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[2016-11-01 00:16:59] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-11-01 00:17:00] wurstgelee : also
[2016-11-01 00:17:04] wurstgelee : laisee: no way
[2016-11-01 00:17:07] wurstgelee : i love my job
[2016-11-01 00:17:09] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:17:15] zanza : congrats on your casino wins
[2016-11-01 00:17:17] wurstgelee : i can trade all day...it admin
[2016-11-01 00:17:18] wurstgelee : :P
[2016-11-01 00:17:39] CapitalGains : Congrats! Just don't fall victim to the gambler's curse - cash in on a lot of the profit and put it somewhere safer. Not all of it, of course.
[2016-11-01 00:17:40] wurstgelee : zanza: i was casino, nothing else
[2016-11-01 00:17:52] laisee : heh, I work IT also. Quite flexible re usee of tablets and phones for trading
[2016-11-01 00:18:04] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: i have witdrawn >80% the next day
[2016-11-01 00:18:07] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:18:20] wurstgelee : laisee: yep
[2016-11-01 00:18:23] wurstgelee : indeed
[2016-11-01 00:18:39] wurstgelee : 2 displays for work and 1 for bitmex/charts
[2016-11-01 00:18:40] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:18:50] laisee : ;-)
[2016-11-01 00:18:51] EA_FTW : Cool, I'm going to cashout my winnings for a change (normally just increase my ETH holdings)
[2016-11-01 00:19:03] nope : zanza: i don't gamble, but i will go all in on sure things, this was the closest thing to a layup i've ever seen in my life, and i've been trading since the dotcom bust in the late 90's
[2016-11-01 00:19:14] CapitalGains : Good good. I haven't hit my target profit, but once I do I'm going to withdraw a chunk to good old fiat.
[2016-11-01 00:19:28] CapitalGains : nope: what's a layup?
[2016-11-01 00:19:59] wurstgelee : something rare i'd assume ;)
[2016-11-01 00:20:26] zanza : an easy shot
[2016-11-01 00:20:29] EA_FTW : Hmm, only 10BTC to 2.5.. has it got anymore legs?
[2016-11-01 00:20:33] nope : wurstgelee: american basketball, easiest points you can get
[2016-11-01 00:20:35] laisee : nah, its the easiest shot in basketball game.
[2016-11-01 00:20:46] wurstgelee : nope: right :)
[2016-11-01 00:21:29] wurstgelee : thats why i know someone lost a shitload btw. i had a bunch of longs open since .7 or something and they all got ADL @ 8.something iirc
[2016-11-01 00:21:30] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:21:50] CapitalGains : Jealous ;)
[2016-11-01 00:22:09] wurstgelee : i would be 2 tbh
[2016-11-01 00:22:26] wurstgelee : so, a big part of that was luck anyways...expected adl way earlier.
[2016-11-01 00:22:32] wurstgelee : but hey, its a casino ;)
[2016-11-01 00:22:39] wurstgelee : you need luck sometimes
[2016-11-01 00:23:06] CapitalGains : Or no pre-mine, in this case
[2016-11-01 00:23:11] wurstgelee : hehe, yep
[2016-11-01 00:23:32] wurstgelee : it helped that i was convinced from day 1 that this would happen. ;)
[2016-11-01 00:23:54] EA_FTW : 23/24.. seems to be teetering on a knife edge
[2016-11-01 00:23:58] wurstgelee : well, not exactly this, but i expected 5 btc as peak or sth
[2016-11-01 00:24:05] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: oohhh
[2016-11-01 00:24:07] wurstgelee : mom
[2016-11-01 00:24:18] EA_FTW : everyone's waiting
[2016-11-01 00:24:43] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: dumped
[2016-11-01 00:24:45] wurstgelee : thank you
[2016-11-01 00:24:52] wurstgelee : i forgot ;)
[2016-11-01 00:25:54] nope : can someone dump this to the low 30's so I can break even and go to the titty bar?
[2016-11-01 00:25:59] coingreed : wurstgelee: hey if i may now what are you guys talking about ? is it zec
[2016-11-01 00:26:09] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-01 00:26:12] sleger : coingreed: no factom
[2016-11-01 00:26:12] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: np. Gosh this is a long block!
