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[2016-11-02 19:06:32] numero : okay, thanks
[2016-11-02 19:06:53] rapidtrades : ADL basically closes u out at a profit, usually
[2016-11-02 19:07:18] NL007 : wow 2btc
[2016-11-02 19:07:41] rapidtrades : yeah it's been 2 for a while now...did u look away?
[2016-11-02 19:08:02] NL007 : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-11-02 19:10:25] rapidtrades : that was a 40% jump....we may need to chill out for a bit
[2016-11-02 19:12:28] rapidtrades : if 2 breaks we should go toward 3 - 3.5
[2016-11-02 19:13:12] NL007 : rapidtrades: its better to wait a few more days untill supply grows a bit
[2016-11-02 19:13:33] rapidtrades : better for who?
[2016-11-02 19:13:36] public username 321 : no liquidation so far
[2016-11-02 19:13:58] NL007 : now its easy for some groups to pump or dump hard
[2016-11-02 19:14:04] rapidtrades : public username 321: we're on the edge now....lowest shorts were around 0.4
[2016-11-02 19:14:33] rapidtrades : around 0.7-0.8 u will see some
[2016-11-02 19:14:34] NL007 : if you are on wrong side you get Liquidated fast
[2016-11-02 19:15:01] imabeast : yea .7 .8 is the spot
[2016-11-02 19:18:34] y1uy : wurstgelee: hey
[2016-11-02 19:18:50] wurstgelee : y1uy: yep?
[2016-11-02 19:18:52] y1uy : wurstgelee: still worth mining ZEC with nicehash SOl?
[2016-11-02 19:19:06] wurstgelee : y1uy: dont think so
[2016-11-02 19:20:05] y1uy : wurstgelee: ok
[2016-11-02 19:21:31] NL007 : zec diff. doubled in a few days
[2016-11-02 19:24:02] wurstgelee : can anyone recommend a place where i can bet on us election result with btc?
[2016-11-02 19:24:11] wurstgelee : preferably trustworthy
[2016-11-02 19:24:11] QuantFocus : augur
[2016-11-02 19:24:15] wurstgelee : löl
[2016-11-02 19:25:12] wurstgelee : hm, might as well do it indirectly and short stocks
[2016-11-02 19:25:15] wurstgelee : nvm
[2016-11-02 19:25:17] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 19:25:27] numero : I'm long gold going into the election
[2016-11-02 19:25:34] wurstgelee : same bet ;)
[2016-11-02 19:25:36] y1uy : yup
[2016-11-02 19:25:39] y1uy : long gold and btc
[2016-11-02 19:25:40] numero : nice
[2016-11-02 19:30:26] sleger : wurstgelee: fairlay
[2016-11-02 19:31:05] rapidtrades : sleger: dude...time to partake in some ZEC
[2016-11-02 19:31:27] sleger : rapidtrades: dude it's neveeeeeeeer going back above 1, take your loss
[2016-11-02 19:31:38] rapidtrades : ahahaha
[2016-11-02 19:31:43] rapidtrades : short hope dies last
[2016-11-02 19:35:37] martinium : people have inflated hopes for this ZEC
[2016-11-02 19:35:53] martinium : from here on out it is just another shitcoin with use of fancy algos
[2016-11-02 19:36:13] martinium : but whatever money can be made on it since it is tradable
[2016-11-02 19:38:53] rapidtrades : we;re just taking a break here before attacking 2 again
[2016-11-02 19:40:11] wurstgelee : now
[2016-11-02 19:40:11] martinium : you mea before BTC breaks 800+ and ZEC gets crushed some more with all other alts?
[2016-11-02 19:40:14] sleger : 0.2 ?
[2016-11-02 19:40:14] martinium : mean*
[2016-11-02 19:40:25] martinium : sleger: indeed
[2016-11-02 19:40:38] hhhhh : ZEC is the BIGGEST scam I have seen this year in crypto
[2016-11-02 19:40:58] QuantFocus : just this year?
[2016-11-02 19:41:00] wurstgelee : there is no scam. the "trading" is different than other launch pumps
[2016-11-02 19:41:01] rapidtrades : sleger: are u short again? didn't u lose enough money in this coin?
[2016-11-02 19:41:02] sleger : you clearly havent seen sally
[2016-11-02 19:41:04] wurstgelee : because no supply
[2016-11-02 19:41:07] wurstgelee : that is all
[2016-11-02 19:41:13] sleger : rapidtrades: no pos
[2016-11-02 19:41:13] QuantFocus : i don't know about scam, but clever implementation by devs
[2016-11-02 19:41:13] wurstgelee : deal with it or get dealth with ;)
[2016-11-02 19:41:19] wurstgelee : *-h
[2016-11-02 19:41:23] hhhhh : QuantFocus: lol could be last 5 years?
[2016-11-02 19:41:25] rapidtrades : sleger: so -100, got it
[2016-11-02 19:41:52] sleger : should i market buy to cover ?
[2016-11-02 19:42:01] rapidtrades : yes plz
[2016-11-02 19:42:10] sleger : wouldnt even bring the price to 1
[2016-11-02 19:42:12] imabeast : here it comes again lol
[2016-11-02 19:42:16] sleger : you'd still be down 2 btc ;)
[2016-11-02 19:42:20] rapidtrades : where that greek boy
[2016-11-02 19:42:29] rapidtrades : did his fill at 0.35 hit?
