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[2016-11-02 02:38:21] javierstone : i accidentally added a few and now ic an't get rid of them
[2016-11-02 02:38:22] rapidtrades : it's a put option
[2016-11-02 02:38:31] arbitrage001 : j8: from time to time, market expectation can be wrong
[2016-11-02 02:39:12] rapidtrades : volume here is tiny compared to polo, u can't tell me all those guys are wrong but this crippled market got it right
[2016-11-02 02:39:17] j8 : of course, but it could be wrong the other way too. your arb could backfire if cost to borrow spikes
[2016-11-02 02:39:23] Rado : javierstone: oh I thought you mean the one that are there by default
[2016-11-02 02:39:32] Rado : you can remove the one you added
[2016-11-02 02:39:41] javierstone : how
[2016-11-02 02:39:43] j8 : rapidtrades: they're not wrong, since we can't see the borrow cost
[2016-11-02 02:39:44] rapidtrades : guess we'll see, I don't think either are close to adding margin
[2016-11-02 02:39:48] javierstone : when i click it, it adds another one
[2016-11-02 02:39:53] javierstone : my shit is fukt
[2016-11-02 02:39:55] Rado : click on the x where they are listed on the top left
[2016-11-02 02:40:25] arbitrage001 : j8: uncertainty also create huge discount/premium for the risk takers
[2016-11-02 02:41:33] j8 : anyway a huge discount and high lending rate makes complete sense given the massive difference in inflation rates
[2016-11-02 02:42:35] rapidtrades : the inflation argument only makes sense if u know how much inflation is already priced in right now
[2016-11-02 02:42:43] rapidtrades : which u don't so it's a stupid argument
[2016-11-02 02:46:28] lockhedge : the inflation argument makes sense because demand has to increase at the same speed as supply to hold the spot price
[2016-11-02 02:46:53] j8 : -75% by end of december is the information i have
[2016-11-02 02:47:20] j8 : i don't consider that "wrong" or think i know better
[2016-11-02 02:48:47] Rado : the demand for BTC has been increasing with the increasing suply
[2016-11-02 02:49:06] Rado : I don't think BTC inflation had a big effect on the price
[2016-11-02 02:50:26] rapidtrades : is there no other way to sell ZEC without already owning it? options, mining, whatever
[2016-11-02 02:50:35] arbitrage001 : any new coin that preceived to be better than btc can just replace it
[2016-11-02 02:50:45] arbitrage001 : infrastructure is mostly in place
[2016-11-02 02:51:05] rapidtrades : it doesn't have to replace BTC just do better then XMR
[2016-11-02 02:51:10] arbitrage001 : dont forget finex, polo, kraken offer zcash trading right from the start
[2016-11-02 02:51:28] arbitrage001 : that say a lot about the expectation
[2016-11-02 02:51:31] rapidtrades : which is basically their competitor in the anon space
[2016-11-02 02:51:47] rapidtrades : yes this is the most hyped coin ever
[2016-11-02 02:52:09] Apocalyptic : given the shielding transaction are reported not to work it's not much of a competition atm
[2016-11-02 02:52:27] miramm1115 : guys, you are talking about supply/demand, inflation etc. altcoin market is 100% manipulated, fundamentals don't matter much
[2016-11-02 02:52:28] rapidtrades : it doesn't have to work for prices to go up
[2016-11-02 02:52:30] lockhedge : Rado: there was no btc price a few after the genesis block has been mined.
[2016-11-02 02:52:51] lockhedge : * a few days
[2016-11-02 02:52:58] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: indeed, the expectation of it working in the future is sufficient
[2016-11-02 02:53:08] rapidtrades : u got it :)
[2016-11-02 02:53:18] rapidtrades : look at TSLA
[2016-11-02 02:53:27] Apocalyptic : it that a coin ?
[2016-11-02 02:53:40] Apocalyptic : lolk
[2016-11-02 02:54:23] QuantFocus : yea, solar energy coin
[2016-11-02 02:54:35] rapidtrades : does tesla make money? No. Does the market care? no
[2016-11-02 02:54:37] Apocalyptic : SolarCoin, launching soon
[2016-11-02 02:55:34] rapidtrades : i like this bounce, could turn into a major reversal
[2016-11-02 02:55:55] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: what happened with PBOC?
[2016-11-02 02:56:05] QuantFocus : had to hit the gym and get swole
[2016-11-02 02:56:14] rapidtrades : bit stronger Yuan but no reaction in BTC
[2016-11-02 02:56:17] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: I'm curious, what's your trading style ?
[2016-11-02 02:56:35] QuantFocus : Apocalyptic: i personally just try to lose money until i'm broke
[2016-11-02 02:56:42] QuantFocus : it's working out so far
[2016-11-02 02:56:49] Apocalyptic : QuantFocus: seems like a solid plan
[2016-11-02 02:57:21] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: thanks man. china had a positive econ report come out yesterday too
[2016-11-02 02:57:36] QuantFocus : improvement in multiple sectors. retail and manufac.
[2016-11-02 03:12:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.345000
[2016-11-02 03:14:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 7 @ 0.327240
[2016-11-02 03:15:57] sally : today all the zec longs pop
[2016-11-02 03:39:13] imabeast : womp womppp
[2016-11-02 03:39:37] sally : my question for the mod: Who can see my hidden sell orders?
[2016-11-02 03:40:00] QuantFocus : all the bots
[2016-11-02 03:40:08] sally : QuantFocus: really?
