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[2016-11-02 01:09:58] AudibleScience : javierstone: 0.075% if you do it as a taker
[2016-11-02 01:10:10] Apocalyptic : EURUSD looks like it wants to take a dive
[2016-11-02 01:10:30] javierstone : what does it mean "as a taker" @AudibleScience
[2016-11-02 01:10:58] AudibleScience : and -0.025% of the notional as a maker
[2016-11-02 01:10:58] rapidtrades : Apocalyptic: looks super-bullish on 1h tbh
[2016-11-02 01:11:45] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: my tu is 10 min
[2016-11-02 01:13:32] AudibleScience : javierstone: maker/taker fees, here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-11-02 01:16:20] rapidtrades : PBOC sets yuan reference rate for today at 6.7562 (vs. yesterday at 6.7734)
[2016-11-02 01:16:35] rapidtrades : stronger Yuan, as I expected
[2016-11-02 01:21:55] rapidtrades : some idiot dumped like 100 ZEC on polo
[2016-11-02 01:22:44] rapidtrades : my bad, 65....bad chart on polo
[2016-11-02 01:23:32] Apocalyptic : lol
[2016-11-02 01:24:00] rapidtrades : dumping will be over soon, prolly same idiot
[2016-11-02 01:24:29] Apocalyptic : I'm all for dumping, it lowers miners' interest in mining zec
[2016-11-02 01:26:03] rapidtrades : another 40 zec dumped in the next 5 mins
[2016-11-02 01:26:08] rapidtrades : seems too heavy to go on
[2016-11-02 01:38:25] viptrader : how much time can i hold a btc X100 trade
[2016-11-02 01:38:34] viptrader : dec 30, and perputual swap
[2016-11-02 01:38:39] viptrader : what's the difference
[2016-11-02 01:40:18] sleger : viptrader: one ends on dec 30 and one is perpetual
[2016-11-02 01:40:28] sleger : were the name not explicit enough ?
[2016-11-02 01:40:35] viptrader : what does perpetual means
[2016-11-02 01:41:00] sleger : viptrader: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=perpetual
[2016-11-02 01:41:05] john1243 : google has the answer to that question
[2016-11-02 01:41:16] sleger : john1243: i think i win
[2016-11-02 01:41:33] viptrader : you pay 0.375% fee every 2 hours
[2016-11-02 01:41:38] viptrader : ?
[2016-11-02 01:41:41] sleger : viptrader: no i dont
[2016-11-02 01:42:00] viptrader : funding rate
[2016-11-02 01:42:08] sleger : that's only for pink chat nicknames
[2016-11-02 01:42:12] sleger : greens receive it
[2016-11-02 01:42:14] john1243 : sleger: you do win
[2016-11-02 01:42:29] viptrader : greens?
[2016-11-02 01:42:37] sleger : viptrader: yes look at my color
[2016-11-02 01:42:40] sleger : then look at yours
[2016-11-02 01:42:43] rapidtrades : yeah we're VIP
[2016-11-02 01:42:46] sleger : you pay, I receive
[2016-11-02 01:43:00] viptrader : how is that
[2016-11-02 01:43:07] viptrader : r u lending btc
[2016-11-02 01:43:13] sleger : well rapid is super green, but that's because he's been banned 3 times
[2016-11-02 01:43:32] sleger : no, just depends when you registered here @viptrader
[2016-11-02 01:44:02] viptrader : r u trolling me
[2016-11-02 01:44:19] john1243 : no, I have to pay them too
[2016-11-02 01:44:23] numero : viptrader: are you short? I think you are receiving, if you are short
[2016-11-02 01:44:41] viptrader : im short
[2016-11-02 01:44:49] viptrader : yes, then im recieving money
[2016-11-02 01:44:50] john1243 : it's how it works around here
[2016-11-02 01:44:52] viptrader : ?
[2016-11-02 01:45:06] rapidtrades : wow 1.38
[2016-11-02 01:45:07] john1243 : no, you are paying the greens
[2016-11-02 01:45:14] rapidtrades : this worthless shitcoin
[2016-11-02 01:45:14] numero : well, if you're still short in 2 hours
[2016-11-02 01:45:26] viptrader : i need to make a X100 trade and leave it for 5-7 days
[2016-11-02 01:45:36] viptrader : will i get rekt on fees or something?
[2016-11-02 01:45:38] numero : lol
[2016-11-02 01:45:52] viptrader : ?
[2016-11-02 01:45:55] viptrader : numero:
[2016-11-02 01:46:06] john1243 : what is your stop-loss?
[2016-11-02 01:46:11] rapidtrades : viptrader: look at ur liquidation price
[2016-11-02 01:46:12] numero : don't tell the trolls that part ;)
[2016-11-02 01:46:30] viptrader : my liquadation price is good
[2016-11-02 01:46:40] viptrader : but it keep increasing
[2016-11-02 01:46:41] viptrader : weird
[2016-11-02 01:46:59] viptrader : it was 736 first, now 738
[2016-11-02 01:47:00] john1243 : that is because you are paying the greens
[2016-11-02 01:47:07] sleger : viptrader: every time you dont use google for stupid questions your liquidation price becomes closer
[2016-11-02 01:47:17] rapidtrades : he's short
[2016-11-02 01:47:39] rapidtrades : viptrader: u got paid 0.375%
[2016-11-02 01:47:48] viptrader : rapidtrades: thnx
[2016-11-02 01:47:49] viptrader : ok
[2016-11-02 01:48:35] rapidtrades : u can't leave positions on here without checking because funding can change and u can get ADL in the meantime
[2016-11-02 01:49:17] john1243 : wow, 1.35 now
[2016-11-02 01:49:20] viptrader : adl?
