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[2016-11-03 03:30:47] Rado : seafood: that's what a future is
[2016-11-03 03:31:04] Rado : you make me hungry
[2016-11-03 03:31:11] seafood : Hehe, I get that a lot
[2016-11-03 03:31:44] seafood : In the real world futures actually allow you to buy the underlying commodity.
[2016-11-03 03:32:01] seafood : Here they are settled in BTC so it seems, at least to me, to be slightly different.
[2016-11-03 03:32:38] Rado : it is
[2016-11-03 03:32:48] Rado : no need to buy the actual asset
[2016-11-03 03:33:04] blacktuesday : shouldnt zecz16 be rising more already since it will be marked to polo soon?
[2016-11-03 03:33:21] Rado : since you settle the profit/loss in actual BTC
[2016-11-03 03:33:30] Rado : blacktuesday: no
[2016-11-03 03:33:32] micmix : cash settled futures are very common, that's exactly what we have here
[2016-11-03 03:33:33] seafood : Hey, how do I just show the graph of the ZECZ16 price without seeing ZECXBT as well?
[2016-11-03 03:34:00] Rado : the reason why is here the price is the potential price at Dec 30
[2016-11-03 03:34:01] micmix : with bitcoin instead of cash
[2016-11-03 03:34:16] Rado : so people think it will fall further until then
[2016-11-03 03:35:57] Rado : micmix: which exchange do you use for hedging for your BTC MM bot?
[2016-11-03 03:37:26] micmix : all exchanges that I trade on :-) depends on price, available liquidity, fees and so on
[2016-11-03 03:38:21] Rado : micmix: but it's not going to work if it's not same as spot price here
[2016-11-03 03:38:38] Rado : here is calculated based on ok-coin and bitstamp
[2016-11-03 03:38:54] Rado : so if you hedge using Bitfinex you have to pay more to buy BTC
[2016-11-03 03:41:22] Rado : I guess it's not an exact science as explained in the blog posts
[2016-11-03 03:42:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 500 @ 0.01475
[2016-11-03 03:50:14] micmix : Rado: blog post describes a basic idea, it's very simplified. you can MM without entering large position and you will not need to hedge at all. it depends on what you are doing
[2016-11-03 03:51:37] Rado : micmix: so you pull your bids or asks depending on how big of a position you want until the other side is filled and then can start again?
[2016-11-03 03:51:46] French_Canadian : great time to leverage ETH!
[2016-11-03 03:52:00] Rado : French_Canadian: shut up
[2016-11-03 03:52:52] French_Canadian : Rado: What do you know about trading lol you are probably poor as fuck lol
[2016-11-03 03:53:03] micmix : first you move your bids lower if you are long already and then pull bids altogether
[2016-11-03 03:53:21] Rado : right
[2016-11-03 03:53:40] Rado : if price keep going down you can't sell
[2016-11-03 03:53:49] Rado : then don't you need some kind of hedge?
[2016-11-03 03:54:20] French_Canadian : Can't you see 144 has been the support.. made 15 btc just trading eth tonight
[2016-11-03 03:54:47] Rado : French_Canadian: bet your house and make a lot of money then
[2016-11-03 03:55:01] micmix : hedge or close with a loss and start again
[2016-11-03 03:56:12] French_Canadian : House is paid for, why would I bet it lol I just love trading btc because there is so much dumb money on this market it's unreal
[2016-11-03 03:56:30] Rado : micmix: cool, thanks
[2016-11-03 04:27:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 680 @ 745.48
[2016-11-03 04:34:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 3 @ 0.515625
[2016-11-03 05:17:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4 @ 745.63 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-03 06:15:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1000 @ 747.33
[2016-11-03 06:50:19] TraderStefan : So does that mean a buy order was placed for 1000 at 747.33? If so, what happens if nobody fills that order?
[2016-11-03 06:50:58] iefken : i think liquidated means someone did buy it, not sure though
[2016-11-03 06:52:24] TraderStefan : I see, that makes sense
[2016-11-03 06:55:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 742.41
[2016-11-03 06:55:35] john1243 : it means it triggered liquidation and it was sold into the buys
[2016-11-03 06:56:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 741.83
[2016-11-03 06:59:19] Tetsuo : DIE BTC DIE!
[2016-11-03 07:03:34] TraderStefan : Is the liquidation price still based on the mark price or on the last price traded?
[2016-11-03 07:04:38] micmix : TraderStefan: REKT reports that a liquidation order was placed on the orderbook
[2016-11-03 07:05:01] micmix : doesn't mean it's already filled
[2016-11-03 07:05:11] TraderStefan : ok thank you
[2016-11-03 07:05:24] micmix : but those smaller orders are usually filled really quickly
[2016-11-03 07:05:47] john1243 : BTC seems heavy
[2016-11-03 07:05:54] micmix : liquidations are done on mark price
[2016-11-03 07:06:20] TraderStefan : great that's what I thought, but just had to make sure, thanks again
[2016-11-03 07:17:41] rapidtrades : looks like zec here will continue to go up until friday
[2016-11-03 07:18:01] rapidtrades : now at 40% of polo
[2016-11-03 07:19:57] john1243 : what's the target for btc to bottom at here?
[2016-11-03 07:20:26] micmix : my target is $666.66
[2016-11-03 07:21:33] john1243 : that seems like a target it's not going to hit anytime soon
[2016-11-03 07:21:51] rapidtrades : ha!
