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[2016-11-16 15:53:36] wurstgelee : if the do, its dumping time.... once again oO
[2016-11-16 15:53:42] wurstgelee : *y
[2016-11-16 15:54:06] rapidtrades : €28,374,050 / €74,314,909 with 14 days to go
[2016-11-16 16:02:24] rapidtrades : This Dollar rally, relentless
[2016-11-16 16:02:30] jung1 : china hold tight
[2016-11-16 16:03:11] rapidtrades : bitcoin should be well supported as long as this dollar rally continues
[2016-11-16 16:03:26] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-16 16:03:33] wurstgelee : should be ;)
[2016-11-16 16:04:09] rapidtrades : once it stops tho bottom will fall out of the market :)
[2016-11-16 16:04:09] Rado : rapidtrades: is it really the news article that popped BTC?
[2016-11-16 16:04:33] rapidtrades : Rado: idk but today new lows for Yuan and highs for Dollar all around
[2016-11-16 16:04:46] rapidtrades : hard to tell in this envinroment
[2016-11-16 16:04:59] jung1 : IMO that news about CME moves price
[2016-11-16 16:05:00] Rado : I guess someone decided to buy a big chunk and everyone followed
[2016-11-16 16:06:36] Rado : Oops: Neutral monetary policy generates at best a slow recovery and, at worst, permanent stagnation - NY Fed. So more QE?
[2016-11-16 16:06:47] Rado : FED will never raise rates
[2016-11-16 16:07:09] Rado : they just lie and people believe them
[2016-11-16 16:07:12] rapidtrades : Dec odds were 94% yday
[2016-11-16 16:07:24] Rado : people are stupid
[2016-11-16 16:07:31] Rado : how can odds be 94%
[2016-11-16 16:07:34] rapidtrades : i think its 50/50 shot considering the dollar strenght but not 94%
[2016-11-16 16:07:43] Rado : exactly
[2016-11-16 16:07:54] rapidtrades : Rado: the plan was to raise post-election all along
[2016-11-16 16:08:04] Rado : who's plan?
[2016-11-16 16:08:04] rapidtrades : but the thought Hillary would win
[2016-11-16 16:08:10] rapidtrades : Rado: Fed
[2016-11-16 16:08:12] Rado : the FED never intended to raise rates
[2016-11-16 16:08:15] Rado : imo
[2016-11-16 16:08:24] rapidtrades : they already did last year in Dec
[2016-11-16 16:08:25] Rado : they just play political ganes
[2016-11-16 16:08:43] Rado : and then everyone thought they will raise more in 2016
[2016-11-16 16:08:46] Rado : we know what happened
[2016-11-16 16:09:04] Newmex : hello how do i deposit btc? cant find the deposit option anywhere
[2016-11-16 16:09:24] Rado : Account -> Green Deposit button
[2016-11-16 16:09:30] Rado : Newmex: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-11-16 16:09:36] rapidtrades : well no, market never believed the 4 rate increases, they were pricing in one/two tops
[2016-11-16 16:09:41] Newmex : ty
[2016-11-16 16:10:21] Rado : brb
[2016-11-16 16:11:09] thomaskikansha : 0.35% funding in 12 hrs
[2016-11-16 16:11:38] sleger : thomaskikansha: NO
[2016-11-16 16:12:47] wurstgelee : no
[2016-11-16 16:21:05] rapidtrades : Rado: that wirex card is not bad, but how much does it cost overall to deposit bitcoin before u can spend?
[2016-11-16 16:21:25] rapidtrades : like overall, load fees, spread, commish included?
[2016-11-16 16:21:39] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: bitcoin atm fee cost a ton
[2016-11-16 16:21:43] arbitrage001 : totally not worth it
[2016-11-16 16:22:30] arbitrage001 : not just atm, also transaction fee
[2016-11-16 16:22:32] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: says 2.75 euro?
[2016-11-16 16:22:44] arbitrage001 : what about slipage
[2016-11-16 16:22:47] chromaticcr1 : I prefer advcash
[2016-11-16 16:22:55] rapidtrades : well idk that's why im asking @arbitrage001
[2016-11-16 16:22:58] Rado : rapidtrades: I haven't deposited yet, but after a lot of research these are the ones I opened accounts with
[2016-11-16 16:23:12] rapidtrades : Rado: i see
[2016-11-16 16:23:18] aethlios : best card is coinsbank, have tested many, it also has a live exchange to trade your btc at the price you like.
[2016-11-16 16:23:26] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: do u use it day to day?
[2016-11-16 16:23:31] arbitrage001 : i remember using bitpay to pay for btc miner before
[2016-11-16 16:23:45] arbitrage001 : better off just use normal credit card
[2016-11-16 16:23:49] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: no
[2016-11-16 16:26:23] rapidtrades : aethlios: price per btc is much lower then market tho, is that normal?
[2016-11-16 16:26:42] Rado : aethlios: ATM fees are very high for coinsbank
[2016-11-16 16:27:44] rapidtrades : Rado: 4.95e
[2016-11-16 16:28:06] rapidtrades : the $100 card is 3.95
[2016-11-16 16:29:00] aethlios : rapidtrades: why lower? there is a spread bid ask, place first ask. other cards exchange your btc in a 1.5% to 2.5% lower than spot, that's the way they make money. only in coinsbank you can sell the btc in favorable price.
