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[2016-11-04 12:01:28] kradiav : cap would be lifted when moving to mark
[2016-11-04 12:01:33] wurstgelee : kradiav: the limit was lifted a while ago.
[2016-11-04 12:01:37] cwfabc : ？？
[2016-11-04 12:01:40] wurstgelee : marking should be effective noew
[2016-11-04 12:01:44] wurstgelee : now
[2016-11-04 12:01:51] wurstgelee : since it isnt, prob a manual process ;)
[2016-11-04 12:01:55] wurstgelee : aaand there it is
[2016-11-04 12:01:57] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-04 12:02:11] thomaskikansha : here it comes
[2016-11-04 12:02:22] thomaskikansha : 0.456773
[2016-11-04 12:02:27] TwinnerD : aaaaand nothing changed
[2016-11-04 12:02:30] wurstgelee : TwinnerD: :D
[2016-11-04 12:02:34] coinrun : lol.
[2016-11-04 12:02:40] aili : give it a few hours
[2016-11-04 12:02:45] aili : it will pump
[2016-11-04 12:02:48] aili : for sure
[2016-11-04 12:02:52] kradiav : lal
[2016-11-04 12:03:04] zecz : marking active now?
[2016-11-04 12:03:05] Kahir : its dumping on polo
[2016-11-04 12:03:05] wurstgelee : no, there wont happen anything dramatic. the influence of marking on the price already happened and is done
[2016-11-04 12:03:11] wurstgelee : when marking was annoucned for today... ;)
[2016-11-04 12:03:29] aili : well
[2016-11-04 12:03:59] aili : decide for youre self)
[2016-11-04 12:04:01] thomaskikansha : seems worth a short
[2016-11-04 12:04:20] thomaskikansha : polo just dumping everything
[2016-11-04 12:04:20] cwfabc : where is the marking price
[2016-11-04 12:04:30] HjP : How is this 0,455571 marking price calculated?
[2016-11-04 12:04:41] thomaskikansha : new lows everywhere
[2016-11-04 12:04:45] billyboy402 : oh coool didnt get charge for settlment
[2016-11-04 12:04:56] zecz : Mark Price should be much higher?
[2016-11-04 12:04:58] wurstgelee : HjP: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ZECZ16
[2016-11-04 12:05:03] zecz : or the calculations on the homepage wrong
[2016-11-04 12:05:23] Kahir : Risk Limit 100 XBT Risk Step 50 XBT
[2016-11-04 12:05:37] thomaskikansha : (0.42+0.495)/2=0.4575
[2016-11-04 12:05:46] thomaskikansha : initial mark price
[2016-11-04 12:05:49] shiroe : there it goes, fctx20
[2016-11-04 12:06:11] Julian : no more perpetual Ethereum contract :(
[2016-11-04 12:06:42] HjP : wurstgelee, I read this. However, mark price should be FairPrice and FairPrice should be Mid Impact Price. However, 0,510648 is not the Impact Price.
[2016-11-04 12:07:06] sleger : yes the 7d futures is gonna be so annoying to reopen every week
[2016-11-04 12:07:19] sleger : plus the MM shows 1% spread !! every week that is a huge penalty
[2016-11-04 12:07:39] Julian : this exchange just gets worse
[2016-11-04 12:07:40] cwfabc : does it lnk to polo?
[2016-11-04 12:07:52] Julian : you also can;t earn any fees off it now either
[2016-11-04 12:07:56] sleger : cwfabc: yes : poloniex.com
[2016-11-04 12:08:00] billyboy402 : sleger: i think it going to drive more user back to polinex then re open
[2016-11-04 12:08:08] sleger : well im reopening on polo now
[2016-11-04 12:08:19] cwfabc : but 0.96 ON POLO
[2016-11-04 12:08:22] wurstgelee : great. way to crowded here lately
[2016-11-04 12:08:26] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 12:08:40] wurstgelee : also go btc btw
[2016-11-04 12:09:28] billyboy402 : the largen market maker alway hold for settlment then after they withdraw there bids on polo and it dumps , just look at the big move on XMR the last 3 friday
[2016-11-04 12:11:07] Julian : I have these weekly contracts
[2016-11-04 12:11:18] sleger : i dont have any
[2016-11-04 12:11:19] aethlios : so news were fake? or low importance?
[2016-11-04 12:11:35] Julian : I am sure it's cheaper for the exhcange but they will lose volume to polo
[2016-11-04 12:11:52] cwfabc : what the 0.438 comes
[2016-11-04 12:12:17] cwfabc : it's 0.97 if it links to polo
[2016-11-04 12:12:21] CapitalGains : The mark price is pretty volatile...
[2016-11-04 12:16:30] cwfabc : then the mark price useless
[2016-11-04 12:16:59] cwfabc : when shoud be a magincall
[2016-11-04 12:18:47] lopol : so how is mark price for zec calculated?
[2016-11-04 12:19:04] lopol : dont link me to references cause i would like more easy explanation
[2016-11-04 12:20:45] BitMEX_Wally : lopol: Basically it tracks the middle of the order book when the book is liquid
[2016-11-04 12:22:07] lopol : ok, but how poloniex price affects to thhhat?
