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[2016-11-05 17:58:00] rapidtrades : like how much below
[2016-11-05 17:58:06] martinium : sold at the lows when price was 714 it liquidated to like 705
[2016-11-05 17:58:17] martinium : way below
[2016-11-05 17:58:22] rapidtrades : yeah that's a bit high
[2016-11-05 17:58:26] martinium : I was surprised it did that much
[2016-11-05 17:58:43] rapidtrades : i think they liq-ed u at mark price while here we were at premium?
[2016-11-05 17:59:30] martinium : market price was 714
[2016-11-05 17:59:42] martinium : it hit 717.49 just under my liquidation price
[2016-11-05 17:59:47] martinium : instantly vanished
[2016-11-05 17:59:49] habibi : martinium that liq was today?
[2016-11-05 17:59:55] martinium : account says sold at 705
[2016-11-05 18:00:15] martinium : habibi: no that was on like thursday
[2016-11-05 18:00:38] habibi : around 250-300k contracts?
[2016-11-05 18:01:09] martinium : 290k
[2016-11-05 18:01:30] martinium : I was in a meeting
[2016-11-05 18:01:36] martinium : couldn't get to terminal in time
[2016-11-05 18:01:38] martinium : was like fuck
[2016-11-05 18:01:50] martinium : missed chance to just market sell
[2016-11-05 18:02:11] habibi : martinium: i think i bought ur liq, thx for that http://prntscr.com/d3h75t
[2016-11-05 18:02:47] martinium : maybe
[2016-11-05 18:02:50] martinium : but no way to be sure
[2016-11-05 18:02:57] martinium : there was a sea of liq that day
[2016-11-05 18:03:20] martinium : wish you would have but they gave me a 705 price way below my liq price
[2016-11-05 18:04:34] martinium : 705.62 to be exact
[2016-11-05 18:05:17] martinium : 15:31 pm UTC time
[2016-11-05 18:05:40] habibi : martinium: yep, i bought it
[2016-11-05 18:05:59] martinium : maybe just a part
[2016-11-05 18:06:00] rapidtrades : lol brutal
[2016-11-05 18:06:07] martinium : cuz it says fill at 705.62
[2016-11-05 18:06:09] rapidtrades : meet ur executioner
[2016-11-05 18:06:14] martinium : your says 713
[2016-11-05 18:06:27] habibi : martinium: yep, my is right,
[2016-11-05 18:06:38] sleger : you gave your money to habibi, ouch cant get worse than that
[2016-11-05 18:06:48] martinium : lol
[2016-11-05 18:06:49] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-11-05 18:06:51] martinium : its whatever
[2016-11-05 18:07:21] martinium : always someone on other side of a persons trade
[2016-11-05 18:07:34] rapidtrades : don't liquidations take around 0.75% extra? he paid 1.2
[2016-11-05 18:07:46] habibi : but when its sleger, u can be sure money will be used to buy eth, in my case it will be used for some random things
[2016-11-05 18:07:50] rapidtrades : 0.5% plus funding
[2016-11-05 18:08:37] martinium : my liq price was 717.62
[2016-11-05 18:08:44] martinium : filled liq at 705.62
[2016-11-05 18:08:49] martinium : massive difference
[2016-11-05 18:09:06] martinium : market was in the $714 range at the time
[2016-11-05 18:09:37] rapidtrades : so how much of that 16 btc was lost due to the price gap
[2016-11-05 18:11:43] martinium : more than 4.31 btc
[2016-11-05 18:11:47] martinium : due to that price gap
[2016-11-05 18:12:25] rapidtrades : ok so 7.7 btc without the gap
[2016-11-05 18:12:38] numero : I learn a lot from you guys, I admire you all
[2016-11-05 18:13:16] habibi : numero: no problemos, u pay for that lessons while trading against us
[2016-11-05 18:13:16] rapidtrades : in order to justify that size u would need a 100k risk capital minimum...do u have that? @martinium
[2016-11-05 18:13:34] rapidtrades : that's if u risk 5% per trade, which is very aggressive
[2016-11-05 18:13:45] martinium : I was way overrisked
[2016-11-05 18:13:56] martinium : I made a mistake hadn't made for years
[2016-11-05 18:14:06] martinium : expecting drop to stop at 680 and be dond
[2016-11-05 18:14:10] martinium : done*
[2016-11-05 18:14:13] martinium : wasnt the case
[2016-11-05 18:14:24] martinium : bought back on rise to 727 before mega dump
[2016-11-05 18:14:34] martinium : held too long when all signs said to sell
[2016-11-05 18:14:34] rapidtrades : right so size was the problem not the liquidation
[2016-11-05 18:14:47] rapidtrades : cos u still would've lost over 5k
[2016-11-05 18:14:49] martinium : yeah also liquidation price
[2016-11-05 18:15:01] martinium : yea was still going to be a big loss regardless
[2016-11-05 18:19:25] BitMEX_Wally : extrabit: execInst is case sensitive
[2016-11-05 19:22:11] RoftheN : So ehh question, why, now that ZEC isn't really futures anymore (is it?) is the price so much lower than on Polo
[2016-11-05 19:25:26] BitMEX_Wally : ZECZ16 will settle on the future price of ZEC on 30 December 2016. It's a futures contract
[2016-11-05 19:26:34] rapidtrades : RoftheN: if u ask me, the cap and the mark to last helped shorts here
[2016-11-05 19:26:50] rapidtrades : it gave them a limited risk during a very volatile time for ZEC
[2016-11-05 19:27:25] rapidtrades : so the market is a bit slated now by shorts who made a lot of money during that period and they're keeping pressure on price
[2016-11-05 19:28:42] RoftheN : Okay but then what did the change change?
