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[2016-11-16 19:02:27] sleger : Dtrade16: gold should be in the 1000s ?
[2016-11-16 19:02:37] sleger : unlike now ?
[2016-11-16 19:03:52] Dtrade16 : I mean like 4000-5000k
[2016-11-16 19:03:58] Dtrade16 : way more than what it is now
[2016-11-16 19:04:12] sleger : 5000k ? wow that's a lot
[2016-11-16 19:04:16] sleger : 5 million dollars ????
[2016-11-16 19:04:20] Dtrade16 : its growth is pathetic given its immense value
[2016-11-16 19:04:25] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-16 19:04:51] Dtrade16 : you have governments stealing ppls money and gold is barely moving
[2016-11-16 19:04:51] sleger : this guy must have skipped kindergarten math school ...
[2016-11-16 19:05:09] Dtrade16 : Not really a lot
[2016-11-16 19:05:19] Dtrade16 : Given the supply and demand concept
[2016-11-16 19:05:32] wurstgelee : gold should be worth 4-5m $?
[2016-11-16 19:05:41] sleger : it only needs to go up a few thousand times
[2016-11-16 19:05:41] dasdfasdf : market cap
[2016-11-16 19:05:53] QuantFocus : long gold
[2016-11-16 19:05:53] Dtrade16 : It should be worth well over 1200
[2016-11-16 19:05:56] sleger : "dasdfasdf: market cap" lol
[2016-11-16 19:06:07] sleger : 5 million $ market cap for gold
[2016-11-16 19:06:14] dasdfasdf : sleger: all in
[2016-11-16 19:06:25] sleger : you probably dont know what you are saying
[2016-11-16 19:06:33] Dtrade16 : Ok I don't
[2016-11-16 19:06:40] sleger : just words put together and vomitted all at once
[2016-11-16 19:06:56] Dtrade16 : I'm saying gold is heavily manipulated
[2016-11-16 19:07:08] sleger : you also said it should be worth "5000k"
[2016-11-16 19:07:17] sleger : after saying it should be in the "1000s"
[2016-11-16 19:07:43] Dtrade16 : I mean $4000-5000
[2016-11-16 19:08:43] Dtrade16 : Given time, supply and demand it hasn't moved
[2016-11-16 19:08:45] Dtrade16 : At all
[2016-11-16 19:09:01] Dtrade16 : You don't think that's a little weird?
[2016-11-16 19:09:26] sleger : "Dtrade16: Given time, supply and demand it hasn't moved" <= that kind of sentence is what i find weird
[2016-11-16 19:11:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 363 @ 740.91
[2016-11-16 19:11:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10130 @ 741.66
[2016-11-16 19:11:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 20012 @ 741.99 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-16 19:11:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10000 @ 741.69
[2016-11-16 19:11:32] QuantFocus : there we go
[2016-11-16 19:11:53] chromaticcr1 : lol
[2016-11-16 19:12:07] chromaticcr1 : bye bye hokkers and blow funds
[2016-11-16 19:12:22] sleger : poor insurance fund
[2016-11-16 19:12:28] QuantFocus : omg
[2016-11-16 19:12:32] REKT : All aboard the MOON train!
[2016-11-16 19:12:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 525 @ 796.78
[2016-11-16 19:12:34] imabeast : holy shiz
[2016-11-16 19:12:40] chromaticcr1 : 760
[2016-11-16 19:13:01] chromaticcr1 : 763 I am jizzing all over
[2016-11-16 19:13:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.008507
[2016-11-16 19:13:14] shiroe : 777 woot woot.
[2016-11-16 19:13:24] viptrader : mooon time
[2016-11-16 19:14:33] Dtrade16 : sleger: what's weird about it?
[2016-11-16 19:15:07] wurstgelee : so this is what we've been training for all 2015? ;)
[2016-11-16 19:15:24] chromaticcr1 : santa is coming to town
[2016-11-16 19:15:36] Dtrade16 : It's simple, as time goes by, less gold will be available, more people will be around, more people will also have more money
[2016-11-16 19:15:58] sleger : " less gold will be available"" ?
[2016-11-16 19:16:05] Rekted : if we break 5400 will be funny
[2016-11-16 19:16:12] jung1 : wurstgelee: cant wait to short it at 1500
[2016-11-16 19:16:19] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-16 19:16:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 6000 @ 744.60
[2016-11-16 19:16:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 25 @ 744.68
[2016-11-16 19:16:34] jung1 : this time I will not missed it
[2016-11-16 19:16:35] jung1 : no way
[2016-11-16 19:16:43] wurstgelee : eth in free fall mode
[2016-11-16 19:16:51] Dtrade16 : sleger: yes
[2016-11-16 19:16:56] jung1 : like all altoicoins
[2016-11-16 19:17:01] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: btc is going up, just keep the same ratio ...
[2016-11-16 19:17:01] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-16 19:17:09] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: keeping the same ratio**
[2016-11-16 19:17:13] anonymous789 : so i just came back after a few hours, looks like technical analysis working good still
[2016-11-16 19:17:25] anonymous789 : still holding my long from 705
[2016-11-16 19:17:27] Dtrade16 : sleger: people buy gold and hold it
[2016-11-16 19:17:30] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: i have no clue what you are talking about. what ratio?
