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[2016-11-10 22:21:45] viptrader : which is probably etc
[2016-11-10 22:21:52] BitMEX_Sam : ????
[2016-11-10 22:22:09] viptrader : he sold his btc to cash, he is expecting 350$ for btc too
[2016-11-10 22:22:15] viptrader : 50% downside
[2016-11-10 22:22:42] sleger : considering he is also a troll, it makes sense
[2016-11-10 22:22:55] Tetsuo : viptrader: shut up or u will be banned, withdrawls ( of your 0.167BTC) will also be halted during that time
[2016-11-10 22:23:13] viptrader : Tetsuo: who are you
[2016-11-10 22:23:29] Tetsuo : viptrader: not ur friend
[2016-11-10 22:23:37] viptrader : why are you attacking
[2016-11-10 22:23:43] viptrader : and who are you to ban people
[2016-11-10 22:23:51] viptrader : BitMEX_Sam: can you block this guy?
[2016-11-10 22:24:23] sleger : lol, i think he is more likely to block you
[2016-11-10 22:24:48] viptrader : i have quoted someone
[2016-11-10 22:24:53] viptrader : i didnt say any of my words
[2016-11-10 22:24:59] viptrader : not sure why the butthurt
[2016-11-10 22:26:05] sleger : that quote "viptrader: barry shillbert just sold his btc" ? lol
[2016-11-10 22:26:12] QuantFocus : i could see 650 as well
[2016-11-10 22:26:22] QuantFocus : but i'm close to neutral hedge, so we'll see
[2016-11-10 22:26:48] QuantFocus : this rally has been going on for 5 weeks though, which is relatively long without a sustained drawdown
[2016-11-10 22:27:12] rasdasd : huobi defending that 4900 level really nice
[2016-11-10 22:27:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 28 @ 0.008632
[2016-11-10 22:28:16] anonymous789 : QuantFocus: agreed
[2016-11-10 22:28:32] Dtrade16 : Markets so effing manipulated
[2016-11-10 22:28:37] rasdasd : alts dumping as well..we might see new run up tonight
[2016-11-10 22:29:00] Dtrade16 : those wall street bastards all need to be thrown in prison
[2016-11-10 22:29:38] Dtrade16 : How is gold down with all this uncertainty
[2016-11-10 22:29:53] anonymous789 : how are stocks at all time highs haha
[2016-11-10 22:29:58] Dtrade16 : I know wtf
[2016-11-10 22:30:12] Dtrade16 : That's how you know everything is rigged
[2016-11-10 22:30:35] anonymous789 : i have a theory that we see the stock market go up until the day trump is sworn into office
[2016-11-10 22:30:47] anonymous789 : so some time january i think massive crash
[2016-11-10 22:31:09] viptrader : btc at 711 on bistamp
[2016-11-10 22:31:39] anonymous789 : was 709 earlier
[2016-11-10 22:31:42] Apocalyptic : how are stocks at all time highs haha <- Janet buying like crazy
[2016-11-10 22:31:52] QuantFocus : amen brother
[2016-11-10 22:32:01] QuantFocus : thanks for the helicopter money
[2016-11-10 22:32:07] anonymous789 : Apocalyptic: that's certainly possible, how would we know
[2016-11-10 22:32:10] rasdasd : 720 tonight
[2016-11-10 22:32:20] rasdasd : zec always go up with btc
[2016-11-10 22:32:27] anonymous789 : fed reserve a private bank anyway
[2016-11-10 22:36:28] Rado : Barry meant he is out of the stock market and will hold cash and BTC
[2016-11-10 22:37:42] miramm1115 : not sure about moving out of the stock market completely but having cash and BTC never hurts
[2016-11-10 23:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 253 @ 0.008507
[2016-11-10 23:14:07] micmix : nice digest today, always a good read @BitMEX_Arthur
[2016-11-10 23:15:11] BitMEX_Sam : I definitely laughed at `Grab Them By The Rupee`
[2016-11-10 23:15:23] micmix : lol
[2016-11-10 23:15:24] BitMEX_Sam : Lots to write about lately
[2016-11-10 23:16:38] micmix : yep, lots of things happening with global economy
[2016-11-10 23:20:32] rasdasd : btc short 720
[2016-11-10 23:24:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3000 @ 714.47
[2016-11-10 23:24:45] mjones : btc heading back to 5000 cny
[2016-11-10 23:26:52] rasdasd : mjones: yep not smart to short now
[2016-11-10 23:38:54] Dtrade16 : china pump guys?
[2016-11-10 23:49:26] rasdasd : Dtrade16: looks like
[2016-11-10 23:49:31] rasdasd : we will see tonight
[2016-11-10 23:49:48] Dtrade16 : you long?
[2016-11-11 00:00:42] Tetsuo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjZoljZcVcw lololol
[2016-11-11 00:02:40] Tetsuo : what´s wrong with kids today?
[2016-11-11 00:03:51] rasdasd : Dtrade16: yep
[2016-11-11 00:03:55] rasdasd : from 710
[2016-11-11 00:04:08] rasdasd : only x5 tho
[2016-11-11 00:52:42] mjones : zec dump
[2016-11-11 00:58:52] Jokerr : mainly bots playing zec
[2016-11-11 00:59:16] Jokerr : but yeah you could expect it
[2016-11-11 00:59:29] Jokerr : wonder if it will retest 0.25 area
[2016-11-11 00:59:54] jonny : i mine zec, sell and buy future
[2016-11-11 00:59:58] jonny : yay
[2016-11-11 01:01:24] jonny : while the first slow month is getting old if network hashrate keeps growing, then future price should too
[2016-11-11 01:03:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 8 @ 0.115555
[2016-11-11 01:03:42] mjones : oh it's starting
[2016-11-11 01:03:54] Rado : jonny: you want to lose the funds from mining?