[2016-11-02 19:42:51] rapidtrades : nope still 5 there hahahah
[2016-11-02 19:43:33] rapidtrades : tbf he got out of most shorts i think, so didn't do too bad
[2016-11-02 19:45:16] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: so u are holding this 1 underwater long till dec 30?
[2016-11-02 19:45:48] sleger : yes
[2016-11-02 19:46:06] sleger : 60 days of hearing that....
[2016-11-02 19:48:05] wurstgelee : yay :|
[2016-11-02 19:57:16] Airmike : Hi
[2016-11-02 20:00:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 1730 @ 0.002671
[2016-11-02 20:02:24] orly : guys, can anyone tell me about the gold market?
[2016-11-02 20:02:56] orly : like, if you want to go long on gold, what's your go to place?
[2016-11-02 20:03:34] orly : do you buy physical gold or are these markets mostly "virtual"?
[2016-11-02 20:04:05] sleger : you buy digix gold using ethereum token
[2016-11-02 20:06:42] orly : do they accept ethereum or is the virtual asset itself on the eth chain?
[2016-11-02 20:07:20] orly : and do they actually have the physical gold represented by the contract?
[2016-11-02 20:07:29] orly : sleger: ^
[2016-11-02 20:07:47] sleger : orly: google
[2016-11-02 20:08:08] sleger : gold is audited and held in singapore
[2016-11-02 20:08:46] orly : yeah i'm already reading their site just figured it would be quicker since you've used them i assume
[2016-11-02 20:08:55] orly : thanks though
[2016-11-02 20:09:55] orly : "Every step of the way, records of proof are published permanently using Ethereum" :/
[2016-11-02 20:10:19] orly : yeah uh, unfortunately i don't trust the eth chain since the first hard fork
[2016-11-02 20:11:14] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-02 20:16:17] zecz : lol, its still around 0,5 here
[2016-11-02 20:16:28] zecz : why not 1++ now when its "marked"
[2016-11-02 20:18:21] Rado : it's not marked yet
[2016-11-02 20:19:43] BitMEX_Sam : Even when it is, the point of marking is not to converge futures & spot price, it's to provide price stability & prevent unnecessary liquidations
[2016-11-02 20:19:57] BitMEX_Sam : It will only stabilize the futures price, it will not cause it to trade with more or less basis
[2016-11-02 20:20:35] BitMEX_Sam : We specifically made a note of this in the announcement but it appears misunderstanding was responsible for that small pump after the email went out.
[2016-11-02 20:20:41] martinium : man that funding rate brutalizes my gainz
[2016-11-02 20:20:50] martinium : glad its dropping again
[2016-11-02 20:21:05] martinium : hopefully shorts made money and took their profits
[2016-11-02 20:21:08] sleger : we'll make sure to bring it back up
[2016-11-02 20:21:39] martinium : hehe
[2016-11-02 20:21:53] sleger : you know who's causing that rate to be so high ?
[2016-11-02 20:22:29] martinium : the bitmex index that only has two exchanges?
[2016-11-02 20:22:37] martinium : lol
[2016-11-02 20:22:42] sleger : no you and your friends buying the swap above the index
[2016-11-02 20:22:54] martinium : interesting
[2016-11-02 20:23:17] martinium : the way the index works though it always follows
[2016-11-02 20:23:21] martinium : in an upswing
[2016-11-02 20:23:21] messiaen8844 : swap rate is a good contrarian indicator
[2016-11-02 20:23:40] martinium : messiaen8844: I've found that to be the case at least partially
[2016-11-02 20:23:50] messiaen8844 : it can help
[2016-11-02 20:24:34] sleger : i can remember people who said that with daily, and sold when premium reached 2$, then 5$ they were screaming short opportunity of the year
[2016-11-02 20:24:47] sleger : by the time premium reached 80 they were all REKT, so good luck with that
[2016-11-02 20:25:01] martinium : I don't base any of my trades on that
[2016-11-02 20:25:15] martinium : I personally base mine on price and a few other things
[2016-11-02 20:25:31] martinium : I don't use any indicators as I am a price action guy
[2016-11-02 20:28:56] messiaen8844 : sledger, that is overly simplistic usage
[2016-11-02 20:29:19] hhhhh : ZEC in free fall on poloniex
[2016-11-02 20:29:27] messiaen8844 : what it does is give a direct measure of sentiment
[2016-11-02 20:29:46] KETH : BitMEX_Sam: Hi. I just read https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking and unless I'm mistaken, for the future faire price calculation, you make a lot of operations to end up with Fair Price = Impact Mid Price (yes all the rest cancel out, and it is confirmed in your example at the end of the page). So... why not, but I don't know if that's what you wanted really ^^
[2016-11-02 20:31:17] sleger : KETH: yep and he did confirm that earlier to you
[2016-11-02 20:31:23] sleger : except the update frequency
[2016-11-02 20:31:43] sleger : please pay more attention or next time I will have to give you a 12 hr ban from the chat
[2016-11-02 20:32:02] KETH : sleger: Ok (well not to me I just arrived, you may have mistaken me for someone else)
[2016-11-02 20:32:43] zecz : KETH also saw that
[2016-11-02 20:32:53] zecz : thought I did the calculations wrong
[2016-11-02 20:32:54] NL007 : sleger: since when do you ban people?