[2016-11-16 19:17:31] CaptainDean : glad I sold all ETH at 0.0.1446 yestuday
[2016-11-16 19:17:34] thomaskikansha : alts in all red :)
[2016-11-16 19:17:34] jung1 : fml why I closed my big long from 702
[2016-11-16 19:17:37] jung1 : ehhhh
[2016-11-16 19:17:45] sleger : let me guess...
[2016-11-16 19:17:50] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: about 10$ each ETH
[2016-11-16 19:18:00] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: ah yes
[2016-11-16 19:18:04] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: from BTC price
[2016-11-16 19:18:15] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: english isn't my first language sorry about that
[2016-11-16 19:18:15] wurstgelee : i short them with btc ..
[2016-11-16 19:18:18] wurstgelee : so idc about $
[2016-11-16 19:18:18] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-16 19:18:23] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: :D
[2016-11-16 19:18:33] wurstgelee : not mine either
[2016-11-16 19:18:51] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: what's yours ?
[2016-11-16 19:19:01] anonymous789 : if it breaks through this with some volume, next key resistance is around the 770 mark
[2016-11-16 19:19:23] CaptainDean : I want to short but hoooooo this is risky !
[2016-11-16 19:19:47] anonymous789 : you should hold and wait for confirmation before the short, i.e. lower highs and lower lows
[2016-11-16 19:19:50] Dtrade16 : Why are ppl even buying if the news is bs
[2016-11-16 19:20:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: Sell 100000 @ 0.00001044
[2016-11-16 19:20:02] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: what is your first language ?
[2016-11-16 19:20:14] wurstgelee : german
[2016-11-16 19:21:01] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: cool mine is french
[2016-11-16 19:21:08] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-16 19:22:07] Dtrade16 : sleger: no more objections?
[2016-11-16 19:22:26] sleger : Dtrade16: ever heard of gold miners ?
[2016-11-16 19:22:32] anonymous789 : on the weekly this area around the 750 mark looks to be incredibly strong key resistance. Literally could go to the moon if it breaks this
[2016-11-16 19:23:35] shiroe : waiting for xmr rebound and btc to find support.. woooo risky trade.
[2016-11-16 19:24:22] anonymous789 : if it gets to all time high levels i'm gonna gamble and short, won't even bother waiting for confirmation of the short lol
[2016-11-16 19:24:31] shiroe : too many sells on houbi but it always ends up green. lol
[2016-11-16 19:24:54] mjones : Zec almost new low and price went up here lol
[2016-11-16 19:25:34] sleger : any admin ?
[2016-11-16 19:25:39] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: hi
[2016-11-16 19:25:51] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: Hello, could you please check the mark price of xbj7d
[2016-11-16 19:26:03] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: xbjz16 wake up mm there :)
[2016-11-16 19:26:09] BitMEX_Greg : sec
[2016-11-16 19:26:17] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: it is stuck at 80969 although there have been many trades above, impactbidprice is also higher etc....
[2016-11-16 19:26:19] anonymous789 : RSI still hasn't extended into overbought area on the daily, i think this is going to break 750 quite solidly
[2016-11-16 19:27:05] anonymous789 : MACD is also looking bullish
[2016-11-16 19:29:14] mjones : 700,000 xbtz16 shorts not in profit. Rekt em
[2016-11-16 19:30:08] j8 : mjones: double that
[2016-11-16 19:31:16] anonymous789 : could see a small correction here, overbought on the RSI on the hourly
[2016-11-16 19:31:40] anonymous789 : anyone else have some opinions?
[2016-11-16 19:31:55] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: This is last price protected I believe
[2016-11-16 19:31:57] QuantFocus : think we need to see a little contraction on the xbtz basis
[2016-11-16 19:32:09] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: correct, but i dont understand why it was stuck there
[2016-11-16 19:32:28] BitMEX_Greg : Were you looking at Index price or the Last Price?
[2016-11-16 19:32:30] sleger : is there a page that explains in details how it works ? @BitMEX_Greg Looked but couldnt find one
[2016-11-16 19:32:51] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: i was looking at mark price, and both last, impact bid and impact ask were higher than mark
[2016-11-16 19:33:04] BitMEX_Greg : Don't think we have added the documentation yet regarding LPP. Let me see if I can find something
[2016-11-16 19:33:21] BitMEX_Greg : We don't show mark. We show only Last price and Index price
[2016-11-16 19:33:31] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: i see mark in my open positions
[2016-11-16 19:33:45] sleger : XBJ7D 263107 323.2085 XBT 79045 81405 <- there
[2016-11-16 19:34:00] BitMEX_Greg : Yup ok I see what you mean
[2016-11-16 19:34:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 8000 @ 800.39
[2016-11-16 19:34:04] wurstgelee : oh boy...
[2016-11-16 19:34:09] anonymous789 : correction at this level i imagine wouldn't go lower than 740 since that was a decent resistance area and will probably become support
[2016-11-16 19:34:11] BitMEX_Greg : I''ll need to check with Wally later
[2016-11-16 19:34:14] QuantFocus : woahhh
[2016-11-16 19:34:20] anonymous789 : oh here we go
[2016-11-16 19:34:22] sebaas : ouch
[2016-11-16 19:34:24] anonymous789 : we broke 750
[2016-11-16 19:34:28] anonymous789 : next stop 770 i think
[2016-11-16 19:34:32] anonymous789 : then i don't know
[2016-11-16 19:34:33] anonymous789 : lol
[2016-11-16 19:34:44] jung1 : crazy mothefcker
[2016-11-16 19:35:20] anonymous789 : if the daily becomes overbought on the RSI and extends, i'll be looking to close my long and perhaps open a short
[2016-11-16 19:35:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 45 @ 0.008139
[2016-11-16 19:35:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 18 @ 0.008140
[2016-11-16 19:35:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 7980 @ 746.95
[2016-11-16 19:36:03] jung1 : any idead on what level it might happen?
