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[2016-11-07 04:23:58] BitMEX_Wally : This restriction only applies when leverage is Cross margin
[2016-11-07 04:24:18] BitMEX_Wally : if you switch to 100x you can do it, but you may end up catching your own liquidation :)
[2016-11-07 04:24:24] aceri : yep i reduced leverage and now the liq price seems t o be much lower and seems now i can
[2016-11-07 04:31:06] cryptowolf : btc over 1k in early 2017!? haha yeah baby! :s lol
[2016-11-07 04:31:53] cryptowolf : about to get liquidated here...no biggie lol
[2016-11-07 04:38:13] BitMEX_Wally : Arthur reckons that Trump = $1000
[2016-11-07 04:39:13] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: I'll be happy with $1000 CAD
[2016-11-07 04:39:20] aceri : when can we expect the results of the vote?
[2016-11-07 04:41:41] aceri : wow didn't know it was so close
[2016-11-07 04:41:47] micmix : early morning nov. 9
[2016-11-07 04:41:48] chromaticcr1 : BitMEX_Wally: what if we duplicate that with USDCNY=7?
[2016-11-07 04:41:59] aceri : micmix: thanks!
[2016-11-07 04:42:46] micmix : then Trump will file a lawsuit for improper vote count and it will take couple month to sort out
[2016-11-07 04:43:31] micmix : be ready for extreme market volatility everywhere
[2016-11-07 04:44:03] aceri : i will that is a good recommendation
[2016-11-07 05:11:49] mossid : How can i get historical data of bitmex trading? I could find btc index provided by kaiko and download the csv file but not bitmex itselfs data.
[2016-11-07 05:12:37] chromaticcr1 : mossid: https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#/
[2016-11-07 05:14:43] micmix : mossid: something like https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/trade?symbol=XBTUSD&startTime=2016-10-01&_format=csv
[2016-11-07 05:16:41] mossid : chromaticcr1: looks like /stats/history is what i need. Thanks.
[2016-11-07 05:18:55] mossid : micmix: i will see whats the difference betwwen /stats/history and /trade
[2016-11-07 05:30:01] BitMEX_Wally : mossid: /stats is aggregate data for all XBT, XBJ products etc and is daily
[2016-11-07 05:30:10] BitMEX_Wally : /trade is raw trades
[2016-11-07 05:35:11] mossid : BitMEX_Wally: i understand. Thank you.
[2016-11-07 05:40:58] cryptowolf : boom
[2016-11-07 05:54:35] cryptowolf : btc to the moon soon
[2016-11-07 05:54:51] Tetsuo : no
[2016-11-07 05:55:30] cryptowolf : yes
[2016-11-07 05:56:13] cryptowolf : to the moon and back, then to mars.
[2016-11-07 05:57:25] cryptowolf : ATH transactions means ATH price
[2016-11-07 05:59:03] cryptowolf : lookat last ATH transaction volume was high
[2016-11-07 06:11:35] zanza : short trump long hillary
[2016-11-07 06:13:07] jose : you can bet with bitcoin on some prediction markets, odds are 7 Hillary for 3 Trump, just sayin
[2016-11-07 06:17:51] chromaticcr1 : fairlay ;)
[2016-11-07 06:19:58] zanza : hmm, seems about right assuming there wont be a Brexit surprise
[2016-11-07 06:22:48] jose : if you put a red button with a sticker, dont press this button, you will always find someone to press it...
[2016-11-07 06:23:12] jose : So I expect the worst anytime soon xD
[2016-11-07 06:24:02] jose : Long Hillary since beginning, i fear for my beloved coins :(
[2016-11-07 06:25:12] Tetsuo : Long live Hillary!
[2016-11-07 06:25:55] Tetsuo : She gonna bring back the 2nd awakening of the alt markets!
[2016-11-07 06:26:22] jose : Short live Trump !
[2016-11-07 06:26:57] small fich : why you short Trump ?
[2016-11-07 06:27:04] jose : The is going to make shorting on all assets market great again !
[2016-11-07 06:28:44] jose : I short Trump because I dont think he will be the next President of the United States of America
[2016-11-07 06:38:17] cryptowolf : trump wins means certain rise in btc. i believe doesn't matter who will win btc will rise.
[2016-11-07 06:41:05] TraderStefan : cryptowolf: In the long run, yes, bitcoin will rise
[2016-11-07 06:41:54] cryptowolf : TraderStefan: yeah don't want to be too hasty i want more btc :)
[2016-11-07 06:44:16] TraderStefan : Yep, I could use a good btc dump first
[2016-11-07 06:44:54] cryptowolf : TraderStefan: so could my alts lol
[2016-11-07 06:46:27] cryptowolf : TraderStefan: got too exposed on the alts...learning my lesson. keep majority in btc.
[2016-11-07 06:47:11] TraderStefan : yep that's good advice, I learned that lessen in 2013, now I keep 95%+ in BTC
[2016-11-07 06:47:42] cryptowolf : TraderStefan: nice! good man! :)
[2016-11-07 06:47:58] jose : dont hold alts, just ride the pump and dumps
[2016-11-07 06:48:34] cryptowolf : jose: some alts have been very profitable for me like stratis
[2016-11-07 06:49:30] cryptowolf : jose: but you right though. limited exposure to alts is best.