[2016-11-04 12:24:00] cwfabc : I think it shoul be marked from POLO's price,but it did't
[2016-11-04 12:24:10] wurstgelee : i would suggest to dump zec at least to .38 here
[2016-11-04 12:24:58] cwfabc : the mark price is useless now
[2016-11-04 12:25:31] BitMEX_Wally : Currently markPrice = ZEC spot price * 0.4601127
[2016-11-04 12:26:06] wurstgelee : yes, completely useless. please dump ;)
[2016-11-04 12:26:18] BitMEX_Wally : If the order book became wide and illiquid then the mark price would move in step with the spot price at that ratio
[2016-11-04 12:26:37] BitMEX_Wally : But while the order book is liquid it auto adjusts the fair basis rate
[2016-11-04 12:27:02] public username 321 : why is that marking so important? It's only important for settlement, no?
[2016-11-04 12:27:28] Teddy76 : and liquidation
[2016-11-04 12:27:28] BitMEX_Wally : marking is important to ensure liquidations happen
[2016-11-04 12:27:38] BitMEX_Wally : But yes, ultimately ZECZ16 will settle on the ZEC price
[2016-11-04 12:27:49] public username 321 : maybe to calculate margin but honestly, there isn't a free meal here no matter how you look at it
[2016-11-04 12:28:19] public username 321 : people should make sure to be funded and then there isn't an issue with 1% this or that way, no?
[2016-11-04 12:29:18] public username 321 : you can only bet what you have
[2016-11-04 12:29:28] public username 321 : marking doesn't change that
[2016-11-04 12:30:06] public username 321 : right?
[2016-11-04 12:30:50] public username 321 : put in a little btc extra to be safe and all good
[2016-11-04 12:32:25] BitMEX_Wally : With ZECZ16 you have to put in 50% and a 25% move can liquidate you
[2016-11-04 12:32:54] public username 321 : i wouldn't use 2x leverage with such a spread anyways
[2016-11-04 12:33:03] public username 321 : that's dangerous
[2016-11-04 12:33:06] wurstgelee : no, its safe. just short please ;)
[2016-11-04 12:33:15] CapitalGains : I agree ;)
[2016-11-04 12:33:21] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-04 12:33:26] BitMEX_Wally : The max price is now 100 XBT on all alt coins so bid it up guys!
[2016-11-04 12:33:33] public username 321 : lol
[2016-11-04 12:33:56] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: that doesnt seems enough. apparently the now to for alts should be 3300 btc
[2016-11-04 12:33:57] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 12:33:57] kradiav : shame nun :P
[2016-11-04 12:34:00] wurstgelee : *-s
[2016-11-04 12:34:06] wurstgelee : new top...ffs
[2016-11-04 12:34:08] wurstgelee : fsdajnfklsanfdalgnldnlgad
[2016-11-04 12:34:19] BitMEX_Wally : Well, bid it up to 50 XBT and we can talk about raising it :)
[2016-11-04 12:34:39] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-04 12:34:50] public username 321 : you go first ;)
[2016-11-04 12:35:37] CapitalGains : Where am I going to get 50 BTC margin to short at 100 BTC... 5 for 10 BTC was much more doable
[2016-11-04 12:35:44] laisee : Rapid is a believer in price > 10
[2016-11-04 12:36:24] laisee : qait for his lead
[2016-11-04 12:36:51] CapitalGains : If you guys can just bring the price down to 0.2, I promise to start the pump
[2016-11-04 12:39:22] wurstgelee : yep :)
[2016-11-04 12:39:58] CapitalGains : My (hidden) bid is already waiting ;)
[2016-11-04 12:40:06] wurstgelee : go away.
[2016-11-04 12:40:18] wurstgelee : or place them below mine
[2016-11-04 12:40:21] wurstgelee : :]
[2016-11-04 12:40:40] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: Sure thing. Just tell me what your bid is ;)
[2016-11-04 12:40:58] wurstgelee : .301
[2016-11-04 12:41:00] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-04 12:41:33] wurstgelee : roughly
[2016-11-04 12:41:43] wurstgelee : very roughly
[2016-11-04 12:42:12] CapitalGains : Quite safe, I'm well below 0.3 until I free up some extra margin from Polo
[2016-11-04 12:42:23] wurstgelee : and i am not @ .301
[2016-11-04 12:42:24] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 12:43:55] Formiga : it will be fun when I these buys at 0.2-0.3 gets liquidate below
[2016-11-04 12:44:08] public username 321 : done. Finally recovered from my margin call two days ago - that was traumatizing
[2016-11-04 12:44:41] public username 321 : i was liquidated at the top, it did really hurt
[2016-11-04 12:44:48] public username 321 : haha
[2016-11-04 12:45:02] thomaskikansha : seems still manipulatable
[2016-11-04 12:45:03] CapitalGains : Formiga: surely it'll take a while until buys at 0.2 get liquidated? I'm taking no risk though, 1x leverage.
[2016-11-04 12:45:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 700.74
[2016-11-04 12:45:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 494 @ 700.69
[2016-11-04 12:45:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2300 @ 700.72
[2016-11-04 12:45:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1700 @ 700.55
[2016-11-04 12:45:20] CapitalGains : public username 321: What was your position, short around 0.5?
[2016-11-04 12:45:55] public username 321 : CapitalGains: ii was tired and did not react. Like paralyzed. Shorted something like 0.3 before the spike to 1
[2016-11-04 12:46:25] messiaen8844 : sell sell sell, market makers are buying :)
[2016-11-04 12:46:27] public username 321 : was among the highest buyorders. If i only did have 0.1 btc more in the account would not have happened
[2016-11-04 12:46:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 0.373215
[2016-11-04 12:46:37] thomaskikansha : ouch
[2016-11-04 12:46:43] CapitalGains : public username 321: My condolences.