[2016-11-02 20:33:05] NL007 : :)
[2016-11-02 20:34:39] sleger : NL007: since 2014
[2016-11-02 20:35:16] NL007 : who do people know you are a mod?
[2016-11-02 20:35:28] BitMEX_Sam : He's just kidding around.
[2016-11-02 20:35:35] BitMEX_Sam : The only mods have `BitMEX` in their name.
[2016-11-02 20:35:44] NL007 : BitMEX_Sam: thought so
[2016-11-02 20:35:44] martinium : lmao
[2016-11-02 20:36:09] messiaen8844 : Sam
[2016-11-02 20:36:16] martinium : sleger: you crack me up. Love your sarcasic humor
[2016-11-02 20:36:18] messiaen8844 : could you change sledger to name to BitMEX_sledger
[2016-11-02 20:36:30] messiaen8844 : like when you guys changed rapittrades nick
[2016-11-02 20:36:31] NL007 : BitMEX_Sam: maybe he needs a 12hr ban.
[2016-11-02 20:36:36] NL007 : lol
[2016-11-02 20:36:40] messiaen8844 : please give him banhammer for 12hr
[2016-11-02 20:36:45] martinium : nah
[2016-11-02 20:36:51] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: Maybe then we should change my nickname to BitMEX_Sleger
[2016-11-02 20:36:51] martinium : hes funny
[2016-11-02 20:37:11] NL007 : banhammer is also funny
[2016-11-02 20:37:31] martinium : everytime someone says banhammer I think of norse gods
[2016-11-02 20:37:43] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Okay, I've changed your nick
[2016-11-02 20:37:55] QuantFocus : test it
[2016-11-02 20:37:57] sledger : sleger: show us your new name
[2016-11-02 20:38:06] QuantFocus : :boo:
[2016-11-02 20:38:14] martinium : wtf there is a sledger and a sleger
[2016-11-02 20:38:19] martinium : hahahaha
[2016-11-02 20:38:27] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-02 20:38:29] sledger : and same color we have
[2016-11-02 20:38:38] NL007 : twins
[2016-11-02 20:38:42] BitMEX_Sam : We've been lining our pockets with these color changes
[2016-11-02 20:38:47] QuantFocus : oh wow, didn't catch that
[2016-11-02 20:38:54] sledger : i paid 10btc, how much did sleger pay ?
[2016-11-02 20:39:02] wurstgelee : sledger: 5
[2016-11-02 20:39:06] sledger : damn
[2016-11-02 20:39:27] martinium : sledger: you bought the top
[2016-11-02 20:39:39] martinium : imminent DEWM
[2016-11-02 20:40:39] sledger : martinium: i didnt know there was a cap at 10 for color as well
[2016-11-02 20:41:20] QuantFocus : they're moving it up to 100 this week. buy your color change now
[2016-11-02 20:42:55] messiaen8844 : they are launching an appcoin for bitmex colors
[2016-11-02 20:43:02] wurstgelee : sledger: its undocumented but its there. its unreasonable to pay more so it makes sense tho
[2016-11-02 20:43:12] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 20:43:13] messiaen8844 : please make rapidtrades pink
[2016-11-02 20:43:43] wurstgelee : and add a thai flag to his nick
[2016-11-02 20:46:58] kd12 : test
[2016-11-02 20:47:00] sledger : nah, they already have problems to keep arthur focused enough
[2016-11-02 20:53:56] wurstgelee : 5k or not to 5k
[2016-11-02 20:54:04] blacktuesday : china making another attempt
[2016-11-02 20:54:20] blacktuesday : such resistance to +5k
[2016-11-02 20:57:08] mike23aa : going up
[2016-11-02 20:57:11] wurstgelee : step 1: done
[2016-11-02 20:57:12] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 20:57:22] blacktuesday : 780 okc quart
[2016-11-02 20:57:37] john1243 : probably not to 5k with the strengthening of the yuan
[2016-11-02 20:58:21] wurstgelee : we are at 5k
[2016-11-02 20:58:43] john1243 : oh thats right
[2016-11-02 20:58:47] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 20:59:13] john1243 : still think it's going to blow off a little steam here though
[2016-11-02 21:00:28] sledger : john1243: we'll send you a postcard fom the moon
[2016-11-02 21:03:48] martinium : MEWN
[2016-11-02 21:06:18] blacktuesday : if im seeing all bars lit for ADL - what do i do to reduce my risk of ADL? If I sell and take profit risk will be lower, right?
[2016-11-02 21:07:05] wurstgelee : that would be dumb because adl would give u a better price than selling if adl gets triggered
[2016-11-02 21:07:42] blacktuesday : I see. thanks for info, so adding more margin is the only way to lower risk?
[2016-11-02 21:07:58] wurstgelee : iirc yes
[2016-11-02 21:08:34] sledger : no
[2016-11-02 21:09:05] sledger : trade against yourself or a 2nd account to switch the position to it and reset the unrealised to zero
[2016-11-02 21:09:58] blacktuesday : ^sounds like an advanced skill.
[2016-11-02 21:10:15] blacktuesday : trying to wrap my head around the concept. seems legit :)
[2016-11-02 21:12:07] numero : would you do that in the middle of the spread?
