laisee: I let it play with 20 ZEC for fun. Or should I say 'let her play' bc I'm sure it's a she :smile: She is unpredictable and wastes money on weird stuff like ZEC ;-)
[2016-11-17 00:59:50] mjones : shit should i have bought that dip
[2016-11-17 01:00:22] iefken : the only way is up, baby
[2016-11-17 01:00:30] iefken : isnt that a song or something
[2016-11-17 01:06:05] mjones : dang. couple more days till 16,000,000 BTC. only 5,000,000 to go
[2016-11-17 01:06:38] mjones : 2,288,616 will be mined till the next block half
[2016-11-17 01:06:52] mjones : lol if you're not in before the next block half. gg
[2016-11-17 01:27:05] zanza : sweet funding rate coming up guys
[2016-11-17 01:27:56] rapidtrades : mmmm
[2016-11-17 01:35:39] chromaticcr1 : lol @iefken martin garrix
[2016-11-17 01:40:31] mjones : bitfinex finding more buyers
[2016-11-17 01:41:12] mjones : $7 away from the next high and $42 away from 2016 high
[2016-11-17 01:41:52] rapidtrades : BUY ZEC
[2016-11-17 01:43:35] mjones : i dont think zec will ever move on this site again
[2016-11-17 01:44:19] rapidtrades : ZEC SHALL RISE AGAIN
[2016-11-17 01:48:44] XXXX : ZEC pump not possible for at least 6 months. It has to go around $15-20 first for an eventual pump to $100.
[2016-11-17 01:50:57] l3f : ffs I closed my long too early
[2016-11-17 01:50:59] l3f : top fucking kek
[2016-11-17 01:52:55] mjones : been trying to figure out when to get back in a long in case this goes towards 6000 CNY
[2016-11-17 01:53:49] Rado : 735
[2016-11-17 01:56:52] mjones : rekt bot doesnt people everything
[2016-11-17 01:56:58] mjones : doesnt post everything
[2016-11-17 01:57:06] Rado : I am short short nice 750
[2016-11-17 01:57:21] Rado : hopefully I can collect some funding
[2016-11-17 01:57:27] mjones : not bad
[2016-11-17 01:57:44] Rado : unless there is another push
[2016-11-17 01:58:10] Rado : I will love it if BTC doesn't move in the next 10 hours
[2016-11-17 01:58:15] Rado : :)
[2016-11-17 01:58:33] mjones : could very well go sideways for a bit
[2016-11-17 01:58:42] Rado : It should
[2016-11-17 01:58:51] Rado : also might dip a bit
[2016-11-17 01:58:59] Rado : that will be the best case for me
[2016-11-17 01:59:16] Rado : still have Dec 30 longs as well
[2016-11-17 01:59:29] Rado : playing both sides at the moment
[2016-11-17 01:59:59] mjones : price is the same as it was 7 hours ago now
[2016-11-17 02:01:53] Rado : Bitstamp is under 740, but okcoin needs to fall a bit
[2016-11-17 02:03:39] theinvestmentguy : how do you close an open "long" position?
[2016-11-17 02:05:10] BigDaddyBigDick : if you scroll to the side of the page where it shows your positions, itll have the option for you to either market close or limit close
[2016-11-17 02:05:54] theinvestmentguy : I see where it says "your position:"
[2016-11-17 02:06:05] theinvestmentguy : but dont see that option to close
[2016-11-17 02:06:06] Rado : War on Cash intensifies: Citibank to stop accepting cash at some branches
[2016-11-17 02:06:43] Rado : theinvestmentguy: you can enter a limit order to sell
[2016-11-17 02:07:38] theinvestmentguy : ok selling closed the position.