[2016-11-02 03:40:13] QuantFocus : no
[2016-11-02 03:40:31] QuantFocus : sorry, i don't really know. presumably no one can see them except you
[2016-11-02 03:40:36] sally : because sometimes I put hidden sells and some dog front runs them
[2016-11-02 03:41:01] sally : so I want to know who can see them
[2016-11-02 03:41:38] miramm1115 : sally: noone, just make sure Display Qty is 0
[2016-11-02 03:47:50] holistico : Hi, if you short now can you take profit from the funding?
[2016-11-02 03:48:06] QuantFocus : yep
[2016-11-02 03:48:30] holistico : ok ty :)
[2016-11-02 03:48:57] fml : Coup happening in the cia and fbi against corrupt clintons
[2016-11-02 03:49:08] Apocalyptic : bullish for btc obviously
[2016-11-02 03:51:00] public username 321 : zec bulls getting slaughtered
[2016-11-02 03:53:05] javierstone : @fml seriously wtf is going
[2016-11-02 03:53:22] javierstone : fml: this shit is bonkers
[2016-11-02 03:53:24] fml : Google
[2016-11-02 03:53:37] fml : Clintons corrupt as fuck bill is a pedophile
[2016-11-02 03:53:43] fml : Known ties to pedophiles
[2016-11-02 03:53:47] javierstone : fml: just read about it
[2016-11-02 03:54:08] javierstone : bernie 4 ever
[2016-11-02 03:54:17] fml : If hilary is elected were fucked
[2016-11-02 03:54:33] javierstone : basically on nov 8th, either way we're fucked
[2016-11-02 03:54:35] fml : She handed over uranium mines in the usa to putin when she was sec of stae
[2016-11-02 03:54:47] fml : And then says trump has ties with russia LOL
[2016-11-02 03:54:58] QuantFocus : we don't have these problems in NZ
[2016-11-02 03:55:02] fml : Gently careseed i meant corrupt as fuck lol
[2016-11-02 03:55:13] fml : Autocorrect.fml
[2016-11-02 03:56:00] QuantFocus : we just have people throwing dildos at our PM
[2016-11-02 04:05:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.302875
[2016-11-02 04:06:53] billyboy402 : where does bitmex get there lending rate from for LISK , it doesnt look like polinex has Lisk for margin
[2016-11-02 04:12:34] javierstone : such a boring night
[2016-11-02 04:14:13] QuantFocus : ikr
[2016-11-02 04:25:38] uncleyao : 这垃圾网站借贷利率怎么高？
[2016-11-02 04:26:08] uncleyao : 扣了我0.0253btc
[2016-11-02 04:27:28] chromaticcr1 : uncleyao: 你的钱给了空军了（就是我）
[2016-11-02 04:28:05] uncleyao : 日利息将近百分之一 @chromaticcr1
[2016-11-02 04:28:09] chromaticcr1 : 资金费率就是根据市场利率和溢价厘定的，比如说溢价率是 0.3%，那么资金费率就是 0.25%
[2016-11-02 04:28:40] chromaticcr1 : 如果溢价率与市场资金费率（finex的）相差小于0.05%，那么就根据finex的费率
[2016-11-02 04:29:40] uncleyao : 每天百分之一高利贷 @chromaticcr1
[2016-11-02 04:29:54] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 由于比特币大涨，目前大幅溢价，因此资金费率较高。资金费用是多仓付给空仓，并非BitMEX收取。
[2016-11-02 04:31:12] uncleyao : 竟然是借款金额的百分之一 本金的百分之五左右
[2016-11-02 04:31:25] uncleyao : 这还是日利息。。。
[2016-11-02 04:31:28] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 如果你不想有资金费用，那么可以交易`XBTZ16`,它是期货合约，无funding。
[2016-11-02 04:32:03] uncleyao : 买之前没有仔细读
[2016-11-02 04:32:06] uncleyao : 被坑了。
[2016-11-02 04:32:20] uncleyao : 月息那就是百分之30了。
[2016-11-02 04:32:27] uncleyao : 比高利贷还可怕。
[2016-11-02 04:32:51] uncleyao : 本金20天就被消化干净
[2016-11-02 04:33:18] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 你可以空仓，赚资金费率。
[2016-11-02 04:33:28] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 如果你觉得高的话。
[2016-11-02 04:33:37] chromaticcr1 : 資金費率就是讓掉期合約多空平衡，維持溢價在市場價格附近，比如說我看到這個利率就在這邊做空然後去現貨做多套了個小利。利率添上溢價大概都有0.7%
[2016-11-02 04:35:17] uncleyao : 是开空仓有资金率赚 @BitMEX_Jinming ？
[2016-11-02 04:35:33] uncleyao : 妥妥的被这个网站搞晕了。。。
[2016-11-02 04:36:00] uncleyao : 自动平你仓就算了，还加那么高的利息。。
[2016-11-02 04:36:04] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 是的，因为资金费率是多仓付给空仓的。
[2016-11-02 04:36:19] uncleyao : 这个不就是力保空头？
[2016-11-02 04:36:56] nope : BitMEX_Jinming: can we please get a separate Chinese only trollbox so you ladies can gossip without clogging this up for the rest of us?
