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[2016-11-01 22:21:26] wurstgelee : zcash is
[2016-11-01 22:21:42] micmix : bitcoin dumping and noone cares?
[2016-11-01 22:21:55] orly : wurstgelee: i understand, but they are not technical people, and they have the tumbler solution, they know how to use it
[2016-11-01 22:21:56] wurstgelee : john1243: how many dark markets did that? and how many exchanges?
[2016-11-01 22:21:57] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-11-01 22:22:00] jeeburns : um excuse me mod
[2016-11-01 22:22:32] rapidtrades : micmix: exactly, noone cares about bitcoin anymore
[2016-11-01 22:22:47] wurstgelee : orly: they adopted xmr, they will embrace zcash
[2016-11-01 22:22:56] john1243 : wurstgelee: more darknet markets than exchanges, exchange owners were all held accountable in some way or another
[2016-11-01 22:22:59] orly : wurstgelee: i don't think they even use xmr, it was just hype
[2016-11-01 22:23:05] numero : micmix: thanks for the heads up
[2016-11-01 22:23:08] jeeburns : Is there a MOD around, please get back to me thanks.
[2016-11-01 22:23:18] orly : wurstgelee: they are business men, they don't like volatile coins
[2016-11-01 22:23:29] wurstgelee : numero: there is a market , at least one, where xmr trades happen... so i heard
[2016-11-01 22:23:31] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 22:23:45] john1243 : did anyone get anything back from silk road? oasis?
[2016-11-01 22:23:50] wurstgelee : dumpididump
[2016-11-01 22:24:01] rapidtrades : ZEC has been at n2 on polo for two days now, everybody loves this coin
[2016-11-01 22:24:04] wurstgelee : i never lost btc due to a hack or someone running
[2016-11-01 22:24:10] numero : wurstgelee: maybe later
[2016-11-01 22:24:11] john1243 : mtgox and bitfinex had reimbursement programs
[2016-11-01 22:24:18] rapidtrades : HA
[2016-11-01 22:24:33] wurstgelee : really, pure luck
[2016-11-01 22:24:48] wurstgelee : survived gox, cryptsy, mintpal, all the others without a scratch
[2016-11-01 22:25:06] rapidtrades : dont worry it's just a matter of time
[2016-11-01 22:25:14] wurstgelee : withdrew everything early tho
[2016-11-01 22:25:23] wurstgelee : when first doubts came up
[2016-11-01 22:25:29] rapidtrades : that's smart
[2016-11-01 22:25:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 30 @ 0.01536
[2016-11-01 22:25:45] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: probability will fuck me sooner or late
[2016-11-01 22:25:48] wurstgelee : maybe here? :P
[2016-11-01 22:25:52] john1243 : point is that if you are going to make a case for darknet markets, you are still trusting some unknown person with your coins and they can just walk away freely at any time with no consequences
[2016-11-01 22:26:05] rapidtrades : that's the best thing to do...wtihdrew everything whenever anything smells fishy
[2016-11-01 22:26:19] rapidtrades : u can always deposit more but can never get the coins back :)
[2016-11-01 22:26:20] wurstgelee : john1243: they have escrow nowadays
[2016-11-01 22:26:27] wurstgelee : and tracked deliveries
[2016-11-01 22:26:28] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 22:26:35] orly : wurstgelee: multisig is preferred as far as i know
[2016-11-01 22:26:38] jeeburns : Hi I am looking for a mod
[2016-11-01 22:26:44] wurstgelee : orly: some do that, yes
[2016-11-01 22:26:47] wurstgelee : i heard
[2016-11-01 22:26:52] wurstgelee : or read
[2016-11-01 22:26:54] wurstgelee : somewhere
[2016-11-01 22:26:55] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-01 22:26:57] orly : yeah i heard or read somewhere too
[2016-11-01 22:27:10] micmix : jeeburns: try support@bitmex.com, they answer really fast
[2016-11-01 22:27:12] wurstgelee : of course
[2016-11-01 22:27:22] jeeburns : thank you
[2016-11-01 22:27:58] john1243 : I also never got hit by mt gox or cyptsy luckily
[2016-11-01 22:28:33] john1243 : I never used mtgox cause it would take a month to get money off the exchange if I sold there
[2016-11-01 22:28:55] wurstgelee : just dont leave more than necessary funds on an exchange.
[2016-11-01 22:28:59] john1243 : price might have been higher, but you were trapped to try and arbitrage it
[2016-11-01 22:29:07] wurstgelee : also some due diligence when storing coins helps...own wallets etc
[2016-11-01 22:29:10] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 22:29:32] orly : you can use my wallets too :p
[2016-11-01 22:29:37] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-01 22:29:41] john1243 : and for Cryptsy, too many red flags
[2016-11-01 22:29:48] wurstgelee : yes, a fucking lot red flags
[2016-11-01 22:29:50] wurstgelee : for weeks
[2016-11-01 22:29:52] wurstgelee : if not months
[2016-11-01 22:30:13] rapidtrades : is Mark even in jail?
[2016-11-01 22:30:22] rapidtrades : i don't think any of them are in jail
[2016-11-01 22:30:28] wurstgelee : good question....iirc yes?
[2016-11-01 22:30:31] wurstgelee : no?