[2016-11-17 02:07:56] theinvestmentguy : thanks
[2016-11-17 02:08:17] theinvestmentguy : if I had multiple positions I would like to be able to select and close a particular one though
[2016-11-17 02:08:58] iefken : just buy the ones you cant to close then at the price you want
[2016-11-17 02:09:04] mjones : someone dumped a bit on okcoin
[2016-11-17 02:10:03] mjones : i drew some lines and say this breaks up or down within 3 hours
[2016-11-17 02:10:45] mjones : i'm gonna short some saying down will be most likely. lets see
[2016-11-17 02:11:07] Rado : mjones: do it :)
[2016-11-17 02:11:08] mjones : let me get some of that funding too
[2016-11-17 02:11:20] mjones : okay i'm ready. dump your corns now
[2016-11-17 02:14:47] viptrader : it's long time
[2016-11-17 02:15:17] mjones : in b4 i get rekt cause i shorted a bullrun
[2016-11-17 02:16:35] mjones : go figure. looked like it'll break down and dip buyers step in
[2016-11-17 02:16:52] viptrader : im long
[2016-11-17 02:16:58] viptrader : moon in the corer
[2016-11-17 02:17:04] viptrader : corner
[2016-11-17 02:17:23] BigDaddyBigDick : btd seems to be the go to right now. I did open a long as well in the last 15mins
[2016-11-17 02:18:00] mjones : well if this doesnt go down i'll cut my loses and fomo long
[2016-11-17 02:18:41] Rado : Now is not the time to go long
[2016-11-17 02:18:59] Rado : it was at 700-710 or 715
[2016-11-17 02:19:20] sleger : never to late to go long
[2016-11-17 02:19:25] BigDaddyBigDick : the trend is your friend
[2016-11-17 02:19:27] sleger : you guys werent born in 2013
[2016-11-17 02:19:30] BigDaddyBigDick : until it isint
[2016-11-17 02:19:34] mjones : the orderbook is so much fluff it can go either way till someone steps in
[2016-11-17 02:20:11] mjones : never 2 late to long. better now than $820
[2016-11-17 02:20:28] mjones : but if price goes down before it goes up then rekt on high leverage.
[2016-11-17 02:21:43] BigDaddyBigDick : the stability of the move so far has me impressed, even with the bear divs its tried playing out. Dip buyers just keep stepping up... for now anyways.
[2016-11-17 02:24:48] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/LaAFzOxI/
[2016-11-17 02:25:04] aethlios : epic break out daily candle approaching??
[2016-11-17 02:27:13] Rado : Nice chart
[2016-11-17 02:30:11] Rado : China is $40 higher
[2016-11-17 02:30:30] Rado : this spread will go down before another push imo
[2016-11-17 02:35:51] Jason7189 : www.tradingview.com/chart/nNUlQ8xc/
[2016-11-17 02:36:07] Jason7189 : Breakout within the next hour IMO.
[2016-11-17 02:36:18] Jason7189 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/nNUlQ8xc/
[2016-11-17 02:40:51] mjones : well lesson today is dont short xbtz16. it'll jump $6 when okcoin goes up $2
[2016-11-17 02:41:46] l3f : I had 40k entry on ZECZ16 with 730 entry
[2016-11-17 02:41:56] l3f : and I closed too fucking early
[2016-11-17 02:41:56] l3f : fml
[2016-11-17 02:42:04] l3f : should have waited a day
[2016-11-17 02:42:18] l3f : 40k entry @ 730
[2016-11-17 02:43:03] sleger : l3f: kind of like that one ?
[2016-11-17 02:43:04] sleger : XBTUSD -344249 462.5089 XBT 718.06
[2016-11-17 02:43:30] sleger : sorry meant that one :D XBTZ16 184346 231.4704 XBT 726.85
[2016-11-17 02:43:53] Newmex : if i close an xbt perpetual swap position before the funding rate in 1 hour for example, do i get to skip out on the fee?
[2016-11-17 02:44:07] sleger : unless you meant ZEC... in which case buying at 730 is a never seen before
[2016-11-17 02:44:15] sleger : Newmex: yes no fee
[2016-11-17 02:44:22] l3f : sleger: I mean XBT
[2016-11-17 02:44:22] l3f : derp
[2016-11-17 02:44:31] Newmex : ok ty
[2016-11-17 02:50:15] Newmex : and xbtz16 has no fees at all?
[2016-11-17 02:53:02] sleger : Newmex: why would you think that ?
[2016-11-17 02:53:27] elmorte : Usual maker/taker fees. Funding is just for swaps
[2016-11-17 02:53:32] sleger : Newmex: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-11-17 02:53:39] Newmex : well xbtusd says the funding rate is 0.375%...
[2016-11-17 02:53:52] Newmex : xbtz16 doesn't have an absurd fee like that it seems
[2016-11-17 02:54:19] mjones : right
[2016-11-17 02:54:23] mjones : xbtz16 = ftw
[2016-11-17 02:54:37] Newmex : wow. no kidding
[2016-11-17 02:54:45] Newmex : what the hell am i doing on perpetual swap...lol
[2016-11-17 02:54:51] mjones : once 0kcoin quarterly price gets so high it's hitting its limit and no one else can open a long they will all come to bitmex
[2016-11-17 02:55:12] sleger : paying fee duh
[2016-11-17 02:56:14] mjones : hmm i have question for bitmex. when will the next 100x xbtz16 open?