[2016-11-02 04:37:25] uncleyao : 多空其实是一条线上的啊，而且我做的是ltc根本没波动，为什么要加收那么高的利息。
[2016-11-02 04:37:51] BitMEX_Jinming : nope: we are looking at opening a Chinese separate trollbox
[2016-11-02 04:37:59] bbking : 谁说资金费率是多仓付给空仓啊，现在溢价才是而已
[2016-11-02 04:38:44] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 如果资金费率是负数，就是空仓付给多仓
[2016-11-02 04:38:52] bbking : 因为没有交割，所以要资金费率来导航，不至于偏离太大
[2016-11-02 04:39:02] nope : BitMEX_Jinming: thank you, much appreciated
[2016-11-02 04:39:10] uncleyao : 那zec我做多的话，你们空头要付给我了波？
[2016-11-02 04:39:22] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 对
[2016-11-02 04:39:24] uncleyao : 已经严重负溢价了。
[2016-11-02 04:39:26] bbking : BitMEX_Jinming: 你是官方的吗？
[2016-11-02 04:39:51] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: zec是期货，有交割，没有资金费率。
[2016-11-02 04:40:18] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 所有用户名是BitMEX开头并且有图标的都是官方的
[2016-11-02 04:40:44] bbking : BitMEX_Jinming: 这网站是中国人弄的吗
[2016-11-02 04:41:14] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 不是，你可以看`https://www.bitmex.com/app/aboutUs`
[2016-11-02 04:41:18] uncleyao : 那ltcxbt不是期货？
[2016-11-02 04:41:47] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 对，LTCXBT是掉期合约，所以有资金费率。
[2016-11-02 04:42:18] bbking : BitMEX_Jinming: 你们在哪里办公？
[2016-11-02 04:42:20] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 不过，对于山寨币的掉期合约，我们本周会终止并挂牌相应的期货合约。
[2016-11-02 04:42:54] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 我们主要在香港和美国
[2016-11-02 04:43:17] uncleyao : 复杂。。。
[2016-11-02 04:43:21] uncleyao : 那我本金不足就要从委托金里扣这个钱罗？
[2016-11-02 04:43:49] uncleyao : 这么多规则那就可以利用这个规则来回收割。
[2016-11-02 04:44:01] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 资金费用会从该仓位的保证金中扣除或增加。
[2016-11-02 04:44:47] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 对，目前的掉期合约规则稍许复杂。最好详细阅读文档。
[2016-11-02 04:44:48] bbking : uncleyao: 这个恰恰是为了不让庄家容易操控价格
[2016-11-02 04:46:03] bbking : BitMEX_Jinming: 你们网站速度慢的吓人
[2016-11-02 04:46:09] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: bbking说的对，主要原因是掉期合约没有交割，因此必须有资金费用的交换来保证价格与现货接近。
[2016-11-02 04:46:33] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 我也注意到了，我去检查一下。应该不会这么慢的。
[2016-11-02 04:46:48] bbking : 就算这里回复一句，也要等几秒才能看到
[2016-11-02 04:46:52] bbking : 下单也是
[2016-11-02 04:47:51] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 我们会尽快恢复速度。
[2016-11-02 04:50:04] BitMEX_Jinming : @bbking @uncleyao 可以加入我们的微信群，里面主要是中国的用户。
[2016-11-02 04:51:07] uncleyao : 好啊。
[2016-11-02 04:51:10] ss : 好像也没几个老外在炒啊
[2016-11-02 04:51:15] uncleyao : 多少？
[2016-11-02 04:52:30] ss : 怎么交易量几乎没有了
[2016-11-02 04:54:15] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 你的微信号是多少，我加你进去。
[2016-11-02 04:54:39] uncleyao : BitMEX_Jinming: 175094362
[2016-11-02 05:00:39] uncleyao : 我想了个来回收割的办法，比如我做多，价格涨到我有一定利润了，我不平，然后我花少量资金维持负溢价，这样空头就要给我钱了，而且他们的开空点位变低。
[2016-11-02 05:04:07] uncleyao : 维持个三四天，空头都要割肉，那么高的利息。
[2016-11-02 05:20:36] Jason G : 没波动啊= =
[2016-11-02 05:26:56] chromaticcr1 : 可能BitMEX伺服器在外国吧，我这边香港一秒内就看到信息了
[2016-11-02 05:28:49] chromaticcr1 : 话说昨晚还有今天下午拿着50000空仓收了0.5B，谢谢各位多军了 ;)
[2016-11-02 05:31:30] drag : shit
[2016-11-02 05:34:31] martinium : Fückin hell
[2016-11-02 05:34:43] martinium : hahaha got past the gently caress
[2016-11-02 05:34:53] martinium : fuck
[2016-11-02 05:34:58] martinium : hahahaha
[2016-11-02 05:50:31] laisee : Fekt!
[2016-11-02 06:03:12] Jason G : zec什么情况？
[2016-11-02 06:04:18] Jason G : 两个小时没波动了
[2016-11-02 06:04:49] jeeburns : this "mark price" is bs. have a decent order and just starts inching my order towards margin call when the price isn't even moving, idk who's great idea that was but gonna be the reason I stop using this exchange soon if it actually triggers a margin call when the actual price is like $5 or more from the mark price.
[2016-11-02 06:10:10] imabeast : why tf does my liquidation price keep changing?.....
[2016-11-02 06:10:32] BitMEX_Jinming : Jason G: ZECZ16是用最新成交价格标记，最近2小时没有交易，因此无波动。
[2016-11-02 06:14:21] jeeburns : exactly! imabeast, it's complete bs. creeping towards margin call when i'm a dollar away from market price, fuck that.
[2016-11-02 06:14:39] jeeburns : lmaooo i said f that, gently caress works ha
[2016-11-02 06:16:59] imabeast : it doesnt make sense... When i put in my order my liquidation price was 121.... why did it all of the sudden change to 124? If my liquidation was going to be 124 i wouldnt have even put in the order!
[2016-11-02 06:17:24] imabeast : so gently caressing dumb
[2016-11-02 06:18:17] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: the estimated liquidation price in the order submit confirmation window has some issue. We will fix it soon.
[2016-11-02 06:18:45] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: Once you enter the position, the liquidation price is accurate.
[2016-11-02 06:19:19] imabeast : then why did it liquidate me at 124?
