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[2016-11-05 16:55:43] martinium : once ego gets involved = rekt
[2016-11-05 16:55:57] martinium : usualy leads to overrisking aka too large position sizing
[2016-11-05 16:56:04] Rado : yep
[2016-11-05 16:56:10] martinium : usually*
[2016-11-05 16:56:19] martinium : but I have paid my fair share of "tuition"
[2016-11-05 16:56:24] Rado : position size, stops, picking the right trades
[2016-11-05 16:56:35] Rado : all kind of things involved with trading
[2016-11-05 16:56:39] Rado : emotions etc
[2016-11-05 16:56:39] martinium : yep
[2016-11-05 16:56:43] martinium : patience is a key element
[2016-11-05 16:56:50] martinium : waiting for your entry
[2016-11-05 16:57:00] martinium : fomo is a big psychological factor
[2016-11-05 16:57:01] Rado : patience as well as knowing when to cut your loses and try again
[2016-11-05 16:57:22] martinium : most people don't know when to cut losses quickly
[2016-11-05 16:57:30] Rado : yesterday before the dump as was telling people here to get out
[2016-11-05 16:57:33] martinium : I myself still make errors from time to time
[2016-11-05 16:57:39] Rado : they thought it's just a small correction
[2016-11-05 16:57:46] martinium : I was thinking that and got rekt
[2016-11-05 16:57:47] Rado : everyone makes errors
[2016-11-05 16:57:56] martinium : i ignored my ta
[2016-11-05 16:57:57] Rado : even the great sleger
[2016-11-05 16:58:06] martinium : which told me to get out at 753 resistance
[2016-11-05 16:58:12] martinium : yet I relonged
[2016-11-05 16:58:15] martinium : at 727
[2016-11-05 16:58:24] martinium : lost 12.6 btc on liquidation
[2016-11-05 16:58:45] Rado : ouch
[2016-11-05 16:58:52] Rado : that hurts
[2016-11-05 16:58:55] martinium : but I'm already making it back bit by bit
[2016-11-05 16:58:57] martinium : yep
[2016-11-05 16:59:03] Rado : I have stops on all my trades
[2016-11-05 16:59:10] Rado : as soon as I enter a position
[2016-11-05 16:59:18] Rado : learned this when trading options
[2016-11-05 16:59:19] martinium : I trade oil futures and always set stops
[2016-11-05 16:59:25] martinium : but here in crypto havent used stops
[2016-11-05 16:59:30] Rado : with futures and options you can't afford to see what will happen
[2016-11-05 16:59:35] Rado : not like stocks or etfs
[2016-11-05 16:59:40] martinium : the leverage
[2016-11-05 16:59:49] martinium : same with this as well
[2016-11-05 16:59:55] martinium : but it behaves more like a levered stock
[2016-11-05 17:00:06] martinium : crypto is great for making gains
[2016-11-05 17:00:11] martinium : with proper entries
[2016-11-05 17:00:22] martinium : just can't get too greedy
[2016-11-05 17:00:29] martinium : greed cost me
[2016-11-05 17:00:49] martinium : lesson learned
[2016-11-05 17:01:16] Rado : martinium: just don't make it again
[2016-11-05 17:01:28] Rado : put a sticky on your PC with -12 BTC
[2016-11-05 17:01:52] martinium : I had a chance to market sell and I held off
[2016-11-05 17:01:55] martinium : then the dump
[2016-11-05 17:01:56] martinium : boom
[2016-11-05 17:02:02] Rado : it's fast
[2016-11-05 17:02:06] martinium : yup
[2016-11-05 17:02:23] Rado : I selling some right now
[2016-11-05 17:02:27] martinium : precision is key in trading
[2016-11-05 17:02:31] Rado : that I bought near teh bottom
[2016-11-05 17:02:38] Rado : just XBTUSD
[2016-11-05 17:02:55] Rado : holding my XBTZ16
[2016-11-05 17:02:58] martinium : big ass doji on weekly chart for the swap
[2016-11-05 17:03:34] Rado : martinium: talk to you later
[2016-11-05 17:03:40] martinium : cya
[2016-11-05 17:03:47] numero : do you guys use Ichimoku for ta?
[2016-11-05 17:03:49] Rado : going to run some errands and Lunch
[2016-11-05 17:03:56] Rado : numero: I don't
[2016-11-05 17:04:04] martinium : numero: I don't
[2016-11-05 17:04:15] martinium : numero: I use 0 indicators
[2016-11-05 17:04:19] numero : martinium: you have something better?
[2016-11-05 17:04:27] numero : animal spirits?
