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[2016-11-16 14:37:11] wurstgelee : wtf is stamp doing?
[2016-11-16 14:37:36] wurstgelee : not much confidence there ;)
[2016-11-16 14:38:43] wurstgelee : ~$14 on a 200+ CNY move seems off
[2016-11-16 14:39:45] jung1 : Rumor has it that bitfinex needs to temporarily shut down for some minor fixes.
[2016-11-16 14:40:01] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-16 14:40:07] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-16 14:40:42] jung1 : okcoin hits 5499 http://i.imgur.com/9fZc8Qf.png
[2016-11-16 14:40:51] wurstgelee : fucking risk limit banners
[2016-11-16 14:43:33] jung1 : damn its still climbing
[2016-11-16 14:44:05] wurstgelee : stamp has a lot of catching up to do
[2016-11-16 14:48:12] anonymous789 : jung1: i went long at 705
[2016-11-16 14:48:29] jung1 : nice
[2016-11-16 14:48:40] jung1 : I went at 702 but closed it at 716
[2016-11-16 14:48:48] jung1 : and missed that pump
[2016-11-16 14:48:50] jung1 : : ///
[2016-11-16 14:48:54] anonymous789 : but you were telling everyone to short? lol
[2016-11-16 14:49:16] jung1 : yup
[2016-11-16 14:49:21] mjones : xbtusd gonna rekt more once bitstamp wakes up
[2016-11-16 14:49:35] jung1 : but change my mind and closed short with -10%
[2016-11-16 14:49:49] mjones : stamp $27 behind
[2016-11-16 14:51:30] anonymous789 : jung1: aah okay i went short at 721 and closed in profit at 706 and opened a long position at 705
[2016-11-16 14:51:50] anonymous789 : it broke that key downtrend on the hourly at the 705 level
[2016-11-16 14:52:15] jung1 : gratz!
[2016-11-16 14:52:49] anonymous789 : thanks i see further upside now if it breaks this key 740 and then the 750 level
[2016-11-16 14:53:10] anonymous789 : above 750 it could moon
[2016-11-16 14:54:03] jung1 : keep that long
[2016-11-16 14:54:27] jung1 : I will try to catch it around 720
[2016-11-16 14:54:43] anonymous789 : you think there is going to be some retracement at this level?
[2016-11-16 14:55:29] Rado : morning
[2016-11-16 14:55:45] jung1 : hello
[2016-11-16 14:56:26] jung1 : well it could be but seems like this guy was right https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/g9n4rJ0L-The-way-coup-and-handle-can-break-up/
[2016-11-16 14:56:36] jung1 : ahh fuck my weak hands
[2016-11-16 14:57:16] anonymous789 : yes i feel it may retrace 38% on the fibonnaci retracement levels which would mean around the 731 level, and then i think it is going higher
[2016-11-16 14:57:34] anonymous789 : will probably be looking to close my long if i see 2 confirmations of a lower high on the hourly
[2016-11-16 14:57:36] Rado : so was I
[2016-11-16 14:58:17] wurstgelee : sitting in my xbtz16 long and waiting for more to come ;)
[2016-11-16 14:59:40] Rado : wurstgelee: did you long yesterday or earlier?
[2016-11-16 14:59:50] Rado : I am selling some
[2016-11-16 14:59:53] anonymous789 : the hourly looks incredibly bullish imo though, higher lows, big volume on this recent rally
[2016-11-16 14:59:58] jung1 : 5199
[2016-11-16 15:00:02] wurstgelee : earlier ( before the fun started)
[2016-11-16 15:00:03] wurstgelee : closed
[2016-11-16 15:00:06] wurstgelee : and reopened ;)
[2016-11-16 15:00:23] anonymous789 : wurstgelee: what was your rationale to closing your long early?
[2016-11-16 15:00:40] wurstgelee : too much too fast
[2016-11-16 15:00:44] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-16 15:00:59] wurstgelee : big premium here etc...
[2016-11-16 15:01:02] anonymous789 : oh okay, so just gut instinct then lol
[2016-11-16 15:01:10] wurstgelee : hehe, yep :)
[2016-11-16 15:01:23] anonymous789 : i didn't close my long from 705 because the chart was still making higher lows on the hourly
[2016-11-16 15:02:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 2000 @ 771.22
[2016-11-16 15:02:16] Rado : anonymous789: isn't higher lows bulish?
[2016-11-16 15:02:22] anonymous789 : absolutely
[2016-11-16 15:02:30] Rado : then why close?