[2016-11-11 01:03:54] mjones : glad i didnt long zec thinking it'd bounce
[2016-11-11 01:04:44] jonny : double safe, profitable mining, and a chance to rise
[2016-11-11 01:04:55] jonny : Rado: of course both prices will be similar soon
[2016-11-11 01:09:29] Rado : Sigh
[2016-11-11 01:10:43] jonny : Rado: hm? more precisely?
[2016-11-11 01:10:56] jonny : Rado: did i misunderstand you?
[2016-11-11 01:25:55] Techemy : So this happened: http://www.newsweek.com/major-broker-adds-bitcoin-its-books-516600
[2016-11-11 01:26:29] sleger : yes about a week ago
[2016-11-11 01:26:35] sleger : and it's really not a big deal at all
[2016-11-11 01:26:41] sleger : dummy
[2016-11-11 01:26:47] Techemy : lol why's that
[2016-11-11 01:29:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10 @ 715.47
[2016-11-11 01:43:17] bernx : CNY news
[2016-11-11 01:43:20] bernx : Check this our
[2016-11-11 01:44:52] iefken : ?
[2016-11-11 01:48:06] sleger : Techemy: because its just a price feed dummy
[2016-11-11 01:49:40] Techemy : Just a price feed? You do realize access to pricing through conventional channels is key to growth right?
[2016-11-11 01:50:27] sleger : bloomberg had btc price for years
[2016-11-11 01:50:28] Techemy : TPI is merging with ICAP. They will be the largest inter-dealer broker on the planet. Already connected to... everything institutional and forex.
[2016-11-11 01:51:19] Techemy : This pumps pricing through 100's of channels. BB/reuters/cme are just 1 exchange/venue at a time. this will be the widest distribution to date.
[2016-11-11 01:52:04] Techemy : next natural step is to broker bitcoin (duh) on the back of the interest this generates. I see this as a big deal for bitcoin
[2016-11-11 01:52:13] sleger : yes i'm sure whoever wanted to find the price before did not have access to internet before
[2016-11-11 01:52:50] Techemy : thats not the point. the point is pushing it through formal channels and apps.
[2016-11-11 01:53:23] Techemy : asset managers can't get into a new asset class unless their internal policy and existing data suppliers carry it
[2016-11-11 01:53:38] sleger : they cant until its traded somewhere they can trade
[2016-11-11 01:54:34] Techemy : how do you think new instruments get listed? it starts with pricing. lol these guys aren't going to go to bitcoin average and start offering bitcoin products to their clients
[2016-11-11 01:55:35] sleger : i saw that news when it came out, a week ago, and regarded it as it is, good, but really not that big of a deal, price impact confirmed it : 0
[2016-11-11 01:56:02] sleger : but thanks for sharing news it's important ! by the way did you see ??? UK is leaving europe, they just had a referendum
[2016-11-11 01:56:27] PlatinumPresto : do you believe this merger will push btc past 800?
[2016-11-11 01:56:41] Techemy : merger?
[2016-11-11 01:56:54] PlatinumPresto : TPI & ICAp
[2016-11-11 01:57:11] sleger : ZERO impact
[2016-11-11 01:58:00] Techemy : Sleger clearly has years of experience in capital markets lol the ignorance is asstounding
[2016-11-11 01:58:13] sleger : correct
[2016-11-11 01:58:18] Techemy : No the merger will nto effect bitcoin
[2016-11-11 01:58:35] Techemy : when they start brokering and clearing services for bitcoin = yes
[2016-11-11 01:58:41] sleger : hey correct again see you're already making progress on your first day here !
[2016-11-11 01:59:05] Techemy : yeah i just found out about bitcoin 5 min ago apparantly
[2016-11-11 01:59:17] sleger : apparEntly
[2016-11-11 01:59:32] Techemy : not worth prop spelging for trolls
[2016-11-11 01:59:37] Techemy : :)
[2016-11-11 02:08:19] Jokerr : can z-cash already be used for anon transactions? afaik not https://github.com/zcash/zcash/issues/1811
[2016-11-11 02:16:28] iefken : dont think it was already activated, not sure tho
[2016-11-11 02:16:31] mjones : i'm glad there is another futures market maker
[2016-11-11 02:19:15] Jokerr : 3 years of development, millions of funding and still no anon lol
[2016-11-11 02:19:39] micmix : mjones: he might be gone soon
[2016-11-11 02:24:57] Apocalyptic : Techemy: wait for the Winklewoss' or any other ETF listing, now that will probably have an impact
[2016-11-11 02:26:46] Techemy : Apocalyptic: def will have massive impact yes
[2016-11-11 02:33:03] micmix : The Economist _really_ doesn't like Trump
[2016-11-11 02:35:04] bernx : micmix: thats why rally everywhere?
[2016-11-11 02:37:04] micmix : rally now, dump in Jan. everyone need to show quarterly profits
[2016-11-11 02:38:06] Apocalyptic : micmix: shocking
[2016-11-11 02:38:30] Apocalyptic : leftists gonna hate
[2016-11-11 02:41:55] micmix : I guess I'm a big lefty because I think that women are people and climate change is real ;-)
[2016-11-11 02:44:53] iefken : micmix: good for you bro
[2016-11-11 02:50:17] viptrader : hey guys
[2016-11-11 02:50:28] viptrader : is it good to hold a long/short btc position for months
[2016-11-11 02:50:35] viptrader : if u know the direction
[2016-11-11 02:50:48] viptrader : i mean will it rekt me for fees or something?