[2016-11-05 17:04:31] martinium : numero: I look at price and structure
[2016-11-05 17:04:37] martinium : and my crystal ball
[2016-11-05 17:04:41] sleger : apparently he doesnt have anything better
[2016-11-05 17:04:44] sleger : -12btc
[2016-11-05 17:05:03] numero : I would be REKT :o
[2016-11-05 17:05:16] martinium : its a lesson learned
[2016-11-05 17:05:21] sleger : he will be soon too
[2016-11-05 17:05:22] martinium : hard one but it is what it is
[2016-11-05 17:05:29] numero : I would be RUPT
[2016-11-05 17:05:38] martinium : sleger: your crystal ball tell you that? lol
[2016-11-05 17:05:52] sleger : guys like you come and go pretty fast around here
[2016-11-05 17:06:01] martinium : wrong about that
[2016-11-05 17:06:06] martinium : guys like me
[2016-11-05 17:06:13] martinium : you have no idea how or who I am
[2016-11-05 17:06:23] martinium : I've been trading a long time
[2016-11-05 17:06:29] martinium : but we all make mistakes
[2016-11-05 17:06:34] martinium : simple as that
[2016-11-05 17:07:00] numero : sleger: yeah, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop
[2016-11-05 17:07:08] sleger : i dont know who you are and i couldnt care less. However what i know is that you said some seriously dumb stuff the last weeks
[2016-11-05 17:08:55] martinium : sleger: I admit I did especially my first days in here
[2016-11-05 17:09:06] martinium : in the trollbox that is
[2016-11-05 17:09:15] martinium : never really used or cared to use one
[2016-11-05 17:09:47] sleger : thumb up for admitting it
[2016-11-05 17:10:51] martinium : sleger: it's all good man
[2016-11-05 17:11:11] sleger : tempted to buy some zcash
[2016-11-05 17:11:52] martinium : sleger: it's nice and sideways
[2016-11-05 17:12:18] sleger : just to dump it in the next pump
[2016-11-05 17:16:49] sleger : zcash is dead : Zclassic is a Zcash Fork with No 20% Founders Tax
[2016-11-05 17:17:10] martinium : was just reading about that
[2016-11-05 17:17:22] martinium : 20% founders mining reward is complete horseshit
[2016-11-05 17:17:28] martinium : they should mine themselves
[2016-11-05 17:17:35] messiaen8844 : fork zcash
[2016-11-05 17:17:35] martinium : miners don't owe them anything
[2016-11-05 17:17:59] sleger : messiaen8844: thats what zclassic is
[2016-11-05 17:18:13] messiaen8844 : is it already running?
[2016-11-05 17:18:21] messiaen8844 : i saw the fork on github, didn't know it was on already
[2016-11-05 17:18:54] martinium : yeah has no traction yet
[2016-11-05 17:19:00] messiaen8844 : that will be cool
[2016-11-05 17:21:25] sleger : messiaen8844: testnet
[2016-11-05 17:21:56] RoftheN : Well I will be interested in that one
[2016-11-05 17:21:58] RoftheN : But
[2016-11-05 17:22:04] RoftheN : It's still not organized well
[2016-11-05 17:22:11] RoftheN : There needs to be some outrage for Zcash first
[2016-11-05 17:22:15] RoftheN : Then it will follow
[2016-11-05 17:25:10] martinium : zcash is all hype
[2016-11-05 17:25:37] martinium : think I was hearing of people integrating its privacy functionality into bitcoin itself
[2016-11-05 17:25:42] martinium : that was the original idea
[2016-11-05 17:25:53] martinium : but they got greedy and thought altcoin
[2016-11-05 17:54:24] rapidtrades : Thanks 'I lost 12 BTC' guy
[2016-11-05 17:54:49] rapidtrades : i'll file ur opinion under 'DO NOT consider'
[2016-11-05 17:56:26] NL007 : zec hashrate dropping
[2016-11-05 17:56:56] martinium : rapidtrades: cool
[2016-11-05 17:57:11] martinium : only that big due to liquidations on here
[2016-11-05 17:57:27] NL007 : difficulty dropping also
[2016-11-05 17:57:27] rapidtrades : not rly, no
[2016-11-05 17:57:38] rapidtrades : afaik liqs on swap take 0.75%?
[2016-11-05 17:57:41] rapidtrades : extra
[2016-11-05 17:57:50] martinium : it sold way below the last quoted price
[2016-11-05 17:58:00] rapidtrades : like how much below
[2016-11-05 17:58:06] martinium : sold at the lows when price was 714 it liquidated to like 705
[2016-11-05 17:58:17] martinium : way below
[2016-11-05 17:58:22] rapidtrades : yeah that's a bit high
[2016-11-05 17:58:26] martinium : I was surprised it did that much
[2016-11-05 17:58:43] rapidtrades : i think they liq-ed u at mark price while here we were at premium?
[2016-11-05 17:59:30] martinium : market price was 714
[2016-11-05 17:59:42] martinium : it hit 717.49 just under my liquidation price
[2016-11-05 17:59:47] martinium : instantly vanished
[2016-11-05 17:59:49] habibi : martinium that liq was today?
[2016-11-05 17:59:55] martinium : account says sold at 705
[2016-11-05 18:00:15] martinium : habibi: no that was on like thursday
[2016-11-05 18:00:38] habibi : around 250-300k contracts?