[2016-11-02 01:49:31] viptrader : wtf is this
[2016-11-02 01:49:32] john1243 : big drop
[2016-11-02 01:49:39] sleger : viptrader: after comes bem
[2016-11-02 01:49:50] john1243 : age, date, location
[2016-11-02 01:50:30] viptrader : location of what
[2016-11-02 01:51:18] rapidtrades : ask support these ppl are idiots @viptrader
[2016-11-02 01:51:31] viptrader : rapidtrades: agree
[2016-11-02 01:51:36] numero : viptrader: you got ADLed?
[2016-11-02 01:52:23] sleger : numero: stop making stuff up, ADLed, what's next DKTed ??
[2016-11-02 01:52:28] rapidtrades : shitcoin dropped 20% in half-hour
[2016-11-02 01:52:44] john1243 : my mom got ADL'd
[2016-11-02 01:53:16] numero : this is what happens when a noob tries to help a noob I guess :)
[2016-11-02 01:53:18] sleger : did she get ZEK't ?
[2016-11-02 01:53:33] numero : we all got ZECed
[2016-11-02 01:53:35] john1243 : sleger: twice
[2016-11-02 01:54:00] sleger : was that because she liked CAP?
[2016-11-02 01:54:33] rapidtrades : i get triggered whenever i read cap now
[2016-11-02 01:57:10] Rado : sup boyz
[2016-11-02 01:59:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.374901
[2016-11-02 02:05:55] Rado : not much long liquidations on ZEC
[2016-11-02 02:06:12] Rado : is everyone short?
[2016-11-02 02:10:10] imabeast : yo wth ! my position disappeared for btc
[2016-11-02 02:11:43] micmix : imabeast: REKT or ADL, check your emails
[2016-11-02 02:11:57] imabeast : no neither
[2016-11-02 02:12:01] imabeast : shit just disappeared....
[2016-11-02 02:12:13] imabeast : i was long at 731.67 with 50x leverage
[2016-11-02 02:12:20] imabeast : and it just disappeared without notice
[2016-11-02 02:12:22] imabeast : btc
[2016-11-02 02:12:43] lockhedge : then you are a lucky guy
[2016-11-02 02:12:48] micmix : not possible, check your trade history
[2016-11-02 02:12:50] BitMEX_Greg : imabeast: If you were liquidated or autodeleveraged, then you would have received an email
[2016-11-02 02:12:58] imabeast : i didnt get either
[2016-11-02 02:12:58] micmix : maybe you had stop loss?
[2016-11-02 02:13:25] imabeast : my liquidation was at 723
[2016-11-02 02:13:37] micmix : then you were liquidated
[2016-11-02 02:13:41] imabeast : BitMEX_Greg: can you check please
[2016-11-02 02:13:51] imabeast : it didnt even hit 723
[2016-11-02 02:14:32] micmix : you paid funding once or twice, liq price went up, you were liquidated
[2016-11-02 02:14:37] BitMEX_Greg : imabeast: are you looking at last price or Mark Price?
[2016-11-02 02:15:07] imabeast : there is nothing in my transaction history
[2016-11-02 02:15:17] BitMEX_Greg : imabeast: Mark price right now is 723.87 and has gone lower. If you were liquidated a liquidation would have been sent to the email address you signed up with on the system
[2016-11-02 02:15:44] Rado : also your balance will be lower
[2016-11-02 02:15:53] micmix : imabeast: did you check https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-11-02 02:16:20] Rado : micmix: how is it going
[2016-11-02 02:16:35] imabeast : BitMEX_Greg: okay
[2016-11-02 02:16:39] imabeast : yea i was looking at wrong email
[2016-11-02 02:16:44] imabeast : gdamnit
[2016-11-02 02:16:45] micmix : Rado: pretty god, thanks. what about you?
[2016-11-02 02:16:46] BitMEX_Greg : imabeast: np
[2016-11-02 02:16:49] micmix : * good
[2016-11-02 02:16:58] Rado : great
[2016-11-02 02:17:08] Rado : want to create an MM bot
[2016-11-02 02:17:14] Rado : no idea where to start
[2016-11-02 02:17:18] Rado : was going to ask you
[2016-11-02 02:18:50] imabeast : BitMEX_Greg: wait so how do i figure out how much i lost? i put in 1btc at 731
[2016-11-02 02:20:25] BitMEX_Greg : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-11-02 02:20:29] BitMEX_Greg : have a look in the Transaction History
[2016-11-02 02:20:36] BitMEX_Greg : where it says RealisedPNL
[2016-11-02 02:20:49] imabeast : o ok not that bad
[2016-11-02 02:20:52] imabeast : i thought i lost a lot lol
[2016-11-02 02:21:28] micmix : Rado: check https://blog.bitmex.com/how-to-market-make-bitcoin-derivatives-lesson-1/
[2016-11-02 02:22:46] micmix : Rado: and https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker
[2016-11-02 02:28:09] rapidtrades : ok bak to 1.5...not bad
[2016-11-02 02:28:47] Rado : micmix: Thanks
[2016-11-02 02:29:29] Rado : rapidtrades: 1.5, but only 0.35 here
[2016-11-02 02:29:46] Rado : I have bids to cover yet another short
[2016-11-02 02:30:06] Rado : I am starting to like ZEC
[2016-11-02 02:30:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 610 @ 0.01519
[2016-11-02 02:31:48] rapidtrades : yeah here we're 5 cents from the lows but on polo prices are over 2 times above the lows
[2016-11-02 02:31:53] rapidtrades : the gap is getting wider
[2016-11-02 02:32:03] Rado : yes
[2016-11-02 02:32:22] Rado : were you able to close some on the pump yesterday?