[2016-11-11 02:52:59] j8 : swap funding fees are unpredictable in the long term. it could benefit you, or cost you a lot. the dec 30 future has no fees for holding.
[2016-11-11 02:54:54] j8 : historically the swap has been great for shorts, expensive for longs. only a few months of data in a bull market though.
[2016-11-11 02:56:26] micmix : the cap is lower now bc swap was changed to 100x, so we have very little data for the funding fees with new cap
[2016-11-11 02:57:51] micmix : it might end up cheaper to hold but you never know. dec. futures are safer in a sense that you know how much premium you pay when you buy
[2016-11-11 03:03:47] billyboy402 : there a ~4.4% premium atm the moment , 46 days . that mean it better to short it then collect the funding cost , as you would need to be 0.03% or more X 3 time a day X 46 day .... on avg over the last month it been less then 0.02%
[2016-11-11 03:03:58] mjones : waiting for btc movement. maybe now
[2016-11-11 03:05:26] viptrader : and what's the difference between DEC30 to SWPA
[2016-11-11 03:05:34] viptrader : im looking for short entry
[2016-11-11 03:05:37] mjones : funding
[2016-11-11 03:05:37] viptrader : and leave it for months
[2016-11-11 03:05:44] viptrader : which one is reccmomnded?
[2016-11-11 03:05:53] mjones : swap if you are shorting
[2016-11-11 03:05:58] viptrader : mjones: thnx
[2016-11-11 03:07:41] jose : no, if you leave it for months, you should use futures
[2016-11-11 03:07:51] +1 : viptrader: if leaving it for months, use DEC30
[2016-11-11 03:08:13] micmix : viptrader: swap premium will turn negative during the dump and shorts will have to pay funding
[2016-11-11 03:08:15] viptrader : less fees?
[2016-11-11 03:08:35] jose : viptrader: known outcome ;)
[2016-11-11 03:08:52] viptrader : but futures end in 2 months
[2016-11-11 03:08:53] jose : swap is for day trading
[2016-11-11 03:09:05] viptrader : i want it for more months
[2016-11-11 03:09:06] viptrader : 5-6
[2016-11-11 03:09:33] jose : viptrader: it doesnt exist
[2016-11-11 03:10:02] viptrader : mjones: what do u think
[2016-11-11 03:12:03] jose : viptrader: it doesnt make anything to hedge you bitcoin on a swap contract
[2016-11-11 03:14:43] j8 : viptrader: sell the dec 30 future and roll it after the new one lists.
[2016-11-11 03:15:19] viptrader : j8: roll it u mean open a new contracts?
[2016-11-11 03:15:53] viptrader : that gonna rekt me, because i wouldnt know where the top is and where it could bounce
[2016-11-11 03:15:59] j8 : close the near expiry (dec) and open on the far expiry
[2016-11-11 03:16:01] viptrader : but right now i beleive the top is in
[2016-11-11 03:35:44] mjones : i am on the side of the bulls. if you short swap yes, you may pay funding sometimes. but perhaps price goes sideways and up and you receive funding. but if you are shorting during a pump you lose money. i honestly dont see why you would short long term
[2016-11-11 03:36:20] mjones : someone wants to buy a billion dollars worth of BTC and price goes sky high
[2016-11-11 03:37:36] mjones : price has been in uptrend for 15 months. i bet it goes sideways then sky rockets
[2016-11-11 03:40:42] j8 : i short to hedge but yeah, haven't been short short in over a year
[2016-11-11 03:46:55] mjones : yeah there are times to short and that's after a huge ass pump. i dont call what we just did a huge ass pump
[2016-11-11 03:47:28] mjones : but perhaps in the next days to weeks price goes down a bit and back up till it finally breaks up to new highs
[2016-11-11 03:48:02] mjones : 4906 CNY now. Could hit 4600 CNY then back up
[2016-11-11 03:48:15] bernx : mjones: Do you real?
[2016-11-11 03:48:27] mjones : i am pretty fucked up right now
[2016-11-11 03:48:40] bernx : CHINA SETS YUAN FIXING AT 6.8115
[2016-11-11 03:48:41] mjones : smoke a lil bit, drink a lil bit, pop a lil bit. get fucked up
[2016-11-11 03:48:48] mjones : shit dump the coins
[2016-11-11 03:48:53] mjones : bitcorns being dumped in china
[2016-11-11 03:49:31] mjones : 100x short. i cant wait till 200x
[2016-11-11 03:49:51] mjones : gonna make twice as much money on 200x
[2016-11-11 04:23:43] iefken : the only real sure short is zcash, but do as you will :p
[2016-11-11 04:33:21] mjones : rip zec longers
[2016-11-11 04:33:31] mjones : gonna see under .1
[2016-11-11 04:36:55] mjones : october 1 last time price was this low on bitmex
[2016-11-11 04:38:50] iefken : i was crying the day it reached 5btc+
[2016-11-11 04:39:15] iefken : i could've bought one share for 0.32 but only had 0.3 and my other deposit wasnt confirming untill the day after
[2016-11-11 04:39:34] iefken : wouldve been nice lol
[2016-11-11 04:40:09] Dtrade16 : Why are people selling BTC?
