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[2016-11-04 01:19:02] sleger : that or you cant substract
[2016-11-04 01:19:06] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah kind of cheap
[2016-11-04 01:19:46] Chumba : 720 - 698 = 22
[2016-11-04 01:20:56] sleger : Chumba good judgment chumba
[2016-11-04 01:21:17] rapidtrades : sleger: are u still net long BTC?
[2016-11-04 01:21:27] sleger : yes
[2016-11-04 01:23:04] Chumba : good time to buy ZEC and sell bitcoin
[2016-11-04 01:23:09] Chumba : china ban bad
[2016-11-04 01:27:19] sleger : Chumba: didn't you star in some space opera movies directed by G Lucas ?
[2016-11-04 01:28:02] javierstone : http://www.newsweek.com/major-broker-adds-bitcoin-its-books-516600?utm_content=buffer48b8b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[2016-11-04 01:28:53] Chumba : a klingon?
[2016-11-04 01:29:08] sleger : in a galazy far far away....
[2016-11-04 01:29:22] rapidtrades : Star Trek?
[2016-11-04 01:29:45] sleger : almost
[2016-11-04 01:29:48] jose : Trek Wars
[2016-11-04 01:30:05] sleger : jose: go back sweeping hallways
[2016-11-04 01:30:13] rapidtrades : Wars Among the Stars
[2016-11-04 01:30:31] sleger : yes, there was a character with a similar name
[2016-11-04 01:30:38] sleger : ChumbaK
[2016-11-04 01:31:24] Tetsuo : Charlton Heston? Planet of the Apes?
[2016-11-04 01:31:40] rapidtrades : that was Earth not in space
[2016-11-04 01:31:49] Tetsuo : true : - (
[2016-11-04 01:31:49] rapidtrades : sorry for the spoiler
[2016-11-04 01:33:55] Tetsuo : Charlton Heston: " U won´t get my precious BTC **from my cold dead hands**
[2016-11-04 01:35:02] rapidtrades : there was this guy that had a bitcoin QR code tattoed on his head
[2016-11-04 01:35:10] rapidtrades : what would be the point of that
[2016-11-04 01:35:26] Monty : sleger: this looks like u mate: http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2016y/04/29/16/1/small_0865-misssweeney-gorgeous-pinup-model-gulping-down-horse-cock.gif
[2016-11-04 01:35:31] rapidtrades : maybe it was a public key idk
[2016-11-04 01:35:42] Tetsuo : /ban monty
[2016-11-04 01:35:49] rapidtrades : he got paid to fix elections
[2016-11-04 01:36:04] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: ban Monty
[2016-11-04 01:36:09] rapidtrades : +3
[2016-11-04 01:36:42] BitMEX_Greg : haha, oh my
[2016-11-04 01:36:43] Monty : oooo touched a nerve did i?
[2016-11-04 01:37:39] rapidtrades : i believe that's an accurate representation of today's interaction between sleger and the JPY MM
[2016-11-04 01:39:15] Chumba : sleger aren't you admin?
[2016-11-04 01:40:06] sleger : yes but I left my admin key in my other jacket
[2016-11-04 01:40:39] Chumba : where can I get an admin key from
[2016-11-04 01:43:04] sleger : you have to pass an english test first
[2016-11-04 01:43:17] sleger : (you already failed)
[2016-11-04 01:44:37] Chumba : seems like i am half way there with my yellow green color
[2016-11-04 01:46:01] sleger : we like to give false hope around here, like you can actually make money trading, that ZEC might go back to 3 ...
[2016-11-04 01:46:48] Chumba : ZEC is 1.2 on polo exchange. that is easy trade
[2016-11-04 01:46:56] Chumba : double money
[2016-11-04 01:47:26] bernx : hard day
[2016-11-04 01:47:30] bernx : hate this news
[2016-11-04 01:47:42] rapidtrades : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/harvard-suspends-mens-football-team-over-lewd-sexual-comments/
[2016-11-04 01:47:55] rapidtrades : ^ look at that this
[2016-11-04 01:48:04] rapidtrades : i meant shit
[2016-11-04 01:49:45] jose : BitMEX_Greg: if i am long on ETHXBT when i settles, will i receive the funding ?
[2016-11-04 01:50:44] sleger : no
[2016-11-04 01:50:46] BitMEX_Greg : jose: There will be no funding for the last period just prior to settlement.
[2016-11-04 01:51:20] rapidtrades : so all altcoins will be fitures now?
[2016-11-04 01:51:42] BitMEX_Greg : Yes
[2016-11-04 01:51:48] BitMEX_Greg : and LISK will be delisted
[2016-11-04 01:51:56] sleger : RIP jung1
[2016-11-04 01:51:58] rapidtrades : oh no
[2016-11-04 01:54:46] BitMEX_Greg : jose: As in the period ending 12:00 UTC, there will be no funding
[2016-11-04 01:55:45] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.7514 (vs. yesterday at 6.7491)
[2016-11-04 01:55:50] rapidtrades : little change
[2016-11-04 01:59:15] rapidtrades : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-03/china-may-be-set-for-a-shock-fall-in-foreign-exchange-reserves
[2016-11-04 02:06:24] Cryptlex : How many decimal places is entry price calculated to?
[2016-11-04 02:08:02] Julian : Do you get paid or charged the Funding Rate percentage based on the Value of your position or based on the Margin. So if you go in 100x short on BTC right now with a value of 10BTC with a margin of 0.1 do you get 0.048% on the Value or the Margin?