[2016-11-05 18:01:09] martinium : 290k
[2016-11-05 18:01:30] martinium : I was in a meeting
[2016-11-05 18:01:36] martinium : couldn't get to terminal in time
[2016-11-05 18:01:38] martinium : was like fuck
[2016-11-05 18:01:50] martinium : missed chance to just market sell
[2016-11-05 18:02:11] habibi : martinium: i think i bought ur liq, thx for that http://prntscr.com/d3h75t
[2016-11-05 18:02:47] martinium : maybe
[2016-11-05 18:02:50] martinium : but no way to be sure
[2016-11-05 18:02:57] martinium : there was a sea of liq that day
[2016-11-05 18:03:20] martinium : wish you would have but they gave me a 705 price way below my liq price
[2016-11-05 18:04:34] martinium : 705.62 to be exact
[2016-11-05 18:05:17] martinium : 15:31 pm UTC time
[2016-11-05 18:05:40] habibi : martinium: yep, i bought it
[2016-11-05 18:05:59] martinium : maybe just a part
[2016-11-05 18:06:00] rapidtrades : lol brutal
[2016-11-05 18:06:07] martinium : cuz it says fill at 705.62
[2016-11-05 18:06:09] rapidtrades : meet ur executioner
[2016-11-05 18:06:14] martinium : your says 713
[2016-11-05 18:06:27] habibi : martinium: yep, my is right,
[2016-11-05 18:06:38] sleger : you gave your money to habibi, ouch cant get worse than that
[2016-11-05 18:06:48] martinium : lol
[2016-11-05 18:06:49] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-11-05 18:06:51] martinium : its whatever
[2016-11-05 18:07:21] martinium : always someone on other side of a persons trade
[2016-11-05 18:07:34] rapidtrades : don't liquidations take around 0.75% extra? he paid 1.2
[2016-11-05 18:07:46] habibi : but when its sleger, u can be sure money will be used to buy eth, in my case it will be used for some random things
[2016-11-05 18:07:50] rapidtrades : 0.5% plus funding
[2016-11-05 18:08:37] martinium : my liq price was 717.62
[2016-11-05 18:08:44] martinium : filled liq at 705.62
[2016-11-05 18:08:49] martinium : massive difference
[2016-11-05 18:09:06] martinium : market was in the $714 range at the time
[2016-11-05 18:09:37] rapidtrades : so how much of that 16 btc was lost due to the price gap
[2016-11-05 18:11:43] martinium : more than 4.31 btc
[2016-11-05 18:11:47] martinium : due to that price gap
[2016-11-05 18:12:25] rapidtrades : ok so 7.7 btc without the gap
[2016-11-05 18:12:38] numero : I learn a lot from you guys, I admire you all
[2016-11-05 18:13:16] habibi : numero: no problemos, u pay for that lessons while trading against us
[2016-11-05 18:13:16] rapidtrades : in order to justify that size u would need a 100k risk capital minimum...do u have that? @martinium
[2016-11-05 18:13:34] rapidtrades : that's if u risk 5% per trade, which is very aggressive
[2016-11-05 18:13:45] martinium : I was way overrisked
[2016-11-05 18:13:56] martinium : I made a mistake hadn't made for years
[2016-11-05 18:14:06] martinium : expecting drop to stop at 680 and be dond
[2016-11-05 18:14:10] martinium : done*
[2016-11-05 18:14:13] martinium : wasnt the case
[2016-11-05 18:14:24] martinium : bought back on rise to 727 before mega dump
[2016-11-05 18:14:34] martinium : held too long when all signs said to sell
[2016-11-05 18:14:34] rapidtrades : right so size was the problem not the liquidation
[2016-11-05 18:14:47] rapidtrades : cos u still would've lost over 5k
[2016-11-05 18:14:49] martinium : yeah also liquidation price
[2016-11-05 18:15:01] martinium : yea was still going to be a big loss regardless
[2016-11-05 18:19:25] BitMEX_Wally : extrabit: execInst is case sensitive
[2016-11-05 19:22:11] RoftheN : So ehh question, why, now that ZEC isn't really futures anymore (is it?) is the price so much lower than on Polo
[2016-11-05 19:25:26] BitMEX_Wally : ZECZ16 will settle on the future price of ZEC on 30 December 2016. It's a futures contract
[2016-11-05 19:26:34] rapidtrades : RoftheN: if u ask me, the cap and the mark to last helped shorts here
[2016-11-05 19:26:50] rapidtrades : it gave them a limited risk during a very volatile time for ZEC
[2016-11-05 19:27:25] rapidtrades : so the market is a bit slated now by shorts who made a lot of money during that period and they're keeping pressure on price
[2016-11-05 19:28:42] RoftheN : Okay but then what did the change change?
[2016-11-05 19:29:22] BitMEX_Greg : RoftheN: what change are you referring to?