[2016-11-07 06:50:05] jose : just sayin in long run bitcoin has better roi
[2016-11-07 07:43:42] zcashequalslambo : turmp means drop in btc
[2016-11-07 07:43:56] zcashequalslambo : i mean if btc was treated as gold to investors then
[2016-11-07 07:43:58] zcashequalslambo : sure
[2016-11-07 07:44:02] zcashequalslambo : it would rise
[2016-11-07 07:44:05] zcashequalslambo : but its still not
[2016-11-07 07:44:13] zcashequalslambo : its viewed ask risky asset by some
[2016-11-07 07:44:40] cryptowolf : it's getting there and in a lot of people's minds it's better
[2016-11-07 07:44:53] zcashequalslambo : yeah ultimaely it should be there
[2016-11-07 07:45:01] zcashequalslambo : but as for now i doubt so
[2016-11-07 07:45:17] cryptowolf : risky asset for people who don't check the charts
[2016-11-07 07:45:59] cryptowolf : zcashequalslambo: been over $400 this whole year no?
[2016-11-07 07:46:17] zcashequalslambo : price doesnt matter
[2016-11-07 07:46:18] zcashequalslambo : its volatile
[2016-11-07 07:46:39] zcashequalslambo : did it fall after brexit?
[2016-11-07 07:46:41] zcashequalslambo : i think so
[2016-11-07 07:46:50] cryptowolf : zcashequalslambo: british pound was more volatile
[2016-11-07 07:47:26] zcashequalslambo : british pound is junk currency for me
[2016-11-07 07:48:37] cryptowolf : all fiat is junk
[2016-11-07 07:48:50] zcashequalslambo : kinda
[2016-11-07 07:49:02] cryptowolf : more an more are going to start realizing this.
[2016-11-07 07:49:14] cryptowolf : all fiat goes to zero
[2016-11-07 07:49:35] zcashequalslambo : yeah
[2016-11-07 07:49:51] zcashequalslambo : its just blind trust
[2016-11-07 07:49:55] zcashequalslambo : nothing behind them
[2016-11-07 07:50:04] zcashequalslambo : oh wait 'strong economy'
[2016-11-07 07:50:26] zcashequalslambo : i wonder if brics will pair their new currency with somehitn
[2016-11-07 07:50:30] zcashequalslambo : maybe back up by gold
[2016-11-07 07:51:21] jung1 : hello
[2016-11-07 07:52:06] cryptowolf : "they" use this as a way to attck btc. like the drug connection to btc. btc is actually way more honest than fiat
[2016-11-07 07:52:09] jose : jung1: hello ! rapidtrades was looking for your advice early today, iirc
[2016-11-07 07:52:36] jung1 : Yesterday they made hardfork on ZCASH couse of this 20% for developers. And one week after release we have ZCASH CLASSIC https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/ https://github.com/z-classic/zclassic https://www2.coinmine.pl/zcl/index.php?page=gettingstarted
[2016-11-07 07:53:16] jung1 : rapidtrades: buy high, sell low. Stay classy
[2016-11-07 07:53:46] kradiav : jung1: already mining Zclassic
[2016-11-07 07:54:00] jung1 : funny
[2016-11-07 07:54:17] jung1 : now will be another trend in cryptocurrencies ecosystem
[2016-11-07 07:54:40] jung1 : one day after release there will be fork and adding "classic" to name
[2016-11-07 07:54:47] jung1 : easy money
[2016-11-07 07:55:53] chromaticcr1 : \\
[2016-11-07 07:56:35] jung1 : hashrate of eth drop 50% in past 10 days couse of zcash
[2016-11-07 07:59:59] Boontjie : jung1: The miners want money
[2016-11-07 08:00:05] Boontjie : Zcash gives 10x more
[2016-11-07 08:01:01] jung1 : yeah
[2016-11-07 08:01:15] jung1 : could be funny if eth price will drop to $5 couse of that
[2016-11-07 08:03:05] rapidtrades : jung1: hey pal, wb
[2016-11-07 08:03:18] micmix : time to start building ETH long
[2016-11-07 08:04:50] imabeast : eek zec just broke .4
[2016-11-07 08:04:51] imabeast : haha
[2016-11-07 08:05:13] rapidtrades : haha!
[2016-11-07 08:05:25] rapidtrades : it will be so funny when it rips ur face off shortie
[2016-11-07 08:06:37] imabeast : lol
[2016-11-07 08:07:06] kradiav : rapidtrades: you're the most usual story... going against the market and basic economics... your only salvation is if a big whale tries to pump ZEC so you can get out with less loss than you're underwater now
[2016-11-07 08:09:27] micmix : the pump will come but the price has to drop more and supply should increase much more first
[2016-11-07 08:09:38] jung1 : rapidtrades: morning
[2016-11-07 08:10:12] rapidtrades : micmix: and why is that? so u can unload ur shorts first?
[2016-11-07 08:10:26] micmix : rapidtrades: I was never short zcasg
[2016-11-07 08:10:30] micmix : *zcash
[2016-11-07 08:10:42] rapidtrades : well u were short smth
[2016-11-07 08:11:09] micmix : to make the pump more profitable pumpers have to accumulate a sizable long position
[2016-11-07 08:11:54] rapidtrades : still 2.3 mil market cap, coins coming in noone buying
[2016-11-07 08:13:12] NL007 : hi
[2016-11-07 08:13:48] rapidtrades : jung1: are u long zcash?