[2016-11-04 02:08:31] rapidtrades : value
[2016-11-04 02:08:35] Julian : thank you
[2016-11-04 02:08:51] BitMEX_Greg : Julian: Yes the total notional of your position
[2016-11-04 02:08:55] Julian : getting used to this exchange
[2016-11-04 02:09:04] BitMEX_Greg : Cryptlex: I believe 8 dp, we round the display on the front end though
[2016-11-04 02:09:11] Julian : different opportunities here compared to elsewhere
[2016-11-04 02:09:45] Cryptlex : BitMEX_Greg: Thanks
[2016-11-04 02:09:48] jose : you should display the money you will win/loss on next funding in the UI
[2016-11-04 02:11:10] Julian : I agree, UI does need to improve
[2016-11-04 02:15:47] Cryptlex : Custom scripts would be cool
[2016-11-04 02:33:10] rapidtrades : ZEC oderbook now nearly symmetrical, around 900 BTC each side
[2016-11-04 02:35:01] mjones : insane
[2016-11-04 02:49:46] Rado : I don't get why ZEC is holding over 1 BTC
[2016-11-04 02:49:52] Rado : maybe I am missing something
[2016-11-04 02:55:31] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-11-04 02:58:57] Rado : rapidtrades: how long until ZEC is marked?
[2016-11-04 02:59:49] Rado : is it 12 PM UTC?
[2016-11-04 03:00:52] mjones : 9 hours
[2016-11-04 03:01:39] Guest54788 : Rado: what is your expected impact of the marking ?
[2016-11-04 03:02:00] Rado : I don't think there will be any
[2016-11-04 03:02:18] Rado : actually I think people will short it after the marking
[2016-11-04 03:02:22] Guest54788 : exactly, so why does the time matter to you
[2016-11-04 03:02:38] Rado : it's safe to short after
[2016-11-04 03:02:53] Rado : in case there is some crazy 1 min pump
[2016-11-04 03:04:41] Kahir : what will happen on zcash at 12 utc ?
[2016-11-04 03:04:46] Kahir : i don't understand
[2016-11-04 03:04:59] Guest54788 : Kahir: moon
[2016-11-04 03:05:53] Rado : The big MM on XBTUSD got beaten up today I think
[2016-11-04 03:06:10] Rado : his bids and asks way out
[2016-11-04 03:06:44] rapidtrades : anyone used purse.io to shop?
[2016-11-04 03:10:22] bbking : exchange suspend?
[2016-11-04 03:13:10] BitMEX_Arthur : All good now
[2016-11-04 03:18:52] mjones : yeah. high margin trading this high = big spreads as the price swings wildly
[2016-11-04 03:19:55] mjones : finally tomorrow i can trade ETC on 20x
[2016-11-04 03:20:03] mjones : i mean today
[2016-11-04 03:23:15] pulsar-testing : mjones: why higher margin => higher spread?
[2016-11-04 03:23:54] pulsar-testing : BitMEX_Arthur: first time i saw the exchange suspend message, what happened?
[2016-11-04 03:24:00] pulsar-testing : real time audit failed?
[2016-11-04 03:28:47] BitMEX_Arthur : pulsar-testing: we are figuring out what happened now
[2016-11-04 03:29:53] mjones : first more traders = more contracts that can be opened and market maker hits their limits. and higher price = more dollars to move 5%. so you spread your orders more the higher it goes
[2016-11-04 03:30:23] mjones : we'll blame russia
[2016-11-04 03:30:31] mjones : keep the coins safe
[2016-11-04 03:43:19] zanza : Putin
[2016-11-04 03:44:30] pulsar-testing : market makers can quote more too @mjones
[2016-11-04 03:44:45] pulsar-testing : mjones: makers are there to stabilize the market :)
[2016-11-04 03:56:47] pulsar-testing : BitMEX_Arthur: thanks Arthur, let us know when you find the root cause
[2016-11-04 03:58:23] mjones : always fun looking at the old coins and seeing only 0-2 BTC in buy support
[2016-11-04 04:13:33] BitMEX_Wally : pulsar-testing: We scheduled ETH7D to re-list tonight and forgot to wipe the old PNL from June so it failed an audit.
[2016-11-04 04:14:31] BitMEX_Wally : My apologies for the disruption, better safe than sorry when it comes to other people's money
[2016-11-04 04:25:30] j8 : BitMEX_Wally: whats the deal with the crazy lag earlier.. can you guys add some more compute
[2016-11-04 05:13:36] BitMEX_Wally : j8: We have overzealous risk checks that occur after every liquidation execution, we are optimising these right now. My apologies for the lag
[2016-11-04 05:14:20] j8 : yeah it does seem to happen when the liquidations start, didn't know if that was coincidence
[2016-11-04 05:34:46] RoftheN : Woah it went that low, cool
[2016-11-04 05:55:15] Julian : does the Unrealised PNL (ROE) include the interest you are estimated to get paid based on the Funding Rate?
[2016-11-04 05:57:05] Rado : I don't think so
[2016-11-04 05:59:10] Julian : thanks
[2016-11-04 06:01:12] cess : i noticed from all the prices i compared bitmex price index fell more than others
[2016-11-04 06:02:51] Rado : cess: because is comprised by tge two exchanges that fell to lowest prices
[2016-11-04 06:04:07] sally : blood everywhere
[2016-11-04 06:04:15] cess : and which exchanges are those?
[2016-11-04 06:04:42] Rado : Bitstamp and ok-coin usd
[2016-11-04 06:06:00] cess : the blood got to me
[2016-11-04 06:11:29] akearn : hello what happed with my account .my balance now 0 and I had a limit order to buy btc at 25 x leverage at target price 781 even that is gone .and it was only 6 hour ago .
[2016-11-04 06:14:31] Rado : akearn: you were liquidated
[2016-11-04 06:14:56] BitMEX_Arthur : akearn: For account specific questions, please submit a support ticket
[2016-11-04 06:15:03] supporter : Rado: not liquidated bro
[2016-11-04 06:16:17] BitMEX_Arthur : akearn: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-11-04 06:16:35] BitMEX_Arthur : Take a look at your trade history
[2016-11-04 06:19:22] supporter : BitMEX_Arthur: okk but just gv me answer because I am very tensed i had order from 735 15x leverage and when price was 717 i close my order at loss of 0.4 btc apporx now I had .60 btc i opend orders now at trade history i cnt found my 6hour ago opened orders and can see my 735 $ order is deducated my whole money
[2016-11-04 06:20:10] akearn : hello sir I am awer of it I can see there is some problem
[2016-11-04 06:21:09] akearn : okkk I am connecting with support
[2016-11-04 06:23:32] BitMEX_Arthur : supporter: I don't follow your question, are you saying we missed an order?
