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[2016-11-03 19:23:31] wurstgelee : or at least think again
[2016-11-03 19:23:33] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 19:23:59] wurstgelee : if that happens, lean back if fuds gets less, buy in and see it shoot to the upside
[2016-11-03 19:24:01] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 19:25:09] wotan : yes sure money is beside foor that case
[2016-11-03 19:30:26] wurstgelee : made a small bet on "this is all fucking bullshit"
[2016-11-03 19:30:30] wurstgelee : longed 693 ;)
[2016-11-03 19:30:39] wurstgelee : and right on time it seems
[2016-11-03 19:30:40] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-03 19:31:41] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: call me next time ! :D
[2016-11-03 19:31:52] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: hm?
[2016-11-03 19:31:56] wurstgelee : i dont get it :)
[2016-11-03 19:32:00] wurstgelee : oh..lol
[2016-11-03 19:32:01] wurstgelee : that long
[2016-11-03 19:32:02] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-03 19:32:08] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: Give a me call next time (before you go a position)
[2016-11-03 19:32:13] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-03 19:32:14] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: i was kidding
[2016-11-03 19:32:22] CaptainDean : on a postiion*
[2016-11-03 19:32:26] wurstgelee : spontaneous decision. i decided china news is fake and/or bullshit
[2016-11-03 19:32:31] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-11-03 19:32:32] wotan : good job wurstgelee
[2016-11-03 19:37:59] wurstgelee : there we go....
[2016-11-03 19:41:23] javierstone : dow is going to close below 18k for second day in a row
[2016-11-03 19:41:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 44163 @ 700.75 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-03 19:41:44] habibi : :D
[2016-11-03 19:41:56] wurstgelee : ha
[2016-11-03 19:42:11] wotan : javierstone: wheres the plunge protection team who keep the dow with fed money over 18?
[2016-11-03 19:42:28] javierstone : wotan: they are writing zerohedge articles
[2016-11-03 19:42:41] wotan : javierstone: :))
[2016-11-03 19:43:09] wotan : javierstone: stocks will be interesting before and after elections
[2016-11-03 19:43:26] zanza : PPT on vaca waiting for election to finish
[2016-11-03 19:45:28] zanza : anyone like the new 1broker layout ?
[2016-11-03 19:45:41] wurstgelee : didnt even check it tbh
[2016-11-03 19:45:59] wurstgelee : here we are again @ 700
[2016-11-03 19:46:11] wurstgelee : short time no see
[2016-11-03 19:46:13] javierstone : i just went long at 700
[2016-11-03 19:46:27] wurstgelee : holding mine
[2016-11-03 19:46:41] wurstgelee : added some @ 700 tho
[2016-11-03 19:47:27] Tetsuo : back to 5000 cny soon
[2016-11-03 19:47:29] wurstgelee : ecxellent....
[2016-11-03 19:47:45] rapidtrades : it's not going back....we just dropped 10%
[2016-11-03 19:47:51] wurstgelee : time to open one of my new babies
[2016-11-03 19:48:10] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: 4900 at least u grumpy pervert
[2016-11-03 19:48:16] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: ;)
[2016-11-03 19:48:25] wurstgelee : i dont think 5k
[2016-11-03 19:48:33] rapidtrades : 4900 seems way too high
[2016-11-03 19:48:34] wurstgelee : i would consider dumping @ 4850 mebbe to be safe
[2016-11-03 19:48:57] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: i have staggered sells all the way up
[2016-11-03 19:49:04] shiroe : red candles incoming :)
[2016-11-03 19:49:05] wurstgelee : *subject to change
[2016-11-03 19:49:07] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 19:49:09] javierstone : i think we are going to see a rally when the dow news stars to circulate
[2016-11-03 19:49:14] lockhedge : how do ppl from mainland china currently fund their accounts at chinese exchanges?
[2016-11-03 19:49:35] rapidtrades : same as us i guess? btc?
[2016-11-03 19:50:18] lockhedge : but how do they get cny into their accounts? can china ban fiat deposits to exchanges?
[2016-11-03 19:50:34] rapidtrades : i think they already did
[2016-11-03 19:51:02] javierstone : there's gonna be another rally
[2016-11-03 19:51:07] rapidtrades : then the exchanges found some workaround
[2016-11-03 19:51:27] javierstone : Stocks slipped Thursday, putting the S&P 500 on track for its longest stretch of declines since October 2008.
[2016-11-03 19:51:34] javierstone : http://www.wsj.com/articles/stocks-struggle-to-regain-upward-momentum-1478162194
[2016-11-03 19:51:44] rapidtrades : cash deposits, vouchers, who knows what they're doing
[2016-11-03 19:52:22] javierstone : payments in china are crazy. the experience of paying for a taxi is nuts. they'll figure out a way to get around anything. that news is bunk
[2016-11-03 19:52:28] aethlios : no update from the news?? bloomberg should make an announcement
[2016-11-03 19:52:41] laisee : if banned, they wil find another way ... chinese are pretty good at evading gvt controls, by practice
[2016-11-03 19:52:53] rapidtrades : yeah im sure it's their priority to make an announcement @aethlios
[2016-11-03 19:53:48] wurstgelee : sooooo...everyone waiting for funding before long?