[2016-11-07 08:14:34] micmix : number of coins mined daily is too large compared to total supply, it's too early to pump zcash
[2016-11-07 08:16:40] jung1 : nah
[2016-11-07 08:16:58] jung1 : made some profit in first days and now waiting for floor
[2016-11-07 08:17:14] jung1 : and now that zcash classic
[2016-11-07 08:17:23] jung1 : have to think about it
[2016-11-07 08:20:48] jung1 : rapidtrades: what about you?
[2016-11-07 08:44:40] jung1 : btw its funny how its connected, There is ico of ARK and if you will buy it by LIST you will get a bonus. Lisk is +18% couse of this
[2016-11-07 08:46:30] jung1 : http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/11/06/roger-ver-considers-offering-double-block-rewards-bitcoin-miners/
[2016-11-07 08:54:39] hhh : zcash is interesting
[2016-11-07 08:55:23] hhh : now is 0.18
[2016-11-07 08:57:53] jung1 : and less than 20k supply total for now
[2016-11-07 09:24:45] jung1 : $690 comming
[2016-11-07 09:46:29] arbitrage001 : jung1: too early to pump as micmix mention earlier
[2016-11-07 10:03:20] jung1 : thats good
[2016-11-07 10:05:52] arbitrage001 : btc, on the other, looks pumped
[2016-11-07 10:06:12] arbitrage001 : whale maybe exiting and retail will hold bag as they always do
[2016-11-07 10:07:58] zanza : Hillary win = 500 BTC?
[2016-11-07 10:08:58] arbitrage001 : zanza: dont see the correlation between election and crypto market
[2016-11-07 10:13:30] jung1 : https://www.onehash.com/? 2.6btc in bank on bet of election
[2016-11-07 10:14:00] jung1 : and usually currency pump or fall after elections
[2016-11-07 10:14:12] jung1 : so if $ drop, btc will rise
[2016-11-07 10:18:37] jung1 : http://woobull.com/data-visualisation-118-coins-plotted-over-time-this-is-why-hodl-alt-coin-indexes-dont-work/
[2016-11-07 12:11:05] zcashequalslambo : If trump wins every coin goes down
[2016-11-07 12:11:28] zcashequalslambo : Not sure about hillary
[2016-11-07 12:29:49] y1uy : if trump wins
[2016-11-07 12:29:52] y1uy : usd will go down
[2016-11-07 12:31:26] laisee : if trump wins usa will go down
[2016-11-07 12:32:42] laisee : but yeah, are these the best candidates USA has to offer?
[2016-11-07 12:34:06] Tetsuo : There is still JohnMcAffee
[2016-11-07 12:34:32] Tetsuo : http://2016.presidential-candidates.org/McAfee/
[2016-11-07 12:34:37] Tetsuo : :-)
[2016-11-07 12:34:56] Tetsuo : http://www.bealibertarian.com/
[2016-11-07 12:35:02] Tetsuo : Would be good for XMR
[2016-11-07 12:35:12] Tetsuo : "PRIVACY IS THE CORNERSTONE OF HUMAN DIGNITY. THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY IS A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT AND MUST BE SECURED AND GUARDED AGAINST ALL INFRINGEMENTS."
[2016-11-07 12:39:12] zcashequalslambo : Would be good for zcash too
[2016-11-07 12:40:40] Tetsuo : He said that he won´t support clear loser coins!
[2016-11-07 12:47:03] Tetsuo : No cheap ETC available @Bitmex anymore!
[2016-11-07 12:56:22] kradiav : ZEC @ Polo pumping... ZEC @ Bitmex lies dead :( need more short entries :(
[2016-11-07 13:00:00] laisee : if only there was some way yo connect the 2 markets ... :-0
[2016-11-07 13:03:26] j8 : they are connected on dec 30, so you just need a time machine
[2016-11-07 13:43:52] arbitrage001 : j8: are you involved in zcash madness?
[2016-11-07 13:45:41] j8 : originally stopped out short at 0.25, haven't traded it since the day it launced
[2016-11-07 13:46:11] arbitrage001 : j8: i see. you are the cautious type
[2016-11-07 13:46:13] sleger : we made the same original mistake it seems
[2016-11-07 13:47:20] j8 : yeah, and i still think it will settle lower, just too much risk in such an illiquid market
[2016-11-07 13:47:52] j8 : for not much reward
[2016-11-07 13:48:00] arbitrage001 : on the short side
[2016-11-07 13:48:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6000 @ 699.07
[2016-11-07 13:48:16] arbitrage001 : for people going long, if someone pocket is dep enough
[2016-11-07 13:48:21] arbitrage001 : deep
[2016-11-07 13:48:30] arbitrage001 : can buy up as much contract here as he can
[2016-11-07 13:48:36] arbitrage001 : and then pump it on dec 30
[2016-11-07 13:48:42] arbitrage001 : on polo
[2016-11-07 13:49:01] arbitrage001 : i suspect some traders here did it on 1st day
[2016-11-07 13:50:45] rapidtrades : even jung1 the shitcoin trader doesn't approve of our ZEC investment
[2016-11-07 13:51:45] arbitrage001 : he is a contrarian indicator
[2016-11-07 13:52:23] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: holding zcash have high risk also
[2016-11-07 13:52:54] arbitrage001 : could go to 0 like every other alt coin out there
[2016-11-07 13:53:15] rapidtrades : nah too many rich ppl behind it
[2016-11-07 13:53:21] j8 : it is much easier to pump than to dump at this point
[2016-11-07 13:53:49] rapidtrades : glad ur finally seeing the light j8
[2016-11-07 13:55:07] j8 : just that the price on polo doesn't represent the broader market's view , it only takes a small amount of capital to support the bid side
[2016-11-07 13:59:11] habibi : no serious whale will acumulate it now for more than pump and dump, probably connected with some bigger mining farm just to have opportunity to dump it at higher price
[2016-11-07 14:04:33] rapidtrades : 500g gold bar, 18100 on bitstamp
[2016-11-07 14:04:56] arbitrage001 : they now offer to sell gold on bitstamp?
