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[2016-11-08 08:48:11] BitMEX_Sunny : @ss 你都可以加入我们群问问的。我的微信号JP16681668
[2016-11-08 08:48:47] wurstgelee : imabeast: i opened some short ~.13ish
[2016-11-08 08:48:48] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-08 08:48:49] wurstgelee : long ofc
[2016-11-08 08:49:12] imabeast : short or long?
[2016-11-08 08:49:15] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: For a moment I thought you said you shorted at 0.13, couldn't believe it
[2016-11-08 08:49:18] imabeast : i thought u dont short zec
[2016-11-08 08:49:18] imabeast : haha
[2016-11-08 08:49:28] imabeast : CapitalGains: lmao
[2016-11-08 08:50:04] imabeast : something is bound to happen
[2016-11-08 08:50:16] imabeast : someone bought at least 30 contracts lol
[2016-11-08 09:01:28] Mm bot : imabeast: some one could be accumulating before a pump on Polo to 5X it's market cap
[2016-11-08 09:02:10] Mm bot : imabeast: or someone thought they got a bargain with sell price 0.24 here vs 0.3 polo
[2016-11-08 09:02:20] imabeast : haha
[2016-11-08 09:02:50] Mm bot : screaming 25% free profit
[2016-11-08 09:06:54] jung1 : ethereum network fall over 50% of hashpower couse of zcash
[2016-11-08 09:08:34] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-08 09:08:40] wurstgelee : i love you zec
[2016-11-08 09:08:44] wurstgelee : free money
[2016-11-08 09:10:08] laisee : Free pennies in front of a bulldozer
[2016-11-08 09:10:16] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: amen
[2016-11-08 09:10:54] wurstgelee : wouldnt say pennies
[2016-11-08 09:10:58] wurstgelee : a btc is a btc
[2016-11-08 09:11:41] wurstgelee : could we please dumpto.13 again now? thank you:)
[2016-11-08 09:13:32] CapitalGains : Anyone know how ROE is calculated for the leaderboard? Is it weighted? Because I made a tiny loss on XBTUSD with a liquidation (so -100% ROE, but with only 0.01) and I'm hoping it doesn't ruin my stats
[2016-11-08 09:13:59] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: you dont want to be on the ROA leaderboard, you want to be on the prift board anyways ;)
[2016-11-08 09:14:02] wurstgelee : *ROE
[2016-11-08 09:14:08] wurstgelee : also profit ffs
[2016-11-08 09:14:26] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: I'm too small a fish to be on the profit board
[2016-11-08 09:14:29] wurstgelee : longed what i hope is a XMR dip ;)
[2016-11-08 09:14:55] CapitalGains : I longed XMR yesterday at 0.0075, but then closed it because I didn't feel like babysitting :(
[2016-11-08 09:15:03] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: hahasame;)
[2016-11-08 09:15:11] wurstgelee : 75 to 81 or sth
[2016-11-08 09:15:57] CapitalGains : But I actually bought a bunch of XMR (so not a position) on Polo when it was down down, so everything's not lost
[2016-11-08 09:16:24] imabeast : i hit dat short right at the tip top
[2016-11-08 09:16:24] imabeast : hahha
[2016-11-08 09:16:26] imabeast : so lucky
[2016-11-08 09:16:31] imabeast : on xmr
[2016-11-08 09:16:35] CapitalGains : Nicely done
[2016-11-08 09:16:57] wurstgelee : imabeast: good job
[2016-11-08 09:17:14] wurstgelee : trying to wrap my head around fct atm
[2016-11-08 09:17:23] wurstgelee : its yelling short at me tbh
[2016-11-08 09:17:39] imabeast : yea i think that was the blow off top
[2016-11-08 09:18:06] wurstgelee : i wish it was a higher blow off tho
[2016-11-08 09:18:12] wurstgelee : a nice,clean spike
[2016-11-08 09:19:01] wurstgelee : fck it, worth a try
[2016-11-08 09:19:09] wurstgelee : gambling some free zec long money ;)
[2016-11-08 09:19:10] imabeast : :D
[2016-11-08 09:19:46] wurstgelee : 369 is just too tempting;)
[2016-11-08 09:20:16] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: I rate with cross margin you should have a positive exit point by Friday if not sooner
[2016-11-08 09:20:38] CapitalGains : The trick is to not get liquidated when the position sneezes in the wrong direction ever so briefly
[2016-11-08 09:20:48] wurstgelee : yeah,i have fixed tho
[2016-11-08 09:20:53] wurstgelee : 10x
[2016-11-08 09:21:13] CapitalGains : I hope FCT doesn't sneeze then
[2016-11-08 09:21:21] wurstgelee : if if get margin called with that, i was horribly wrong anyways
[2016-11-08 09:22:12] wilhelm : Is there any app in the market that can be used with bitmex yet?