[2016-11-03 19:53:49] wurstgelee : :P
[2016-11-03 19:53:59] javierstone : ah fuck i forgot about that
[2016-11-03 19:54:05] wurstgelee : javierstone: me 2
[2016-11-03 19:54:06] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-03 19:54:08] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-03 19:54:27] rapidtrades : don't forgot to pump again
[2016-11-03 19:54:32] javierstone : The S&P 500 has logged losses in the seven sessions through Wednesday, the first time it's done so since November 2011. And with stocks slipping Thursday, the losing streak is set to extend even further, which would make for a highly unusual occurrence.
[2016-11-03 19:54:35] rapidtrades : so i can get my funding
[2016-11-03 19:54:35] wurstgelee : so please jump up $3 to not make me regret ;)
[2016-11-03 19:54:41] javierstone : http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/03/the-sp-500-is-at-risk-of-doing-something-its-done-just-once-in-the-past-two-decades.html
[2016-11-03 19:54:45] laisee : pimping in 16 mins?
[2016-11-03 19:54:53] laisee : ^i^u
[2016-11-03 19:54:54] wurstgelee : whats in 16?
[2016-11-03 19:55:00] wurstgelee : 5?
[2016-11-03 19:55:11] wurstgelee : funding? ;)
[2016-11-03 19:55:24] rapidtrades : u shouldn't try to cheap funding @wurstgelee
[2016-11-03 19:55:30] rapidtrades : cheat
[2016-11-03 19:55:33] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: i didnt
[2016-11-03 19:55:37] wurstgelee : i forgot
[2016-11-03 19:55:37] numero : anyone short crude these days? it's going quite well
[2016-11-03 19:55:38] laisee : mishtake
[2016-11-03 19:55:38] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 19:55:59] wurstgelee : also the after-fundinr run yields good results if you catch any ;)
[2016-11-03 19:56:03] wurstgelee : *g
[2016-11-03 20:00:50] wurstgelee : next move up
[2016-11-03 20:01:15] shiroe : sideways, another pending drop.
[2016-11-03 20:01:23] wurstgelee : shiroe: we will see ;)
[2016-11-03 20:01:57] wurstgelee : shiroe: i win ;)
[2016-11-03 20:02:09] javierstone : stock market news is going to be bad
[2016-11-03 20:02:54] aethlios : please post any news if you learn anything.
[2016-11-03 20:03:22] wurstgelee : +1
[2016-11-03 20:03:44] shiroe : 4800 resistance. hmmm.. go to 4500! fast.
[2016-11-03 20:04:01] javierstone : nah they are gonna break 4800
[2016-11-03 20:04:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 10 @ 0.01531
[2016-11-03 20:05:04] javierstone : okcoin and hubboi just broke 4800
[2016-11-03 20:05:22] wurstgelee : shiroe: next move was clearly up i'd say
[2016-11-03 20:05:24] wurstgelee : i win ;)
[2016-11-03 20:05:40] wotan : javierstone: this sp 500 news is interesting thanks for sharing, although its just 3 percent dip during last 8 days its historical very rare
[2016-11-03 20:05:50] shiroe : wurstgelee: could be :)
[2016-11-03 20:05:58] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-03 20:06:16] shiroe : it was teasing the top, but the sell was huge.
[2016-11-03 20:06:28] shiroe : though it always ends green. lol
[2016-11-03 20:06:39] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 20:06:39] javierstone : ya but psycologically the fed has been worried about any dip below 18k for down and 2k dip S&P
[2016-11-03 20:06:43] javierstone : plus they wanna raise the rate in december
[2016-11-03 20:07:05] javierstone : people are dellusional in the US right now
[2016-11-03 20:07:28] wotan : javierstone: yea but lets see f they ever rise this rate i would not be suprised to see now rise at december although many expecting it
[2016-11-03 20:07:43] wotan : no rise i mean
[2016-11-03 20:07:58] javierstone : its gonna get weird for sure
[2016-11-03 20:08:06] wotan : normally good tiem to do a nice short ion sp500
[2016-11-03 20:08:33] wotan : but im not much into trading on stock markets
[2016-11-03 20:08:56] javierstone : here we go post-stock market btc rally
[2016-11-03 20:08:57] wotan : im watching it very close but for trading i prefer other fields
[2016-11-03 20:08:58] javierstone : lez do it
[2016-11-03 20:09:20] javierstone : it would be amazing if it got bakc to 730 levels today
[2016-11-03 20:09:58] john1243 : damnit, should have set a stop-los
[2016-11-03 20:10:03] wurstgelee : uh oh...