[2016-11-11 04:40:18] Tetsuo : @mjones "gonna make twice as much money on 200x " :-D i like it when you´re high!
[2016-11-11 04:40:20] Dtrade16 : Yuan up or something?
[2016-11-11 04:41:19] iefken : usd down i think
[2016-11-11 04:41:53] Dtrade16 : thx
[2016-11-11 04:46:51] mjones : once .25 breaks for zec i wonder how low it'll go
[2016-11-11 04:48:33] QuantFocus : i want to agree, until we get that crazy pump
[2016-11-11 04:48:45] QuantFocus : too risky for me. staying out
[2016-11-11 04:48:52] iefken : well if you consider all other variables constant and take only the supply of zcoins in consideration, the price will go down x15
[2016-11-11 04:49:51] QuantFocus : but who takes all other variables as constant?
[2016-11-11 04:49:56] QuantFocus : i surely don't, not in crypto
[2016-11-11 04:50:56] iefken : QuantFocus: no one is crazy enough to pump zec here... it would take like 330 contracts to get the price of polo atm (and its going down as we speak) which meansatleast 0.115*330= lets say 30btc+
[2016-11-11 04:51:20] QuantFocus : that's chump change
[2016-11-11 04:51:22] iefken : you would need to pump it to current polo price
[2016-11-11 04:51:54] iefken : and the supply of zcash will be 15x on 30dec
[2016-11-11 04:52:10] iefken : you tell me if someone will pump that :p
[2016-11-11 04:52:15] QuantFocus : ok, but if someone pumps it on polo, it will impact price here
[2016-11-11 04:52:33] iefken : not directly
[2016-11-11 04:52:37] QuantFocus : and with over 100,000btc traded on eth at one point, i wont risk it
[2016-11-11 04:52:44] QuantFocus : that was in 24 hours
[2016-11-11 04:53:03] iefken : at polo or here?
[2016-11-11 04:53:09] QuantFocus : polo
[2016-11-11 04:53:19] iefken : lol thats alot
[2016-11-11 04:53:20] QuantFocus : but you're saying 30btc here to get to spot
[2016-11-11 04:53:28] QuantFocus : 30btc is nothing
[2016-11-11 04:53:31] iefken : in future contracts here at bitmex
[2016-11-11 04:53:38] QuantFocus : still...
[2016-11-11 04:53:49] QuantFocus : if someone wanted to manipulate that market to get margin calls, it's possible
[2016-11-11 04:53:52] QuantFocus : quite possible
[2016-11-11 04:54:00] iefken : be my guest to long lol
[2016-11-11 04:54:10] QuantFocus : i said i'm staying out
[2016-11-11 04:54:16] iefken : yea sorry indeed
[2016-11-11 04:54:21] QuantFocus : do i think it's overpriced? yes
[2016-11-11 04:54:29] QuantFocus : do i believe that this market can be manipulated? yes
[2016-11-11 04:55:07] iefken : well, you can manipulate everything, but well, i dont have those means so its not the first thing i think about :p
[2016-11-11 04:55:20] QuantFocus : maybe it should be
[2016-11-11 04:55:31] QuantFocus : but feel free to transfer funds to other users here
[2016-11-11 04:55:38] iefken : lol
[2016-11-11 04:56:12] iefken : i just play with peanuts untill perhaps in 2050 i can predict the markets successfully
[2016-11-11 04:59:35] QuantFocus : good luck to you :smile:
[2016-11-11 05:00:42] iefken : thanks :p
[2016-11-11 05:46:54] GerryHYH : Hi
[2016-11-11 05:47:02] GerryHYH : anyone from BitMEX can help?
[2016-11-11 05:47:11] GerryHYH : I'm not getting any confirmation email for withdrawing
[2016-11-11 05:57:59] Zodwa : Hi
[2016-11-11 06:02:29] Zodwa : anyone who can help me....I am new in here
[2016-11-11 06:09:49] BitMEX_Wally : GerryHYH: Hello, let me check
[2016-11-11 06:12:35] BitMEX_Wally : GerryHYH: The withdrawal email was sent to your hotmail.com address, please check your spam folder
[2016-11-11 06:45:33] viptrader : any idea why my liq price keep increasing? i dont complain, it's good for me
[2016-11-11 06:45:50] Dtrade16 : BTC?
[2016-11-11 06:46:04] viptrader : yup
[2016-11-11 06:46:09] viptrader : swap
[2016-11-11 06:46:46] viptrader : short entry 715.18, liq was yesterday 720, today 721.36
[2016-11-11 06:47:28] j8 : because you got paid the funding a couple times
[2016-11-11 06:48:25] viptrader : j8: you get paid as long as you in profit?
[2016-11-11 06:48:46] j8 : no you get paid if you're short and the funding rate is positive
[2016-11-11 06:49:02] j8 : or if you're long and the rate is negative
[2016-11-11 06:49:15] viptrader : oh ok
[2016-11-11 06:49:22] viptrader : weird stuff
[2016-11-11 06:49:26] viptrader : but i will take it
[2016-11-11 06:49:54] GerryHYH : Hey Wally
[2016-11-11 06:50:00] GerryHYH : I checked my junk mail, no luck sir
[2016-11-11 06:51:12] j8 : viptrader: it is a bit complicated and unpredictable, that's why we were recommending the dec 30 future for long term positions.
[2016-11-11 06:52:30] j8 : if the market turns you could start paying big funding fees, instead of receiving them
[2016-11-11 06:52:45] iefken : on what do the funding fees depend?