[2016-11-03 07:22:03] rapidtrades : could be hit today
[2016-11-03 07:23:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 15000 @ 740.36
[2016-11-03 07:23:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9000 @ 740.37
[2016-11-03 07:23:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 739.93
[2016-11-03 07:23:46] rapidtrades : go ZEC kick bitcoin while it's down
[2016-11-03 07:24:01] Tetsuo : micmix: Solid target
[2016-11-03 07:24:23] rapidtrades : my target is 654.32
[2016-11-03 07:25:02] john1243 : maybe closed my short too early
[2016-11-03 07:25:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 997 @ 0.00557
[2016-11-03 07:25:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 23 @ 0.01482
[2016-11-03 07:25:42] john1243 : lol everyone is getting liquidated
[2016-11-03 07:25:50] shiroe : lol
[2016-11-03 07:26:04] Tetsuo : @rapid Also fine. Fkkin Bitcoin. Alts are ready to ralllye. Double top in China is in. Perfekt Setup
[2016-11-03 07:27:54] john1243 : I closed at 735, maybe reshort on the bounce
[2016-11-03 07:28:59] rapidtrades : alts ready to rip higher
[2016-11-03 07:29:49] khessabi2 : who's shorting eth in here?
[2016-11-03 07:30:34] shiroe : No one shorts eth now on the bottom. lel
[2016-11-03 07:30:47] khessabi2 : shiroe: lol
[2016-11-03 07:32:14] shiroe : its gonna test 4900 on houbi to confirm support.
[2016-11-03 07:32:18] rapidtrades : poor ZEC noone cares about it anymore
[2016-11-03 07:32:34] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-11-03 07:32:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 738.01
[2016-11-03 07:32:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4000 @ 737.59
[2016-11-03 07:32:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6500 @ 737.73
[2016-11-03 07:32:36] shiroe : and probably another 0.016 on eth to confirm ceiling.
[2016-11-03 07:32:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 737.23
[2016-11-03 07:32:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 4500 @ 777.24
[2016-11-03 07:33:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 736.19
[2016-11-03 07:33:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 734.93
[2016-11-03 07:34:03] khessabi2 : REKT: using high leverage cause this!
[2016-11-03 07:34:18] rapidtrades : REKT: yeah rekt u idiot
[2016-11-03 07:34:29] rapidtrades : he always uses too much leverage
[2016-11-03 07:34:54] Tetsuo : Lol
[2016-11-03 07:35:17] khessabi2 : rapidtrades: =))))
[2016-11-03 07:35:22] AudibleScience : WTF is china doing to our dear coin! lol
[2016-11-03 07:35:39] Tetsuo : BTC clearly has AIDS
[2016-11-03 07:35:52] AudibleScience : hehe
[2016-11-03 07:36:06] Tetsuo : Hope i don't get ADLd cuz of AIDS
[2016-11-03 07:36:59] shiroe : 20% profit taking from 600usd range :)
[2016-11-03 07:42:04] muirtastic : That mini dump was to be expected
[2016-11-03 07:42:11] wurstgelee : longing this from here
[2016-11-03 07:42:21] wurstgelee : cause why not
[2016-11-03 07:42:23] rapidtrades : no sausage
[2016-11-03 07:42:23] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 07:42:28] rapidtrades : long ZEC instead
[2016-11-03 07:42:36] muirtastic : yes will most likely bounce like hte last 5 times and go to new highs
[2016-11-03 07:42:45] wurstgelee : i retired for now from longing zec like a robot
[2016-11-03 07:42:47] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 07:42:56] rapidtrades : but now's the best time
[2016-11-03 07:43:03] shiroe : Test those 666 btc support in 20days. =P
[2016-11-03 07:43:04] wurstgelee : still have some longs open
[2016-11-03 07:43:04] muirtastic : I will go long again on ZEC below 1 and wait for the next spike
[2016-11-03 07:43:10] rapidtrades : we're gonna slowly lower the gap to polo
[2016-11-03 07:43:21] wurstgelee : and some stink bids
[2016-11-03 07:43:24] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 07:43:29] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-11-03 07:44:24] muirtastic : I did well with ZEC the last few days but closed my longs too early today before the jump. But would like to get back in at the right time.
[2016-11-03 07:47:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 15000 @ 733.27
[2016-11-03 07:47:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 28297 @ 733.20 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-11-03 07:47:23] muirtastic : can huobi hold 5000
[2016-11-03 07:47:30] wurstgelee : lol btc. ;)
[2016-11-03 07:48:24] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-11-03 07:48:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7000 @ 730.90
[2016-11-03 07:57:07] messiaen8844 : liquidate longs
[2016-11-03 07:57:09] messiaen8844 : now loquidate shorts
[2016-11-03 07:58:32] micmix : too early for shorts, give it some more time
[2016-11-03 07:59:30] muirtastic : yes BTC hasn't gone totally parabolic yet. That will be the time to short
[2016-11-03 07:59:35] messiaen8844 : that was profit taking $800 on quarterlies, but some people defintely shorted it
[2016-11-03 07:59:44] messiaen8844 : my target is $780-800 spor
[2016-11-03 07:59:46] messiaen8844 : *spot
[2016-11-03 08:00:08] messiaen8844 : that's the real test for me, of a giant inverse head and shoulders structure
[2016-11-03 08:00:33] muirtastic : yes that would be natural if it makes a double top up there. But if Bitfinex makes it back to 780, then will probably shoot past there a bit. But of course can never tell in this highly manipulated market
[2016-11-03 08:03:17] rapidtrades : pls no bitfinex quotes here
[2016-11-03 08:03:40] micmix : but finex is the best!
[2016-11-03 08:04:05] muirtastic : The best at stealing your money...or losing it or whatever
[2016-11-03 08:04:24] muirtastic : I was already using BitMEX but was too slow to transition over here completely. I'll never do business with Bitfinex again
[2016-11-03 08:05:02] micmix : why not? I'm sure they could use a bit more of your money /s
[2016-11-03 08:07:05] muirtastic : s'ok. They have more than enough. I wish I would have been faster in moving everything over here but just didn't work out.