[2016-11-16 19:36:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.001239
[2016-11-16 19:36:21] anonymous789 : i think the correction maybe just as impressive as the rise lol
[2016-11-16 19:36:43] anonymous789 : jung1: the daily is borderline overbought right now
[2016-11-16 19:36:43] jung1 : hope so!
[2016-11-16 19:36:58] anonymous789 : but i would like to see it extend first before i close my long
[2016-11-16 19:37:12] Dtrade16 : wow
[2016-11-16 19:37:22] anonymous789 : around the 80+ level on the RSI and i'm looking to close my long i think
[2016-11-16 19:37:29] anonymous789 : on teh daily that is
[2016-11-16 19:38:23] anonymous789 : either that or a touch of 770 and correction back to 750 may signal a short term correction back down to the 720 level
[2016-11-16 19:38:48] anonymous789 : anyway this is just my opinion
[2016-11-16 19:40:27] sleger : jung1: missed the train agaiiiiinnnnn ?
[2016-11-16 19:40:34] jung1 : nope
[2016-11-16 19:41:00] Dtrade16 : I did
[2016-11-16 19:41:02] mjones : Zec new low!
[2016-11-16 19:41:13] sleger : Dtrade16: go buy gold i heard its going to 5000k
[2016-11-16 19:41:21] anonymous789 : anyone else concur or disagree what my technical analysis?
[2016-11-16 19:41:33] habibi : anonymous789: calm down and make money
[2016-11-16 19:41:33] Dtrade16 : sleger: ya ya funny
[2016-11-16 19:41:34] Dtrade16 : i said 5000
[2016-11-16 19:41:35] anonymous789 : with*
[2016-11-16 19:41:53] jung1 : I am on 735 sit in 3rd wagon
[2016-11-16 19:42:04] anonymous789 : habibi: i'm trying haha, i'd like to get some opinions though, tc something i'm working on :)
[2016-11-16 19:42:54] mjones : Market can stay overbrought for a while in bubbles
[2016-11-16 19:42:57] habibi : go to tradingview then and ask there for good opinion
[2016-11-16 19:43:10] mjones : 6000 cny then dump
[2016-11-16 19:43:13] anonymous789 : aah
[2016-11-16 19:43:18] jung1 : habibi: why? we can have here good converstion
[2016-11-16 19:43:19] QuantFocus : mini dump
[2016-11-16 19:43:47] mjones : Dump now actually
[2016-11-16 19:43:54] jung1 : not so mini
[2016-11-16 19:43:58] Dtrade16 : there goes .5%
[2016-11-16 19:44:01] QuantFocus : haha
[2016-11-16 19:44:02] anonymous789 : there's that correction that was signalled by the RSI on the hourly, going to 740 i think?
[2016-11-16 19:44:33] RoftheN : Damn I missed it again
[2016-11-16 19:44:57] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: mm on monero and japanese 30dec pls
[2016-11-16 19:45:18] anonymous789 : would be interesting if it went significantly lower than 740 since i'm guessing 740 would be a new support level as it was a pretty decent resistance level prior
[2016-11-16 19:47:15] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: checking
[2016-11-16 19:47:30] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: monero's back only j30dec
[2016-11-16 19:49:15] jung1 : stamp 730
[2016-11-16 19:49:45] +1 : Don't China sleep at this hour?
[2016-11-16 19:49:57] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-16 19:50:40] +1 : So they trade in their sleep?
[2016-11-16 19:50:44] jung1 : they always have small eyes so hard to say
[2016-11-16 19:51:34] QuantFocus : wow
[2016-11-16 19:52:09] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-16 19:52:28] mjones : Lol jung1 trying so hard not to laugh at work
[2016-11-16 19:52:38] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-16 19:53:08] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: they back, they hit their initial limits but i pushed them for a bit more
[2016-11-16 19:53:22] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: thank you :)
[2016-11-16 19:53:37] sleger : some asshole bought too much ?
[2016-11-16 19:53:41] j8 : that's what they get for quoting $20 under XBTZ16
[2016-11-16 19:55:02] sleger : its at almost 50 now
[2016-11-16 19:56:08] j8 : what is
[2016-11-16 19:56:30] sleger : premium on JZ
[2016-11-16 19:57:00] j8 : over spot
[2016-11-16 19:57:56] sleger : yes, but it was at 20% not so long ago
[2016-11-16 19:58:19] j8 : until some asshole bought too much
[2016-11-16 19:58:32] sleger : damn assholes
[2016-11-16 19:59:04] sleger : MM should join the chat and do a AMA
[2016-11-16 19:59:14] j8 : yes please do
[2016-11-16 20:00:32] QuantFocus : ehhh
[2016-11-16 20:00:40] QuantFocus : what happened with xbt funding?
[2016-11-16 20:00:44] anonymous789 : meh looks like 750 was a false breakout
[2016-11-16 20:00:46] QuantFocus : oh, nm
[2016-11-16 20:00:50] QuantFocus : just took a second to update
[2016-11-16 20:05:49] y1uy : these premiums are so annoying :@
[2016-11-16 20:07:49] anonymous789 : y1uy: indeed
[2016-11-16 20:09:53] QuantFocus : bitmex_greg
[2016-11-16 20:11:52] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: do you guys retain historical fair basis data?