[2016-11-16 16:29:41] aethlios : what i do is I wait in the month for a pump, and sell for eur the month's btc i will spend for living.
[2016-11-16 16:30:04] rapidtrades : cmon.....
[2016-11-16 16:30:48] rapidtrades : if prices are consistently 1-1.5% below market then 'waiting for a pump' doesn't change anything
[2016-11-16 16:31:34] aethlios : now coinsbank bid ask 678.2-680.9 and kraken 680.4-681
[2016-11-16 16:31:54] jung1 : there is also pretty cool card from spectrocoin
[2016-11-16 16:32:19] rapidtrades : aethlios: ah i see....looks like euro market is depressed right now
[2016-11-16 16:32:33] rapidtrades : that's $726
[2016-11-16 16:32:51] aethlios : they also have a cashback 0.5% of each pos expense you do, and use the cashback to pay the atm withdraw fee. I don't pay withdraw fee, it uses the cashback
[2016-11-16 16:33:23] rapidtrades : that's a neat feature
[2016-11-16 16:33:48] jung1 : 5100 comming?
[2016-11-16 16:33:57] rapidtrades : aethlios: so there are no load fees? what is the exchange fee to sell btc for euros?
[2016-11-16 16:34:42] jung1 : https://spectrocoin.com/en/bitcoin-debit-card.html
[2016-11-16 16:34:53] jung1 : lithuania based comapny
[2016-11-16 16:35:20] aethlios : rapidtrades: 0.5% to sell, basically this is the only fee from my use experience
[2016-11-16 16:38:44] rapidtrades : not bad
[2016-11-16 16:40:36] Rado : jung1: POS load 1.99% Currency exchange** 3%
[2016-11-16 16:40:43] aethlios : rapidtrades: what i mean is that you can hold your btc in btc form, and any time you can sell for euro if the price pumps, and then the card uses the euro. then price could fall but you locked a fixed price.
[2016-11-16 16:41:02] Rado : when I choose a card I want no currency exchange fees and as low as possible ATM fee
[2016-11-16 16:41:36] Rado : 3% is crazy
[2016-11-16 16:41:49] aethlios : I have the named white.
[2016-11-16 16:42:02] rapidtrades : 2-3% is standard unfortunately @Rado
[2016-11-16 16:42:30] Rado : rapidtrades: I pay no fee with tangerine and amazon rewards
[2016-11-16 16:42:42] jpc : rapidtrades: confirm 3% for xrate is usual...
[2016-11-16 16:42:44] Rado : but yet to find a BTC debit card that does that
[2016-11-16 16:43:07] JamesPolo : If you guys need to sell btc for cash...
[2016-11-16 16:43:14] JamesPolo : feel free to leave your contact info
[2016-11-16 16:43:18] rapidtrades : are u sure u pay no conversion fees? maybe they make up for that in the spread or the fees?
[2016-11-16 16:43:29] rapidtrades : JamesPolo: where u at?
[2016-11-16 16:44:03] JamesPolo : rapidtrades: Thanks to btc, in many places :)
[2016-11-16 16:44:25] JamesPolo : canada, middle east and china mainly
[2016-11-16 16:45:06] rapidtrades : JamesPolo: not there, not going there soon
[2016-11-16 16:45:15] rapidtrades : still stuck in europe for the time being
[2016-11-16 16:45:37] JamesPolo : Where ?
[2016-11-16 16:45:43] JamesPolo : I love me some Paris
[2016-11-16 16:45:48] Rado : rapidtrades: I am sure
[2016-11-16 16:46:04] Rado : I used these cards for the last 2 months
[2016-11-16 16:46:28] aethlios : rapidtrades: Cashback bonus For every cent spent on the card we reward you with 10 Satoshi daily. Keep an eye on the exchange rates and count the benefits!
[2016-11-16 16:47:05] jung1 : Rado: check also card from biggest polish exchange
[2016-11-16 16:47:05] jung1 : https://bitbay.net/cards_fees
[2016-11-16 16:47:10] jung1 : 1$ is like 4pln
[2016-11-16 16:47:25] rapidtrades : i have no clue what satoshi is worth....is that 8 zeros behind the 730?
[2016-11-16 16:47:43] rapidtrades : jung1: tnx
[2016-11-16 16:48:33] CapitalGains : 10 sat is worth $0.0007 if I understand correctly
[2016-11-16 16:49:02] j8 : Rado: you definitely pay for currency conversion with tangerine.. cheaper than other banks though
[2016-11-16 16:49:30] aethlios : rapidtrades: now for every 100 euro is 0.7 euro, but you can't withdraw that, can be used to pay card fees like the ATM fees, so ATM fees are zero, only cost is commission 0.5% and if you trade the btc to the ask price you don't pay conversion btc to euro fee
[2016-11-16 16:49:39] Rado : j8: you don't pay 3%
[2016-11-16 16:49:49] Rado : whatever the conversion rate is
[2016-11-16 16:49:54] j8 : no i think it's a little under 2%
[2016-11-16 16:50:44] Rado : I was in the US last month and checked my amazon credit card purchases
[2016-11-16 16:51:12] Rado : the conversion rate was the same as what Google was listing
[2016-11-16 16:51:18] Rado : no slippage
[2016-11-16 16:51:30] Rado : and no fees
[2016-11-16 16:51:38] rapidtrades : well that's a great deal if u can get it
[2016-11-16 16:52:17] Rado : I am trying to have different options when traveling
[2016-11-16 16:52:27] Rado : credit card, debit bank card, debit BTC card
[2016-11-16 16:53:04] rapidtrades : yeah definitely want 2 at least
[2016-11-16 16:53:20] rapidtrades : altho if u have btc, guess u can always tap into that in emergency
[2016-11-16 16:53:34] Rado : that is what I am thinking
[2016-11-16 16:53:39] Rado : use BTC only in emergency
[2016-11-16 16:53:55] Rado : when my income move more to BTC I will need a way to transfer to fiat
[2016-11-16 16:54:08] Rado : rapidtrades: do you use bank transfer now?