[2016-11-02 02:32:40] rapidtrades : im not closing until we match polo
[2016-11-02 02:32:59] rapidtrades : so no :)
[2016-11-02 02:33:58] rapidtrades : Rado: if polo or kraken introduces margin trading we're gonna have a 400% arb opportunity here
[2016-11-02 02:34:47] Rado : rapidtrades: so short on Kraken and buy here?
[2016-11-02 02:35:16] rapidtrades : Rado: exactly
[2016-11-02 02:36:06] Rado : if Polo enables margin I will start my bot on ZEC
[2016-11-02 02:36:19] j8 : cost to borrow could be similiar, then no arb @rapidtrades
[2016-11-02 02:36:38] javierstone : how do you remove indicators from the chart
[2016-11-02 02:36:41] rapidtrades : j8: ha....i rly doubt cost to borrow will be 1600% per annum
[2016-11-02 02:36:51] rapidtrades : sry that's 2000%
[2016-11-02 02:37:03] Rado : javierstone: I don't think you can
[2016-11-02 02:37:13] micmix : I expect ZEC lending rate will be over 5% daily
[2016-11-02 02:37:22] j8 : could be, there's a shortage of supply, i mean i really don't think ZEC is worth over 1 btc either
[2016-11-02 02:37:53] j8 : the future being at such a discount is the market saying the exact same thing
[2016-11-02 02:38:18] rapidtrades : the future is caped and marked to last, it's not an actual future
[2016-11-02 02:38:21] javierstone : i accidentally added a few and now ic an't get rid of them
[2016-11-02 02:38:22] rapidtrades : it's a put option
[2016-11-02 02:38:31] arbitrage001 : j8: from time to time, market expectation can be wrong
[2016-11-02 02:39:12] rapidtrades : volume here is tiny compared to polo, u can't tell me all those guys are wrong but this crippled market got it right
[2016-11-02 02:39:17] j8 : of course, but it could be wrong the other way too. your arb could backfire if cost to borrow spikes
[2016-11-02 02:39:23] Rado : javierstone: oh I thought you mean the one that are there by default
[2016-11-02 02:39:32] Rado : you can remove the one you added
[2016-11-02 02:39:41] javierstone : how
[2016-11-02 02:39:43] j8 : rapidtrades: they're not wrong, since we can't see the borrow cost
[2016-11-02 02:39:44] rapidtrades : guess we'll see, I don't think either are close to adding margin
[2016-11-02 02:39:48] javierstone : when i click it, it adds another one
[2016-11-02 02:39:53] javierstone : my shit is fukt
[2016-11-02 02:39:55] Rado : click on the x where they are listed on the top left
[2016-11-02 02:40:25] arbitrage001 : j8: uncertainty also create huge discount/premium for the risk takers
[2016-11-02 02:41:33] j8 : anyway a huge discount and high lending rate makes complete sense given the massive difference in inflation rates
[2016-11-02 02:42:35] rapidtrades : the inflation argument only makes sense if u know how much inflation is already priced in right now
[2016-11-02 02:42:43] rapidtrades : which u don't so it's a stupid argument
[2016-11-02 02:46:28] lockhedge : the inflation argument makes sense because demand has to increase at the same speed as supply to hold the spot price
[2016-11-02 02:46:53] j8 : -75% by end of december is the information i have
[2016-11-02 02:47:20] j8 : i don't consider that "wrong" or think i know better
[2016-11-02 02:48:47] Rado : the demand for BTC has been increasing with the increasing suply
[2016-11-02 02:49:06] Rado : I don't think BTC inflation had a big effect on the price
[2016-11-02 02:50:26] rapidtrades : is there no other way to sell ZEC without already owning it? options, mining, whatever
[2016-11-02 02:50:35] arbitrage001 : any new coin that preceived to be better than btc can just replace it
[2016-11-02 02:50:45] arbitrage001 : infrastructure is mostly in place
[2016-11-02 02:51:05] rapidtrades : it doesn't have to replace BTC just do better then XMR
[2016-11-02 02:51:10] arbitrage001 : dont forget finex, polo, kraken offer zcash trading right from the start
[2016-11-02 02:51:28] arbitrage001 : that say a lot about the expectation
[2016-11-02 02:51:31] rapidtrades : which is basically their competitor in the anon space
[2016-11-02 02:51:47] rapidtrades : yes this is the most hyped coin ever
[2016-11-02 02:52:09] Apocalyptic : given the shielding transaction are reported not to work it's not much of a competition atm
[2016-11-02 02:52:27] miramm1115 : guys, you are talking about supply/demand, inflation etc. altcoin market is 100% manipulated, fundamentals don't matter much
[2016-11-02 02:52:28] rapidtrades : it doesn't have to work for prices to go up
[2016-11-02 02:52:30] lockhedge : Rado: there was no btc price a few after the genesis block has been mined.
[2016-11-02 02:52:51] lockhedge : * a few days
[2016-11-02 02:52:58] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: indeed, the expectation of it working in the future is sufficient
[2016-11-02 02:53:08] rapidtrades : u got it :)
[2016-11-02 02:53:18] rapidtrades : look at TSLA
[2016-11-02 02:53:27] Apocalyptic : it that a coin ?