[2016-11-01 22:30:34] wurstgelee : idc tbh
[2016-11-01 22:30:41] rapidtrades : he tweeted after bitfinex
[2016-11-01 22:30:46] rapidtrades : f*cking autist
[2016-11-01 22:30:50] public username 321 : no, fat Karp is even using twitter these days
[2016-11-01 22:31:38] john1243 : you mean hyppocrite?
[2016-11-01 22:32:23] wurstgelee : zec mining is definitely not profitable with nicehash now. had 100%+ yesterday and it looks like i might up with -%20 today
[2016-11-01 22:32:28] wurstgelee : experiment still not finished
[2016-11-01 22:32:35] wurstgelee : but that explains why there is no dump
[2016-11-01 22:32:58] rapidtrades : not rly,,,supply is constant
[2016-11-01 22:32:58] john1243 : sell side keeps stacking up, buy side decreasing
[2016-11-01 22:33:18] wurstgelee : yes, but you cant just mine and dump for a big profit
[2016-11-01 22:33:20] orly : wurstgelee: how do nicehash prices compare to some budget dedis?
[2016-11-01 22:33:34] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: ah yes
[2016-11-01 22:33:49] john1243 : there was 165 on sell side yesterday when it pumped to 3.5, 1300 on buy side
[2016-11-01 22:33:52] wurstgelee : orly: no clue. i dont usually mine. i did it for testing purposes to assess profitability
[2016-11-01 22:33:57] public username 321 : zec 24h volume is higher than its marketcap
[2016-11-01 22:34:04] wurstgelee : turned out to be %30 profitable
[2016-11-01 22:34:10] john1243 : now there is 265 on sell side and under 900 buy si
[2016-11-01 22:34:15] wurstgelee : so i decided to suppport the network with 100 kSol/s
[2016-11-01 22:34:19] wurstgelee : then it pumped
[2016-11-01 22:34:20] wurstgelee : $$$
[2016-11-01 22:34:27] wurstgelee : mined 4.05 zcash with 2.7 btc
[2016-11-01 22:34:27] orly : wurstgelee: nice :)
[2016-11-01 22:34:52] Apocalyptic : wurstgelee: on what hardware ?
[2016-11-01 22:35:07] wurstgelee : Apocalyptic: nicehash
[2016-11-01 22:35:09] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 22:35:21] wurstgelee : just bought hashes
[2016-11-01 22:35:23] wurstgelee : clean and eay
[2016-11-01 22:35:24] Apocalyptic : you bought their clould mining stuff ?
[2016-11-01 22:35:26] wurstgelee : easy
[2016-11-01 22:35:29] wurstgelee : nooo
[2016-11-01 22:35:35] wurstgelee : regular hashes on their open market
[2016-11-01 22:35:38] john1243 : it seems as though about 10% of all mined coins end up on polo sell side
[2016-11-01 22:36:07] negamax : john1243: what happens to other 90%, no one is holding zec
[2016-11-01 22:36:12] negamax : I hope
[2016-11-01 22:36:14] wurstgelee : i have a 25kSol/s order running for ~ 1:40h atm
[2016-11-01 22:36:21] wurstgelee : will be 3h total
[2016-11-01 22:36:32] john1243 : if it keeps up, sell side would be 32,400 by the end of december
[2016-11-01 22:36:38] negamax : wurstgelee: is mining still profitable?
[2016-11-01 22:36:50] wurstgelee : negamax: doesnt look like it atm
[2016-11-01 22:36:55] wurstgelee : not really at least
[2016-11-01 22:37:10] Apocalyptic : wurstgelee: how much btc for a kSol/s ?
[2016-11-01 22:37:18] orly : wurstgelee: wait, who sells the "hashes" there? do users get to sell their own computing power too?
[2016-11-01 22:37:37] orly : or is it just the providers cloud capacity being sold?
[2016-11-01 22:37:38] Apocalyptic : orly: people who point their hardware to nicehash
[2016-11-01 22:37:52] orly : oic
[2016-11-01 22:37:59] wurstgelee : Apocalyptic: burning 1.2
[2016-11-01 22:38:06] wurstgelee : its expensive atm
[2016-11-01 22:38:12] wurstgelee : paid 1/3 yesterday
[2016-11-01 22:38:51] negamax : wurstgelee: isn't zec emission rising; so may be you get more coins?
[2016-11-01 22:38:59] wurstgelee : orly: miners provide hashes, buyers pay them and direct them to some pool
[2016-11-01 22:39:07] wurstgelee : negamax: nethash is also up
[2016-11-01 22:39:22] wurstgelee : diff is up
[2016-11-01 22:39:31] wurstgelee : its not looking good currently
[2016-11-01 22:39:35] wurstgelee : sec
[2016-11-01 22:39:45] Apocalyptic : diff is at ath I believe
[2016-11-01 22:40:02] Apocalyptic : yeah just below 100k
[2016-11-01 22:40:55] wurstgelee : .2something zec with .59 btc burned
[2016-11-01 22:41:05] wurstgelee : not looking good
[2016-11-01 22:41:14] Apocalyptic : negamax: it is
[2016-11-01 22:41:19] Apocalyptic : diff just rises faster
[2016-11-01 22:42:06] orly : I heard diff failed to rise at the expected rates early on and there were more blocks produced
[2016-11-01 22:42:15] orly : maybe it's stabilising now?