[2016-11-08 09:22:29] wurstgelee : dunno,probably not
[2016-11-08 09:22:44] wurstgelee : bitmex works great on mobile browser tho
[2016-11-08 09:22:45] imabeast : fct caressed me today
[2016-11-08 09:22:50] imabeast : in like 2 seconds lol
[2016-11-08 09:22:53] wurstgelee : unlike any other exchange i know of
[2016-11-08 09:23:01] wurstgelee : imabeast: fct is a bitch
[2016-11-08 09:23:35] imabeast : i placed a short at .0035.. got my order placed... then literally 10 seconds later i got liquidated
[2016-11-08 09:23:37] imabeast : haha
[2016-11-08 09:23:50] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-08 09:23:54] wurstgelee : bad timing
[2016-11-08 09:23:57] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-11-08 09:24:06] imabeast : did it the night before and forgot about it
[2016-11-08 09:24:07] imabeast : smh
[2016-11-08 09:24:44] wurstgelee : i do stupid things late at night.trying to stop that atm
[2016-11-08 09:24:47] wurstgelee : doesnt work so far
[2016-11-08 09:25:15] wilhelm : Yea.. mobile browser looks great, will stick with that for now then. Was contemplating if I should develop an app for convenience sake
[2016-11-08 09:25:38] wilhelm : Hahah @imabeast, I try not to trade before I sleep nowadays
[2016-11-08 09:26:02] wurstgelee : come on FCT,11 btc to 355....
[2016-11-08 09:26:05] wurstgelee : u can do it
[2016-11-08 09:26:06] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 09:26:35] imabeast : wurstgelee: u short fct?
[2016-11-08 09:26:40] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-08 09:26:50] wurstgelee : 0.003693 3000 10:18:51 S
[2016-11-08 09:26:53] wurstgelee : that was me
[2016-11-08 09:26:56] rapidtrades : how low can one coin go before u buy
[2016-11-08 09:27:11] rapidtrades : the tale of ZEC
[2016-11-08 09:27:17] rapidtrades : the One True Coin
[2016-11-08 09:27:40] wurstgelee : .13atm tbh
[2016-11-08 09:27:46] wurstgelee : and below ofc
[2016-11-08 09:28:01] rapidtrades : are those 5 ur bids?
[2016-11-08 09:28:08] wurstgelee : unlikely
[2016-11-08 09:28:13] wurstgelee : mine are hidden as usual
[2016-11-08 09:28:16] imabeast : u guys at bittrex too?
[2016-11-08 09:28:32] wurstgelee : i have an account tehre...but irarely used it nowadays
[2016-11-08 09:28:35] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: why u hide em bitch
[2016-11-08 09:28:40] rapidtrades : what are u afraid of?
[2016-11-08 09:28:49] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: i am afraid of scaring shorters
[2016-11-08 09:28:58] wurstgelee : so i am hiding them to get them filled ;)
[2016-11-08 09:29:02] rapidtrades : scaring is pretty bad
[2016-11-08 09:29:06] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-11-08 09:29:11] wurstgelee : i want them to get filled...
[2016-11-08 09:29:31] rapidtrades : if ur gonna post it in chat they're not really hidden
[2016-11-08 09:29:37] rapidtrades : where exactly are they
[2016-11-08 09:29:42] imabeast : FCT: http://d.stockcharts.com/school/data/media/chart_school/market_analysis/wyckoff2/wyss-02-markdown.png .. in the correction phase
[2016-11-08 09:29:43] wurstgelee : i am not telling where they are, did i?
[2016-11-08 09:29:45] imabeast : i might get in
[2016-11-08 09:29:48] rapidtrades : 13
[2016-11-08 09:29:54] rapidtrades : 1300001
[2016-11-08 09:29:56] wurstgelee : yep,~.13
[2016-11-08 09:29:59] wurstgelee : higherst bid
[2016-11-08 09:30:01] wurstgelee : *-r
[2016-11-08 09:30:14] wurstgelee : stacked dow with increasing size,as usual
[2016-11-08 09:30:17] wurstgelee : *n
[2016-11-08 09:30:20] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-11-08 09:31:02] imabeast : wurstgelee: shorting with you
[2016-11-08 09:31:23] wurstgelee : yep,double/triple top much
[2016-11-08 09:31:35] wurstgelee : so either surprise new high or $$$
[2016-11-08 09:31:36] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 09:32:30] imabeast : FCT chart looks exactly like wyckoff chart
[2016-11-08 09:33:04] rapidtrades : why is mark below bid on ZEC
[2016-11-08 09:33:32] wurstgelee : imabeast: lets hope we just saw distribution....
[2016-11-08 09:33:37] wurstgelee : and not accumulation before stage 2
[2016-11-08 09:33:38] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 09:33:44] wurstgelee : unlikelytho imo...
[2016-11-08 09:34:00] imabeast : no i think its at the correction part
[2016-11-08 09:34:05] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-08 09:34:31] wurstgelee : iam confident enough to leave the screen for coffee&cig withou a stoplos :p
[2016-11-08 09:34:40] wurstgelee : *s
[2016-11-08 09:35:59] rapidtrades : 1.7m market cap
[2016-11-08 09:36:08] rapidtrades : excessively low
[2016-11-08 09:36:26] CapitalGains : Not for a coin with less than 20k units
[2016-11-08 09:36:44] rapidtrades : 20k precious coins
[2016-11-08 09:36:53] CapitalGains : Yes agreed
[2016-11-08 09:36:58] rapidtrades : get one today!