[2016-11-05 19:29:43] rapidtrades : cap is removed and it's now slightly harder for shorts to push down price cos margin isn't marked to last @RoftheN
[2016-11-05 19:29:45] RoftheN : "Important Changes to Zcash Futures Fair Price Marking"
[2016-11-05 19:30:04] RoftheN : So what's meant with ''market to last''
[2016-11-05 19:30:13] RoftheN : marked
[2016-11-05 19:31:23] RoftheN : Nvm I foujnd the page that explains it
[2016-11-05 19:32:30] BitMEX_Greg : np
[2016-11-05 20:20:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3000 @ 702.03
[2016-11-05 20:23:50] javierstone : i smell some liquidations coming
[2016-11-05 21:23:06] mjones : orly
[2016-11-05 21:23:29] mjones : i'm ready to fomo that direction
[2016-11-05 21:28:10] asdfman : 100x long with 0.25
[2016-11-05 21:28:14] asdfman : I'm ready
[2016-11-05 21:53:56] QuantFocus : asdfman: gonna get rekt
[2016-11-05 21:54:31] QuantFocus : i think best case is a quick pump to 720 before we dump
[2016-11-05 22:04:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 420 @ 702.62
[2016-11-05 22:07:52] mjones : btc tried pumping. not time yet
[2016-11-05 22:08:17] mjones : sometime in the next 12 hours most likely
[2016-11-06 00:12:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 13 @ 0.007308
[2016-11-06 00:49:13] AudibleScience : are you here Sam?
[2016-11-06 00:59:36] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Greg: can you let Sam know there is a weird ~5 pixel difference when hovering over " overflown overflown-left nav nav-tabs" when the browser is set to 75% zoom. It's no big deal at all and he probably already knows about it.
[2016-11-06 01:00:28] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: I'll take a look, thanks
[2016-11-06 01:01:23] AudibleScience : cool
[2016-11-06 01:38:37] wurstgelee : i disagree
[2016-11-06 01:38:46] wurstgelee : with everything
[2016-11-06 01:42:02] AudibleScience : wurstgelee: with everything, really? must be hard! lol
[2016-11-06 01:46:53] rapidtrades : so when laptops state X hrs in specs....is that idle time?
[2016-11-06 01:49:19] rapidtrades : there's def some creative marketing in this area
[2016-11-06 01:56:57] wurstgelee : AudibleScience: its easy tbh
[2016-11-06 01:57:38] wurstgelee : hm.
[2016-11-06 01:57:45] wurstgelee : seems like i longed
[2016-11-06 01:57:50] wurstgelee : wtf
[2016-11-06 02:01:42] wurstgelee : quiet evening obviouslx, can still read msgs from 8 hours earlier
[2016-11-06 02:01:44] wurstgelee : *y
[2016-11-06 02:20:29] drag : zec buy now
[2016-11-06 02:31:14] Formiga : Can I set alarms on here for price?
[2016-11-06 02:31:34] Squall : Can anyone answer me a question?
[2016-11-06 02:32:20] Squall : about the cross margin
[2016-11-06 02:33:27] squall_ : HI all
[2016-11-06 02:33:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 703.44 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-06 02:35:26] QuantFocus : Squall: it uses all available funds
[2016-11-06 02:37:50] Squall : Okay, so how do you close?
[2016-11-06 02:38:07] QuantFocus : Squall: close a position?
[2016-11-06 02:38:20] Squall : Yes, the margin uses all the funds that you've purchased?
[2016-11-06 02:38:25] QuantFocus : buy/sell the opposite of what you currently have open
[2016-11-06 02:38:30] Squall : it doesn't look like it reflects that in the P/l
[2016-11-06 02:38:53] QuantFocus : Squall: the margin uses all funds available in your wallet if you use cross. alternatively you can set a leverage amount with the slider
[2016-11-06 02:39:18] QuantFocus : leverage limits will potentially reduce the amount of funds at risk, assuming you have greater balance than your leverage utilization
[2016-11-06 02:39:44] QuantFocus : but will also increase/decrease your liquidation price - depending on long/short
[2016-11-06 02:39:57] Squall : sure. i understand that.
[2016-11-06 02:40:07] QuantFocus : Squall: unrealized pnl is based on mark price, not market
[2016-11-06 02:40:16] Squall : do you need a higher balance to open a higher cross margin position?
[2016-11-06 02:40:27] QuantFocus : no
[2016-11-06 02:40:37] QuantFocus : just think of that slider as a multiplier
[2016-11-06 02:40:39] Squall : in other words say i buy 1000 contract, do i need 2000 to open a 50x margin?
[2016-11-06 02:40:50] QuantFocus : you can either use all funds in your wallet, or you can use 5x/10x/20x etc
[2016-11-06 02:40:54] QuantFocus : based on position size
[2016-11-06 02:41:15] QuantFocus : 50x in most cases requires 2% of notional
[2016-11-06 02:41:34] QuantFocus : so you would need 20(xxx)
[2016-11-06 02:42:40] QuantFocus : that slider is how much of your capital you want to pledge for collateral
[2016-11-06 02:43:23] Squall : It doesn't work the same way that a margin position on poloniex works then?
[2016-11-06 02:43:33] Squall : I'm sorry i'm not understanding yet, pretty green to this place.
[2016-11-06 02:44:07] rapidtrades : try it with 1 contract on swap to see how fast u get rekt
[2016-11-06 02:44:22] rapidtrades : or for free on the testnet
[2016-11-06 02:44:59] Squall : so if i open 100 contracts on 50x i need 2 extra to open the position?