[2016-11-03 20:10:05] wotan : a bit sidewy movement for some days would be nice too for btc
[2016-11-03 20:10:14] shiroe : road to 666 btc. lol
[2016-11-03 20:10:40] wurstgelee : hhe
[2016-11-03 20:10:43] wurstgelee : i am out ;)
[2016-11-03 20:10:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4000 @ 701.78
[2016-11-03 20:10:52] wotan : shiroe: nooo;)
[2016-11-03 20:10:59] wurstgelee : this is too much of a shitshow...
[2016-11-03 20:11:04] wurstgelee : popcorn time
[2016-11-03 20:11:12] shiroe : rekt time!
[2016-11-03 20:11:23] wotan : wurstgelee: as long as your in profit concrats to you
[2016-11-03 20:11:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 698.19 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-03 20:11:59] wurstgelee : wotan: lol. weird day. bought and sold prob at least 500k contracts today
[2016-11-03 20:12:07] wurstgelee : realised pnl +.064
[2016-11-03 20:12:09] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-03 20:12:35] Shaman : yeah, bumpy ride today
[2016-11-03 20:12:38] habibi : wurstgelee: at least u paid some nasty fees in meanwhile
[2016-11-03 20:12:49] wurstgelee : habibi: yep, i supported bitmex
[2016-11-03 20:12:57] wurstgelee : also the MMs
[2016-11-03 20:13:00] wotan : wurstgelee: :)) profit is profit
[2016-11-03 20:13:05] wurstgelee : 80% market orders today
[2016-11-03 20:13:10] wurstgelee : if not more
[2016-11-03 20:14:08] wurstgelee : wotan: if had had known before, i wouldnt have taken the risk of engaging in knife-catching
[2016-11-03 20:14:15] wurstgelee : not for this profit
[2016-11-03 20:14:16] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 20:14:42] wurstgelee : but it was fun
[2016-11-03 20:14:45] wurstgelee : thats something =)
[2016-11-03 20:14:47] habibi : ~200 $ in fees, will be enough for 2 hours of bodyguard service when sally will come for them :p
[2016-11-03 20:14:54] wurstgelee : habibi: hehe
[2016-11-03 20:15:02] shiroe : i prefer going eth long back to .0175
[2016-11-03 20:15:24] wurstgelee : didnt reakt much to btc dump
[2016-11-03 20:15:27] wurstgelee : weirdly
[2016-11-03 20:15:29] wurstgelee : *react
[2016-11-03 20:15:52] habibi : shiroe: sleger can send u invitation to eth bagholding club :)
[2016-11-03 20:16:12] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-03 20:16:18] shiroe : habibi: yes pls. and etc bagholding too :P
[2016-11-03 20:16:28] sleger : no not that shit
[2016-11-03 20:16:30] wurstgelee : i was member of the etc bagholding club once
[2016-11-03 20:16:39] wurstgelee : parties suckt, only sausage party
[2016-11-03 20:16:42] wurstgelee : left
[2016-11-03 20:17:26] john1243 : lost nearly all my profits :(
[2016-11-03 20:17:49] shiroe : :troll:
[2016-11-03 20:19:20] shiroe : it'll test 4650 support or way go down 4500. surprise surprise.
[2016-11-03 20:22:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 15000 @ 721.67
[2016-11-03 20:27:43] wurstgelee : ok, one last round... oO
[2016-11-03 20:28:13] y1uy : further leg down?
[2016-11-03 20:28:32] wurstgelee : dunoo, i hope not too soon
[2016-11-03 20:28:33] wurstgelee : i longed ;)
[2016-11-03 20:28:39] wurstgelee : *dunno
[2016-11-03 20:29:04] y1uy : i was stupid for cancelling my long last night
[2016-11-03 20:29:06] y1uy : got cold feed
[2016-11-03 20:29:17] y1uy : cancelling my short*
[2016-11-03 20:29:35] wurstgelee : cold feet are a safe bet, especially in (back then) bullmarkets
[2016-11-03 20:29:48] y1uy : i shorted btc at 740s, closed at 730s
[2016-11-03 20:29:49] wurstgelee : i would do the same if i cant babysit in your situation
[2016-11-03 20:29:59] y1uy : yeah i had to go sleep
[2016-11-03 20:30:06] wurstgelee : exactly
[2016-11-03 20:30:09] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-03 20:30:25] y1uy : but i saw the whole thing, rsi divergence was going bearish
[2016-11-03 20:30:35] y1uy : head and shoulder BTCCNY
[2016-11-03 20:30:42] wurstgelee : if only one could be 1005 sure markets are rational... ;)
[2016-11-03 20:30:54] wurstgelee : 100%
[2016-11-03 20:31:01] y1uy : yeah
[2016-11-03 20:31:13] y1uy : well
[2016-11-03 20:31:26] y1uy : possible for btc to double bottom at 680
[2016-11-03 20:31:39] wurstgelee : that long was a terrible idea
[2016-11-03 20:31:41] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-03 20:31:52] y1uy : i hate overtrading too
[2016-11-03 20:32:04] y1uy : anyway afk gotta run to the pizza shop
[2016-11-03 20:32:17] wurstgelee : yep. shouldnt have taken that one. oh well, sure sign to stop now =)
[2016-11-03 20:32:21] wurstgelee : hf
[2016-11-03 20:32:23] miramm1115 : I turn my bot off for 8 hours and you guys dump bitcoin without me, that's not fair
[2016-11-03 20:32:39] wurstgelee : miramm1115: BECAUSE ....