[2016-11-01 00:26:27] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: 2 will hold :)
[2016-11-01 00:27:39] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: dumped at 2.18 :-) Mission accomplished!
[2016-11-01 00:27:58] CapitalGains : Good stuff.
[2016-11-01 00:28:02] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-01 00:28:02] EA_FTW : 1BTC -> 4.2BTC All in a day's work ;-)
[2016-11-01 00:28:13] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: thanks for the nicehash recommendation!
[2016-11-01 00:28:21] wurstgelee : np :)
[2016-11-01 00:28:33] wurstgelee : 1 to 4.2 is impressive
[2016-11-01 00:28:55] wurstgelee : well, thats happens when u patiently wait for your strategically well placed orders i guess
[2016-11-01 00:28:59] wurstgelee : *-s
[2016-11-01 00:29:58] coingreed : hey how long does btc deposit usually take here?
[2016-11-01 00:30:38] jordanbitfort : 2 hrs for me
[2016-11-01 00:30:39] wurstgelee : sooo...are we replaying that thing again tomorrow? bottomning all day .3 to .4, ADL party later? :p
[2016-11-01 00:32:21] laisee : then off to some t1tty bar ... ;-)
[2016-11-01 00:33:30] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-11-01 00:34:14] nope : lol
[2016-11-01 00:35:10] coingreed : wurstgelee: hey is the zec game still good?
[2016-11-01 00:35:15] laisee : life of a ZEC trader ... its not 4 everyone
[2016-11-01 00:35:31] wurstgelee : coingreed: mining?
[2016-11-01 00:35:35] wurstgelee : or here?
[2016-11-01 00:36:29] coingreed : wurstgelee: here
[2016-11-01 00:37:15] wurstgelee : coingreed: lol, dunno. :) but as long as there is no marking besides "last price" here, its likely we will see a replay soon i guess
[2016-11-01 00:38:16] wurstgelee : this has nothing to do with trading anyways, its pure gambling atm
[2016-11-01 00:39:22] coingreed : wurstgelee: yeah i know, do u do long for now or short?
[2016-11-01 00:39:35] coingreed : wait w
[2016-11-01 00:39:42] wurstgelee : i want to keep my btc
[2016-11-01 00:39:49] wurstgelee : i would never short zec atm
[2016-11-01 00:39:49] coingreed : what do u mean by marking?
[2016-11-01 00:40:11] wurstgelee : reference price is currently last price
[2016-11-01 00:40:21] wurstgelee : =price of last executed trade
[2016-11-01 00:40:37] wurstgelee : usually mark price is tied to some reference exchange or index
[2016-11-01 00:40:41] coingreed : wurstgelee: ohh okay
[2016-11-01 00:40:41] wurstgelee : usually polo for alts
[2016-11-01 00:41:20] wurstgelee : but apparently its unsafe to use polo as and index currently and its much safer to play "the game"
[2016-11-01 00:41:21] wurstgelee : :P
[2016-11-01 00:42:00] wurstgelee : for further informations, please ask one of the admins. i dont understand it ;)
[2016-11-01 00:42:34] coingreed : wurstgelee: Haha loll thanks for the input anyway
[2016-11-01 00:42:42] wurstgelee : np ;)
[2016-11-01 00:51:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 700.90 :punch: :whale:
[2016-11-01 01:03:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 110868 @ 703.77 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-11-01 01:03:26] chromaticcr1 : Every time there is a pump / dump in zec I am asleep. Seems like the whole game is targeting non-asian noobs
[2016-11-01 01:06:45] mjones : it's hard to get out of a big position if price is going the wrong direction on you
[2016-11-01 01:09:37] chromaticcr1 : mjones: just switch it to max leverage instead of cross, let the system handles the rest
[2016-11-01 01:13:29] jordanbitfort : you can do it BTC! about to start pushing highs again
[2016-11-01 01:32:20] BitMEX_Sam : FYI: new feature incoming; drag to amend price on the chart. More details soon
[2016-11-01 02:27:42] mjones : xbtz16 pumping
[2016-11-01 02:28:03] mjones : when shorts get trapped part 6
[2016-11-01 02:30:29] micmix : I'm short xbtz16 and I'm not worried
[2016-11-01 02:33:07] sleger : I was long and getting short now
[2016-11-01 02:33:34] micmix : 666 orders? ;-)
[2016-11-01 02:34:11] sleger : For good luck
[2016-11-01 02:35:01] blacktuesday : closed xbz16 long at 764
[2016-11-01 02:35:04] blacktuesday : :)
[2016-11-01 02:35:15] micmix : someone just bought 20k @ 764
[2016-11-01 02:35:26] blacktuesday : that was my sell :)
[2016-11-01 02:35:59] blacktuesday : I was long from the dip
[2016-11-01 02:36:02] micmix : and main MM back, hedged now I guess
[2016-11-01 02:37:30] sleger : Why did the premium go up so much?