[2016-11-04 12:46:58] public username 321 : it's ok. Made it back. Lost time only
[2016-11-04 12:47:57] public username 321 : don't trade when not fully awake ;)
[2016-11-04 12:48:20] public username 321 : was my lesson learned
[2016-11-04 12:48:33] CapitalGains : I shorted ZEC at 0.085 a few weeks ago
[2016-11-04 12:48:37] public username 321 : should have cut losses
[2016-11-04 12:48:38] CapitalGains : I also learned my lesson!
[2016-11-04 12:49:18] public username 321 : always be ready for the unexpected move against you
[2016-11-04 12:49:28] public username 321 : bloodsport
[2016-11-04 12:51:05] CapitalGains : BitMEX_Wally: When I click to buy at 0.362 on ZEC, it tells me the estimated liquidation price is 0.41. How can the liquidation price be higher than the bid on a long?
[2016-11-04 12:51:32] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry the estimated liquidation price calcs need some work
[2016-11-04 12:51:58] CapitalGains : Does that just apply to the estimations, or also to the liquidations? :O
[2016-11-04 12:52:11] CapitalGains : Because it's very intimidating
[2016-11-04 12:52:25] BitMEX_Wally : Just the frontend estimations
[2016-11-04 12:52:40] BitMEX_Wally : The actual liquidation price shown comes from the engine
[2016-11-04 12:52:55] BitMEX_Wally : I'm working on fixing it
[2016-11-04 12:53:07] CapitalGains : OK thanks. I'll take your word for it.
[2016-11-04 12:55:09] VitalikButerin : 16-week cup and handle forming on Huobi for BTC. Target: 979 USD
[2016-11-04 12:56:01] kradiav : selling...
[2016-11-04 12:56:27] CapitalGains : VitalikButerin: Any links to a chart?
[2016-11-04 12:56:34] sleger : VitalikButerin: 979 usd per eth ?
[2016-11-04 12:56:36] sleger : nice :D
[2016-11-04 12:57:24] VitalikButerin : sleger: 979 USD per bitcoin.
[2016-11-04 12:57:26] VitalikButerin : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/GiE9cPwb-Bitcoin-4w-forecast/
[2016-11-04 12:57:32] VitalikButerin : Now we just need volume to confirm the breakout.
[2016-11-04 12:57:54] kradiav : thx Vitalik (still selling more BTC...)
[2016-11-04 13:00:22] CapitalGains : Спасибо ВБ
[2016-11-04 13:01:11] mjones : zcash down
[2016-11-04 13:01:20] VitalikButerin : CapitalGains: No worries.
[2016-11-04 13:01:30] VitalikButerin : Great time to go 50x long on BTC.
[2016-11-04 13:02:25] kradiav : come on guys fill @CapitalGains and @wurstgelee 's bids
[2016-11-04 13:02:29] mjones : 20x long on xmr time
[2016-11-04 13:03:36] wurstgelee : kradiav: 20% done, keep up the good work ;)
[2016-11-04 13:03:41] wurstgelee : appreciate it
[2016-11-04 13:04:01] kradiav : there you go
[2016-11-04 13:04:16] wurstgelee : nope, not my order :/
[2016-11-04 13:11:02] kradiav : it will be so fun as we get close to settlement and ppl start to close while deep red
[2016-11-04 13:14:26] wurstgelee : dozens of people have told me at least a 50 times that longing zec is a bad idea and that i will get rekt.
[2016-11-04 13:14:33] wurstgelee : so far this hasnt even happened once
[2016-11-04 13:14:44] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: Do you use 2x?
[2016-11-04 13:14:49] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-11-04 13:14:59] wurstgelee : 1x for safety ;)
[2016-11-04 13:15:07] CapitalGains : The only way :)
[2016-11-04 13:15:11] laisee : wurstgelee: ADL 4 times on ZEC, no REKT till now
[2016-11-04 13:15:18] wurstgelee : laisee: same
[2016-11-04 13:15:36] public username 321 : yeah, problem with shorts is: no limit for losses
[2016-11-04 13:15:41] CapitalGains : You can't be REKT on 1x long as far as I know.
[2016-11-04 13:15:53] wurstgelee : also riduculous gains with those longs ;)
[2016-11-04 13:15:57] wurstgelee : *ridi
[2016-11-04 13:16:30] laisee : nice gains, for sure
[2016-11-04 13:16:38] CapitalGains : I think there's a positive feedback system with the lower risk of 1x longs and the higher risk of shorts. A feedback system which favors the longs.
[2016-11-04 13:16:47] CapitalGains : For now.
[2016-11-04 13:16:49] wurstgelee : nope, ridiculous. really ridiculous. ;)
[2016-11-04 13:17:16] laisee : youre typing this from your new G5?
[2016-11-04 13:17:30] wurstgelee : never had a single apple product iirc
[2016-11-04 13:18:01] laisee : Gulfstream/G5 - guess u travel business class
[2016-11-04 13:18:13] laisee : ;-)
[2016-11-04 13:18:15] wurstgelee : oh lol
[2016-11-04 13:18:18] wurstgelee : k
[2016-11-04 13:18:18] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 13:19:01] CapitalGains : VitalikButerin: I actually decided to go 100x long on BTC, but with a small amount and isolated margin :P as an experiment
[2016-11-04 13:19:57] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: so its now 70x or sth?