[2016-11-07 14:05:09] rapidtrades : https://www.bitstamp.net/article/bitstamp-adds-physical-gold-delivery/
[2016-11-07 14:05:58] arbitrage001 : does taking delivery of gold required aml check?
[2016-11-07 14:06:37] rapidtrades : prolly, i think everything does on stamp, even trading
[2016-11-07 14:11:07] rapidtrades : weird thing is 1 ounce is selling for 1153 while spot is at 1240
[2016-11-07 14:12:14] rapidtrades : not sure how that's possible but there's prolly a catch
[2016-11-07 14:13:25] rapidtrades : oh wait...that's an image that's why
[2016-11-07 14:13:31] rapidtrades : not live updated prices
[2016-11-07 14:13:33] investor : FCT will big profit very soon :)
[2016-11-07 14:16:59] j8 : much wow
[2016-11-07 14:18:40] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: That gold announcement was dated 5 Jan 2016
[2016-11-07 14:19:53] rapidtrades : yes didn't realize it's an image with old prices
[2016-11-07 14:21:08] BitMEX_Greg : Did they never get it off the ground? Seems the gold withdrawal page doesn't work
[2016-11-07 14:21:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah https://www.bitstamp.net/account/withdraw/gold/ is a 404.
[2016-11-07 14:21:50] aaseb : zec going up?
[2016-11-07 14:26:43] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: maybe because it's only available to EU customers. their partner's site seems to work https://www.moro.si/bitcoin/
[2016-11-07 15:27:36] Rado : ETH and ETC are out
[2016-11-07 15:27:47] Rado : XMR, ZEC and LISK are in
[2016-11-07 15:27:48] Rado : :-)
[2016-11-07 15:28:18] Rado : so $700 is a magnet until after the election results
[2016-11-07 15:29:14] habibi : any reasonable argument why elections results should impact bitcoin price?
[2016-11-07 15:32:43] j8 : because it affects other markets, including the currencies bitcoin is priced in
[2016-11-07 15:33:30] Rado : j8: ditto
[2016-11-07 15:35:26] habibi : so whats the connections if hillary wins?
[2016-11-07 15:36:19] arbitrage001 : habibi: consensus is market around the world will melt down if trump win
[2016-11-07 15:36:44] arbitrage001 : so bitcoin/gold will go up
[2016-11-07 15:36:46] j8 : if hillary wins life goes on as usual, except in the short term there could be a bump to stocks etc. from people exiting their risk hedges
[2016-11-07 15:36:58] lockhedge : fed will more probably raise interest rates when clinton is winning
[2016-11-07 15:37:19] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: fed will raise rate regardless who win
[2016-11-07 15:37:33] arbitrage001 : rate can not stay down or go down from here
[2016-11-07 15:37:37] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be so sure :)
[2016-11-07 15:37:54] rapidtrades : bankers are just waiting for an excuse not to raise rates
[2016-11-07 15:38:21] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: you think banker will benefit if rate go up?
[2016-11-07 15:38:40] rapidtrades : banks benefit from higher rates yes
[2016-11-07 15:38:47] arbitrage001 : i dont think so
[2016-11-07 15:39:55] j8 : pretty sure they have higher profit margins when rates are higher
[2016-11-07 15:40:13] arbitrage001 : except there are too much garbage on their balance sheet
[2016-11-07 15:41:08] arbitrage001 : every mega corporation in the west is taking advantage on the low rate
[2016-11-07 15:41:19] arbitrage001 : should rate goes up, so too is the financing cost
[2016-11-07 15:42:30] Apocalyptic : "banks benefit from higher rates yes" they absolutely do
[2016-11-07 15:42:33] arbitrage001 : carry trade being unwind is not a pretty process
[2016-11-07 15:42:41] Rado : FED can not raise rates
[2016-11-07 15:42:47] Rado : don't you get this
[2016-11-07 15:43:05] Rado : they just talk about it to make it seem like they will do any moment
[2016-11-07 15:43:11] Apocalyptic : their profit margin is inherently tied to rates
[2016-11-07 15:43:20] Rado : there is no end game plan except a collapse of the economy
[2016-11-07 15:43:36] arbitrage001 : Rado: i disagree
[2016-11-07 15:43:49] arbitrage001 : raising fed rate will cause chaos around the world first
[2016-11-07 15:43:55] Rado : arbitrage001: do you know what happens with all the debt if FE raises rates
[2016-11-07 15:44:16] arbitrage001 : 3rd world collapse, 1st world pick up asset on the cheap
[2016-11-07 15:44:38] Rado : arbitrage001: you can't separate the two
[2016-11-07 15:45:01] arbitrage001 : US just need to last longer than the rest
[2016-11-07 15:45:15] arbitrage001 : to be the winner
[2016-11-07 15:45:21] Rado : US if fucked
[2016-11-07 15:45:22] Rado : is
[2016-11-07 15:45:46] arbitrage001 : the situation in asia isnt pretty now
[2016-11-07 15:46:27] arbitrage001 : should asset price collapse in asia first
[2016-11-07 15:46:49] arbitrage001 : you will be sure to see a lot of american banker fly around to pick it up cheap
[2016-11-07 15:49:45] sleger : conclusion : buy airlines stocks, thanks arb 001
[2016-11-07 15:50:01] arbitrage001 : sleger: lol
[2016-11-07 15:50:21] arbitrage001 : sleger: airline have competition from high speed rail now
[2016-11-07 15:50:29] sleger : yes of course
[2016-11-07 15:50:37] sleger : US bankers taking the train to buy italian houses
[2016-11-07 15:50:57] sleger : cause you know, channel under the atlantic next year...