[2016-11-03 08:08:53] numhero : I had disposit can't conform, pls help , address 3BMEXqdsSWvHNwUvbTrAHGMzcy2GzQTBLU
[2016-11-03 08:10:29] elmorte : numhero: what address did you send from?
[2016-11-03 08:10:53] rapidtrades : two more sweet BTC fundings coming up
[2016-11-03 08:10:57] aethlios : numhero: wait for 1 block, it is normal
[2016-11-03 08:12:17] numhero : elmorte: poloniex
[2016-11-03 08:12:50] elmorte : do you have a transaction id?
[2016-11-03 08:13:41] elmorte : It's only been 15min it seems...give it another 15
[2016-11-03 08:13:43] numhero : Txid: bda091df760dc677529c9bca3638a0239dedab8fda637e7b96d7b33f7c11d470
[2016-11-03 08:14:14] numhero : 2016-11-03 06:54:20 Polo withdrew time
[2016-11-03 08:15:23] BitMEX_Wally : The fee is 74477 Satoshi/kB
[2016-11-03 08:15:35] BitMEX_Wally : Should go into the next block: https://bitcoinfees.github.io
[2016-11-03 08:15:52] BitMEX_Wally : There just haven't been any blocks mined for an hour
[2016-11-03 08:18:34] elmorte : Damn, must be late lunch hour in China
[2016-11-03 08:18:37] numhero : it seems is pending now.
[2016-11-03 08:18:51] muirtastic : yes no confirmations on it yet. BitMEX will credit it after 1 confirmation
[2016-11-03 08:18:53] numhero : BTC translate is toooo slow!!!
[2016-11-03 08:19:06] elmorte : I use Google translate
[2016-11-03 08:19:07] muirtastic : So you have to wait for one. It will probably go through before long. Sometimes takes an hour or longer..you know how Bitcoin network works
[2016-11-03 08:19:10] numhero : spend 1 hour and a half
[2016-11-03 08:19:13] elmorte : or baidu
[2016-11-03 08:19:28] rapidtrades : had to wait a few hrs once
[2016-11-03 08:19:35] rapidtrades : that was painful
[2016-11-03 08:21:28] zecz : how long until zecz is marked?
[2016-11-03 08:21:46] rapidtrades : 29 hrs
[2016-11-03 08:24:01] zecz : what do you think will happend then?
[2016-11-03 08:25:06] zecz : fair price marking is used to avoid unnecessary liquidations
[2016-11-03 08:25:45] muirtastic : I suppose with ZEC contract not expiring for months, the mark price won't affect P&L that much but will help with avoiding liquidations as you say
[2016-11-03 08:25:45] rapidtrades : it should make prices here more responsive to polo
[2016-11-03 08:26:25] muirtastic : price has been crazy volatile on here with ZEC even when ZEC at polo didn't move much. I wish I had played it better over here but got shaken out a couple of times. I did well on POLO though..in at .70 and out at 2.30
[2016-11-03 08:26:52] zecz : Note: This means that you may see a positive or negative Unrealised PNL immediately after an order executes. This happens when the Fair Price is slightly different from the Last Price. This is normal and does not mean you have lost money, but be sure to keep an eye on your Liquidation Price to avoid a premature liquidation.
[2016-11-03 08:27:08] muirtastic : yes good advice
[2016-11-03 08:27:47] zecz : liquidation will be bad for shorters I guess
[2016-11-03 08:28:21] muirtastic : I wouldn't short ZEC and take my eye off it for more than a couple of seconds...no way
[2016-11-03 08:28:41] shiroe : the gap sucks, got liquidated 5mins after shorting a xbt position. lels small but it sucks
[2016-11-03 08:28:57] rapidtrades : what gap :)
[2016-11-03 08:29:19] muirtastic : I had some very bad liquidation experiences on here...one with ETH early on that was pretty unfair. But the rest of them were my fault really. But still tough to take.
[2016-11-03 08:30:12] rapidtrades : i think i've had one liquidation here...cos deposit didn't arrive
[2016-11-03 08:30:13] zecz : Impact Mid Price = $105 Underlying Index = $100 Time To Expiry = 30 Days % Fair Basis = ($105 / $100 - 1) / (30 / 365) = 60.8% Fair Value = $100 * 60.8% * (30/365) = $5 Fair Price = $100 + $5 = $105
[2016-11-03 08:30:22] zecz : why not just say Fair Price = mid price ??
[2016-11-03 08:30:42] zecz : its allways = mid price from the calculations
[2016-11-03 08:30:42] shiroe : shorted at 735. liquidation price at 739. got liquidated at marked price of 739. No money return lol. they sold it at 736, but it says in my fills are 742. lmao fuck liquidation.
[2016-11-03 08:31:16] muirtastic : yes I really don't understand all of that so I try to be extra careful
[2016-11-03 08:31:31] muirtastic : I rarely go above 10x on XBT unless a short term trade.
[2016-11-03 08:31:47] rapidtrades : when u get liquidation u lose a bit extra then if u exit urself
[2016-11-03 08:31:52] j8 : zecz: the impact mid price is calculated less frequently than the spot price is updated
[2016-11-03 08:32:22] muirtastic : my current liquidation price on my XBT short is over 800 and that still makes me nervous
[2016-11-03 08:32:49] rapidtrades : j8: will the fair basis rate be recalculated constantly or based on 12:00 tomorrow?
