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[2016-11-03 22:23:14] wurstgelee : indeed
[2016-11-03 22:23:21] Julian : with the funding rate, if you are being paid 1% to hold a short for 8 hours do you have to hold the short for the entire 8 hour duration or can you only hold the short for 7hrs 59mins and close it right before the new Funding rate starts?
[2016-11-03 22:23:26] tard : brutal day
[2016-11-03 22:23:36] wurstgelee : hehe yeah.
[2016-11-03 22:23:39] Shaman : bitmex lagging? or just me. just got kicked off
[2016-11-03 22:23:40] wurstgelee : sidelines ;)
[2016-11-03 22:23:50] CaptainDean : Julian: you have to hold the poisition the position to pay
[2016-11-03 22:23:59] Julian : could you open a short 1 min before the new funding rate starts and receive 1% only holding it for 1 min?
[2016-11-03 22:24:03] CaptainDean : Julian: so if you sell 1 sec before, you pay nothing
[2016-11-03 22:24:12] Julian : oh
[2016-11-03 22:24:31] CaptainDean : Julian: if you short 1 sec before the funding, you will pay/receive it
[2016-11-03 22:24:35] Julian : wow
[2016-11-03 22:24:39] Julian : that's easy to game
[2016-11-03 22:24:47] aethlios : Julian: yes you can and the opposite, close 1 min before and you don't pay neither get paid
[2016-11-03 22:24:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 8000 @ 685.42
[2016-11-03 22:24:53] CaptainDean : Julian: yeah but you're not alone playing the game ;-)
[2016-11-03 22:24:53] muirtastic : Julian: Yes you can
[2016-11-03 22:25:07] jeeburns : lmao what a day. Got margin called earlier because this site lagged for like 10 straight seconds. Then I just tried to close my order and it logged me out lol. Luckily didn't get called.
[2016-11-03 22:26:18] aethlios : volume 31,000 btc must a record (swap + 3month)
[2016-11-03 22:26:33] aethlios : sure record in usd value
[2016-11-03 22:27:00] CaptainDean : not sure we hit the bottom (4600)
[2016-11-03 22:27:05] Julian : ok thanks guys
[2016-11-03 22:27:11] aethlios : bitmex made a fee killing today.
[2016-11-03 22:28:13] wurstgelee : i helped ;)
[2016-11-03 22:28:23] john1243 : maybe retrace to 4800?
[2016-11-03 22:28:38] wurstgelee : not touching it
[2016-11-03 22:28:43] wurstgelee : atm ;)
[2016-11-03 22:28:52] CaptainDean : either that or 4400
[2016-11-03 22:29:02] wurstgelee : yep ;)
[2016-11-03 22:29:09] wurstgelee : i would touch 4400 tho :p
[2016-11-03 22:29:18] john1243 : wurstgelee: what happened to bitcoin bullmarket?
[2016-11-03 22:29:32] wurstgelee : it prob died today
[2016-11-03 22:29:55] john1243 : wurstgelee: I was shorting at 744 and you were telling me it was risky lol
[2016-11-03 22:30:04] wurstgelee : it was
[2016-11-03 22:30:37] john1243 : look at 1 day chart lol
[2016-11-03 22:30:49] wurstgelee : yeah captain hindsight...
[2016-11-03 22:30:55] wurstgelee : doesnt change the fact it was risky
[2016-11-03 22:31:23] wurstgelee : i didnt say: no way u will be right, did i?
[2016-11-03 22:32:20] wurstgelee : dumping btw...in case noone noticefd
[2016-11-03 22:32:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 22:32:28] shiroe : 3500 confirmed.
[2016-11-03 22:32:33] shiroe : 4500 i mean. haha
[2016-11-03 22:32:40] wurstgelee : ha
[2016-11-03 22:32:46] Rekted : shiroe: may be less
[2016-11-03 22:33:14] CaptainDean : we didn't broke the last resistance (4586)
[2016-11-03 22:33:40] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: !
[2016-11-03 22:36:26] doc1 : yeah double bottom is in
[2016-11-03 22:37:11] CaptainDean : doc1: I wouldn't be surprise we broke it
[2016-11-03 22:39:13] john1243 : gonna be a nice rally from here
[2016-11-03 22:44:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30 @ 684.51
[2016-11-03 22:44:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 34000 @ 682.80 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-03 22:45:22] numero : john1243: you seem to be making the worst calls ;)
[2016-11-03 22:45:41] CaptainDean : we survive the resistance again
[2016-11-03 22:45:43] john1243 : I don't think so
[2016-11-03 22:45:50] CaptainDean : 4591
[2016-11-03 22:46:05] y1uy : btc to 640-670
[2016-11-03 22:46:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 681.51
[2016-11-03 22:46:48] CaptainDean : broken
[2016-11-03 22:46:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 26000 @ 679.88 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-03 22:47:02] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-03 22:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2980 @ 675.70
[2016-11-03 22:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 675.73 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-03 22:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 675.15
[2016-11-03 22:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 37550 @ 678.04 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-03 22:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 49110 @ 675.00 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-03 22:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9950 @ 675.08
[2016-11-03 22:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 677.05
[2016-11-03 22:47:22] mjones : mega lag again
[2016-11-03 22:47:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 674.77
[2016-11-03 22:47:29] wurstgelee : thats why
[2016-11-03 22:47:31] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 22:47:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8446 @ 673.85
[2016-11-03 22:47:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 45024 @ 673.63 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-03 22:47:44] y1uy : 66
[2016-11-03 22:47:46] y1uy : 666
[2016-11-03 22:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 671.64
[2016-11-03 22:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 671.35
[2016-11-03 22:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 672.18
[2016-11-03 22:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 45 @ 672.47
[2016-11-03 22:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 900 @ 671.99
[2016-11-03 22:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2500 @ 671.88
[2016-11-03 22:47:53] y1uy : them fuckers :D
[2016-11-03 22:48:18] Shaman : cant submit contracts :(
[2016-11-03 22:48:19] john1243 : fuck
[2016-11-03 22:48:26] y1uy : guys i am nostradamus here
[2016-11-03 22:48:31] wurstgelee : lols
[2016-11-03 22:48:35] wurstgelee : order submission error...