[2016-11-07 15:51:07] arbitrage001 : sleger: i see your point
[2016-11-07 15:51:22] sleger : trains dont swim ?
[2016-11-07 15:51:22] arbitrage001 : i was just thinking airline in aisa
[2016-11-07 15:55:49] lockhedge : will BitMEX still be able to process withdrawals in the case Trump nukes China (including HK)?
[2016-11-07 15:57:02] Rado : ha ha
[2016-11-07 15:57:15] aethlios : Greece is heading to a parallel currency (in electronic form only not printed) possibly 1st quarter of 2017. Get ready for btc pump.
[2016-11-07 15:57:53] Rado : aethlios: source?
[2016-11-07 15:59:18] aethlios : Tsipras appointed Papadimitriou as the new minister of finance. He is member of Levy institute (Soros related).
[2016-11-07 15:59:47] aethlios : he issued 2 papers this year about the parallel currency.
[2016-11-07 15:59:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.001445
[2016-11-07 15:59:59] aethlios : http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/greece-getting-out-of-the-recession
[2016-11-07 16:00:38] BitMEX_Sam : lockhedge: Outlook not so good
[2016-11-07 16:00:40] aethlios : many here in Greece are saying that he is appointed as minister to implement this system.
[2016-11-07 16:02:38] arbitrage001 : aethlios: greece will issue their own currency?
[2016-11-07 16:02:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2000 @ 703.42
[2016-11-07 16:02:45] lockhedge : aethlios: ... indicated that statements he made during his academic career regarding the possibility of a parallel currency for Greece were "a mistake." "There is no parallel currency for Greece and nor will they be one, at least for this government," he added. http://www.ekathimerini.com/213466/article/ekathimerini/business/new-economy-minister-papadimitriou-says-priority-is-to-draw-investments
[2016-11-07 16:04:24] aethlios : lockhedge: he just said that to calm doen people, but he issued paper 2 months ago September 2016 with this analysis. his economic research is based on that. It will be familiar with WIR swiss parallrl currency issued in 1934
[2016-11-07 16:04:50] aethlios : lockhedge: http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/greece-getting-out-of-the-recession
[2016-11-07 16:05:36] lockhedge : so it would be pegged to the Euro?
[2016-11-07 16:05:43] aethlios : arbitrage001: it will be a parallel currency, not printed, only electronic.
[2016-11-07 16:06:13] aethlios : lockhedge: yes 1:1 and everyone by law should accept it, I read now the paper.
[2016-11-07 16:07:16] aethlios : http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/complementary-currencies-and-economic-stability
[2016-11-07 16:07:17] sleger : "Get ready for btc pump." why ?
[2016-11-07 16:07:54] aethlios : second paper January 2016 about the WIR swiss currency, guero (greek parallel) will look like WIR
[2016-11-07 16:09:36] Rado : sleger: because
[2016-11-07 16:09:49] sleger : okayyyy
[2016-11-07 16:14:50] Rado : last 2-3 days the only trade that works is a quick scalp after a move
[2016-11-07 16:14:57] lockhedge : aethlios: WIR is now a regulated as a bank in Switzerland. if the "currency" you issue is 1:1 pegged how would you escape banking regulations as issuer?
[2016-11-07 16:17:08] aethlios : papadimitriou says a new central bank will be established and will issue the currency, euro will still exist as the main currency of greece.
[2016-11-07 16:17:42] arbitrage001 : aethlios: will EU stand by and watch the country issue their own currency?
[2016-11-07 16:18:06] arbitrage001 : and who is going to accept it as a form of payment
[2016-11-07 16:19:07] aethlios : arbitrage001: let me ready the paper and come back with more. ecb will accept ot because it will not be printed and will be like a note with no interest and no maturity.
[2016-11-07 16:21:56] Rado : I am moving to the first country that announces BTC as their national currency ?
[2016-11-07 16:22:55] arbitrage001 : not tied to your job and social circle wher you live?
[2016-11-07 16:23:14] habibi : Rado: https://liberland.org/en/main/ see ya
[2016-11-07 16:23:32] Rado : habibi: I have an application for citizenship with them
[2016-11-07 16:23:39] Rado : they want money
[2016-11-07 16:23:55] Rado : it's only a good idea on theory
[2016-11-07 16:24:06] Rado : arbitrage001: I am not
[2016-11-07 16:24:11] arbitrage001 : how much they want?
[2016-11-07 16:24:19] arbitrage001 : i am a lone wolf also
[2016-11-07 16:24:24] Rado : Februaty I am leaving with my family on a 6 months world trip
[2016-11-07 16:24:29] Rado : February
[2016-11-07 16:25:19] Rado : They want you to donate to their cause
[2016-11-07 16:26:07] Rado : Estonia has a e-citizenship program
[2016-11-07 16:26:30] Rado : https://e-estonia.com/e-residents/about/
[2016-11-07 16:26:35] arbitrage001 : Rado: what do they want?