[2016-11-03 20:32:40] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 20:33:09] lockhedge : miramm1115: welcome back :)
[2016-11-03 20:33:19] miramm1115 : lockhedge: thanks
[2016-11-03 20:34:26] shiroe : btc having fun taking a slide. relaxing. lol
[2016-11-03 20:34:28] john1243 : I shorted at 744 lol
[2016-11-03 20:34:42] miramm1115 : at least I had sizable short positions on most contracts
[2016-11-03 20:35:05] wurstgelee : so my upnl is - .02 right now and i have all 5 lights on....
[2016-11-03 20:35:08] wurstgelee : sure oO
[2016-11-03 20:35:09] john1243 : but I also got cold feet and closed it early
[2016-11-03 20:36:55] mjones : stop btc. we're not going for the all time low
[2016-11-03 20:37:05] lockhedge : miramm1115: last 24h were the worst in my bot's history, a lot of "adverse selection", huge time outs. but at least very decent volume ;)
[2016-11-03 20:37:10] wurstgelee : mjones: :D
[2016-11-03 20:37:27] wurstgelee : mjones: i agre 4740 should hold
[2016-11-03 20:37:30] wurstgelee : *e
[2016-11-03 20:37:32] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 20:37:36] miramm1115 : lockhedge: what about previous few days?
[2016-11-03 20:38:01] john1243 : lockhedge: does your bot make decent money?
[2016-11-03 20:38:05] mjones : yeah that lag shit needs to be fixed. i fomo market bought this wall and i got in $8 higher than i wanted
[2016-11-03 20:38:19] mjones : switched to limit orders
[2016-11-03 20:38:35] sleger : market orders shouldnt exist
[2016-11-03 20:38:56] miramm1115 : market orders exist to help MMs
[2016-11-03 20:38:57] wurstgelee : 24k btc turnover on xbtusd. bitmex, are u happy? ;)
[2016-11-03 20:39:11] martinium : today was a wild day
[2016-11-03 20:39:18] martinium : so much to be made
[2016-11-03 20:39:21] martinium : money*
[2016-11-03 20:39:25] habibi : wurstgelee: its still only 12 btc :(
[2016-11-03 20:39:42] wurstgelee : habibi: still not bad
[2016-11-03 20:39:45] wurstgelee : also other contracts
[2016-11-03 20:39:51] wurstgelee : to lazy to add up
[2016-11-03 20:39:52] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 20:39:54] wurstgelee : *too
[2016-11-03 20:40:14] lockhedge : miramm1115: previous days were fine, i actually don't have any reasons to complain...
[2016-11-03 20:40:48] wurstgelee : did okc just stop delivering data`?
[2016-11-03 20:40:55] wurstgelee : btcwisdom has none
[2016-11-03 20:41:02] wurstgelee : nvm
[2016-11-03 20:41:03] wurstgelee : back
[2016-11-03 20:41:07] habibi : dont rely on btcwisdom
[2016-11-03 20:41:14] miramm1115 : lockhedge: I'm having one of the best weeks overall, last 24h including, but my bots always liked volatility
[2016-11-03 20:42:45] lockhedge : miramm1115: how do you handle 30 seconds timeouts (no way to cancel/amend orders)
[2016-11-03 20:43:03] martinium : miramm1115: what lang did you code your bots in?
[2016-11-03 20:43:17] habibi : martinium: english
[2016-11-03 20:43:27] wurstgelee : ha
[2016-11-03 20:43:30] martinium : habibi: thats not a programming language
[2016-11-03 20:43:31] john1243 : chinese
[2016-11-03 20:43:45] wurstgelee : fortran
[2016-11-03 20:44:10] john1243 : clingon\
[2016-11-03 20:44:11] rapidtrades : guys listen
[2016-11-03 20:44:12] sleger : martinium: for you probably D- would make sense
[2016-11-03 20:44:30] miramm1115 : lockhedge: timeouts always suck, I reduce order size and increase spreads or stop quoting altogether if it gets really bad
[2016-11-03 20:44:35] rapidtrades : reminder fpor Operation Marco Polo
[2016-11-03 20:44:44] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-11-03 20:44:46] wurstgelee : she again...
[2016-11-03 20:44:48] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 20:45:03] john1243 : rapidtrades: what is operation marco polo?