[2016-11-03 08:33:05] shiroe : you'll get liquidated at 800 with no money return and the system will tell you they filled it at 840 when in fact they filled it at 810. lol
[2016-11-03 08:33:14] j8 : fair basis rate is recalculated every 30 seconds i think. undocumented
[2016-11-03 08:33:25] muirtastic : so i better lower my leverage before it gets to 800
[2016-11-03 08:33:48] rapidtrades : j8: ok so it won't be like a constant drag below polo
[2016-11-03 08:33:49] j8 : it will sometimes not be recalculated if the spread is too wide
[2016-11-03 08:33:54] habibi : shiroe: yes, yes,yes we will take his and urs money today
[2016-11-03 08:33:54] muirtastic : I try to set alarms and such just in case of a crazy spike. BTC hasn't gone up 10% in a day more than a couple of times in the past two years, but of course could happen ay time
[2016-11-03 08:34:29] muirtastic : I don't have a big short position though and most of it is to box in my cold storage holdings.
[2016-11-03 08:34:37] j8 : rapidtrades: what do you mean by that
[2016-11-03 08:35:04] rapidtrades : well it won't lag behind polo at 33% discount for example
[2016-11-03 08:35:15] muirtastic : I got auto deleveraged a couple of weeks ago though which was not fun but at least they covered me at the low and I reopened the position a few points higher.
[2016-11-03 08:35:30] rapidtrades : sry 66%
[2016-11-03 08:35:41] j8 : it might but the discount can be changing all the time
[2016-11-03 08:37:47] rapidtrades : j8: if polo were to go up 3x like in the past, that would push the mark 3x higher here too?
[2016-11-03 08:38:19] zecz : looks like it
[2016-11-03 08:38:29] zecz : if a sell order is placed below the mark price then the trader must fully fund the difference between the order price and the mark price.
[2016-11-03 08:38:51] j8 : mark price would follow polo in the 30 second interval between basis adjustments. but if the futures orderbook doesn't change then the basis rate will just drop
[2016-11-03 08:38:53] muirtastic : I need to put some thought into that
[2016-11-03 08:38:58] muirtastic : at least if I go 100x or close to it
[2016-11-03 08:40:12] rapidtrades : j8: got it
[2016-11-03 08:40:33] lanbetatester : Hi test a....b....c
[2016-11-03 08:40:44] rapidtrades : net I think it will be better for longs cos it avoids the cascading margin issue
[2016-11-03 08:40:52] uncleyao : 国家限制购买btc数量了，我擦，价格不得上天？
[2016-11-03 08:41:19] numhero : 我叉
[2016-11-03 08:41:24] numhero : 居然能打中文？
[2016-11-03 08:41:31] rapidtrades : margin required now will be somewhat tied to polo, won't be as easy to crash prices
[2016-11-03 08:41:50] numhero : BM的客服懂中文吗？
[2016-11-03 08:42:00] muirtastic : yes ZEC price was going from .80 to .30 the other day with polo price moving maybe 15%
[2016-11-03 08:42:13] uncleyao : 空头赶紧最后一波疯狂要不然要上天了。
[2016-11-03 08:42:18] shiroe : my play for this week. xbt short, eth long. fcuk liquidation. hahaha
[2016-11-03 08:42:32] j8 : it protects you from wicks on futures at least
[2016-11-03 08:42:51] j8 : but exposes you to wicks on polo. to some extent
[2016-11-03 08:42:55] uncleyao : 懂啊 @numhero
[2016-11-03 08:43:08] numhero : 倒！
[2016-11-03 08:43:20] rapidtrades : j8: what i mean if u were starting to clear the orderbook to the downside now, because we're marked to last each new sell of urs will require less margin
[2016-11-03 08:43:23] numhero : 我刚才问个转币问题，还要说英文 ，问的累死！
[2016-11-03 08:43:32] numhero : 早知道随便聊中文多简单！
[2016-11-03 08:43:40] rapidtrades : so that problem will be somewhat alleviated i think?
[2016-11-03 08:44:13] j8 : rapidtrades: yeah, well it takes a more sustained manipulation which is harder to do
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[2016-11-03 08:44:34] rapidtrades : who's that ^
[2016-11-03 08:44:51] BitMEX_Sunny : BitMEX (Sunny)!!!
[2016-11-03 08:46:02] Tetsuo : It´s Sunny
[2016-11-03 08:46:19] rapidtrades : right Sunny...how could i forgot
[2016-11-03 08:46:44] BitMEX_Sunny : haha. thanks
[2016-11-03 08:48:38] uncleyao : 利用这个消息 完全可以先杀多头 然后爆拉爆所有空头。
[2016-11-03 08:48:58] j8 : rapidtrades: also the impact notional is fixed in btc, and that's the notional you have to put on the books to manipulate the mark price.. so maybe that's more fair than trading 1 contract, which could be 10 btc or 0.0001
[2016-11-03 08:49:42] rapidtrades : j8: what do u mean by impact notional
[2016-11-03 08:49:50] rapidtrades : how's that calculated
[2016-11-03 08:49:59] uncleyao : 逢低多搞点比特币，要不然以后不给买那么多就搞笑。造成比特币短缺。
[2016-11-03 08:50:05] j8 : it's the depth that the mid price is taken from
[2016-11-03 08:50:33] rapidtrades : ok so current margin is based on last right
[2016-11-03 08:51:20] j8 : yes
[2016-11-03 08:51:34] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sunny: is margin required on ZEC right now based on last price
[2016-11-03 08:51:52] j8 : sure it is
[2016-11-03 08:52:23] rapidtrades : ok so we would move from that to some type of mid price marking based on depth of the book
[2016-11-03 08:53:45] j8 : take the midpoint of the avg execution price to buy or sell with 0.1 XBT at max leverage
[2016-11-03 08:54:16] rapidtrades : so basically mid-point for ZEC cos prices are so high
[2016-11-03 08:54:39] j8 : so for XBTUSD it's 10 btc, for zec it'll be 0.2 btc unless they change it
[2016-11-03 08:55:27] j8 : less than one contract now, but don't worry, it'll go down
[2016-11-03 08:55:51] rapidtrades : yeah that will make it harder to crash prices....they'll have to put up asks behind them and that exposes them to get picked on
[2016-11-03 08:55:59] rapidtrades : j8: it won't
[2016-11-03 08:56:22] j8 : i'm just taunting because i know you're long from 3
[2016-11-03 08:56:28] BitMEX_Wally : If the basis comes down we will probably increase leverage
[2016-11-03 08:56:48] rapidtrades : great that's just what we need, more lev on ZEC
[2016-11-03 08:57:31] shiroe : it seems 5000 will not hold, 4800 support?