[2016-11-16 20:12:14] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: I am not sure we publish that data specifically
[2016-11-16 20:12:33] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: You might be able to download last price and index price from the API and then just calculate it manually
[2016-11-16 20:13:01] QuantFocus : but i'm lazy
[2016-11-16 20:13:09] QuantFocus : :smile:
[2016-11-16 20:14:05] j8 : you guys definitely should publish mark prices, i'm sure you have people complaining about getting liquidated all the time and there's no record
[2016-11-16 20:14:30] BitMEX_Greg : haha lazy hands makes one poor, but diligent hand bring riches
[2016-11-16 20:15:08] BitMEX_Greg : j8: Yeah, that I am unsure of if in the pipeline or not. Need to bring it up with Wally
[2016-11-16 20:17:05] CapitalGains : Nail biting stuff... transferred extra BTC to Bitmex for margin so I don't get liquidated, but the transfer has been pending for 36 minutes :P
[2016-11-16 20:17:42] sleger : it will be pending much more than that
[2016-11-16 20:17:57] CapitalGains : Network overload?
[2016-11-16 20:18:04] sleger : wally-overload
[2016-11-16 20:18:09] kogroken : Isn't it always these days?
[2016-11-16 20:18:25] CapitalGains : Are the confirmations checked manually?
[2016-11-16 20:18:27] sleger : CapitalGains: sorry i thought you meant from bitmex not to
[2016-11-16 20:18:45] sleger : deposits are automated
[2016-11-16 20:19:12] CapitalGains : Every time previously it's taken basically 10 minutes, but now...
[2016-11-16 20:19:35] CapitalGains : I've learned a lesson about shorting BTC
[2016-11-16 20:19:35] habibi : CapitalGains: did u took a look at ur blockchain comfirmation ?
[2016-11-16 20:19:51] QuantFocus : CapitalGains: name change to CapitalLosses?
[2016-11-16 20:20:14] CapitalGains : QuantFocus: Haha not just yet.
[2016-11-16 20:20:49] sleger : CapitalGains: how far is your stop ?
[2016-11-16 20:20:56] CapitalGains : It needs to go to 776 on swap and 827 onZ16
[2016-11-16 20:21:22] CapitalGains : Which seemed reasonable a few hours ago
[2016-11-16 20:21:46] sleger : if you put a reasonable fee you should be good
[2016-11-16 20:22:03] CapitalGains : I actually got a friend to send extra BTC
[2016-11-16 20:22:17] CapitalGains : And it seems his fee was low, because I haven't waited 40 + minutes in ages
[2016-11-16 20:23:13] AudibleScience : CapitalGains: it's not that bad... 6272 Unconfirmed Transactions
[2016-11-16 20:23:55] AudibleScience : how long ago did you deposit
[2016-11-16 20:24:04] CapitalGains : 44 minutes ago
[2016-11-16 20:24:19] CapitalGains : The thing is, I actually want to short more, especially XBTZ16
[2016-11-16 20:24:26] CapitalGains : Just not with my margin in its current shape
[2016-11-16 20:24:41] Tetsuo : CapitalGains: gambling with frineds money
[2016-11-16 20:24:48] AudibleScience : you should be pretty close then
[2016-11-16 20:25:07] anonymous789 : CapitalGains: risky strategy when everything is showing bullish
[2016-11-16 20:25:23] CapitalGains : Tetsuo: No no, I actually have more than enough to pay my friend back on Poloniex, it's just in a loan at the moment
[2016-11-16 20:25:46] habibi : hope u won't need to cut this friendship
[2016-11-16 20:26:10] sleger : CapitalGains: it is possible the premium on Z goes to 200$ so be careful
[2016-11-16 20:26:25] CapitalGains : Sheesh
[2016-11-16 20:26:47] sleger : we have seen 80$ on the daily once, and the price was half....
[2016-11-16 20:27:21] arbitrage001 : any guess on who is paying 80 premium on daily?
[2016-11-16 20:27:31] dasdfasdf : me
[2016-11-16 20:27:31] j8 : that was quanto though.
[2016-11-16 20:27:38] j8 : still crazy.
[2016-11-16 20:28:04] CapitalGains : I went against my plan today and have paid for it. I was planning to short the swap and go long on Z16 as a hedge, all would be very well if I'd done that.
[2016-11-16 20:28:39] j8 : that's a great trade to do yesterday
[2016-11-16 20:28:44] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: have risk as short term rate wont last
[2016-11-16 20:28:56] arbitrage001 : while lock term rate can lock in
[2016-11-16 20:29:12] arbitrage001 : the long term rate is very attractive
[2016-11-16 20:29:28] sleger : 50%, not really
[2016-11-16 20:29:45] arbitrage001 : sleger: 50% is not?
[2016-11-16 20:30:00] sleger : historically it is average
[2016-11-16 20:30:11] arbitrage001 : like to sell my left nut now and have cash to lock in if i can lol
[2016-11-16 20:30:16] sleger : you are blinded by the recent past
[2016-11-16 20:30:23] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-11-16 20:30:30] anonymous789 : why is it always the left nut?
[2016-11-16 20:30:40] arbitrage001 : left nut worth more?
[2016-11-16 20:30:50] anonymous789 : it is?