[2016-11-11 06:53:47] j8 : that's all in https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-11-11 06:55:37] GerryHYH : Wally, tried it yesterday and twice again today, no luck, not getting that confirmation email :/
[2016-11-11 06:55:55] viptrader : i read it and still dont understand it
[2016-11-11 06:56:01] viptrader : really weird stuff for me
[2016-11-11 06:56:25] viptrader : i want a long term trade , short tomorrow
[2016-11-11 06:56:31] viptrader : and leave it for 5 months
[2016-11-11 06:57:12] viptrader : if i open the position with 1 btc
[2016-11-11 06:57:17] viptrader : and make 50 btc
[2016-11-11 06:57:28] viptrader : i dont care to pay 1 btc fee
[2016-11-11 06:57:42] viptrader : or it gonna cost me much more?
[2016-11-11 06:57:46] viptrader : thats the question
[2016-11-11 06:58:27] iefken : so you think bitcoin will decrease 5000%?
[2016-11-11 06:58:45] j8 : on the swap, you can't know in advance.. it's a floating rate. but at least you could say that you paying the fee is correlated with you making money
[2016-11-11 06:59:52] viptrader : iefken: i think bitcoin could go down to 350$
[2016-11-11 07:00:11] viptrader : j8: yes, but how is that fees estimated
[2016-11-11 07:00:19] iefken : ww3?
[2016-11-11 07:00:47] j8 : it's basically the average premium that the swap trades at, charged every 8 hours
[2016-11-11 07:01:29] j8 : this is the "premium index": https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI
[2016-11-11 07:02:44] j8 : if there are bids above the mark price it will start to push the rate higher. if there are asks below the mark price it will push the rate lower
[2016-11-11 07:05:25] viptrader : funding rate is the something u pay if negative
[2016-11-11 07:05:30] viptrader : and get if positive?
[2016-11-11 07:05:41] j8 : positive means longs pay shorts
[2016-11-11 07:05:56] viptrader : wait
[2016-11-11 07:05:59] iefken : If the rate is positive, then longs will pay and shorts will receive the rate, and vice versa if the rate is negative.
[2016-11-11 07:06:02] viptrader : how did i get paid
[2016-11-11 07:06:10] viptrader : and my liq price went higher
[2016-11-11 07:06:16] j8 : it was positive and you were short. you got paid
[2016-11-11 07:06:45] viptrader : usually in a btc downtrend the funding rate is positive?
[2016-11-11 07:06:54] j8 : other way around
[2016-11-11 07:07:01] viptrader : ?
[2016-11-11 07:07:06] viptrader : what
[2016-11-11 07:07:32] j8 : positive means longs are willing to pay to be long
[2016-11-11 07:07:56] viptrader : offffff
[2016-11-11 07:08:09] viptrader : still dont get anything of that
[2016-11-11 07:08:18] viptrader : i have no idea what fees im paying
[2016-11-11 07:08:23] viptrader : and what im getting paid
[2016-11-11 07:08:32] viptrader : fuck this crap, im pissed
[2016-11-11 07:08:40] iefken : reaad the swapsguide..
[2016-11-11 07:08:54] j8 : dude you're short, it's fine, you're making good interest
[2016-11-11 07:09:10] viptrader : i wont understand it, english is not my first language unfortuantely
[2016-11-11 07:09:44] viptrader : thnx guys anyway
[2016-11-11 07:09:47] viptrader : j8:
[2016-11-11 07:09:59] zcashequalslambo : oh my shorts gone
[2016-11-11 07:10:06] zcashequalslambo : do you think zec will incerase again
[2016-11-11 07:10:16] zcashequalslambo : i waint to short it once more $$$
[2016-11-11 07:10:33] j8 : viptrader: chinese?
[2016-11-11 07:10:54] viptrader : nop
[2016-11-11 07:10:58] viptrader : middle east
[2016-11-11 07:11:05] j8 : ah
[2016-11-11 07:11:30] nick17 : BitMEX_Wally: When shorting a Futures Contract, is there some continuous fee being paid as long as I hold this position?
[2016-11-11 07:13:50] viptrader : u guys playing with big amounts of money?
[2016-11-11 07:14:02] viptrader : i have started market making some coins
[2016-11-11 07:14:43] BitMEX_Wally : nick17: No fees for futures contracts. If you short XBTUSD then you will be paid the funding rate which is currently 0.16% per 8 hours
[2016-11-11 07:19:00] GerryHYH : Wally
[2016-11-11 07:19:03] GerryHYH : can you assist please?
[2016-11-11 07:21:20] BitMEX_Wally : GerryHYH: Please email support@bitmex.com and I will handle
[2016-11-11 07:21:53] GerryHYH : Nevermind Wally, 5th time I tried and it worked :3 thanks Wally
[2016-11-11 07:23:14] BitMEX_Wally : GerryHYH: Weird, I checked the system logs and there was no bounce or rejection from hotmail.com
[2016-11-11 07:33:21] nick17 : BitMEX_Wally: I have a running position. Is there a way to see what will be my Liquidation Price in case the leverage is modified, without actually updating the leverage? (i.e. some calculator?)
[2016-11-11 07:40:42] BitMEX_Wally : nick17: We are working on this feature at the moment.
[2016-11-11 07:44:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 815 @ 0.008267
[2016-11-11 08:00:34] jung1 : morning
[2016-11-11 08:01:03] jung1 : today GOLEM start their ico
[2016-11-11 08:01:05] jung1 : https://blog.golemproject.net/golem-crowdfunding-contract-deployed-start-block-is-2607800-fcd1bb458d#.vkl8iq7y5
[2016-11-11 08:11:09] nick17 : BitMEX_Wally: Thanks. When I close a short position (e.g. of 1 contract), will there actually be executed a purchase from the orderbook (i.e. buying the lowest bid?)