[2016-11-02 06:20:06] jeeburns : It's too complicated is the prob, just keep it simple. None of this moving mark price as well as the actual price, but that doesn't matter cuz if the mark price hits your liq. price then your f'd.
[2016-11-02 06:20:08] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: Can you send a screenshot to support@bitmex.com, we will look at it.
[2016-11-02 06:21:00] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: if you are talking about `XBTUSD` the swap contract, `Mark Price=Index Price * (1 + Funding Basis)`
[2016-11-02 06:21:02] imabeast : well im already liquidated out of the position and didnt screen shot it.. can you calculate it? i went in with around 1btc at 730 at 50x... my liquidation price when i put in the order was 121
[2016-11-02 06:21:37] imabeast : my quantity was 800
[2016-11-02 06:21:53] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: You should get an email notification with all the details.
[2016-11-02 06:22:04] jeeburns : BitMEX_Jinming: is there another way to just simply margin trade btc? not wure what perpetual swap is, just noticed it even said that.
[2016-11-02 06:22:12] jeeburns : sure*
[2016-11-02 06:23:15] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: i replied to the email that said i was liquidated
[2016-11-02 06:23:18] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: We only offer derivatives, not spot margin trading.
[2016-11-02 06:23:35] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: Ok, we will look at it and reply you soon.
[2016-11-02 06:23:44] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: thanks
[2016-11-02 06:24:27] BitMEX_Jinming : jee burns: besides swap, we also have futures `XBTZ16`
[2016-11-02 06:24:47] jeeburns : what is that then?
[2016-11-02 06:24:54] jeeburns : where can i find it?
[2016-11-02 06:25:50] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: okay thanks... i mean, i didnt lose much.. but still, something is wrong
[2016-11-02 06:26:09] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: It is a future contract which expires on Dec 30, under `Bictoin XBT`, next to `Perpetual Swap`
[2016-11-02 06:27:06] jeeburns : BitMEX_Jinming: ok i just noticed that. So do i have to pay the fee for keeping an order open then? What is the difference between the perpetual swap and the dec 30 one, in simplest terms possible :) still getting this down.
[2016-11-02 06:27:11] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: Yes, we are aware of the wrong estimated liquidation price in the order submission window, we will fix it soon.
[2016-11-02 06:27:42] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: will you be able to reposition me in my order/or refund?
[2016-11-02 06:28:14] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: We will reply you in email.
[2016-11-02 06:28:20] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: okay
[2016-11-02 06:29:15] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: you can take a look at `https://www.bitmex.com/app/futuresGuide` and `https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide`
[2016-11-02 06:30:39] jeeburns : so when it says 100x does that mean that is the only option? Or just that it is available
[2016-11-02 06:32:30] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: This is the highest leverage you can use to open a position. You can select smaller leverage by moving the leverage sliding bar. Or you can select `cross` meaning using your whole account balance as margin.
[2016-11-02 06:32:42] BitMEX_Sunny : yah there is another to jeeburns. you can your leverage on the left hand side based on different products and different risk limits you take.
[2016-11-02 06:33:05] public username 321 : zec on the move.
[2016-11-02 06:33:26] jeeburns : So if I click the Dec 30 (100x) one right now, can I switch when a trade is open?
[2016-11-02 06:34:00] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: yes you can change it.
[2016-11-02 06:34:11] BitMEX_Sunny : once you earn ur leverage will be less.
[2016-11-02 06:35:15] jeeburns : BitMEX_Jinming: ok so i changed it, is my liq. price supposed to stay the same? even though the market prices have changed?
[2016-11-02 06:36:36] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: if you change the leverage of your existing position, the liquidation price will change too.
[2016-11-02 06:37:56] jeeburns : BitMEX_Jinming: ok it is initially set to "cross" when i enetered into the xbtz16 market, then I clicked 50x and my liq. price didn't change.
[2016-11-02 06:40:54] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: the estimated liq price in the order submission window has some problem.
[2016-11-02 06:41:33] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: We will fix it soon.
[2016-11-02 06:41:36] jeeburns : oh, ok, yea it it didn't change when i switched over to the other market
[2016-11-02 06:55:11] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: well support was no help
[2016-11-02 06:55:15] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: welp
[2016-11-02 06:56:03] imabeast : and now btc is about to move up
[2016-11-02 06:56:04] imabeast : smh
[2016-11-02 07:08:07] CapitalGains : BitMEX_Jinming: I have a question - I'm using only 1x leverage on ZEC and I just market bought (so the last price is my price), and yet all five adl lights are on - why would this be? Surely I'm neither highly profitable nor highly leveraged on this trade?
[2016-11-02 07:09:50] BitMEX_Jinming : CapitalGains: that means most of the longs are using 1x and they probably have loss.
[2016-11-02 07:10:55] CapitalGains : Makes sense. Thanks. But I would only be ADLed if the price were to move up, right?
[2016-11-02 07:11:36] BitMEX_Jinming : CapitalGains: Correct, for long, only if price up and there is short liquidation orders can't be filled in the market.
[2016-11-02 07:12:34] CapitalGains : Thanks for explaining/confirming.
[2016-11-02 07:12:46] BitMEX_Jinming : You are welcome :)
[2016-11-02 07:18:10] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: good news for you
[2016-11-02 07:18:23] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: do a small pump on price and make short adl
[2016-11-02 07:18:32] arbitrage001 : then buy back at cheaper price
[2016-11-02 07:18:55] arbitrage001 : tips will be appreciated
[2016-11-02 07:19:04] CapitalGains : :D
[2016-11-02 07:35:58] wurstgelee : thank you
[2016-11-02 07:36:10] wurstgelee : A couple of longs got filled
[2016-11-02 07:36:12] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-02 07:36:20] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: what price?