[2016-11-03 20:45:06] habibi : rapidtrades: thats a nice name! :)
[2016-11-03 20:45:17] martinium : sleger: there is a programming lang called D even though you said D- to mess with me :-p
[2016-11-03 20:45:20] rapidtrades : john1243: don't worry about it
[2016-11-03 20:45:21] wurstgelee : i have to agree on the name tho
[2016-11-03 20:45:21] miramm1115 : martinium: C#/F# plus node.js for some exchange gateways
[2016-11-03 20:45:22] wurstgelee : good one
[2016-11-03 20:45:33] martinium : miramm1115: cool.
[2016-11-03 20:45:58] john1243 : rapidtrades: pfft, I'll wqorry about your mom, in the meantime can you tell me what this is?
[2016-11-03 20:46:25] mjones : xmr dump
[2016-11-03 20:46:59] wurstgelee : xmr will go back to where it has been 3 months ago
[2016-11-03 20:47:16] wurstgelee : low vol and nobody cares
[2016-11-03 20:47:16] john1243 : 0.025?
[2016-11-03 20:47:30] wurstgelee : higher prob
[2016-11-03 20:47:41] wurstgelee : volume will die down nonetheless
[2016-11-03 20:47:44] john1243 : new ATH?
[2016-11-03 20:50:45] negamax : guys can someone eli5 fair price marking on zcash from tomorrow? I read it few times but don't think I understand it correctly
[2016-11-03 20:52:00] habibi : negamax: tl;dr u will loose some money
[2016-11-03 20:52:36] negamax : that says nothing, can someone intelligent respond please
[2016-11-03 20:52:37] habibi : negamax: just kidding, i am sorry for my behavior, i am leading u to our expert martinium
[2016-11-03 20:53:17] mjones : liquidity sucks. look at that xbtusd orderbook
[2016-11-03 20:53:56] martinium : negamax: The Fair Price is calculated by comparing where traders are currently quoting on the Futures market and its underlying Index Price.
[2016-11-03 20:54:17] martinium : index price will be based on last traded price for zec/btc on poloniex
[2016-11-03 20:54:53] sleger : (index being irrelevant as it is only used for settlement in 2 months)
[2016-11-03 20:55:48] negamax : martinium: @sleger thanks, would that make mark price closer to price on polo (if there's a huge difference)
[2016-11-03 20:55:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1400 @ 694.99
[2016-11-03 20:55:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1070 @ 694.55
[2016-11-03 20:56:05] negamax : also does mark price gets used for calculating margin?
[2016-11-03 20:56:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 5000 @ 718.60
[2016-11-03 20:56:42] mjones : word is price won't be the same as polo tomorrow for zec
[2016-11-03 20:56:49] sleger : negamax: no it wouldnt make it closer
[2016-11-03 20:56:52] mjones : so dont go tits deep in a long thinking it will
[2016-11-03 20:56:55] shiroe : no ideaa why eth is cheaper here.
[2016-11-03 20:57:01] sleger : negamax: yes its used for margin
[2016-11-03 20:57:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8000 @ 693.79
[2016-11-03 20:58:02] miramm1115 : how nice, I'm just in time for another dump ;-)
[2016-11-03 20:58:08] negamax : mjones: @sleger thanks
[2016-11-03 20:58:44] toolbox : so now for example, when the ZECZ price is 0.56 and the ZEC price is 1.28, what would the fair price be? and how would the fair price change if ZECZ spiked to 99.99?
[2016-11-03 20:59:15] sleger : toolbox: it would be 0.56
[2016-11-03 20:59:19] miramm1115 : toolbox: fair price will not change
[2016-11-03 21:00:04] miramm1115 : but quick spikes on polo will cause spikes in fair price for a minute or so until the basis is re-calculated
[2016-11-03 21:01:01] negamax : "Fair Price is calculated by comparing where traders are currently quoting on the Futures market and its underlying Index Price." This makes me thing, it will be somewhere between current price and polo price
[2016-11-03 21:01:42] mjones : true negamax
[2016-11-03 21:01:48] mjones : same for me
[2016-11-03 21:01:50] miramm1115 : no, the basis will be applied so the fair price is approximately in the middle of the orderbook
[2016-11-03 21:01:54] lockhedge : negamax: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-11-03 21:02:22] toolbox : at 99.99 the order book would be empty of sells, only buys left
[2016-11-03 21:02:25] sleger : negamax: when you understand, please explain martinium
[2016-11-03 21:03:16] negamax : sleger: @toolbox @lockhedge @mjones @miramm1115 I don't think we can know this without knowing %Fair Basis
[2016-11-03 21:03:30] negamax : wait I got it
[2016-11-03 21:03:34] sleger : On what I said earlier, I dont think it's the MM playing games by the way, maybe someone else did, but not the MM, just setting the record straight
[2016-11-03 21:03:51] miramm1115 : it's all their in the link @lockhedge posted
[2016-11-03 21:03:54] negamax : let me calculate this and post the value here
[2016-11-03 21:03:56] sleger : negamax: fairbasis is written on the contract specs
[2016-11-03 21:04:11] toolbox : miramm1115: I've read it several times, but it doesn't make sense to me
[2016-11-03 21:04:11] miramm1115 : *there
[2016-11-03 21:04:21] negamax : -381%.. hahah!