[2016-11-05 19:29:22] BitMEX_Greg : RoftheN: what change are you referring to?
[2016-11-05 19:29:43] rapidtrades : cap is removed and it's now slightly harder for shorts to push down price cos margin isn't marked to last @RoftheN
[2016-11-05 19:29:45] RoftheN : "Important Changes to Zcash Futures Fair Price Marking"
[2016-11-05 19:30:04] RoftheN : So what's meant with ''market to last''
[2016-11-05 19:30:13] RoftheN : marked
[2016-11-05 19:31:23] RoftheN : Nvm I foujnd the page that explains it
[2016-11-05 19:32:30] BitMEX_Greg : np
[2016-11-05 20:20:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3000 @ 702.03
[2016-11-05 20:23:50] javierstone : i smell some liquidations coming
[2016-11-05 21:23:06] mjones : orly
[2016-11-05 21:23:29] mjones : i'm ready to fomo that direction
[2016-11-05 21:28:10] asdfman : 100x long with 0.25
[2016-11-05 21:28:14] asdfman : I'm ready
[2016-11-05 21:53:56] QuantFocus : asdfman: gonna get rekt
[2016-11-05 21:54:31] QuantFocus : i think best case is a quick pump to 720 before we dump
[2016-11-05 22:04:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 420 @ 702.62
[2016-11-05 22:07:52] mjones : btc tried pumping. not time yet
[2016-11-05 22:08:17] mjones : sometime in the next 12 hours most likely
[2016-11-06 00:12:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 13 @ 0.007308
[2016-11-06 00:49:13] AudibleScience : are you here Sam?
[2016-11-06 00:59:36] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Greg: can you let Sam know there is a weird ~5 pixel difference when hovering over " overflown overflown-left nav nav-tabs" when the browser is set to 75% zoom. It's no big deal at all and he probably already knows about it.
[2016-11-06 01:00:28] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: I'll take a look, thanks
[2016-11-06 01:01:23] AudibleScience : cool
[2016-11-06 01:38:37] wurstgelee : i disagree
[2016-11-06 01:38:46] wurstgelee : with everything
[2016-11-06 01:42:02] AudibleScience : wurstgelee: with everything, really? must be hard! lol
[2016-11-06 01:46:53] rapidtrades : so when laptops state X hrs in specs....is that idle time?
[2016-11-06 01:49:19] rapidtrades : there's def some creative marketing in this area
[2016-11-06 01:56:57] wurstgelee : AudibleScience: its easy tbh
[2016-11-06 01:57:38] wurstgelee : hm.
[2016-11-06 01:57:45] wurstgelee : seems like i longed
[2016-11-06 01:57:50] wurstgelee : wtf
[2016-11-06 02:01:42] wurstgelee : quiet evening obviouslx, can still read msgs from 8 hours earlier
[2016-11-06 02:01:44] wurstgelee : *y
[2016-11-06 02:20:29] drag : zec buy now
[2016-11-06 02:31:14] Formiga : Can I set alarms on here for price?
[2016-11-06 02:31:34] Squall : Can anyone answer me a question?
[2016-11-06 02:32:20] Squall : about the cross margin
[2016-11-06 02:33:27] squall_ : HI all
[2016-11-06 02:33:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 703.44 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-06 02:35:26] QuantFocus : Squall: it uses all available funds
[2016-11-06 02:37:50] Squall : Okay, so how do you close?
[2016-11-06 02:38:07] QuantFocus : Squall: close a position?
[2016-11-06 02:38:20] Squall : Yes, the margin uses all the funds that you've purchased?
[2016-11-06 02:38:25] QuantFocus : buy/sell the opposite of what you currently have open
[2016-11-06 02:38:30] Squall : it doesn't look like it reflects that in the P/l
[2016-11-06 02:38:53] QuantFocus : Squall: the margin uses all funds available in your wallet if you use cross. alternatively you can set a leverage amount with the slider
[2016-11-06 02:39:18] QuantFocus : leverage limits will potentially reduce the amount of funds at risk, assuming you have greater balance than your leverage utilization
[2016-11-06 02:39:44] QuantFocus : but will also increase/decrease your liquidation price - depending on long/short
[2016-11-06 02:39:57] Squall : sure. i understand that.
[2016-11-06 02:40:07] QuantFocus : Squall: unrealized pnl is based on mark price, not market
[2016-11-06 02:40:16] Squall : do you need a higher balance to open a higher cross margin position?
[2016-11-06 02:40:27] QuantFocus : no
[2016-11-06 02:40:37] QuantFocus : just think of that slider as a multiplier
[2016-11-06 02:40:39] Squall : in other words say i buy 1000 contract, do i need 2000 to open a 50x margin?