[2016-11-04 06:23:37] BitMEX_Arthur : Have you checked your Trade History
[2016-11-04 06:24:00] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Arthur: how's it going Arthur? crazy day?
[2016-11-04 06:24:21] BitMEX_Arthur : QuantFocus: Good for volumes we are top dog outside of China thanks to all of our users
[2016-11-04 06:24:29] QuantFocus : nice man
[2016-11-04 06:24:56] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: very nice
[2016-11-04 06:25:21] QuantFocus : what'd you guys have, like 18MM on xbtusd?
[2016-11-04 06:26:07] Rado : BitMEX_Arthur: except the no commission chinese exchanges are BitMEX fees tge best?
[2016-11-04 06:26:47] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: Because provide maker rebates and a sample market making bot we seem to have quite a few market makers who come and go
[2016-11-04 06:27:08] BitMEX_Arthur : We have done a little over 30K Bitcoin worth of volume on XBTUSD and XBTZ16 combined
[2016-11-04 06:27:10] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: i just started playing with the bot on tnet
[2016-11-04 06:27:48] QuantFocus : trying to sort out the kinks. it shuts down on me after 16-24 hours
[2016-11-04 06:27:53] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Arthur: yea, killin the game
[2016-11-04 06:28:01] Rado : QuantFocus: https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/volume/24-hour/
[2016-11-04 06:29:31] QuantFocus : finex is the only exchange close on that list @Rado . ty
[2016-11-04 06:29:34] QuantFocus : :thumbsup:
[2016-11-04 06:30:02] BitMEX_Wally : I think we should add a regex for Bitfinex same as OK.Coin
[2016-11-04 06:30:12] QuantFocus : ugh. trying to sort out my hedge right now...opened at the worst time because my sells didn't hit
[2016-11-04 06:30:31] QuantFocus : now i'm upside down on longs and shorts
[2016-11-04 06:30:58] akearn : well it shockes my trade history not showing my last trade at xbtusd and even irealised panel showing 1xbt
[2016-11-04 06:31:15] akearn : deducated
[2016-11-04 06:31:38] supporter : Same problem with me
[2016-11-04 06:31:59] BitMEX_Wally : Trade history is here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-11-04 06:33:10] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: Your trade history shows a liquidation for your XBTUSD position
[2016-11-04 06:33:17] Kahir : BitMEX_Wally: what will happen on zcash market at 12 utc ? i don't understand
[2016-11-04 06:33:44] BitMEX_Wally : Kahir: Not a lot will happen, the mark method will change, but it will still follow the future price
[2016-11-04 06:34:27] sally : zec now goes to a spot market
[2016-11-04 06:34:44] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: when can you tell me I close my order at loss of half funds and I had funds in my wallet to limit buy xbtusd at 821 that is also gone
[2016-11-04 06:34:46] Kahir : The Index Price will reference the spot ZEC/BTC Poloniex price.
[2016-11-04 06:34:48] Kahir : mmmmm
[2016-11-04 06:35:37] BitMEX_Wally : The index price references Poloniex, but we are marking ZECZ16 to a fair price which is the index price plus a fair basis
[2016-11-04 06:36:28] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: You were long XBTUSD and when the price dropped below your liquidation price the position was liquidated and your open orders were canceled
[2016-11-04 06:36:42] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: An email was sent to your account email address with all the details
[2016-11-04 06:37:37] akearn : as long as I can understand trade history shows 1btc liquidated then check after that I open some order at fct and xrp and got some profit then got one liquadted of 0.20 btc at xbt usd but you people are telling me it liquadeted
[2016-11-04 06:37:40] sally : its no secret bitmex were rekt by the zecz16 contract
[2016-11-04 06:37:49] Kahir : BitMEX_Wally: so price will change on 12 UTC
[2016-11-04 06:37:52] Kahir : ?
[2016-11-04 06:38:05] akearn : m not a fool
[2016-11-04 06:38:08] BitMEX_Wally : Kahir: The mark price won't change by much
[2016-11-04 06:38:24] Kahir : BitMEX_Wally: it will act like another markets
[2016-11-04 06:38:28] akearn : and m not telling u lieing may be there is some bug
[2016-11-04 06:39:02] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: From looking at your trade history the last event was a liquidation of XBTUSD
[2016-11-04 06:39:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 500 @ 715.39
[2016-11-04 06:39:54] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: The trade history shows most recent trades on top, so it is in a reverse chronological order
[2016-11-04 06:40:10] sally : you cant trade zecz16 now. There is no telling what the market will do after bitmex decided to play god
[2016-11-04 06:40:42] sally : it is now gambling
[2016-11-04 06:41:55] akearn : @BitMEX_Wally okk but my trade history changed I don't know why I closed my order at loss of .50 at market rate and after closing that order I had .50 btc and then I did soe trade I loss some and gain some profit but now I can see my those loss and profit trades not shoing in history and I can see the 1st trade iclose at loss of .50 btc its showing 1xbt how it could be possible
[2016-11-04 06:42:46] QuantFocus : sally: whatcha mean?
[2016-11-04 06:44:04] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: ok you check your self there is a history of fct order if I got liquadted by xbt usd my bal is zero than how I bought fcat worth of .30 btc +
[2016-11-04 06:44:14] akearn : is not it very strange ???
[2016-11-04 06:44:28] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: Are you saying you bought FCT after your XBTUSD liquidation?