[2016-11-11 08:12:37] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, a Close order is just a normal order
[2016-11-11 08:18:41] nick17 : BitMEX_Wally: Got it. Does the 'Unrealised PNL' indication take into account my Size number of contracts against the current orderbook? (e.g. if I have 30 contracts, will the ROE be calculated based on the lowest 30 bids in orderbook?)
[2016-11-11 08:19:56] ytaews : that's based on mark price not orderbook
[2016-11-11 08:24:09] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, unrealised PNL is calculated based on the mark price, ROE is just the unrealised PNL (%) multiplied by the current leverage setting
[2016-11-11 08:24:40] Dtrade16 : You guys long btc or what?
[2016-11-11 08:47:20] jung1 : Im out now
[2016-11-11 08:47:30] jung1 : waiting for some moves
[2016-11-11 09:04:11] zanza : collect that sweet funding
[2016-11-11 09:07:09] jung1 : you are going long after settlement?
[2016-11-11 09:19:17] nick17 : BitMEX_Wally: What happens during Settlement, if I have an open short position?
[2016-11-11 09:21:43] nick17 : BitMEX_Wally: (i.e. is there expected to be an orderbook, with bids during the Settlement occurrence?)
[2016-11-11 09:22:11] BitMEX_Wally : All positions are closed at the settlement price
[2016-11-11 09:22:21] BitMEX_Wally : All orders are canceled
[2016-11-11 09:44:09] jack1 : BitMEX_Wally: at the settlement price is same as poloniex?
[2016-11-11 09:50:50] BitMEX_Wally : jack1: Depends on the contract specification
[2016-11-11 09:51:23] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ZECZ16
[2016-11-11 09:51:30] BitMEX_Wally : ZECZ16 is a ZEC/XBT futures contract settling on the .ZECXBT30M Index.
[2016-11-11 09:51:58] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX .ZECXBT30M Index is a 30-minute TWAP of the Zcash price at Poloniex ending at 12:00 UTC
[2016-11-11 11:09:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1826 @ 0.014380
[2016-11-11 12:19:29] sleger : REKT: Bad judgment
[2016-11-11 12:27:26] jung1 : nice spread on zcash
[2016-11-11 12:32:56] Jokerr : zec under 0.2 before sunday
[2016-11-11 12:41:57] jung1 : now its under 0.2 and its before sunday
[2016-11-11 12:43:27] Jokerr : hehe, Mean on polo
[2016-11-11 12:57:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 7 @ 0.104031
[2016-11-11 13:15:19] BitMEX_Wally : ZECZ16 is getting boring, maybe we should increase the leverage
[2016-11-11 13:17:23] Jokerr : hehe
[2016-11-11 13:17:36] Jokerr : kinda tricky though with low liquidity and still low supply
[2016-11-11 13:17:44] Jokerr : vvery easy to manipulate
[2016-11-11 13:20:01] jung1 : feel free and let me know which way you plan to move the price :)
[2016-11-11 14:24:27] hhhhh : BitMEX_Wally: Please increase that leverage to 25x
[2016-11-11 14:34:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.101792
[2016-11-11 14:37:10] Rado : maybe 10x to start with
[2016-11-11 14:37:45] Rado : where are the BTC short sellers today?
[2016-11-11 14:38:22] Rado : I want to hear about price targets bellow $700 so I know how to scale my longs
[2016-11-11 14:38:45] anonymous789 : btc made a higher low at around 710 dollars, so presumably it goes up from here unless it makes a lower high
[2016-11-11 14:39:25] Rado : I was sarcastic anonymous789
[2016-11-11 14:39:55] anonymous789 : hmm actually this is quite hard to predict since on a longer scale btc has actually made a lower high compared to the previous run up
[2016-11-11 14:40:22] anonymous789 : looks like it could go either way
[2016-11-11 14:40:33] anonymous789 : i think i'm going to close my short position
[2016-11-11 14:54:23] fjt818 : zec
[2016-11-11 15:14:51] wurstgelee : down we go
[2016-11-11 15:19:12] anonymous789 : wurstgelee: certainly looks like a correction should be in order
[2016-11-11 15:44:17] Rado : this is a good buying opportunity
[2016-11-11 15:44:19] Rado : imo
[2016-11-11 15:45:31] +1 : Rado: Where do you think this will go?
[2016-11-11 15:47:07] anonymous789 : Rado: on the daily it looks like it should correct further
[2016-11-11 15:47:56] Rado : I think we will test 800 soon
[2016-11-11 15:49:02] arbitrage001 : trump is bad for asia it seems
[2016-11-11 15:49:15] arbitrage001 : my local currency went down 10%
[2016-11-11 15:49:19] arbitrage001 : so i am 10% pooer
[2016-11-11 15:50:04] anonymous789 : i think a solid correction would be to around $660 looking at the daily, i expect a lot of buying pressure at that level
[2016-11-11 15:50:35] anonymous789 : but heh anything could happen in crypto
[2016-11-11 15:50:46] anonymous789 : good news = test of 800 maybe
[2016-11-11 15:50:53] sleger : arbitrage001: what s your logic for saying you are 10% poorer ?