[2016-11-08 09:36:58] CapitalGains : Sell them while they're precious
[2016-11-08 09:37:03] rapidtrades : only 0.31
[2016-11-08 09:37:54] imabeast : zec holding that floor nicely
[2016-11-08 09:38:24] rapidtrades : yea it always holds the floor incely until it drops to a new floor
[2016-11-08 09:38:30] rapidtrades : then it holds that one nicely
[2016-11-08 09:38:32] jung1 : etc s+1
[2016-11-08 09:38:48] jung1 : etc go to 12
[2016-11-08 09:39:10] rapidtrades : u can't expect ZEC sentiment to be high when it drops 30% every single day
[2016-11-08 09:39:20] wurstgelee : w need those drops
[2016-11-08 09:39:22] wurstgelee : *we
[2016-11-08 09:39:27] wurstgelee : to get longs filled
[2016-11-08 09:39:29] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 09:39:31] rapidtrades : but once that stops, watch out shorts
[2016-11-08 09:39:42] imabeast : rapidtrades: lmao
[2016-11-08 09:39:56] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: shots didnt do so well recently....
[2016-11-08 09:39:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 09:40:03] wurstgelee : *r
[2016-11-08 09:40:10] wurstgelee : i hate this keyboard....
[2016-11-08 09:40:16] wurstgelee : keeps eating my letters
[2016-11-08 09:40:37] rapidtrades : if u want to short here u need to put stop at 3x risk minimum...not worth it imo
[2016-11-08 09:41:16] imabeast : or just use cross on short, and make your liquidation higher than 1 btc and youll be good lol
[2016-11-08 09:41:17] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-08 09:41:18] bowtoer : hi im new here / how ill buy 0.01 lol its like only min 1
[2016-11-08 09:41:22] rapidtrades : that's if u can get the max and zec goes to 0, which is not gonna happen
[2016-11-08 09:41:27] wurstgelee : also the decline of zec is getting slower@ polo
[2016-11-08 09:41:39] wurstgelee : was ~30 per 24hthe last days...almost constantly
[2016-11-08 09:41:40] rapidtrades : imabeast: ok but ur max gain is 0.15 from here
[2016-11-08 09:41:42] wurstgelee : -17%now
[2016-11-08 09:41:58] imabeast : rapidtrades: yehh true that
[2016-11-08 09:41:58] rapidtrades : and ur loss will be > 0.9 btc
[2016-11-08 09:42:17] wurstgelee : r/ris just shitty for shorting zec here imo
[2016-11-08 09:42:21] rapidtrades : realistically ur not getting more then 0.1 tho cos ZEC ain't going to zero
[2016-11-08 09:42:41] imabeast : waiting for fct to hit
[2016-11-08 09:42:43] imabeast : zzz
[2016-11-08 09:42:47] jung1 : imo 0.1 for zcash is fair price
[2016-11-08 09:43:03] imabeast : there will be a lot of resistance at .1
[2016-11-08 09:43:28] wurstgelee : there is no "fair" price in crypto
[2016-11-08 09:43:57] imabeast : hope im right on this fct call lol
[2016-11-08 09:44:03] wurstgelee : imabeast: doubts as well? oO
[2016-11-08 09:44:20] rapidtrades : it's hard to see it below 0.05 give the small supply
[2016-11-08 09:44:35] imabeast : what feature jsut came out for fct?
[2016-11-08 09:44:44] wurstgelee : imabeast: some ico
[2016-11-08 09:44:50] wurstgelee : ah no,that was lisk
[2016-11-08 09:44:54] wurstgelee : dunnothen
[2016-11-08 09:44:58] wurstgelee : m2 testnet
[2016-11-08 09:45:00] rapidtrades : even the 300k by december are tiny compared to others
[2016-11-08 09:45:03] wurstgelee : right,that was it
[2016-11-08 09:45:04] rapidtrades : eth has 80mil atm
[2016-11-08 09:45:07] wurstgelee : testnet for new version
[2016-11-08 09:45:13] wurstgelee : so its a stupid pump-on-news
[2016-11-08 09:46:09] imabeast : wurstgelee: have your low btc bids in?
[2016-11-08 09:46:32] wurstgelee : not yet.planning to not touch btc and maybe react to first election results
[2016-11-08 09:46:43] imabeast : ah okay
[2016-11-08 09:47:00] imabeast : i have bids around 630-640
[2016-11-08 09:47:12] wurstgelee : hm...not the worst idea
[2016-11-08 09:47:25] imabeast : :D
[2016-11-08 09:48:35] imabeast : think too many people are bullish, btc needs a kick in the balls before we go up again
[2016-11-08 09:49:50] wurstgelee : okc used margin shorts>longs iirc
[2016-11-08 09:50:09] wurstgelee : twitter seemsto be crowded with bulls tho
[2016-11-08 09:52:02] imabeast : yea definitely
[2016-11-08 09:52:11] imabeast : alright time to sleep. gl trading yall
[2016-11-08 09:56:43] pittapatta : got lsk removed?
[2016-11-08 09:57:16] jung1 : yup
[2016-11-08 09:57:24] pittapatta : when ~ ?
[2016-11-08 09:57:31] jung1 : like 2 weeks ago
[2016-11-08 09:57:39] pittapatta : oh okay, thank you
[2016-11-08 10:04:58] wurstgelee : imabeast:cu
[2016-11-08 10:16:25] jung1 : let it fall etc!