[2016-11-16 16:55:07] chromaticcr1 : http://advcash.com/en/fees/ these guy have 1% cut for loading, and 1USD for loading on the card. but no recurring monthly fee, both euro and usd card
[2016-11-16 16:55:19] rapidtrades : i wanted to, got denied by bank @Rado
[2016-11-16 16:55:38] Rado : rapidtrades: huh?
[2016-11-16 16:55:44] rapidtrades : never had problems before i withdrew btc lol
[2016-11-16 16:55:48] Rado : you can't wire from exchange to bank?
[2016-11-16 16:56:17] rapidtrades : apparently not without laying
[2016-11-16 16:56:53] rapidtrades : should've made up some excuse 'it's freelance money'
[2016-11-16 16:57:24] j8 : i've never been questioned for it, but i've never tried to do large amounts
[2016-11-16 16:57:43] Rado : that's why I hate banks
[2016-11-16 16:57:56] Rado : I hope BTC services improve fast so we don't have to use banks
[2016-11-16 16:58:11] rapidtrades : j8: it was below 1k
[2016-11-16 16:58:21] Rado : wow
[2016-11-16 16:58:23] Rado : bastards
[2016-11-16 16:58:51] j8 : yeah that's lame
[2016-11-16 16:58:57] rapidtrades : i've had much larger transfers pass without question
[2016-11-16 16:59:16] Rado : chromaticcr1: how much is the internal exchange rate for this card?
[2016-11-16 16:59:22] j8 : was it coming from a criminal enterprise, like bitfinex?
[2016-11-16 16:59:33] Rado : $1 fee is very good for withdrawal
[2016-11-16 16:59:42] chromaticcr1 : 1% cut @Rado , ~700 on market they quote 693
[2016-11-16 16:59:52] rapidtrades : j8: haha...no kraken
[2016-11-16 16:59:57] Rado : chromaticcr1: not bad
[2016-11-16 17:00:15] chromaticcr1 : for me I have a HKD credit card but buying stuff online got 3% fx fee from HSBC
[2016-11-16 17:00:29] chromaticcr1 : if it is not quoted in HKD
[2016-11-16 17:00:49] chromaticcr1 : this would still be a cheaper way to spend my money on stuff on say amazon
[2016-11-16 17:00:56] rapidtrades : yeah those fx fees are the killer
[2016-11-16 17:01:03] rapidtrades : highest cost by far
[2016-11-16 17:01:23] Rado : chromaticcr1: can I deposit BTC to the card?
[2016-11-16 17:01:41] rapidtrades : chromaticcr1: u can also buy amazon gift card with btc i think
[2016-11-16 17:01:56] j8 : Rado: you're canadian yeah?
[2016-11-16 17:02:01] Rado : yep
[2016-11-16 17:02:02] rapidtrades : u get small cashback too
[2016-11-16 17:02:03] chromaticcr1 : you deposit BTC to advcash account, they convery using the rate, then you shove the USD in the acc into the card
[2016-11-16 17:02:18] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: purse.io i guess
[2016-11-16 17:02:33] Rado : chromaticcr1: so I have to convert to USD to use the card?
[2016-11-16 17:02:41] j8 : Rado: quadrigacx has an option to withdraw to any visa or mastercard
[2016-11-16 17:02:44] Rado : I want to stay in BTC and only use what I spend
[2016-11-16 17:02:53] chromaticcr1 : yes
[2016-11-16 17:02:56] j8 : as in you sell btc on their exchange and withdraw to card
[2016-11-16 17:03:11] Rado : j8: withdraw to any credit card?
[2016-11-16 17:03:14] rapidtrades : j8: talking about advcash?
[2016-11-16 17:03:14] j8 : yep
[2016-11-16 17:03:18] chromaticcr1 : kinda cheaper to dump money into the card in bulk since you got the 1USD fee per chargeup
[2016-11-16 17:03:28] j8 : rapidtrades: don't know what that is
[2016-11-16 17:03:48] Rado : j8: that sounds great, let me check it out
[2016-11-16 17:04:15] rapidtrades : oh quadrigacx ....cex.io also has that
[2016-11-16 17:04:55] chromaticcr1 : and now we have max'd the predicted funding
[2016-11-16 17:05:18] rapidtrades : good
[2016-11-16 17:05:28] rapidtrades : bring in at that sweet funding $$$
[2016-11-16 17:05:39] chromaticcr1 : where do you guys hedge?