[2016-11-06 02:40:50] QuantFocus : you can either use all funds in your wallet, or you can use 5x/10x/20x etc
[2016-11-06 02:40:54] QuantFocus : based on position size
[2016-11-06 02:41:15] QuantFocus : 50x in most cases requires 2% of notional
[2016-11-06 02:41:34] QuantFocus : so you would need 20(xxx)
[2016-11-06 02:42:40] QuantFocus : that slider is how much of your capital you want to pledge for collateral
[2016-11-06 02:43:23] Squall : It doesn't work the same way that a margin position on poloniex works then?
[2016-11-06 02:43:33] Squall : I'm sorry i'm not understanding yet, pretty green to this place.
[2016-11-06 02:44:07] rapidtrades : try it with 1 contract on swap to see how fast u get rekt
[2016-11-06 02:44:22] rapidtrades : or for free on the testnet
[2016-11-06 02:44:59] Squall : so if i open 100 contracts on 50x i need 2 extra to open the position?
[2016-11-06 02:45:10] QuantFocus : Squall: same concept, but on polo you transfer funds to your margin wallet and it assumes you pledge the entire amount
[2016-11-06 02:47:07] QuantFocus : Squall: well, no
[2016-11-06 02:47:22] QuantFocus : you just need 2% of the notional amount
[2016-11-06 02:47:48] QuantFocus : but like @rapidtrades said, if you use max leverage like that you're probably gonna have a bad time
[2016-11-06 02:47:55] Squall : sure.
[2016-11-06 02:48:10] Squall : you can change the cross at any time though?
[2016-11-06 02:48:20] CrazyEarner : having problms depositing when trying t odeposit says inviled BTC address sending to any idea why when its right one
[2016-11-06 02:48:27] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: the vallley and bump assumption was pretty accurate.
[2016-11-06 02:48:35] wurstgelee : we're back on slope tho ;)
[2016-11-06 02:48:43] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: i still think it's down
[2016-11-06 02:48:52] QuantFocus : i'm really surprised we're at 2 days now of relatively stable
[2016-11-06 02:49:24] wurstgelee : i dumped below .7 now tho
[2016-11-06 02:49:27] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-06 02:49:28] wurstgelee : *it
[2016-11-06 02:49:31] wurstgelee : not me
[2016-11-06 02:49:43] QuantFocus : oh, on zec?
[2016-11-06 02:49:46] QuantFocus : i thought we were talking xbt
[2016-11-06 02:49:53] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-06 02:50:07] wurstgelee : i obviously longed btc
[2016-11-06 02:50:13] wurstgelee : for some reason i cant recall
[2016-11-06 02:50:21] wurstgelee : kinda surprised when i reutrned home
[2016-11-06 02:50:22] QuantFocus : seems to me most action on btc is right at the UTC midnight chart change
[2016-11-06 02:50:51] QuantFocus : but both days now it's just hovering
[2016-11-06 02:50:57] wurstgelee : i had some brain-resetting drinks tho
[2016-11-06 02:51:16] QuantFocus : haha, nice
[2016-11-06 02:51:42] QuantFocus : technicals look bad to me.
[2016-11-06 02:51:48] wurstgelee : was fun but already in recovery mode
[2016-11-06 02:51:50] QuantFocus : at least on the daily
[2016-11-06 02:52:11] wurstgelee : that transaltes to stay the fuck awakre for another hour so hangover wont be that bad
[2016-11-06 02:52:20] wurstgelee : *translates also
[2016-11-06 02:52:24] QuantFocus : or have another
[2016-11-06 02:52:30] QuantFocus : bloody mary....mmmm
[2016-11-06 02:52:36] wurstgelee : i am resorting to both tbh
[2016-11-06 02:52:38] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-06 02:54:06] QuantFocus : :thumbsup:
[2016-11-06 02:55:06] IamLegend : Hi am new
[2016-11-06 02:55:42] wurstgelee : i am old
[2016-11-06 02:56:02] QuantFocus : i'm in the middle
[2016-11-06 02:56:05] IamLegend : lol
[2016-11-06 02:56:12] wurstgelee : i dont like sandwiches
[2016-11-06 03:02:13] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: no need to discriminate
[2016-11-06 03:02:45] wurstgelee : discrimate? sandwiches?
[2016-11-06 03:03:03] Squall : QuantFocus: thank you for your explanations, so just one more question, to close an open long you sell your contract on the place order? that wont initiate short?
[2016-11-06 03:03:08] CrazyEarner : yeah its sandwich discrimination lmfao
[2016-11-06 03:03:18] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-06 03:03:26] CrazyEarner : what the sandwiches ever do to you :P
[2016-11-06 03:03:32] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: :smile:
[2016-11-06 03:03:45] QuantFocus : Squall: correct
[2016-11-06 03:03:57] Squall : Okay great.
[2016-11-06 03:04:04] CrazyEarner : I bet he made a sandwich and one the pices of butter bred dropped and landed butter side down lmfao
[2016-11-06 03:04:17] QuantFocus : Squall: if you have a limit price you want to use. alternatively you can use the "close position" section under your open positions
[2016-11-06 03:04:20] wurstgelee : Squall: Just buy a sandwich. All turns out great then.
[2016-11-06 03:04:27] wurstgelee : Apparently sandwich is the new savior
[2016-11-06 03:04:35] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-06 03:04:52] wurstgelee : US should elect a sandwich
[2016-11-06 03:05:25] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: it'd be better than the other two options
[2016-11-06 03:05:37] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-11-06 03:05:41] Squall : i say skeletor
[2016-11-06 03:06:09] wurstgelee : where's greyskull then?