[2016-11-02 21:12:10] sledger : its annoying that you have to maintain 2 accounts just to arbitrage a poorly formed rule
[2016-11-02 21:12:21] sledger : numero: yes with hidden order ideally
[2016-11-02 21:12:30] numero : sledger: right on
[2016-11-02 21:12:36] sledger : but they should just change the rule if its so easy to game
[2016-11-02 21:12:49] sledger : I told them 2 weeks ago I believe
[2016-11-02 21:13:12] sledger : also they do collect some fees when you trade agaisnt yourself so its not totally free
[2016-11-02 21:13:53] wurstgelee : oh right, i recall that
[2016-11-02 21:15:52] john1243 : stupid sell order executed twice
[2016-11-02 21:19:25] blacktuesday : gonna be uber bull time if 5k can h0ld
[2016-11-02 21:19:34] wurstgelee : if
[2016-11-02 21:19:43] blacktuesday : big if ya
[2016-11-02 21:23:36] john1243 : my sell order was on FCT to close out a long so technically not too bad if BTC is pumping
[2016-11-02 21:24:44] blacktuesday : the time has come, gentlemen
[2016-11-02 21:25:06] blacktuesday : shorts gonna panic
[2016-11-02 21:26:02] rapidtrades : indeed, it's gentlemen time
[2016-11-02 21:26:47] rapidtrades : gotta say that spike and full retracement on polo doesn't look good
[2016-11-02 21:26:56] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-11-02 21:26:57] rapidtrades : good thing we don't follow polo around here
[2016-11-02 21:27:17] wurstgelee : i retired from zec trading for while
[2016-11-02 21:27:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1000 @ 730.17
[2016-11-02 21:27:21] wurstgelee : only 4 longs left
[2016-11-02 21:27:59] rapidtrades : tnx for abandoning the line
[2016-11-02 21:28:19] Boontjie : rapidtrades: ?
[2016-11-02 21:28:33] wurstgelee : it will go down, bottom somewhere...and then its inetresting again
[2016-11-02 21:28:34] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 21:28:36] Boontjie : spike
[2016-11-02 21:28:50] rapidtrades : yeah we spiked to 2 on polo
[2016-11-02 21:28:55] rapidtrades : did u just got here?
[2016-11-02 21:29:18] Boontjie : yes
[2016-11-02 21:29:51] rapidtrades : if the shorts don't capitulate fair basis will be around 300-400%
[2016-11-02 21:30:10] rapidtrades : i'll need margin trading to get out of this one
[2016-11-02 21:30:15] Boontjie : lol
[2016-11-02 21:30:39] rapidtrades : cmon kraken, one time :)
[2016-11-02 21:30:53] Boontjie : I am assuming a short on zec here
[2016-11-02 21:31:09] Boontjie : if kraken allows shorting the price should tank :)
[2016-11-02 21:31:20] Boontjie : given futures are normally higher than spot
[2016-11-02 21:31:27] sledger : rapidtrades: why dyou think margin trading will save you ?
[2016-11-02 21:31:40] rapidtrades : sledger: short there, done deal
[2016-11-02 21:31:44] rapidtrades : hedged
[2016-11-02 21:31:46] sledger : rapidtrades: huh carry ?
[2016-11-02 21:31:55] rapidtrades : i carry ur mum
[2016-11-02 21:31:59] sledger : you think you can borrow zec for free dummy ?
[2016-11-02 21:32:15] rapidtrades : i know it won't be at 1200-1600% per annum
[2016-11-02 21:32:23] Boontjie : sledger: if we were only higher... then yes
[2016-11-02 21:32:43] rapidtrades : if I've learned smth in my one year here is that 90% of ppl here are retarded
[2016-11-02 21:32:45] sledger : rapidtrades: you dont know that, it will adjust to futures discount so that there is no arb between both
[2016-11-02 21:32:56] rapidtrades : ahahaha...yeah right
[2016-11-02 21:34:00] y1uy : do you guys think BTC still has steam to go up?
[2016-11-02 21:34:18] rapidtrades : just like the the quantos were pricing in bitcoin a $1400 @sledger
[2016-11-02 21:34:31] rapidtrades : how did that work out?
[2016-11-02 21:35:45] aethlios : 2% okcoin biweekly prem. Delicious premiums everywhere
[2016-11-02 21:35:45] rapidtrades : or on the swap...if we go down they sell it into discount, if we go up into premium
[2016-11-02 21:36:02] rapidtrades : there is very little predictive value in that i've found....at least here
[2016-11-02 21:37:26] rapidtrades : aethlios: the $50 on December isn't too bad either
[2016-11-02 21:38:30] aethlios : could see 100 usd prem on 3m if spot 1000
[2016-11-02 21:38:44] rapidtrades : but not on okc :)
[2016-11-02 21:40:40] aethlios : market very bullish, let's see what happens when we reach previous 790 finex high, above 800 will be panic buy.
[2016-11-02 21:41:46] rapidtrades : Dollar mostly lower again today so prolly stronger Yuan at fix
[2016-11-02 21:42:52] micmix : okc will put a cap on premium again and kill the rally when their bots build big enough short
[2016-11-02 21:42:56] aethlios : if trump wins the world will change, political change in wurope also, 2017 german and french elections, central banks could change policies with less globalist leaders.