[2016-11-16 17:05:54] chromaticcr1 : not like I have deep pocket to hedge on bitstamp
[2016-11-16 17:05:59] j8 : capmex, lift the cap!
[2016-11-16 17:06:00] rapidtrades : here so far
[2016-11-16 17:06:07] chromaticcr1 : j8: lol
[2016-11-16 17:06:13] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 17:06:24] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: i guess jpy? or the quarterlies
[2016-11-16 17:07:18] QuantFocus : j8: they could reduce leverage to 50x like before
[2016-11-16 17:07:27] QuantFocus : j8: that would bump the cap to ~1%
[2016-11-16 17:07:46] j8 : they will have to as soon as price action gets interesting
[2016-11-16 17:07:49] Rado : j8: so the withdrawal to the credit card basically acts as a payment?
[2016-11-16 17:07:49] rapidtrades : https://cex.io/fee-schedule#/tabCashInOut <<these guys do card loading too
[2016-11-16 17:07:56] rapidtrades : haven't used it myself tho
[2016-11-16 17:07:57] Rado : I can pay my Amazon Visa that way
[2016-11-16 17:08:26] j8 : Rado: yeah, i haven't used it, but it's like how merchants can credit your card
[2016-11-16 17:08:49] Rado : that is what I have been looking for
[2016-11-16 17:08:53] Rado : thanks j8
[2016-11-16 17:08:58] j8 : no prob
[2016-11-16 17:09:34] rapidtrades : Rado: ur bank or card provider may charge a loading fee, so check it out
[2016-11-16 17:10:01] Rado : @rapidtrades amazon card has no fees
[2016-11-16 17:10:04] Rado : told you
[2016-11-16 17:10:05] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-16 17:10:50] rapidtrades : well aren't u a lucky canuck :)
[2016-11-16 17:11:27] Rado : Visa/MasterCard/AMEX Min $50, Max $9,999 4-7 Business days Free select
[2016-11-16 17:11:40] Rado : they have a ton of options
[2016-11-16 17:11:57] Rado : to credit card, bank account, paypal etc
[2016-11-16 17:12:21] Rado : express transfer has a fee
[2016-11-16 17:12:27] Rado : but still great
[2016-11-16 17:12:35] Rado : if you need express
[2016-11-16 17:13:07] Rado : ha ha
[2016-11-16 17:13:16] Rado : they have Cash Delivery Min $500, Max $5,000 Shipped within 72 hours
[2016-11-16 17:13:27] Rado : shipping my cash?
[2016-11-16 17:13:44] rapidtrades : lol that's weird
[2016-11-16 17:14:13] rapidtrades : maybe that's for buttfuck canada where there are no ATMs?
[2016-11-16 17:14:31] rapidtrades : Eskimoland?
[2016-11-16 17:17:14] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 17:17:21] Rado : ignorant European
[2016-11-16 17:17:35] Rado : don't be like US people
[2016-11-16 17:17:46] Rado : where I live we don't even have snow
[2016-11-16 17:18:02] Rado : only in the mountains
[2016-11-16 17:18:05] rapidtrades : Rado: that can't be true
[2016-11-16 17:18:12] jung1 : but everything that moves can kill you
[2016-11-16 17:18:13] Rado : it is true
[2016-11-16 17:18:18] rapidtrades : u mean right now?
[2016-11-16 17:18:23] rapidtrades : cos it's November
[2016-11-16 17:18:32] Rado : we don't have snow now
[2016-11-16 17:18:37] rapidtrades : well duh
[2016-11-16 17:18:40] Rado : or any time during the winter
[2016-11-16 17:18:46] rapidtrades : wtf no way
[2016-11-16 17:18:48] Rado : well there might be a few days only
[2016-11-16 17:18:54] rapidtrades : see u lied
[2016-11-16 17:19:04] Rado : every year is different
[2016-11-16 17:19:11] Rado : but not like you think of winter
[2016-11-16 17:19:22] rapidtrades : winter sucks
[2016-11-16 17:19:53] habibi : sleger: winter is coming for ur 1y investment
[2016-11-16 17:19:59] chromaticcr1 : we need services like GoldMoney that ships goldbar with BRINKS to your doorsteps, that would be more fun!
[2016-11-16 17:20:01] Rado : 8 degrees C
[2016-11-16 17:20:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.013530
[2016-11-16 17:20:19] jung1 : china sucks with that dump again
[2016-11-16 17:20:35] sleger : jung1: you are long now ?
[2016-11-16 17:20:46] jung1 : cant tell you
[2016-11-16 17:20:56] sleger : i need to know
[2016-11-16 17:21:49] jung1 : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2016-11-16 17:25:34] arbitrage001 : sleger: contra indicator?
[2016-11-16 17:25:45] arbitrage001 : i am short. can use me as contra lol
[2016-11-16 17:26:41] sleger : what were the 2 dates finex redeemed some tokens ?