[2016-11-03 21:04:26] sleger : Fair Basis -0.7683617 Fair Basis Rate -381%
[2016-11-03 21:04:27] negamax : great, nothing will change
[2016-11-03 21:04:46] miramm1115 : that's what we've been telling you :-)
[2016-11-03 21:04:46] wurstgelee : it will
[2016-11-03 21:04:52] wurstgelee : the closer weg get to dec 30
[2016-11-03 21:04:54] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 21:04:55] negamax : miramm1115: got it now :D
[2016-11-03 21:04:56] wurstgelee : *-g
[2016-11-03 21:05:07] sleger : at expiry it will be == 0
[2016-11-03 21:05:08] TwinnerD : who sets fair basis though?
[2016-11-03 21:05:14] sleger : TwinnerD: me and rapid
[2016-11-03 21:05:15] TwinnerD : are they just playing dice with it?
[2016-11-03 21:05:29] negamax : TwinnerD: there's a formula for it
[2016-11-03 21:05:31] TwinnerD : sleger: dropped your D?
[2016-11-03 21:05:33] sleger : msotly me but sometimes i let him play with my button
[2016-11-03 21:05:41] sleger : TwinnerD: it comes and goes
[2016-11-03 21:05:51] negamax : % Fair Basis = (Impact Mid Price / Index Price - 1) / (Time To Expiry / 365)
[2016-11-03 21:06:45] miramm1115 : sleger: what was that discussion about MM manipulation? I missed it
[2016-11-03 21:06:45] negamax : so it's a dynamic value
[2016-11-03 21:07:00] negamax : guys fair basis will be recalculated tomorrow
[2016-11-03 21:07:16] miramm1115 : negamax: it is, recalculated every 30 sec AFAIK
[2016-11-03 21:07:25] sleger : miramm1115: complicated to explain but i got ADLed on XBJ24H at a f*ckedup 15$ off market price
[2016-11-03 21:07:31] negamax : miramm1115: correct but with index moving to polo it's impact would be higher
[2016-11-03 21:07:33] negamax : imo
[2016-11-03 21:08:01] sleger : I suspected the MM gamed the ADL system, but either it was someone else or it was just unintentional, but the marking system has some improvement to do
[2016-11-03 21:08:19] miramm1115 : sleger: XBJ is marked to LastPriceProtected instead of ImpactMidPrice like other contracts, it's very possible
[2016-11-03 21:08:22] negamax : btw is no one seeing 62 buy wall on polo on rec!
[2016-11-03 21:08:36] sleger : miramm1115: yes and there was no trade for couple of hours
[2016-11-03 21:08:36] toolbox : doesn't that formula divide by zero at expiry? so nearing expiry it approaches infinity?
[2016-11-03 21:08:37] habibi : negamax: rekt?
[2016-11-03 21:08:55] negamax : habibi: rec = augur
[2016-11-03 21:09:04] sleger : miramm1115: I sold and that triggered a liq and got ADLed for that amount and more 15$ higher
[2016-11-03 21:09:14] sleger : basically 100% chance of losing money
[2016-11-03 21:09:20] habibi : negamax: rep ! :)
[2016-11-03 21:09:38] negamax : habibi: ha! your are right :)
[2016-11-03 21:09:47] miramm1115 : yeah, that's not right
[2016-11-03 21:09:49] habibi : sleger: u got adled on short higher than entry?
[2016-11-03 21:10:11] sleger : yes
[2016-11-03 21:10:22] sleger : that entry triggering the liq and adl btw
[2016-11-03 21:10:31] sleger : so open and insta close 15$ higher
[2016-11-03 21:10:49] habibi : u were on fixed?
[2016-11-03 21:10:58] sleger : i did not get liquidated dummy
[2016-11-03 21:11:03] sleger : i got adled
[2016-11-03 21:11:11] habibi : yea, thats why i am suprised dummy
[2016-11-03 21:11:35] sleger : i was 50% of open interest so its normal i get adled, whether i was on cross or not is irrelevant super dummy
[2016-11-03 21:12:10] habibi : sleger: uber dummy still don't get how loosing position could be adled
[2016-11-03 21:12:53] sleger : habibi: well then you're the uber dummy if you cant get that
[2016-11-03 21:13:13] habibi : sleger: i need to agree with u honey
[2016-11-03 21:15:18] wurstgelee : get a room ffs
[2016-11-03 21:15:33] sleger : tssss you're just jealous
[2016-11-03 21:15:41] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 21:16:02] habibi : wurstgelee: way less fun in private
[2016-11-03 21:16:14] wurstgelee : in for the thrill, aren't you?
[2016-11-03 21:16:18] wurstgelee : 100x only?