[2016-11-02 21:43:11] john1243 : god I hope trump doesn't win
[2016-11-02 21:43:22] javierstone : ya it would be awful
[2016-11-02 21:43:28] john1243 : he has a face I just wanna punch
[2016-11-02 21:43:47] javierstone : its scary how ppl are sorta justifying why it would be financially good for their bitcoins if trump wins
[2016-11-02 21:44:09] john1243 : it would be financially good
[2016-11-02 21:44:26] rapidtrades : TRUMP 2016
[2016-11-02 21:44:28] viptrader : bitmex X100 SWAP is according to bitsamp?
[2016-11-02 21:44:30] viptrader : or finex?
[2016-11-02 21:44:32] viptrader : price
[2016-11-02 21:44:34] rapidtrades : make bitcoin great again
[2016-11-02 21:44:39] javierstone : lol
[2016-11-02 21:44:44] john1243 : but I'd rather not want to see an increase at the expense of the world economy
[2016-11-02 21:44:52] javierstone : remember the bush era
[2016-11-02 21:44:58] rapidtrades : bush was fine
[2016-11-02 21:45:08] aethlios : viptrader: https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex based on this index
[2016-11-02 21:45:13] javierstone : we're still dealing with his wars and their fall out
[2016-11-02 21:45:23] rapidtrades : not rly
[2016-11-02 21:45:31] aethlios : 50% okcoin 50% stamp
[2016-11-02 21:45:47] javierstone : i have friends covering mosul rn who would disagree
[2016-11-02 21:45:54] wurstgelee : which bush?
[2016-11-02 21:45:58] javierstone : w
[2016-11-02 21:46:01] wurstgelee : the 2nd, retarded one?
[2016-11-02 21:46:06] javierstone : yup
[2016-11-02 21:46:06] wurstgelee : k
[2016-11-02 21:46:10] rapidtrades : well then obama should've pulled out? @javierstone
[2016-11-02 21:46:22] rapidtrades : IS didn't take mosul on bushes watch yo
[2016-11-02 21:46:40] wurstgelee : yeah. and 9/11 didnt happen with hitler
[2016-11-02 21:46:43] wurstgelee : great argument
[2016-11-02 21:47:00] rapidtrades : it is cos he's blaming bush for stuff obama did
[2016-11-02 21:47:09] javierstone : ya but bush decided to ignore the former republican guard when conquering iraq
[2016-11-02 21:47:12] negamax : javierstone: people are overestimating the harm Trump can do (if he indeed win). US is a corporatocracy. Power is divided
[2016-11-02 21:47:13] javierstone : which led to isis
[2016-11-02 21:47:29] Shenol : Hilary is going to jail
[2016-11-02 21:47:44] y1uy : they are both puppets
[2016-11-02 21:47:47] rapidtrades : javierstone: that's a lot of justification to ignore the simple fact, on who's watch did IS rise
[2016-11-02 21:48:10] Shenol : US is sending weapons to ISIS
[2016-11-02 21:48:17] y1uy : Shenol: yup
[2016-11-02 21:48:22] javierstone : rapidtrades: ignoring the basic principles of how every war torn country has been sucessfully rebuilt since ww2?
[2016-11-02 21:48:33] y1uy : shillery is selling USA uranium to russia
[2016-11-02 21:48:51] javierstone : invading a country with the highest number of corporate mercenaries that US has ever seen?
[2016-11-02 21:48:59] javierstone : dude fucked up
[2016-11-02 21:49:40] javierstone : even if you are a heartless hawk, there's a way better strategy to wage a war than what he did
[2016-11-02 21:50:28] john1243 : why can't I see the FCT order book?
[2016-11-02 21:51:19] habibi : john1243: u can
[2016-11-02 21:52:19] rapidtrades : bush wasn't a great pres but obama did a lot more harm to the world by checking out
[2016-11-02 21:52:22] john1243 : says to me highest buy order is 0.001585 and lowest sell order is 0.00303
[2016-11-02 21:52:30] rapidtrades : too busy wrecking the US economy with obamacare
[2016-11-02 21:52:58] javierstone : rapidtrades: ya but he faced alot more opposition than bush
[2016-11-02 21:53:13] javierstone : democrats would never stone wall the president like republicans did for the last 8 years
[2016-11-02 21:53:35] javierstone : bush was handed a surplus and a sane society
[2016-11-02 21:53:40] rapidtrades : i honestly don't care that much about bush to continue arguing
[2016-11-02 21:53:51] rapidtrades : but bush>obama
[2016-11-02 21:53:53] javierstone : ya its mostly nostalgic feeling to be arguing about this in a chat room
[2016-11-02 21:56:44] rapidtrades : i should stop watching zec it's pointless until prices here are more responsive
[2016-11-02 21:56:52] rapidtrades : maybe from friday
[2016-11-02 21:56:57] micmix : it's very sad that the only choices in US election is bad and worse :-( you can argue who is worse but they both are not good choices
[2016-11-02 21:58:29] QuantFocus : clinton = :poop: | trump = :poop:
[2016-11-02 21:59:33] numero : Giant meteor 2016!
[2016-11-02 22:00:17] wurstgelee : they are both shit but clintion is within the range of normal
[2016-11-02 22:00:23] wurstgelee : *-i
[2016-11-02 22:00:26] john1243 : clinton is getting investigated by the FBI, Trump getting sued for underaged rape
[2016-11-02 22:00:35] kradiav : wurstgelee: for a lizard person, sure :P
[2016-11-02 22:00:42] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-02 22:00:43] john1243 : yay american democracy
[2016-11-02 22:00:48] rapidtrades : john1243: lol is that true?