[2016-11-11 15:51:17] wurstgelee : good question
[2016-11-11 15:51:24] arbitrage001 : sleger: well, foreign goods will go up to 10% at least
[2016-11-11 15:51:38] arbitrage001 : iphone, pc, etc
[2016-11-11 15:51:49] sleger : arbitrage001: pc are made in asia
[2016-11-11 15:51:59] arbitrage001 : but price in usd
[2016-11-11 15:52:04] sleger : and it shouldnt represent a large% of your spending
[2016-11-11 15:52:16] sleger : most of your spending should be unaffected (rent, food ...)
[2016-11-11 15:52:31] arbitrage001 : agriculture land already went up 10-20times in the last 5-10 years
[2016-11-11 15:52:42] arbitrage001 : and house price double in 3 years
[2016-11-11 15:52:45] sleger : unrelated to the current discussion
[2016-11-11 15:52:53] anonymous789 : sleger: agreed
[2016-11-11 15:53:05] anonymous789 : agriculture and house price inflation not the same thing
[2016-11-11 15:53:42] anonymous789 : china's growth has been phenomenal over the last 5-10 years you should expect prices of things to go up anyway
[2016-11-11 15:53:45] arbitrage001 : in any case, i am fucked
[2016-11-11 15:56:50] Rado : arbitrage001: where is your income coming from?
[2016-11-11 15:57:27] arbitrage001 : Rado: crypto land
[2016-11-11 15:57:36] Rado : only?
[2016-11-11 15:57:41] arbitrage001 : yea
[2016-11-11 15:57:48] arbitrage001 : well, i am a guy
[2016-11-11 15:57:51] arbitrage001 : cant sell my body
[2016-11-11 15:58:01] Rado : then your income rose 100% in the last year
[2016-11-11 15:58:09] arbitrage001 : too bad i wasnt long
[2016-11-11 15:58:36] +1 : arbitrage001: if thats the case, you should profit when USD up
[2016-11-11 15:58:43] Rado : what do you mean
[2016-11-11 15:58:52] arbitrage001 : +1: not that simple
[2016-11-11 15:59:01] arbitrage001 : when currency is not stable
[2016-11-11 15:59:08] arbitrage001 : merchants here have to price that in
[2016-11-11 15:59:13] Rado : you hold MYR?
[2016-11-11 15:59:14] arbitrage001 : huge premium on everything
[2016-11-11 15:59:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 77 @ 712.88
[2016-11-11 15:59:22] +1 : arbitrage001: yea2
[2016-11-11 15:59:26] arbitrage001 : Rado: well, i ahve to eat and live here
[2016-11-11 15:59:48] Rado : yes, but your capital from which you generate income should be in BTC
[2016-11-11 15:59:52] arbitrage001 : and satisfy my sexual need
[2016-11-11 16:00:07] Rado : you need to find a girlfriend
[2016-11-11 16:00:11] Rado : they are free
[2016-11-11 16:00:15] +1 : Rado: lol
[2016-11-11 16:00:17] arbitrage001 : they are not
[2016-11-11 16:00:23] arbitrage001 : my left hand is free
[2016-11-11 16:00:30] arbitrage001 : girlfriend costs money
[2016-11-11 16:11:26] Dtrade16 : Everyone dumping cause of weekend or something?
[2016-11-11 16:15:16] iefken : just waiting for liftoff...
[2016-11-11 16:16:15] Dtrade16 : ??
[2016-11-11 16:16:50] arbitrage001 : price can go up and down without any reason
[2016-11-11 16:17:39] iefken : liftoffffffff
[2016-11-11 16:21:46] mattmex : 716.55 bitfinex price yeah baby bring on the gains
[2016-11-11 16:22:11] mattmex : xbt all the way
[2016-11-11 16:28:15] mjones : must suck to be long in zec here
[2016-11-11 16:29:34] wurstgelee : not at all, it's ben a great ride ;)
[2016-11-11 16:29:35] arbitrage001 : mjones: nope
[2016-11-11 16:29:36] wurstgelee : *e
[2016-11-11 16:29:46] arbitrage001 : still have more bid down here, feel free to fill me
[2016-11-11 16:29:55] wurstgelee : i second that ;)
[2016-11-11 16:29:56] arbitrage001 : all the way down to 0.4
[2016-11-11 16:30:09] wurstgelee : 0.04 probably tho ;)
[2016-11-11 16:30:20] arbitrage001 : 0.04
[2016-11-11 16:30:30] arbitrage001 : should it hit, i will create more at 0.02
[2016-11-11 16:30:50] arbitrage001 : like maybe 100 if the market price is 0.2
[2016-11-11 16:31:18] wurstgelee : high numbers ofc ;)
[2016-11-11 16:31:52] Rado : are you talking about ZEC?
[2016-11-11 16:31:57] wurstgelee : yep ofc
[2016-11-11 16:31:58] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-11-11 16:31:59] arbitrage001 : Rado: of course
[2016-11-11 16:32:03] arbitrage001 : what else can i talk about
[2016-11-11 16:32:10] arbitrage001 : my left hand?