[2016-11-03 21:18:31] wurstgelee : so, not only that i took this idiotic overtrading long 30 mins ago, i also averaged it down like a moron
[2016-11-03 21:18:36] wurstgelee : i deserve to get rekt for this tbh
[2016-11-03 21:19:24] wurstgelee : ...but it turned green
[2016-11-03 21:19:26] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-03 21:19:45] RoftheN : I don't understand why people can use 100x
[2016-11-03 21:20:16] wurstgelee : safety switch sometimes
[2016-11-03 21:20:24] wurstgelee : use it rarely but i use it
[2016-11-03 21:20:37] wurstgelee : used it a few times today while catching knifes
[2016-11-03 21:20:59] wurstgelee : doing that on cross is suicide...
[2016-11-03 21:21:02] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 21:21:03] miramm1115 : the guy who was supporting the price on finex with 100 btc bids is back
[2016-11-03 21:21:59] wurstgelee : and suddenly that long looks good
[2016-11-03 21:22:01] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-03 21:22:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3 @ 696.50 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-03 21:23:11] TwinnerD : 720 inc
[2016-11-03 21:34:54] javierstone : here we go
[2016-11-03 21:36:18] wurstgelee : i managed to get my realised pnl for xbtusd even closer to 0 now.
[2016-11-03 21:36:25] wurstgelee : +.0064
[2016-11-03 21:36:32] wurstgelee : with ~500k+ contracts
[2016-11-03 21:36:43] wurstgelee : whole day
[2016-11-03 21:36:49] wurstgelee : *estimate
[2016-11-03 21:37:26] wurstgelee : 4k open, trying to hit 0 now
[2016-11-03 21:39:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 692.47
[2016-11-03 21:39:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1100 @ 691.26
[2016-11-03 21:39:23] fsec : REKT in 3..2...1...
[2016-11-03 21:39:25] wurstgelee : wtf.... who left his order @ 693?
[2016-11-03 21:39:26] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 21:39:33] wurstgelee : the big one?
[2016-11-03 21:39:47] wurstgelee : was able to close and short into it
[2016-11-03 21:39:48] wurstgelee : thank you
[2016-11-03 21:40:39] shiroe : oh sh!t
[2016-11-03 21:40:51] wurstgelee : shiroe: yours? :p
[2016-11-03 21:41:10] shiroe : nah,. haha the 4700 fall.
[2016-11-03 21:41:14] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 21:41:25] shiroe : waiting for 4500 or 4400.
[2016-11-03 21:43:08] TwinnerD : wurstgelee: where do you see your trading volume?
[2016-11-03 21:43:32] wurstgelee : dunno
[2016-11-03 21:43:36] wurstgelee : good question
[2016-11-03 21:43:46] wurstgelee : somewhere i assume
[2016-11-03 21:43:50] TwinnerD : oh thought you read that 500k figure somewhere
[2016-11-03 21:43:59] wurstgelee : nah, an estimate
[2016-11-03 21:45:22] TwinnerD : I hope it goes to 650 before it goes bullish again
[2016-11-03 21:45:48] lockhedge : TwinnerD: to get your trade volume you have to run a script that calculates it from your trade history (or download the csv file and do it with excel if you only have a few trades)
[2016-11-03 21:46:15] TwinnerD : yeah, I just thought it was a stat on the website somewhere
[2016-11-03 21:46:28] hellyeahent : To open 1,42 BTC position 100x long (1000$) I have to pay 75$ in fees right ? Thats 7,5% :O
[2016-11-03 21:46:41] TwinnerD : no
[2016-11-03 21:48:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 688.02
[2016-11-03 21:48:45] fsec : waiting for huuge REKT
[2016-11-03 21:49:10] wurstgelee : great. just when u retire for the day, there might be more knifes to catch ;)
[2016-11-03 21:49:28] y1uy : sounds like i was right
[2016-11-03 21:49:30] y1uy : double bottom
[2016-11-03 21:49:32] TwinnerD : hell yeah
[2016-11-03 21:49:50] wurstgelee : y1uy: where do u see a double bottom?
[2016-11-03 21:50:01] CaptainDean : 4586*
[2016-11-03 21:50:01] y1uy : on bitmex
[2016-11-03 21:50:08] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-03 21:50:12] wurstgelee : ffs bitmex.... ;)
[2016-11-03 21:50:22] y1uy : guys
[2016-11-03 21:50:22] wurstgelee : that doesnt count :)
[2016-11-03 21:50:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 1000 @ 0.007309
[2016-11-03 21:50:33] y1uy : fbi raided democrats hq
[2016-11-03 21:50:45] y1uy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-VTrhqMtGY
[2016-11-03 21:51:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12078 @ 685.74
[2016-11-03 21:52:05] wurstgelee : y1uy: any other sources?
[2016-11-03 21:52:15] wurstgelee : like not youtube?
[2016-11-03 21:52:17] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 21:52:31] CaptainDean : Poloniex down ?
[2016-11-03 21:52:32] wurstgelee : major news outlet?