[2016-11-08 10:30:41] thomaskikansha : zec new low
[2016-11-08 10:31:08] kradiav : lol
[2016-11-08 10:31:42] wurstgelee : quelle surprise
[2016-11-08 10:31:43] wurstgelee : :]
[2016-11-08 10:32:45] jung1 : http://whattomine.com/ zcash still have 2x bigger hashrate than eth
[2016-11-08 10:38:14] cryptobull : rip zcash
[2016-11-08 10:38:56] kradiav : zcash cured my cold, it's miraculous
[2016-11-08 10:39:13] yerb : does Dec 30 XBT have also negative maker fee?
[2016-11-08 10:39:18] jung1 : live long zcash
[2016-11-08 10:40:12] thomaskikansha : lol whos shorting
[2016-11-08 10:40:17] kradiav : yerb: ye
[2016-11-08 10:40:26] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-08 10:40:29] wurstgelee : aaaand long again
[2016-11-08 10:40:30] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 10:41:05] jung1 : so awesome
[2016-11-08 10:41:09] jung1 : like ethereum one year ago
[2016-11-08 10:44:19] wurstgelee : i really wonder who keeps on shorting ......125 and such
[2016-11-08 10:45:36] NL007 : ZEC is over
[2016-11-08 10:46:13] NL007 : to many people got burned when price was over 1btc
[2016-11-08 10:46:38] NL007 : Miners are 24/7 dumping their coins
[2016-11-08 10:46:48] wurstgelee : lolz, that never gets old ,doesnt it?
[2016-11-08 10:47:01] wurstgelee : hearing such and alike since launch....:)
[2016-11-08 10:47:12] NL007 : maybe at 0.01 i will buy some coins
[2016-11-08 10:47:25] NL007 : wurstgelee: it never gets old
[2016-11-08 10:47:31] NL007 : XD
[2016-11-08 10:48:36] CapitalGains : The problem with no premine is that inflation is insane. It's still sitting at 15-20% per day. And next year it will probably be at 200-300% p.a.
[2016-11-08 10:49:38] CapitalGains : In order to make holding ZEC worthwhile, you need the increase in interest to outpace the inflation.
[2016-11-08 10:50:18] NL007 : CapitalGains: doesnt matter the coin doesnt add anything new to crypto
[2016-11-08 10:52:06] wurstgelee : i does add nicely to my btc balance tho
[2016-11-08 10:52:10] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 10:54:32] CapitalGains : To me ZEC has been paradoxical. I thought all the money would be made by shorting it, but the opposite has been true.
[2016-11-08 10:55:23] CapitalGains : If I had big enough margin, I probably would short like 1000 contracts at 0.2 because I can't see any way it would be so high by DEC.
[2016-11-08 10:57:41] jung1 : buy then btc by credit card
[2016-11-08 11:01:38] CapitalGains : 50% spread on ZEC... insane
[2016-11-08 11:05:20] raver36 : who is shorting monero?
[2016-11-08 11:38:46] aethlios : don't short zec now, wait for a spot pump, zecz16 margin calls and place orders 0.5 to 0.75
[2016-11-08 11:39:29] CapitalGains : aethlios: You foresee a spot pump?
[2016-11-08 11:40:08] aethlios : CapitalGains: yes easily, price very oversold, they could pump to 1
[2016-11-08 11:40:12] wurstgelee : there will be at least one, sson
[2016-11-08 11:40:26] wurstgelee : that and also market share of big palyersgets smaller by the day
[2016-11-08 11:40:30] wurstgelee : they have to
[2016-11-08 11:40:36] wurstgelee : otherwise they lose big
[2016-11-08 11:40:37] CapitalGains : I think 0.1 will be the time for pumps.
[2016-11-08 11:40:58] jonny : the markprice for zec here has a special formular considering future inflation? because 0.11 didnt happen yet
[2016-11-08 11:41:23] wurstgelee : jonny: click on the mark price for details
[2016-11-08 11:41:34] jonny : that is just the standard page
[2016-11-08 11:41:42] wurstgelee : yet everything is explained there
[2016-11-08 11:41:56] wurstgelee : its valid for ZEC
[2016-11-08 11:42:23] aethlios : pumps will happen all the wat down because they want to keep delusional bulls in hope. but pumps will be always from lower levels. we had a last strong pump 0.7 to 3.6
[2016-11-08 11:42:38] CapitalGains : The mark price is a combination of the middle of the spread, and an annual percentage by which ZEC is meant to be devaluing, which is compared to the spot price.
[2016-11-08 11:42:39] wurstgelee : aethlios: i agree
[2016-11-08 11:43:11] wurstgelee : 0.1 seems to low tho, idoubt we will see .2 without a pump in between
[2016-11-08 11:43:19] aethlios : also a long here 0.1 very possible to be profitable and sell 0.25 or above during spot pump
[2016-11-08 11:43:19] wurstgelee : you never know tho...
[2016-11-08 11:43:28] wurstgelee : *too
[2016-11-08 11:43:42] wurstgelee : aethlios: +1
[2016-11-08 11:43:45] NL007 : exactly this is crypto
[2016-11-08 11:43:48] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: 0.2 will probably have a pump, but it gets harder for pumps to push much higher
[2016-11-08 11:44:00] wurstgelee : longing .13 has a very limited risk but a lot of potential
[2016-11-08 11:44:09] NL007 : i think the will let price fall a bit mor
[2016-11-08 11:44:22] aethlios : here short margin calls and ADL drive price up quickly.