[2016-11-06 02:45:10] QuantFocus : Squall: same concept, but on polo you transfer funds to your margin wallet and it assumes you pledge the entire amount
[2016-11-06 02:47:07] QuantFocus : Squall: well, no
[2016-11-06 02:47:22] QuantFocus : you just need 2% of the notional amount
[2016-11-06 02:47:48] QuantFocus : but like @rapidtrades said, if you use max leverage like that you're probably gonna have a bad time
[2016-11-06 02:47:55] Squall : sure.
[2016-11-06 02:48:10] Squall : you can change the cross at any time though?
[2016-11-06 02:48:20] CrazyEarner : having problms depositing when trying t odeposit says inviled BTC address sending to any idea why when its right one
[2016-11-06 02:48:27] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: the vallley and bump assumption was pretty accurate.
[2016-11-06 02:48:35] wurstgelee : we're back on slope tho ;)
[2016-11-06 02:48:43] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: i still think it's down
[2016-11-06 02:48:52] QuantFocus : i'm really surprised we're at 2 days now of relatively stable
[2016-11-06 02:49:24] wurstgelee : i dumped below .7 now tho
[2016-11-06 02:49:27] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-06 02:49:28] wurstgelee : *it
[2016-11-06 02:49:31] wurstgelee : not me
[2016-11-06 02:49:43] QuantFocus : oh, on zec?
[2016-11-06 02:49:46] QuantFocus : i thought we were talking xbt
[2016-11-06 02:49:53] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-06 02:50:07] wurstgelee : i obviously longed btc
[2016-11-06 02:50:13] wurstgelee : for some reason i cant recall
[2016-11-06 02:50:21] wurstgelee : kinda surprised when i reutrned home
[2016-11-06 02:50:22] QuantFocus : seems to me most action on btc is right at the UTC midnight chart change
[2016-11-06 02:50:51] QuantFocus : but both days now it's just hovering
[2016-11-06 02:50:57] wurstgelee : i had some brain-resetting drinks tho
[2016-11-06 02:51:16] QuantFocus : haha, nice
[2016-11-06 02:51:42] QuantFocus : technicals look bad to me.
[2016-11-06 02:51:48] wurstgelee : was fun but already in recovery mode
[2016-11-06 02:51:50] QuantFocus : at least on the daily
[2016-11-06 02:52:11] wurstgelee : that transaltes to stay the fuck awakre for another hour so hangover wont be that bad
[2016-11-06 02:52:20] wurstgelee : *translates also
[2016-11-06 02:52:24] QuantFocus : or have another
[2016-11-06 02:52:30] QuantFocus : bloody mary....mmmm
[2016-11-06 02:52:36] wurstgelee : i am resorting to both tbh
[2016-11-06 02:52:38] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-06 02:54:06] QuantFocus : :thumbsup:
[2016-11-06 02:55:06] IamLegend : Hi am new
[2016-11-06 02:55:42] wurstgelee : i am old
[2016-11-06 02:56:02] QuantFocus : i'm in the middle
[2016-11-06 02:56:05] IamLegend : lol
[2016-11-06 02:56:12] wurstgelee : i dont like sandwiches
[2016-11-06 03:02:13] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: no need to discriminate
[2016-11-06 03:02:45] wurstgelee : discrimate? sandwiches?
[2016-11-06 03:03:03] Squall : QuantFocus: thank you for your explanations, so just one more question, to close an open long you sell your contract on the place order? that wont initiate short?
[2016-11-06 03:03:08] CrazyEarner : yeah its sandwich discrimination lmfao
[2016-11-06 03:03:18] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-06 03:03:26] CrazyEarner : what the sandwiches ever do to you :P
[2016-11-06 03:03:32] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: :smile:
[2016-11-06 03:03:45] QuantFocus : Squall: correct
[2016-11-06 03:03:57] Squall : Okay great.
[2016-11-06 03:04:04] CrazyEarner : I bet he made a sandwich and one the pices of butter bred dropped and landed butter side down lmfao
[2016-11-06 03:04:17] QuantFocus : Squall: if you have a limit price you want to use. alternatively you can use the "close position" section under your open positions
[2016-11-06 03:04:20] wurstgelee : Squall: Just buy a sandwich. All turns out great then.
[2016-11-06 03:04:27] wurstgelee : Apparently sandwich is the new savior
[2016-11-06 03:04:35] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-06 03:04:52] wurstgelee : US should elect a sandwich
[2016-11-06 03:05:25] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: it'd be better than the other two options
[2016-11-06 03:05:37] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-11-06 03:05:41] Squall : i say skeletor
[2016-11-06 03:06:09] wurstgelee : where's greyskull then?
[2016-11-06 03:06:32] wurstgelee : and doe that make putin he-man?