[2016-11-02 22:00:50] wurstgelee : \o/
[2016-11-02 22:01:04] rapidtrades : im not caught up on my news
[2016-11-02 22:01:18] john1243 : rapidtrades: yup, it's going to trail end of november
[2016-11-02 22:01:29] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-11-02 22:02:17] john1243 : not to mention all thr other scandals trump has, not paying workers, dubios taxes, unlawful use of charity funds
[2016-11-02 22:02:22] john1243 : dubious*
[2016-11-02 22:03:03] rapidtrades : john1243: are u talking about this trial? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/campaign-2016-donald-trump-trial-date-set-in-trump-university-lawsuit/
[2016-11-02 22:03:03] john1243 : tbh, clintons use of email servers are a deflection
[2016-11-02 22:03:29] rapidtrades : cos that's not a rape trial
[2016-11-02 22:03:31] john1243 : rapidtrades: no, let me find it, but there is another
[2016-11-02 22:03:37] rapidtrades : oh good
[2016-11-02 22:04:58] john1243 : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_us_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834
[2016-11-02 22:05:15] numero : huffpo no!
[2016-11-02 22:06:11] rapidtrades : cmon...1994?
[2016-11-02 22:06:43] rapidtrades : these type of things are usually finshing for money....there can't be any evidence left after 22 years
[2016-11-02 22:07:15] john1243 : probably not
[2016-11-02 22:08:37] NL007 : rapidtrades: so bill cosby doesnt have to worry also charges from 20 yrs ago
[2016-11-02 22:08:45] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be surprised if he did it cos he seems like the type
[2016-11-02 22:09:06] rapidtrades : but you'd think the FBI would do its job after 22 years
[2016-11-02 22:09:24] john1243 : point is that trump is going on about the email server night and day when he has about a dozen different cases against him
[2016-11-02 22:09:26] Rado : Huffington is supporting Hilary that's all
[2016-11-02 22:09:54] rapidtrades : john1243: but that email case has a direct impact on the presidency
[2016-11-02 22:09:57] NL007 : john1243: trump had his own secret server
[2016-11-02 22:10:22] rapidtrades : shows she's careless with public data and/or communicated privately for bribes
[2016-11-02 22:11:20] NL007 : rapidtrades: and you think trump is clean
[2016-11-02 22:11:42] rapidtrades : i didn't say he's clean
[2016-11-02 22:11:52] NL007 : i dont like both candidates
[2016-11-02 22:12:23] rapidtrades : republicans did a major f*Ck up allowing him ro run
[2016-11-02 22:12:45] rapidtrades : a polished guy like Romney could've won against Hillary
[2016-11-02 22:12:48] NL007 : 300+ million people and USA comes up with these 2 nuts
[2016-11-02 22:12:51] rapidtrades : no idea why he didn't run
[2016-11-02 22:13:02] john1243 : if any other republican candidate ran, he'd win easily
[2016-11-02 22:14:23] NL007 : rapidtrades: maybe because he lost in 2012
[2016-11-02 22:14:41] NL007 : had impact on him
[2016-11-02 22:14:43] john1243 : lol, they made such a big deal about romney's restructuring companies, seems like nothing now
[2016-11-02 22:15:18] rapidtrades : haha yeah
[2016-11-02 22:15:36] NL007 : i wouldnt be suprised if trump wins
[2016-11-02 22:16:02] NL007 : just like brexit wasnt expected
[2016-11-02 22:16:07] numero : 2016 vote is for who gets to be the bagholder, vote for who you want to lose
[2016-11-02 22:16:15] orly : the US, hell even the whole world deserves trump
[2016-11-02 22:16:30] john1243 : lol,atleast we'll get all the celeb's moving over to canada
[2016-11-02 22:16:37] NL007 : lol
[2016-11-02 22:16:45] rapidtrades : they always say that but noone moves :)
[2016-11-02 22:17:03] NL007 : trump cant even point mexico on a map
[2016-11-02 22:17:15] NL007 : but he wants a wall
[2016-11-02 22:17:23] NL007 : :)
[2016-11-02 22:17:41] john1243 : I wish we had taco trucks on every corner :(
[2016-11-02 22:17:56] orly : at least trump seems to be a somewhat straightforward guy
[2016-11-02 22:18:17] orly : he doesn't try to hide the fact that he's an idiot, or that the world is run by corporate wealth and power
[2016-11-02 22:18:20] john1243 : really? he lies 90% of the time
[2016-11-02 22:18:59] NL007 : john1243: he tells halve truths
[2016-11-02 22:19:24] NL007 : than he can spin it how he wants it
[2016-11-02 22:19:49] john1243 : NL007: lol, media had to step up fact checking just to keep up with him
[2016-11-02 22:20:07] NL007 : john1243: yes
[2016-11-02 22:20:28] NL007 : people like him are dangerous
[2016-11-02 22:21:35] NL007 : he will make America great again
[2016-11-02 22:22:01] NL007 : i hate slogans like that
[2016-11-02 22:22:24] NL007 : just like that obama slogan we can change
[2016-11-02 22:22:41] john1243 : "when they go low, we go high"
[2016-11-02 22:23:04] john1243 : stfu hilary lol
[2016-11-02 22:24:40] john1243 : man, I can't see any of the FCT orderbook
[2016-11-02 22:25:18] rapidtrades : i see 2 very low bids
[2016-11-02 22:25:24] john1243 : can't you see it?