[2016-11-16 17:27:06] lockhedge : 3 already
[2016-11-16 17:27:31] arbitrage001 : nov 2nd and
[2016-11-16 17:27:54] arbitrage001 : sep 3rd, and
[2016-11-16 17:28:22] rapidtrades : prolly gonna see them redeem a lot soon so they can get smth back from sinking 20mil
[2016-11-16 17:28:29] arbitrage001 : sept 30th
[2016-11-16 17:28:30] sleger : not bad, they keep doing it
[2016-11-16 17:28:34] sleger : once a month
[2016-11-16 17:28:38] arbitrage001 : they need to increase
[2016-11-16 17:28:47] arbitrage001 : at current rate, it will take at least 5 years
[2016-11-16 17:28:49] rapidtrades : sleger: how are they gonna do it once per month?
[2016-11-16 17:28:58] arbitrage001 : which make yield less than 10% a year
[2016-11-16 17:29:09] j8 : Rado: sounds like you're right around the corner from me
[2016-11-16 17:29:10] arbitrage001 : at current token price
[2016-11-16 17:29:24] Rado : j8: Yaletown
[2016-11-16 17:29:40] rapidtrades : they're using our confiscated funds to pay for token holders, it's a pyramid scheme
[2016-11-16 17:29:42] rapidtrades : can't last
[2016-11-16 17:29:44] j8 : more or less
[2016-11-16 17:30:04] arbitrage001 : not confiscated, stolen fund
[2016-11-16 17:30:14] rapidtrades : same thing
[2016-11-16 17:30:19] arbitrage001 : could be plot within plot
[2016-11-16 17:30:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 253 @ 0.013520
[2016-11-16 17:30:26] arbitrage001 : since everyone selling rtt token
[2016-11-16 17:30:30] Rado : we should meet sometime
[2016-11-16 17:30:34] arbitrage001 : once they accumlate enough
[2016-11-16 17:30:40] arbitrage001 : then bam, hackers return the money
[2016-11-16 17:31:10] lockhedge : September 1 (1.1812%), September 30 (1.3152%), November 2 (1.5%), always used a combination of profit and "a reduction in our contingent liability reserves"
[2016-11-16 17:31:17] rapidtrades : if hackers 'return the money' we can be sure that there were no hackers in the first place
[2016-11-16 17:31:30] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: agreed here
[2016-11-16 17:31:34] j8 : Rado: yeah man i'm down
[2016-11-16 17:31:38] arbitrage001 : have to be someone within bitfinex
[2016-11-16 17:31:46] Rado : j8: cool, will ping you
[2016-11-16 17:32:03] j8 : i'm.. always here
[2016-11-16 17:32:07] j8 : lol
[2016-11-16 17:32:20] arbitrage001 : j8: must be profiting nicely?
[2016-11-16 17:32:31] j8 : can't complain
[2016-11-16 17:32:54] arbitrage001 : are you european?
[2016-11-16 17:32:58] arbitrage001 : or asian
[2016-11-16 17:33:02] j8 : canada
[2016-11-16 17:46:00] jung1 : anyone is short here?
[2016-11-16 17:46:14] arbitrage001 : jung1: me
[2016-11-16 17:46:29] arbitrage001 : sup, want to sponsor some anal cream?
[2016-11-16 17:46:43] habibi : jung1: nope, everyone is long here this time
[2016-11-16 17:47:07] arbitrage001 : habibi: every trade has a counter party
[2016-11-16 17:47:44] habibi : arbitrage001: reaaaalyy?
[2016-11-16 17:48:06] arbitrage001 : habibi: yes
[2016-11-16 17:48:29] arbitrage001 : reaaaaaaaalyy
[2016-11-16 17:48:40] habibi : arbitrage001: that's interesing, could u elaborate on that? how does it work?
[2016-11-16 17:51:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 700 @ 0.013760
[2016-11-16 17:58:12] jung1 : heh
[2016-11-16 17:58:12] jung1 : mark price is 10$ below
[2016-11-16 17:58:13] miramm1115 : nice premium
[2016-11-16 18:01:31] jpc : Thu must sell
[2016-11-16 18:03:57] j8 : anything more than 0.5% premium over mark is ADL danger zone
[2016-11-16 18:04:36] sleger : j8: shhht
[2016-11-16 18:05:14] j8 : sleger: make it clear that the market will break, then they'll lift the funding cap
[2016-11-16 18:05:17] mjones : Rip xmr
[2016-11-16 18:05:25] sleger : j8: just play the game
[2016-11-16 18:05:36] sleger : unfortunately my position is too big for that
[2016-11-16 18:07:26] j8 : with many accounts you could.
[2016-11-16 18:07:56] rapidtrades : $7 premium, sweet
[2016-11-16 18:08:02] arbitrage001 : j8: did they say they will raise cap and reduce lleverage?