[2016-11-01 22:42:47] wurstgelee : it didnt fail but hashrate increased just too fast
[2016-11-01 22:43:05] wurstgelee : diff follows but cant keep up with the pace
[2016-11-01 22:43:21] wurstgelee : thats why initial blocks went faster than usual
[2016-11-01 22:43:31] wurstgelee : it worked as designed
[2016-11-01 22:43:58] wurstgelee : diff adjustment takes some time on extreme hashrate changes, that is all
[2016-11-01 22:44:05] Apocalyptic : similar to the instamine effect
[2016-11-01 22:44:08] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-01 22:44:15] wurstgelee : exactly the same tbh
[2016-11-01 22:44:19] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-11-01 22:44:49] wurstgelee : altho i dont know which adjustment zec uses
[2016-11-01 22:44:51] john1243 : still think we'll see a capitulation within the next week, prices below 1 btc
[2016-11-01 22:45:18] wurstgelee : john1243: it will happen, sooner or later. ofc
[2016-11-01 22:45:41] rapidtrades : think of it this way....we can go up or down its 50/50
[2016-11-01 22:45:43] wurstgelee : but it wont just dump and die anytime soon
[2016-11-01 22:45:57] rapidtrades : if we go up u get paid 4x plus extra
[2016-11-01 22:46:02] wurstgelee : like so many expect it to do
[2016-11-01 22:46:13] wurstgelee : no .1 anytime soon
[2016-11-01 22:46:14] rapidtrades : if we go down prices need to fall 80% for u to make a profit here on dec30
[2016-11-01 22:46:27] wurstgelee : *soon being dec 30 in that cas
[2016-11-01 22:46:31] wurstgelee : *e
[2016-11-01 22:46:35] Apocalyptic : wurstgelee: If you want some long-term hash for zec I can sell some for a much better price than you're paying atm
[2016-11-01 22:46:50] wurstgelee : Apocalyptic: i really dont mine but thanks
[2016-11-01 22:47:00] john1243 : well I could see it being 0.1 BTC on Dec 30th
[2016-11-01 22:47:03] wurstgelee : it really was a test that escalated because of easy profits ;)
[2016-11-01 22:47:09] Apocalyptic : np
[2016-11-01 22:47:14] wurstgelee : i mined a few alts a while ago now and then
[2016-11-01 22:47:19] wurstgelee : but never since
[2016-11-01 22:47:48] wurstgelee : trading i can manage while at work
[2016-11-01 22:47:53] wurstgelee : mining as well is too much
[2016-11-01 22:47:55] john1243 : that would give it a 30 million marketcap
[2016-11-01 22:47:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 22:48:09] wurstgelee : john1243: not enough ;)
[2016-11-01 22:48:46] Apocalyptic : wurstgelee:you just have to monitor hashrate graphs, much less ressource-consuming than trading imo :)
[2016-11-01 22:49:04] wurstgelee : john1243: why does litecoin have a marketcap of 200m?
[2016-11-01 22:49:09] john1243 : wurstgelee: how so? 1 feature, no wallets, no fiat injections?
[2016-11-01 22:49:22] orly : Apocalyptic: in my experience the most profitable mining is all about timing
[2016-11-01 22:49:28] wurstgelee : Apocalyptic: yeah i know, but that would be too much ;)
[2016-11-01 22:49:36] orly : Apocalyptic: be quick on coin release, hard forks, etc, which is kinda hands on
[2016-11-01 22:49:38] john1243 : wurstgelee: because it's mining generates 30k USD a day
[2016-11-01 22:49:46] wurstgelee : i ahve enough on my plate and adding more would end up in stress. i hate stress
[2016-11-01 22:49:47] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 22:49:58] wurstgelee : john1243: mining generates?
[2016-11-01 22:50:01] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-11-01 22:50:07] wurstgelee : thats because of the price
[2016-11-01 22:50:07] john1243 : wurstgelee: and it's had a very long adoption
[2016-11-01 22:50:23] wurstgelee : not the reason for the price
[2016-11-01 22:50:32] wurstgelee : adoption? where?
[2016-11-01 22:50:33] public username 321 : ltc besides btc is the only coin that actually acts as money - the rest of coins is toycoins
[2016-11-01 22:50:37] wurstgelee : besides traders`?
[2016-11-01 22:50:43] Apocalyptic : "i hate stress" // you must love trading then
[2016-11-01 22:50:44] john1243 : wurstgelee: I mean that the amount mining generates in sell pressure isn't meaningful
[2016-11-01 22:50:59] wurstgelee : john1243: oh ok, yeah, did get u wrong
[2016-11-01 22:51:09] wurstgelee : Apocalyptic: thats positive stress
[2016-11-01 22:51:12] Apocalyptic : heh
[2016-11-01 22:51:15] wurstgelee : its relaxing tbh
[2016-11-01 22:51:17] Apocalyptic : I can see that
[2016-11-01 22:51:18] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 22:51:52] rapidtrades : aaaaand now one hour passed and ur both dumber then before this discussion started
[2016-11-01 22:52:16] wurstgelee : ill stop talking about zec now so that the order-filling can be resumed
[2016-11-01 22:52:18] wurstgelee : thanks ;)
[2016-11-01 22:54:55] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: do u confirm that we have healthy ZEC deposits and withdrawals?