[2016-11-02 02:53:40] Apocalyptic : lolk
[2016-11-02 02:54:23] QuantFocus : yea, solar energy coin
[2016-11-02 02:54:35] rapidtrades : does tesla make money? No. Does the market care? no
[2016-11-02 02:54:37] Apocalyptic : SolarCoin, launching soon
[2016-11-02 02:55:34] rapidtrades : i like this bounce, could turn into a major reversal
[2016-11-02 02:55:55] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: what happened with PBOC?
[2016-11-02 02:56:05] QuantFocus : had to hit the gym and get swole
[2016-11-02 02:56:14] rapidtrades : bit stronger Yuan but no reaction in BTC
[2016-11-02 02:56:17] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: I'm curious, what's your trading style ?
[2016-11-02 02:56:35] QuantFocus : Apocalyptic: i personally just try to lose money until i'm broke
[2016-11-02 02:56:42] QuantFocus : it's working out so far
[2016-11-02 02:56:49] Apocalyptic : QuantFocus: seems like a solid plan
[2016-11-02 02:57:21] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: thanks man. china had a positive econ report come out yesterday too
[2016-11-02 02:57:36] QuantFocus : improvement in multiple sectors. retail and manufac.
[2016-11-02 03:12:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.345000
[2016-11-02 03:14:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 7 @ 0.327240
[2016-11-02 03:15:57] sally : today all the zec longs pop
[2016-11-02 03:39:13] imabeast : womp womppp
[2016-11-02 03:39:37] sally : my question for the mod: Who can see my hidden sell orders?
[2016-11-02 03:40:00] QuantFocus : all the bots
[2016-11-02 03:40:08] sally : QuantFocus: really?
[2016-11-02 03:40:13] QuantFocus : no
[2016-11-02 03:40:31] QuantFocus : sorry, i don't really know. presumably no one can see them except you
[2016-11-02 03:40:36] sally : because sometimes I put hidden sells and some dog front runs them
[2016-11-02 03:41:01] sally : so I want to know who can see them
[2016-11-02 03:41:38] miramm1115 : sally: noone, just make sure Display Qty is 0
[2016-11-02 03:47:50] holistico : Hi, if you short now can you take profit from the funding?
[2016-11-02 03:48:06] QuantFocus : yep
[2016-11-02 03:48:30] holistico : ok ty :)
[2016-11-02 03:48:57] fml : Coup happening in the cia and fbi against corrupt clintons
[2016-11-02 03:49:08] Apocalyptic : bullish for btc obviously
[2016-11-02 03:51:00] public username 321 : zec bulls getting slaughtered
[2016-11-02 03:53:05] javierstone : @fml seriously wtf is going
[2016-11-02 03:53:22] javierstone : fml: this shit is bonkers
[2016-11-02 03:53:24] fml : Google
[2016-11-02 03:53:37] fml : Clintons corrupt as fuck bill is a pedophile
[2016-11-02 03:53:43] fml : Known ties to pedophiles
[2016-11-02 03:53:47] javierstone : fml: just read about it
[2016-11-02 03:54:08] javierstone : bernie 4 ever
[2016-11-02 03:54:17] fml : If hilary is elected were fucked
[2016-11-02 03:54:33] javierstone : basically on nov 8th, either way we're fucked
[2016-11-02 03:54:35] fml : She handed over uranium mines in the usa to putin when she was sec of stae
[2016-11-02 03:54:47] fml : And then says trump has ties with russia LOL
[2016-11-02 03:54:58] QuantFocus : we don't have these problems in NZ
[2016-11-02 03:55:02] fml : Gently careseed i meant corrupt as fuck lol
[2016-11-02 03:55:13] fml : Autocorrect.fml
[2016-11-02 03:56:00] QuantFocus : we just have people throwing dildos at our PM
[2016-11-02 04:05:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.302875
[2016-11-02 04:06:53] billyboy402 : where does bitmex get there lending rate from for LISK , it doesnt look like polinex has Lisk for margin
[2016-11-02 04:12:34] javierstone : such a boring night
[2016-11-02 04:14:13] QuantFocus : ikr
[2016-11-02 04:25:38] uncleyao : 这垃圾网站借贷利率怎么高？
[2016-11-02 04:26:08] uncleyao : 扣了我0.0253btc
[2016-11-02 04:27:28] chromaticcr1 : uncleyao: 你的钱给了空军了（就是我）
[2016-11-02 04:28:05] uncleyao : 日利息将近百分之一 @chromaticcr1
[2016-11-02 04:28:09] chromaticcr1 : 资金费率就是根据市场利率和溢价厘定的，比如说溢价率是 0.3%，那么资金费率就是 0.25%
[2016-11-02 04:28:40] chromaticcr1 : 如果溢价率与市场资金费率（finex的）相差小于0.05%，那么就根据finex的费率
[2016-11-02 04:29:40] uncleyao : 每天百分之一高利贷 @chromaticcr1
[2016-11-02 04:29:54] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 由于比特币大涨，目前大幅溢价，因此资金费率较高。资金费用是多仓付给空仓，并非BitMEX收取。
[2016-11-02 04:31:12] uncleyao : 竟然是借款金额的百分之一 本金的百分之五左右
[2016-11-02 04:31:25] uncleyao : 这还是日利息。。。
[2016-11-02 04:31:28] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 如果你不想有资金费用，那么可以交易`XBTZ16`,它是期货合约，无funding。
[2016-11-02 04:32:03] uncleyao : 买之前没有仔细读
[2016-11-02 04:32:06] uncleyao : 被坑了。
[2016-11-02 04:32:20] uncleyao : 月息那就是百分之30了。
[2016-11-02 04:32:27] uncleyao : 比高利贷还可怕。
[2016-11-02 04:32:51] uncleyao : 本金20天就被消化干净
[2016-11-02 04:33:18] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 你可以空仓，赚资金费率。
[2016-11-02 04:33:28] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 如果你觉得高的话。
[2016-11-02 04:33:37] chromaticcr1 : 資金費率就是讓掉期合約多空平衡，維持溢價在市場價格附近，比如說我看到這個利率就在這邊做空然後去現貨做多套了個小利。利率添上溢價大概都有0.7%
[2016-11-02 04:35:17] uncleyao : 是开空仓有资金率赚 @BitMEX_Jinming ？
[2016-11-02 04:35:33] uncleyao : 妥妥的被这个网站搞晕了。。。
[2016-11-02 04:36:00] uncleyao : 自动平你仓就算了，还加那么高的利息。。
[2016-11-02 04:36:04] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 是的，因为资金费率是多仓付给空仓的。
[2016-11-02 04:36:19] uncleyao : 这个不就是力保空头？
[2016-11-02 04:36:56] nope : BitMEX_Jinming: can we please get a separate Chinese only trollbox so you ladies can gossip without clogging this up for the rest of us?