[2016-11-16 20:31:02] arbitrage001 : want to buy my right nut?
[2016-11-16 20:31:10] anonymous789 : fair point
[2016-11-16 20:32:59] anonymous789 : i don't know much about candlestick patterns but is that a bearish shooting star on the hourly for xbtusd?
[2016-11-16 20:33:27] CapitalGains : Ah, finally, liquidation price above $1000
[2016-11-16 20:33:50] CapitalGains : 50 minutes transfer time was slow even for BTC
[2016-11-16 20:34:15] anonymous789 : CapitalGains: whenever i transfer btc here, i send almost the whole amount, but leave a bit, then send a second tiny transaction
[2016-11-16 20:34:37] anonymous789 : that almost always gets the transaction through within 10mins or so
[2016-11-16 20:34:47] anonymous789 : not sure why it works, but it does
[2016-11-16 20:35:07] Tetsuo : sell that trick on the internet, could make you rich
[2016-11-16 20:35:26] anonymous789 : :D
[2016-11-16 20:35:30] wurstgelee : :P
[2016-11-16 20:36:12] anonymous789 : it's weird, it's almost like it gives the transaction that was stuck a bit of a kick up the ass
[2016-11-16 20:36:30] CapitalGains : Anyone else here shorting BTC?
[2016-11-16 20:36:31] AudibleScience : anonymous789: v interesting! maybe there is something about having 2 transactions instead of just one
[2016-11-16 20:36:52] iefken : CapitalGains: r u doing it for the funding rate or what?
[2016-11-16 20:36:53] anonymous789 : indeed
[2016-11-16 20:37:17] Tetsuo : CapitalGains: it ´t like the thing with the trump polls, no one will admit that they´re doing it
[2016-11-16 20:37:21] anonymous789 : i would short for the funding rate but i ain't got the balls to short at this level with everything looking so bullish lol
[2016-11-16 20:37:27] j8 : i heard if you split the amount into five transactions, it also works
[2016-11-16 20:37:40] anonymous789 : j8: interesting
[2016-11-16 20:37:47] Tetsuo : j8: thx
[2016-11-16 20:38:05] CapitalGains : iefken: I'm also a firm believer in BTC retraces, but I like to have enough margin to keep shorting incrementally until it turns around for the plunge
[2016-11-16 20:39:11] iefken : well, your color is better than mine so i got no argument there
[2016-11-16 20:39:38] iefken : did make some money with the rise :p
[2016-11-16 20:40:18] Tetsuo : without reds there wouldn´t be any green
[2016-11-16 20:40:19] sergiocal : Hi
[2016-11-16 20:40:54] Tetsuo : 404
[2016-11-16 20:41:06] CapitalGains : Does the chat colour have relevance?
[2016-11-16 20:42:11] CapitalGains : I think if BTC breaks 800 I'll be too scared to short any more
[2016-11-16 20:42:13] mjones : Checking my color. I only get rekt
[2016-11-16 20:42:24] Tetsuo : swampy greens are the crocodiles in the market
[2016-11-16 20:42:26] mjones : Blue = horrible trader
[2016-11-16 20:42:33] Rekted : why USD so low ?*
[2016-11-16 20:42:40] Tetsuo : Rekted: depends
[2016-11-16 20:42:48] mjones : Usd>btc
[2016-11-16 20:42:54] Rekted : 734 on coinbase
[2016-11-16 20:43:36] anonymous789 : CapitalGains: if my technical analysis is correct and it breaks 770 there may be no stopping it
[2016-11-16 20:43:52] Rekted : 6000 CNY ?
[2016-11-16 20:44:10] aethlios : price in india now 105 usd above finex, so there are not only china but india gets in the game. soon europeans will join us. euro below 1.07, if 1.05 doesn't hold then 0.835 ahead
[2016-11-16 20:44:39] anonymous789 : yea the euro getting destroyed lol
[2016-11-16 20:45:33] CapitalGains : Hrmm... tempted to close my shorts now at -200% ROE
[2016-11-16 20:45:58] sleger : just do it
[2016-11-16 20:46:12] anonymous789 : always do your own research
[2016-11-16 20:46:25] anonymous789 : especially don't listen to people on troll box lol
[2016-11-16 20:46:45] CapitalGains : :)
[2016-11-16 20:47:02] Tetsuo : go 100xlong and recover your losses within an hour
[2016-11-16 20:47:06] arbitrage001 : can learn a lot from trollbox here
[2016-11-16 20:47:16] anonymous789 : 750 is a key resistance area, this is where it was rejected with force the last time on the daily
[2016-11-16 20:47:22] sleger : Tetsuo: i would limit to 50x
[2016-11-16 20:47:45] Tetsuo : sleger: i thought he ´s in the game for profit?
[2016-11-16 20:47:46] anonymous789 : so if it breaks this, i would certainly think twice about keepign a short open
[2016-11-16 20:47:56] sleger : yes but he is cautious
[2016-11-16 20:48:05] Tetsuo : sleger: ah heard of those folks
[2016-11-16 20:48:21] Tetsuo : should invest in bonds
[2016-11-16 20:48:25] anonymous789 : CapitalGains: you may be safe if it stays below 750 though at least for some further retracement
[2016-11-16 20:48:54] arbitrage001 : it will most likely make new high if china is involved
[2016-11-16 20:49:07] CapitalGains : I'm just hoping for a brief retrace so I can convert my short on Z16 into a long
[2016-11-16 20:49:56] CapitalGains : But the shorting business is a dangerous one, ask anyone who ever shorted ZEC
[2016-11-16 20:50:00] anonymous789 : CapitalGains: well if it were me in your shoes, i'd wait until confirmation of a continuation of the uptrend, i.e. break of the 750 area with high volume, then i'd look to close my short ASAP at a loss
[2016-11-16 20:50:07] anonymous789 : but that's what I would do
[2016-11-16 20:50:12] rapidtrades : rly....$50 premium?