[2016-11-02 07:36:40] arbitrage001 : balless to add more position
[2016-11-02 07:36:49] arbitrage001 : wish i have 3 nuts
[2016-11-02 07:36:54] wurstgelee : all the way down from. 4 to .3
[2016-11-02 07:36:58] wurstgelee : .4
[2016-11-02 07:37:24] arbitrage001 : i am adding more bid order below 0.2
[2016-11-02 07:37:26] arbitrage001 : just in case
[2016-11-02 07:37:43] wurstgelee : Yes ofc. all set down there too
[2016-11-02 07:37:45] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:38:14] wurstgelee : double on the half etc
[2016-11-02 07:38:35] wurstgelee : not exactly double but you get my point ;)
[2016-11-02 07:39:29] CapitalGains : Where do you think we're going to find enough shorters brave enough to push us down so low?
[2016-11-02 07:39:36] arbitrage001 : i trading zec based solely on intuition and not logic
[2016-11-02 07:39:42] arbitrage001 : or exp
[2016-11-02 07:39:43] wurstgelee : no clue.
[2016-11-02 07:39:50] wurstgelee : humans do dumb things
[2016-11-02 07:39:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:39:57] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-11-02 07:40:07] arbitrage001 : but long could be the dumb one
[2016-11-02 07:40:12] wurstgelee : no
[2016-11-02 07:40:14] CapitalGains : Yes, but I think all the early ZEC shorters are broke, so we need new ones.
[2016-11-02 07:40:14] arbitrage001 : only time will tell
[2016-11-02 07:40:15] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-02 07:40:59] wurstgelee : not putting more than ~ 20% of my zec profits on the plate again
[2016-11-02 07:41:08] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:41:23] wurstgelee : so..risk is limited
[2016-11-02 07:41:41] arbitrage001 : if i were you, i will go 80% of taken profit
[2016-11-02 07:41:48] wurstgelee : lol no
[2016-11-02 07:41:50] arbitrage001 : hard to see oppurtunity like this often
[2016-11-02 07:42:25] wurstgelee : i like a gamble but thats 2 much
[2016-11-02 07:42:28] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:43:01] rapidtrades : this shitcoin shall rise again
[2016-11-02 07:43:01] wurstgelee : i might add more as we get closer to dec 30 tho
[2016-11-02 07:43:02] arbitrage001 : you already won even if you lose later
[2016-11-02 07:43:20] wurstgelee : yes. but i like by win to be guaranteed 80%
[2016-11-02 07:43:28] arbitrage001 : see, as we approach expire,
[2016-11-02 07:43:31] wurstgelee : no matter how hard i fuck up now
[2016-11-02 07:43:34] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-02 07:43:35] arbitrage001 : oppurtunity will fade
[2016-11-02 07:43:57] arbitrage001 : hard to conceived people shorting at huge discount 1 month before expiration
[2016-11-02 07:43:57] wurstgelee : but it will get more predictable
[2016-11-02 07:44:10] wurstgelee : as time closes in
[2016-11-02 07:44:16] CapitalGains : I'm also only risking about 30% of my profit... hopefully less if things continue to go well (or if we get ZEC futures with decimals).
[2016-11-02 07:44:55] wurstgelee : i hope i get adl soon anyways
[2016-11-02 07:45:03] arbitrage001 : same here
[2016-11-02 07:45:04] wurstgelee : so we can repeat once again
[2016-11-02 07:45:06] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-11-02 07:45:28] CapitalGains : I like the idea of quitting while ahead, but I think there's still going to be a sizeable window of opportunity to be utilised
[2016-11-02 07:45:38] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-02 07:46:02] wurstgelee : suply is small for quite a while. so volatility will be high
[2016-11-02 07:46:06] wurstgelee : *p
[2016-11-02 07:46:11] wurstgelee : enough opps
[2016-11-02 07:46:49] arbitrage001 : think whale will manipulate polo price on expire date?
[2016-11-02 07:47:00] CapitalGains : I also feel like with the long support at 0.3 and below here, the risk reward is high enough to be worthwhile... I mean just compare the likelihood of 0.45 as opposed to 0.15
[2016-11-02 07:47:17] arbitrage001 : outstanding contract here still not price manipulation
[2016-11-02 07:47:23] arbitrage001 : not worth
[2016-11-02 07:48:06] CapitalGains : Also, while it takes about 20-50 BTC to manipulate ZEC on Polo now, that won't be the case towards the end of Dec I don't think
[2016-11-02 07:48:27] wurstgelee : Some have deeper pockets than that
[2016-11-02 07:48:30] wurstgelee : way deeper
[2016-11-02 07:48:33] wurstgelee : On polo
[2016-11-02 07:48:35] arbitrage001 : yeah
[2016-11-02 07:48:44] arbitrage001 : wish i am big fish
[2016-11-02 07:49:23] wurstgelee : it can pull 100k btc volume nowadays
[2016-11-02 07:49:25] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:49:32] wurstgelee : on one coin
[2016-11-02 07:49:50] wurstgelee : if u want that
[2016-11-02 07:49:59] wurstgelee : With 300 k supplx
[2016-11-02 07:50:02] CapitalGains : Polo is quite the phenomenon
[2016-11-02 07:50:14] wurstgelee : No way this can happen at .1 ....
[2016-11-02 07:50:38] wurstgelee : u need a higher polo cap (coins on polo x price)
[2016-11-02 07:51:31] CapitalGains : Are you saying that since Polo is where the price is largely determined, and there won't be all that many ZEC on Polo by Dec 30, the price will have to be above 0.1?