[2016-11-01 22:56:14] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: i just had a healthy crispy duck with hot curry and rice. it was tasty but i am a bit worried about the withdrawal tomorrow now because it was a really, really ot curry.
[2016-11-01 22:56:22] wurstgelee : *halth crispy duck deposit
[2016-11-01 22:56:31] wurstgelee : *healthy ffs
[2016-11-01 22:57:20] rapidtrades : well glad we have that criteria checked off the list
[2016-11-01 22:57:24] wurstgelee : also i can confirm that bitmex admins dont care for my confirms so its rather pointless what and if i cinform
[2016-11-01 22:57:28] wurstgelee : confirm also
[2016-11-01 22:57:46] orly : rapidtrades: we barely have any ZEC and pretty much the only reason for withdrawal is arbitrage
[2016-11-01 22:57:54] orly : would you consider that healthy? :)
[2016-11-01 22:58:13] wurstgelee : the problem is....what defines what is healthy?
[2016-11-01 22:58:24] wurstgelee : thats a vague, soft criteria
[2016-11-01 22:58:27] wurstgelee : i hate that
[2016-11-01 22:58:30] orly : crispy ducks are healthy.
[2016-11-01 22:58:32] wurstgelee : give me numbers ffs
[2016-11-01 22:58:42] rapidtrades : dec 1st :)
[2016-11-01 22:58:47] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: haha
[2016-11-01 22:58:48] wurstgelee : n1
[2016-11-01 22:58:50] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 22:59:38] wurstgelee : meanwhile btc sitting at 5k and i am bored. tells you something about how far we have come
[2016-11-01 22:59:45] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-11-01 23:00:02] wurstgelee : or about me and how far i have come tbh
[2016-11-01 23:00:10] wurstgelee : not sure
[2016-11-01 23:00:36] wurstgelee : time for WW ep5
[2016-11-01 23:02:32] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: just starting to get into that, it's pretty cool
[2016-11-01 23:02:50] wurstgelee : it is ;)
[2016-11-01 23:03:34] habibi : wurstgelee: could u expand WW ?
[2016-11-01 23:03:54] wurstgelee : westworld
[2016-11-01 23:04:19] wurstgelee : hbo production
[2016-11-01 23:04:25] wurstgelee : really great so far
[2016-11-01 23:04:29] rapidtrades : ZEC is crack
[2016-11-01 23:07:43] orly : wurstgelee: there's also humans s02 and black mirror if you're bored :p
[2016-11-01 23:08:03] wurstgelee : i watched humans s01 .. ;)
[2016-11-01 23:08:12] negamax : I have watched few episodes of black mirror, it's really underrated
[2016-11-01 23:08:25] wurstgelee : didnt touch that yet, maybe i should
[2016-11-01 23:08:40] orly : definitely, probably the best show i've seen
[2016-11-01 23:08:57] wurstgelee : ok, now it has my attention
[2016-11-01 23:09:04] wurstgelee : thats a bold statement
[2016-11-01 23:09:06] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 23:09:22] negamax : s1 e2, kind of reflects today's society in a twisted way
[2016-11-01 23:10:04] orly : that's true of pretty much all episodes
[2016-11-01 23:10:35] negamax : true..
[2016-11-01 23:10:55] numero : the condo development I live in reminds me a lot of the building in black mirror - episode 2
[2016-11-01 23:11:01] orly : but s01e02 is indeed one of the better eps :)
[2016-11-01 23:17:11] javierstone : so if i have a short at 727 entry and i order anotehr short at the current 730.27 what does that do overall
[2016-11-01 23:17:26] NL007 : There have been sightings of a strange green light in the sky over eastern Japan
[2016-11-01 23:17:38] NL007 : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37843273?ocid=socialflow_twitter
[2016-11-01 23:17:49] NL007 : Alien invasion
[2016-11-01 23:17:52] NL007 : lol
[2016-11-01 23:18:35] NL007 : Zec is coming
[2016-11-01 23:19:45] negamax : low orbit satellite most likely
[2016-11-01 23:19:50] Apocalyptic : "definitely, probably the best show i've seen" I concur
[2016-11-01 23:20:12] NL007 : everything is possible
[2016-11-01 23:20:26] Apocalyptic : nothing comes close to black mirror
[2016-11-01 23:20:53] negamax : after all this talk I am watching next episode s2 e2 :)
[2016-11-01 23:21:03] NL007 : The walking is also very good
[2016-11-01 23:21:08] NL007 : dead
[2016-11-01 23:21:50] Apocalyptic : negamax: did you see the white christmas special episode ?
[2016-11-01 23:22:57] negamax : Apocalyptic: I am watching it sequentially; haven't come across to that yet; which season?
[2016-11-01 23:23:44] Apocalyptic : it has no season, was released between the second and third I think
[2016-11-01 23:24:03] negamax : s2 e4.. hmm I only have upto 3; I will download it; thanks for mentioning it
[2016-11-01 23:25:02] Apocalyptic : np, it's hard to rank them, but it could be the best episode imo
[2016-11-01 23:28:53] wurstgelee : welcome to TvMEX
[2016-11-01 23:28:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 23:29:53] orly : i guess crypto people generally care about tech and society? kinda makes sense
[2016-11-01 23:29:54] NL007 : wurstgelee: :)
[2016-11-01 23:33:25] messiaen8844 : black mirror <3
[2016-11-02 00:00:14] viptrader : what's going on here
[2016-11-02 00:00:27] viptrader : when there is a spread between mark price and actual price
[2016-11-02 00:00:34] viptrader : is my entry price correct?