[2016-11-16 15:02:31] anonymous789 : i opened a long position at 705
[2016-11-16 15:02:32] wurstgelee : thats why he kept part of it ;)
[2016-11-16 15:02:38] anonymous789 : nah i kept all of it
[2016-11-16 15:02:40] wurstgelee : or all of it
[2016-11-16 15:02:43] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-11-16 15:02:49] anonymous789 : it's still open
[2016-11-16 15:02:55] anonymous789 : the chart is still making higher lows
[2016-11-16 15:02:59] Rado : anonymous789: I opened at 705 as well
[2016-11-16 15:03:01] anonymous789 : on the shorter timescales
[2016-11-16 15:03:13] anonymous789 : nice, maybe we're running a similar strategy haha
[2016-11-16 15:03:23] Rado : 849.03%
[2016-11-16 15:03:28] anonymous789 : 705 was a key level for me, as it broke the downtrend line on the hourly
[2016-11-16 15:03:33] wurstgelee : that small dump attempt was undone fast
[2016-11-16 15:03:36] anonymous789 : oh wow, i only used 5x leverage lol
[2016-11-16 15:03:53] anonymous789 : btc is way too risky to use high leverage
[2016-11-16 15:04:11] wurstgelee : it works fine for me tbh ;)
[2016-11-16 15:04:16] Rado : anonymous789: not really
[2016-11-16 15:04:22] anonymous789 : i think you have to be incredibly lucky
[2016-11-16 15:04:34] Rado : if you use stops, nothing to worry about
[2016-11-16 15:04:46] anonymous789 : i used to do that a couple years back, put ccrazy leverage on stuff then wiped my accounts
[2016-11-16 15:04:53] wurstgelee : nope, u have to consider margin call as a guaranteed stoploss
[2016-11-16 15:04:54] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-16 15:05:02] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 15:05:20] Rado : anonymous789: you were using too much of your balance
[2016-11-16 15:05:22] anonymous789 : yeah i can't determine stops well lol, i have no discipline so i use my liquidation price as stop loss jaja
[2016-11-16 15:05:31] anonymous789 : hah*
[2016-11-16 15:05:34] Rado : I am at 0.39x leverage
[2016-11-16 15:05:44] anonymous789 : oh okay
[2016-11-16 15:05:58] anonymous789 : yeah i am using all balance on lower leverage
[2016-11-16 15:06:17] wurstgelee : hmm.... i will tell u the amount of xbtz16 i hold and my leverage after i closed
[2016-11-16 15:06:24] wurstgelee : i fear i will anger the gods if i do now
[2016-11-16 15:06:25] wurstgelee : :P
[2016-11-16 15:06:27] anonymous789 : hehe
[2016-11-16 15:07:14] Rado : to bad I didn't short more alt coins
[2016-11-16 15:07:18] Rado : all of them dumped
[2016-11-16 15:07:35] anonymous789 : i try and set my leverage so that liquidation price is somewhere highly unrealistic so currently liq price is 591 which i highly doubt it will dump too lol
[2016-11-16 15:07:51] wurstgelee : i instashorted xmr and eth as btc went up
[2016-11-16 15:07:57] wurstgelee : didnt even check the price tbh
[2016-11-16 15:08:15] jung1 : http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/cf-bitcoin-reference-rate.html
[2016-11-16 15:08:15] jung1 : 711
[2016-11-16 15:08:16] jung1 : hehe'
[2016-11-16 15:08:18] Rado : anonymous789: my liq price is 216.17
[2016-11-16 15:08:31] anonymous789 : oh okay
[2016-11-16 15:08:34] Rado : but I don't want to see if that could happen so I have a stop at all times
[2016-11-16 15:08:46] Rado : so it doesn't matter where liq is
[2016-11-16 15:09:03] anonymous789 : yeah that's a good idea but i haven't got the skills to set a stop haha
[2016-11-16 15:09:05] Rado : which reminds me I have to change my stop higher
[2016-11-16 15:09:48] Rado : well you have to choose carefully
[2016-11-16 15:10:16] Rado : sometimes it will stop you out, but maybe you picked the wrong direction
[2016-11-16 15:10:19] Rado : so it's good
[2016-11-16 15:10:51] anonymous789 : the reason i gave up on stoplosses is because i lost a lot of money setting stops too tight even though i had predicted the eventual direction correctly
[2016-11-16 15:12:52] Rado : why did you set them too tight?
[2016-11-16 15:13:21] Rado : you need to consider the average move/range
[2016-11-16 15:13:58] Rado : so China is $30 higher
[2016-11-16 15:14:13] Rado : it will take a couple of days to get down to $10
[2016-11-16 15:14:15] anonymous789 : oh yea i was using the ATR to set it but i just didn't do a good job ever
[2016-11-16 15:14:51] Rado : obviously we are going to consolidate
[2016-11-16 15:15:37] Rado : I think we should revisit $725
[2016-11-16 15:16:00] anonymous789 : 718 is where the support is, 38% fib retracement puts us at 731
[2016-11-16 15:16:28] Rado : I just came up with a round number of 725
[2016-11-16 15:16:30] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-16 15:16:31] anonymous789 : so i guess if it goes lower than 731 it will go to the next fib retracement level and possibly move up unless it sets a lower high
[2016-11-16 15:16:41] anonymous789 : Rado: haha
[2016-11-16 15:16:41] Rado : will short some swap for a scalp
[2016-11-16 15:17:03] anonymous789 : i always try and have a reason for saying something haha
[2016-11-16 15:17:04] jung1 : agree with 725
[2016-11-16 15:17:53] anonymous789 : 724 is the 61% fib retracement level so you're probably right haha
[2016-11-16 15:19:54] jung1 : teamwork is better as you can see. Better to make money together
[2016-11-16 15:19:58] jung1 : one love
[2016-11-16 15:20:00] jung1 : or something
[2016-11-16 15:20:02] anonymous789 : :)
[2016-11-16 15:20:44] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-16 15:20:49] wurstgelee : lol ;)
[2016-11-16 15:20:56] Rado : specially when we are small community
[2016-11-16 15:21:12] wurstgelee : unfortunately i agree and have closed 3/4 of my long....