[2016-11-02 07:53:22] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: anything can happen
[2016-11-02 07:53:25] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-02 07:53:31] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: that
[2016-11-02 07:53:33] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:53:37] CapitalGains : Yes of course
[2016-11-02 07:53:38] arbitrage001 : could be 0.05 like someone here claimed
[2016-11-02 07:53:47] CapitalGains : But am I understanding what you said more or less?
[2016-11-02 07:53:53] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: yes
[2016-11-02 07:53:58] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-02 07:54:25] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: since you are long,
[2016-11-02 07:54:40] arbitrage001 : are you going to buy a bit and help pump a bit on pollo exp date?
[2016-11-02 07:55:26] wurstgelee : depends. only if i am convinced its a bux ;)
[2016-11-02 07:55:58] wurstgelee : not gonna buy with some obscure hope of playing a role in some imaginary pump start
[2016-11-02 07:56:36] CapitalGains : Mod: Is there any plan to have ZEC futures beyond Dec?
[2016-11-02 07:56:38] arbitrage001 : shallow market can probably work
[2016-11-02 07:56:51] arbitrage001 : small whale make it worthwhile
[2016-11-02 07:57:01] arbitrage001 : since people here selling this low
[2016-11-02 07:57:02] wurstgelee : yep :)
[2016-11-02 07:57:26] wurstgelee : With still havent had 24h marking notice
[2016-11-02 07:57:36] wurstgelee : plenty of times.to fuck with shorts here
[2016-11-02 07:57:50] wurstgelee : *.s
[2016-11-02 07:58:00] arbitrage001 : still
[2016-11-02 07:58:09] arbitrage001 : i dont think inexperience traders will short
[2016-11-02 07:58:22] arbitrage001 : unless he is really dumb
[2016-11-02 07:58:58] wurstgelee : some will
[2016-11-02 07:59:02] arbitrage001 : or have more information than i do
[2016-11-02 07:59:05] CapitalGains : Wow, check out all the hidden orders under 0.4
[2016-11-02 07:59:16] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: yes. Its stacked down there
[2016-11-02 07:59:34] wurstgelee : for a reason
[2016-11-02 07:59:54] wurstgelee : I doubt that those orders are "inexperiences traders's hidden orders"
[2016-11-02 07:59:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 08:00:17] wurstgelee : *typos. fucking tiny mobile keyboards
[2016-11-02 08:00:35] CapitalGains : Mobile keyboard typos are always forgiven
[2016-11-02 08:02:15] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: If I may ask, do you have a target price to close your longs, or is that target price ADL?
[2016-11-02 08:02:36] wurstgelee : adl tbh
[2016-11-02 08:02:57] wurstgelee : as target. Or whatever seems right at the time
[2016-11-02 08:03:03] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 08:03:25] arbitrage001 : adl price is most likely above 1 btc now
[2016-11-02 08:03:39] arbitrage001 : weak hand should be gone by now
[2016-11-02 08:03:43] wurstgelee : BitMEX - where getting force-closed is fun!
[2016-11-02 08:03:46] arbitrage001 : after 3-4 days
[2016-11-02 08:03:49] wurstgelee : probably
[2016-11-02 08:04:24] CapitalGains : I find it very hard not to close at 0.5 because I'd always prefer 0.5 BTC to 1 ZEC
[2016-11-02 08:04:44] wurstgelee : Yep
[2016-11-02 08:05:07] wurstgelee : also feels weird to buy 1 btc of hashes to mine less than 1 zec
[2016-11-02 08:05:08] arbitrage001 : i am hoping for 2=3 btc
[2016-11-02 08:05:32] CapitalGains : You still mining on nicehash?
[2016-11-02 08:05:34] rapidtrades : guys support ZEC and it will suppot u too
[2016-11-02 08:05:40] rapidtrades : said the Lord
[2016-11-02 08:05:47] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: hah
[2016-11-02 08:05:51] arbitrage001 : morning, btw
[2016-11-02 08:06:07] CapitalGains : Well said and I agree - please, everyone, market buy and I'll be with you in spirit.
[2016-11-02 08:06:09] laisee : Cos u gotta have faith ...
[2016-11-02 08:06:13] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: no. made a probe yesterday, not proftable, small loss
[2016-11-02 08:06:14] wurstgelee : we retest today
[2016-11-02 08:06:47] wurstgelee : *we=will
[2016-11-02 08:07:09] CapitalGains : Thanks for the heads up - I was thinking about it yesterday, but I think the window of opportunity might have passed
[2016-11-02 08:07:54] wurstgelee : most likely
[2016-11-02 08:08:08] arbitrage001 : what opportunity? mining?
[2016-11-02 08:08:14] arbitrage001 : or buying here?
[2016-11-02 08:09:05] CapitalGains : I was thinking of mining ZEC on nicehash
[2016-11-02 08:09:14] CapitalGains : But I doubt it's still profitable (or as profitable)
[2016-11-02 08:09:14] micmix : you need 50.26 BTC to push zec above 0.8, half with 2x margin (assuming no hidden orders)
[2016-11-02 08:09:36] arbitrage001 : micmix: that is a fairly low figure
[2016-11-02 08:09:56] wurstgelee : *assumed no hidden orders
[2016-11-02 08:09:59] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 08:10:15] micmix : and only 33.41 to push it down to 0
[2016-11-02 08:10:21] micmix : sorry, 0.16
[2016-11-02 08:10:27] laisee : Lets all buy and get rich ??