[2016-11-06 03:06:35] wurstgelee : *s
[2016-11-06 03:07:03] laisee : elect Putin, he'd do the job ok
[2016-11-06 03:08:18] wurstgelee : same as a sandwich
[2016-11-06 03:09:19] QuantFocus : great, now i'm hungry
[2016-11-06 03:09:26] Squall : QuantFocus: the reason I had so many questions is that my open position unrealized profit doesn't have anything listed, is this because it's separate from the cross margin?
[2016-11-06 03:09:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 30 @ 704.03
[2016-11-06 03:09:52] QuantFocus : Squall: cross margin/margin has nothing to do with your pnl
[2016-11-06 03:10:25] QuantFocus : that would be displayed in your ROE, which still really has nothing to do with pnl
[2016-11-06 03:10:34] QuantFocus : look at your entry price vs. mark price
[2016-11-06 03:10:46] QuantFocus : both are listed on your open positions tab
[2016-11-06 03:11:25] Squall : Okay, why is mark price lower than current market sell price?
[2016-11-06 03:11:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2600 @ 704.40
[2016-11-06 03:11:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: Buy 25 @ 735.53
[2016-11-06 03:13:48] Squall : PNL is different than your actual earnings if you sell at a cross margin correct? I feel like such a nub still lol. :(
[2016-11-06 03:14:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 19044 @ 0.001451
[2016-11-06 03:16:18] Squall : ill be on testnet lol
[2016-11-06 03:16:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.001442
[2016-11-06 03:18:06] wurstgelee : wb btc
[2016-11-06 03:18:07] QuantFocus : Squall: mark is based on indexes other than bitmex
[2016-11-06 03:18:21] QuantFocus : you can read about the contract details in the references/contracts section
[2016-11-06 03:18:27] QuantFocus : little rally
[2016-11-06 03:20:13] Squall : thx for all the help :)
[2016-11-06 03:20:26] rapidtrades : what's with the 4am rallies
[2016-11-06 03:20:36] rapidtrades : gayass coin
[2016-11-06 03:20:37] Squall : china
[2016-11-06 03:20:58] rapidtrades : its a Sunday china, take a break
[2016-11-06 03:24:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 45 @ 0.015500
[2016-11-06 03:26:28] rapidtrades : 66 cents for the One True Coin
[2016-11-06 03:26:36] rapidtrades : what a travesty
[2016-11-06 03:26:58] bernx : dat fomo
[2016-11-06 03:27:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1627 @ 708.87
[2016-11-06 03:29:39] rapidtrades : what's the logic behind buying 14995 and not 15000
[2016-11-06 03:29:55] rapidtrades : he did that 3 times in past 5 mins
[2016-11-06 03:30:08] rapidtrades : keeps leaving 5 on
[2016-11-06 03:31:13] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100995 @ 710.13 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-11-06 03:31:13] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 140000 @ 709.74 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-11-06 03:31:47] chromaticcr1 : oh my!
[2016-11-06 03:31:53] wurstgelee : btc seems serious
[2016-11-06 03:32:10] rapidtrades : just a 200k liq
[2016-11-06 03:32:22] wurstgelee : fck liquidations
[2016-11-06 03:32:28] wurstgelee : gimme adl
[2016-11-06 03:32:29] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-06 03:33:03] chromaticcr1 : 719
[2016-11-06 03:33:07] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-06 03:33:12] chromaticcr1 : thanks adl fund
[2016-11-06 03:33:25] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-11-06 03:33:29] rapidtrades : was that adl?
[2016-11-06 03:33:40] wurstgelee : dunno
[2016-11-06 03:33:41] hhhhh : buying that ferrari tomorrow
[2016-11-06 03:33:46] chromaticcr1 : yes, the liq order is gone now
[2016-11-06 03:33:55] wurstgelee : hhhhh: i already bought order all, none left
[2016-11-06 03:34:01] wurstgelee : *.bought
[2016-11-06 03:35:50] rapidtrades : this fomo should make for a nice funding payment in 16 hrs
[2016-11-06 03:36:20] rapidtrades : last few days have been stingy
[2016-11-06 03:37:08] wurstgelee : idc tho, closed my long @ 715
[2016-11-06 03:37:17] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-06 03:43:49] Formiga : Any how I can set price alarms here?
[2016-11-06 03:49:39] wurstgelee : alarms?
[2016-11-06 03:50:09] wurstgelee : thats not possible unless i missed something crucial for months
[2016-11-06 03:50:44] wurstgelee : use bitcoinchecker ;)
[2016-11-06 04:07:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4600 @ 711.45
[2016-11-06 04:10:28] y1uy : Nice breakout on btc
[2016-11-06 04:10:38] y1uy : i wouldn't sell now tbh
[2016-11-06 04:14:18] shiroe : go pacquiao!