[2016-11-08 11:44:24] wurstgelee : maybe, maybe not. i dont know tbh. but i know there will be pump :)
[2016-11-08 11:44:58] NL007 : accumulate at low prices and than pump
[2016-11-08 11:45:26] wurstgelee : crypto <3
[2016-11-08 11:45:29] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 11:47:17] CapitalGains : Here's a thought - to me it seems like if futures somehow go above spot price, it would be safe (not entirely but comparatively) to short. What do you all think? Would you short ZEC here at 0.4 if Polo was on 0.3?
[2016-11-08 11:47:38] NL007 : 1 positive thing buy support 896btc up again
[2016-11-08 11:48:13] NL007 : CapitalGains: ofcourse
[2016-11-08 11:48:24] NL007 : but it wont happen
[2016-11-08 11:49:16] CapitalGains : Last night there was a spike here and it very nearly happened
[2016-11-08 11:49:27] NL007 : yesterday we got very close
[2016-11-08 11:49:28] wurstgelee : i shorted some ~.3
[2016-11-08 11:49:40] wurstgelee : aethlios (it was him iirc)shorted 100 from .35
[2016-11-08 11:49:48] NL007 : wurstgelee: i hadnt enough btc
[2016-11-08 11:49:50] wurstgelee : he was a sec faster than me....
[2016-11-08 11:49:51] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 11:49:58] CapitalGains : Well played.
[2016-11-08 11:50:10] wurstgelee : yeah,only got 4 or 5 @.3 ...but still
[2016-11-08 11:50:12] wurstgelee : easy profit
[2016-11-08 11:50:40] NL007 : wurstgelee: yes
[2016-11-08 11:50:47] CapitalGains : I haven't allowed myself to short ZEC since my first mistake, but I might...
[2016-11-08 11:51:06] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: i had the same battle with my inner self. briefly
[2016-11-08 11:51:15] wurstgelee : thats why aethlios got those shorts in i guess
[2016-11-08 11:51:15] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 11:51:40] aethlios : 77 short, not 100.
[2016-11-08 11:51:50] wurstgelee : aethlios: i thought you were the 2x50
[2016-11-08 11:51:55] NL007 : somebody lost yesterday big
[2016-11-08 11:52:03] wurstgelee : u close 2 mins earlier with him hen :)
[2016-11-08 11:52:03] aethlios : 50 and 27
[2016-11-08 11:52:08] jonny : i was here to short up to 10 zec at 10btc, but didnt even have the margin for one :(
[2016-11-08 11:52:12] wurstgelee : yep, tehre were 2x50 and 27
[2016-11-08 11:52:26] CapitalGains : jonny: My condolences
[2016-11-08 11:52:33] aethlios : closed 2 minutes after at 0.2
[2016-11-08 11:52:39] wurstgelee : aethlios: not jelly :p
[2016-11-08 11:52:49] CapitalGains : I was trying to convince a friend to lend me BTC for the 10 BTC short, but it didn't happen
[2016-11-08 11:54:01] aethlios : now placed a bid 100*0.1 if gets hit and ready for a pump, also placed shorts from 0.5 to 0.7 45 contracts short orders.
[2016-11-08 11:54:38] wurstgelee : the orderbook is so fckn crowded with hidden orders probably....
[2016-11-08 11:54:39] CapitalGains : aethlios: Sounds like you've got ZEC futures down to a fine art
[2016-11-08 11:55:05] CapitalGains : Oh yes, it's a hidden order minefield. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother looking at the order book.
[2016-11-08 11:55:14] wurstgelee : anything above .3 is a safg short, .1 a safe long ;)
[2016-11-08 11:55:22] wurstgelee : *e
[2016-11-08 11:55:41] CapitalGains : Provided you have margin
[2016-11-08 11:55:49] wurstgelee : yes ofc
[2016-11-08 11:56:02] wurstgelee : not for long..but u better have for short ;)
[2016-11-08 11:56:18] CapitalGains : I wouldn't 2x short at 0.3 on isolated margin. 0.375 or 0.4 would be liquidation price
[2016-11-08 11:56:28] wurstgelee : nope,but 1x should be safe
[2016-11-08 11:56:33] CapitalGains : Should be.
[2016-11-08 11:56:41] aethlios : zec 6H MFI is 11.69, 4H 22.9, 1H 33, so thos shows oversold in longer timeframe, but in short time frames it starts to bottom sell pressure lower, so pumpers could try to pump now.
[2016-11-08 11:56:45] wurstgelee : if not, you shouldnt be in that short anyways and its maybe better to get mc
[2016-11-08 11:56:47] CapitalGains : But I thought shorting ZEC at 3 BTC would be safe.
[2016-11-08 11:56:50] wurstgelee : you never know... :)
[2016-11-08 11:58:28] aethlios : where to you expect expiration price? above 0.05 or below?
[2016-11-08 11:58:47] CapitalGains : Oooh that's a hard one
[2016-11-08 11:59:16] CapitalGains : I can't narrow it down to more than a range - 0.02 to 0.1
[2016-11-08 12:01:13] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: What's your guess for the price on Dec 30?