[2016-11-02 04:37:25] uncleyao : 多空其实是一条线上的啊，而且我做的是ltc根本没波动，为什么要加收那么高的利息。
[2016-11-02 04:37:51] BitMEX_Jinming : nope: we are looking at opening a Chinese separate trollbox
[2016-11-02 04:37:59] bbking : 谁说资金费率是多仓付给空仓啊，现在溢价才是而已
[2016-11-02 04:38:44] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 如果资金费率是负数，就是空仓付给多仓
[2016-11-02 04:38:52] bbking : 因为没有交割，所以要资金费率来导航，不至于偏离太大
[2016-11-02 04:39:02] nope : BitMEX_Jinming: thank you, much appreciated
[2016-11-02 04:39:10] uncleyao : 那zec我做多的话，你们空头要付给我了波？
[2016-11-02 04:39:22] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 对
[2016-11-02 04:39:24] uncleyao : 已经严重负溢价了。
[2016-11-02 04:39:26] bbking : BitMEX_Jinming: 你是官方的吗？
[2016-11-02 04:39:51] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: zec是期货，有交割，没有资金费率。
[2016-11-02 04:40:18] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 所有用户名是BitMEX开头并且有图标的都是官方的
[2016-11-02 04:40:44] bbking : BitMEX_Jinming: 这网站是中国人弄的吗
[2016-11-02 04:41:14] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 不是，你可以看`https://www.bitmex.com/app/aboutUs`
[2016-11-02 04:41:18] uncleyao : 那ltcxbt不是期货？
[2016-11-02 04:41:47] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 对，LTCXBT是掉期合约，所以有资金费率。
[2016-11-02 04:42:18] bbking : BitMEX_Jinming: 你们在哪里办公？
[2016-11-02 04:42:20] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 不过，对于山寨币的掉期合约，我们本周会终止并挂牌相应的期货合约。
[2016-11-02 04:42:54] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 我们主要在香港和美国
[2016-11-02 04:43:17] uncleyao : 复杂。。。
[2016-11-02 04:43:21] uncleyao : 那我本金不足就要从委托金里扣这个钱罗？
[2016-11-02 04:43:49] uncleyao : 这么多规则那就可以利用这个规则来回收割。
[2016-11-02 04:44:01] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 资金费用会从该仓位的保证金中扣除或增加。
[2016-11-02 04:44:47] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 对，目前的掉期合约规则稍许复杂。最好详细阅读文档。
[2016-11-02 04:44:48] bbking : uncleyao: 这个恰恰是为了不让庄家容易操控价格
[2016-11-02 04:46:03] bbking : BitMEX_Jinming: 你们网站速度慢的吓人
[2016-11-02 04:46:09] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: bbking说的对，主要原因是掉期合约没有交割，因此必须有资金费用的交换来保证价格与现货接近。
[2016-11-02 04:46:33] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 我也注意到了，我去检查一下。应该不会这么慢的。
[2016-11-02 04:46:48] bbking : 就算这里回复一句，也要等几秒才能看到
[2016-11-02 04:46:52] bbking : 下单也是
[2016-11-02 04:47:51] BitMEX_Jinming : bbking: 我们会尽快恢复速度。
[2016-11-02 04:50:04] BitMEX_Jinming : @bbking @uncleyao 可以加入我们的微信群，里面主要是中国的用户。
[2016-11-02 04:51:07] uncleyao : 好啊。
[2016-11-02 04:51:10] ss : 好像也没几个老外在炒啊
[2016-11-02 04:51:15] uncleyao : 多少？
[2016-11-02 04:52:30] ss : 怎么交易量几乎没有了
[2016-11-02 04:54:15] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 你的微信号是多少，我加你进去。
[2016-11-02 04:54:39] uncleyao : BitMEX_Jinming: 175094362
[2016-11-02 05:00:39] uncleyao : 我想了个来回收割的办法，比如我做多，价格涨到我有一定利润了，我不平，然后我花少量资金维持负溢价，这样空头就要给我钱了，而且他们的开空点位变低。
[2016-11-02 05:04:07] uncleyao : 维持个三四天，空头都要割肉，那么高的利息。
[2016-11-02 05:20:36] Jason G : 没波动啊= =
[2016-11-02 05:26:56] chromaticcr1 : 可能BitMEX伺服器在外国吧，我这边香港一秒内就看到信息了
[2016-11-02 05:28:49] chromaticcr1 : 话说昨晚还有今天下午拿着50000空仓收了0.5B，谢谢各位多军了 ;)
[2016-11-02 05:31:30] drag : shit
[2016-11-02 05:34:31] martinium : Fückin hell
[2016-11-02 05:34:43] martinium : hahaha got past the gently caress
[2016-11-02 05:34:53] martinium : fuck
[2016-11-02 05:34:58] martinium : hahahaha
[2016-11-02 05:50:31] laisee : Fekt!