[2016-11-06 03:06:32] wurstgelee : and doe that make putin he-man?
[2016-11-06 03:06:35] wurstgelee : *s
[2016-11-06 03:07:03] laisee : elect Putin, he'd do the job ok
[2016-11-06 03:08:18] wurstgelee : same as a sandwich
[2016-11-06 03:09:19] QuantFocus : great, now i'm hungry
[2016-11-06 03:09:26] Squall : QuantFocus: the reason I had so many questions is that my open position unrealized profit doesn't have anything listed, is this because it's separate from the cross margin?
[2016-11-06 03:09:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 30 @ 704.03
[2016-11-06 03:09:52] QuantFocus : Squall: cross margin/margin has nothing to do with your pnl
[2016-11-06 03:10:25] QuantFocus : that would be displayed in your ROE, which still really has nothing to do with pnl
[2016-11-06 03:10:34] QuantFocus : look at your entry price vs. mark price
[2016-11-06 03:10:46] QuantFocus : both are listed on your open positions tab
[2016-11-06 03:11:25] Squall : Okay, why is mark price lower than current market sell price?
[2016-11-06 03:11:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2600 @ 704.40
[2016-11-06 03:11:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 25 @ 735.53
[2016-11-06 03:13:48] Squall : PNL is different than your actual earnings if you sell at a cross margin correct? I feel like such a nub still lol. :(
[2016-11-06 03:14:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 19044 @ 0.001451
[2016-11-06 03:16:18] Squall : ill be on testnet lol
[2016-11-06 03:16:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.001442
[2016-11-06 03:18:06] wurstgelee : wb btc
[2016-11-06 03:18:07] QuantFocus : Squall: mark is based on indexes other than bitmex
[2016-11-06 03:18:21] QuantFocus : you can read about the contract details in the references/contracts section
[2016-11-06 03:18:27] QuantFocus : little rally
[2016-11-06 03:20:13] Squall : thx for all the help :)
[2016-11-06 03:20:26] rapidtrades : what's with the 4am rallies
[2016-11-06 03:20:36] rapidtrades : gayass coin
[2016-11-06 03:20:37] Squall : china
[2016-11-06 03:20:58] rapidtrades : its a Sunday china, take a break
[2016-11-06 03:24:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 45 @ 0.015500
[2016-11-06 03:26:28] rapidtrades : 66 cents for the One True Coin
[2016-11-06 03:26:36] rapidtrades : what a travesty
[2016-11-06 03:26:58] bernx : dat fomo
[2016-11-06 03:27:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1627 @ 708.87
[2016-11-06 03:29:39] rapidtrades : what's the logic behind buying 14995 and not 15000
[2016-11-06 03:29:55] rapidtrades : he did that 3 times in past 5 mins
[2016-11-06 03:30:08] rapidtrades : keeps leaving 5 on
[2016-11-06 03:31:13] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100995 @ 710.13 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-11-06 03:31:13] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 140000 @ 709.74 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-11-06 03:31:47] chromaticcr1 : oh my!
[2016-11-06 03:31:53] wurstgelee : btc seems serious
[2016-11-06 03:32:10] rapidtrades : just a 200k liq
[2016-11-06 03:32:22] wurstgelee : fck liquidations
[2016-11-06 03:32:28] wurstgelee : gimme adl
[2016-11-06 03:32:29] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-06 03:33:03] chromaticcr1 : 719
[2016-11-06 03:33:07] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-06 03:33:12] chromaticcr1 : thanks adl fund
[2016-11-06 03:33:25] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-11-06 03:33:29] rapidtrades : was that adl?
[2016-11-06 03:33:40] wurstgelee : dunno
[2016-11-06 03:33:41] hhhhh : buying that ferrari tomorrow
[2016-11-06 03:33:46] chromaticcr1 : yes, the liq order is gone now
[2016-11-06 03:33:55] wurstgelee : hhhhh: i already bought order all, none left
[2016-11-06 03:34:01] wurstgelee : *.bought
[2016-11-06 03:35:50] rapidtrades : this fomo should make for a nice funding payment in 16 hrs
[2016-11-06 03:36:20] rapidtrades : last few days have been stingy
[2016-11-06 03:37:08] wurstgelee : idc tho, closed my long @ 715
[2016-11-06 03:37:17] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-06 03:43:49] Formiga : Any how I can set price alarms here?
[2016-11-06 03:49:39] wurstgelee : alarms?
[2016-11-06 03:50:09] wurstgelee : thats not possible unless i missed something crucial for months
[2016-11-06 03:50:44] wurstgelee : use bitcoinchecker ;)
[2016-11-06 04:07:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4600 @ 711.45
[2016-11-06 04:10:28] y1uy : Nice breakout on btc
[2016-11-06 04:10:38] y1uy : i wouldn't sell now tbh
[2016-11-06 04:14:18] shiroe : go pacquiao!