[2016-11-01 02:38:26] blacktuesday : I have no idea, all of a sudden i saw it up over $10 and I put in a sell order :)
[2016-11-01 02:38:56] micmix : someone bought a sh1t ton
[2016-11-01 02:53:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 12500 @ 749.27
[2016-11-01 02:53:26] messiaen8844 : gee, what's that action on z16?
[2016-11-01 02:55:30] arbitrage001 : messiaen8844: premium was too high
[2016-11-01 02:55:36] arbitrage001 : trader noticed
[2016-11-01 02:55:43] arbitrage001 : and short/hedge more
[2016-11-01 02:56:12] arbitrage001 : messiaen8844: opps, wrong contract
[2016-11-01 02:58:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 610 @ 709.52
[2016-11-01 02:58:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1000 @ 710.56
[2016-11-01 02:58:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3000 @ 710.69
[2016-11-01 03:21:18] gafs : something there to talk about ?
[2016-11-01 03:23:20] chromaticcr1 : i guess everyone is tired after the pump few hours ago
[2016-11-01 03:23:49] chromaticcr1 : which i slept through... with my orders all filled :P
[2016-11-01 03:24:01] gafs : i made some profits
[2016-11-01 03:24:07] arbitrage001 : chromaticcr1: which contract? short or long?
[2016-11-01 03:24:09] gafs : 32%
[2016-11-01 03:24:30] gafs : i was long with full leverage
[2016-11-01 03:24:33] gafs : =P
[2016-11-01 03:24:44] chromaticcr1 : shorting all the way from 0.66 - 0.948
[2016-11-01 03:25:16] chromaticcr1 : the hidden long order at 0.4331 was me, this morning
[2016-11-01 03:25:45] chromaticcr1 : * i mean 2 hours ago, morning in HK
[2016-11-01 03:26:04] gafs : what coins you guys trade
[2016-11-01 03:26:06] arbitrage001 : closing short position?
[2016-11-01 03:26:18] arbitrage001 : gafs: zec
[2016-11-01 03:26:28] chromaticcr1 : yeah, partially
[2016-11-01 03:26:47] gafs : arbitrage001: the crazy zec,kk,it looks dangerous in the long run
[2016-11-01 03:26:51] QuantFocus : you guys this this btc run has been overextended?
[2016-11-01 03:26:59] arbitrage001 : gafs: only for short
[2016-11-01 03:27:15] arbitrage001 : gafs: unleveraged long can sleep thru the night
[2016-11-01 03:27:39] gafs : arbitrage001: i am new here
[2016-11-01 03:27:55] gafs : arbitrage001: i use poloniex,i am just trying for some days
[2016-11-01 03:28:18] arbitrage001 : gafs: have exp trading alt coin?
[2016-11-01 03:28:43] gafs : arbitrage001: yes,i have made a lot of profits in the eth boom
[2016-11-01 03:28:49] gafs : arbitrage001: 418 %
[2016-11-01 03:28:55] arbitrage001 : gafs: what about down cycle?
[2016-11-01 03:29:08] arbitrage001 : eth was rare case
[2016-11-01 03:29:30] gafs : arbitrage001: so,i have traded most longs,
[2016-11-01 03:29:44] gafs : i am only a few months trying shorts
[2016-11-01 03:30:00] arbitrage001 : on eth?