[2016-11-02 06:03:12] Jason G : zec什么情况？
[2016-11-02 06:04:18] Jason G : 两个小时没波动了
[2016-11-02 06:04:49] jeeburns : this "mark price" is bs. have a decent order and just starts inching my order towards margin call when the price isn't even moving, idk who's great idea that was but gonna be the reason I stop using this exchange soon if it actually triggers a margin call when the actual price is like $5 or more from the mark price.
[2016-11-02 06:10:10] imabeast : why tf does my liquidation price keep changing?.....
[2016-11-02 06:10:32] BitMEX_Jinming : Jason G: ZECZ16是用最新成交价格标记，最近2小时没有交易，因此无波动。
[2016-11-02 06:14:21] jeeburns : exactly! imabeast, it's complete bs. creeping towards margin call when i'm a dollar away from market price, fuck that.
[2016-11-02 06:14:39] jeeburns : lmaooo i said f that, gently caress works ha
[2016-11-02 06:16:59] imabeast : it doesnt make sense... When i put in my order my liquidation price was 121.... why did it all of the sudden change to 124? If my liquidation was going to be 124 i wouldnt have even put in the order!
[2016-11-02 06:17:24] imabeast : so gently caressing dumb
[2016-11-02 06:18:17] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: the estimated liquidation price in the order submit confirmation window has some issue. We will fix it soon.
[2016-11-02 06:18:45] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: Once you enter the position, the liquidation price is accurate.
[2016-11-02 06:19:19] imabeast : then why did it liquidate me at 124?
[2016-11-02 06:20:06] jeeburns : It's too complicated is the prob, just keep it simple. None of this moving mark price as well as the actual price, but that doesn't matter cuz if the mark price hits your liq. price then your f'd.
[2016-11-02 06:20:08] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: Can you send a screenshot to support@bitmex.com, we will look at it.
[2016-11-02 06:21:00] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: if you are talking about `XBTUSD` the swap contract, `Mark Price=Index Price * (1 + Funding Basis)`
[2016-11-02 06:21:02] imabeast : well im already liquidated out of the position and didnt screen shot it.. can you calculate it? i went in with around 1btc at 730 at 50x... my liquidation price when i put in the order was 121
[2016-11-02 06:21:37] imabeast : my quantity was 800
[2016-11-02 06:21:53] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: You should get an email notification with all the details.
[2016-11-02 06:22:04] jeeburns : BitMEX_Jinming: is there another way to just simply margin trade btc? not wure what perpetual swap is, just noticed it even said that.
[2016-11-02 06:22:12] jeeburns : sure*
[2016-11-02 06:23:15] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: i replied to the email that said i was liquidated
[2016-11-02 06:23:18] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: We only offer derivatives, not spot margin trading.
[2016-11-02 06:23:35] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: Ok, we will look at it and reply you soon.
[2016-11-02 06:23:44] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: thanks
[2016-11-02 06:24:27] BitMEX_Jinming : jee burns: besides swap, we also have futures `XBTZ16`
[2016-11-02 06:24:47] jeeburns : what is that then?
[2016-11-02 06:24:54] jeeburns : where can i find it?
[2016-11-02 06:25:50] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: okay thanks... i mean, i didnt lose much.. but still, something is wrong
[2016-11-02 06:26:09] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: It is a future contract which expires on Dec 30, under `Bictoin XBT`, next to `Perpetual Swap`
[2016-11-02 06:27:06] jeeburns : BitMEX_Jinming: ok i just noticed that. So do i have to pay the fee for keeping an order open then? What is the difference between the perpetual swap and the dec 30 one, in simplest terms possible :) still getting this down.
[2016-11-02 06:27:11] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: Yes, we are aware of the wrong estimated liquidation price in the order submission window, we will fix it soon.
[2016-11-02 06:27:42] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: will you be able to reposition me in my order/or refund?
[2016-11-02 06:28:14] BitMEX_Jinming : imabeast: We will reply you in email.
[2016-11-02 06:28:20] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: okay
[2016-11-02 06:29:15] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: you can take a look at `https://www.bitmex.com/app/futuresGuide` and `https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide`
[2016-11-02 06:30:39] jeeburns : so when it says 100x does that mean that is the only option? Or just that it is available
[2016-11-02 06:32:30] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: This is the highest leverage you can use to open a position. You can select smaller leverage by moving the leverage sliding bar. Or you can select `cross` meaning using your whole account balance as margin.
[2016-11-02 06:32:42] BitMEX_Sunny : yah there is another to jeeburns. you can your leverage on the left hand side based on different products and different risk limits you take.
[2016-11-02 06:33:05] public username 321 : zec on the move.
[2016-11-02 06:33:26] jeeburns : So if I click the Dec 30 (100x) one right now, can I switch when a trade is open?
[2016-11-02 06:34:00] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: yes you can change it.