[2016-11-16 20:50:24] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: GTFO
[2016-11-16 20:50:39] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: C'mon rapid, let's short Z16
[2016-11-16 20:50:40] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: good time to close long and go short
[2016-11-16 20:50:59] anonymous789 : arbitrage001: it could be if it makes lower lows and lower highs
[2016-11-16 20:51:22] sleger : 50 seems cheap
[2016-11-16 20:51:32] sleger : just china is 33$ higher
[2016-11-16 20:51:34] CapitalGains : Another question for the general public: why not buy a whole bunch of actual BTC now and short on Z16 purely for the $50 premium?
[2016-11-16 20:51:50] Tetsuo : we need a juicy 5-10k ask wall@ Stamp of Finex to convince folks to bring in more western money
[2016-11-16 20:52:00] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: many are doing it
[2016-11-16 20:52:03] sleger : CapitalGains: exchange default
[2016-11-16 20:52:30] CapitalGains : Then why is there still a $50 premium! :P
[2016-11-16 20:52:31] anonymous789 : unfortunately i don't know how the futures market for btc works on this exchange
[2016-11-16 20:52:39] aethlios : CapitalGains: nice interest for 44 days.
[2016-11-16 20:52:40] CapitalGains : Actually, I suppose it's because of the leverage
[2016-11-16 20:52:44] rapidtrades : im getting huge lag right now that I wasn't getting 3 hrs ago? sup bitmex
[2016-11-16 20:52:45] Tetsuo : anonymous789: u come to the right place
[2016-11-16 20:52:45] j8 : CapitalGains: many gamblers think they can make more than 6.7% or whatever with longs
[2016-11-16 20:52:55] anonymous789 : Tetsuo: hehe
[2016-11-16 20:53:14] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: some people use china exchange as reference
[2016-11-16 20:53:20] rapidtrades : laaaaaaag
[2016-11-16 20:53:24] arbitrage001 : and we have many chinese gamblers here
[2016-11-16 20:53:57] arbitrage001 : then the premium doesn't look so high
[2016-11-16 20:54:15] CapitalGains : Makes this a nice place to do arbitrage
[2016-11-16 20:54:36] rapidtrades : CapitalGains: arbitrage? where do u buy?
[2016-11-16 20:54:46] arbitrage001 : yes, if bitmex dont get "hacked"
[2016-11-16 20:54:52] arbitrage001 : or gox
[2016-11-16 20:55:03] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: I don't arbitrage, but I'd like to
[2016-11-16 20:55:17] CapitalGains : Don't have the capital, ironically
[2016-11-16 20:55:17] j8 : okc futures has almost 2% premium for a day and a half, that cuts into the 6.7% quarterly pretty fast
[2016-11-16 20:55:46] arbitrage001 : j8: more profit trading there then
[2016-11-16 20:56:25] rapidtrades : not rly, that index is 50% china
[2016-11-16 20:56:28] anonymous789 : what do you guys mean by arbitrage the premium? how do you do that on here?
[2016-11-16 20:56:42] j8 : i do both. but yeah gotta manage the china component
[2016-11-16 20:56:45] aethlios : j8: and with a nice rollover to next week, another 15 usd, so in 3 days almost 25 to 30 usd premium captured
[2016-11-16 20:57:30] j8 : yep on okc it's more like 3.4% for 35 days
[2016-11-16 20:57:42] rapidtrades : u can't capture shit unless u have CNY on exchange
[2016-11-16 20:58:07] rapidtrades : u can play and hope it Yuan doesn't devalue again but that#s not arbing
[2016-11-16 20:58:22] arbitrage001 : 3.5% for 35 days is worth taking currency risk
[2016-11-16 20:58:31] rapidtrades : prolly right
[2016-11-16 20:59:02] rapidtrades : but it lost 1.5% in october and over 1.5% this month so far
[2016-11-16 20:59:19] rapidtrades : and we're only at half
[2016-11-16 20:59:34] j8 : if you trade the quarterly at okc, most of the USDCNY change will be corrected for by then
[2016-11-16 20:59:39] arbitrage001 : if the premium is 5%, you still make 3.5%
[2016-11-16 21:00:11] j8 : it's more a matter of the china premium. cny deval affects the weekly though
[2016-11-16 21:00:56] rapidtrades : 3.1% devaluation in 45 days
[2016-11-16 21:04:24] j8 : there's really no risk free arbs in bitcoin. lots that are worth it though
[2016-11-16 21:07:14] arbitrage001 : if premium keep going up, i might blow up
[2016-11-16 21:07:25] arbitrage001 : they need to remove funding cap
[2016-11-16 21:07:48] j8 : yes they do
[2016-11-16 21:08:05] habibi : and 100x at same time but they won't, too much people asking for that crack i guess
[2016-11-16 21:09:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.008395
[2016-11-16 21:10:07] CapitalGains : 100x 0.375% = 37.5% funding
[2016-11-16 21:10:31] rapidtrades : 56 dollars now, crazy
[2016-11-16 21:11:13] CapitalGains : 800 breached
[2016-11-16 21:11:55] wurstgelee : bam
[2016-11-16 21:11:57] aethlios : 30 dec. 900 today okcoin
[2016-11-16 21:12:00] wurstgelee : okc new high
[2016-11-16 21:12:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 21500 @ 803.70 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-16 21:12:03] Rekted : game over
[2016-11-16 21:12:05] meh : sick volume :D
[2016-11-16 21:12:10] wurstgelee : wow
[2016-11-16 21:12:31] Rekted : happy christmas
[2016-11-16 21:12:56] rapidtrades : 62 dollrs, cos why not
[2016-11-16 21:13:26] jung1 : no way out
[2016-11-16 21:13:29] jung1 : looks same as in '13
[2016-11-16 21:13:41] j8 : i wonder if okc ever took that cap off the quarterly...