[2016-11-08 12:01:57] wurstgelee : i have no clue. .02 to .2 maybe
[2016-11-08 12:02:06] wurstgelee : depends a lot on news - if there are any
[2016-11-08 12:02:15] wurstgelee : and timing of those
[2016-11-08 12:09:18] aethlios : where to watch elections live? here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVlXX9_npTY
[2016-11-08 12:12:05] aethlios : Brexit, Trump, Le pen, schaeuble, greek parallel currency, btc to 3,500
[2016-11-08 12:13:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 3 @ 0.154208
[2016-11-08 12:24:33] jung1 : hope so!
[2016-11-08 12:25:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.169738
[2016-11-08 12:25:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 2 @ 0.164820
[2016-11-08 12:26:41] CapitalGains : What the heck is happening to our mark price?
[2016-11-08 12:30:17] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-08 12:30:24] wurstgelee : its just doesnt stop....
[2016-11-08 12:30:27] wurstgelee : free $$$
[2016-11-08 12:30:29] wurstgelee : *-s
[2016-11-08 12:31:17] Swisswatcher : is there a way I can contact support?
[2016-11-08 12:31:38] wurstgelee : support@bitmex.com
[2016-11-08 12:31:45] wurstgelee : or highlighting here
[2016-11-08 12:31:52] wurstgelee : admins present?
[2016-11-08 12:33:22] Swisswatcher : can someone explain me why short position oe ZECZ16 gets liquidated when price goes down?
[2016-11-08 12:33:52] Swisswatcher : I actually thought it should be the opposite
[2016-11-08 12:34:02] CapitalGains : The mark price went up
[2016-11-08 12:34:13] iefken : Swisswatcher: having the same trouble
[2016-11-08 12:34:27] CapitalGains : The mark price was hovering at 0.11 for a while, and then it seems it randomly went up
[2016-11-08 12:34:41] CapitalGains : However, the mark price was below the highest bid for a long time
[2016-11-08 12:35:05] Swisswatcher : I dont see the underlying went up
[2016-11-08 12:35:17] lockhedge : probably because of the huge bid/ask spread. fair basis is based on impact mid price
[2016-11-08 12:36:04] wurstgelee : lockhedge: that
[2016-11-08 12:36:12] Swisswatcher : ok now I get it
[2016-11-08 12:36:15] Swisswatcher : 24hr High 0.45100000
[2016-11-08 12:37:17] kingkrung : Swisswatcher: where do you see that?
[2016-11-08 12:37:27] CapitalGains : Seriously though, our mark price is 0.2 now, which is way outside the 0.1 impact
[2016-11-08 12:37:40] wurstgelee : i dont get it eitheratm tbh
[2016-11-08 12:37:45] Swisswatcher : I checked it on Poloniex
[2016-11-08 12:39:24] kingkrung : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-11-08 12:40:06] wurstgelee : yeah,ofc. but .198 seems off to me
[2016-11-08 12:41:26] CapitalGains : The way I understand it, these futures prices have been keeping close to the Poloniex price, which means the fair basis rate or whatever has changed. When we were 1/4 of Polo, it was much bigger.
[2016-11-08 12:49:17] wurstgelee : nice fct dump
[2016-11-08 12:50:36] kingkrung : if you look at the fair price marking you see that Time To Expiry in days is used. so everytime a new day starts, see settlement at the top of ZECZ16 contract, it will make a jump. Settelment for ZEC is 51d 23:09 naw. so this was the reason for the jump 51min ago..
[2016-11-08 12:52:33] BitMEX_Wally : kingkrung: We use time to expiry measured in seconds, so it is a continual decay
[2016-11-08 12:53:14] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: current mark @ .194 ...bids .134, asks.168
[2016-11-08 12:53:16] wurstgelee : how so?oO
[2016-11-08 12:53:32] wurstgelee : just wondering...
[2016-11-08 12:53:44] arbitrage001 : the fill price is interesting
[2016-11-08 12:53:55] arbitrage001 : MM seems to be making a killing
[2016-11-08 12:53:58] arbitrage001 : between gaps
[2016-11-08 12:54:40] BitMEX_Wally : wurstgelee: The fair basis rate is only updated when the spread between the impact bid and impact offer is less than the maintenance margin
[2016-11-08 12:54:50] wurstgelee : ahhhh
[2016-11-08 12:54:51] wurstgelee : ok
[2016-11-08 12:55:01] wurstgelee : makes sense thanks
[2016-11-08 12:55:19] wurstgelee : so as longs as the spread doesnt get smaller, it will stay there, right?
[2016-11-08 12:55:29] wurstgelee : k, fixed ;)
[2016-11-08 12:56:45] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, I've manually adjusted the fair basis rate to -300% so the fair price is now within the spread
[2016-11-08 13:00:14] CapitalGains : BitMEX_Wally: How is ROE calculated for the leaderboard? Is it weighted?