[2016-11-06 04:18:59] martinium : the hell btc breakout like boom
[2016-11-06 04:28:19] miramm1115 : predicted funding 0.375%, we are back to the pump :-)
[2016-11-06 04:37:47] martinium : continuation
[2016-11-06 04:37:53] martinium : btc defended 685 level twice
[2016-11-06 04:56:17] martinium : crazy how quickly the funding rate changes
[2016-11-06 05:12:36] martinium : this low volume push is suspect though
[2016-11-06 07:31:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 2 @ 735.40 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-06 07:39:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: Sell 6 @ 0.005470
[2016-11-06 08:26:36] TraderStefan : It's good to see so much trading on BitMEX these days
[2016-11-06 08:29:07] TraderStefan : Even the alt contracts are getting some decent volume in recent months
[2016-11-06 08:29:33] RoftheN : All because of volatility of Bitcoin
[2016-11-06 08:30:12] TraderStefan : yep, let's hope it continues
[2016-11-06 08:37:41] RoftheN : Woaw. ETH hashrate halved since Zcash, amazing, gonna short ETH some more
[2016-11-06 08:51:05] CapitalGains : RoftheN: Are you still long on ZEC? How confident are you? I'm not liking the order book.
[2016-11-06 08:51:53] RoftheN : I think that it will follow Poloniex, and I really think there will be a poloniex pump after it goes down some more
[2016-11-06 08:52:17] RoftheN : Some rich bagholders can't possibly be satisfied
[2016-11-06 09:28:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 826 @ 707.17
[2016-11-06 09:29:38] chromaticcr1 : come on stop spamming
[2016-11-06 09:30:17] chromaticcr1 : 1 contract xbtusd order...
[2016-11-06 09:35:50] hazir : My liquidation price for zcash changed from 1.3 btc to 0.28 for no apparent reason. Help?
[2016-11-06 09:36:13] hazir : Didnt change account balance ...
[2016-11-06 09:36:26] habibi : hazir: thank u for that info
[2016-11-06 09:36:29] habibi : lets try it out
[2016-11-06 09:36:38] chromaticcr1 : lol
[2016-11-06 09:36:59] hazir : I only have 1 contract habibi
[2016-11-06 09:37:04] chromaticcr1 : did you placed some orders or have other position?
[2016-11-06 09:37:07] habibi : hazir: just kidding, too much risk to go there thru asks
[2016-11-06 09:37:33] chromaticcr1 : habibi: yeah hidden ask everywhere
[2016-11-06 09:38:23] chromaticcr1 : or mistakenly press the leverage sidebar, and moved yourself out of "Cross" leveraged position?
[2016-11-06 09:38:33] hazir : Nope chromaticc1. Nothin'. Maybe its the market. Toneshort's probably. ..
[2016-11-06 09:38:44] hazir : Hu thankx checking
[2016-11-06 09:40:13] hazir : Yes. Thank you. Im retarded. This
[2016-11-06 09:40:40] hazir : chat is a log to my idioticy
[2016-11-06 09:40:51] hazir : <3
[2016-11-06 09:42:15] hazir : I butt leveraged.
[2016-11-06 09:47:42] micmix : yes, you have to be in cross to lose all your wallet balance at once. if you're on fixed margin you will lose bit by bit, it takes too long
[2016-11-06 09:55:07] chromaticcr1 : put urself on cross like jesus ;)
[2016-11-06 10:08:25] raver36 : hey guys
[2016-11-06 10:08:29] chromaticcr1 : yo
[2016-11-06 10:08:38] raver36 : I'm seeking for get rich quick scheme
[2016-11-06 10:08:43] raver36 : ideas?
[2016-11-06 10:09:08] CapitalGains : 100x leverage position with your entire portfolio
[2016-11-06 10:09:16] CapitalGains : Just get it right
[2016-11-06 10:09:43] CapitalGains : Otherwise it's a get broke quick scheme
[2016-11-06 10:10:31] chromaticcr1 : going long on ZEC
[2016-11-06 10:10:51] chromaticcr1 : so far low from market price!!! :shipit:
[2016-11-06 10:11:38] raver36 : chromaticcr1: I'm willing to go short
[2016-11-06 10:18:25] anonymous789 : is there a higher fee for higher leverage?
[2016-11-06 10:19:02] chromaticcr1 : no
[2016-11-06 10:19:11] anonymous789 : okay thanks
[2016-11-06 10:19:40] micmix : no, fee is based on trade size, leverage doesn't matter
[2016-11-06 10:19:52] anonymous789 : aah cool thanks
[2016-11-06 10:30:37] raver36 : what does cross mean in the leverage tab?
[2016-11-06 10:31:05] raver36 : and how is it different from '1x'?
[2016-11-06 10:36:58] habibi : raver36: u think it would be the same if Jesus would die on 1x instead cross?
[2016-11-06 10:37:23] raver36 : I'm just asking, what 'cross' means
[2016-11-06 10:37:35] raver36 : It's obvious that it is the 100x leverage
[2016-11-06 10:38:13] raver36 : And, also, why it is the default option
[2016-11-06 10:39:19] l3f : raver36: cross means "just fuck my shit up if I get liquidated"
[2016-11-06 10:40:22] lockhedge : raver36: Cross Margin: Margin is shared between open positions. When needed, a position will draw more margin from the total account balance to avoid liquidation. Isolated Margin: Margin assigned to a position is restricted to a certain amount. If the margin falls below the Maintenance Margin level, the position is liquidated. However, you can add and remove margin at will under this method. https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-11-06 10:41:03] raver36 : lockhedge: Thank you!