[2016-11-17 02:56:34] mjones : 2 weeks before the old one closes?
[2016-11-17 02:58:42] elmorte : That's just rude, old one's not even dead yet
[2016-11-17 02:59:20] sleger : yeah and who needs to roll a position....
[2016-11-17 02:59:59] sleger : someone trying to sell a lot of swap now
[2016-11-17 03:00:07] sleger : 200k orders coming on and off
[2016-11-17 03:01:08] Newmex : i mean i feel scammed lol so obv im going to sell all my swaps
[2016-11-17 03:01:09] sleger : 440k order
[2016-11-17 03:01:13] Newmex : if i can just do quarterlies for no fee
[2016-11-17 03:01:33] Newmex : not going to pay a huge fee if i can avoid it :P ?
[2016-11-17 03:01:38] sleger : Newmex: maybe (just maybe) that's why they dont trade at the same price...
[2016-11-17 03:01:58] Guest74016 : sleger: such insight
[2016-11-17 03:02:27] Tetsuo : 600k order , nice
[2016-11-17 03:03:21] iefken : doesnt he need to pay fee for that?
[2016-11-17 03:04:05] elmorte : Not the funding fee if he closes within the hour
[2016-11-17 03:04:06] Newmex : someone in here said if you sell your swaps before the funding rate is taken you dont need to pay the absurd fee
[2016-11-17 03:04:27] Jason7189 : BTC weekly futures trading at a 2% premium with settlement in roughly 30 Hours.
[2016-11-17 03:05:05] sleger : Newmex: yes i said that
[2016-11-17 03:05:43] Newmex : well thanks for that...much appreciated
[2016-11-17 03:05:45] Newmex : wish i knew this sooner
[2016-11-17 03:05:48] Rado : swap under the index price now
[2016-11-17 03:05:59] jose : Jason7189: where ?
[2016-11-17 03:06:08] sleger : Rado: BearMEX
[2016-11-17 03:06:24] Rado : because of the funding
[2016-11-17 03:06:34] Rado : under an hour now
[2016-11-17 03:06:58] sleger : funding never stops, happy to buy here, despite funding
[2016-11-17 03:07:09] Newmex : the funding rate was under 0.1% this morning
[2016-11-17 03:07:16] Newmex : how did it just jump to nearly 0.4% now?
[2016-11-17 03:07:24] Newmex : because everyone is long or what
[2016-11-17 03:07:28] Jason7189 : Okcoin I think.
[2016-11-17 03:07:29] Rado : Newmex: yep
[2016-11-17 03:07:34] jose : Newmex: rtfm
[2016-11-17 03:07:38] Newmex : wow...
[2016-11-17 03:08:33] elmorte : It changes every 8 hours...and what jose said
[2016-11-17 03:09:38] Newmex : idk about that..i think i will prefer to just trade the xbtz from now on.
[2016-11-17 03:10:16] jose : XBTUSD is for day trading
[2016-11-17 03:10:43] Newmex : oh ok. im looking to hold positions longer term..so i guess that's where i went wrong
[2016-11-17 03:10:45] Newmex : now i know :) thx
[2016-11-17 03:14:27] theinvestmentguy : what is commission cost on trades?
[2016-11-17 03:15:11] theinvestmentguy : found it, n.m.
[2016-11-17 03:19:21] mjones : Okcoin lol
[2016-11-17 03:19:27] mjones : Dumppp
[2016-11-17 03:20:43] mjones : See how the bots react
[2016-11-17 03:23:13] elmorte : CNY price is $785??
[2016-11-17 03:24:21] sleger : no it is 5335 cny
[2016-11-17 03:25:04] j8 : elmorte: thats how okc converts it, because they use the old usdcny=6.77
[2016-11-17 03:25:42] elmorte : j8: ah, thanks
[2016-11-17 03:25:55] elmorte : sleger: :p
[2016-11-17 03:26:47] theinvestmentguy : can anyone explain the difference between "taker fee" and "maker fee"?
[2016-11-17 03:27:14] j8 : the first letter is different
[2016-11-17 03:27:25] elmorte : maybe some investment guy can help
[2016-11-17 03:27:48] sleger : theinvestmentguy: it only depends on your color
[2016-11-17 03:28:09] elmorte : oh shit, sleger's going on another racist rant...