[2016-11-02 22:25:32] john1243 : me too
[2016-11-02 22:25:44] rapidtrades : yeah that's all there is I tihnk
[2016-11-02 22:26:04] rapidtrades : MM checked out
[2016-11-02 22:26:17] john1243 : MM?
[2016-11-02 22:26:27] rapidtrades : market maker
[2016-11-02 22:26:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have an idea. How about a derivative for a Poloniex Index. It would be a good vehicle to hedge polo positions
[2016-11-02 22:26:48] john1243 : does that happen often?
[2016-11-02 22:27:05] rapidtrades : u can try putting a bid at 0.002 and see if he tops u
[2016-11-02 22:27:22] rapidtrades : if he does go higher etc
[2016-11-02 22:27:35] rapidtrades : don't get too close tho :)
[2016-11-02 22:27:36] john1243 : I'm ok right now
[2016-11-02 22:28:03] rapidtrades : i have no clue how often, don't trade it
[2016-11-02 22:29:06] john1243 : FCT great for trading
[2016-11-02 22:38:00] yerb : ok, im 115% in profit on my long, do I just deuct 0.37% to calculate funding rate?
[2016-11-02 22:38:16] yerb : deduct
[2016-11-02 22:40:11] micmix : yerb: next funding rate is 0.0983%, longs will pay it in 5 hours
[2016-11-02 22:41:16] micmix : if you are talking about XBTUSD longs will pay 0.0983%, shorts will receive 0.0983% of position value
[2016-11-02 22:41:23] rapidtrades : yerb: the 115% profit in calculated based on ur margin while the funding is based on the size of ur position, 2 different things
[2016-11-02 22:42:01] rapidtrades : do 0.0983% on the size of ur position to get the funding u will pay
[2016-11-02 22:57:00] viptrader : im long since 735 and it show me negative roe, why?
[2016-11-02 22:57:59] rfcdejong : viptrader: market price on Kaiko is lower
[2016-11-02 22:58:23] viptrader : but if it sell i will be in profit, right?
[2016-11-02 22:58:41] rfcdejong : viptrader: only if you act as a maker
[2016-11-02 22:58:51] viptrader : ha?
[2016-11-02 22:58:59] rfcdejong : viptrader: put it on the sell book and hope they buy it
[2016-11-02 22:59:06] blacktuesday : here we go
[2016-11-02 22:59:10] blacktuesday : moon
[2016-11-02 22:59:21] viptrader : not selling, moon time boys
[2016-11-02 22:59:24] viptrader : new high coming
[2016-11-02 22:59:43] rfcdejong : when people think that it crash lol
[2016-11-02 23:00:09] rfcdejong : from 5037 on hubo down to 5027 already
[2016-11-02 23:00:13] rfcdejong : about to crash
[2016-11-02 23:00:16] rfcdejong : \:)
[2016-11-02 23:00:37] blacktuesday : west still needs to come up in price
[2016-11-02 23:00:53] john1243 : lol I dunno about that
[2016-11-02 23:00:56] rfcdejong : look at mcad
[2016-11-02 23:00:57] blacktuesday : 730 on OKC USD rate vs 735 + for stamp and finex
[2016-11-02 23:01:03] yerb : testing resistance
[2016-11-02 23:01:23] yerb : lets blow trough shall be :)
[2016-11-02 23:01:33] rfcdejong : possible
[2016-11-02 23:01:42] rfcdejong : wish I could predict lol
[2016-11-02 23:01:55] yerb : heh yeah
[2016-11-02 23:02:04] john1243 : I'm short on FCT which is like being long BTC
[2016-11-02 23:02:27] Boontjie : and short actual factom
[2016-11-02 23:02:36] viptrader : so mark price is wrong here
[2016-11-02 23:02:41] viptrader : what about liq price?
[2016-11-02 23:02:47] viptrader : is it wrong too?
[2016-11-02 23:02:51] Boontjie : viptrader: based on mark
[2016-11-02 23:03:02] john1243 : my liq price is 0.00322
[2016-11-02 23:03:32] rfcdejong : I did transfer 1 BTC into here, won 1 BTC yday and lost 1.5 BTC today lol :)
[2016-11-02 23:03:55] rfcdejong : 100% margin is worst than trading ZEC
[2016-11-02 23:04:29] rfcdejong : but my own fault, shorted somewhere I though it would go...
[2016-11-02 23:04:35] rfcdejong : while asleep
[2016-11-02 23:05:01] rfcdejong : for nearly 150 BTC haha
[2016-11-02 23:05:20] john1243 : you shorted BTC or ZEC?