[2016-11-03 22:48:36] habibi : ffs fix that site please bitmex, unable to get trade
[2016-11-03 22:48:37] wurstgelee : socket timeout
[2016-11-03 22:48:38] wurstgelee : WTF
[2016-11-03 22:48:40] Cryptlex : is someone ddos the server?
[2016-11-03 22:48:42] Shaman : holy crap
[2016-11-03 22:48:47] mjones : 4400 cny soon
[2016-11-03 22:48:47] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-03 22:49:02] blacktuesday : bitmex broken
[2016-11-03 22:49:11] Rekted : too many rekt
[2016-11-03 22:49:12] j8 : lagMEX
[2016-11-03 22:49:13] wurstgelee : guys..seriously....
[2016-11-03 22:49:14] mjones : dont refresh
[2016-11-03 22:49:40] y1uy : works fine for me
[2016-11-03 22:49:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 24 @ 0.003041
[2016-11-03 22:49:55] Rekted : have a good rekt time guys
[2016-11-03 22:49:56] habibi : y1uy: u have no btc here, stfu
[2016-11-03 22:50:04] y1uy : habibi: what?
[2016-11-03 22:50:09] wurstgelee : habibi: :D :D :D
[2016-11-03 22:50:13] habibi : ffs so many trade options are going away coz of that lags
[2016-11-03 22:50:21] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-03 22:50:26] y1uy : habibi: bitmex bad cdn servers
[2016-11-03 22:50:31] wurstgelee : knife catching basically imposible
[2016-11-03 22:50:34] wurstgelee : *s
[2016-11-03 22:50:42] y1uy : wurstgelee: thats why u set up buy orders before
[2016-11-03 22:50:47] habibi : y1uy: on ur ass
[2016-11-03 22:50:48] wurstgelee : lol whut?
[2016-11-03 22:50:49] mjones : time to rekt every long there is thinking this was going up forever
[2016-11-03 22:51:16] wurstgelee : set buy orders in anticipation of dump....
[2016-11-03 22:51:19] wurstgelee : ofc....
[2016-11-03 22:51:29] wurstgelee : today
[2016-11-03 22:51:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10000 @ 674.41
[2016-11-03 22:52:08] y1uy : yeah whats wrong with that
[2016-11-03 22:52:15] y1uy : thats how u trade
[2016-11-03 22:52:22] mjones : short rekt
[2016-11-03 22:52:25] lopol : how can you fail so much to get liquidated for short today
[2016-11-03 22:52:27] wurstgelee : maybe thats how u trade...
[2016-11-03 22:52:33] mjones : i should have went 100x long on that dip
[2016-11-03 22:52:42] wurstgelee : i tried
[2016-11-03 22:52:44] wurstgelee : desperately
[2016-11-03 22:52:47] habibi : y1uy: ffs i am already tired with u, waiting till u will go away coz of rekt
[2016-11-03 22:52:49] wurstgelee : bitmex didnt let me
[2016-11-03 22:52:51] mjones : there was that big ass sell wall at 663
[2016-11-03 22:52:55] mjones : a gift from the heaven
[2016-11-03 22:52:58] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-03 22:53:14] wurstgelee : got socker timeout error notice...
[2016-11-03 22:53:16] wurstgelee : socket
[2016-11-03 22:53:18] mjones : 100x that you'd be up 200% right now
[2016-11-03 22:53:31] burno : i got some of that 663 heaven, bt just a tiny position
[2016-11-03 22:53:31] y1uy : http://i.imgur.com/T2jSxkp.png
[2016-11-03 22:53:58] Cryptlex : like a boss
[2016-11-03 22:54:07] y1uy : habibi: i bet your long on btc got rekt
[2016-11-03 22:54:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 12229 @ 678.61
[2016-11-03 22:54:27] habibi : y1uy: see, i am diffrent, i can be asshole for u and at same time making money
[2016-11-03 22:54:44] y1uy : habibi: ok habibi
[2016-11-03 22:54:47] jeeburns : bots going awol
[2016-11-03 22:54:49] y1uy : habibi: yalla akbar
[2016-11-03 22:55:26] y1uy : guys dont long at these priecs
[2016-11-03 22:55:38] y1uy : 640-650 is a good place to long..