[2016-11-04 13:20:14] CapitalGains : 63x
[2016-11-04 13:20:25] CapitalGains : All 5 ADL lights on, sigh
[2016-11-04 13:20:30] wurstgelee : not far to 50x
[2016-11-04 13:20:45] wurstgelee : thats the lazy way...i use 50x as safety switch
[2016-11-04 13:20:56] CapitalGains : Explain?
[2016-11-04 13:21:06] CapitalGains : Reduce margin at 50%?
[2016-11-04 13:21:24] wurstgelee : too volatile atm.... also i am at work so i dont check for 30 mins sometimes...
[2016-11-04 13:21:27] wurstgelee : thats a lot curreently
[2016-11-04 13:21:38] wurstgelee : high volatility
[2016-11-04 13:22:01] wurstgelee : so 50x is my risk limit (margin llimit) and margin call my stop loss ;)
[2016-11-04 13:22:49] CapitalGains : I'm just playing with 0.01 BTC, there's no real stress
[2016-11-04 13:22:51] wurstgelee : i have some stop limits ofc but those usually dont get triggered if it dumps or pumps more than 10 cny...
[2016-11-04 13:23:17] wurstgelee : well, they get triggered but not executed
[2016-11-04 13:24:05] wurstgelee : i am aware this is far from perfect but it works hand in hand with me being lazy ;)
[2016-11-04 13:24:48] wurstgelee : also GO BTC
[2016-11-04 13:26:56] CapitalGains : 2 things I'd like for Christmas (or earlier): BTC ATH, ZEC ATL
[2016-11-04 13:27:31] kradiav : CapitalGains: +1
[2016-11-04 13:30:20] CapitalGains : wurstgelee and other ZEC longers at current prices - any of you plan to actually buy some ZEC on Polo at any stage?
[2016-11-04 13:30:39] CapitalGains : Like, a few months time
[2016-11-04 13:30:48] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: depend on price
[2016-11-04 13:30:55] arbitrage001 : premium vs discount compare to here
[2016-11-04 13:31:21] chromaticcr1 : made real by Arthur's wishes in the Blog, trump being president and fed raising rate, perhaps USDCNY goes 7 too
[2016-11-04 13:31:25] arbitrage001 : if spread is large enough, arbitrage position alone will do
[2016-11-04 13:32:46] VitalikButerin : Expect btc to test 1400 USD by mid 2017.
[2016-11-04 13:33:28] arbitrage001 : Expect btc to test 1400 USD by 3017.
[2016-11-04 13:33:40] CapitalGains : :D
[2016-11-04 13:33:40] arbitrage001 : Expect btc to test 0 USD by mid 2017.
[2016-11-04 13:35:54] sleger : VitalikButerin: how do I withdraw all ETH I made on the swap ?
[2016-11-04 13:36:20] kradiav : sleger: you can't ETH has a broken network /t :D
[2016-11-04 13:37:23] VitalikButerin : kradiav: We are working on fixing all current network issues ASAP.
[2016-11-04 13:37:32] arbitrage001 : kradiav: we will create a new chain every time we have a problem
[2016-11-04 13:37:36] sleger : how many hard forks ?
[2016-11-04 13:37:48] arbitrage001 : sleger: infinity
[2016-11-04 13:37:58] VitalikButerin : sleger: We have one hardfork planned within the foreseeable future.
[2016-11-04 13:38:00] sleger : that's gonna be a lot of new coins on polo
[2016-11-04 13:38:17] public username 321 : VitalikButerin: so it will be "at the very minimum one"
[2016-11-04 13:38:20] arbitrage001 : good for polo to generate commision
[2016-11-04 13:38:50] public username 321 : ;p
[2016-11-04 13:38:57] sleger : Bad judgment polo. So sad
[2016-11-04 13:39:03] VitalikButerin : public username 321: We do not intend on having more than one hardfork this year, and even if we do, it will not result in a split chain.
[2016-11-04 13:39:19] public username 321 : VitalikButerin: are you the real vbuterin?
[2016-11-04 13:39:32] VitalikButerin : public username 321: Last I checked :)
[2016-11-04 13:39:56] public username 321 : VitalikButerin: split chain is only an issue if you do other fixes than pure technical in case you did not notice
[2016-11-04 13:40:30] VitalikButerin : public username 321: Precisely. All of our future updates will merely be technical updates and patches; the ETC situation will not be repeated.
[2016-11-04 13:40:31] public username 321 : don't mess with account balance and people won't fork a second coin imo
[2016-11-04 13:41:06] kradiav : still Zcash bumping!!! closing my shorts
[2016-11-04 13:41:09] kradiav : shit*
[2016-11-04 13:41:12] public username 321 : was a big mistake to fix dao like that
[2016-11-04 13:41:40] sleger : public username 321: that is your opinion, but MOST people disagree, even amongst those who did not touch dao
[2016-11-04 13:42:28] arbitrage001 : people should not touch dao
[2016-11-04 13:42:39] public username 321 : sleger: i think if they had eaten it up they would have had less damage in the long run
[2016-11-04 13:42:42] arbitrage001 : then expect a bail out
[2016-11-04 13:42:44] rapidtrades : kradiav: ahahahha
[2016-11-04 13:42:50] rapidtrades : another bites the dust
[2016-11-04 13:43:02] public username 321 : they should just have bought the dump
[2016-11-04 13:43:19] rapidtrades : if u asked ppl where would zcash be 1 week after launch, how many would say 1 BTC?