[2016-11-04 06:46:00] akearn : yes
[2016-11-04 06:46:04] akearn : sir
[2016-11-04 06:46:18] BitMEX_Wally : Your last FCT trade was 2016.11.03 19:33 UTC and your XBTUSD liquidation was 2016.11.03 22:47 which is after your FCT trade
[2016-11-04 06:46:30] public username 321 : Kahir: it's already priced in
[2016-11-04 06:46:30] BitMEX_Wally : As I said, the trade history shows the most recent trade first
[2016-11-04 06:46:58] akearn : but how it could be liquadted sir I close at market loss of .5btc and did trade by rest money and dound now that order is liquadted
[2016-11-04 06:47:40] supporter : Please check my account to
[2016-11-04 06:48:16] BitMEX_Wally : You didn't close your XBTUSD position, you went long 10000 contracts at 2016.11.03 20:23:11 UTC and then the position was liquidated at 2016.11.03 22:47:46 UTC
[2016-11-04 06:48:24] supporter : I also close my order at loss of fynd but got liquade now strange
[2016-11-04 06:48:33] lilop : Здесь есть русская поддержка?
[2016-11-04 06:49:37] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Arthur: @BitMEX_Wally looks like you guys are going to need dedicated support soon...
[2016-11-04 06:49:42] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: I close at market you cant prove me I am lying check my fct xbt trading and xrp xbt trading history then where I got those money???????????
[2016-11-04 06:50:07] akearn : while I got liqudated ?
[2016-11-04 06:50:29] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: As I have said, your XBTUSD position was liquidated AFTER you traded FCT and XRP
[2016-11-04 06:51:40] akearn : lol you typed > You didn't close your XBTUSD position, you went long 10000 contracts at 2016.11.03 20:23:11 UTC and then the position was liquidated at 2016.11.03 22:47:46 UTC
[2016-11-04 06:51:57] akearn : 2016-11-04 17:30:00 RealisedPNL -0.0096 XBT -.-- XRP7D Completed 0.0145 XBT -.-- 2016-11-04 17:30:00 RealisedPNL -1.0710 XBT -.-- XBTUSD Completed 0.0240 XBT -.-- 2016-11-04 17:30:00 RealisedPNL 0.0093 XBT -.-- FCTXBT Completed 1.0951 XBT
[2016-11-04 06:52:37] lilop : I do not understand what happens to the price of 12.00 ZEC
[2016-11-04 06:52:43] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, this is your wallet history, there is a realisedPNL row for each day and they have the same timestamp.... in the future
[2016-11-04 06:53:04] BitMEX_Wally : Have a look at your TRADE HISTORY
[2016-11-04 06:53:19] sally : lol lol
[2016-11-04 06:54:13] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: I admire your patience and profecionalizm
[2016-11-04 06:54:15] akearn : check it sir carefully xbtusd opened with full money at 3/11/2016 and fct opened at 4/11/2016
[2016-11-04 06:54:23] public username 321 : lilop: change in how spotprice is calculated. Was announced few days ago and should already be priced in imo.
[2016-11-04 06:55:35] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: Please email support@bitmex.com which an explanation of exactly what your problem is. Please look carefully at the timestamps in your trade history and be aware that the wallet history does not show an order inside the day
[2016-11-04 06:56:15] BitMEX_Wally : If you claim to have closed a position please include a screenshot of the Order history with the timestamps
[2016-11-04 06:56:34] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: I am fully awer and I know what I am typing anyway thnx fr ur reply m opening a support ticket thnx
[2016-11-04 06:56:59] public username 321 : lilop: i think what will happen is: at 12 it drops rapidly because before so many people have doubts about it and at 12 everyone wants a short ;D
[2016-11-04 06:57:20] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: that history is missing???
[2016-11-04 06:57:22] public username 321 : just my best guess
[2016-11-04 06:57:27] akearn : I dnt know why
[2016-11-04 06:59:02] lilop : public username 321: Very Thanks
[2016-11-04 06:59:24] public username 321 : lilop: you're welcome but don't rely on my judgement - make your own opinion
[2016-11-04 06:59:27] akearn : and also missing 3 trades at xbt usd where I got liquadted worth of .20 btc
[2016-11-04 06:59:44] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: I see you submitted Close Limit order to sell 10000 @ 698.50 which was not filled and later you canceled
[2016-11-04 07:00:07] lilop : public username 321: Ok ;)
[2016-11-04 07:00:50] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: yes where is that order ???
[2016-11-04 07:01:11] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: It should be in the Order History tab on the main page
[2016-11-04 07:01:43] public username 321 : did the high volatility mess up trades?
[2016-11-04 07:02:21] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: yes it is avilable
[2016-11-04 07:03:59] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: check others too sir you will get a clear view
[2016-11-04 07:05:24] BitMEX_Wally : akearn: Ok I have looked at your timeline
[2016-11-04 07:05:28] BitMEX_Wally : Buy 10000 @ 695.40 trade 20:23:11 UTC
[2016-11-04 07:05:43] BitMEX_Wally : Sell 10000 @ 705.00 order open 20:24:20 to 20:32:25 UTC (canceled)
[2016-11-04 07:05:47] BitMEX_Wally : Sell 10000 @ 698.50 order open 20:33:21 to 20:38:56 UTC (canceled)
[2016-11-04 07:05:51] BitMEX_Wally : Buy 9000 @ 680.00 order rejected at 21:08:07 UTC
[2016-11-04 07:05:54] BitMEX_Wally : Sell 10000 @ 668.64 liquidation at 22:47:46 UTC
[2016-11-04 07:06:51] BitMEX_Wally : You didn't close your XTBUSD position, you had some sell orders but you canceled them, and then you tried to increase your position by buying 9000 more but it was rejected due to not enough funds
[2016-11-04 07:06:53] BitMEX_Wally : Then you were liquidated
[2016-11-04 07:07:22] QuantFocus : dang
[2016-11-04 07:08:04] public username 321 : pressed buy instead of sell?
[2016-11-04 07:08:27] public username 321 : maybe?
[2016-11-04 07:08:30] akearn : BitMEX_Wally: I am opening a ticket thts all there is something prblm I cnt figure out okk thnx fr help
[2016-11-04 07:17:54] jeeburns : btc lookin bouncy
[2016-11-04 07:45:11] wurstgelee : yep. fck it, longed a bit
[2016-11-04 07:55:20] wurstgelee : Prices then bounced between 3,000, 2,000 and 1,000 with no end in sight. Having said that, given the amount of supply at this time was less than the age of consent in Japan, the same ZECs were being passed around more than Sasha Grey in Black Power 3.