[2016-11-03 22:55:43] wurstgelee : 663 heaven soon to be hell? ;)
[2016-11-03 22:55:46] wurstgelee : or not
[2016-11-03 22:55:57] habibi : y1uy: don't give advices until u earn first bitcoin
[2016-11-03 22:56:09] y1uy : habibi: love u too
[2016-11-03 22:56:13] habibi : then start rekting people as a expert! :)
[2016-11-03 22:56:17] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-03 22:56:29] y1uy : this guy is so pissed he got rekt
[2016-11-03 22:56:42] burno : wurstgelee: i have already sold
[2016-11-03 22:56:51] y1uy : habibi: i called the dips, u didnt call shit
[2016-11-03 22:56:55] wurstgelee : good job
[2016-11-03 22:57:04] habibi : y1uy: u don't want to meet me after rekt, way worse sunny
[2016-11-03 22:57:06] burno : but y'all get a chance at some rekt coins, this is not going to stop appartently
[2016-11-03 22:57:48] habibi : y1uy: call next thing, with exact timeline and price within 2-3$ dollars targets and i will send u 1 btc if u will be right, if wrong u will just stfu :)
[2016-11-03 22:57:55] fsec : I'm setting my buy order @625 and going to bed :D
[2016-11-03 22:58:23] y1uy : habibi: ok, u will see bitcoin will dip to 640-650 and maybe consolidate, if im right u can send me .1 btc
[2016-11-03 22:58:40] wurstgelee : thats a $10 range...
[2016-11-03 22:58:41] habibi : y1uy: i told u my terms, please try to read it more carefully
[2016-11-03 22:58:48] wurstgelee : also no timeline
[2016-11-03 22:59:05] numero : y1uy: who is that picture of?
[2016-11-03 22:59:25] y1uy : numero: thats bitcoin market maker
[2016-11-03 23:00:07] TwinnerD : how many bars do you long guys have?
[2016-11-03 23:00:18] mjones : i actually refreshed. what happen to the +10 and +100 when opening contracts?
[2016-11-03 23:00:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 672.94
[2016-11-03 23:01:33] lopol : are china news real?
[2016-11-03 23:01:44] numero : I'm thinking, Tetsuo must have a full spectrum of accounts . . . I wonder how he keeps track of them all
[2016-11-03 23:01:51] y1uy : lopol: no
[2016-11-03 23:08:41] habibi : 23:55 - y1uy: guys dont long at these priecs hope noone listened to him
[2016-11-03 23:15:26] QuantFocus : err'body ded?
[2016-11-03 23:15:33] QuantFocus : or just too pissed off
[2016-11-03 23:16:20] habibi : they follow y1uy advices
[2016-11-03 23:16:22] habibi : let them die
[2016-11-03 23:16:52] TwinnerD : QuantFocus: didn't you hear? BTC is dead. all went home
[2016-11-03 23:16:55] TwinnerD : only bots left
[2016-11-03 23:16:59] TwinnerD : they didn't get the memo
[2016-11-03 23:17:46] mjones : my only wish is that i would have went 100x long
[2016-11-03 23:17:46] muirtastic : I wonder what the long/short funding fees will adjust to in 5 hrs.
[2016-11-03 23:18:50] numero : habibi: what would you suggest?
[2016-11-03 23:19:09] lockhedge : muirtastic: Predicted Funding Rate 0.0270% in 13 hours (hoover with your mouse over the current funding rate)
[2016-11-03 23:19:11] habibi : numero: i don't give advices here, just trade my own.
[2016-11-03 23:20:15] numero : habibi: what indicators do you use for your own trades?
[2016-11-03 23:20:38] sleger : numero: he uses rapid contra indicator
[2016-11-03 23:21:09] habibi : numero: volume for altcoins, for bitcoin trying only to catch buy on panic selling/sell on fomo
[2016-11-03 23:21:14] muirtastic : lockhedge: hover it where? I can't get it to work
[2016-11-03 23:21:31] numero : sleger: is that a troll thing?
[2016-11-03 23:22:17] lockhedge : muirtastic: where it says "Funding Rate0.0484% in 5 hours" in the left side bar
[2016-11-03 23:23:43] muirtastic : lockhedge: awesome..thank you rule
[2016-11-03 23:23:55] muirtastic : thanks, you rule. I didn't even see that over there
[2016-11-03 23:25:28] lockhedge : muirtastic: just keep in mind, this is only a prediction based on the average rates since last funding, so it will adjust within the next 5 hours.
[2016-11-03 23:26:57] muirtastic : lockhedge: Yes I realize that it could change dramatically with market conditions but at least it's some useful data for what it is
[2016-11-03 23:33:52] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Sam: getting "You have been initiating too many requests." from the front-end proxy. what's the limit on that?
[2016-11-03 23:35:23] BitMEX_Greg : miramm1115: Sam is away at the moment. I need to check on this
[2016-11-03 23:35:55] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Greg: no problem, I'll send an email
[2016-11-03 23:36:06] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks, will send it to Sam to answer when he is online
[2016-11-03 23:40:01] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/whalecalls/status/794323112053641216
[2016-11-03 23:40:04] wurstgelee : thats some...