[2016-11-16 21:14:01] Rekted : USD is sleeping :'(
[2016-11-16 21:14:18] lockhedge : main mm is already sold out on the ask side? no 17500 orders left
[2016-11-16 21:14:29] aethlios : china and india leads to 1000
[2016-11-16 21:14:46] aethlios : parity to gold soon
[2016-11-16 21:14:59] CapitalGains : Shorts closed
[2016-11-16 21:15:01] arbitrage001 : when things go out of control, china and india gov usually step in
[2016-11-16 21:15:13] CapitalGains : -300% ROE, all in a good day's work :)
[2016-11-16 21:15:31] iefken : tough
[2016-11-16 21:15:38] habibi : CapitalGains: did u block ur friend numbers already on phone?
[2016-11-16 21:15:55] aethlios : finex usd rates 0.19% daily
[2016-11-16 21:15:58] CapitalGains : His money is fine, it just stopped me being liquidated
[2016-11-16 21:16:19] Tetsuo : give it a few days
[2016-11-16 21:16:25] habibi : yea famous last words
[2016-11-16 21:16:32] Tetsuo : then start converting into longs at the top
[2016-11-16 21:16:34] aethlios : demand for btc very high, lending rates and premiums across all fiat skyrocket.
[2016-11-16 21:17:07] aethlios : only kraken has cheap stable house lending 0.06% daily
[2016-11-16 21:17:57] iefken : https://www.kaiko.com/bitcoin-price
[2016-11-16 21:18:07] iefken : quiet impressive though
[2016-11-16 21:19:18] j8 : nice, we hit $1000 CAD
[2016-11-16 21:20:31] Rado : cool
[2016-11-16 21:20:32] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-16 21:24:24] jung1 : kurwa
[2016-11-16 21:24:27] jung1 : bitcoin is awesome
[2016-11-16 21:25:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.013590
[2016-11-16 21:26:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 40 @ 0.008707
[2016-11-16 21:28:51] mjones : a short would be nice on xbtz16 as it has a far ways to fall but who knows if china will dump this back down
[2016-11-16 21:29:32] iefken : well, china's price is way up and since they have like 99% of liquidity in btc
[2016-11-16 21:35:53] mjones : we will see if bitmex lags when this dumps and longs get margin called nonstop
[2016-11-16 21:36:31] mjones : okcoin hit 5499 and now 5450 so the top may be in and now we go sideways till the megadump
[2016-11-16 21:36:53] iefken : yup, little hesitation
[2016-11-16 21:37:20] mjones : maybe 5000 CNY will be support
[2016-11-16 21:38:41] iefken : nice order @ xbtusd :p
[2016-11-16 21:41:48] jung1 : finex $5 dump
[2016-11-16 21:42:46] Dtrade16 : 400+ sell on bitfinex
[2016-11-16 21:44:13] jung1 : finex chart looks crazy
[2016-11-16 21:44:14] jung1 : perfect bowl
[2016-11-16 21:44:58] CaptainDean : so the 4% difference price frmo China is based on the fact the undervalued their money for like 3% ?
[2016-11-16 21:45:58] CaptainDean : they*
[2016-11-16 21:49:00] j8 : the actual change in USDCNY was much smaller. they overreact
[2016-11-16 21:53:49] CapitalGains : Can't this megadump happen already so I can go to sleep
[2016-11-16 21:54:34] Tetsuo : dump from 2000 to 1000 would be brutal, but might take a few days
[2016-11-16 21:56:02] CapitalGains : I feel like if I leave my shorts open overnight, we'll hit $900, but if I close them, we'll retrace to $700, and if I set a limit at $820, it'll hit $820 and then retrace to $700.
[2016-11-16 21:56:17] Tetsuo : win win?
[2016-11-16 21:56:27] j8 : so leave em open
[2016-11-16 21:56:28] mjones : lol
[2016-11-16 21:56:36] wurstgelee : dont sleep
[2016-11-16 21:56:39] wurstgelee : problem solved
[2016-11-16 21:56:51] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: it's a really hard call
[2016-11-16 21:59:50] Tetsuo : CapitalGains: just ask yourself: " Do i believe in Satoshi , the one true master? Shall i short his child?"
[2016-11-16 22:00:22] CapitalGains : Tetsuo: You make a good case
[2016-11-16 22:00:23] iefken : put in another buy other you limit at 800/850
[2016-11-16 22:00:39] iefken : more possible profit
[2016-11-16 22:01:27] QuantFocus : CapitalGains: don't forget to buy in at the top
[2016-11-16 22:01:33] mjones : okcoin quarterly futures dumping a bit. i got a bunch of charts open
[2016-11-16 22:01:37] iefken : anyone a good site to see the liquidity of btc live globally?