[2016-11-08 13:00:39] j8 : at this rate zec will be worth -0.5 btc by this time next year
[2016-11-08 13:00:48] CapitalGains : j8: +1
[2016-11-08 13:00:58] arbitrage001 : j8: i will buy at much as i can at 0
[2016-11-08 13:01:29] CapitalGains : arbitrage001: If j8 is right, then you'll be looking at a 0.5 loss per contract ;)
[2016-11-08 13:01:36] arbitrage001 : if sell pressure persist, i of course wont mind getting paid by buying at negative rate
[2016-11-08 13:01:52] CapitalGains : cwl
[2016-11-08 13:02:25] wurstgelee : k, new round. come on everybody, great shorts available @ ZEC ;)
[2016-11-08 13:02:40] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: open interest is getting higher
[2016-11-08 13:02:48] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-08 13:02:56] wurstgelee : some shorters with deeper pockets now
[2016-11-08 13:03:20] arbitrage001 : i am last in line to get adl, since my long didnt get filled
[2016-11-08 13:03:23] lockhedge : j8: do you think the failure of zcash is already priced in btc? one of the biggest risks for btc has always been a more advanced competitor, seems like it is not so easy to establish one.
[2016-11-08 13:03:29] arbitrage001 : and position open at .45
[2016-11-08 13:03:57] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: btc has only one thing
[2016-11-08 13:04:09] arbitrage001 : network and liquidity
[2016-11-08 13:04:18] j8 : lockhedge: not sure exactly what you mean, but i don't think the zec market is efficient at pricing anything at this point
[2016-11-08 13:04:18] wurstgelee : recipe for success
[2016-11-08 13:04:20] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 13:04:32] arbitrage001 : the same infrastructure can be used to support any coin now
[2016-11-08 13:04:46] wurstgelee : also i agree with j8. its still a giant shitshow. which is great if u know how to play it :)
[2016-11-08 13:04:55] CapitalGains : Agreed
[2016-11-08 13:05:04] j8 : do you mean the btc market pricing in success or failure of zec? @lockhedge
[2016-11-08 13:05:16] arbitrage001 : j8: nobody know
[2016-11-08 13:05:18] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: u could say the same about facebook. u could use the same infrastructure (the internt) for a different product...yet it doesnt happen
[2016-11-08 13:05:19] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-08 13:05:21] arbitrage001 : everyone is gambling
[2016-11-08 13:05:34] CapitalGains : There's no "price discovery" happening here, only gambling for now
[2016-11-08 13:05:44] wurstgelee : that
[2016-11-08 13:06:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.008755
[2016-11-08 13:06:09] wurstgelee : price discoverywill start witha reasonable supply
[2016-11-08 13:06:10] lockhedge : j8: yes, if zcash price does not take up it will never reach a liquidity comparable to btc
[2016-11-08 13:06:18] wurstgelee : so end of the year,early 2017 maybe
[2016-11-08 13:07:13] arbitrage001 : i just want a few spike lol
[2016-11-08 13:07:21] wurstgelee : haha, same :D
[2016-11-08 13:07:23] arbitrage001 : and buy back everytimes it goes down
[2016-11-08 13:08:09] wurstgelee : xmr getting some rough dump love
[2016-11-08 13:08:32] arbitrage001 : all alt coins are freak show
[2016-11-08 13:08:47] arbitrage001 : whale swallowing up retrail left and right
[2016-11-08 13:08:56] arbitrage001 : retail
[2016-11-08 13:09:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.008636
[2016-11-08 13:10:33] wurstgelee : same for fct...
[2016-11-08 13:12:07] laisee : krill - snack food for whales
[2016-11-08 13:13:24] j8 : whales gotta eat too
[2016-11-08 13:14:04] arbitrage001 : just swim close to them and leech some freebies
[2016-11-08 13:14:16] arbitrage001 : close but not too close
[2016-11-08 13:16:34] laisee : thats sucker fish ... or remora
[2016-11-08 13:17:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 45 @ 705.89
[2016-11-08 13:28:02] aethlios : strong buyer at finex
[2016-11-08 13:29:36] thomaskikansha : some volume happening on finex
[2016-11-08 13:42:33] wurstgelee : pump ;)
[2016-11-08 13:44:49] mjones : Xbt 3 month not moving up
[2016-11-08 13:45:17] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-08 13:45:19] arbitrage001 : mjones: what price do you think it should be?
[2016-11-08 13:45:45] mjones : Shouldn't be a $3 gap is all i care about
[2016-11-08 13:50:48] mjones : and yesterday when china was this high price was $732
[2016-11-08 13:51:41] mjones : whole orderbook is wack right now. market maker left the building
[2016-11-08 14:00:47] mjones : now i have to withdraw a hour earlier?
[2016-11-08 14:01:02] mjones : damn daylight saving. now i gotta wake up earlier
[2016-11-08 14:01:21] mjones : 10 hours till first polls close
[2016-11-08 14:05:36] yerb : I have read the XBTZ16 contract specs but I'm still sure how much % exactly I pay to open and close position, can somebody elaborate please?
[2016-11-08 14:05:49] BitMEX_Greg : yerb: Hi yerb
[2016-11-08 14:05:55] yerb : hi
[2016-11-08 14:06:40] BitMEX_Greg : yerb: XBTZ16 offers up to 100x leverage. that means you only need to allocate a minimum of 1% to opening a position
[2016-11-08 14:07:00] BitMEX_Greg : For example, lets say you want to open a 100xbt position. You only require 1 xbt of margin to do so
[2016-11-08 14:07:16] yerb : alrite
[2016-11-08 14:07:26] yerb : are there fees like maket and taker?
[2016-11-08 14:07:34] yerb : *mak
[2016-11-08 14:07:40] yerb : *maker
[2016-11-08 14:07:41] BitMEX_Greg : Yes the fees are listed here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-11-08 14:08:38] yerb : alrite so thats all I pay to open position and no funding fee correct?