[2016-11-16 18:08:19] rapidtrades : we're looking at couple of nice funding periods
[2016-11-16 18:08:37] j8 : i think at one point wally said they would do that if necessary
[2016-11-16 18:09:44] arbitrage001 : nice
[2016-11-16 18:09:53] sleger : it is necessary now
[2016-11-16 18:09:55] arbitrage001 : i have no objection on getting paid 3 a day
[2016-11-16 18:10:01] arbitrage001 : 3%
[2016-11-16 18:11:22] rapidtrades : yeah i want 3% per day too
[2016-11-16 18:12:41] QuantFocus : uhh, me too
[2016-11-16 18:12:54] QuantFocus : so it's decided
[2016-11-16 18:13:10] arbitrage001 : yeah, let's vote arthur out
[2016-11-16 18:13:35] arbitrage001 : put rapid in charge
[2016-11-16 18:14:15] mjones : Xbtz16 for high leverage. Xbtusd higher cap and lower leverage
[2016-11-16 18:14:35] wurstgelee : okc quarterlies just made a new year high
[2016-11-16 18:15:22] mjones : Crazy. Someone has like 100,000 contracts long there
[2016-11-16 18:15:42] arbitrage001 : mjones: probably some chinese
[2016-11-16 18:15:44] sleger : mjones: ?
[2016-11-16 18:15:50] Rado : mjones: 100k is nothing
[2016-11-16 18:15:54] sleger : zec contracts ?
[2016-11-16 18:16:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 8789 @ 780.01
[2016-11-16 18:16:04] Rado : I think he means XBT
[2016-11-16 18:16:14] mjones : 0kcoin quarterly long
[2016-11-16 18:16:19] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-16 18:16:43] arbitrage001 : 100k is chuck change for businessman in china
[2016-11-16 18:17:01] j8 : chump change?
[2016-11-16 18:17:03] mjones : Xbtz16 almost new high
[2016-11-16 18:17:29] wurstgelee : mjones: makes sense with quarterlies @ okc doing the same ;)
[2016-11-16 18:17:40] QuantFocus : i'll take chuck's change
[2016-11-16 18:17:53] arbitrage001 : chunk change
[2016-11-16 18:18:07] QuantFocus : woah boy. that xbtz basis
[2016-11-16 18:18:33] arbitrage001 : QuantFocus: good time to lock in the long term rate
[2016-11-16 18:18:34] wurstgelee : there we go...
[2016-11-16 18:19:30] sleger : short rekt are going to suck the insurance fund
[2016-11-16 18:19:56] arbitrage001 : thought adl already solve the insurance fund problem?
[2016-11-16 18:20:13] mjones : At least shorts rarely get called unlike longs which lag this site
[2016-11-16 18:20:17] QuantFocus : does ADL only kick in after insurance is drained?
[2016-11-16 18:20:51] JamesPolo : Why is price here so expensive ?
[2016-11-16 18:21:03] jung1 : JamesPolo: its future
[2016-11-16 18:21:15] mjones : Which one? Jamespolo
[2016-11-16 18:21:28] esuvari : who in their right mind would be shorting this?
[2016-11-16 18:21:37] arbitrage001 : esuvari: me
[2016-11-16 18:21:43] arbitrage001 : and many other
[2016-11-16 18:21:50] arbitrage001 : i am sure slegar and j8 also
[2016-11-16 18:21:51] esuvari : cmon guys, you'll get liquidated and auto deleverage us
[2016-11-16 18:22:03] esuvari : stop it
[2016-11-16 18:22:09] arbitrage001 : stop what?
[2016-11-16 18:22:14] esuvari : shorting
[2016-11-16 18:22:22] mjones : Lol
[2016-11-16 18:22:24] sleger : esuvari: you want everyone on bitmex long ?
[2016-11-16 18:22:25] arbitrage001 : if no one shorting, how is going to be your counter party?
[2016-11-16 18:22:31] arbitrage001 : who
[2016-11-16 18:22:31] mjones : ^
[2016-11-16 18:22:47] esuvari : I want them to short responsibly and close it in time before liquidation
[2016-11-16 18:22:54] mjones : Short eth 33x for mad gainz
[2016-11-16 18:23:29] habibi : mm on xbjz16 come back
[2016-11-16 18:24:11] mjones : Run away pump xbtz16
[2016-11-16 18:25:02] shiroe : i shorted, need to test 5000 houbi support.
[2016-11-16 18:25:36] mjones : Gotta retest 5499 cny
[2016-11-16 18:25:46] habibi : shiroe: hope u on safe leverage :)
[2016-11-16 18:25:50] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-16 18:25:56] wurstgelee : shorting right now?
[2016-11-16 18:25:57] wurstgelee : .....
[2016-11-16 18:26:08] shiroe : Yep, liq is 850. haha
[2016-11-16 18:26:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2000 @ 738.69
[2016-11-16 18:26:18] wurstgelee : still no reason....
[2016-11-16 18:26:18] habibi : so lets go there then
[2016-11-16 18:26:26] mjones : Xbtz16 almost ath since it was created. No shorts will be in profit
[2016-11-16 18:27:36] Dtrade16 : you guys shorting btc rn?
[2016-11-16 18:27:45] mjones : Yeah
[2016-11-16 18:27:55] mjones : Someone has to do why not me
[2016-11-16 18:28:51] wurstgelee : tbh shorted some xbtusd 2 ;)
[2016-11-16 18:28:59] wurstgelee : holding z16
[2016-11-16 18:30:32] j8 : 58% p.a... nice
[2016-11-16 18:34:16] arbitrage001 : j8: think it will reverse soon?
[2016-11-16 18:34:29] arbitrage001 : or hold the pa for long?