[2016-11-02 00:02:37] jordanbitfort : dont look at mark unless you're getting liquidated
[2016-11-02 00:04:01] martinium : Black Mirror new season was legit
[2016-11-02 00:06:19] negamax : so I just finished s2 e2.. dark really dark!
[2016-11-02 00:06:57] Apocalyptic : martinium: what's your favourite ?
[2016-11-02 00:07:03] Apocalyptic : from s3
[2016-11-02 00:11:39] micmix : viptrader: entry price is always correct. only entry price and exit price matters for your profit, mark price is used only for liquidations
[2016-11-02 00:13:06] javierstone : here she comes down now
[2016-11-02 00:14:07] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: thank you very much for fixing the Realised PNL hover!
[2016-11-02 00:18:51] Carlos : what's the best laverage?
[2016-11-02 00:19:12] Apocalyptic : depends on your risk profile
[2016-11-02 00:20:48] Carlos : I have 0.5345 XBT
[2016-11-02 00:29:55] javierstone : china sell off inbound
[2016-11-02 00:33:07] imabeast : wurstgelee: westworld is nice
[2016-11-02 00:35:23] zanza : anyone Walking Dead ?
[2016-11-02 00:37:01] micmix : Carlos: use something lower than 50x. It's very easy to get liquidated on 50x and 100x
[2016-11-02 00:37:49] rapidtrades : bitmex needs to think about adding amendable tp and sl
[2016-11-02 00:37:58] rapidtrades : like on the actual order itself
[2016-11-02 00:38:05] rapidtrades : i mean position
[2016-11-02 00:38:24] rapidtrades : i think most newbs use the liq price as a stoploss
[2016-11-02 00:39:11] Carlos : micmix: Thanks Im new in this, someone kwon where I can see tutorial videos?
[2016-11-02 00:40:56] micmix : Carlos: https://www.youtube.com/user/BitMEXdotcom
[2016-11-02 00:42:01] micmix : Carlos: also read https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2016-11-02 00:42:04] Carlos : micmix: thx so much
[2016-11-02 00:42:58] rapidtrades : a Trump win will be a nice buying opportunity
[2016-11-02 00:43:14] rapidtrades : for stocks...cos all the idiots will panic sell like they did on Brexit
[2016-11-02 00:45:18] rapidtrades : no doubt some idiot will knee-jerk buy BTC too, like they did on Brexit
[2016-11-02 00:46:20] rapidtrades : btw PBOC in 30mins...we could see some volatility
[2016-11-02 00:49:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 30 @ 0.01504
[2016-11-02 00:51:03] javierstone : chinese exchanges are dropping
[2016-11-02 00:53:44] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: what about shorting before the election ? too risky if Clinton wins ?
[2016-11-02 00:53:47] rapidtrades : Kraken on ZEC Margin: Coming soon – stay tuned for details!
[2016-11-02 00:54:06] rapidtrades : Apocalyptic: yes Clinton is a major favorite
[2016-11-02 00:58:54] orly : you guys should elect one of the black mirror writers for us president
[2016-11-02 00:59:09] orly : unlike these two clowns, at least they seem to have some idea about the kinds of issues humanity is facing
[2016-11-02 01:00:20] rapidtrades : i wonder if chinese futures echanges will jump oon the altcoin train
[2016-11-02 01:00:53] javierstone : what is PBOC announcing? interest rate?
[2016-11-02 01:02:16] kryptopojken : javierstone: the currency fixing against dollar
[2016-11-02 01:02:19] kryptopojken : when is it though?
[2016-11-02 01:02:26] rapidtrades : in 13 mins
[2016-11-02 01:02:44] javierstone : what does that mean? they'll set the value of the yuan?
[2016-11-02 01:02:52] kryptopojken : yes
[2016-11-02 01:03:03] kryptopojken : when is the announcement?
[2016-11-02 01:03:04] javierstone : do people expect it to go up or down
[2016-11-02 01:03:21] kryptopojken : if CNY gets weaker, btc goes up
[2016-11-02 01:03:27] kryptopojken : i dont know expectations
[2016-11-02 01:03:50] rapidtrades : I expect to see a stronger Yuan today cos of the weak dollar
[2016-11-02 01:04:53] rapidtrades : i'm not trading on the number but it could be a catalyst for volatility
[2016-11-02 01:04:58] kryptopojken : what time do they announce though
[2016-11-02 01:05:11] mjmj83 : hey guys, wts up?
[2016-11-02 01:08:19] javierstone : if i have a short with an entry price of 727 rn and i order another short at the current price of 730.29 what will that do?
[2016-11-02 01:08:33] javierstone : er what will it cost me?