[2016-11-16 15:21:27] Rado : growing slowly
[2016-11-16 15:21:35] Rado : up 100 users from yesterday
[2016-11-16 15:21:54] Rado : 666 users
[2016-11-16 15:21:55] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 15:22:01] anonymous789 : i'm not smart enough to scale out of trades lol
[2016-11-16 15:22:18] wurstgelee : basically i dumped in 4 steps :p
[2016-11-16 15:22:26] anonymous789 : lol
[2016-11-16 15:22:51] anonymous789 : i tried that strategy in the past too, didn't work well for me lol
[2016-11-16 15:23:06] wurstgelee : now that its closed: 67.5k, 50x
[2016-11-16 15:23:09] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-16 15:23:22] jung1 : yeah its awesome here
[2016-11-16 15:23:22] anonymous789 : nice :)
[2016-11-16 15:23:25] jung1 : same people since 150 users
[2016-11-16 15:23:37] jung1 : and now we traded over 15% of bitcoin market cap
[2016-11-16 15:23:44] jung1 : its kinda cool
[2016-11-16 15:25:46] wurstgelee : yep :)
[2016-11-16 15:26:09] RocketScience : market maker abandoned the jpy 30 dec builing
[2016-11-16 15:26:19] Rado : in 13 hours funding rate will be 0.33%
[2016-11-16 15:26:20] RocketScience : quoine has gigantic spread
[2016-11-16 15:26:27] wurstgelee : Rado: yep
[2016-11-16 15:30:10] Rado : ZEC holding here
[2016-11-16 15:30:10] jung1 : but exchanges seems follow
[2016-11-16 15:30:29] Rado : this might mean that low will be somewhere between 0.07 and 0.14
[2016-11-16 15:30:51] rapidtrades : Rado: how do u plan to cashout without banks?
[2016-11-16 15:31:18] Rado : rapidtrades: cashout on what?
[2016-11-16 15:31:23] wurstgelee : Rado: yep. which makes longs from ~ .06 a great thing ;)
[2016-11-16 15:31:46] rapidtrades : Rado: profits? i thought u said ur leaving 'the system'
[2016-11-16 15:32:02] Rado : right
[2016-11-16 15:32:08] Rado : so no fiat
[2016-11-16 15:32:13] Rado : everything in BTC
[2016-11-16 15:32:34] Rado : I have 3 different debit cards that I can spend BTC
[2016-11-16 15:33:54] Rado : I also have GoldMoney mastercard
[2016-11-16 15:34:06] Rado : can spend my gold :-)
[2016-11-16 15:34:24] Rado : why would you ever need dollars
[2016-11-16 15:34:37] jung1 : you know that you will be bilionaire in like 15yrs?
[2016-11-16 15:34:46] rapidtrades : to live? @Rado
[2016-11-16 15:34:54] viptrader : wow
[2016-11-16 15:34:59] viptrader : told you to long this yesterday
[2016-11-16 15:35:03] meh : still holding my short 8-) bit uncomfortable @ ~17x leverage tho =/
[2016-11-16 15:35:03] viptrader : at the bottom
[2016-11-16 15:35:07] viptrader : good job guys
[2016-11-16 15:35:07] RoftheN : But a billionaire isn't even that great in 15 years due the somewhat hyperinflation. A Billion isn't that much anymore
[2016-11-16 15:35:34] Rado : rapidtrades: as I said I can get cash from ATM or swipe my card
[2016-11-16 15:37:19] Rado : RoftheN: when they change the dollar 100 to 1 you can pay off your mortgage with 10 btc
[2016-11-16 15:37:19] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 15:38:17] rapidtrades : Rado: what cards do u use? smth like bitstamps?
[2016-11-16 15:38:29] jung1 : and buy some island for monthly bitmex trollbox meetups
[2016-11-16 15:41:38] Rado : rapidtrades: tangerine debit card (no fees), amazon.ca credit card (no foreign transaction fees) goldmoney (Gold), coinjar (BTC) swipe, wirexapp (BTC)
[2016-11-16 15:46:07] jeeburns : Is it possible to close a portion of your position or does the whole thing have to go?
[2016-11-16 15:46:10] jeeburns : just curious thanks
[2016-11-16 15:46:40] jung1 : btw it will be funny if that just wont dump until 1000
[2016-11-16 15:47:42] Rado : jeeburns: you can
[2016-11-16 15:48:17] Rado : jeeburns: also the fees will be the same regardless of if you close all at once or in 10 different trades
[2016-11-16 15:48:56] jeeburns : oh ok thanks, i just figured out how to do it, thank you
[2016-11-16 15:50:10] jung1 : finex and stamp have same proce
[2016-11-16 15:50:37] Rado : finex is weird lately
[2016-11-16 15:51:46] thomaskikansha : stamp dumpage
[2016-11-16 15:52:59] jung1 : Rado: Rumor has it that bitfinex needs to temporarily shut down for some minor fixes.