[2016-11-16 18:34:40] j8 : 53 now :)
[2016-11-16 18:34:46] arbitrage001 : not sure why MM not taking advantage
[2016-11-16 18:34:50] mjones : Btc going back down. Xmr new low
[2016-11-16 18:35:15] j8 : really it's the china premium and okc quarterly driving it
[2016-11-16 18:35:29] arbitrage001 : as usual
[2016-11-16 18:36:10] j8 : i don't know what to expect if this is the start of a mega rally. okc capped the premium at 8% last time
[2016-11-16 18:36:54] j8 : after it went up to 15% on serious fomo
[2016-11-16 18:37:15] shiroe : shorts looking good at 745 :)
[2016-11-16 18:38:01] Dtrade16 : What's the target?
[2016-11-16 18:38:12] Dtrade16 : Even tho I don't have a position lol
[2016-11-16 18:38:57] +1 : Anyone know what will happen to position if no balance to pay funding?
[2016-11-16 18:39:45] sleger : cant happen
[2016-11-16 18:40:01] sleger : funding is prereserved
[2016-11-16 18:40:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.013460
[2016-11-16 18:40:54] +1 : sleger: Tq.
[2016-11-16 18:41:15] sleger : Tq means Than qyou ?
[2016-11-16 18:41:44] +1 : sleger: Thank you.
[2016-11-16 18:41:51] +1 : LOL
[2016-11-16 18:42:19] Dtrade16 : Is it true someone bought 500k btc?
[2016-11-16 18:42:25] +1 : Should have shorted at 750..fuhh
[2016-11-16 18:42:30] Dtrade16 : and that's the reason for the spike?
[2016-11-16 18:43:03] +1 : Dtrade16: Rumours according to cryptocoinnews
[2016-11-16 18:43:11] shiroe : longed xmr thnx :)
[2016-11-16 18:43:18] habibi : any links ?
[2016-11-16 18:43:29] j8 : pretty sure you'd get a bigger spike trying to buy 500k btc
[2016-11-16 18:43:32] Dtrade16 : That's insane if true
[2016-11-16 18:43:39] Dtrade16 : True
[2016-11-16 18:43:45] Dtrade16 : 500k is insane
[2016-11-16 18:43:51] Boontjie : j8: all at once?
[2016-11-16 18:43:57] arbitrage001 : anyone trying to buy 500k btc will keep it quiet
[2016-11-16 18:44:02] habibi : arbitrage001: +1
[2016-11-16 18:44:10] mjones : Eth falling new low. That is going to dump hard
[2016-11-16 18:44:11] j8 : Boontjie: well that was the premise. of course you could do it slowly
[2016-11-16 18:44:51] Dtrade16 : how can you hide that lol
[2016-11-16 18:45:15] j8 : buy 1000 btc every day for 500 days
[2016-11-16 18:45:15] Dtrade16 : true
[2016-11-16 18:46:02] Dtrade16 : but i think if someone did buy that much we would have a way bigger move
[2016-11-16 18:46:11] j8 : yes
[2016-11-16 18:46:30] habibi : hope he bought chunk of it from Ver so he can finally end his experience with btc
[2016-11-16 18:46:46] Dtrade16 : i think whn btc gets regulation we will see a massive move upward
[2016-11-16 18:46:53] rapidtrades : Roger Ver i such a douche
[2016-11-16 18:47:13] Rekted : Dtrade16: maybe he start to buy the first 10 k^^
[2016-11-16 18:47:14] rapidtrades : he was the guy that praised buttfinex for the cut right?
[2016-11-16 18:48:15] Dtrade16 : That's when institutions will get in
[2016-11-16 18:48:39] Dtrade16 : Right now btc is like the wild wild west
[2016-11-16 18:49:05] QuantFocus : Dtrade16: better than 4 years ago
[2016-11-16 18:49:23] Dtrade16 : that doesn't matter tho
[2016-11-16 18:49:34] QuantFocus : progress is important
[2016-11-16 18:49:40] Dtrade16 : yes its for sure
[2016-11-16 18:49:40] QuantFocus : it's not binary
[2016-11-16 18:49:59] Dtrade16 : but i mean, until it becomes regulated
[2016-11-16 18:50:03] Dtrade16 : nothing wiill happen
[2016-11-16 18:50:07] Dtrade16 : big money wont flow in
[2016-11-16 18:50:14] JamesPolo : Down we go
[2016-11-16 18:50:22] QuantFocus : i'd argue it's already flowing in
[2016-11-16 18:50:35] Dtrade16 : From who?
[2016-11-16 18:50:39] QuantFocus : not to the extent it can be...but we're seeing it
[2016-11-16 18:50:42] shiroe : too early for christmas to go 1k btc.
[2016-11-16 18:51:07] +1 : habibi: sorry it was coindesk.. says sources from whaleclub said its all rumours http://www.coindesk.com/price-bitcoin-just-spiked-30-one-hour/ Means it's shorting time?
[2016-11-16 18:51:09] Dtrade16 : Big money I mean hedge funds and stuff
[2016-11-16 18:51:46] QuantFocus : Dtrade16: yea. if you think there aren't already hedge funds with btc positions, you're being naive
[2016-11-16 18:52:00] Dtrade16 : QuantFocus: source?