[2016-11-06 10:55:00] raver36 : In this formula, for the final funding rate calculation:
[2016-11-06 10:55:02] raver36 : Funding Rate (F) = Premium Index (P) + clamp(Interest Rate (I) - Premium Index (P), 0.05%, -0.05%)
[2016-11-06 10:55:23] raver36 : What does 'clamp' mean?
[2016-11-06 11:00:15] zcashequalslambo : where is this wall on 222000 from
[2016-11-06 11:00:53] kingkrung : zcashequalslambo: somebody has to sell, because he will be otherwise liquitated?
[2016-11-06 11:01:18] zcashequalslambo : zcash is dropping hard on poloniex
[2016-11-06 11:01:18] kingkrung : zcashequalslambo: buy I mean
[2016-11-06 11:01:39] kingkrung : or what do you think?
[2016-11-06 11:01:41] chromaticcr1 : lol 253 buy order 0.222
[2016-11-06 11:01:47] zcashequalslambo : how the hell he needs to buy
[2016-11-06 11:01:50] zcashequalslambo : when its dropping
[2016-11-06 11:02:13] zcashequalslambo : please explain
[2016-11-06 11:02:37] kingkrung : zcashequalslambo: ok, different. he tries to keep the price up buy selling high?
[2016-11-06 11:03:23] kingkrung : sorry. by buying in more?
[2016-11-06 11:03:30] zcashequalslambo : isnt the contract linked to the price on poloniex?
[2016-11-06 11:04:28] kingkrung : no, its not directly. the contract is the price of a zec on 31.12.2016. its not linked directly.
[2016-11-06 11:07:37] kingkrung : polo is just used to calc some margin, I do not fully understand this either
[2016-11-06 11:09:22] zcashequalslambo : alright
[2016-11-06 11:09:52] zcashequalslambo : how do you view upcoming elections? do oyu think altcoins as well as bitcoin will drop? since they are viewed as rather risky assets
[2016-11-06 11:09:57] zcashequalslambo : esp alctoins
[2016-11-06 11:17:53] NL007 : chromaticcr1: he run away
[2016-11-06 11:18:08] chromaticcr1 : boo!
[2016-11-06 11:18:58] NL007 : Zec will go below 0.1
[2016-11-06 11:19:56] NL007 : buy support is slowy being moved down
[2016-11-06 11:35:13] zcashequalslambo : on polo its falling but here its going down haha
[2016-11-06 11:35:21] zcashequalslambo : going ujp*
[2016-11-06 11:35:58] zcashequalslambo : soon breaks atl
[2016-11-06 11:55:37] shiroe : can u even profit on zec at x2? why not try x100 xbt instead. lol
[2016-11-06 12:00:45] shiroe : That 0.2335%
[2016-11-06 12:01:08] shiroe : good time to long xbt? :P
[2016-11-06 12:03:32] RoftheN : ooh what's this
[2016-11-06 12:04:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.201923
[2016-11-06 12:04:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.213530
[2016-11-06 12:05:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 26 @ 0.184341
[2016-11-06 12:05:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 0.181500
[2016-11-06 12:05:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 4 @ 0.184339
[2016-11-06 12:06:04] RoftheN : how strange
[2016-11-06 12:06:24] zcashequalslambo : meh
[2016-11-06 12:06:33] zcashequalslambo : should havbe set lower short price
[2016-11-06 12:06:37] zcashequalslambo : hopefull it recovers
[2016-11-06 12:06:42] zcashequalslambo : wanna jump in short again
[2016-11-06 12:06:48] small fich : hello , do you know how to calculate the funding rate for xbt ?
[2016-11-06 12:08:19] lockhedge : small fich: read "Funding Calculation" here (and follow the links) https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-11-06 12:08:48] RoftheN : Poor 26 guy
[2016-11-06 12:09:24] lockhedge : are rapid and wurst still alive?
[2016-11-06 12:10:39] RoftheN : I'm happy I didn't use x2
[2016-11-06 12:11:00] kradiav : pretty stupid to long zcash without full liq protection
[2016-11-06 12:15:29] RoftheN : 500
[2016-11-06 12:15:43] RoftheN : Guess I'll be safe for liquidation
[2016-11-06 12:16:31] chromaticcr1 : I appreciate thebravery of the 500 guy on zec
[2016-11-06 12:17:54] RoftheN : Wel'l it's possible because of Poloniex will always be 3x higher
[2016-11-06 12:18:47] aethlios : maybe 0.05 a good price to bet on dec. 30
[2016-11-06 12:19:34] RoftheN : Sounds about right, but there will be pumps in between
[2016-11-06 12:19:36] 7658 : 0.015
[2016-11-06 12:20:08] kradiav : we are not even at the half rate of mining that we will have at full speed, we will be for weeks at full speed before the contract settles, way lower than 0.05
[2016-11-06 12:20:22] shiroe : wow 500 order, maybe it was a 500 short position wanna close?