[2016-11-16 22:01:37] CapitalGains : Thanks guys
[2016-11-16 22:01:49] CapitalGains : QuantFocus: Thanks to you in particular
[2016-11-16 22:02:12] mjones : here we gooooo
[2016-11-16 22:02:17] QuantFocus : CapitalGains: :thumbsup:
[2016-11-16 22:02:27] mjones : quarterly futures dumping big league
[2016-11-16 22:02:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 6000 @ 787.21
[2016-11-16 22:02:54] mjones : if this dumps huge and bitmex lags due to liquidations...
[2016-11-16 22:02:57] QuantFocus : feel that basis contract like a nice, tight little...
[2016-11-16 22:03:02] Tetsuo : mjones: soooon
[2016-11-16 22:03:55] mjones : dip buyers stepping in already. too soon. let it dump more
[2016-11-16 22:04:28] anonymous789 : from the technical analysis i did earlier should be some significant support at the 740 level
[2016-11-16 22:04:48] anonymous789 : see if i'm proved wrong
[2016-11-16 22:04:56] mjones : china at $774 so $774 to $740?
[2016-11-16 22:05:11] anonymous789 : i only look at the bitmex swap
[2016-11-16 22:05:14] mjones : oh ok
[2016-11-16 22:08:21] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/VEoK9EOi/
[2016-11-16 22:08:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10900 @ 740.38
[2016-11-16 22:08:30] aethlios : spot ready to pump
[2016-11-16 22:09:19] CapitalGains : aethlios: And I was just feeling relieved
[2016-11-16 22:09:43] anonymous789 : am i about to be proved wrong lol
[2016-11-16 22:09:43] Tetsuo : aethlios: stop posting bull FUD, this ponzi is about to collapse
[2016-11-16 22:09:45] aethlios : at the resistance now the spot, must break the roof
[2016-11-16 22:10:38] anonymous789 : if this does drop to 735ish i'll probably look for confirmation as to whether to close my long
[2016-11-16 22:10:41] iefken : what you mean with spot?
[2016-11-16 22:11:26] mjones : did okcoin find support or just stalling this dump for a bit
[2016-11-16 22:15:34] CapitalGains : mjones: What do you mean by woodchipper?
[2016-11-16 22:15:36] anonymous789 : RSI on the hourly no longer extremely overbought, just overbought now, so if it stays at this level for a few more hours, RSI could look neutral and with the higher highs and higher lows that would be bullish imo
[2016-11-16 22:16:22] Rekted : anonymous789: or it's going to be oversell
[2016-11-16 22:16:54] anonymous789 : Rekted: i think it's bullish if it stays around the 740 level
[2016-11-16 22:17:07] anonymous789 : if it drops to like 735 or below i think could start becoming oversell
[2016-11-16 22:17:30] Rekted : anonymous789: maybe nobody knows, lot of accumaltion today, it could drop really fast
[2016-11-16 22:17:47] anonymous789 : and i guess the next major support would be around the 720 level
[2016-11-16 22:18:01] habibi : Rekted: it doesn't make sense what u just said
[2016-11-16 22:18:36] BigDaddyBigDick : bear div on btccny 30min playing out. Probs see 5200cny at some point here
[2016-11-16 22:19:05] mjones : CapitalGains: 0kcoin
[2016-11-16 22:19:25] mjones : probably a big dump to scare top buyers and margin call those on 20x and higher leverage
[2016-11-16 22:21:29] mjones : or sideways and up like the last time. fun game we play
[2016-11-16 22:22:25] anonymous789 : so the daily RSI confirms a bullish scenario at the moment as that is not overbought into the extended territory
[2016-11-16 22:22:59] BigDaddyBigDick : id like to see a good shake out down to the long term trend line.
[2016-11-16 22:23:27] anonymous789 : i feel like we need to break the 750 level before see a significant drop
[2016-11-16 22:24:56] BigDaddyBigDick : i cant play this long or short right now tho, I have so much indecision. Just seems sketchy right now. Hard to judge it
[2016-11-16 22:25:53] wurstgelee : when in doubt, long. until not. ;)
[2016-11-16 22:26:26] anonymous789 : i used to be the same until i decided on a few indicators and imo the most important things = higher highs/higher lows = bullish, lower highs/lower lows bearish
[2016-11-16 22:26:34] anonymous789 : that appears to work for most of my trades
[2016-11-16 22:27:29] anonymous789 : RSI to look for entry/exit, MACD to determine the trend potential
[2016-11-16 22:27:44] anonymous789 : ATR for stops, but i'm not good with that so i don't set a stop anymore
[2016-11-16 22:28:41] BigDaddyBigDick : ya i trend to stick to divergences, wave theory and then just simple resistance/support for my entries.
[2016-11-16 22:29:09] anonymous789 : all good stuff
[2016-11-16 22:29:43] BigDaddyBigDick : definitely takes a while to find the combo that works for you tho.
[2016-11-16 22:30:46] anonymous789 : yeah i'm hoping this continues wrking. One thing that definitely works is trading crypto. Before this i was trading indices and was getting rekt
[2016-11-16 22:31:00] anonymous789 : the financial markets are completely manipulated to the tits