[2016-11-03 08:57:46] shiroe : 4800 or 4600 in the next 7 days? hmm..
[2016-11-03 08:58:01] rapidtrades : prices rallied 40% on polo in 30 mins last night, adding lev doesn't seem like a good idea atm
[2016-11-03 08:58:09] zhulizz : 感谢这个网站让我赚了第一桶金，爱你们
[2016-11-03 08:58:59] john1243 : leverage on ZEC would be awesome
[2016-11-03 08:59:36] rapidtrades : maybe for the LULs
[2016-11-03 09:06:09] wurstgelee : lol btc
[2016-11-03 09:07:14] j8 : dips gettin bought
[2016-11-03 09:07:24] j8 : for weeks
[2016-11-03 09:07:30] wurstgelee : i would deserve getting rekt for blindly buying the dip sub 5k
[2016-11-03 09:07:41] wurstgelee : while only having voce of bitcoin checker in ear announcing cny ;)
[2016-11-03 09:07:56] wurstgelee : a stupis thing to do. but so far its looking great
[2016-11-03 09:07:57] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 09:08:08] wurstgelee : *stupid
[2016-11-03 09:09:30] john1243 : I bought the dip when it dropped but didn't catch it at 5k, already sold it though
[2016-11-03 09:09:56] algomaspur : does bitmex still payout at 1300
[2016-11-03 09:10:04] algomaspur : and what is funding .375
[2016-11-03 09:10:37] john1243 : I'm waiting for a clear position
[2016-11-03 09:11:16] wurstgelee : funding will be .375% in 3 hours
[2016-11-03 09:11:26] algomaspur : oh ok
[2016-11-03 09:11:29] algomaspur : thanks
[2016-11-03 09:11:42] algomaspur : and are withdraws at 1300 utc
[2016-11-03 09:11:50] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-03 09:11:56] wurstgelee : 13 utc, sometimes sooner
[2016-11-03 09:11:59] algomaspur : thanks have a great day
[2016-11-03 09:12:08] wurstgelee : they do an earlier batch sometimes
[2016-11-03 09:12:11] rapidtrades : they go out at 14 tho
[2016-11-03 09:12:21] wurstgelee : 13 utc?
[2016-11-03 09:12:24] wurstgelee : or 14?
[2016-11-03 09:12:27] wurstgelee : cant recall right now
[2016-11-03 09:12:27] wurstgelee : sec
[2016-11-03 09:12:30] rapidtrades : 13 is just the request by hour
[2016-11-03 09:12:36] rapidtrades : i think
[2016-11-03 09:12:41] wurstgelee : BitMEX processes withdrawal requests each day at 13:00 UTC.
[2016-11-03 09:12:42] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-03 09:17:06] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, make sure you request and confirm before 13:00 UTC
[2016-11-03 09:17:16] BitMEX_Wally : Less than 4 hours from now
[2016-11-03 09:17:53] BitMEX_Wally : 13:00 UTC when we start processing them, manually, and they usually get broadcast by 13:30 UTC
[2016-11-03 09:24:45] john1243 : I want to short at 5090
[2016-11-03 09:43:15] john1243 : looks like short point here
[2016-11-03 09:44:18] chromaticcr1 : zhulizz: 哈哈你点位准吧！
[2016-11-03 10:02:07] wurstgelee : things i dont want to do: short btc in a bull market
[2016-11-03 10:07:49] john1243 : maybe but it's definitely going down atm
[2016-11-03 10:09:45] wurstgelee : did u check 1d chart recently?
[2016-11-03 10:09:59] john1243 : yes
[2016-11-03 10:10:33] john1243 : are we looking at the same chart?
[2016-11-03 10:13:32] wurstgelee : prob
[2016-11-03 10:13:42] wurstgelee : cny ;)
[2016-11-03 10:14:00] wurstgelee : compare weekly chart for last oct/nov and this oct/nov
[2016-11-03 10:14:10] wurstgelee : this year is mising the hug fomo spike. yet.
[2016-11-03 10:14:12] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 10:14:14] wurstgelee : *s
[2016-11-03 10:14:17] wurstgelee : *e
[2016-11-03 10:14:21] wurstgelee : fucking keyboard
[2016-11-03 10:16:04] john1243 : needs to blow off a little steam yet
[2016-11-03 10:33:38] wurstgelee : maybe, maybe not. i dont think so. ;)
[2016-11-03 10:34:17] wurstgelee : but every trad needs a counterpart here, so we're good at disagreeing i guess ;)
[2016-11-03 10:34:20] wurstgelee : *e
[2016-11-03 10:35:16] wurstgelee : +with
[2016-11-03 10:37:01] john1243 : target is 5020
[2016-11-03 10:37:16] aethlios : btc consolidates power to attack 790, bears ready to defend that important previous top.