[2016-11-06 04:18:59] martinium : the hell btc breakout like boom
[2016-11-06 04:28:19] miramm1115 : predicted funding 0.375%, we are back to the pump :-)
[2016-11-06 04:37:47] martinium : continuation
[2016-11-06 04:37:53] martinium : btc defended 685 level twice
[2016-11-06 04:56:17] martinium : crazy how quickly the funding rate changes
[2016-11-06 05:12:36] martinium : this low volume push is suspect though
[2016-11-06 07:31:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 2 @ 735.40 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-06 07:39:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: Sell 6 @ 0.005470
[2016-11-06 08:26:36] TraderStefan : It's good to see so much trading on BitMEX these days
[2016-11-06 08:29:07] TraderStefan : Even the alt contracts are getting some decent volume in recent months
[2016-11-06 08:29:33] RoftheN : All because of volatility of Bitcoin
[2016-11-06 08:30:12] TraderStefan : yep, let's hope it continues
[2016-11-06 08:37:41] RoftheN : Woaw. ETH hashrate halved since Zcash, amazing, gonna short ETH some more
[2016-11-06 08:51:05] CapitalGains : RoftheN: Are you still long on ZEC? How confident are you? I'm not liking the order book.
[2016-11-06 08:51:53] RoftheN : I think that it will follow Poloniex, and I really think there will be a poloniex pump after it goes down some more
[2016-11-06 08:52:17] RoftheN : Some rich bagholders can't possibly be satisfied
[2016-11-06 09:28:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 826 @ 707.17
[2016-11-06 09:29:38] chromaticcr1 : come on stop spamming
[2016-11-06 09:30:17] chromaticcr1 : 1 contract xbtusd order...
[2016-11-06 09:35:50] hazir : My liquidation price for zcash changed from 1.3 btc to 0.28 for no apparent reason. Help?
[2016-11-06 09:36:13] hazir : Didnt change account balance ...
[2016-11-06 09:36:26] habibi : hazir: thank u for that info
[2016-11-06 09:36:29] habibi : lets try it out
[2016-11-06 09:36:38] chromaticcr1 : lol
[2016-11-06 09:36:59] hazir : I only have 1 contract habibi
[2016-11-06 09:37:04] chromaticcr1 : did you placed some orders or have other position?
[2016-11-06 09:37:07] habibi : hazir: just kidding, too much risk to go there thru asks
[2016-11-06 09:37:33] chromaticcr1 : habibi: yeah hidden ask everywhere
[2016-11-06 09:38:23] chromaticcr1 : or mistakenly press the leverage sidebar, and moved yourself out of "Cross" leveraged position?
[2016-11-06 09:38:33] hazir : Nope chromaticc1. Nothin'. Maybe its the market. Toneshort's probably. ..
[2016-11-06 09:38:44] hazir : Hu thankx checking
[2016-11-06 09:40:13] hazir : Yes. Thank you. Im retarded. This
[2016-11-06 09:40:40] hazir : chat is a log to my idioticy
[2016-11-06 09:40:51] hazir : <3
[2016-11-06 09:42:15] hazir : I butt leveraged.
[2016-11-06 09:47:42] micmix : yes, you have to be in cross to lose all your wallet balance at once. if you're on fixed margin you will lose bit by bit, it takes too long
[2016-11-06 09:55:07] chromaticcr1 : put urself on cross like jesus ;)
[2016-11-06 10:08:25] raver36 : hey guys
[2016-11-06 10:08:29] chromaticcr1 : yo
[2016-11-06 10:08:38] raver36 : I'm seeking for get rich quick scheme
[2016-11-06 10:08:43] raver36 : ideas?
[2016-11-06 10:09:08] CapitalGains : 100x leverage position with your entire portfolio
[2016-11-06 10:09:16] CapitalGains : Just get it right
[2016-11-06 10:09:43] CapitalGains : Otherwise it's a get broke quick scheme
[2016-11-06 10:10:31] chromaticcr1 : going long on ZEC
[2016-11-06 10:10:51] chromaticcr1 : so far low from market price!!! :shipit:
[2016-11-06 10:11:38] raver36 : chromaticcr1: I'm willing to go short
[2016-11-06 10:18:25] anonymous789 : is there a higher fee for higher leverage?
[2016-11-06 10:19:02] chromaticcr1 : no
[2016-11-06 10:19:11] anonymous789 : okay thanks
[2016-11-06 10:19:40] micmix : no, fee is based on trade size, leverage doesn't matter
[2016-11-06 10:19:52] anonymous789 : aah cool thanks
[2016-11-06 10:30:37] raver36 : what does cross mean in the leverage tab?
[2016-11-06 10:31:05] raver36 : and how is it different from '1x'?
[2016-11-06 10:36:58] habibi : raver36: u think it would be the same if Jesus would die on 1x instead cross?
[2016-11-06 10:37:23] raver36 : I'm just asking, what 'cross' means
[2016-11-06 10:37:35] raver36 : It's obvious that it is the 100x leverage
[2016-11-06 10:38:13] raver36 : And, also, why it is the default option
[2016-11-06 10:39:19] l3f : raver36: cross means "just fuck my shit up if I get liquidated"
[2016-11-06 10:40:22] lockhedge : raver36: Cross Margin: Margin is shared between open positions. When needed, a position will draw more margin from the total account balance to avoid liquidation. Isolated Margin: Margin assigned to a position is restricted to a certain amount. If the margin falls below the Maintenance Margin level, the position is liquidated. However, you can add and remove margin at will under this method. https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-11-06 10:41:03] raver36 : lockhedge: Thank you!