[2016-11-11 16:32:15] wurstgelee : ha
[2016-11-11 16:32:42] Rado : that pump to 0.30 a few days ago was a very nice short
[2016-11-11 16:32:51] wurstgelee : it was
[2016-11-11 16:33:01] Rado : 0.10 might seem low, but it could go another 50% down easy
[2016-11-11 16:33:13] wurstgelee : also great for closing longs ;)
[2016-11-11 16:34:33] arbitrage001 : now matter how things turn out
[2016-11-11 16:34:44] arbitrage001 : one group of traders will be pissed
[2016-11-11 16:35:45] arbitrage001 : what is the reward for shorting at 0.1 anyway
[2016-11-11 16:39:47] Jokerr : wish the people that long good luck
[2016-11-11 16:40:06] Rado : arbitrage001: the reward could be big as I said
[2016-11-11 16:40:22] sleger : 0.1 big
[2016-11-11 16:40:45] Rado : price doesn't matter
[2016-11-11 16:40:52] arbitrage001 : there isn't enough volume for big fish for shorting
[2016-11-11 16:41:01] sleger : "Rado: price doesn't matter" c2016
[2016-11-11 16:41:02] Rado : if a $1 stock falls to 0.10 you make 90% profit
[2016-11-11 16:41:28] arbitrage001 : there is no liquidity for shorting big
[2016-11-11 16:41:31] Jokerr : zec value will be 0.02-0.05 btcin a fe weeks
[2016-11-11 16:41:36] Jokerr : true, liq is low
[2016-11-11 16:41:41] Jokerr : only a few btc
[2016-11-11 16:41:42] arbitrage001 : so trading going long is taking advantage
[2016-11-11 16:41:51] Rado : liq is increasing every day
[2016-11-11 16:41:53] arbitrage001 : trader going long
[2016-11-11 16:42:48] Jokerr : yeah futures liq will increase while zec liq will also increase true
[2016-11-11 16:43:07] Rado : also BitMEX might increase the lev
[2016-11-11 16:43:09] Jokerr : I'm still curious though if price will keep up with the miners
[2016-11-11 16:44:22] arbitrage001 : Rado: increasing leverage only benefit me for zec
[2016-11-11 16:44:55] wurstgelee : yep. 1x longs still safe
[2016-11-11 16:44:58] Jokerr : sell side increasing by the day and buy support is for 66% <0.12 BTC
[2016-11-11 16:45:01] wurstgelee : high lev longs not
[2016-11-11 16:45:01] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-11 16:45:09] arbitrage001 : need some dumb money to pile in
[2016-11-11 16:45:23] wurstgelee : *shorts
[2016-11-11 16:45:26] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-11 16:45:26] Jokerr : arbitrage001: hehe
[2016-11-11 16:45:28] arbitrage001 : cascading margin call
[2016-11-11 16:45:42] arbitrage001 : would be a nice way to clear my position
[2016-11-11 16:54:17] BitMEX_Wally : Cascading margin calls can't happen on BitMEX due to the way we calculate mark prices based on underlying indices
[2016-11-11 16:55:01] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Wally: i see
[2016-11-11 16:55:20] arbitrage001 : but panic close?
[2016-11-11 16:57:23] wurstgelee : thats technically no cascading ;)
[2016-11-11 16:58:27] Jokerr : hmm will btc repeat its self
[2016-11-11 16:58:38] Jokerr : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw_gSqSW8AAgmI3.jpg
[2016-11-11 17:00:14] wurstgelee : 2014 is bear market, 2016 isnt
[2016-11-11 17:00:17] wurstgelee : *was
[2016-11-11 17:09:10] Rado : most people don't get what's going on with BTC
[2016-11-11 17:10:47] arbitrage001 : Rado: what is going on with btc?
[2016-11-11 17:24:44] AudibleScience : hey what happened to the p&l?
[2016-11-11 17:26:14] BitMEX_Wally : AudibleScience: RealisedPNL used to be cumulative, but now we only show the RealisedPNL from your current position
[2016-11-11 17:26:56] BitMEX_Wally : When you close a position you get a RealisedPNL entry in your wallet history
[2016-11-11 17:27:20] AudibleScience : is it a preference? or is it fixed like that now?
[2016-11-11 17:28:49] BitMEX_Wally : AudibleScience: It's fixed like that, but look at the Closed Positions tab
[2016-11-11 17:29:31] AudibleScience : where?
[2016-11-11 17:29:41] BitMEX_Wally : Next to the Open Positions tab?
[2016-11-11 17:30:40] AudibleScience : oh duh!
[2016-11-11 17:31:20] BitMEX_Wally : When you close a position the PNL will be visible under the Closed Positions tab for a while
[2016-11-11 17:31:32] AudibleScience : that's great! so the cumulative lives there now.
[2016-11-11 17:34:07] AudibleScience : wait, you said "for a while" but how long is that?
[2016-11-11 17:34:31] BitMEX_Wally : When an instrument expires and re-lists then all PNL is reset to 0
[2016-11-11 17:34:50] BitMEX_Wally : So for ETH7D etc the closed position tab only has the cumulative PNL for that week
[2016-11-11 17:35:08] BitMEX_Wally : XBTUSD is a swap that doesn't expire but we will clear it weekly too
[2016-11-11 17:36:19] AudibleScience : why will it clear weekly?
[2016-11-11 17:37:08] BitMEX_Wally : The idea is that the wallet history contains all the realised PN
[2016-11-11 17:37:29] BitMEX_Wally : We want the closed positions tab to be consistent between instruments
[2016-11-11 17:37:40] AudibleScience : okay yeah but on the "perpetual" XBTUSD swap?
[2016-11-11 17:38:25] AudibleScience : it isn't logical.
[2016-11-11 17:38:53] BitMEX_Wally : If the position remains open the then PNL for that position is always there on Open Positions
[2016-11-11 17:39:11] BitMEX_Wally : However once you have closed a position, then that realised PNL is in the wallet history
[2016-11-11 17:39:54] BitMEX_Wally : In the closed positions tab we want to show the PNL from the last closed position, not the cumulative PNL from every closed position ever