[2016-11-04 07:55:41] wurstgelee : whoever wrote that, he deserves the Pulitzer
[2016-11-04 08:04:19] chromaticcr1 : i guess it's arthur?
[2016-11-04 08:06:10] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: surely someone who's seen it
[2016-11-04 08:06:19] imabeast : https://twitter.com/whalecalls/status/794449104311119872
[2016-11-04 08:08:12] QuantFocus : https://twitter.com/whalecalls/status/794449106408185856
[2016-11-04 08:09:05] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: probably
[2016-11-04 08:09:11] wurstgelee : or was an actor in it
[2016-11-04 08:10:01] wurstgelee : Black Power- Arthur. No need to say more.
[2016-11-04 08:10:06] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-11-04 08:10:18] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: :thumbsup:
[2016-11-04 08:10:50] micmix : Arthur: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzgwNjYwM2UtMjYwZC00OTNlLWE1MmEtMTQ0NmZjNDk3ZDRlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjI3MDczMjI@._V1_.jpg
[2016-11-04 08:11:13] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-04 08:11:21] QuantFocus : that seems a little racist...
[2016-11-04 08:11:35] micmix : it was 1975
[2016-11-04 08:11:49] QuantFocus : what about 2016?
[2016-11-04 08:12:37] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Hahah that does remind me of Arthur
[2016-11-04 08:15:08] wurstgelee : long closed, awaiting okc settlement shenenigans.
[2016-11-04 08:15:55] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Wally: how can i get this file to down load as a excel table https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/funding?symbol=XBTUSD&count=500&reverse=false&_format=csv
[2016-11-04 08:16:27] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Try `curl` or `wget`
[2016-11-04 08:17:04] billyboy402 : could you give me a example ? i an a noob
[2016-11-04 08:17:39] BitMEX_Wally : Or just click on the link then select File -> Save As
[2016-11-04 08:17:54] BitMEX_Wally : Give it a `.csv`filename and then you should be able to open it in Excel
[2016-11-04 08:19:29] billyboy402 : when i open it in excel , it just all in one colunme ,. like jumbo like when you view it on the webasite
[2016-11-04 08:21:50] mjmj83 : billyboy402: open the file in notepad and add a new first line sep=,
[2016-11-04 08:22:02] mjmj83 : if you add sep=, excel knows how to read it
[2016-11-04 08:22:23] mjmj83 : it means seperator = comma
[2016-11-04 08:22:37] QuantFocus : mjmj83: nice
[2016-11-04 08:24:26] billyboy402 : thank you that a really usefull tipe
[2016-11-04 08:24:50] rapidtrades : I like that tipe too
[2016-11-04 08:24:59] billyboy402 : how can i get the API to record each new in a google sheet
[2016-11-04 08:25:11] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: hey bud
[2016-11-04 08:27:35] rapidtrades : hey
[2016-11-04 08:27:38] mjmj83 : i give tipes for free
[2016-11-04 08:28:01] mjmj83 : billyboy402: yer welcome
[2016-11-04 08:28:07] QuantFocus : what types of tipes?
[2016-11-04 08:28:40] mjmj83 : QuantFocus: lolz :)
[2016-11-04 08:29:46] rapidtrades : i'm bored....we need another china bans bitcoin story
[2016-11-04 08:29:48] billyboy402 : mjmj83: is there a way I can get it to save to a google sheet , i was told to add array , but i dont know how to do it
[2016-11-04 08:30:44] QuantFocus : billyboy402: you should be able to save the .csv and open it with google docs...
[2016-11-04 08:31:14] QuantFocus : free tipe
[2016-11-04 08:31:35] billyboy402 : QuantFocus: i want to learn how to add the API so it save and record it . so then in the future i can add price table ( use chart) and trade history etc
[2016-11-04 08:32:02] QuantFocus : oh, well that will cost you
[2016-11-04 08:32:16] billyboy402 : send your tip address
[2016-11-04 08:32:50] billyboy402 : what keey word do i need to youtube to learn it , some one told me to create aray but i couldnt find any thing
[2016-11-04 08:33:21] QuantFocus : just look up what you want to do. api in excel
[2016-11-04 08:33:42] billyboy402 : i rather google sheet ,
[2016-11-04 08:33:49] QuantFocus : same thing
[2016-11-04 08:34:07] billyboy402 : I ve learn to get the price api and save it too google sheet , but not past history
[2016-11-04 08:34:24] QuantFocus : sounds like you're well on your way
[2016-11-04 08:34:42] QuantFocus : cheers mate
[2016-11-04 08:35:06] billyboy402 : i want to get this corruent rate , then reocd and save ( move to next cell ) https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/instrument?symbol=XBTUSD&columns=indicativeFundingRate
[2016-11-04 08:39:04] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: i think you have a shot on that zec trade
[2016-11-04 08:41:10] rapidtrades : we'll see...lots of spikes to the upside but none are holding yet
[2016-11-04 08:41:28] QuantFocus : i think :bitmex: might be a factor
[2016-11-04 08:41:51] rapidtrades : <bitmex>
[2016-11-04 08:41:52] QuantFocus : probably get a small pump from new mark
[2016-11-04 08:41:58] rapidtrades : how did u do that
[2016-11-04 08:42:04] QuantFocus : colon : x :
[2016-11-04 08:42:11] rapidtrades : :bitmex:
[2016-11-04 08:42:21] rapidtrades : nice....