[2016-11-03 21:52:41] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: nope
[2016-11-03 21:52:43] wurstgelee : fine for me
[2016-11-03 21:52:45] TwinnerD : maybe not an extreme right news outlet lol
[2016-11-03 21:52:50] wurstgelee : TwinnerD: ;)
[2016-11-03 21:52:52] wurstgelee : maybe....
[2016-11-03 21:53:07] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: Getting Connection Error
[2016-11-03 21:53:15] CaptainDean : wurstgelee: Sorry, we're unable to connect to the server at the moment. Please try again in a few minutes.
[2016-11-03 21:53:19] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: test different browser?
[2016-11-03 21:53:28] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: were you logged in?
[2016-11-03 21:53:40] wurstgelee : oh k
[2016-11-03 21:53:43] wurstgelee : gone for me now 2
[2016-11-03 21:53:44] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-03 21:53:46] wurstgelee : pol down
[2016-11-03 21:53:48] wurstgelee : polo
[2016-11-03 21:53:54] wurstgelee : uh oh...
[2016-11-03 21:54:17] CaptainDean : Yeah hu ho i was short XMR, this is bad
[2016-11-03 21:54:24] CaptainDean : well i'm still but ...
[2016-11-03 21:54:26] TwinnerD : dont worry
[2016-11-03 21:54:36] TwinnerD : this happens once a week atleast
[2016-11-03 21:54:49] TwinnerD : inb4 "datacenter problems"
[2016-11-03 21:54:51] CaptainDean : well it's two bad decision today
[2016-11-03 21:55:27] john1243 : looks oversold here to me
[2016-11-03 21:57:20] shiroe : so polo is lag, ddosed?
[2016-11-03 21:57:25] wurstgelee : john1243: yep
[2016-11-03 21:57:30] wurstgelee : same thought
[2016-11-03 21:57:39] shiroe : someone get rekt, ddos'd the exchange. lol
[2016-11-03 21:57:53] wurstgelee : shiroe: db problems i guess
[2016-11-03 21:58:20] john1243 : my entry price is 689.8
[2016-11-03 21:58:28] zanza : Polo ?
[2016-11-03 21:59:26] CaptainDean : it's back
[2016-11-03 21:59:26] wurstgelee : dead
[2016-11-03 21:59:27] shiroe : john1243: abort. someone get in at 714 earlier and got rekt. haha
[2016-11-03 21:59:29] wurstgelee : it is?
[2016-11-03 21:59:38] wurstgelee : oh yeah
[2016-11-03 21:59:43] wurstgelee : slow but there
[2016-11-03 21:59:50] john1243 : that was at 714
[2016-11-03 21:59:59] wurstgelee : well, usual slow speed tbh...
[2016-11-03 22:00:24] shiroe : polo bots resumed, then mex bots will resume. lol
[2016-11-03 22:00:30] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 22:00:37] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-03 22:00:42] wurstgelee : welcome back bots
[2016-11-03 22:00:44] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-03 22:01:08] john1243 : this is like nobrainer entry
[2016-11-03 22:01:14] wurstgelee : wohoooo.
[2016-11-03 22:01:19] wurstgelee : nice ride today
[2016-11-03 22:01:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 22:03:36] john1243 : bounce to atleast 700
[2016-11-03 22:04:04] john1243 : big fall from 750
[2016-11-03 22:04:16] zanza : is Bitcoin dead?
[2016-11-03 22:04:31] john1243 : now you know it's time to buy lol
[2016-11-03 22:05:36] shiroe : wait for 3 rounds before buy =P
[2016-11-03 22:05:38] wurstgelee : if we only make 700, we will go down further
[2016-11-03 22:06:00] wurstgelee : death or glory, bounce or die
[2016-11-03 22:06:01] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 22:06:15] john1243 : sure, but we'll make atleast 700 on the bounce
[2016-11-03 22:07:15] wurstgelee : my long would agree ;)
[2016-11-03 22:07:41] wurstgelee : dinner time bbl
[2016-11-03 22:08:41] lockhedge : china is quoting now at a discount
[2016-11-03 22:10:22] public username 321 : zec market way too bullish imo
[2016-11-03 22:10:56] john1243 : zec can lick my nuts
[2016-11-03 22:11:19] shiroe : 4 hour chart says, it wants more blood.
[2016-11-03 22:11:42] public username 321 : no way this is worth 0.5 on new years
[2016-11-03 22:12:24] public username 321 : should come down a bit. Many failed atempts at a rise
[2016-11-03 22:12:38] public username 321 : just my 2 cents
[2016-11-03 22:17:37] Rekted : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PObxnt7boys
[2016-11-03 22:21:08] john1243 : zec will be 0.1 on new years
[2016-11-03 22:21:49] miramm1115 : zec will be 1 btc and btc will be $200
[2016-11-03 22:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4250 @ 686.29
[2016-11-03 22:22:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13489 @ 685.13
[2016-11-03 22:22:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 16167 @ 708.15
[2016-11-03 22:22:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 683.64
[2016-11-03 22:22:47] REKT : Abandon the ship!