[2016-11-03 10:38:27] wurstgelee : aethlios: that seems more likely
[2016-11-03 10:38:41] laisee : And ZEC waits, gathering strength for the final ahowdown
[2016-11-03 10:38:42] wurstgelee : another attempted move to the upside
[2016-11-03 10:42:02] aethlios : so if this rally ends at previous ATH around 1150-1200 (my opinion), wait for a retrace above the current top 800, maybe 920-950. That's my estimate we test previous ATH 1175 and retrace to 920-950, then slowly retest 1200, maybe 3 or 4 times this will be tested
[2016-11-03 10:44:58] john1243 : we'll see whether it breaks here or not
[2016-11-03 10:45:10] wurstgelee : yes, we will ,9
[2016-11-03 10:48:05] aethlios : there are two major battles ahead. first the 790 battle, and the ultimate battle of 1175, the last battle is the D-day for btc, when bulls march above 1200-1250 this means a tactical retreat for bears and a new bull market begins. stay tuned!!
[2016-11-03 10:48:48] john1243 : closed my short
[2016-11-03 10:49:21] Daniel Craig : john1243: why
[2016-11-03 10:50:15] john1243 : there is a triangle in both directions that converge at this point
[2016-11-03 10:50:31] aethlios : I express personal opinion to exchange views with others, I am usually wrong!! haha.
[2016-11-03 10:51:09] Daniel Craig : aethlios: believe in urself. And 100x that
[2016-11-03 10:51:32] john1243 : it would go either way and make a decision at that poi
[2016-11-03 10:51:54] aethlios : I mean other traders shouldn't think what i say as an advice, noone knows the future.
[2016-11-03 10:52:08] wurstgelee : john1243: good call. ,9
[2016-11-03 10:52:58] wurstgelee : also i agree with @aethlios ,9
[2016-11-03 10:53:05] wurstgelee : FUCK YOU KBD
[2016-11-03 10:55:06] wurstgelee : stamp trying to pump
[2016-11-03 10:55:07] wurstgelee : how cute
[2016-11-03 10:55:14] john1243 : wtf is this gently caress thing?
[2016-11-03 10:55:30] wurstgelee : john1243: write f*ck with *
[2016-11-03 10:55:34] wurstgelee : damn
[2016-11-03 10:55:39] wurstgelee : f_u_ck
[2016-11-03 10:55:42] wurstgelee : without the _
[2016-11-03 10:56:03] john1243 : fuck
[2016-11-03 10:56:07] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 10:56:10] john1243 : ohhhhh
[2016-11-03 10:56:15] aethlios : also who is okcoin??
[2016-11-03 10:56:23] wurstgelee : that triangle @ 15m timeframe looks interesting tho
[2016-11-03 10:57:09] aethlios : with swap and 3month contract the market is more complete, kepp it like that bitmex.
[2016-11-03 10:58:16] wurstgelee : aethlios: ok_coin without _
[2016-11-03 10:58:22] wurstgelee : unless you were joking ;)
[2016-11-03 10:58:35] princepawn : hello?
[2016-11-03 10:58:44] aethlios : wurstgelee: i know them, just for john1243.
[2016-11-03 10:58:46] princepawn : I wish I knew how to trade proftiabl here?
[2016-11-03 10:58:52] john1243 : wurstgelee: that was what I was talking about
[2016-11-03 10:59:02] princepawn : can one take advatnage of sideways markets on weekends?
[2016-11-03 10:59:28] aethlios : princepawn: yes going out and have fun.
[2016-11-03 11:00:17] princepawn : I need to find a mentor for BitMEX. One that has earned substantial income.
[2016-11-03 11:00:52] john1243 : was either going to break or go higher, looks like it's choosing to go higher
[2016-11-03 11:03:09] john1243 : maybe I'm wrong?
[2016-11-03 11:04:54] aethlios : princepawn: have you traded before?
[2016-11-03 11:05:09] aethlios : crypto not other assets.
[2016-11-03 11:05:30] wurstgelee : aethlios: thought that ;)
[2016-11-03 11:06:38] john1243 : crpyto is kinda like stocks...
[2016-11-03 11:06:55] wurstgelee : "kinda" ;)
[2016-11-03 11:07:06] wurstgelee : like stocks on cracks
[2016-11-03 11:07:10] wurstgelee : *crack
[2016-11-03 11:08:26] john1243 : what? stocks don't move 1000% in a day?
[2016-11-03 11:09:27] john1243 : I think Zec moved 30000% on it's first day
[2016-11-03 11:11:18] wurstgelee : john1243: yes, thats why crypto are like "stocks on crack"
[2016-11-03 11:11:29] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 11:23:59] French_Canadian : ZECZ16, what does the Z16 mean?
[2016-11-03 11:25:07] iefken : price at the end of '16 i think
[2016-11-03 11:27:33] john1243 : man, nothing is really moving
[2016-11-03 11:31:08] arbitrage001 : how things go
[2016-11-03 11:31:18] arbitrage001 : damn, zect didnt crash here
[2016-11-03 11:31:36] arbitrage001 : have many bid order unfilled below 0.3
[2016-11-03 11:31:40] rapidtrades : where would it crash to? 0? lol
[2016-11-03 11:31:49] arbitrage001 : 0.1 would be nice
[2016-11-03 11:31:57] arbitrage001 : will load up again
[2016-11-03 11:33:19] arbitrage001 : nice btc funding
[2016-11-03 11:33:28] arbitrage001 : bonus is nice for shorty
[2016-11-03 11:33:38] rapidtrades : yes it's been great
[2016-11-03 11:34:07] arbitrage001 : i will keep trading other instrument if funding is this high everyday
[2016-11-03 11:34:13] arbitrage001 : stop trading i mean
[2016-11-03 11:34:54] rapidtrades : prolly won't be :)
[2016-11-03 11:35:37] rapidtrades : average it seems to around 50% per annum but mostly during uptrend since may
[2016-11-03 11:36:07] arbitrage001 : can live with 50% per annual also
[2016-11-03 11:36:50] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-11-03 11:37:11] princepawn : aethlios: I have traded forex, binaries, crypto, you name it
[2016-11-03 11:37:37] arbitrage001 : princepawn: have you traded zcash?