[2016-11-04 13:43:26] rapidtrades : think about that gentlemen
[2016-11-04 13:43:30] sleger : rapidtrades: if ZEC goes up i will put a sell wall at 2.999
[2016-11-04 13:43:31] public username 321 : sure, just my 2 cents
[2016-11-04 13:43:43] rapidtrades : sleger: do it
[2016-11-04 13:44:05] messiaen8844 : joining you sledger :D
[2016-11-04 13:44:11] VitalikButerin : Current longs: BTC, XMR.
[2016-11-04 13:44:18] messiaen8844 : but it won't go anywhere near that
[2016-11-04 13:44:20] arbitrage001 : was planning to hold my zcash till 2 btc
[2016-11-04 13:44:32] arbitrage001 : expect a bump down the road
[2016-11-04 13:44:37] arbitrage001 : or two
[2016-11-04 13:44:52] rapidtrades : VitalikButerin: any thoughts on ZEC?
[2016-11-04 13:45:03] CapitalGains : kradiav: What price are you shorting at, or did you close already?
[2016-11-04 13:46:06] VitalikButerin : rapidtrades: I have no current position in ZEC nor do I intend to. The volatility makes it unattractive as I cannot discern whether the price is about to move up or down. Good luck with your trades :)
[2016-11-04 13:46:56] Rado : 666 users
[2016-11-04 13:47:17] wurstgelee : gawd wtf. i leave u alone for a few minutes and u all stop dumping ffs
[2016-11-04 13:47:22] Chumba : sleger: I will buy your 2.999 and push past. success!
[2016-11-04 13:47:30] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: did you get filled?
[2016-11-04 13:47:37] rapidtrades : Chumba: thx
[2016-11-04 13:47:41] wurstgelee : some
[2016-11-04 13:47:43] wurstgelee : but not enough
[2016-11-04 13:47:48] arbitrage001 : i set my bid too low i think
[2016-11-04 13:47:52] arbitrage001 : 0.1
[2016-11-04 13:48:00] wurstgelee : thats too low probably ;)
[2016-11-04 13:48:01] rapidtrades : no shit
[2016-11-04 13:48:36] rapidtrades : fair basis rate -400%
[2016-11-04 13:48:46] rapidtrades : that's smth
[2016-11-04 13:48:56] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: yea buy more, baby
[2016-11-04 13:49:01] rapidtrades : that's per annum right?
[2016-11-04 13:49:10] arbitrage001 : have some ask at 0.7 also
[2016-11-04 13:49:57] Rado : what are you guys talking about
[2016-11-04 13:50:08] Rado : you expect XEC to go up?
[2016-11-04 13:50:13] rapidtrades : don't worry about it shortie
[2016-11-04 13:50:17] arbitrage001 : Rado: yes
[2016-11-04 13:50:22] Rado : why?
[2016-11-04 13:50:29] sleger : XEC is the new ZEC
[2016-11-04 13:50:30] Rado : anything I don't know about?
[2016-11-04 13:50:37] Rado : hey sleger
[2016-11-04 13:50:59] rapidtrades : it's at 60%
[2016-11-04 13:51:01] Rado : Is sledger imposter or your other account?
[2016-11-04 13:51:03] arbitrage001 : Rado: any good reason why you are shorting?
[2016-11-04 13:51:05] rapidtrades : what more u do need greedy
[2016-11-04 13:51:21] Rado : arbitrage001: yes, the supply will increase 100x
[2016-11-04 13:51:47] arbitrage001 : Rado: i dont agree with more supply will depress price
[2016-11-04 13:51:47] sleger : Rado: he is my friend
[2016-11-04 13:51:56] arbitrage001 : so i bet against this hypothesis
[2016-11-04 13:52:02] Rado : sleger: cool
[2016-11-04 13:52:16] public username 321 : lower highs in any case
[2016-11-04 13:52:38] arbitrage001 : beside, i am trading, not investing
[2016-11-04 13:52:39] Rado : arbitrage001: that might be true, but that doesn't mean the price will not go down for a different reason
[2016-11-04 13:52:51] CapitalGains : Guys I have to go out for the rest of the evening. I have 2 favours: Keep the BTC price above 695, and push the ZEC price below 0.3. Thanks. Bye for now.
[2016-11-04 13:52:55] arbitrage001 : should the price spike momentary, i will get out
[2016-11-04 13:52:56] Rado : why is ZEC worth the same as BTC?
[2016-11-04 13:53:04] Rado : the only thing going for it is anonymity
[2016-11-04 13:53:10] public username 321 : Rado: because soon it's not
[2016-11-04 13:53:12] messiaen8844 : aparently, people believe it has a $11b market cap in the future :)
[2016-11-04 13:53:29] messiaen8844 : are you guys aware of the non-reward zerocash fork?
[2016-11-04 13:53:31] Chumba : Why did Bitcoin go to 1000+?
[2016-11-04 13:53:40] laisee : Capital gains: gonna leave some moolah to execute ur orders with?