[2016-11-04 08:42:29] rapidtrades : :sun:
[2016-11-04 08:42:37] QuantFocus : yea. but mark and new limits
[2016-11-04 08:42:42] QuantFocus : might see some action
[2016-11-04 08:43:38] QuantFocus : :knife:
[2016-11-04 08:43:45] QuantFocus : check out emoji codes
[2016-11-04 08:44:34] QuantFocus : :money_with_wings:
[2016-11-04 08:45:25] rapidtrades : :middle_finger:
[2016-11-04 08:47:55] rapidtrades : :rolling_eyes:
[2016-11-04 08:48:12] rapidtrades : most doesn't seem to be supported here
[2016-11-04 08:48:32] rapidtrades : :thinking:
[2016-11-04 08:48:46] rapidtrades : at least i can't see them
[2016-11-04 08:48:55] QuantFocus : they aren't working
[2016-11-04 08:50:19] rapidtrades : then why are u telling me to look up emojis
[2016-11-04 08:50:39] QuantFocus : because the right ones will work
[2016-11-04 08:50:53] QuantFocus : http://emojipedia.org/objects/
[2016-11-04 08:51:05] wurstgelee : time to go shopping @ polo
[2016-11-04 08:51:20] QuantFocus : wurstgelee: you think these are deals?
[2016-11-04 08:51:31] QuantFocus : i still say overpriced
[2016-11-04 08:51:47] rapidtrades : :hole:
[2016-11-04 08:51:56] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: only some
[2016-11-04 08:51:57] rapidtrades : dude none of them work
[2016-11-04 08:52:05] wurstgelee : shillbert's etc for example
[2016-11-04 08:52:08] rapidtrades : what a scam
[2016-11-04 08:52:13] rapidtrades : emoji scam
[2016-11-04 08:52:26] rapidtrades : I WANT MY TIPES BACK
[2016-11-04 08:52:39] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: hahah
[2016-11-04 08:52:52] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: : knife : : money_with_wings :
[2016-11-04 08:52:59] QuantFocus : : smile :
[2016-11-04 08:53:10] QuantFocus : that's about all i know
[2016-11-04 08:53:13] QuantFocus : :smile:
[2016-11-04 08:53:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 19750 @ 702.74
[2016-11-04 08:53:40] QuantFocus : :poop:
[2016-11-04 08:54:09] rapidtrades : :knife:
[2016-11-04 08:55:07] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: what if your trollbox color was based on your gains/losses
[2016-11-04 08:55:12] QuantFocus : i'd be dark red
[2016-11-04 08:56:11] wurstgelee : current position would be funny too
[2016-11-04 08:56:33] wurstgelee : gree long, red short.
[2016-11-04 08:56:34] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 08:56:39] wurstgelee : *n
[2016-11-04 08:57:12] wurstgelee : color based on % of toal account value or sth
[2016-11-04 08:57:21] wurstgelee : tttttttttttttt
[2016-11-04 08:59:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 7338 @ 703.04
[2016-11-04 09:01:06] QuantFocus : this volt is really scooping up btc
[2016-11-04 09:02:23] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-04 09:02:34] wurstgelee : 4800 would be nice now
[2016-11-04 09:04:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ7D`: Buy 2000 @ 73681
[2016-11-04 09:18:53] rapidtrades : cmon polo, open ur can of whoopass
[2016-11-04 09:19:45] dasdfasdf : y is zcrash so boring?
[2016-11-04 09:20:26] rapidtrades : we're hoping the marking will make it more responsive to polo
[2016-11-04 09:21:57] dasdfasdf : When does that happen
[2016-11-04 09:22:17] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: and hey, maybe we can get $$ contracts on zec instead of zec contracts
[2016-11-04 09:22:23] wurstgelee : dasdfasdf: 12 utc
[2016-11-04 09:23:50] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: Not sure what you mean?
[2016-11-04 09:24:15] QuantFocus : make each contract worth 1 USD
[2016-11-04 09:24:52] QuantFocus : going to be tough to trade if it ever gets over 10 again
[2016-11-04 09:25:06] QuantFocus : at least for us small guys
[2016-11-04 09:26:09] BitMEX_Wally : If a contract is worth 1 USD then what price is it quoted in?
[2016-11-04 09:26:21] QuantFocus : xbt
[2016-11-04 09:26:49] QuantFocus : i'm just thinking of your xbt contracts. those are priced in usd, no?
[2016-11-04 09:27:08] BitMEX_Wally : Right, but 1 USD worth of anything is worth 1/BitcoinPrice in Bitcoin
[2016-11-04 09:27:49] QuantFocus : well, bitcoin price in USD, but yes
[2016-11-04 09:27:57] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: XBTUSD is basically 1 USD quoted in XBT and settled in XBT. We just show the reciprocal
[2016-11-04 09:28:03] QuantFocus : but can't we convert from 1 USD to price in bitcoin on zec?
[2016-11-04 09:28:17] BitMEX_Wally : You want a quanto?
[2016-11-04 09:28:32] QuantFocus : sounds like it
[2016-11-04 09:28:55] QuantFocus : quoted in usd, settled in xbt
[2016-11-04 09:29:04] j8 : really he just wants a smaller contract size
[2016-11-04 09:29:07] BitMEX_Wally : You could have ZEC quoted in USD and quantoed into XBT at some arbitrary multiple
[2016-11-04 09:29:12] BitMEX_Wally : *multiplier
[2016-11-04 09:29:22] BitMEX_Wally : But then it would be hard to hedge
[2016-11-04 09:29:23] QuantFocus : j8: thanks.
[2016-11-04 09:29:34] BitMEX_Wally : Because the ZEC value of the position would change depending on the value of BItcoin
[2016-11-04 09:29:47] QuantFocus : i'm just thinking, if it ever did, for some crazy reason, hit the cap again, i'd probably want to open a position
[2016-11-04 09:30:05] QuantFocus : but if i have to open that position with 100xbt, it's not happening
[2016-11-04 09:30:07] BitMEX_Wally : The cap is being raised to 100 XBT in 2.5 hours
[2016-11-04 09:30:26] BitMEX_Wally : And if the future does go above 10 XBT again then we will launch a mini-future worth 0.01 ZEC
[2016-11-04 09:30:27] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: makes sense with hedging
[2016-11-04 09:30:36] QuantFocus : i'm more interested in directional on zec
[2016-11-04 09:30:48] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: is there a technical reason for having caps?