[2016-11-03 11:37:46] princepawn : arbitrage001: no that is very new
[2016-11-03 11:37:58] arbitrage001 : i can promise you nothing will show you this excictment
[2016-11-03 11:37:59] princepawn : I dont understand all the interest in zcash
[2016-11-03 11:38:09] arbitrage001 : especially if you short it
[2016-11-03 11:38:57] princepawn : Is it possible to take both sides of a contract and earn 250% profit (like in Bitcoin arbitrage example 1) and no lose regardless of which way to underlying instrument goes?
[2016-11-03 11:39:32] rapidtrades : link
[2016-11-03 11:39:39] arbitrage001 : if you can, everyone here will be doing it and the risk free profit will disappear
[2016-11-03 11:39:44] arbitrage001 : won't it?
[2016-11-03 11:39:47] rapidtrades : lots of things changed here since that tutorial
[2016-11-03 11:40:08] princepawn : rapidtrades: https://youtu.be/0d1oITE3jDI?t=8m17s
[2016-11-03 11:40:25] rapidtrades : can't watch a vid atm...got it in print?
[2016-11-03 11:40:41] princepawn : arbitrage001: what do I click on once I get here to short zcash - https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ZECZ16
[2016-11-03 11:40:45] aethlios : buy some firstblood when hits polo in 2 months, i wont to sell in a good zcash style price
[2016-11-03 11:41:07] princepawn : polo is blocked in NYC
[2016-11-03 11:41:11] wurstgelee : go buttcoin
[2016-11-03 11:41:12] princepawn : bittrex only for me
[2016-11-03 11:41:14] arbitrage001 : princepawn: umm, maybe you should do more research before actually placing order
[2016-11-03 11:42:01] wurstgelee : princepawn: listen to him. shorting zcash here will rekt u if u dont know exactly what you are doing
[2016-11-03 11:42:14] princepawn : I have a MS Degree in Computer Science and I am completely lost about Futures and bitmex - https://www.reddit.com/r/BitMEX/comments/5aw1wc/bitmex_really_confuses_me_but_it_seems_like_a/
[2016-11-03 11:42:17] wurstgelee : prob rekt u too if u know....
[2016-11-03 11:42:22] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 11:42:52] john1243 : shorting zcash rekt me twice
[2016-11-03 11:42:56] wurstgelee : princepawn: practice in testnet
[2016-11-03 11:43:45] laisee : Trading is an art, not a science imo
[2016-11-03 11:44:05] princepawn : it might be better to just pay someone with a demonstrated track record... split the profits or something.
[2016-11-03 11:44:32] laisee : maybe ... but who would u trust
[2016-11-03 11:44:43] princepawn : I trust ADSactly
[2016-11-03 11:45:16] john1243 : princepawn: just trade with tiny amounts until you get the hang of it
[2016-11-03 11:45:19] princepawn : we are a cooperative with all sorts of members, but we could use a good crypto futures trader we can trust.
[2016-11-03 11:45:44] VitalikButerin : Good evening, friends.
[2016-11-03 11:45:56] john1243 : princepawn: you won't find that
[2016-11-03 11:46:13] princepawn : I see.
[2016-11-03 11:46:29] princepawn : thanks for the heads up. I appreciate it.
[2016-11-03 11:46:59] john1243 : princepawn: any good crypto trader would never trade with anyone elses money, too much risk
[2016-11-03 11:47:52] john1243 : if you lose your own money that's one thing, to lose someone elses money causes more problems than it's worth
[2016-11-03 11:47:55] laisee : im sure cry to trading funds will emerge
[2016-11-03 11:49:21] laisee : Maybe advertise on /r/bitcoinmarkets or craigslist ...
[2016-11-03 11:49:35] john1243 : you should just find a couple friends to trade with
[2016-11-03 11:49:59] john1243 : each keep your own money
[2016-11-03 11:50:11] wurstgelee : princepawn: https://testnet.bitmex.com
[2016-11-03 11:50:12] rapidtrades : princepawn: i'll take ur money :) how much is it....like bullpark figure
[2016-11-03 11:50:16] wurstgelee : learn 4 free with testnet btc
[2016-11-03 11:50:17] VitalikButerin : What's up, crypto people?
[2016-11-03 11:50:27] john1243 : VitalikButerin: hi
[2016-11-03 11:50:30] princepawn : If Binary Options paid more than 100% then I would just need 1 friend to take the opposite direction and we split the certain profits.
[2016-11-03 11:50:32] wurstgelee : not eth
[2016-11-03 11:50:34] wurstgelee : thats down
[2016-11-03 11:50:35] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-03 11:50:53] john1243 : yeah, eth is shit
[2016-11-03 11:51:08] sledger : john1243: you cant even count to 4 properly
[2016-11-03 11:51:14] laisee : Vitality: how's biz?