[2016-11-03 23:41:43] TwinnerD : 1 contract = 1 BTC there?
[2016-11-03 23:43:13] BitMEX_Greg : 1 contract = $100 I think
[2016-11-03 23:44:07] Chumba : Hi
[2016-11-03 23:44:28] Chumba : How do I trade
[2016-11-03 23:45:27] habibi : i have no energy left to be asshole anymore, sleger maybe u will help ^^
[2016-11-03 23:47:30] mjones : what happened to the +10 and +100 buttons?
[2016-11-03 23:48:44] sleger : Chumba: ChumbaChumba
[2016-11-03 23:51:49] wurstgelee : mjones: 3 btc each
[2016-11-03 23:53:09] Chumba : slegersleger
[2016-11-03 23:54:35] sleger : hey I taught the monkey something
[2016-11-03 23:54:36] Chumba : What do the different colors mean
[2016-11-03 23:54:52] sleger : green is admin
[2016-11-03 23:55:35] Chumba : what about my color
[2016-11-03 23:56:17] wurstgelee : piss with a hint of kiwi i'd say
[2016-11-03 23:56:56] Chumba : I want to buy ZEC, what is the easiest way to do it
[2016-11-03 23:57:02] wurstgelee : press buy
[2016-11-03 23:58:11] sleger : his color: diarrhea, very liquid
[2016-11-03 23:58:24] kradiav : Chumba: start a fire and throw your money their, same result
[2016-11-03 23:58:55] wurstgelee : or give it to me
[2016-11-03 23:58:58] ZeroCrash : kradiav: Exactly
[2016-11-03 23:58:59] wurstgelee : same result
[2016-11-03 23:59:00] Chumba : there*
[2016-11-03 23:59:13] Tetsuo : whis
[2016-11-03 23:59:19] wurstgelee : whis what?
[2016-11-03 23:59:20] ZeroCrash : You buy ZeroCash... and that's exactly what you'll have...ZERO CASH
[2016-11-03 23:59:42] pigeons : wakawaka
[2016-11-04 00:00:08] wurstgelee : oh look, pigeons!
[2016-11-04 00:00:27] ZeroCrash : I'd short the hell out of ZEC... but Bitmex doesn't accept deposits from the States >.<
[2016-11-04 00:00:40] wurstgelee : id buy all your shorts
[2016-11-04 00:01:05] ZeroCrash : Lol, It's already shorted down to .5 So, you're not really buying the shorts, now Are you?
[2016-11-04 00:01:19] wurstgelee : i have been seens its been listed here
[2016-11-04 00:01:42] wurstgelee : ~1 month before launch or sth
[2016-11-04 00:01:46] wurstgelee : +7-
[2016-11-04 00:01:50] wurstgelee : +/-
[2016-11-04 00:02:11] wurstgelee : wtf. i have been seens?
[2016-11-04 00:02:15] ZeroCrash : Well... Guess you'll Have Zero cash when you close them out ;)
[2016-11-04 00:02:24] wurstgelee : that was supposed to be i have been doing that
[2016-11-04 00:02:34] wurstgelee : i guess you are wrong
[2016-11-04 00:02:36] wurstgelee : by far
[2016-11-04 00:02:50] Chumba : ZeroCrash are you an admin too
[2016-11-04 00:03:13] ZeroCrash : Chumba: Why do you ask?
[2016-11-04 00:03:16] sleger : yes he is
[2016-11-04 00:03:19] wurstgelee : Chumba: admins have BitMEX in front of their nick
[2016-11-04 00:03:24] jan : hi liquidation order is at market price or price on bitmex?
[2016-11-04 00:03:26] sleger : wurstgelee: you suck
[2016-11-04 00:03:26] Chumba : more green that sleger
[2016-11-04 00:03:27] wurstgelee : lol come on...
[2016-11-04 00:03:29] wurstgelee : thats mean
[2016-11-04 00:03:31] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-04 00:03:45] BitMEX_Greg : jan: Hi, liquidations are done at Mark Price
[2016-11-04 00:03:51] wurstgelee : he didnt do anything to deserve that yet ;)
[2016-11-04 00:06:16] jan : thx So market price is average bitmex and bitstamp? @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-11-04 00:06:57] BitMEX_Greg : jan: well the Index Price is 50/50 Stamp and O..KCoin USD
[2016-11-04 00:07:15] BitMEX_Greg : The Mark Price is then a combination of that and the current premium levels
[2016-11-04 00:07:33] BitMEX_Greg : Right now the Index Price is 685.70 and the Mark Price is 685.86
[2016-11-04 00:07:59] BitMEX_Greg : you can take a look on top of the orderbook (hover over the numbers), or on the left side of the screen under "Contract Details: XBTUSD"
[2016-11-04 00:08:22] rapidtrades : some forex brokers already planning reduction of leverage on election day
[2016-11-04 00:08:43] rapidtrades : ridiculous, leverage is there except when u need it most
[2016-11-04 00:09:18] wurstgelee : election day will be interesting
[2016-11-04 00:09:26] wurstgelee : if trump wins
[2016-11-04 00:09:31] wurstgelee : otherwise nothing happens
[2016-11-04 00:09:36] jan : thx I see @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-11-04 00:09:36] wurstgelee : or not as much
[2016-11-04 00:10:32] Shaman : What if hillary wins and is indicted on the same day?