[2016-11-16 15:53:23] rapidtrades : lol 'temporarily'
[2016-11-16 15:53:36] wurstgelee : if the do, its dumping time.... once again oO
[2016-11-16 15:53:42] wurstgelee : *y
[2016-11-16 15:54:06] rapidtrades : €28,374,050 / €74,314,909 with 14 days to go
[2016-11-16 16:02:24] rapidtrades : This Dollar rally, relentless
[2016-11-16 16:02:30] jung1 : china hold tight
[2016-11-16 16:03:11] rapidtrades : bitcoin should be well supported as long as this dollar rally continues
[2016-11-16 16:03:26] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-16 16:03:33] wurstgelee : should be ;)
[2016-11-16 16:04:09] rapidtrades : once it stops tho bottom will fall out of the market :)
[2016-11-16 16:04:09] Rado : rapidtrades: is it really the news article that popped BTC?
[2016-11-16 16:04:33] rapidtrades : Rado: idk but today new lows for Yuan and highs for Dollar all around
[2016-11-16 16:04:46] rapidtrades : hard to tell in this envinroment
[2016-11-16 16:04:59] jung1 : IMO that news about CME moves price
[2016-11-16 16:05:00] Rado : I guess someone decided to buy a big chunk and everyone followed
[2016-11-16 16:06:36] Rado : Oops: Neutral monetary policy generates at best a slow recovery and, at worst, permanent stagnation - NY Fed. So more QE?
[2016-11-16 16:06:47] Rado : FED will never raise rates
[2016-11-16 16:07:09] Rado : they just lie and people believe them
[2016-11-16 16:07:12] rapidtrades : Dec odds were 94% yday
[2016-11-16 16:07:24] Rado : people are stupid
[2016-11-16 16:07:31] Rado : how can odds be 94%
[2016-11-16 16:07:34] rapidtrades : i think its 50/50 shot considering the dollar strenght but not 94%
[2016-11-16 16:07:43] Rado : exactly
[2016-11-16 16:07:54] rapidtrades : Rado: the plan was to raise post-election all along
[2016-11-16 16:08:04] Rado : who's plan?
[2016-11-16 16:08:04] rapidtrades : but the thought Hillary would win
[2016-11-16 16:08:10] rapidtrades : Rado: Fed
[2016-11-16 16:08:12] Rado : the FED never intended to raise rates
[2016-11-16 16:08:15] Rado : imo
[2016-11-16 16:08:24] rapidtrades : they already did last year in Dec
[2016-11-16 16:08:25] Rado : they just play political ganes
[2016-11-16 16:08:43] Rado : and then everyone thought they will raise more in 2016
[2016-11-16 16:08:46] Rado : we know what happened
[2016-11-16 16:09:04] Newmex : hello how do i deposit btc? cant find the deposit option anywhere
[2016-11-16 16:09:24] Rado : Account -> Green Deposit button
[2016-11-16 16:09:30] Rado : Newmex: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-11-16 16:09:36] rapidtrades : well no, market never believed the 4 rate increases, they were pricing in one/two tops
[2016-11-16 16:09:41] Newmex : ty
[2016-11-16 16:10:21] Rado : brb
[2016-11-16 16:11:09] thomaskikansha : 0.35% funding in 12 hrs
[2016-11-16 16:11:38] sleger : thomaskikansha: NO
[2016-11-16 16:12:47] wurstgelee : no
[2016-11-16 16:21:05] rapidtrades : Rado: that wirex card is not bad, but how much does it cost overall to deposit bitcoin before u can spend?
[2016-11-16 16:21:25] rapidtrades : like overall, load fees, spread, commish included?
[2016-11-16 16:21:39] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: bitcoin atm fee cost a ton
[2016-11-16 16:21:43] arbitrage001 : totally not worth it
[2016-11-16 16:22:30] arbitrage001 : not just atm, also transaction fee
[2016-11-16 16:22:32] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: says 2.75 euro?
[2016-11-16 16:22:44] arbitrage001 : what about slipage
[2016-11-16 16:22:47] chromaticcr1 : I prefer advcash
[2016-11-16 16:22:55] rapidtrades : well idk that's why im asking @arbitrage001
[2016-11-16 16:22:58] Rado : rapidtrades: I haven't deposited yet, but after a lot of research these are the ones I opened accounts with
[2016-11-16 16:23:12] rapidtrades : Rado: i see
[2016-11-16 16:23:18] aethlios : best card is coinsbank, have tested many, it also has a live exchange to trade your btc at the price you like.
[2016-11-16 16:23:26] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: do u use it day to day?
[2016-11-16 16:23:31] arbitrage001 : i remember using bitpay to pay for btc miner before
[2016-11-16 16:23:45] arbitrage001 : better off just use normal credit card
[2016-11-16 16:23:49] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: no
[2016-11-16 16:26:23] rapidtrades : aethlios: price per btc is much lower then market tho, is that normal?
[2016-11-16 16:26:42] Rado : aethlios: ATM fees are very high for coinsbank
[2016-11-16 16:27:44] rapidtrades : Rado: 4.95e
[2016-11-16 16:28:06] rapidtrades : the $100 card is 3.95
[2016-11-16 16:29:00] aethlios : rapidtrades: why lower? there is a spread bid ask, place first ask. other cards exchange your btc in a 1.5% to 2.5% lower than spot, that's the way they make money. only in coinsbank you can sell the btc in favorable price.
[2016-11-16 16:29:41] aethlios : what i do is I wait in the month for a pump, and sell for eur the month's btc i will spend for living.
[2016-11-16 16:30:04] rapidtrades : cmon.....