[2016-11-08 14:09:38] BitMEX_Greg : On the trade screen, with the Place Order controls on the left hand side. You can see the "Cost: x.xxx XBT" shows you an estimate of how much margin would be allocated to that position for the given size, price and leverage that you can select in the leverage slider underneath
[2016-11-08 14:10:12] yerb : alrite
[2016-11-08 14:11:52] mjones : no funding on the xbtz16
[2016-11-08 14:12:17] BitMEX_Greg : Correct, XBTZ16 is a futures contract
[2016-11-08 14:12:40] yerb : so its basically the same as OKC futures contract
[2016-11-08 14:13:03] BitMEX_Greg : Essentially yes, it has the same expiry, however different index prices
[2016-11-08 14:13:14] sleger : different leverage, fees
[2016-11-08 14:13:22] j8 : 100 contracts here = 1 contract there
[2016-11-08 14:13:38] yerb : yeah i see that, i was waiting for this
[2016-11-08 14:13:47] yerb : thanx BitMEX team!
[2016-11-08 14:14:02] BitMEX_Greg : :+1:
[2016-11-08 14:14:15] j8 : yeah looks like it's had decent volume. more than the quanto's ever did
[2016-11-08 14:15:38] mjones : Lots of open contracts but still 1 main market market
[2016-11-08 14:16:16] yerb : yeah this one should stay for good
[2016-11-08 14:16:59] yerb : but to get all the liquidity to one market maybe perpetual swap days are being counted
[2016-11-08 14:18:04] yerb : i think the goal should be one good contract so that all the liquidity can be there
[2016-11-08 14:19:41] jonny : trump buys zerocash
[2016-11-08 14:21:23] laisee : he'd have to stop the printing presses, then, or keep buying.
[2016-11-08 14:22:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 189 @ 0.015250
[2016-11-08 14:25:44] mjones : i wonder how many people like the perp swap
[2016-11-08 14:27:46] Rado : sup punks
[2016-11-08 14:27:51] yerb : my life is complete with XBTZ16 contract, we just need more people on it
[2016-11-08 14:29:38] laisee : Rado: degen gamblerz, not punks
[2016-11-08 14:29:58] Rado : he he
[2016-11-08 14:30:18] Rado : I should open a course "How to trade futures on BitMEX"
[2016-11-08 14:30:42] Rado : might have some success
[2016-11-08 14:30:58] laisee : u firgot to add " and lose money like a noob"
[2016-11-08 14:31:04] Rado : lol
[2016-11-08 14:32:11] laisee : waiting for the election to provide some volatility, or at least levity
[2016-11-08 14:32:39] Rado : why is BTC going up?
[2016-11-08 14:32:41] aethlios : Μακε βιτμεχ γρεατ αγαιν
[2016-11-08 14:32:44] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: We are putting together a teach-in video of the sort
[2016-11-08 14:32:54] aethlios : Make bitmex great again!!
[2016-11-08 14:33:01] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: nice
[2016-11-08 14:33:11] Rado : don't make it too good
[2016-11-08 14:33:32] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-08 14:33:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 980 @ 711.28
[2016-11-08 14:33:38] NL007 : anybody bought ARK ico?
[2016-11-08 14:33:57] Rado : NL007: not buying ICOs anymore
[2016-11-08 14:34:16] Rado : until they get a real product out no reason to buy
[2016-11-08 14:34:34] jeeburns : china leading the way, bitmex $10 behind china
[2016-11-08 14:34:42] wow such volatility : BTC breaking out
[2016-11-08 14:34:43] wurstgelee : great timinh btc....the second i lieave the office....
[2016-11-08 14:34:57] wurstgelee : *typos, fu mobile
[2016-11-08 14:35:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 15010 @ 711.86
[2016-11-08 14:38:57] khessabi2 : why nobody doesn't sell his ZCASH?...sell in on 135=)) thx
[2016-11-08 14:39:15] khessabi2 : it*
[2016-11-08 14:40:43] aethlios : btc vote for trump?
[2016-11-08 14:44:06] khessabi2 : aethlios: no ,for mother teresa! :/ =))
[2016-11-08 14:46:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.015110
[2016-11-08 14:46:56] Rado : BTC it's still a good buy here
[2016-11-08 14:47:06] Rado : might start a new uptrend
[2016-11-08 14:48:20] laisee : cheep coins here? ZEC is a screaming buy.
[2016-11-08 14:48:29] aethlios : zcash a dump train.....
[2016-11-08 14:49:34] Rado : Two Topless Women Protest At Trump's Polling Station
[2016-11-08 14:49:38] Rado : laisee: not yet
[2016-11-08 14:50:13] laisee : 0.01?
[2016-11-08 14:50:46] Rado : somewhere there, also wait for some kind of development/news
[2016-11-08 14:52:09] NL007 : will hardcore trump voters expect losing an election?
[2016-11-08 14:52:57] NL007 : Trump is already declaring election is rigged
[2016-11-08 14:52:57] laisee : depends, do they read news anywhere but Fox?
[2016-11-08 14:53:48] NL007 : *accept
[2016-11-08 14:53:54] arbitrage001 : election is rigged
[2016-11-08 14:53:55] laisee : if he is so good at business, why didn't he buy the POTUS job