[2016-11-17 03:28:37] jose : theinvestmentguy: http://www.marketswiki.com/wiki/Maker-taker
[2016-11-17 03:29:56] elmorte : that link is confusing as fck...
[2016-11-17 03:30:09] jose : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq
[2016-11-17 03:30:16] elmorte : Good job @jose :)
[2016-11-17 03:30:41] elmorte : And here I thought you were actually trying to help the guy
[2016-11-17 03:30:56] theinvestmentguy : thanks for the links
[2016-11-17 03:31:39] sleger : theinvestmentguy: you're blue so you're paying the lower fee
[2016-11-17 03:32:35] iefken : if we get at funding rate, the positions remain right?
[2016-11-17 03:32:43] BitMEX_Wally : theinvestmentguy: I replied to your email questions
[2016-11-17 03:32:57] iefken : not like the settlement with eth etc
[2016-11-17 03:33:01] sleger : iefken: if you're short it remains wrong
[2016-11-17 03:33:12] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: hey wally, whoto bug for minor interface quirks?
[2016-11-17 03:33:17] elmorte : who to*
[2016-11-17 03:33:25] theinvestmentguy : thank you very much
[2016-11-17 03:33:57] Turbo : so, this is the future of Bitcoin trading huh?
[2016-11-17 03:34:29] elmorte : Mostly the present...
[2016-11-17 03:35:05] jose : elmorte: XBTZ16 is the future
[2016-11-17 03:35:33] j8 : guys only 25 minutes left to sell your longs and not pay the funding
[2016-11-17 03:35:52] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: Please email any bugs/quirks to support@bitmex.com
[2016-11-17 03:36:15] rapidtrades : COME TO ME FUNDING
[2016-11-17 03:36:23] elmorte : yeah, but that takes too much effort on mobile
[2016-11-17 03:39:04] sleger : math exercise : how many funding periods would it take to compensate for say... buying ZEC at 3 ?
[2016-11-17 03:40:01] elmorte : I need a bigger calculator...
[2016-11-17 03:40:47] jose : sleger: 300 days because ZEC is going to 0
[2016-11-17 03:41:16] elmorte : Although you could do it in a single period with a large enough contract
[2016-11-17 03:41:31] sleger : jose: and the math behind it is 3/1%=300 ?
[2016-11-17 03:41:55] j8 : ^ checks out
[2016-11-17 03:42:45] jose : sleger: if you bought 1 ZEC at 3 BTC, you are going to loose 3 BTC
[2016-11-17 03:42:55] sleger : jose: ok, and ...
[2016-11-17 03:43:07] sleger : why 300 days ?
[2016-11-17 03:43:28] elmorte : because the end of the world is nigh
[2016-11-17 03:43:46] jose : sleger: if you hold 1 BTC and get 900 funding at 0.375% every 8 hours, it will take less than 300 days to cover your loss if the price doesnt move
[2016-11-17 03:44:24] sleger : where does 900 come from ?
[2016-11-17 03:44:31] sleger : oh 3*300 ok
[2016-11-17 03:44:35] jose : sleger: 267 days
[2016-11-17 03:44:39] j8 : don't worry, the price won't move in the next 300 days
[2016-11-17 03:44:49] Rado : lol
[2016-11-17 03:45:10] Rado : sleger: could please you ask more interesting questions than that
[2016-11-17 03:45:37] elmorte : so I'm guessing rapid went long at 3?
[2016-11-17 03:45:45] sleger : jose: wouldnt you make 100% so 1 btc and not 3 ??
[2016-11-17 03:45:50] sleger : elmorte: 1 point for you
[2016-11-17 03:46:09] Rado : better than long at 3000
[2016-11-17 03:46:24] jose : i went long at 10
[2016-11-17 03:46:38] Rado : jose: ouch
[2016-11-17 03:46:40] sleger : hard to do worse
[2016-11-17 03:47:06] jose : impossible to do worse, the limit was 10 xD
[2016-11-17 03:47:27] sleger : 760
[2016-11-17 03:47:34] elmorte : I closed at 9 :/
[2016-11-17 03:48:21] elmorte : where's the funding discount damnit
[2016-11-17 03:48:57] Rado : I wonder if Bitfinex had no fees how much will the volume increase
[2016-11-17 03:49:51] elmorte : multiple times for sure, and that's not including ghost trades