[2016-11-07 16:26:43] arbitrage001 : and what benefit do one get?
[2016-11-07 16:26:53] Rado : arbitrage001: Liberland?
[2016-11-07 16:26:58] arbitrage001 : estonia
[2016-11-07 16:27:02] Rado : oh
[2016-11-07 16:27:17] Rado : They make it easy for people to have an alternative
[2016-11-07 16:27:29] Rado : you will do business there and they make money out of that
[2016-11-07 16:27:46] Rado : you can open bank accounts and companies
[2016-11-07 16:27:47] Rado : etc
[2016-11-07 16:28:00] Rado : read about it
[2016-11-07 16:29:04] Rado : e-Residency offers to every world citizen a government-issued digital identity and the opportunity to run a trusted company online, unleashing the world’s entrepreneurial potential.
[2016-11-07 16:29:08] arbitrage001 : Rado: sound too good to be true
[2016-11-07 16:29:16] arbitrage001 : every bitcoin trader will join
[2016-11-07 16:29:25] Rado : it's not that big of a deal
[2016-11-07 16:29:31] Rado : a lot of people have joined
[2016-11-07 16:29:51] Rado : it doesn't really replace your current citizenship
[2016-11-07 16:30:13] arbitrage001 : it doesnt state the requirement
[2016-11-07 16:30:45] arbitrage001 : the page implies once you join, you will be treated as an european
[2016-11-07 16:31:04] arbitrage001 : raise my class status
[2016-11-07 16:31:25] lockhedge : arbitrage001: "e-Residency does not confer citizenship, tax residency, residence or right of entry to Estonia or to the European Union."
[2016-11-07 16:32:04] Rado : yep
[2016-11-07 16:32:13] Rado : it's more about doing business
[2016-11-07 16:34:33] lockhedge : on the other hand if you have a company there you'll very likely get a business visa
[2016-11-07 16:35:40] arbitrage001 : how would one take advantage of e-resident?
[2016-11-07 16:37:21] Tetsuo : My fellow estonians! Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.
[2016-11-07 16:39:20] mjones : How come i am getting 429 error on my computer for this site?
[2016-11-07 16:39:40] sleger : errorS
[2016-11-07 16:40:16] mjones : Works now
[2016-11-07 16:40:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 212 @ 704.02
[2016-11-07 16:40:46] mjones : One more dump btc!
[2016-11-07 16:40:57] rapidtrades : bis visas usually require large investment plus u have to employ ppl locally
[2016-11-07 16:41:49] rapidtrades : you can't get it by forming a company
[2016-11-07 16:43:12] lockhedge : yeah, i guess not everybody who forms a company for 30 GBP in the UK will get a visa automatically
[2016-11-07 16:43:34] rapidtrades : paying a hoe to marry u is prolly cheapest
[2016-11-07 16:43:53] Tetsuo : true
[2016-11-07 16:43:59] rapidtrades : but exposes ur money in case of a 'divorce'
[2016-11-07 16:45:06] rapidtrades : that is if we're talking about getting permanent resident status
[2016-11-07 16:45:08] Tetsuo : that´s where u need smart contracts like ETC
[2016-11-07 16:45:49] habibi : so far best usability of smart contracts is speculation
[2016-11-07 16:45:54] Tetsuo : "in case of divorce 5 DOGE will be given to miss hoe"
[2016-11-07 16:47:01] sleger : has 0kcoin announced ETC trading yet ?
[2016-11-07 16:47:08] Tetsuo : sleger: soon
[2016-11-07 16:47:17] rapidtrades : no? did they suggest they will do it?
[2016-11-07 16:47:29] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: according to bloomberg, yes
[2016-11-07 16:47:32] sleger : all china is buying ETC
[2016-11-07 16:47:53] rapidtrades : if 'all china is buying etc' why are prices at 1385
[2016-11-07 16:48:03] rapidtrades : it was 1330 pre-tweet
[2016-11-07 16:48:05] habibi : sleger: they won't probally follow btcc but in case they will, u should sell eth
[2016-11-07 16:48:11] rapidtrades : sry 1315
[2016-11-07 16:48:13] sleger : bitmex introduced a cap thats why @rapidtrades
[2016-11-07 16:48:22] rapidtrades : makes sense
[2016-11-07 16:48:23] Tetsuo : true
[2016-11-07 16:48:53] Tetsuo : fukkin cappers should let that coin fly
[2016-11-07 16:53:55] Rado : As I said ETH and ETC are out
[2016-11-07 16:54:07] Rado : focus on better coins
[2016-11-07 16:55:34] arbitrage001 : Rado: which coin
[2016-11-07 16:55:46] Rado : BTC lol
[2016-11-07 16:56:05] Rado : kidding aside XMR and ZEC are now in focus
[2016-11-07 16:56:19] Rado : I also like LISK long term if they execute however
[2016-11-07 16:56:24] arbitrage001 : Rado: zec and xmr still dropping everyday
[2016-11-07 16:56:32] Rado : LISK will either flop or be a 10x at some point
[2016-11-07 16:56:38] arbitrage001 : what is lisk selling point?
[2016-11-07 16:56:56] Rado : apps marketplace, side chains
[2016-11-07 16:57:30] arbitrage001 : which mean what to non-tech?