[2016-11-01 03:30:09] arbitrage001 : or zec?
[2016-11-01 03:30:16] gafs : yes,the first was when the hack attacked
[2016-11-01 03:30:27] micmix : shorts are more tricky on alts
[2016-11-01 03:30:32] gafs : i had to short it,altought i knew it would come back
[2016-11-01 03:30:44] arbitrage001 : micmix: yea, only take 1 wrong move to get wiped out
[2016-11-01 03:31:20] gafs : indeed i have made a lot of money,because i began investing with btc at 200 usd
[2016-11-01 03:32:06] micmix : good for you, make sure to put some btc aside, don't trade with all
[2016-11-01 03:32:36] gafs : i have made some cashouts at around 500us
[2016-11-01 03:32:56] gafs : to buy some trading books,and a new pc
[2016-11-01 03:33:15] gafs : and to take a brake for my wife
[2016-11-01 03:33:39] gafs : just some weeks at home to rest a b
[2016-11-01 03:33:57] micmix : brake for your wife or from your wife? ;-)
[2016-11-01 03:34:11] gafs : for her
[2016-11-01 03:34:14] gafs : kkk
[2016-11-01 03:34:38] gafs : she was working as a crazy to keep up with the bills
[2016-11-01 03:34:44] gafs : i give her some help
[2016-11-01 03:34:51] gafs : gave*
[2016-11-01 03:36:11] gafs : some toughts on lisk ?,i had invested in the ico,but sold it when it was 48 cents
[2016-11-01 03:36:18] arbitrage001 : gafs: which country are you from?
[2016-11-01 03:36:29] gafs : brazil
[2016-11-01 03:36:40] micmix : lisk will be removed from here on Friday
[2016-11-01 03:36:54] arbitrage001 : how is the country as a whole doing?
[2016-11-01 03:36:54] micmix : it's pretty much dead for now
[2016-11-01 03:37:41] gafs : not that bad,the pace where i live is mainly agricultural land,and there is always money around growing food
[2016-11-01 03:37:48] gafs : place
[2016-11-01 03:38:18] arbitrage001 : gafs: land price is reasonable?
[2016-11-01 03:38:39] arbitrage001 : how much per acre for agriculture land
[2016-11-01 03:38:45] gafs : yes,for our currrency here it is
[2016-11-01 03:38:58] arbitrage001 : a bit lucky
[2016-11-01 03:39:07] gafs : around 40.000u$ 24.000²
[2016-11-01 03:39:21] arbitrage001 : agriculture land in my country went up 10 times in less than 5 years
[2016-11-01 03:39:33] gafs : in our local currency 120000 reai
[2016-11-01 03:39:52] gafs : it went up 20 folds in 6 years here
[2016-11-01 03:40:18] arbitrage001 : the population can still afford the price increase?
[2016-11-01 03:40:38] arbitrage001 : in term of cost of living, food, etc
[2016-11-01 03:40:41] gafs : we are in the tipping point,sales stopped
[2016-11-01 03:40:52] gafs : about 8 months ag
[2016-11-01 03:41:10] gafs : i am sure prices may come down
[2016-11-01 03:41:25] gafs : atleast in the cities,i am not sure for the crop fields
[2016-11-01 03:41:34] arbitrage001 : gafs: hard to say
[2016-11-01 03:41:57] arbitrage001 : central bank always bail out bank, upper class/financial
[2016-11-01 03:41:58] gafs : in 2009 we sold a house for around 7000u$
[2016-11-01 03:42:10] gafs : now its worth atleast 50.000u$
[2016-11-01 03:42:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.548218
[2016-11-01 03:42:29] chromaticcr1 : lol c'mon
[2016-11-01 03:42:42] arbitrage001 : chromaticcr1: short it lol
[2016-11-01 03:42:52] arbitrage001 : that was quick
[2016-11-01 03:43:36] gafs : so back then we bough a car,very good here,with that money
[2016-11-01 03:43:43] gafs : now our car is worth 5000
[2016-11-01 03:43:58] arbitrage001 : gafs: only car? for work?