[2016-11-16 16:30:48] rapidtrades : if prices are consistently 1-1.5% below market then 'waiting for a pump' doesn't change anything
[2016-11-16 16:31:34] aethlios : now coinsbank bid ask 678.2-680.9 and kraken 680.4-681
[2016-11-16 16:31:54] jung1 : there is also pretty cool card from spectrocoin
[2016-11-16 16:32:19] rapidtrades : aethlios: ah i see....looks like euro market is depressed right now
[2016-11-16 16:32:33] rapidtrades : that's $726
[2016-11-16 16:32:51] aethlios : they also have a cashback 0.5% of each pos expense you do, and use the cashback to pay the atm withdraw fee. I don't pay withdraw fee, it uses the cashback
[2016-11-16 16:33:23] rapidtrades : that's a neat feature
[2016-11-16 16:33:48] jung1 : 5100 comming?
[2016-11-16 16:33:57] rapidtrades : aethlios: so there are no load fees? what is the exchange fee to sell btc for euros?
[2016-11-16 16:34:42] jung1 : https://spectrocoin.com/en/bitcoin-debit-card.html
[2016-11-16 16:34:53] jung1 : lithuania based comapny
[2016-11-16 16:35:20] aethlios : rapidtrades: 0.5% to sell, basically this is the only fee from my use experience
[2016-11-16 16:38:44] rapidtrades : not bad
[2016-11-16 16:40:36] Rado : jung1: POS load 1.99% Currency exchange** 3%
[2016-11-16 16:40:43] aethlios : rapidtrades: what i mean is that you can hold your btc in btc form, and any time you can sell for euro if the price pumps, and then the card uses the euro. then price could fall but you locked a fixed price.
[2016-11-16 16:41:02] Rado : when I choose a card I want no currency exchange fees and as low as possible ATM fee
[2016-11-16 16:41:36] Rado : 3% is crazy
[2016-11-16 16:41:49] aethlios : I have the named white.
[2016-11-16 16:42:02] rapidtrades : 2-3% is standard unfortunately @Rado
[2016-11-16 16:42:30] Rado : rapidtrades: I pay no fee with tangerine and amazon rewards
[2016-11-16 16:42:42] jpc : rapidtrades: confirm 3% for xrate is usual...
[2016-11-16 16:42:44] Rado : but yet to find a BTC debit card that does that
[2016-11-16 16:43:07] JamesPolo : If you guys need to sell btc for cash...
[2016-11-16 16:43:14] JamesPolo : feel free to leave your contact info
[2016-11-16 16:43:18] rapidtrades : are u sure u pay no conversion fees? maybe they make up for that in the spread or the fees?
[2016-11-16 16:43:29] rapidtrades : JamesPolo: where u at?
[2016-11-16 16:44:03] JamesPolo : rapidtrades: Thanks to btc, in many places :)
[2016-11-16 16:44:25] JamesPolo : canada, middle east and china mainly
[2016-11-16 16:45:06] rapidtrades : JamesPolo: not there, not going there soon
[2016-11-16 16:45:15] rapidtrades : still stuck in europe for the time being
[2016-11-16 16:45:37] JamesPolo : Where ?
[2016-11-16 16:45:43] JamesPolo : I love me some Paris
[2016-11-16 16:45:48] Rado : rapidtrades: I am sure
[2016-11-16 16:46:04] Rado : I used these cards for the last 2 months
[2016-11-16 16:46:28] aethlios : rapidtrades: Cashback bonus For every cent spent on the card we reward you with 10 Satoshi daily. Keep an eye on the exchange rates and count the benefits!
[2016-11-16 16:47:05] jung1 : Rado: check also card from biggest polish exchange
[2016-11-16 16:47:05] jung1 : https://bitbay.net/cards_fees
[2016-11-16 16:47:10] jung1 : 1$ is like 4pln
[2016-11-16 16:47:25] rapidtrades : i have no clue what satoshi is worth....is that 8 zeros behind the 730?
[2016-11-16 16:47:43] rapidtrades : jung1: tnx
[2016-11-16 16:48:33] CapitalGains : 10 sat is worth $0.0007 if I understand correctly
[2016-11-16 16:49:02] j8 : Rado: you definitely pay for currency conversion with tangerine.. cheaper than other banks though
[2016-11-16 16:49:30] aethlios : rapidtrades: now for every 100 euro is 0.7 euro, but you can't withdraw that, can be used to pay card fees like the ATM fees, so ATM fees are zero, only cost is commission 0.5% and if you trade the btc to the ask price you don't pay conversion btc to euro fee
[2016-11-16 16:49:39] Rado : j8: you don't pay 3%
[2016-11-16 16:49:49] Rado : whatever the conversion rate is
[2016-11-16 16:49:54] j8 : no i think it's a little under 2%
[2016-11-16 16:50:44] Rado : I was in the US last month and checked my amazon credit card purchases
[2016-11-16 16:51:12] Rado : the conversion rate was the same as what Google was listing
[2016-11-16 16:51:18] Rado : no slippage
[2016-11-16 16:51:30] Rado : and no fees
[2016-11-16 16:51:38] rapidtrades : well that's a great deal if u can get it
[2016-11-16 16:52:17] Rado : I am trying to have different options when traveling
[2016-11-16 16:52:27] Rado : credit card, debit bank card, debit BTC card
[2016-11-16 16:53:04] rapidtrades : yeah definitely want 2 at least
[2016-11-16 16:53:20] rapidtrades : altho if u have btc, guess u can always tap into that in emergency
[2016-11-16 16:53:34] Rado : that is what I am thinking
[2016-11-16 16:53:39] Rado : use BTC only in emergency
[2016-11-16 16:53:55] Rado : when my income move more to BTC I will need a way to transfer to fiat
[2016-11-16 16:54:08] Rado : rapidtrades: do you use bank transfer now?