[2016-11-04 00:10:54] rapidtrades : oh shit
[2016-11-04 00:11:26] rapidtrades : 'We're safe BUY BUY BUY....we're dead'
[2016-11-04 00:11:30] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: some banks are getting traders in overnight too
[2016-11-04 00:12:46] ZeroCrash : wurstgelee: I'm waiting for Obama to evoke a national emergency under Exective order 13606 (The number might be wrong)
[2016-11-04 00:12:57] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: traders in overnight to...purchase btc?
[2016-11-04 00:13:05] wurstgelee : oh wtf....
[2016-11-04 00:13:10] wurstgelee : socket timeouts again
[2016-11-04 00:13:13] wurstgelee : ANNOYING
[2016-11-04 00:13:32] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2016-11-04 00:13:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 684.27 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-04 00:13:34] wurstgelee : there werent even liquidations...
[2016-11-04 00:13:43] wurstgelee : and its lagging af
[2016-11-04 00:13:55] ZeroCrash : 13603 is the correct number
[2016-11-04 00:13:59] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: FX and commodity markets
[2016-11-04 00:14:20] lockhedge : seems like we have a reliable liquidations indicator now
[2016-11-04 00:14:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 682.54
[2016-11-04 00:15:10] wurstgelee : to dive or not to dive
[2016-11-04 00:15:19] TwinnerD : BitMEX_Greg: could you please add sorting to the active orders. want to sort them by price
[2016-11-04 00:15:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6666 @ 681.77
[2016-11-04 00:16:16] QuantFocus : we might be hitting 650 boys
[2016-11-04 00:16:28] BitMEX_Greg : TwinnerD: WIll bring it up to Sam
[2016-11-04 00:17:14] rapidtrades : why does the cost of margin vary so much when I enter different entry prices...example at 650 it's 4x as much as at 680
[2016-11-04 00:17:39] rapidtrades : the cost number u see right below buy/sell buttons
[2016-11-04 00:18:51] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: I think you need to multiply it out into USD
[2016-11-04 00:18:55] rapidtrades : 650-680 is only 4% yes u see a difference of 4x in margin cost
[2016-11-04 00:19:22] rapidtrades : it seems wildly innaccurate the further u go from current prices
[2016-11-04 00:19:23] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Are you doing a short?
[2016-11-04 00:19:29] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-11-04 00:19:46] BitMEX_Greg : Right, so you need to fully fund if you are selling below the Impact Bid price
[2016-11-04 00:19:54] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: dangerous time to short, no?
[2016-11-04 00:20:05] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: what does fully fund mean
[2016-11-04 00:20:11] BitMEX_Greg : leverage = 1
[2016-11-04 00:20:17] rapidtrades : weird
[2016-11-04 00:20:23] tb : it makes sense
[2016-11-04 00:20:28] tb : otherwise you may get margin called immediately
[2016-11-04 00:20:33] BitMEX_Greg : Right
[2016-11-04 00:20:35] BitMEX_Wally : tb: Correct
[2016-11-04 00:20:38] rapidtrades : ah i think i see
[2016-11-04 00:20:56] rapidtrades : so it shows my loss from 650>680 in the total?
[2016-11-04 00:21:02] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Basically
[2016-11-04 00:21:15] rapidtrades : ok tnx...it was bothering me
[2016-11-04 00:22:05] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: if I'm on cross the margin cost is 100/1 right?
[2016-11-04 00:22:59] BitMEX_Wally : 1/100 i.e. 1% yes, plus funding rate and taker fee etc
[2016-11-04 00:23:12] rapidtrades : got it thanks
[2016-11-04 00:24:10] tb : im still confused about position reducing orders in the depth causing risk limit to go up
[2016-11-04 00:24:24] sleger : I'm sad, will never get paid that Predicted Funding Rate -2.3183% on lisk :(
[2016-11-04 00:24:37] CaptainDean : lift off
[2016-11-04 00:24:57] rapidtrades : sleger: why
[2016-11-04 00:25:07] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: did you get your short in?
[2016-11-04 00:25:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 8 @ 688.78
[2016-11-04 00:25:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 15005 @ 688.67
[2016-11-04 00:25:13] sleger : swap's leaving us
[2016-11-04 00:25:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10000 @ 690.34
[2016-11-04 00:25:26] mjones : pump btc
[2016-11-04 00:25:28] BitMEX_Wally : We are replacing the altcoin swaps with futures
[2016-11-04 00:25:37] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: not yet, was just planning it out to see if I have enough funds
[2016-11-04 00:25:47] BitMEX_Wally : tb: What is your question regarding?
[2016-11-04 00:25:49] BitMEX_Greg : luck
[2016-11-04 00:25:53] BitMEX_Greg : lucky*
[2016-11-04 00:26:51] tb : BitMEX_Wally: say i have a short position of x and i place a bid in the depth to close the position
[2016-11-04 00:26:56] tb : why does that increase my risk limit
[2016-11-04 00:27:13] wurstgelee : nice rebound
[2016-11-04 00:27:18] wurstgelee : gogogo ;)
[2016-11-04 00:27:20] TwinnerD : BitMEX_Wally: whats the reason for this?