[2016-11-04 09:31:05] QuantFocus : oh sweet. that solves it. thanks @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-11-04 09:31:19] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, we use 64 bit longs and they cannot store infinity
[2016-11-04 09:31:41] rapidtrades : eli5?
[2016-11-04 09:32:13] BitMEX_Wally : satoshis = maxQuantity*maxPrice*1e8
[2016-11-04 09:32:28] BitMEX_Wally : `satoshis = maxQuantity x maxPrice x 1e8`
[2016-11-04 09:32:38] BitMEX_Wally : We do not want the Satoshi value to overflow
[2016-11-04 09:33:13] BitMEX_Wally : And also Sam wants a fixed width for a price input boxes etc
[2016-11-04 09:40:07] Nitu : What next with xrp
[2016-11-04 09:40:14] Nitu : ?
[2016-11-04 09:43:52] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: why can't u do what polo does?
[2016-11-04 09:44:34] rapidtrades : they don't have a cap as we saw last Friday
[2016-11-04 09:46:27] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: i believe their cap is 5k btc
[2016-11-04 09:47:01] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-11-04 10:09:22] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: I think Bitfinex had a cap of 0.55 XBT or something
[2016-11-04 10:09:57] BitMEX_Wally : If 100 XBT is not enough I will drop the maxOrderQty by a factor of 10 and put the maxPrice up to 1000 XBT
[2016-11-04 10:10:11] BitMEX_Wally : I just never expected a coin to be more valuable than Bitcoin :)
[2016-11-04 10:13:23] jose : ZEC is trading at botom limit ?
[2016-11-04 10:14:15] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: I guess you forgot about the 42 coin, price over 1000 btc at the top ;-)
[2016-11-04 10:14:38] habibi : micmix: 1600 at least ;)
[2016-11-04 10:16:39] CapitalGains : BitMEX_Wally: Any chance you guys will have a 0.1 ZEC contract any time soon?
[2016-11-04 10:17:07] BitMEX_Wally : CapitalGains: Not unless the future trades consistently above 1.0 XBT
[2016-11-04 10:17:24] BitMEX_Wally : As ZEC crashes and ZECZ16 goes down we can increase the leverage instead
[2016-11-04 10:17:49] CapitalGains : Fair enough, makes sense in the long run.
[2016-11-04 10:18:59] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: still a high entry-barrier tho, even if zec trades ~0.5
[2016-11-04 10:19:00] CapitalGains : I'll just have to wait. I can't touch it at the current price with 2x leverage and integer contracts.
[2016-11-04 10:19:06] wurstgelee : compared to other contracts...
[2016-11-04 10:19:28] wurstgelee : 0.1 would still be high imo
[2016-11-04 10:31:52] CapitalGains : BitMEX_Wally: A few days ago, the ZEC futures were trading at 1/3 or 1/4 of the Poloniex price, now they're at about 1/2. When they're marked to Poloniex, I presume the fair basis will be set at that? But does that mean that if Polo drops to 0.5, here will drop to 0.25?
[2016-11-04 10:32:43] BitMEX_Wally : The basis is automatically adjusted as the order book moves
[2016-11-04 10:37:42] joshuaf15 : Does bitmex and poloniex have any business partnership?
[2016-11-04 10:38:06] BitMEX_Wally : No but the door is open
[2016-11-04 10:38:10] public username 321 : CapitalGains: i'd expect spot and future to come close together as time moves on and outcome becomes clearer
[2016-11-04 10:38:46] public username 321 : CapitalGains: i think spot and futures will be about the same in 3 or 4 weeks
[2016-11-04 10:39:03] public username 321 : just guessing as usual
[2016-11-04 10:39:07] BitMEX_Wally : Quite likely
[2016-11-04 10:39:22] wurstgelee : i'll make a broad call: thy will be the same on dec 30
[2016-11-04 10:39:24] BitMEX_Wally : The different between them will decay between now and December for sure
[2016-11-04 10:39:28] wurstgelee : *bold
[2016-11-04 10:39:33] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 10:39:43] public username 321 : wurstgelee: i thinhk maybe a little bit earlier than that
[2016-11-04 10:39:59] wurstgelee : sure
[2016-11-04 10:40:32] joshuaf15 : Where can I look for bitcoin futures curve? Or there are only perpetual swaps?
[2016-11-04 10:40:54] public username 321 : wurstgelee: but probably not before rewards are at 12.5 per block ; so likely not before end of the month
[2016-11-04 10:41:14] wurstgelee : its wild guessing right now imo ;)
[2016-11-04 10:41:19] public username 321 : guesstimate
[2016-11-04 10:41:27] wurstgelee : noone really knows what polo whales have in store and mind the coming weeks.. ;)
[2016-11-04 10:41:32] public username 321 : educated guess, as usual
[2016-11-04 10:42:23] public username 321 : wurstgelee: i don't think they'll pump a lot during distribution. I think they let it drop at some point for the big accumulation
[2016-11-04 10:42:51] public username 321 : pump next year if it's still worth it
[2016-11-04 10:43:08] public username 321 : maybe?
[2016-11-04 10:43:37] public username 321 : shortsqueeze now and then, sure
[2016-11-04 10:43:50] BitMEX_Wally : joshuaf15: There is a 24H, 7D and December future for XBJ
[2016-11-04 10:45:25] joshuaf15 : Thanks wally
[2016-11-04 10:57:16] CapitalGains : I've just started looking at the XBTUSD perpetual swap and Dec 30 contract... could someone explain why it wouldn't be a good idea to short the Dec 30 at 730 and go long on the perpetual swap at 704, and score the difference x leverage on Dec 30?
[2016-11-04 10:57:53] CapitalGains : Because that's what occurred to me to do the moment I saw them.
[2016-11-04 10:58:39] mjmj83 : CapitalGains: Because you have no idea what happens with the funding.