[2016-11-16 18:52:51] Dtrade16 : And they may have positions but very small
[2016-11-16 18:52:54] QuantFocus : just my own personal insight
[2016-11-16 18:53:07] Dtrade16 : like a fraction of their portfolio
[2016-11-16 18:53:17] mjones : 500,000 btc order on exchanges doesn't sound right
[2016-11-16 18:53:20] QuantFocus : yea, but that's how money managers work
[2016-11-16 18:53:33] QuantFocus : like, someone might be invested in apple, with a fraction of their portfolio
[2016-11-16 18:53:36] QuantFocus : 1-3%
[2016-11-16 18:53:40] mjones : Whalenoobs
[2016-11-16 18:54:44] wurstgelee : plopp
[2016-11-16 18:55:16] Dtrade16 : I don't mean 1-3% though
[2016-11-16 18:55:20] j8 : so on that spike, okc had hourly volume of 328k btc, huobi had 343k btc. both are meaningless
[2016-11-16 18:55:28] wurstgelee : the sound of shorts. soon. ;)
[2016-11-16 18:55:35] Dtrade16 : Maybe like half a percent
[2016-11-16 18:55:37] Dtrade16 : if that
[2016-11-16 18:56:01] QuantFocus : anyway. i agree more capital will come in with regulation, but don't think they're completely on the sidelines
[2016-11-16 18:56:02] Dtrade16 : For big funds, maybe not even that much
[2016-11-16 18:56:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1000 @ 739.69
[2016-11-16 18:56:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.013400
[2016-11-16 18:57:00] wurstgelee : i need more popcorn
[2016-11-16 18:57:02] wurstgelee : and a drink
[2016-11-16 18:57:28] JamesPolo : Thefk
[2016-11-16 18:57:28] Dtrade16 : QuantFocus: It's just too risky
[2016-11-16 18:57:58] +1 : Is there any effect buying 1 dollar of bitcoin ?
[2016-11-16 18:58:07] Dtrade16 : They may have a bit of money in but when regulation happens, if it ever does, then we will see a lot of money coming in
[2016-11-16 18:59:00] jung1 : so its that famous moon time?
[2016-11-16 18:59:04] +1 : I mean to the price..
[2016-11-16 18:59:05] Dtrade16 : I also don't think we're going to go much past these prices
[2016-11-16 18:59:14] Dtrade16 : maybe 900-1000 usd max
[2016-11-16 18:59:21] jung1 : why?
[2016-11-16 18:59:45] Dtrade16 : any asset that is owned by the majority is subject to manipulation
[2016-11-16 18:59:47] Dtrade16 : like gold
[2016-11-16 18:59:53] Dtrade16 : gold is heavily manipulated
[2016-11-16 19:00:04] Dtrade16 : it should be in the 1000s right now
[2016-11-16 19:00:18] Dtrade16 : but its growth is controlled
[2016-11-16 19:01:11] Dtrade16 : its a form of control by the elite
[2016-11-16 19:01:29] Dtrade16 : economic control on people
[2016-11-16 19:02:27] sleger : Dtrade16: gold should be in the 1000s ?
[2016-11-16 19:02:37] sleger : unlike now ?
[2016-11-16 19:03:52] Dtrade16 : I mean like 4000-5000k
[2016-11-16 19:03:58] Dtrade16 : way more than what it is now
[2016-11-16 19:04:12] sleger : 5000k ? wow that's a lot
[2016-11-16 19:04:16] sleger : 5 million dollars ????
[2016-11-16 19:04:20] Dtrade16 : its growth is pathetic given its immense value
[2016-11-16 19:04:25] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-16 19:04:51] Dtrade16 : you have governments stealing ppls money and gold is barely moving
[2016-11-16 19:04:51] sleger : this guy must have skipped kindergarten math school ...
[2016-11-16 19:05:09] Dtrade16 : Not really a lot
[2016-11-16 19:05:19] Dtrade16 : Given the supply and demand concept
[2016-11-16 19:05:32] wurstgelee : gold should be worth 4-5m $?
[2016-11-16 19:05:41] sleger : it only needs to go up a few thousand times
[2016-11-16 19:05:41] dasdfasdf : market cap
[2016-11-16 19:05:53] QuantFocus : long gold
[2016-11-16 19:05:53] Dtrade16 : It should be worth well over 1200
[2016-11-16 19:05:56] sleger : "dasdfasdf: market cap" lol
[2016-11-16 19:06:07] sleger : 5 million $ market cap for gold
[2016-11-16 19:06:14] dasdfasdf : sleger: all in
[2016-11-16 19:06:25] sleger : you probably dont know what you are saying
[2016-11-16 19:06:33] Dtrade16 : Ok I don't
[2016-11-16 19:06:40] sleger : just words put together and vomitted all at once
[2016-11-16 19:06:56] Dtrade16 : I'm saying gold is heavily manipulated
[2016-11-16 19:07:08] sleger : you also said it should be worth "5000k"
[2016-11-16 19:07:17] sleger : after saying it should be in the "1000s"
[2016-11-16 19:07:43] Dtrade16 : I mean $4000-5000
[2016-11-16 19:08:43] Dtrade16 : Given time, supply and demand it hasn't moved
[2016-11-16 19:08:45] Dtrade16 : At all
[2016-11-16 19:09:01] Dtrade16 : You don't think that's a little weird?