[2016-11-04 00:28:03] BitMEX_Wally : TwinnerD: Risk Limit is set manually by you, orders do not change it
[2016-11-04 00:28:07] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: another q....due to my ZEC entry at 3, it's costing me 1.5 btc per contract but the max I can lose from here if 0.6 BTC even if it goes to 0....essentially locking up 1 BTC in margin for nothing
[2016-11-04 00:28:25] rapidtrades : is there a way to fix this or is this how it's suppose to work
[2016-11-04 00:28:27] BitMEX_Wally : Orders and positions are summed to give your Risk Value if this is what you mean?
[2016-11-04 00:28:52] tb : sure, but shouldn't positions that offset your order not increase your risk limit?
[2016-11-04 00:29:01] tb : so like if im short 100 contracts placing a sell would increase it
[2016-11-04 00:29:12] tb : but placing a buy up to 200 would not?
[2016-11-04 00:29:43] BitMEX_Wally : No, if you are short 100 contracts then placing a sell would increase your Risk Value. It would not change the limit, that is set manually by you
[2016-11-04 00:30:02] tb : sorry substitute risk limit for risk value
[2016-11-04 00:30:14] tb : or position size
[2016-11-04 00:30:28] tb : here's the hypothetical scenario
[2016-11-04 00:30:30] BitMEX_Wally : If you are short 100 XBT then your risk value is 100 XBT. If you then place a bid to buy back 100 XBT your risk value is still 100 XBT because we net them
[2016-11-04 00:30:55] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: did u dive in :)
[2016-11-04 00:31:12] wurstgelee : nah, fomo longed some
[2016-11-04 00:31:39] tb : BitMEX_Wally: can you look at my account?
[2016-11-04 00:31:46] BitMEX_Wally : tb: Sure
[2016-11-04 00:31:54] tb : BitMEX_Wally: I don't think my risk values for xbtusd are netted
[2016-11-04 00:32:29] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: how's the mining experiment going?
[2016-11-04 00:32:37] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: no mining
[2016-11-04 00:32:52] wurstgelee : holding my remaining longs well in profit, waiting for adl ;)
[2016-11-04 00:34:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 50001 @ 694.13 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-11-04 00:34:41] bernx : free money cut todat
[2016-11-04 00:36:26] BitMEX_Wally : tb: You have open orders that far exceed your position. So basically your risk value is the value of your open orders
[2016-11-04 00:36:45] tb : why is that though, shouldn't they be netted?
[2016-11-04 00:36:56] tb : market moves up and i get rekt, my orders get pulled
[2016-11-04 00:37:18] tb : market moves down and hits my orders, my position can only increase by the net of my open position and orders
[2016-11-04 00:37:33] BitMEX_Wally : tb: If I am long 100 XBT and have a sell order for 100 XBT this is not netted to a 0 risk value
[2016-11-04 00:37:46] tb : i agree
[2016-11-04 00:37:55] BitMEX_Wally : The long position is netted against the sell orders so your risk value is treated as 100 XBT plus 0
[2016-11-04 00:38:45] BitMEX_Wally : In your case you have qty of -188 and open orders to buy of 400 so after netting these are open orders of 212, so your risk value is 188 + 212 = 400
[2016-11-04 00:39:11] BitMEX_Wally : (in qty terms)
[2016-11-04 00:39:37] tb : wouldn't doing something like min(open position, net(offsetting orders, open position + non-offsetting orders))
[2016-11-04 00:40:07] rapidtrades : btc so volatile, pick a calmer coin like ZEC
[2016-11-04 00:40:12] john1243 : god damnit
[2016-11-04 00:40:33] sleger : tuberculosis: he is right
[2016-11-04 00:40:43] john1243 : liquidated cause I went too hard margin and it hit my target
[2016-11-04 00:40:49] tb : but wally, my risk value is not 400
[2016-11-04 00:40:51] john1243 : smh
[2016-11-04 00:40:55] tb : it is around 600
[2016-11-04 00:41:01] tb : i agree it should be around 400
[2016-11-04 00:41:09] tb : that's why i asked my question
[2016-11-04 00:41:17] Tetsuo : 500 would be fine too
[2016-11-04 00:41:27] tb : i have to pay 4% more to insurance fund if i get liquidated
[2016-11-04 00:41:30] sleger : john1243: that's to be expected, when you cant count to four
[2016-11-04 00:41:52] wurstgelee : btc is a funny guy today
[2016-11-04 00:41:56] john1243 : sleger: genly carrress you
[2016-11-04 00:41:59] wurstgelee : great humour
[2016-11-04 00:42:04] QuantFocus : dang
[2016-11-04 00:42:04] rapidtrades : i can't figure out who's the bigger ahole..