[2016-11-16 16:55:07] chromaticcr1 : http://advcash.com/en/fees/ these guy have 1% cut for loading, and 1USD for loading on the card. but no recurring monthly fee, both euro and usd card
[2016-11-16 16:55:19] rapidtrades : i wanted to, got denied by bank @Rado
[2016-11-16 16:55:38] Rado : rapidtrades: huh?
[2016-11-16 16:55:44] rapidtrades : never had problems before i withdrew btc lol
[2016-11-16 16:55:48] Rado : you can't wire from exchange to bank?
[2016-11-16 16:56:17] rapidtrades : apparently not without laying
[2016-11-16 16:56:53] rapidtrades : should've made up some excuse 'it's freelance money'
[2016-11-16 16:57:24] j8 : i've never been questioned for it, but i've never tried to do large amounts
[2016-11-16 16:57:43] Rado : that's why I hate banks
[2016-11-16 16:57:56] Rado : I hope BTC services improve fast so we don't have to use banks
[2016-11-16 16:58:11] rapidtrades : j8: it was below 1k
[2016-11-16 16:58:21] Rado : wow
[2016-11-16 16:58:23] Rado : bastards
[2016-11-16 16:58:51] j8 : yeah that's lame
[2016-11-16 16:58:57] rapidtrades : i've had much larger transfers pass without question
[2016-11-16 16:59:16] Rado : chromaticcr1: how much is the internal exchange rate for this card?
[2016-11-16 16:59:22] j8 : was it coming from a criminal enterprise, like bitfinex?
[2016-11-16 16:59:33] Rado : $1 fee is very good for withdrawal
[2016-11-16 16:59:42] chromaticcr1 : 1% cut @Rado , ~700 on market they quote 693
[2016-11-16 16:59:52] rapidtrades : j8: haha...no kraken
[2016-11-16 16:59:57] Rado : chromaticcr1: not bad
[2016-11-16 17:00:15] chromaticcr1 : for me I have a HKD credit card but buying stuff online got 3% fx fee from HSBC
[2016-11-16 17:00:29] chromaticcr1 : if it is not quoted in HKD
[2016-11-16 17:00:49] chromaticcr1 : this would still be a cheaper way to spend my money on stuff on say amazon
[2016-11-16 17:00:56] rapidtrades : yeah those fx fees are the killer
[2016-11-16 17:01:03] rapidtrades : highest cost by far
[2016-11-16 17:01:23] Rado : chromaticcr1: can I deposit BTC to the card?
[2016-11-16 17:01:41] rapidtrades : chromaticcr1: u can also buy amazon gift card with btc i think
[2016-11-16 17:01:56] j8 : Rado: you're canadian yeah?
[2016-11-16 17:02:01] Rado : yep
[2016-11-16 17:02:02] rapidtrades : u get small cashback too
[2016-11-16 17:02:03] chromaticcr1 : you deposit BTC to advcash account, they convery using the rate, then you shove the USD in the acc into the card
[2016-11-16 17:02:18] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: purse.io i guess
[2016-11-16 17:02:33] Rado : chromaticcr1: so I have to convert to USD to use the card?
[2016-11-16 17:02:41] j8 : Rado: quadrigacx has an option to withdraw to any visa or mastercard
[2016-11-16 17:02:44] Rado : I want to stay in BTC and only use what I spend
[2016-11-16 17:02:53] chromaticcr1 : yes
[2016-11-16 17:02:56] j8 : as in you sell btc on their exchange and withdraw to card
[2016-11-16 17:03:11] Rado : j8: withdraw to any credit card?
[2016-11-16 17:03:14] rapidtrades : j8: talking about advcash?
[2016-11-16 17:03:14] j8 : yep
[2016-11-16 17:03:18] chromaticcr1 : kinda cheaper to dump money into the card in bulk since you got the 1USD fee per chargeup
[2016-11-16 17:03:28] j8 : rapidtrades: don't know what that is
[2016-11-16 17:03:48] Rado : j8: that sounds great, let me check it out
[2016-11-16 17:04:15] rapidtrades : oh quadrigacx ....cex.io also has that
[2016-11-16 17:04:55] chromaticcr1 : and now we have max'd the predicted funding
[2016-11-16 17:05:18] rapidtrades : good
[2016-11-16 17:05:28] rapidtrades : bring in at that sweet funding $$$
[2016-11-16 17:05:39] chromaticcr1 : where do you guys hedge?
[2016-11-16 17:05:54] chromaticcr1 : not like I have deep pocket to hedge on bitstamp
[2016-11-16 17:05:59] j8 : capmex, lift the cap!