[2016-11-02 08:10:32] rapidtrades : i think once a whale clears the orderbook here once or twice bitmex will reconsider their deciison to mark to last
[2016-11-02 08:10:33] wurstgelee : which doesnz mc anyone who isnt an idiot
[2016-11-02 08:10:45] wurstgelee : (aka 2x lev)
[2016-11-02 08:10:47] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 08:11:27] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: marking has no bearing on future price
[2016-11-02 08:11:27] micmix : 48.63 btc to push to zero ;-)
[2016-11-02 08:11:37] laisee : Rapid: do it, now
[2016-11-02 08:12:03] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: ofc it does
[2016-11-02 08:12:47] rapidtrades : it would make the moves comparable to bitmex and stop the margin cascading issue
[2016-11-02 08:12:56] rapidtrades : to polo i mean
[2016-11-02 08:13:40] rapidtrades : even at 400% basis..if polo doubles we double...it may not be to the same price but it will be around 100% as shorts margin is squeezed
[2016-11-02 08:13:55] arbitrage001 : doesnt work that way
[2016-11-02 08:14:12] rapidtrades : ofc it does
[2016-11-02 08:14:23] arbitrage001 : my trading decision dont work that way
[2016-11-02 08:14:41] micmix : so tell me, who just sold all their bitcoins to buy zcash?
[2016-11-02 08:14:57] micmix : we dropped $10 in one minute
[2016-11-02 08:15:07] rapidtrades : nice
[2016-11-02 08:15:12] wurstgelee : btc struggeling
[2016-11-02 08:15:17] rapidtrades : goooo One True Coin!
[2016-11-02 08:15:19] rapidtrades : OTC
[2016-11-02 08:16:00] arbitrage001 : micmix: funding is too high, probably someone want to not pay
[2016-11-02 08:16:17] rapidtrades : think he's looking wrong, mark only dropped $3
[2016-11-02 08:16:22] micmix : nah, it was okc dump
[2016-11-02 08:16:30] micmix : looking at spot
[2016-11-02 08:16:33] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-11-02 08:16:41] rapidtrades : okc spot is fairly volatile
[2016-11-02 08:16:44] arbitrage001 : you need to buy bitcoin to buy zcash
[2016-11-02 08:17:08] arbitrage001 : maybe that is why btc going up last week
[2016-11-02 08:18:15] CapitalGains : So I thought of a (joke) theory: the BTC rally is just an exit pump for ZEC
[2016-11-02 08:18:45] rapidtrades : haha!
[2016-11-02 08:18:49] micmix : xbtz16 premium dropped $10, guess the rally is over
[2016-11-02 08:18:59] micmix : *for now
[2016-11-02 08:19:17] rapidtrades : micmix no offense but noone cares about bitcoin's 1% moves
[2016-11-02 08:19:47] micmix : I do, it's the only market with enough liquidity to make any decent money
[2016-11-02 08:19:52] CapitalGains : Actually many thousands of traders care a good deal
[2016-11-02 08:20:07] CapitalGains : 1% on 100x leverage is 100%
[2016-11-02 08:20:09] rapidtrades : micmix: fair point
[2016-11-02 08:20:21] arbitrage001 : micmix: you are an MM here?
[2016-11-02 08:20:55] bbking : 平仓不能部分吗？
[2016-11-02 08:21:05] micmix : yep, but not the main MM
[2016-11-02 08:21:07] bbking : 一定要全平?
[2016-11-02 08:21:56] rapidtrades : he;s laying, he's the main MM
[2016-11-02 08:22:04] rapidtrades : send all ur complaints to @mixmic
[2016-11-02 08:22:25] CapitalGains : Guys, don't you love the 0.1 spread on this market?
[2016-11-02 08:22:50] rapidtrades : on ZEC?
[2016-11-02 08:23:10] CapitalGains : Yes ZEC
[2016-11-02 08:23:23] rapidtrades : yeah it pretty bad
[2016-11-02 08:23:37] CapitalGains : Except, of course, you can't market buy or sell without losing out big time
[2016-11-02 08:23:47] rapidtrades : it's very inelastic so not surprised
[2016-11-02 08:24:17] wurstgelee : i am betting on a zec polo pump
[2016-11-02 08:24:19] wurstgelee : gonna mine some
[2016-11-02 08:24:23] RoftheN : If only they used smaller quantitites than 1
[2016-11-02 08:24:39] rapidtrades : i'd wait for 2 to fall first @wurstgelee
[2016-11-02 08:24:51] RoftheN : I'll buy some on Poloniex and hope it doubles
[2016-11-02 08:24:56] rapidtrades : now it's still in noman's land
[2016-11-02 08:24:56] wurstgelee : 2 to fall?