[2016-11-04 00:42:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 200 @ 697.50
[2016-11-04 00:42:09] rapidtrades : sleger or sledger
[2016-11-04 00:42:11] QuantFocus : getting violent in here
[2016-11-04 00:42:18] wurstgelee : butthurt
[2016-11-04 00:42:20] QuantFocus : quite hostile
[2016-11-04 00:42:38] john1243 : yeah I'm butthurt
[2016-11-04 00:42:51] Chumba : 1 2 3 4
[2016-11-04 00:42:56] l3f : choo choo
[2016-11-04 00:42:57] sleger : even the monkey gets it
[2016-11-04 00:43:03] sleger : good chumba, good
[2016-11-04 00:43:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5200 @ 699.18
[2016-11-04 00:43:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 193 @ 0.01555
[2016-11-04 00:43:14] muirtastic : nice bounce..670 to 699 on stamp
[2016-11-04 00:43:17] BitMEX_Wally : tb: riskValue is defined as (abs markValue)+grossOpenCost where grossOpenCost is what we use to calculate initMargin (i.e. it is already netted against position). I understand you have a position of -188 and orders to flip it to +212 so only want a risk value of 212 but we are conservative so it is 400
[2016-11-04 00:43:37] Tetsuo : sleger: lol, i appreciate the work you´re doin here
[2016-11-04 00:44:34] wurstgelee : yeah, he is on fire today
[2016-11-04 00:45:18] TwinnerD : I am too scared to go to sleep
[2016-11-04 00:45:53] Chumba : I used to be scared of the boogeyman too
[2016-11-04 00:46:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.006271
[2016-11-04 00:46:03] tb : understood
[2016-11-04 00:46:35] tb : it just doesn't seem like its someplace where being more conservative changes anything for you guys on the risk side
[2016-11-04 00:47:01] Tetsuo : TwinnerD: do it, china will just try to zigzag rekt every margin noob in the the next hours
[2016-11-04 00:47:34] rapidtrades : china is crazy right now...could go either way
[2016-11-04 00:47:38] tb : a user has to double the risk value of their position in order to flip it with a limit order
[2016-11-04 00:47:51] TwinnerD : not scared of being rekt. Just don't want to miss out on juicy dumps
[2016-11-04 00:48:27] CaptainDean : Yeah we jusssttt missed two previous top, it might go down :P
[2016-11-04 00:48:58] BitMEX_Wally : tb: I'll look into it and see if we can change the calculation
[2016-11-04 00:49:08] tb : i think something like
[2016-11-04 00:49:26] blacktuesday : who's buying 119 zec?
[2016-11-04 00:49:38] blacktuesday : thats a big order
[2016-11-04 00:49:50] Tetsuo : rapid your rescure arrived
[2016-11-04 00:49:55] tb : abs(mark value) + open cost for orders to increase position - open cost for orders to decrease position
[2016-11-04 00:50:12] tb : would work and wouldn't increase risk for you guys
[2016-11-04 00:50:28] tb : then i guess the issue is people will complain cancelling orders will increase their risk value lol
[2016-11-04 00:51:18] tb : my above calculation doesn't work
[2016-11-04 00:51:46] tb : yeah its not a straightforward one
[2016-11-04 00:52:05] sleger : tb: yes it is
[2016-11-04 00:52:16] sleger : let's see if @Chumba can figure it out
[2016-11-04 00:52:47] tb : you cant really offset working orders
[2016-11-04 00:52:49] BitMEX_Wally : tb: It's complicated by the fact we use markPrice for the position, but the limit price for the orders
[2016-11-04 00:53:17] tb : but i hope you understand its a pain point for me
[2016-11-04 00:53:20] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: prolly part of Operation Marco Polo
[2016-11-04 00:53:24] tb : because i have to double my risk value to flip position
[2016-11-04 00:53:27] BitMEX_Wally : non working orders are not even counted anyway. only those active in the order book
[2016-11-04 00:53:44] BitMEX_Wally : tb: I've raised an issue we'll look into the mathematics
[2016-11-04 00:53:48] tb : ok thanks
[2016-11-04 00:55:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 18 @ 697.75
[2016-11-04 00:58:04] public username 321 : blacktuesday: that zec-order really isn't big. That's two hours of mining right now.
[2016-11-04 00:58:14] public username 321 : and it's gone
[2016-11-04 00:58:30] blacktuesday : 2 hours of mining on what? lol
[2016-11-04 00:58:36] blacktuesday : how many GPU's?
[2016-11-04 00:58:42] public username 321 : blacktuesday: the entire network
[2016-11-04 00:58:46] blacktuesday : oh lmao
[2016-11-04 00:58:52] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-11-04 00:58:53] blacktuesday : i consider that big order
[2016-11-04 00:59:00] blacktuesday : its back
[2016-11-04 00:59:06] blacktuesday : 150 at 0.56 now
[2016-11-04 00:59:32] blacktuesday : someone wants in
[2016-11-04 00:59:38] rapidtrades : shorts have nothing to fear but fear itself
[2016-11-04 01:00:19] public username 321 : blacktuesday: it's really not that big if you think about it
[2016-11-04 01:00:39] Tetsuo : is it big?