[2016-11-02 23:05:23] rfcdejong : I love trading in here already, huge amounts but insane risk
[2016-11-02 23:05:25] rfcdejong : BTC
[2016-11-02 23:06:13] john1243 : yeah I wouldn't short it here unless it makes a new high
[2016-11-02 23:06:15] rfcdejong : yday around 730-735 or so, while it went to 740 before falling down
[2016-11-02 23:06:27] rfcdejong : should had shorted at 740
[2016-11-02 23:06:34] wurstgelee : stop teasing buttcoin ffs
[2016-11-02 23:07:06] rfcdejong : :)
[2016-11-02 23:07:30] rfcdejong : it is just a matter of time before btc crash back to 600 and then slowly tank
[2016-11-02 23:07:39] rfcdejong : finding the right moment
[2016-11-02 23:07:44] rfcdejong : could hit 800 as well
[2016-11-02 23:07:56] rfcdejong : or 900 even
[2016-11-02 23:08:24] Boontjie : rfcdejong: chill
[2016-11-02 23:08:37] rfcdejong : and I will probl settle for 5% profit with a 150 BTC short haha
[2016-11-02 23:08:43] rfcdejong : why chill :)
[2016-11-02 23:08:44] Boontjie : its not at 10K yet
[2016-11-02 23:09:55] rfcdejong : as long as I keep a certain amount of BTC i'm happy
[2016-11-02 23:10:01] rfcdejong : in cold storage
[2016-11-02 23:11:35] rfcdejong : kind of a silence in here? :)
[2016-11-02 23:11:43] rfcdejong : 641 users
[2016-11-02 23:12:05] numero : Tetsuo talking to himself kind of killed it for me
[2016-11-02 23:12:34] rfcdejong : who is Tetsuo? :)
[2016-11-02 23:12:58] numero : I'm not sure to be honest
[2016-11-02 23:13:06] wurstgelee : rfcdejong: exhausted. 2 much trading and mining in the last days
[2016-11-02 23:13:09] wurstgelee : chilling
[2016-11-02 23:13:26] rfcdejong : the iron man ? :)
[2016-11-02 23:13:35] rfcdejong : wurstgelee: haha
[2016-11-02 23:15:15] blacktuesday : lets go btc fomo
[2016-11-02 23:15:50] rfcdejong : that was a short negative mcad
[2016-11-02 23:16:31] wurstgelee : rfcdejong: ? 1min timeframe? oO
[2016-11-02 23:16:33] rfcdejong : on 1 minute bars, kind of useless :)
[2016-11-02 23:16:36] wurstgelee : ah k
[2016-11-02 23:16:53] rfcdejong : it's way green on longer time frames
[2016-11-02 23:17:13] rfcdejong : put can't stay to green then...
[2016-11-02 23:17:31] viptrader : futures going to new high
[2016-11-02 23:17:36] viptrader : all in long
[2016-11-02 23:17:45] john1243 : hoping my FCT short hits now :S
[2016-11-02 23:17:54] sledger : viptrader: Rekt in peace
[2016-11-02 23:17:54] rfcdejong : I haven't tried trading futures yet
[2016-11-02 23:18:18] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: have you been doing any more ZEC mining rentals on nicehash?
[2016-11-02 23:18:46] rfcdejong : oh there we go back down it seems
[2016-11-02 23:19:01] viptrader : what exchange u following boys
[2016-11-02 23:19:03] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: a few, hardly profitable. kept on doing it tho becaquse i liked dumping on polo :D
[2016-11-02 23:19:16] EA_FTW : Got a nasty surprise today - back of the envelope calcs said 1.3ZEC/BTC, instead I only got 0.5! Don't know what went wrong?
[2016-11-02 23:19:20] rfcdejong : or not... damn I'm glad I'm not in a position now ;)
[2016-11-02 23:19:20] john1243 : push btc push
[2016-11-02 23:19:21] wurstgelee : stopped it now
[2016-11-02 23:19:23] viptrader : 3m futures want the moon
[2016-11-02 23:19:49] wurstgelee : the weekly btc is so beautiful.
[2016-11-02 23:20:09] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: crazy thought....can't I neutralize my long here by buying hashes?
[2016-11-02 23:20:10] wurstgelee : high noon, area of historically reistance
[2016-11-02 23:20:23] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: its not profitable, prob a loss even
[2016-11-02 23:20:45] john1243 : there we go, closed out my FCT short for 15%
[2016-11-02 23:20:56] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: yeah it was a stupid idea
[2016-11-02 23:21:06] wurstgelee : indeed
[2016-11-02 23:21:22] viptrader : long this shit now
[2016-11-02 23:21:36] blacktuesday : can we make a bullflag and keep pushing
[2016-11-02 23:21:51] rapidtrades : im torn about this bitcoin rally...
[2016-11-02 23:22:16] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: yeah, I don't understand it, doing the calculations based on network hashrate, ZEC/block and price, it worked out beutifully on Monday (even without factoring in the pump!), today more than half of the ZEC went missing it seems (unless explorer.zcha.in is not accurate anymore?)
[2016-11-02 23:22:48] rapidtrades : how did it 'went missing'
[2016-11-02 23:23:12] kradiav : remember that they are the z-addr that don't show any amounts, so if someone mines to a z-address the amt won't show up
[2016-11-02 23:23:15] rapidtrades : FOUNDERS BURNED IT TO JACK UP PRICES
[2016-11-02 23:23:20] rapidtrades : buy buy buy
[2016-11-02 23:24:23] john1243 : rapidtrades: how would you know
[2016-11-02 23:25:27] EA_FTW : rapidtrades: dunno? Some info I'm dealing with must be wrong, or the miners aren't paying up properly or something? Monday: ((700/3000)/0.12))*1 = 1.9 [I got 1.8]. Today: ((11500/5000)/0.18))*1.0.8 = 1.4 [I got 0.55!!]