[2016-11-04 13:53:47] Rado : messiaen8844: delusional people
[2016-11-04 13:53:53] Chumba : or rather a few $ to $1000 in less than 18 months
[2016-11-04 13:54:03] arbitrage001 : i am trader, not investor
[2016-11-04 13:54:10] arbitrage001 : dont care about fundamental
[2016-11-04 13:54:15] rapidtrades : Rado: u could all us delusional last Friday, not today
[2016-11-04 13:54:29] rapidtrades : I agree with arbitrage, fundamentals suck
[2016-11-04 13:54:29] Chumba : there is no trading, its gambling
[2016-11-04 13:54:33] arbitrage001 : only care about other trader's mindset
[2016-11-04 13:54:35] Rado : arbitrage001: agreed
[2016-11-04 13:55:00] Rado : Chumba: many people here make this argument. I don't see them next week
[2016-11-04 13:55:12] Rado : If you think it's gabling you will lose everything
[2016-11-04 13:55:22] rapidtrades : think about this way...u get 150% return on ur investment if prices on polo just stay where they are
[2016-11-04 13:55:46] Rado : rapidtrades: have you seen what alts did this year
[2016-11-04 13:55:54] rapidtrades : go on a tear?
[2016-11-04 13:55:54] Rado : almost all of them are down 70%
[2016-11-04 13:56:03] public username 321 : if you don't know fundamentals you're unable to tell when the market is irrational
[2016-11-04 13:56:09] arbitrage001 : Rado: eth still doing extremely well
[2016-11-04 13:56:13] arbitrage001 : compare to jan
[2016-11-04 13:56:17] arbitrage001 : wish i invest
[2016-11-04 13:56:24] arbitrage001 : but i am not investor like i said
[2016-11-04 13:56:32] arbitrage001 : only a puny trader
[2016-11-04 13:56:36] CapitalGains : laisee: my bids are waiting.
[2016-11-04 13:56:42] rapidtrades : This is still a bull market for alts, especially anoncoins
[2016-11-04 13:57:20] public username 321 : arbitrage001: it's more work for sure but your edge is better if you put in extra research imo
[2016-11-04 13:57:23] Rado : rapidtrades: In that case you should invest in XMR
[2016-11-04 13:57:28] Rado : much better coin than ZEC
[2016-11-04 13:57:33] rapidtrades : that's dead
[2016-11-04 13:57:39] Rado : ZEC is hyped
[2016-11-04 13:57:47] rapidtrades : no shit it's hyped
[2016-11-04 13:58:07] Rado : let me find an article for you
[2016-11-04 13:58:13] arbitrage001 : which coin isn't hyped?
[2016-11-04 13:58:13] rapidtrades : i couldn't tell by the fact all major exchanges had it on launch day
[2016-11-04 13:58:27] arbitrage001 : btc isnt byped?
[2016-11-04 13:58:28] public username 321 : arbitrage001: all the coins on the exchanges nobody goes to
[2016-11-04 13:58:28] rapidtrades : and it had futures 1 month before launch
[2016-11-04 13:59:12] Rado : arbitrage001: you are very close to crypto. Most people don't even know what BTC is
[2016-11-04 13:59:20] public username 321 : terracoin might be worth a look? Maybe it gets relisted?
[2016-11-04 13:59:32] Rado : compared to Gold or other markets BTC has a very small chunk
[2016-11-04 13:59:47] public username 321 : feathercoin looks like bottom - vertcoin the same
[2016-11-04 14:00:09] sleger : public username 321: are you related to jung1 ?
[2016-11-04 14:00:21] public username 321 : no, who's that?
[2016-11-04 14:00:31] sleger : someone who has the same passion as you do for shitcoins
[2016-11-04 14:00:35] rapidtrades : sleger: where is jung1? we need his expertise here
[2016-11-04 14:00:47] public username 321 : sleger: i guess i'm not the only one ;D
[2016-11-04 14:00:58] sleger : idk, but long factum lisk etc... probably didnt make it well
[2016-11-04 14:01:21] public username 321 : ico is toxic waste after the first pump
[2016-11-04 14:01:24] rapidtrades : assume busto whenever ppl stop showing up here
[2016-11-04 14:01:40] wurstgelee : where are the zec shorters?
[2016-11-04 14:01:43] wurstgelee : never here if u need them
[2016-11-04 14:01:45] Rado : rapidtrades: that's a safe assumption
[2016-11-04 14:01:48] rapidtrades : that's why I think hajibi went busto during that BTC rally to 800
[2016-11-04 14:02:25] Rado : rapidtrades: habibi was short?
[2016-11-04 14:02:42] rapidtrades : we was gone for a few weeks and said 'holiday' when he came back
[2016-11-04 14:03:07] rapidtrades : who takes a holiday at start of June
[2016-11-04 14:03:24] sleger : who doesnt have internet during holidays
[2016-11-04 14:03:32] Rado : lol
[2016-11-04 14:03:33] rapidtrades : yeah wtf
[2016-11-04 14:08:57] Rado : which exchange will be first to have ZEC on margin?
[2016-11-04 14:09:15] Rado : Did Bitfinex ever list ZEC?