[2016-11-07 16:57:58] Rado : you can create an application on the blockchain and have your own token
[2016-11-07 16:58:08] Rado : there will be delegates that secure your token
[2016-11-07 16:58:20] Rado : you will use the main chain just for user registrations etc
[2016-11-07 16:58:31] Rado : then you can do everything else with your own token
[2016-11-07 16:58:48] Rado : lets say I build a Twitter on the blockchain on top of LISK
[2016-11-07 16:59:21] Rado : I can issue my BTWT coin and pay people that post part of the advertising revenue
[2016-11-07 16:59:55] arbitrage001 : sound too complicated
[2016-11-07 17:00:04] arbitrage001 : who is the intended audience?
[2016-11-07 17:00:10] Rado : it is, but also can change the Internet as we know it
[2016-11-07 17:00:46] Rado : the whole point of the blockchain is to break corporate grip on everything
[2016-11-07 17:01:09] sleger : Rado: Bitmex put a cap on List at zero
[2016-11-07 17:01:19] sleger : They DeList-ed it
[2016-11-07 17:01:21] Rado : sleger: they did ;-)
[2016-11-07 17:01:37] Rado : one they people will be begging them to add it
[2016-11-07 17:01:44] arbitrage001 : market not buying it
[2016-11-07 17:02:10] Rado : arbitrage001: no, because they are slow developing the software
[2016-11-07 17:02:19] Rado : but they have $15 mill
[2016-11-07 17:02:27] Rado : and haven't spent anything yet
[2016-11-07 17:02:44] Rado : they announced that rewards for miners are starting by the end of the year
[2016-11-07 17:02:47] arbitrage001 : shouldnt issue a half baked project
[2016-11-07 17:03:49] Rado : arbitrage001: no shit
[2016-11-07 17:03:57] Rado : all of them are like that
[2016-11-07 17:04:05] Rado : the new coins are even worse
[2016-11-07 17:04:15] Rado : they start just with an idea and a home page
[2016-11-07 17:04:17] Rado : then ICO
[2016-11-07 17:04:19] Rado : then develop
[2016-11-07 17:04:28] arbitrage001 : eth did it the best
[2016-11-07 17:04:35] Rado : yes
[2016-11-07 17:04:41] arbitrage001 : have no idea why so many people buy into it
[2016-11-07 17:05:05] arbitrage001 : wish i did
[2016-11-07 17:05:13] arbitrage001 : 1000x return is nice
[2016-11-07 17:05:16] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-11-07 17:06:30] Rado : http://www.coindesk.com/icos-appcoins-blockchain-vcs-view/
[2016-11-07 17:06:48] Rado : In this opinion piece, Scher gives his personal view of the lately popular ICOs and appcoins, and offers a warning for potential investors.
[2016-11-07 17:13:27] Rado : hey guys, would you be interested in a website/application that combines all of your exchanges in one place and allows you to view your orders/balances as well as place orders?
[2016-11-07 17:13:58] arbitrage001 : Rado: would be bad security wise, wouldnt it?
[2016-11-07 17:14:08] Rado : not really
[2016-11-07 17:14:29] Rado : it will only accept API keys that don't have withdrwal power
[2016-11-07 17:15:00] arbitrage001 : can get money off by trading large spread product
[2016-11-07 17:20:46] Rado : XMR keeps pushing since yesterday
[2016-11-07 17:20:59] Tetsuo : fly XMR fly
[2016-11-07 17:21:01] wurstgelee : yep. longed some
[2016-11-07 17:21:18] Rado : should have bought .0075 on the pullback
[2016-11-07 17:21:25] arbitrage001 : dark market is backing xmr again?
[2016-11-07 17:21:38] arbitrage001 : or you guys just gambling
[2016-11-07 17:21:47] wurstgelee : nope, polo making new highs
[2016-11-07 17:21:53] wurstgelee : thats why i bought
[2016-11-07 17:21:59] wurstgelee : no other reason
[2016-11-07 17:22:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 290 @ 0.007997
[2016-11-07 17:22:02] wurstgelee : 0.008
[2016-11-07 17:22:03] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-07 17:22:09] arbitrage001 : that was quick
[2016-11-07 17:22:15] wurstgelee : indeed
[2016-11-07 17:22:34] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-11-07 17:22:40] mjones : Xmr big Buys
[2016-11-07 17:22:44] Tetsuo : market listens to bitmex trollbox
[2016-11-07 17:22:47] wurstgelee : longed 3 moins earlier
[2016-11-07 17:22:52] wurstgelee : great timing
[2016-11-07 17:22:54] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-07 17:22:56] wurstgelee : mins
[2016-11-07 17:23:04] Rado : wurstgelee: cool
[2016-11-07 17:23:05] arbitrage001 : market here slower than polo?
[2016-11-07 17:23:11] Rado : maybe you should sell
[2016-11-07 17:23:12] Rado : lol
[2016-11-07 17:23:16] wurstgelee : hhe
[2016-11-07 17:23:32] wurstgelee : id like to see some good polo fomo to the mid 80s
[2016-11-07 17:23:38] wurstgelee : 814
[2016-11-07 17:23:39] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-07 17:23:48] arbitrage001 : exit is 850?