[2016-11-06 12:20:43] kradiav : 500 long? :D
[2016-11-06 12:21:09] aethlios : pumps but the contract will start following and be more spot sensitive as we approach expiration, it all now to bet the polo final 30 dec. price
[2016-11-06 12:21:23] negamax : could be a bot, there was a 350 order at .22 which disappeared at price swing; don't count on it :D
[2016-11-06 12:21:43] kradiav : ah order? I though position
[2016-11-06 12:21:45] kradiav : thought*
[2016-11-06 12:22:00] RoftheN : But we all know the final 30 dec price is much lower than this, yet the price doesn't go much lower than htis
[2016-11-06 12:22:21] shiroe : damn zec, everyday it loses 30% lol
[2016-11-06 12:22:32] RoftheN : Well shiroe, that's just the mining reward design
[2016-11-06 12:22:43] negamax : zec's inflation will rise linearly; so it should go down
[2016-11-06 12:23:04] thomaskikansha : 500 bid :o
[2016-11-06 12:23:16] RoftheN : it went up from 17 to 18
[2016-11-06 12:23:22] kradiav : lol, someone is desperate
[2016-11-06 12:23:57] RoftheN : I guess I could escape out of it rn, but I'm too greedy
[2016-11-06 12:24:27] 7658 : Bitmex asking for verification email to login. But it never sends email....
[2016-11-06 12:24:34] thomaskikansha : 450@0.19
[2016-11-06 12:24:48] RoftheN : still no one taking it
[2016-11-06 12:24:48] kradiav : I hope they try to pump it
[2016-11-06 12:25:08] RoftheN : you guys all know it's worth less than 0.1, yet no one is taking it, why?
[2016-11-06 12:25:14] RoftheN : on 30rth dec
[2016-11-06 12:25:34] kradiav : not degen gambler like some :D
[2016-11-06 12:25:44] kradiav : get #rekt away
[2016-11-06 12:26:14] kradiav : more profit when shorting tops :P
[2016-11-06 12:26:52] cwfabc : maybe someone should be magincall
[2016-11-06 12:27:12] kradiav : also, short-side doesn't need fake-walls to go down, it will got < 0.05 organically while longers slow drown
[2016-11-06 12:27:23] thomaskikansha : if it pumps here I am more than happy to short it
[2016-11-06 12:28:42] aethlios : xmr polo bids 2100 btc, for xec 770.
[2016-11-06 12:29:06] RoftheN : Someone should like sell 200 in the time he removes the 450
[2016-11-06 12:33:34] thomaskikansha : ouch
[2016-11-06 12:34:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 0.139816
[2016-11-06 12:34:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 13 @ 0.126784
[2016-11-06 12:34:26] RoftheN : And someoen did
[2016-11-06 12:34:28] thomaskikansha : to 0
[2016-11-06 12:35:15] Jason G : god
[2016-11-06 12:35:48] thomaskikansha : new low on polo
[2016-11-06 12:36:31] cwfabc : anyone margincall ?
[2016-11-06 12:37:08] Formiga : only a few
[2016-11-06 12:37:18] Formiga : not many people will get margin called on buys...
[2016-11-06 12:37:34] thomaskikansha : 1x longs would not got MCed
[2016-11-06 12:37:35] Formiga : it's easier to play the buy side
[2016-11-06 12:37:41] Formiga : yea I only using 1x longs
[2016-11-06 12:38:05] cwfabc : not everyone
[2016-11-06 12:38:09] Formiga : If you have only 1 btc u can buy almost 10 contracts at this prices
[2016-11-06 12:38:43] Formiga : Poloniex will take a while to go below 0.3 so I just bought some here now
[2016-11-06 12:38:53] Formiga : we should stay at 0.2
[2016-11-06 12:39:26] cwfabc : maybe under 0.1
[2016-11-06 12:39:52] Formiga : not yet I think
[2016-11-06 12:40:01] Formiga : even with poloniex going down fast it will be very easy to pump
[2016-11-06 12:40:03] cwfabc : there's 53 days
[2016-11-06 12:40:28] Formiga : only 9k ZEC supply now... on 0.1 price it's only 900 btc market cap... whales can manipulate veeery easily... that's why it pumped to 3.0 the other day
[2016-11-06 12:40:33] cwfabc : down by down everyday
[2016-11-06 12:40:47] Formiga : Yea but it will pump again at some point
[2016-11-06 12:41:23] Formiga : it has 2k volume everyday, market cap now is 4.500 btc... if you compare to other coins like eth it's very very small
[2016-11-06 12:41:25] cwfabc : maybe yes maybe no,anyone konws
[2016-11-06 12:41:33] Formiga : no one knows*
[2016-11-06 12:42:02] Formiga : not saying for sure it will pump
[2016-11-06 12:42:10] Formiga : but by the facts it's not going below 0.3 fast
[2016-11-06 12:42:14] Formiga : such volume will hold it
[2016-11-06 12:42:28] RoftheN : But where is the bottom
[2016-11-06 12:43:24] Formiga : IMO by now it's 0.1 here in bitmex... but next month we should be below it
[2016-11-06 12:43:43] Formiga : reward blocks it's not high yet
[2016-11-06 12:43:47] rapidtrades : selling for 12 cents and 80% discount...rly
[2016-11-06 12:44:07] rapidtrades : now it's just getting silly
[2016-11-06 12:45:30] Formiga : Why 80% discount?