[2016-11-02 06:34:11] BitMEX_Sunny : once you earn ur leverage will be less.
[2016-11-02 06:35:15] jeeburns : BitMEX_Jinming: ok so i changed it, is my liq. price supposed to stay the same? even though the market prices have changed?
[2016-11-02 06:36:36] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: if you change the leverage of your existing position, the liquidation price will change too.
[2016-11-02 06:37:56] jeeburns : BitMEX_Jinming: ok it is initially set to "cross" when i enetered into the xbtz16 market, then I clicked 50x and my liq. price didn't change.
[2016-11-02 06:40:54] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: the estimated liq price in the order submission window has some problem.
[2016-11-02 06:41:33] BitMEX_Jinming : jeeburns: We will fix it soon.
[2016-11-02 06:41:36] jeeburns : oh, ok, yea it it didn't change when i switched over to the other market
[2016-11-02 06:55:11] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: well support was no help
[2016-11-02 06:55:15] imabeast : BitMEX_Jinming: welp
[2016-11-02 06:56:03] imabeast : and now btc is about to move up
[2016-11-02 06:56:04] imabeast : smh
[2016-11-02 07:08:07] CapitalGains : BitMEX_Jinming: I have a question - I'm using only 1x leverage on ZEC and I just market bought (so the last price is my price), and yet all five adl lights are on - why would this be? Surely I'm neither highly profitable nor highly leveraged on this trade?
[2016-11-02 07:09:50] BitMEX_Jinming : CapitalGains: that means most of the longs are using 1x and they probably have loss.
[2016-11-02 07:10:55] CapitalGains : Makes sense. Thanks. But I would only be ADLed if the price were to move up, right?
[2016-11-02 07:11:36] BitMEX_Jinming : CapitalGains: Correct, for long, only if price up and there is short liquidation orders can't be filled in the market.
[2016-11-02 07:12:34] CapitalGains : Thanks for explaining/confirming.
[2016-11-02 07:12:46] BitMEX_Jinming : You are welcome :)
[2016-11-02 07:18:10] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: good news for you
[2016-11-02 07:18:23] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: do a small pump on price and make short adl
[2016-11-02 07:18:32] arbitrage001 : then buy back at cheaper price
[2016-11-02 07:18:55] arbitrage001 : tips will be appreciated
[2016-11-02 07:19:04] CapitalGains : :D
[2016-11-02 07:35:58] wurstgelee : thank you
[2016-11-02 07:36:10] wurstgelee : A couple of longs got filled
[2016-11-02 07:36:12] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-02 07:36:20] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: what price?
[2016-11-02 07:36:40] arbitrage001 : balless to add more position
[2016-11-02 07:36:49] arbitrage001 : wish i have 3 nuts
[2016-11-02 07:36:54] wurstgelee : all the way down from. 4 to .3
[2016-11-02 07:36:58] wurstgelee : .4
[2016-11-02 07:37:24] arbitrage001 : i am adding more bid order below 0.2
[2016-11-02 07:37:26] arbitrage001 : just in case
[2016-11-02 07:37:43] wurstgelee : Yes ofc. all set down there too
[2016-11-02 07:37:45] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:38:14] wurstgelee : double on the half etc
[2016-11-02 07:38:35] wurstgelee : not exactly double but you get my point ;)
[2016-11-02 07:39:29] CapitalGains : Where do you think we're going to find enough shorters brave enough to push us down so low?
[2016-11-02 07:39:36] arbitrage001 : i trading zec based solely on intuition and not logic
[2016-11-02 07:39:42] arbitrage001 : or exp
[2016-11-02 07:39:43] wurstgelee : no clue.
[2016-11-02 07:39:50] wurstgelee : humans do dumb things
[2016-11-02 07:39:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:39:57] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-11-02 07:40:07] arbitrage001 : but long could be the dumb one
[2016-11-02 07:40:12] wurstgelee : no
[2016-11-02 07:40:14] CapitalGains : Yes, but I think all the early ZEC shorters are broke, so we need new ones.
[2016-11-02 07:40:14] arbitrage001 : only time will tell
[2016-11-02 07:40:15] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-02 07:40:59] wurstgelee : not putting more than ~ 20% of my zec profits on the plate again
[2016-11-02 07:41:08] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:41:23] wurstgelee : so..risk is limited
[2016-11-02 07:41:41] arbitrage001 : if i were you, i will go 80% of taken profit
[2016-11-02 07:41:48] wurstgelee : lol no
[2016-11-02 07:41:50] arbitrage001 : hard to see oppurtunity like this often
[2016-11-02 07:42:25] wurstgelee : i like a gamble but thats 2 much
[2016-11-02 07:42:28] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:43:01] rapidtrades : this shitcoin shall rise again
[2016-11-02 07:43:01] wurstgelee : i might add more as we get closer to dec 30 tho
[2016-11-02 07:43:02] arbitrage001 : you already won even if you lose later
[2016-11-02 07:43:20] wurstgelee : yes. but i like by win to be guaranteed 80%
[2016-11-02 07:43:28] arbitrage001 : see, as we approach expire,
[2016-11-02 07:43:31] wurstgelee : no matter how hard i fuck up now
[2016-11-02 07:43:34] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-02 07:43:35] arbitrage001 : oppurtunity will fade
[2016-11-02 07:43:57] arbitrage001 : hard to conceived people shorting at huge discount 1 month before expiration
[2016-11-02 07:43:57] wurstgelee : but it will get more predictable
[2016-11-02 07:44:10] wurstgelee : as time closes in
[2016-11-02 07:44:16] CapitalGains : I'm also only risking about 30% of my profit... hopefully less if things continue to go well (or if we get ZEC futures with decimals).