[2016-11-02 08:24:58] wurstgelee : its 1.5
[2016-11-02 08:25:09] micmix : RoftheN: it's for whales only, protects smaller traders from losing everything
[2016-11-02 08:25:16] rapidtrades : yeah if we break 2 likely gonna retest 3-3.5
[2016-11-02 08:25:21] wurstgelee : also adding more hashes as we go down (hases get cheaper)
[2016-11-02 08:25:24] BitMEX_Jack : bbking: 可以部分平，放部分的限价单或市价单就行
[2016-11-02 08:25:28] wurstgelee : *h
[2016-11-02 08:25:35] BitMEX_Jack : bbking: 要自己放
[2016-11-02 08:25:50] rapidtrades : who's this guy ^
[2016-11-02 08:25:57] RoftheN : Lol
[2016-11-02 08:26:36] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: wish trading is that easy
[2016-11-02 08:26:36] wurstgelee : got 50kSol/s running now. ;)
[2016-11-02 08:26:49] rapidtrades : gl :)
[2016-11-02 08:27:08] rapidtrades : at least ur supporting the network
[2016-11-02 08:27:51] bbking : 平仓哪里有填数量啊？
[2016-11-02 08:28:21] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: yep. makes mining more expensive for others ;)
[2016-11-02 08:28:52] wurstgelee : pumping the diff like a pro
[2016-11-02 08:32:24] chromaticcr1 : bbking: 你开仓的位置，比如说你做多100张，然后点做多。平仓的话就输入比如说50张（平半仓），然后点 卖出/做空。
[2016-11-02 08:33:12] chromaticcr1 : 就是持有多仓就做空平仓，持有空仓的就做多平仓，逻辑类似于现货杠杆交易
[2016-11-02 08:34:03] bbking : 哦，为什么不是叫平仓
[2016-11-02 08:34:27] bbking : 只看到仓位那里有平仓按钮
[2016-11-02 08:36:16] rapidtrades : are they actually chatting or just f*cking with us ^
[2016-11-02 08:36:39] rapidtrades : @~:*|$"+_
[2016-11-02 08:37:05] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: use google translator
[2016-11-02 08:37:10] bbking : f*** u
[2016-11-02 08:37:12] chromaticcr1 : bbking: 这个我也不知道，可能是这边仓位是净值，比如持有100张多仓，到点反手做空的话，输入200张然后做空，就会拿着 100 张空仓
[2016-11-02 08:37:18] chromaticcr1 : bbking: 哈哈
[2016-11-02 08:37:35] chromaticcr1 : rapidtrades: yeah we are just Fkin w/ you :P
[2016-11-02 08:38:15] rapidtrades : yeah thought so
[2016-11-02 08:38:20] chromaticcr1 : 在这边玩了一年多都习惯了～
[2016-11-02 08:38:40] bbking : 一年多。。。。
[2016-11-02 08:38:44] bbking : 这平台上线多久啊
[2016-11-02 08:39:14] chromaticcr1 : 14年11月
[2016-11-02 08:39:28] bbking : 玩一年多，还没亏完
[2016-11-02 08:39:30] bbking : 厉害啊
[2016-11-02 08:39:35] chromaticcr1 : -_-
[2016-11-02 08:39:50] chromaticcr1 : .。。。-_-
[2016-11-02 08:40:13] chromaticcr1 : 哥是老韭菜啊
[2016-11-02 08:40:22] bbking : 有没有在OK玩
[2016-11-02 08:40:27] chromaticcr1 : 走了很久
[2016-11-02 08:40:29] laisee : Insider trading
[2016-11-02 08:40:49] chromaticcr1 : ok我起码亏了30B，死多死到200刀的
[2016-11-02 08:41:04] CapitalGains : I think with crypto insider trading is the whole idea?
[2016-11-02 08:41:16] bbking : 这里比OK好在哪？
[2016-11-02 08:41:22] chromaticcr1 : 我是11年末进场的
[2016-11-02 08:41:22] bbking : 波动比较小，不容易爆仓？
[2016-11-02 08:41:38] wurstgelee : ICH HÄTTE GERNE EINE BREZEL BITTE
[2016-11-02 08:41:45] bbking : 我新来的
[2016-11-02 08:41:54] bbking : 11年进场，你赚发了吧
[2016-11-02 08:42:01] CapitalGains : ICH AUCH
[2016-11-02 08:42:16] chromaticcr1 : bbking: 这边爆仓少亏一点，ok爆了亏2%，这边亏0.5% （就是维持保证金那个）
[2016-11-02 08:42:19] BitMEX_Jack : bbking: 我的意思是，不要按右下角的平仓按纽，尝试一下自己下委托来平仓，像开仓一样，这样会比较好控制一点
[2016-11-02 08:42:20] wurstgelee : SEHR GERNE! DARFS SONST NOCH ETWAS SEIN?
[2016-11-02 08:42:30] laisee : Ich bin eine bitcoiner
[2016-11-02 08:42:37] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 08:42:39] chromaticcr1 : BANG DING OW
[2016-11-02 08:42:44] chromaticcr1 : HO LEE FUK
[2016-11-02 08:43:10] rapidtrades : RAMMSTEIN
[2016-11-02 08:43:25] bbking : BitMEX_Jack: 那样不会有多空两个仓位吗？
[2016-11-02 08:43:51] chromaticcr1 : bbking: 而且有XBTUSD那个永续掉期合约，不用烦交割那些。
[2016-11-02 08:43:53] laisee : emoticons pls ✅?✅?????
[2016-11-02 08:43:55] CapitalGains : GIBT ES HIER ZEC KÄUFER?
[2016-11-02 08:44:13] chromaticcr1 : 恩，一个合约只可以持有单边的仓位，因为仓位是净值的
[2016-11-02 08:45:19] chromaticcr1 : 就是刚才那个反手开空的例子
[2016-11-02 08:45:33] rapidtrades : i don't get how ppl read that ^^^ there's no spaces or anything
[2016-11-02 08:45:35] bbking : 比如我做多200张，然后做空100张，结果是我持100张多仓？ 做空的100张相当于平多？
[2016-11-02 08:45:42] rapidtrades : how do u know where words end
[2016-11-02 08:45:45] BitMEX_Jack : 倉位是淨值的，所以如果你多了，你空一張就只是平了一張的倉
[2016-11-02 08:46:02] chromaticcr1 : 嗯嗯～
[2016-11-02 08:46:06] laisee : No words - there are
[2016-11-02 08:46:52] bbking : ok 明白
[2016-11-02 08:47:01] BitMEX_Jack : bbking: 是的，如果多200張，然後做空100張，你就只剩下100張多
[2016-11-02 08:47:55] bbking : BitMEX_Jack: 为什么你们用繁体字，说普通话
[2016-11-02 08:48:42] BitMEX_Jack : 而做空的那100张，你还可以分10次，每次10张的放，就可以分十个不同的价格逐步平仓了
[2016-11-02 08:49:36] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: Most words are one to two characters. Once you've memorised the characters, it's almost easier than reading an alphabet.