[2016-11-04 01:00:52] rapidtrades : ofc its big....don't only 10% of mined ZEC go to polo? and that's the biggest exchange
[2016-11-04 01:01:05] Tetsuo : no biggy
[2016-11-04 01:01:24] rapidtrades : yeah just a day's worth of mining for the entire network
[2016-11-04 01:01:42] Tetsuo : that seems big
[2016-11-04 01:01:50] rapidtrades : i mean a day's supply on polo
[2016-11-04 01:02:48] public username 321 : btc network costs 150 btc in 2 hours - zec network costs almost the same at the price of polo in the same time
[2016-11-04 01:03:06] Tetsuo : what should ppl do? buy before we reach the new upper limi? aka 100 BTC?
[2016-11-04 01:03:14] public username 321 : Soon zec network will be more expensive than btc network - even on this tiny marketcap
[2016-11-04 01:03:25] rapidtrades : that seems like the only smart choice right now @Tetsuo
[2016-11-04 01:03:39] rapidtrades : like I literally can't think of anything else to do
[2016-11-04 01:03:57] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: or short with a liq above 100?
[2016-11-04 01:04:07] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-11-04 01:08:29] Chumba : good time to buy ZEC
[2016-11-04 01:09:46] Tetsuo : www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-03/breaking-news-wikileaks-email-dump-hillary-and-goldman-behind-zec
[2016-11-04 01:10:26] Tetsuo : clash of the titans as trump supports BTC
[2016-11-04 01:11:46] Tetsuo : BTC/BTC will go above 1 if trump wins
[2016-11-04 01:12:06] BitMEX_Greg : then buy now while it's cheap eh?
[2016-11-04 01:12:14] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Greg: smart money
[2016-11-04 01:15:01] rapidtrades : is XBTZ16 considered stable right now?
[2016-11-04 01:15:41] BitMEX_Greg : in what respect?
[2016-11-04 01:16:00] messiaen8844 : if you buy it it will crash, leave it alone
[2016-11-04 01:16:41] rapidtrades : in terms of following price, ppl have been reporting lot of spiks on non-swap BTC @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-11-04 01:16:52] rapidtrades : spikes
[2016-11-04 01:17:04] BitMEX_Greg : I think it may just be the basis blowing out from fomo longs
[2016-11-04 01:17:32] BitMEX_Greg : the lead MM is still there
[2016-11-04 01:18:09] rapidtrades : ppl are no longer fomoing the swap....maybe time to transition over there
[2016-11-04 01:18:17] rapidtrades : $35 premium is still farily high
[2016-11-04 01:18:44] rapidtrades : ah its $22...must've seen it wrong
[2016-11-04 01:19:02] sleger : that or you cant substract
[2016-11-04 01:19:06] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah kind of cheap
[2016-11-04 01:19:46] Chumba : 720 - 698 = 22
[2016-11-04 01:20:56] sleger : Chumba good judgment chumba
[2016-11-04 01:21:17] rapidtrades : sleger: are u still net long BTC?
[2016-11-04 01:21:27] sleger : yes
[2016-11-04 01:23:04] Chumba : good time to buy ZEC and sell bitcoin
[2016-11-04 01:23:09] Chumba : china ban bad
[2016-11-04 01:27:19] sleger : Chumba: didn't you star in some space opera movies directed by G Lucas ?
[2016-11-04 01:28:02] javierstone : http://www.newsweek.com/major-broker-adds-bitcoin-its-books-516600?utm_content=buffer48b8b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[2016-11-04 01:28:53] Chumba : a klingon?
[2016-11-04 01:29:08] sleger : in a galazy far far away....
[2016-11-04 01:29:22] rapidtrades : Star Trek?
[2016-11-04 01:29:45] sleger : almost
[2016-11-04 01:29:48] jose : Trek Wars
[2016-11-04 01:30:05] sleger : jose: go back sweeping hallways
[2016-11-04 01:30:13] rapidtrades : Wars Among the Stars
[2016-11-04 01:30:31] sleger : yes, there was a character with a similar name
[2016-11-04 01:30:38] sleger : ChumbaK
[2016-11-04 01:31:24] Tetsuo : Charlton Heston? Planet of the Apes?
[2016-11-04 01:31:40] rapidtrades : that was Earth not in space
[2016-11-04 01:31:49] Tetsuo : true : - (
[2016-11-04 01:31:49] rapidtrades : sorry for the spoiler
[2016-11-04 01:33:55] Tetsuo : Charlton Heston: " U won´t get my precious BTC **from my cold dead hands**
[2016-11-04 01:35:02] rapidtrades : there was this guy that had a bitcoin QR code tattoed on his head
[2016-11-04 01:35:10] rapidtrades : what would be the point of that
[2016-11-04 01:35:26] Monty : sleger: this looks like u mate: http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2016y/04/29/16/1/small_0865-misssweeney-gorgeous-pinup-model-gulping-down-horse-cock.gif
[2016-11-04 01:35:31] rapidtrades : maybe it was a public key idk
[2016-11-04 01:35:42] Tetsuo : /ban monty
[2016-11-04 01:35:49] rapidtrades : he got paid to fix elections
[2016-11-04 01:36:04] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: ban Monty
[2016-11-04 01:36:09] rapidtrades : +3
[2016-11-04 01:36:42] BitMEX_Greg : haha, oh my
[2016-11-04 01:36:43] Monty : oooo touched a nerve did i?