[2016-11-02 01:09:23] rapidtrades : by cost u mean entry price or what
[2016-11-02 01:09:58] AudibleScience : javierstone: 0.075% if you do it as a taker
[2016-11-02 01:10:10] Apocalyptic : EURUSD looks like it wants to take a dive
[2016-11-02 01:10:30] javierstone : what does it mean "as a taker" @AudibleScience
[2016-11-02 01:10:58] AudibleScience : and -0.025% of the notional as a maker
[2016-11-02 01:10:58] rapidtrades : Apocalyptic: looks super-bullish on 1h tbh
[2016-11-02 01:11:45] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: my tu is 10 min
[2016-11-02 01:13:32] AudibleScience : javierstone: maker/taker fees, here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-11-02 01:16:20] rapidtrades : PBOC sets yuan reference rate for today at 6.7562 (vs. yesterday at 6.7734)
[2016-11-02 01:16:35] rapidtrades : stronger Yuan, as I expected
[2016-11-02 01:21:55] rapidtrades : some idiot dumped like 100 ZEC on polo
[2016-11-02 01:22:44] rapidtrades : my bad, 65....bad chart on polo
[2016-11-02 01:23:32] Apocalyptic : lol
[2016-11-02 01:24:00] rapidtrades : dumping will be over soon, prolly same idiot
[2016-11-02 01:24:29] Apocalyptic : I'm all for dumping, it lowers miners' interest in mining zec
[2016-11-02 01:26:03] rapidtrades : another 40 zec dumped in the next 5 mins
[2016-11-02 01:26:08] rapidtrades : seems too heavy to go on
[2016-11-02 01:38:25] viptrader : how much time can i hold a btc X100 trade
[2016-11-02 01:38:34] viptrader : dec 30, and perputual swap
[2016-11-02 01:38:39] viptrader : what's the difference
[2016-11-02 01:40:18] sleger : viptrader: one ends on dec 30 and one is perpetual
[2016-11-02 01:40:28] sleger : were the name not explicit enough ?
[2016-11-02 01:40:35] viptrader : what does perpetual means
[2016-11-02 01:41:00] sleger : viptrader: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=perpetual
[2016-11-02 01:41:05] john1243 : google has the answer to that question
[2016-11-02 01:41:16] sleger : john1243: i think i win
[2016-11-02 01:41:33] viptrader : you pay 0.375% fee every 2 hours
[2016-11-02 01:41:38] viptrader : ?
[2016-11-02 01:41:41] sleger : viptrader: no i dont
[2016-11-02 01:42:00] viptrader : funding rate
[2016-11-02 01:42:08] sleger : that's only for pink chat nicknames
[2016-11-02 01:42:12] sleger : greens receive it
[2016-11-02 01:42:14] john1243 : sleger: you do win
[2016-11-02 01:42:29] viptrader : greens?
[2016-11-02 01:42:37] sleger : viptrader: yes look at my color
[2016-11-02 01:42:40] sleger : then look at yours
[2016-11-02 01:42:43] rapidtrades : yeah we're VIP
[2016-11-02 01:42:46] sleger : you pay, I receive
[2016-11-02 01:43:00] viptrader : how is that
[2016-11-02 01:43:07] viptrader : r u lending btc
[2016-11-02 01:43:13] sleger : well rapid is super green, but that's because he's been banned 3 times
[2016-11-02 01:43:32] sleger : no, just depends when you registered here @viptrader
[2016-11-02 01:44:02] viptrader : r u trolling me
[2016-11-02 01:44:19] john1243 : no, I have to pay them too
[2016-11-02 01:44:23] numero : viptrader: are you short? I think you are receiving, if you are short
[2016-11-02 01:44:41] viptrader : im short
[2016-11-02 01:44:49] viptrader : yes, then im recieving money
[2016-11-02 01:44:50] john1243 : it's how it works around here
[2016-11-02 01:44:52] viptrader : ?
[2016-11-02 01:45:06] rapidtrades : wow 1.38
[2016-11-02 01:45:07] john1243 : no, you are paying the greens
[2016-11-02 01:45:14] rapidtrades : this worthless shitcoin
[2016-11-02 01:45:14] numero : well, if you're still short in 2 hours
[2016-11-02 01:45:26] viptrader : i need to make a X100 trade and leave it for 5-7 days
[2016-11-02 01:45:36] viptrader : will i get rekt on fees or something?
[2016-11-02 01:45:38] numero : lol
[2016-11-02 01:45:52] viptrader : ?
[2016-11-02 01:45:55] viptrader : numero:
[2016-11-02 01:46:06] john1243 : what is your stop-loss?
[2016-11-02 01:46:11] rapidtrades : viptrader: look at ur liquidation price
[2016-11-02 01:46:12] numero : don't tell the trolls that part ;)
[2016-11-02 01:46:30] viptrader : my liquadation price is good
[2016-11-02 01:46:40] viptrader : but it keep increasing
[2016-11-02 01:46:41] viptrader : weird
[2016-11-02 01:46:59] viptrader : it was 736 first, now 738
[2016-11-02 01:47:00] john1243 : that is because you are paying the greens
[2016-11-02 01:47:07] sleger : viptrader: every time you dont use google for stupid questions your liquidation price becomes closer
[2016-11-02 01:47:17] rapidtrades : he's short
[2016-11-02 01:47:39] rapidtrades : viptrader: u got paid 0.375%
[2016-11-02 01:47:48] viptrader : rapidtrades: thnx
[2016-11-02 01:47:49] viptrader : ok
[2016-11-02 01:48:35] rapidtrades : u can't leave positions on here without checking because funding can change and u can get ADL in the meantime
[2016-11-02 01:49:17] john1243 : wow, 1.35 now
[2016-11-02 01:49:20] viptrader : adl?