[2016-11-04 10:58:52] joshuaf15 : If the xbtz16 contract is worth 1usd? Do i need 705 contracts to hedge 1 bitcoin?
[2016-11-04 10:59:29] CapitalGains : mjmj83: Does funding make this unviable?
[2016-11-04 11:01:45] joshuaf15 : *shorting 705 contracts?
[2016-11-04 11:01:49] CapitalGains : Or does it only potentially make it unviable?
[2016-11-04 11:03:45] mjmj83 : CapitalGains: Well, better to do a normal future I would say if you want to play that game. Funding is every 8 hours. Can go up to 0,375%. You can receive funding as well, but we're in a bull-market, so I expect more negative fundings. Prolly you'll make more money if you short the Swap and go Long the DEC30.
[2016-11-04 11:04:08] mjmj83 : That's not a trading advice. ;)
[2016-11-04 11:04:57] mjmj83 : joshuaf15: correct
[2016-11-04 11:05:36] CapitalGains : mjmj83: Thanks... I still need to wrap my head around this funding thing
[2016-11-04 11:05:59] wurstgelee : 55 mins?
[2016-11-04 11:06:01] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 11:06:09] joshuaf15 : And the minimum margin is 35usd (5%) ?
[2016-11-04 11:06:22] joshuaf15 : for 705 contracts
[2016-11-04 11:10:40] mjmj83 : dunno about margin
[2016-11-04 11:11:28] thomaskikansha : zec sub 1
[2016-11-04 11:11:44] chromaticcr1 : TO DA CORE!
[2016-11-04 11:11:55] wurstgelee : go btc ;
[2016-11-04 11:11:57] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 11:12:03] public username 321 : here comes the dive
[2016-11-04 11:12:15] wurstgelee : dive?
[2016-11-04 11:12:36] public username 321 : wurstgelee: diving like deep sea diving
[2016-11-04 11:12:49] wurstgelee : ...rly? ;)
[2016-11-04 11:12:54] CapitalGains : Talking about ZEC?
[2016-11-04 11:12:56] public username 321 : looking for the bottom and things
[2016-11-04 11:12:59] wurstgelee : ok, ill rephrase: what is diving? ;(
[2016-11-04 11:13:27] public username 321 : wurstgelee: zec is diving on polo
[2016-11-04 11:13:35] BitMEX_Wally : joshuaf15: The minimum margin is 1% for 100x futures
[2016-11-04 11:13:37] wurstgelee : ah, lol. zec
[2016-11-04 11:13:38] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 11:14:01] chromaticcr1 : diving / dying ? ;)
[2016-11-04 11:14:14] public username 321 : it's not dead yet
[2016-11-04 11:14:23] chromaticcr1 : *yet*
[2016-11-04 11:16:30] public username 321 : see, the futures market knew better than polo
[2016-11-04 11:20:21] wurstgelee : polo knows. sheep on polo dont tho ;)
[2016-11-04 11:21:43] public username 321 : if they were to enable margin trading and lending this would tank pretty quickly imo
[2016-11-04 11:22:04] public username 321 : but it's tanking anyways
[2016-11-04 11:22:11] CapitalGains : Not really enough ZEC to lend
[2016-11-04 11:22:18] public username 321 : not yet
[2016-11-04 11:22:33] CapitalGains : And also, 5% is the max interest for lending on Polo, and that's way too little since daily inflation is like 20% at the moment
[2016-11-04 11:22:37] public username 321 : on the other hand those zec would have been lended for 5%
[2016-11-04 11:22:47] CapitalGains : Exactly
[2016-11-04 11:24:52] public username 321 : was actually not a smart move to keep lending closed because shortsqueezing doesn't work that way
[2016-11-04 11:25:28] public username 321 : this isn't the most intelligent pumpgroup doing zec
[2016-11-04 11:26:07] public username 321 : but that's ok
[2016-11-04 11:51:54] billyboy402 : it suck that 30 hours ago there was a $10 premuim and we only got 0.3270 but now where only getting 0.0235% the pay out should avg over rolling 24 hours and pay hourly
[2016-11-04 11:53:30] billyboy402 : better yet , be better if it 50x so the max cap is higher
[2016-11-04 11:55:47] wurstgelee : nope.
[2016-11-04 11:55:49] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 11:56:11] wurstgelee : premium is there to push the market here in the direction of spot
[2016-11-04 11:56:25] wurstgelee : avg over 24h would crippled that severely
[2016-11-04 11:56:29] wurstgelee : *-d
[2016-11-04 11:56:42] wurstgelee : //2 cents
[2016-11-04 11:57:16] billyboy402 : wurstgelee: sorry mate , it not , it here to push the price clsoser to the spot (index) so we dont deveate so far away from it
[2016-11-04 11:57:38] sleger : thats what he said dumy
[2016-11-04 11:57:55] wurstgelee : i said "premium" tho. i wanted to write funding
[2016-11-04 11:58:43] wurstgelee : can we haz mark now? ;)
[2016-11-04 11:58:58] billyboy402 : sleger: no silly , he said direction . so if spot it going up , u have Negtive fudnign when it below , and postive when it higher .... it to keep it near spot , it not to : "HELP WITH THE DIRRECTION "
[2016-11-04 11:59:11] wurstgelee : billyboy402: lol. that is the same ffs
[2016-11-04 11:59:33] wurstgelee : push market in direction of spot=keeping it at spot price in that case
[2016-11-04 11:59:48] wurstgelee : its here to counter if bitmex market trades above or below spot
[2016-11-04 11:59:58] wurstgelee : counter bitmex-specifitc sentiment if u like
[2016-11-04 11:59:59] billyboy402 : when there a $10 prim it kinda suck for shorter that want to exit , and the funding rate should be more
[2016-11-04 12:00:02] sleger : bye bye alt swaps thanks for your funding :)
[2016-11-04 12:00:16] wurstgelee : cya alts swap
[2016-11-04 12:00:22] wurstgelee : alt swaps too
[2016-11-04 12:00:38] wurstgelee : hmm