[2016-11-04 14:09:25] Rado : They said they will
[2016-11-04 14:09:38] NL007 : Rado: they did
[2016-11-04 14:09:53] Rado : NL007: thanks
[2016-11-04 14:09:55] BitMEX_Greg : I don't think any exchange has it on margin yet
[2016-11-04 14:10:07] Rado : rapidtrades: did you see Bitfinex do maintenance in the middle of the BTC dump
[2016-11-04 14:10:12] NL007 : BitMEX_Greg: bitfinex has it
[2016-11-04 14:10:24] BitMEX_Greg : NL007: actual margin trading for it?
[2016-11-04 14:10:35] Rado : how can a 24H market exchange afford to have downtime
[2016-11-04 14:10:39] Rado : crazy
[2016-11-04 14:11:10] BitMEX_Greg : I don't see a funding market for ZEC yet
[2016-11-04 14:11:25] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: I was asking if they listed it
[2016-11-04 14:11:27] Rado : he said yes
[2016-11-04 14:11:51] Rado : we know no one has it on margin yet
[2016-11-04 14:12:06] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah but my point was that it wasn't available on margin, and he told me bitfinex has it
[2016-11-04 14:13:20] Rado : I think he meant in terms of has it as listed
[2016-11-04 14:14:09] NL007 : its listed
[2016-11-04 14:14:09] rapidtrades : i rly hope its not bitfinex cos im not going back there
[2016-11-04 14:14:29] NL007 : margin i am not sure
[2016-11-04 14:14:54] NL007 : my bitfinex account is doing some strange things
[2016-11-04 14:15:30] rapidtrades : no rly? on bitfinex?
[2016-11-04 14:19:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 700.25
[2016-11-04 14:19:42] Rado : there is no margin for ZEC on Bitfinex
[2016-11-04 14:19:46] Rado : only available on exchange
[2016-11-04 14:19:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 698.85
[2016-11-04 14:19:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2910 @ 699.84
[2016-11-04 14:20:19] BitMEX_Greg : Only place for leveraged trading is here for ZEC :)
[2016-11-04 14:20:53] rapidtrades : yeah but we need margin to arb this
[2016-11-04 14:21:03] NL007 : BitMEX_Greg: ok
[2016-11-04 14:21:36] rapidtrades : smone said kraken lists coins on margin 1 week later, which would be today
[2016-11-04 14:21:50] sleger : margin doesnt mean you can arb this
[2016-11-04 14:21:57] rapidtrades : but if u go to their fees page, there's only rollover fees for BTC.LTC and ETH
[2016-11-04 14:22:03] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah, you would just sell it if you could mine it
[2016-11-04 14:22:03] Rado : China lower than USD exchanges now for BTC
[2016-11-04 14:22:11] rapidtrades : so it doesn't seem like they offer margin for all coins
[2016-11-04 14:23:29] Rado : anyone confirmed a real article about China capital controls on BTC?
[2016-11-04 14:23:38] sleger : nothing else
[2016-11-04 14:24:02] sleger : even if true it probably wont have any material impact
[2016-11-04 14:24:05] rapidtrades : Rado: is that screenshot for bloomberg termila not even
[2016-11-04 14:24:10] rapidtrades : sleger: yes it will
[2016-11-04 14:24:14] wurstgelee : lol...yah..that screenshot
[2016-11-04 14:24:22] Rado : sleger: some guy was speculating that the dump was a way to margin call customers on Chinese exchanges
[2016-11-04 14:24:55] rapidtrades : impact will prolly be smaller then that ban few years ago tho
[2016-11-04 14:25:24] rapidtrades : i think market doesn't believe it yet
[2016-11-04 14:25:24] Rado : US election will have a bigger impact
[2016-11-04 14:25:25] wurstgelee : again: china will do nothing to sacrifice it's powerful position in btc.
[2016-11-04 14:25:34] rapidtrades : Rado: no it wont
[2016-11-04 14:25:44] Rado : it will if Trump wins
[2016-11-04 14:25:49] rapidtrades : it won't
[2016-11-04 14:25:53] wurstgelee : u election will be inetresting regardings btc, stocks etc. ..
[2016-11-04 14:25:55] Rado : we shall see
[2016-11-04 14:26:10] rapidtrades : idiots will knee-jerk like they did on Brexit, and the gains will be lost in the next week
[2016-11-04 14:26:13] wurstgelee : sleepless night probably if result utrns out to be "interesting"
[2016-11-04 14:26:14] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-11-04 14:26:16] NL007 : who are us residents?
[2016-11-04 14:26:38] wurstgelee : noone here i guess
[2016-11-04 14:26:43] wurstgelee : since bitmex doesnt allow them ;)
[2016-11-04 14:26:47] rapidtrades : officially just the admins
[2016-11-04 14:27:21] Rado : sally is from US state called Nigeria
[2016-11-04 14:27:23] Rado : lol
[2016-11-04 14:27:29] NL007 : lol
[2016-11-04 14:27:29] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-04 14:28:05] rapidtrades : she's prolly looking through every Yoga joint in HK
[2016-11-04 14:28:21] NL007 : on internet you can be anybody
[2016-11-04 14:28:43] BitMEX_Greg : sal**t**y
[2016-11-04 14:31:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 24000 @ 695.37 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-04 14:32:20] wurstgelee : gawd, that lagging... :/
[2016-11-04 14:32:58] sleger : a dump without seeing 666 wouldnt be a real dump
[2016-11-04 14:33:07] mjones : lag not fixed?