[2016-11-02 01:49:31] viptrader : wtf is this
[2016-11-02 01:49:32] john1243 : big drop
[2016-11-02 01:49:39] sleger : viptrader: after comes bem
[2016-11-02 01:49:50] john1243 : age, date, location
[2016-11-02 01:50:30] viptrader : location of what
[2016-11-02 01:51:18] rapidtrades : ask support these ppl are idiots @viptrader
[2016-11-02 01:51:31] viptrader : rapidtrades: agree
[2016-11-02 01:51:36] numero : viptrader: you got ADLed?
[2016-11-02 01:52:23] sleger : numero: stop making stuff up, ADLed, what's next DKTed ??
[2016-11-02 01:52:28] rapidtrades : shitcoin dropped 20% in half-hour
[2016-11-02 01:52:44] john1243 : my mom got ADL'd
[2016-11-02 01:53:16] numero : this is what happens when a noob tries to help a noob I guess :)
[2016-11-02 01:53:18] sleger : did she get ZEK't ?
[2016-11-02 01:53:33] numero : we all got ZECed
[2016-11-02 01:53:35] john1243 : sleger: twice
[2016-11-02 01:54:00] sleger : was that because she liked CAP?
[2016-11-02 01:54:33] rapidtrades : i get triggered whenever i read cap now
[2016-11-02 01:57:10] Rado : sup boyz
[2016-11-02 01:59:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.374901
[2016-11-02 02:05:55] Rado : not much long liquidations on ZEC
[2016-11-02 02:06:12] Rado : is everyone short?
[2016-11-02 02:10:10] imabeast : yo wth ! my position disappeared for btc
[2016-11-02 02:11:43] micmix : imabeast: REKT or ADL, check your emails
[2016-11-02 02:11:57] imabeast : no neither
[2016-11-02 02:12:01] imabeast : shit just disappeared....
[2016-11-02 02:12:13] imabeast : i was long at 731.67 with 50x leverage
[2016-11-02 02:12:20] imabeast : and it just disappeared without notice
[2016-11-02 02:12:22] imabeast : btc
[2016-11-02 02:12:43] lockhedge : then you are a lucky guy
[2016-11-02 02:12:48] micmix : not possible, check your trade history
[2016-11-02 02:12:50] BitMEX_Greg : imabeast: If you were liquidated or autodeleveraged, then you would have received an email
[2016-11-02 02:12:58] imabeast : i didnt get either
[2016-11-02 02:12:58] micmix : maybe you had stop loss?
[2016-11-02 02:13:25] imabeast : my liquidation was at 723
[2016-11-02 02:13:37] micmix : then you were liquidated
[2016-11-02 02:13:41] imabeast : BitMEX_Greg: can you check please
[2016-11-02 02:13:51] imabeast : it didnt even hit 723
[2016-11-02 02:14:32] micmix : you paid funding once or twice, liq price went up, you were liquidated
[2016-11-02 02:14:37] BitMEX_Greg : imabeast: are you looking at last price or Mark Price?
[2016-11-02 02:15:07] imabeast : there is nothing in my transaction history
[2016-11-02 02:15:17] BitMEX_Greg : imabeast: Mark price right now is 723.87 and has gone lower. If you were liquidated a liquidation would have been sent to the email address you signed up with on the system
[2016-11-02 02:15:44] Rado : also your balance will be lower
[2016-11-02 02:15:53] micmix : imabeast: did you check https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-11-02 02:16:20] Rado : micmix: how is it going
[2016-11-02 02:16:35] imabeast : BitMEX_Greg: okay
[2016-11-02 02:16:39] imabeast : yea i was looking at wrong email
[2016-11-02 02:16:44] imabeast : gdamnit
[2016-11-02 02:16:45] micmix : Rado: pretty god, thanks. what about you?
[2016-11-02 02:16:46] BitMEX_Greg : imabeast: np
[2016-11-02 02:16:49] micmix : * good
[2016-11-02 02:16:58] Rado : great
[2016-11-02 02:17:08] Rado : want to create an MM bot
[2016-11-02 02:17:14] Rado : no idea where to start
[2016-11-02 02:17:18] Rado : was going to ask you
[2016-11-02 02:18:50] imabeast : BitMEX_Greg: wait so how do i figure out how much i lost? i put in 1btc at 731
[2016-11-02 02:20:25] BitMEX_Greg : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-11-02 02:20:29] BitMEX_Greg : have a look in the Transaction History
[2016-11-02 02:20:36] BitMEX_Greg : where it says RealisedPNL
[2016-11-02 02:20:49] imabeast : o ok not that bad
[2016-11-02 02:20:52] imabeast : i thought i lost a lot lol
[2016-11-02 02:21:28] micmix : Rado: check https://blog.bitmex.com/how-to-market-make-bitcoin-derivatives-lesson-1/
[2016-11-02 02:22:46] micmix : Rado: and https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker
[2016-11-02 02:28:09] rapidtrades : ok bak to 1.5...not bad
[2016-11-02 02:28:47] Rado : micmix: Thanks
[2016-11-02 02:29:29] Rado : rapidtrades: 1.5, but only 0.35 here
[2016-11-02 02:29:46] Rado : I have bids to cover yet another short
[2016-11-02 02:30:06] Rado : I am starting to like ZEC
[2016-11-02 02:30:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 610 @ 0.01519
[2016-11-02 02:31:48] rapidtrades : yeah here we're 5 cents from the lows but on polo prices are over 2 times above the lows
[2016-11-02 02:31:53] rapidtrades : the gap is getting wider
[2016-11-02 02:32:03] Rado : yes
[2016-11-02 02:32:22] Rado : were you able to close some on the pump yesterday?