[2016-11-03 11:51:28] john1243 : soo many bugs, incompetent devs
[2016-11-03 11:51:45] rapidtrades : dude...he's right behind you
[2016-11-03 11:51:46] VitalikButerin : Stuff's going great
[2016-11-03 11:51:53] rapidtrades : ^^^
[2016-11-03 11:52:08] john1243 : VitalikButerin: lol I was just kidding
[2016-11-03 11:52:20] john1243 : VitalikButerin: are you the real vitalik?
[2016-11-03 11:52:35] VitalikButerin : john1243: Yeah, I am.
[2016-11-03 11:52:42] kradiav : john1243: ofc he is
[2016-11-03 11:52:54] laisee : Y not
[2016-11-03 11:53:00] john1243 : VitalikButerin: how would I know?
[2016-11-03 11:53:05] rapidtrades : man chat is strange today
[2016-11-03 11:53:12] kradiav : VitalikButerin: plz send me 500 ETH and I'll double it
[2016-11-03 11:53:34] VitalikButerin : kradiav: I have more than enough ether, but thank you for the generous offer :)
[2016-11-03 11:54:15] john1243 : VitalikButerin: ok, well how is the work coming on the bug fixes?
[2016-11-03 11:54:17] laisee : Send vitalism 500 and he will divide. Into two and send back 1000
[2016-11-03 11:54:23] rapidtrades : sledger: ur buddy Vitalik is here....ask him about ur investment
[2016-11-03 11:54:35] VitalikButerin : john1243: Our team is working tirelessly and to the best of our abilities.
[2016-11-03 11:55:29] laisee : ETH haz many fans here
[2016-11-03 11:55:38] iefken : You're here to trade with some inside info arent you
[2016-11-03 11:55:53] rapidtrades : yes that's why he used his real name
[2016-11-03 11:56:00] iefken : damn him
[2016-11-03 11:56:06] john1243 : VitalikButerin: of course, just sucks that so many problems have come up recently because I do like the platform
[2016-11-03 11:56:09] laisee : perfect double mask disguise
[2016-11-03 11:56:31] VitalikButerin : My intentions are not to partake in insider trading, but, I assure you, if that were the case, I would choose a better name
[2016-11-03 11:57:14] laisee : EnronGasTrader
[2016-11-03 11:57:31] rapidtrades : VitalikButerin: do you have MS in computer science?
[2016-11-03 11:59:00] john1243 : vitalik is famous in crypto :P
[2016-11-03 11:59:36] VitalikButerin : rapidtrades: No, I do not.
[2016-11-03 11:59:39] VitalikButerin : john1243: :D
[2016-11-03 11:59:55] rapidtrades : VitalikButerin: can u do a twitter veirification for u? cos u took ur sweet time answering that Q
[2016-11-03 12:00:29] VitalikButerin : rapidtrades: I'd prefer not to bring too much attention to the fact that I'm trading here.
[2016-11-03 12:01:01] rapidtrades : seems legit, name aptly chosen for that
[2016-11-03 12:01:17] john1243 : VitalikButerin: so, what do you do when you aren't doing cypto?
[2016-11-03 12:01:20] john1243 : lol
[2016-11-03 12:01:35] laisee : Selling all ur ETH Classic, secretly?
[2016-11-03 12:01:41] miramm1115 : doing hookers & blow obviously
[2016-11-03 12:01:58] VitalikButerin : john1243: No comment.
[2016-11-03 12:02:05] VitalikButerin : miramm1115: Ah, if only.
[2016-11-03 12:02:10] VitalikButerin : laisee: No comment ;)
[2016-11-03 12:02:17] CapitalGains : Привет Виталик
[2016-11-03 12:02:29] rapidtrades : dam he is selling his classics here
[2016-11-03 12:02:34] rapidtrades : SELL SELL SELL
[2016-11-03 12:02:41] miramm1115 : oh cool, let's check Vitalik's Russian
[2016-11-03 12:02:43] john1243 : ETC CRASHING!
[2016-11-03 12:02:43] CapitalGains : Что ногого?
[2016-11-03 12:02:57] CapitalGains : *нового
[2016-11-03 12:03:06] laisee : All his REO Speedwagon albums
[2016-11-03 12:03:21] john1243 : imagine if he were on polo lol
[2016-11-03 12:03:47] john1243 : I can't stand most people on polo
[2016-11-03 12:03:48] rapidtrades : if we were on polo everyone here would get banned
[2016-11-03 12:04:05] laisee : for being too nice?
[2016-11-03 12:04:07] CapitalGains : I find the chat here more civilised
[2016-11-03 12:04:19] rapidtrades : they have too many rules
[2016-11-03 12:04:33] rapidtrades : they're warning ppl every few mins
[2016-11-03 12:04:35] john1243 : yeah I just started trading here and the chat is MUCH better
[2016-11-03 12:04:47] CapitalGains : We're just here to take other people's money through good old trading, not through hype, fud and links
[2016-11-03 12:05:24] rapidtrades : capital gains saying the words 'coin' and rock doesn't contribute to the discussion and can be considered spam
[2016-11-03 12:05:39] rapidtrades : polo in a nutshell ^
[2016-11-03 12:06:03] john1243 : well you can't actually manipulate the price with fud/hype here
[2016-11-03 12:06:25] rapidtrades : u can't on polo either, they're just being idiots about it
[2016-11-03 12:06:33] laisee : No need, just let markets and management do their thang
[2016-11-03 12:06:42] ytaews : rapidtrades: let's not start that chat please
[2016-11-03 12:06:45] CapitalGains : Best to keep the Polo trollbox closed IMO
[2016-11-03 12:07:07] rapidtrades : i like watching trollboxes, shows u the sentiment
[2016-11-03 12:07:31] john1243 : can get some useful information