[2016-11-01 03:44:09] arbitrage001 : car is usually a bad investment
[2016-11-01 03:44:18] arbitrage001 : depreciate too fast
[2016-11-01 03:44:27] gafs : yes,i told dad to put it in land again
[2016-11-01 03:44:36] gafs : but his car was old,kk
[2016-11-01 03:44:42] gafs : from ww2
[2016-11-01 03:45:10] gafs : but we kept 2 huses
[2016-11-01 03:45:39] gafs : houses,dad is thinking of seelling one now,for around 60.000u$
[2016-11-01 03:45:50] arbitrage001 : house price in asia is out of controlled
[2016-11-01 03:45:58] gafs : we can buy 10 cars with thtat now
[2016-11-01 03:46:24] arbitrage001 : comparing house with land, land has better value
[2016-11-01 03:46:27] gafs : do you live in asia ?
[2016-11-01 03:46:31] arbitrage001 : if use for growing food
[2016-11-01 03:46:36] arbitrage001 : yes. malaysia here
[2016-11-01 03:46:55] gafs : it must be 10 in the morning there
[2016-11-01 03:46:58] gafs : ?
[2016-11-01 03:47:09] arbitrage001 : cost of renting is cheaper than cost of owning here
[2016-11-01 03:47:16] arbitrage001 : 11:47am
[2016-11-01 03:47:44] gafs : its passed one here,almost 2 into the tuesday
[2016-11-01 03:48:05] arbitrage001 : maybe you should rest
[2016-11-01 03:48:13] arbitrage001 : get a clear head before placing bet here
[2016-11-01 03:48:34] gafs : yes,but most the time i sleep during the da
[2016-11-01 03:48:36] gafs : kk
[2016-11-01 03:48:41] gafs : day
[2016-11-01 03:49:41] gafs : miss the times when i mined ltc
[2016-11-01 03:49:58] arbitrage001 : gafs: lol
[2016-11-01 03:49:58] gafs : now i cant mine any shit with my computer
[2016-11-01 03:50:04] arbitrage001 : i dont missed ltc mining
[2016-11-01 03:50:09] arbitrage001 : lost too much money
[2016-11-01 03:50:17] arbitrage001 : and deal with the troubles
[2016-11-01 03:50:32] gafs : we began here
[2016-11-01 03:50:47] gafs : there was a house with internet for people,i worked there
[2016-11-01 03:50:57] gafs : and we used to mine just for fun
[2016-11-01 03:51:06] coinrun : Nice cup on this zecz16 chart
[2016-11-01 03:51:28] arbitrage001 : coinrun: yes, short will panic soon i think
[2016-11-01 03:51:34] gafs : zec has only one way,and its dow
[2016-11-01 03:51:37] arbitrage001 : if spot price hit 5 btc
[2016-11-01 03:51:53] coinrun : Price is going back up on polo
[2016-11-01 03:52:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 4 @ 0.621550
[2016-11-01 03:52:05] coinrun : that was only the first of the 3 wave pump cucle
[2016-11-01 03:52:09] coinrun : cycle*
[2016-11-01 03:52:37] arbitrage001 : coinrun: normally, hype like this last for 3-6 months
[2016-11-01 03:52:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 2 @ 0.687791
[2016-11-01 03:52:57] arbitrage001 : the contract expire in 2 months
[2016-11-01 03:53:05] coinrun : mayeb not months but i think this week it will pump
[2016-11-01 03:53:10] coinrun : maybe*
[2016-11-01 03:53:16] gafs : yes,it reminds me of a coin i bough,and the value disapeare
[2016-11-01 03:53:24] gafs : i think it was calle
[2016-11-01 03:53:32] gafs : neutron
[2016-11-01 03:53:35] coinrun : Thats what the technicals say
[2016-11-01 03:53:54] arbitrage001 : gafs: people profit not from fundamental
[2016-11-01 03:54:05] arbitrage001 : gafs: alt coin is a shark eat shark world
[2016-11-01 03:54:38] gafs : atleast i know the value i had invested is still in this world,somewhere
[2016-11-01 03:54:50] arbitrage001 : what is value?
[2016-11-01 03:54:55] gafs : maybe helping some o
[2016-11-01 03:55:03] coinrun : These trades are purely technical trades. and thats an inverted h&s bottom.