[2016-11-02 02:32:40] rapidtrades : im not closing until we match polo
[2016-11-02 02:32:59] rapidtrades : so no :)
[2016-11-02 02:33:58] rapidtrades : Rado: if polo or kraken introduces margin trading we're gonna have a 400% arb opportunity here
[2016-11-02 02:34:47] Rado : rapidtrades: so short on Kraken and buy here?
[2016-11-02 02:35:16] rapidtrades : Rado: exactly
[2016-11-02 02:36:06] Rado : if Polo enables margin I will start my bot on ZEC
[2016-11-02 02:36:19] j8 : cost to borrow could be similiar, then no arb @rapidtrades
[2016-11-02 02:36:38] javierstone : how do you remove indicators from the chart
[2016-11-02 02:36:41] rapidtrades : j8: ha....i rly doubt cost to borrow will be 1600% per annum
[2016-11-02 02:36:51] rapidtrades : sry that's 2000%
[2016-11-02 02:37:03] Rado : javierstone: I don't think you can
[2016-11-02 02:37:13] micmix : I expect ZEC lending rate will be over 5% daily
[2016-11-02 02:37:22] j8 : could be, there's a shortage of supply, i mean i really don't think ZEC is worth over 1 btc either
[2016-11-02 02:37:53] j8 : the future being at such a discount is the market saying the exact same thing
[2016-11-02 02:38:18] rapidtrades : the future is caped and marked to last, it's not an actual future
[2016-11-02 02:38:21] javierstone : i accidentally added a few and now ic an't get rid of them
[2016-11-02 02:38:22] rapidtrades : it's a put option
[2016-11-02 02:38:31] arbitrage001 : j8: from time to time, market expectation can be wrong
[2016-11-02 02:39:12] rapidtrades : volume here is tiny compared to polo, u can't tell me all those guys are wrong but this crippled market got it right
[2016-11-02 02:39:17] j8 : of course, but it could be wrong the other way too. your arb could backfire if cost to borrow spikes
[2016-11-02 02:39:23] Rado : javierstone: oh I thought you mean the one that are there by default
[2016-11-02 02:39:32] Rado : you can remove the one you added
[2016-11-02 02:39:41] javierstone : how
[2016-11-02 02:39:43] j8 : rapidtrades: they're not wrong, since we can't see the borrow cost
[2016-11-02 02:39:44] rapidtrades : guess we'll see, I don't think either are close to adding margin
[2016-11-02 02:39:48] javierstone : when i click it, it adds another one
[2016-11-02 02:39:53] javierstone : my shit is fukt
[2016-11-02 02:39:55] Rado : click on the x where they are listed on the top left
[2016-11-02 02:40:25] arbitrage001 : j8: uncertainty also create huge discount/premium for the risk takers
[2016-11-02 02:41:33] j8 : anyway a huge discount and high lending rate makes complete sense given the massive difference in inflation rates
[2016-11-02 02:42:35] rapidtrades : the inflation argument only makes sense if u know how much inflation is already priced in right now
[2016-11-02 02:42:43] rapidtrades : which u don't so it's a stupid argument
[2016-11-02 02:46:28] lockhedge : the inflation argument makes sense because demand has to increase at the same speed as supply to hold the spot price
[2016-11-02 02:46:53] j8 : -75% by end of december is the information i have
[2016-11-02 02:47:20] j8 : i don't consider that "wrong" or think i know better
[2016-11-02 02:48:47] Rado : the demand for BTC has been increasing with the increasing suply
[2016-11-02 02:49:06] Rado : I don't think BTC inflation had a big effect on the price
[2016-11-02 02:50:26] rapidtrades : is there no other way to sell ZEC without already owning it? options, mining, whatever
[2016-11-02 02:50:35] arbitrage001 : any new coin that preceived to be better than btc can just replace it
[2016-11-02 02:50:45] arbitrage001 : infrastructure is mostly in place
[2016-11-02 02:51:05] rapidtrades : it doesn't have to replace BTC just do better then XMR
[2016-11-02 02:51:10] arbitrage001 : dont forget finex, polo, kraken offer zcash trading right from the start
[2016-11-02 02:51:28] arbitrage001 : that say a lot about the expectation
[2016-11-02 02:51:31] rapidtrades : which is basically their competitor in the anon space
[2016-11-02 02:51:47] rapidtrades : yes this is the most hyped coin ever
[2016-11-02 02:52:09] Apocalyptic : given the shielding transaction are reported not to work it's not much of a competition atm
[2016-11-02 02:52:27] miramm1115 : guys, you are talking about supply/demand, inflation etc. altcoin market is 100% manipulated, fundamentals don't matter much