[2016-11-16 17:06:00] rapidtrades : here so far
[2016-11-16 17:06:07] chromaticcr1 : j8: lol
[2016-11-16 17:06:13] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 17:06:24] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: i guess jpy? or the quarterlies
[2016-11-16 17:07:18] QuantFocus : j8: they could reduce leverage to 50x like before
[2016-11-16 17:07:27] QuantFocus : j8: that would bump the cap to ~1%
[2016-11-16 17:07:46] j8 : they will have to as soon as price action gets interesting
[2016-11-16 17:07:49] Rado : j8: so the withdrawal to the credit card basically acts as a payment?
[2016-11-16 17:07:49] rapidtrades : https://cex.io/fee-schedule#/tabCashInOut <<these guys do card loading too
[2016-11-16 17:07:56] rapidtrades : haven't used it myself tho
[2016-11-16 17:07:57] Rado : I can pay my Amazon Visa that way
[2016-11-16 17:08:26] j8 : Rado: yeah, i haven't used it, but it's like how merchants can credit your card
[2016-11-16 17:08:49] Rado : that is what I have been looking for
[2016-11-16 17:08:53] Rado : thanks j8
[2016-11-16 17:08:58] j8 : no prob
[2016-11-16 17:09:34] rapidtrades : Rado: ur bank or card provider may charge a loading fee, so check it out
[2016-11-16 17:10:01] Rado : @rapidtrades amazon card has no fees
[2016-11-16 17:10:04] Rado : told you
[2016-11-16 17:10:05] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-16 17:10:50] rapidtrades : well aren't u a lucky canuck :)
[2016-11-16 17:11:27] Rado : Visa/MasterCard/AMEX Min $50, Max $9,999 4-7 Business days Free select
[2016-11-16 17:11:40] Rado : they have a ton of options
[2016-11-16 17:11:57] Rado : to credit card, bank account, paypal etc
[2016-11-16 17:12:21] Rado : express transfer has a fee
[2016-11-16 17:12:27] Rado : but still great
[2016-11-16 17:12:35] Rado : if you need express
[2016-11-16 17:13:07] Rado : ha ha
[2016-11-16 17:13:16] Rado : they have Cash Delivery Min $500, Max $5,000 Shipped within 72 hours
[2016-11-16 17:13:27] Rado : shipping my cash?
[2016-11-16 17:13:44] rapidtrades : lol that's weird
[2016-11-16 17:14:13] rapidtrades : maybe that's for buttfuck canada where there are no ATMs?
[2016-11-16 17:14:31] rapidtrades : Eskimoland?
[2016-11-16 17:17:14] Rado : lol
[2016-11-16 17:17:21] Rado : ignorant European
[2016-11-16 17:17:35] Rado : don't be like US people
[2016-11-16 17:17:46] Rado : where I live we don't even have snow
[2016-11-16 17:18:02] Rado : only in the mountains
[2016-11-16 17:18:05] rapidtrades : Rado: that can't be true
[2016-11-16 17:18:12] jung1 : but everything that moves can kill you
[2016-11-16 17:18:13] Rado : it is true
[2016-11-16 17:18:18] rapidtrades : u mean right now?
[2016-11-16 17:18:23] rapidtrades : cos it's November
[2016-11-16 17:18:32] Rado : we don't have snow now
[2016-11-16 17:18:37] rapidtrades : well duh
[2016-11-16 17:18:40] Rado : or any time during the winter
[2016-11-16 17:18:46] rapidtrades : wtf no way
[2016-11-16 17:18:48] Rado : well there might be a few days only
[2016-11-16 17:18:54] rapidtrades : see u lied
[2016-11-16 17:19:04] Rado : every year is different
[2016-11-16 17:19:11] Rado : but not like you think of winter
[2016-11-16 17:19:22] rapidtrades : winter sucks
[2016-11-16 17:19:53] habibi : sleger: winter is coming for ur 1y investment
[2016-11-16 17:19:59] chromaticcr1 : we need services like GoldMoney that ships goldbar with BRINKS to your doorsteps, that would be more fun!
[2016-11-16 17:20:01] Rado : 8 degrees C
[2016-11-16 17:20:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.013530
[2016-11-16 17:20:19] jung1 : china sucks with that dump again
[2016-11-16 17:20:35] sleger : jung1: you are long now ?
[2016-11-16 17:20:46] jung1 : cant tell you
[2016-11-16 17:20:56] sleger : i need to know
[2016-11-16 17:21:49] jung1 : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2016-11-16 17:25:34] arbitrage001 : sleger: contra indicator?
[2016-11-16 17:25:45] arbitrage001 : i am short. can use me as contra lol
[2016-11-16 17:26:41] sleger : what were the 2 dates finex redeemed some tokens ?
[2016-11-16 17:27:06] lockhedge : 3 already
[2016-11-16 17:27:31] arbitrage001 : nov 2nd and
[2016-11-16 17:27:54] arbitrage001 : sep 3rd, and
[2016-11-16 17:28:22] rapidtrades : prolly gonna see them redeem a lot soon so they can get smth back from sinking 20mil
[2016-11-16 17:28:29] arbitrage001 : sept 30th
[2016-11-16 17:28:30] sleger : not bad, they keep doing it
[2016-11-16 17:28:34] sleger : once a month
[2016-11-16 17:28:38] arbitrage001 : they need to increase
[2016-11-16 17:28:47] arbitrage001 : at current rate, it will take at least 5 years
[2016-11-16 17:28:49] rapidtrades : sleger: how are they gonna do it once per month?