[2016-11-04 14:33:27] wurstgelee : obviously not
[2016-11-04 14:33:36] wurstgelee : as soon as we move a few $, its lagging af
[2016-11-04 14:33:38] rapidtrades : we're all dead
[2016-11-04 14:33:59] mjones : makes trading more fun when it lags. will i lose a little or a lot!
[2016-11-04 14:34:04] Tetsuo : XMR & ETH ready to launch!
[2016-11-04 14:34:28] mjones : you think
[2016-11-04 14:35:10] laisee : Any reasons?
[2016-11-04 14:35:23] mjones : xmr going up
[2016-11-04 14:35:49] mjones : eth going up
[2016-11-04 14:36:01] rapidtrades : cmon ZEC
[2016-11-04 14:36:27] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: any ETA on that lag fix? :|
[2016-11-04 14:37:19] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: what do you see lagging? the chatbox or the site?
[2016-11-04 14:37:28] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: u must be new here
[2016-11-04 14:37:44] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: the site becomes basically useless during bigger movements and especially if liquidations happen
[2016-11-04 14:37:48] wurstgelee : u know that tho ;)
[2016-11-04 14:37:51] BitMEX_Greg : I don't trade so I am unsure of the lag on the frontend
[2016-11-04 14:38:11] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Greg: it's not the frontend
[2016-11-04 14:38:11] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: it goess as far as "socket timeout" popups and orders not getting executed...
[2016-11-04 14:38:20] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: wally knows what the problem is and is working on a fix
[2016-11-04 14:38:21] BitMEX_Sam : I'm looking through the logs, I believe it's on the matching side
[2016-11-04 14:38:27] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: afaik its related to extensive liquidation checks
[2016-11-04 14:38:29] habibi : orderbooks are not loading until refresh as well
[2016-11-04 14:38:36] sleger : wurstgelee: yes this is it
[2016-11-04 14:38:41] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: it also happens if NO liquidations happen
[2016-11-04 14:38:48] wurstgelee : so matching more liekly imo ;)
[2016-11-04 14:38:59] wurstgelee : likely...than due to liquidation checks
[2016-11-04 14:39:09] habibi : so many good opportunities lost yday coz of that :(
[2016-11-04 14:39:11] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Sam: we had "massive" liquidation yesturday and that cause huge lag spike
[2016-11-04 14:39:25] BitMEX_Greg : ok thanks for the info
[2016-11-04 14:39:33] wurstgelee : habibi: yep.... if u want to hammer in orders the most, it just doesnt werk :|
[2016-11-04 14:39:55] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: its also happening if no liquidations occur
[2016-11-04 14:39:57] Tetsuo : my feeling about the lags : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_R5pXKx1X4&feature=youtu.be&t=16s
[2016-11-04 14:40:04] wurstgelee : its happening if a lot of orders get executed
[2016-11-04 14:40:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 282 @ 0.007117
[2016-11-04 14:40:08] wurstgelee : doesnt need liquidation
[2016-11-04 14:40:11] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: yes, good point
[2016-11-04 14:40:36] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: Sams "beliefs" regarding matching enigne mak sense ;)
[2016-11-04 14:40:42] wurstgelee : *eeeeeee
[2016-11-04 14:40:49] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: yes sir
[2016-11-04 14:40:57] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: or miss :P
[2016-11-04 14:41:05] wurstgelee : ha
[2016-11-04 14:41:38] mjones : long xmr at 0.007181 and get margin called at 0.007002 on 20x. let the fun begin
[2016-11-04 14:41:53] VitalikButerin : Time to long btc
[2016-11-04 14:42:12] wurstgelee : VitalikButerin: gl
[2016-11-04 14:42:36] mjones : i'll long btc when it hits 4400 CNY
[2016-11-04 14:42:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 700 @ 694.11
[2016-11-04 14:43:00] mjones : i should have shorted at $702 tho
[2016-11-04 14:43:54] wurstgelee : i would try longing 4500 with a 50x safety and 4400 tbh
[2016-11-04 14:43:54] wurstgelee : both
[2016-11-04 14:44:00] Rado : mjones: it's difficult to predict the direction right now
[2016-11-04 14:44:00] wurstgelee : 4500 for posible double bottom ;)
[2016-11-04 14:44:03] wurstgelee : *S
[2016-11-04 14:44:19] Rado : consolidation after the dump is most likely
[2016-11-04 14:44:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7000 @ 693.59
[2016-11-04 14:44:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 693.46
[2016-11-04 14:45:09] martinium : with more bad news this can retest complete run can test 630
[2016-11-04 14:45:14] wurstgelee : i will short they said. i will dump on u they said.
[2016-11-04 14:45:19] wurstgelee : scared thy are :|
[2016-11-04 14:49:17] mjones : looks like double bottom for now till someone sells btc to a new low
[2016-11-04 14:50:32] laisee : Trump wins and its all over
[2016-11-04 14:50:57] Rado : laisee: all over?
[2016-11-04 14:52:06] CapitalGains : Guys, I turn my back for 15 minutes and you let BTC drop below 695... I'm disappointed ;)
[2016-11-04 14:52:43] CapitalGains : My first REKT ever :)
[2016-11-04 14:53:06] Rado : CapitalGains: which one was yours?
[2016-11-04 14:53:27] CapitalGains : Only 700, a loss of 0.01 BTC, no biggie fortunately.
[2016-11-04 14:53:54] CapitalGains : I was just playing around to get a feel for things. Lesson learned - don't EVER turn your back on a 100x position. Without stop limits.