[2016-11-02 07:44:55] wurstgelee : i hope i get adl soon anyways
[2016-11-02 07:45:03] arbitrage001 : same here
[2016-11-02 07:45:04] wurstgelee : so we can repeat once again
[2016-11-02 07:45:06] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-11-02 07:45:28] CapitalGains : I like the idea of quitting while ahead, but I think there's still going to be a sizeable window of opportunity to be utilised
[2016-11-02 07:45:38] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-02 07:46:02] wurstgelee : suply is small for quite a while. so volatility will be high
[2016-11-02 07:46:06] wurstgelee : *p
[2016-11-02 07:46:11] wurstgelee : enough opps
[2016-11-02 07:46:49] arbitrage001 : think whale will manipulate polo price on expire date?
[2016-11-02 07:47:00] CapitalGains : I also feel like with the long support at 0.3 and below here, the risk reward is high enough to be worthwhile... I mean just compare the likelihood of 0.45 as opposed to 0.15
[2016-11-02 07:47:17] arbitrage001 : outstanding contract here still not price manipulation
[2016-11-02 07:47:23] arbitrage001 : not worth
[2016-11-02 07:48:06] CapitalGains : Also, while it takes about 20-50 BTC to manipulate ZEC on Polo now, that won't be the case towards the end of Dec I don't think
[2016-11-02 07:48:27] wurstgelee : Some have deeper pockets than that
[2016-11-02 07:48:30] wurstgelee : way deeper
[2016-11-02 07:48:33] wurstgelee : On polo
[2016-11-02 07:48:35] arbitrage001 : yeah
[2016-11-02 07:48:44] arbitrage001 : wish i am big fish
[2016-11-02 07:49:23] wurstgelee : it can pull 100k btc volume nowadays
[2016-11-02 07:49:25] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:49:32] wurstgelee : on one coin
[2016-11-02 07:49:50] wurstgelee : if u want that
[2016-11-02 07:49:59] wurstgelee : With 300 k supplx
[2016-11-02 07:50:02] CapitalGains : Polo is quite the phenomenon
[2016-11-02 07:50:14] wurstgelee : No way this can happen at .1 ....
[2016-11-02 07:50:38] wurstgelee : u need a higher polo cap (coins on polo x price)
[2016-11-02 07:51:31] CapitalGains : Are you saying that since Polo is where the price is largely determined, and there won't be all that many ZEC on Polo by Dec 30, the price will have to be above 0.1?
[2016-11-02 07:53:22] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: anything can happen
[2016-11-02 07:53:25] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-11-02 07:53:31] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: that
[2016-11-02 07:53:33] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 07:53:37] CapitalGains : Yes of course
[2016-11-02 07:53:38] arbitrage001 : could be 0.05 like someone here claimed
[2016-11-02 07:53:47] CapitalGains : But am I understanding what you said more or less?
[2016-11-02 07:53:53] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: yes
[2016-11-02 07:53:58] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-02 07:54:25] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: since you are long,
[2016-11-02 07:54:40] arbitrage001 : are you going to buy a bit and help pump a bit on pollo exp date?
[2016-11-02 07:55:26] wurstgelee : depends. only if i am convinced its a bux ;)
[2016-11-02 07:55:58] wurstgelee : not gonna buy with some obscure hope of playing a role in some imaginary pump start
[2016-11-02 07:56:36] CapitalGains : Mod: Is there any plan to have ZEC futures beyond Dec?
[2016-11-02 07:56:38] arbitrage001 : shallow market can probably work
[2016-11-02 07:56:51] arbitrage001 : small whale make it worthwhile
[2016-11-02 07:57:01] arbitrage001 : since people here selling this low
[2016-11-02 07:57:02] wurstgelee : yep :)
[2016-11-02 07:57:26] wurstgelee : With still havent had 24h marking notice
[2016-11-02 07:57:36] wurstgelee : plenty of times.to fuck with shorts here
[2016-11-02 07:57:50] wurstgelee : *.s
[2016-11-02 07:58:00] arbitrage001 : still
[2016-11-02 07:58:09] arbitrage001 : i dont think inexperience traders will short
[2016-11-02 07:58:22] arbitrage001 : unless he is really dumb
[2016-11-02 07:58:58] wurstgelee : some will
[2016-11-02 07:59:02] arbitrage001 : or have more information than i do
[2016-11-02 07:59:05] CapitalGains : Wow, check out all the hidden orders under 0.4
[2016-11-02 07:59:16] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: yes. Its stacked down there
[2016-11-02 07:59:34] wurstgelee : for a reason
[2016-11-02 07:59:54] wurstgelee : I doubt that those orders are "inexperiences traders's hidden orders"
[2016-11-02 07:59:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 08:00:17] wurstgelee : *typos. fucking tiny mobile keyboards
[2016-11-02 08:00:35] CapitalGains : Mobile keyboard typos are always forgiven
[2016-11-02 08:02:15] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: If I may ask, do you have a target price to close your longs, or is that target price ADL?
[2016-11-02 08:02:36] wurstgelee : adl tbh
[2016-11-02 08:02:57] wurstgelee : as target. Or whatever seems right at the time
[2016-11-02 08:03:03] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 08:03:25] arbitrage001 : adl price is most likely above 1 btc now
[2016-11-02 08:03:39] arbitrage001 : weak hand should be gone by now