[2016-11-06 10:55:00] raver36 : In this formula, for the final funding rate calculation:
[2016-11-06 10:55:02] raver36 : Funding Rate (F) = Premium Index (P) + clamp(Interest Rate (I) - Premium Index (P), 0.05%, -0.05%)
[2016-11-06 10:55:23] raver36 : What does 'clamp' mean?
[2016-11-06 11:00:15] zcashequalslambo : where is this wall on 222000 from
[2016-11-06 11:00:53] kingkrung : zcashequalslambo: somebody has to sell, because he will be otherwise liquitated?
[2016-11-06 11:01:18] zcashequalslambo : zcash is dropping hard on poloniex
[2016-11-06 11:01:18] kingkrung : zcashequalslambo: buy I mean
[2016-11-06 11:01:39] kingkrung : or what do you think?
[2016-11-06 11:01:41] chromaticcr1 : lol 253 buy order 0.222
[2016-11-06 11:01:47] zcashequalslambo : how the hell he needs to buy
[2016-11-06 11:01:50] zcashequalslambo : when its dropping
[2016-11-06 11:02:13] zcashequalslambo : please explain
[2016-11-06 11:02:37] kingkrung : zcashequalslambo: ok, different. he tries to keep the price up buy selling high?
[2016-11-06 11:03:23] kingkrung : sorry. by buying in more?
[2016-11-06 11:03:30] zcashequalslambo : isnt the contract linked to the price on poloniex?
[2016-11-06 11:04:28] kingkrung : no, its not directly. the contract is the price of a zec on 31.12.2016. its not linked directly.
[2016-11-06 11:07:37] kingkrung : polo is just used to calc some margin, I do not fully understand this either
[2016-11-06 11:09:22] zcashequalslambo : alright
[2016-11-06 11:09:52] zcashequalslambo : how do you view upcoming elections? do oyu think altcoins as well as bitcoin will drop? since they are viewed as rather risky assets
[2016-11-06 11:09:57] zcashequalslambo : esp alctoins
[2016-11-06 11:17:53] NL007 : chromaticcr1: he run away
[2016-11-06 11:18:08] chromaticcr1 : boo!
[2016-11-06 11:18:58] NL007 : Zec will go below 0.1
[2016-11-06 11:19:56] NL007 : buy support is slowy being moved down
[2016-11-06 11:35:13] zcashequalslambo : on polo its falling but here its going down haha
[2016-11-06 11:35:21] zcashequalslambo : going ujp*
[2016-11-06 11:35:58] zcashequalslambo : soon breaks atl
[2016-11-06 11:55:37] shiroe : can u even profit on zec at x2? why not try x100 xbt instead. lol
[2016-11-06 12:00:45] shiroe : That 0.2335%
[2016-11-06 12:01:08] shiroe : good time to long xbt? :P
[2016-11-06 12:03:32] RoftheN : ooh what's this
[2016-11-06 12:04:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.201923
[2016-11-06 12:04:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.213530
[2016-11-06 12:05:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 26 @ 0.184341
[2016-11-06 12:05:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 0.181500
[2016-11-06 12:05:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 4 @ 0.184339
[2016-11-06 12:06:04] RoftheN : how strange
[2016-11-06 12:06:24] zcashequalslambo : meh
[2016-11-06 12:06:33] zcashequalslambo : should havbe set lower short price
[2016-11-06 12:06:37] zcashequalslambo : hopefull it recovers
[2016-11-06 12:06:42] zcashequalslambo : wanna jump in short again
[2016-11-06 12:06:48] small fich : hello , do you know how to calculate the funding rate for xbt ?
[2016-11-06 12:08:19] lockhedge : small fich: read "Funding Calculation" here (and follow the links) https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-11-06 12:08:48] RoftheN : Poor 26 guy
[2016-11-06 12:09:24] lockhedge : are rapid and wurst still alive?
[2016-11-06 12:10:39] RoftheN : I'm happy I didn't use x2
[2016-11-06 12:11:00] kradiav : pretty stupid to long zcash without full liq protection
[2016-11-06 12:15:29] RoftheN : 500
[2016-11-06 12:15:43] RoftheN : Guess I'll be safe for liquidation
[2016-11-06 12:16:31] chromaticcr1 : I appreciate thebravery of the 500 guy on zec
[2016-11-06 12:17:54] RoftheN : Wel'l it's possible because of Poloniex will always be 3x higher
[2016-11-06 12:18:47] aethlios : maybe 0.05 a good price to bet on dec. 30
[2016-11-06 12:19:34] RoftheN : Sounds about right, but there will be pumps in between
[2016-11-06 12:19:36] 7658 : 0.015
[2016-11-06 12:20:08] kradiav : we are not even at the half rate of mining that we will have at full speed, we will be for weeks at full speed before the contract settles, way lower than 0.05
[2016-11-06 12:20:22] shiroe : wow 500 order, maybe it was a 500 short position wanna close?