[2016-11-07 17:23:54] wurstgelee : not sure
[2016-11-07 17:23:55] arbitrage001 : almost there already
[2016-11-07 17:24:02] wurstgelee : watching
[2016-11-07 17:24:24] Tetsuo : exit=cap as always, easy money
[2016-11-07 17:25:43] wurstgelee : hm..that spike was some serious volume
[2016-11-07 17:25:51] wurstgelee : i think ill hold a while and see what happens
[2016-11-07 17:27:13] Rado : wurstgelee: that's only a good strategy if you have a stop
[2016-11-07 17:27:20] wurstgelee : Rado: ofc
[2016-11-07 17:27:22] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-07 17:27:42] Rado : ;-)
[2016-11-07 17:27:54] arbitrage001 : going down is quick also
[2016-11-07 17:28:20] wurstgelee : thats the type of spike that has a good chance to ignite typical polo fomo
[2016-11-07 17:28:29] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: +1
[2016-11-07 17:29:33] wurstgelee : also higher timeframe charts dont really shout "sell" at me... ;)
[2016-11-07 17:33:15] mjones : Xmr double top going back to the 30th
[2016-11-07 17:33:30] mjones : About ready to break it
[2016-11-07 17:33:55] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-11-07 17:34:21] wurstgelee : *polo fomo ensues*
[2016-11-07 17:34:39] arbitrage001 : how far will it go
[2016-11-07 17:34:46] arbitrage001 : 0.01?
[2016-11-07 17:36:30] wurstgelee : no clue
[2016-11-07 17:36:40] wurstgelee : popcorn mode. watching ;)
[2016-11-07 17:36:46] arbitrage001 : what is your exit strategy
[2016-11-07 17:37:02] wurstgelee : sell?
[2016-11-07 17:37:05] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-07 17:37:15] arbitrage001 : yea
[2016-11-07 17:37:24] wurstgelee : well, its sell. :p
[2016-11-07 17:37:31] arbitrage001 : obviously, you need to sell at some point
[2016-11-07 17:37:39] Tetsuo : at the top?
[2016-11-07 17:37:55] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: you have 20/20 hindsight?
[2016-11-07 17:38:03] wurstgelee : sell decisions are usually spontaneous tbh
[2016-11-07 17:38:13] aethlios : someone here had mentioned xmr bottom.....
[2016-11-07 17:38:14] Tetsuo : 95 would look fine too me
[2016-11-07 17:38:17] wurstgelee : unless i have no internet access
[2016-11-07 17:38:30] wurstgelee : then i set sells where i think average polo fomo might go ;)
[2016-11-07 17:43:29] QuantFocus : classic H&S on btc?
[2016-11-07 17:43:50] Tetsuo : whis?
[2016-11-07 17:44:46] Tetsuo : 1m charts?
[2016-11-07 17:47:02] QuantFocus : 1d
[2016-11-07 17:47:48] Tetsuo : can´t identify one
[2016-11-07 17:52:50] mjones : Rep on polo huge buy wall
[2016-11-07 17:58:37] RoftheN : Why is XMR up?
[2016-11-07 18:01:30] dasdfasdf : it went down too much
[2016-11-07 18:08:12] wurstgelee : RoftheN: bitmex trollbox said so
[2016-11-07 18:08:28] RoftheN : I hate XMR
[2016-11-07 18:08:45] RoftheN : It will probably go down when ZEC pumps
[2016-11-07 18:08:49] Tetsuo : RoftheN: do u hate money?
[2016-11-07 18:08:54] arbitrage001 : RoftheN: you were long when it went up and short when it went up?
[2016-11-07 18:09:03] RoftheN : Not all k
[2016-11-07 18:09:14] RoftheN : I was short when it went up
[2016-11-07 18:09:17] RoftheN : often
[2016-11-07 18:09:32] RoftheN : The amazing pump th
[2016-11-07 18:09:33] arbitrage001 : shorting alt always dangerous
[2016-11-07 18:09:34] RoftheN : I was shorting it
[2016-11-07 18:09:40] RoftheN : Learned my lesson
[2016-11-07 18:09:43] Tetsuo : this time go long
[2016-11-07 18:09:49] arbitrage001 : whale make money off retail trader
[2016-11-07 18:09:49] RoftheN : Now I won't use signicant amounts doing that
[2016-11-07 18:09:56] Tetsuo : do it
[2016-11-07 18:10:30] RoftheN : They should have waited with removing LISK for like a week, this one was so obvious
[2016-11-07 18:11:40] arbitrage001 : not many were trading it, so it wasnt obvious
[2016-11-07 18:13:02] Tetsuo : also new ATL FOR 1w RSI LTC/BTC, @RoftheN so u should start buyin now!
[2016-11-07 18:13:28] Tetsuo : before it get´s delisted
[2016-11-07 18:13:31] Tetsuo : :-(
[2016-11-07 18:13:39] RoftheN : Oh okay
[2016-11-07 18:13:46] RoftheN : What's RSI?
[2016-11-07 18:14:19] arbitrage001 : RoftheN: what do you based your trading decision on?
[2016-11-07 18:15:35] Tetsuo : trollbox, ponzi newsletters just the usual stuff i guess
[2016-11-07 18:16:05] RoftheN : on stupidity, why?
[2016-11-07 18:16:34] RoftheN : What should I base it on?
[2016-11-07 18:16:52] Tetsuo : black witchery
[2016-11-07 18:17:29] arbitrage001 : RoftheN: you are gambling blindly?
[2016-11-07 18:17:46] RoftheN : Oh I wouldn't call it gambling, with gambling you have like a 49% chance you win
[2016-11-07 18:17:51] RoftheN : I suck so much my chances of winning are like 20%
[2016-11-07 18:18:08] RoftheN : And I rationalize it all with saying I 'm learning from my mistakes and one day might become better
[2016-11-07 18:18:08] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-11-07 18:18:13] arbitrage001 : a casino gives you better odd