[2016-11-06 12:45:37] Formiga : This is futures, u can't think that way
[2016-11-06 12:45:50] Formiga : This is the price people assume ZEC will be Dec 30
[2016-11-06 12:45:52] RoftheN : Problem mostly for upcoming pumps is that most people by now are informed it will go down
[2016-11-06 12:45:56] aethlios : no more zcash, just everyday zcrash
[2016-11-06 12:46:14] RoftheN : But Formiga, the market isn't rational, you can't just assume people are actually betting for Dec 30
[2016-11-06 12:46:29] Formiga : Of course it will go down.... what u expected? Every hour there's 100 ZEC beeing mined now... that's a 50 btc every how
[2016-11-06 12:46:56] Formiga : RoftheN: that's true, people don't care about that... but they know it's going down anyway
[2016-11-06 12:47:13] RoftheN : Yes they know it's going down, but many expect it will go up when Polo pumps again
[2016-11-06 12:47:29] aethlios : total supply 10,000 imagine 303,000 dec 30
[2016-11-06 12:47:58] Formiga : Not just 303.000... the real problem is every block being mined every 2-3 minutes
[2016-11-06 12:48:02] Formiga : it's a lot of dumping
[2016-11-06 12:48:19] RoftheN : It's great for miners
[2016-11-06 12:48:27] RoftheN : too bad electricity cost too high
[2016-11-06 12:52:38] rapidtrades : 2m market cap is really low
[2016-11-06 12:53:12] rapidtrades : it will beat out monero so 100x increase likely
[2016-11-06 12:54:30] rapidtrades : in market cap not necessarily price
[2016-11-06 12:56:50] rapidtrades : at these prices it's not even worth it for me to dump my future...if we go down more i'll just buy some on polo
[2016-11-06 12:57:39] Formiga : dude u need to stop to think that way
[2016-11-06 12:57:49] Formiga : market cap is irrelevant now, the coin just launched 9 days ago
[2016-11-06 12:58:10] rapidtrades : it's just as relevant as ur supply argument
[2016-11-06 12:58:37] Formiga : ofc not dude
[2016-11-06 12:58:37] rapidtrades : both assume market doesn't discount
[2016-11-06 12:58:42] Formiga : have you ever heard of monetary inflation?
[2016-11-06 12:58:54] Formiga : Also why the fuck would you pay 300 usd now for ZEC?
[2016-11-06 12:59:14] rapidtrades : cos it's precious
[2016-11-06 12:59:16] Formiga : That's why you are losing money now and u will keep on doing if u buy on polo
[2016-11-06 12:59:18] Formiga : precious why?
[2016-11-06 12:59:24] Formiga : what has it achieved so far?
[2016-11-06 12:59:32] rapidtrades : it's the One True Coin
[2016-11-06 12:59:36] Formiga : lol
[2016-11-06 12:59:45] Formiga : yea keep thinking that way
[2016-11-06 12:59:51] hhhhh : ZEC is an all hype coin that has no proprietary technology since it is open source. I would compare it to Paycoin which was one of the biggest scams this year in crypto.
[2016-11-06 13:00:01] Formiga : Know that Zooko, ZEC developer, has been in inumerous projetcs and bailed out
[2016-11-06 13:00:15] Formiga : just google his stuff
[2016-11-06 13:00:17] rapidtrades : so like Elon Musk then?
[2016-11-06 13:01:08] Formiga : Whatever it does in the future the first thing is not to hold now... play the market
[2016-11-06 13:01:14] Formiga : wait until it finds a USD floor
[2016-11-06 13:01:29] rapidtrades : we are blessed to have Zooko
[2016-11-06 13:01:41] rapidtrades : he will lead us to greatness
[2016-11-06 13:01:55] Formiga : hahahaha
[2016-11-06 13:24:40] kradiav : rapidtrades: btw Zooko is just the CEO, he didn't even write code for it...
[2016-11-06 13:26:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50000 @ 706.78 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-11-06 13:27:02] rapidtrades : kradiav: he provides important guidance then
[2016-11-06 13:27:14] rapidtrades : sharing his wisdom with the ZEC devs
[2016-11-06 13:27:19] kradiav : rapidtrades: /cringe
[2016-11-06 13:27:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1930 @ 705.98
[2016-11-06 13:28:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1300 @ 705.19
[2016-11-06 13:28:31] rapidtrades : bitcorn down, zec up
[2016-11-06 13:29:48] shiroe : why everyone loves szec? lol
[2016-11-06 13:29:51] kradiav : #SlowRektWithZEC
[2016-11-06 13:31:00] rapidtrades : actually if u look at the logs majority of REKTS are margined shorts
[2016-11-06 13:31:35] rapidtrades : 1st time polo pumped over 120 of ur poor souls got reaped
[2016-11-06 13:31:52] kradiav : longs will get #rekt on settlement ;)
[2016-11-06 13:32:17] rapidtrades : yeah im sure longs are terrified of losing 0.14 btc
[2016-11-06 13:32:37] kradiav : free money for me :)
[2016-11-06 13:40:13] thomaskikansha : new low polo
[2016-11-06 13:51:13] shiroe : shit i finally got long zec and xbt. wew. Hope to not get rekt.
[2016-11-06 13:51:50] shiroe : This no volume drop is cheeesy.
[2016-11-06 13:56:46] mjones : never see zec so cheap
[2016-11-06 13:56:54] Tul : hi, I'm looking for an admin
[2016-11-06 13:57:06] Tul : it seems our IAPIP is blocked on the