[2016-11-16 17:28:58] arbitrage001 : which make yield less than 10% a year
[2016-11-16 17:29:09] j8 : Rado: sounds like you're right around the corner from me
[2016-11-16 17:29:10] arbitrage001 : at current token price
[2016-11-16 17:29:24] Rado : j8: Yaletown
[2016-11-16 17:29:40] rapidtrades : they're using our confiscated funds to pay for token holders, it's a pyramid scheme
[2016-11-16 17:29:42] rapidtrades : can't last
[2016-11-16 17:29:44] j8 : more or less
[2016-11-16 17:30:04] arbitrage001 : not confiscated, stolen fund
[2016-11-16 17:30:14] rapidtrades : same thing
[2016-11-16 17:30:19] arbitrage001 : could be plot within plot
[2016-11-16 17:30:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 253 @ 0.013520
[2016-11-16 17:30:26] arbitrage001 : since everyone selling rtt token
[2016-11-16 17:30:30] Rado : we should meet sometime
[2016-11-16 17:30:34] arbitrage001 : once they accumlate enough
[2016-11-16 17:30:40] arbitrage001 : then bam, hackers return the money
[2016-11-16 17:31:10] lockhedge : September 1 (1.1812%), September 30 (1.3152%), November 2 (1.5%), always used a combination of profit and "a reduction in our contingent liability reserves"
[2016-11-16 17:31:17] rapidtrades : if hackers 'return the money' we can be sure that there were no hackers in the first place
[2016-11-16 17:31:30] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: agreed here
[2016-11-16 17:31:34] j8 : Rado: yeah man i'm down
[2016-11-16 17:31:38] arbitrage001 : have to be someone within bitfinex
[2016-11-16 17:31:46] Rado : j8: cool, will ping you
[2016-11-16 17:32:03] j8 : i'm.. always here
[2016-11-16 17:32:07] j8 : lol
[2016-11-16 17:32:20] arbitrage001 : j8: must be profiting nicely?
[2016-11-16 17:32:31] j8 : can't complain
[2016-11-16 17:32:54] arbitrage001 : are you european?
[2016-11-16 17:32:58] arbitrage001 : or asian
[2016-11-16 17:33:02] j8 : canada
[2016-11-16 17:46:00] jung1 : anyone is short here?
[2016-11-16 17:46:14] arbitrage001 : jung1: me
[2016-11-16 17:46:29] arbitrage001 : sup, want to sponsor some anal cream?
[2016-11-16 17:46:43] habibi : jung1: nope, everyone is long here this time
[2016-11-16 17:47:07] arbitrage001 : habibi: every trade has a counter party
[2016-11-16 17:47:44] habibi : arbitrage001: reaaaalyy?
[2016-11-16 17:48:06] arbitrage001 : habibi: yes
[2016-11-16 17:48:29] arbitrage001 : reaaaaaaaalyy
[2016-11-16 17:48:40] habibi : arbitrage001: that's interesing, could u elaborate on that? how does it work?
[2016-11-16 17:51:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 700 @ 0.013760
[2016-11-16 17:58:12] jung1 : heh
[2016-11-16 17:58:12] jung1 : mark price is 10$ below
[2016-11-16 17:58:13] miramm1115 : nice premium
[2016-11-16 18:01:31] jpc : Thu must sell
[2016-11-16 18:03:57] j8 : anything more than 0.5% premium over mark is ADL danger zone
[2016-11-16 18:04:36] sleger : j8: shhht
[2016-11-16 18:05:14] j8 : sleger: make it clear that the market will break, then they'll lift the funding cap
[2016-11-16 18:05:17] mjones : Rip xmr
[2016-11-16 18:05:25] sleger : j8: just play the game
[2016-11-16 18:05:36] sleger : unfortunately my position is too big for that
[2016-11-16 18:07:26] j8 : with many accounts you could.
[2016-11-16 18:07:56] rapidtrades : $7 premium, sweet
[2016-11-16 18:08:02] arbitrage001 : j8: did they say they will raise cap and reduce lleverage?
[2016-11-16 18:08:19] rapidtrades : we're looking at couple of nice funding periods
[2016-11-16 18:08:37] j8 : i think at one point wally said they would do that if necessary
[2016-11-16 18:09:44] arbitrage001 : nice
[2016-11-16 18:09:53] sleger : it is necessary now
[2016-11-16 18:09:55] arbitrage001 : i have no objection on getting paid 3 a day
[2016-11-16 18:10:01] arbitrage001 : 3%
[2016-11-16 18:11:22] rapidtrades : yeah i want 3% per day too
[2016-11-16 18:12:41] QuantFocus : uhh, me too
[2016-11-16 18:12:54] QuantFocus : so it's decided
[2016-11-16 18:13:10] arbitrage001 : yeah, let's vote arthur out
[2016-11-16 18:13:35] arbitrage001 : put rapid in charge
[2016-11-16 18:14:15] mjones : Xbtz16 for high leverage. Xbtusd higher cap and lower leverage
[2016-11-16 18:14:35] wurstgelee : okc quarterlies just made a new year high
[2016-11-16 18:15:22] mjones : Crazy. Someone has like 100,000 contracts long there