[2016-11-01 03:55:05] gafs : the energy
[2016-11-01 03:55:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 2 @ 0.770087
[2016-11-01 03:55:16] coinrun : Resolves at 1.8BTC
[2016-11-01 03:55:52] gafs : is bitcoin going under 700 again ?
[2016-11-01 03:56:01] arbitrage001 : gafs: no one know
[2016-11-01 03:56:41] muirtastic : Mark price for ZEC is weird on here. Polo price is 2.20 and mark price is about .50 and now it's .77 with polo price being 2.20 again
[2016-11-01 03:56:46] gafs : crypto is at the same time so profitable and so risky
[2016-11-01 03:57:12] arbitrage001 : trading is a zero sum game
[2016-11-01 03:57:13] gafs : like asking that preety woman if you can sleep with her
[2016-11-01 03:57:27] arbitrage001 : if you are making profit, someone else is losing
[2016-11-01 03:57:44] coinrun : zecz16 is trading on its own... Its trading off the bullish structure in the chart
[2016-11-01 03:57:49] gafs : i lost in the beggining to,someone got very happy,
[2016-11-01 03:58:03] coinrun : muirtastic: that was to kind of answer your question
[2016-11-01 03:58:25] muirtastic : coinrun: I am talking about the mark price..not about the trading price on here
[2016-11-01 03:58:38] coinrun : theres no mark price
[2016-11-01 03:58:40] arbitrage001 : muirtastic: mark price has nothing to do with price
[2016-11-01 03:58:49] uncleyao : my zec was sale on itself.
[2016-11-01 03:58:54] arbitrage001 : it is invented by bitmex
[2016-11-01 03:59:18] muirtastic : arbitrage001: to say the mark price has nothing to do with the market price is an absurd statement
[2016-11-01 03:59:20] gafs : zec price in poloniex is just madness,i cant belie
[2016-11-01 03:59:38] gafs : it reminds me of lisk in the yobit
[2016-11-01 03:59:48] arbitrage001 : muirtastic: spot price has correlation with future price
[2016-11-01 03:59:59] coinrun : ZEC on polo is going for the second push of the 3 wave cycle
[2016-11-01 04:00:11] arbitrage001 : spot price isnt mark price
[2016-11-01 04:00:40] muirtastic : arbitrage001: who are you talking. I never said spot price is mark price. to say the mark price has nothing to do with the market price is an absurd statement
[2016-11-01 04:00:47] uncleyao : i put zec in 1btc the bitmex put my zec in the market at 0.57btc.
[2016-11-01 04:00:53] uncleyao : wtf
[2016-11-01 04:01:29] muirtastic : must not be many native english speakers on here
[2016-11-01 04:01:36] arbitrage001 : muirtastic: misunderstood you then. there is a "mark price" here invented by bitmex
[2016-11-01 04:01:48] chromaticcr1 : 姚師傅怎麼了
[2016-11-01 04:01:53] arbitrage001 : which is not market price
[2016-11-01 04:01:56] gafs : abacaxi
[2016-11-01 04:02:17] uncleyao : 我的zec被网站卖了
[2016-11-01 04:02:31] uncleyao : 我挂的1btc 他0.57就卖了我的
[2016-11-01 04:03:24] uncleyao : mb这网站还甩人下车 真jb黑
[2016-11-01 04:03:41] chromaticcr1 : uncleyao: 看看交易歷史，是不是有一欄叫做 Deleverage
[2016-11-01 04:03:56] chromaticcr1 : @BitMEX_Jinming
[2016-11-01 04:04:17] chromaticcr1 : uncleyao: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory 这一页上面的
[2016-11-01 04:04:37] BitMEX_Wally : uncleyao: There was an ADL event last night and longs were closed at 0.5793225
[2016-11-01 04:04:52] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 在爆仓单未能被市场消化是，我们会对高杠杆和高盈利仓位进行自动减仓。
[2016-11-01 04:05:10] gafs : what is an adl ?
[2016-11-01 04:05:11] uncleyao : 这。。。
[2016-11-01 04:05:33] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 否则就会有系统的亏损。
[2016-11-01 04:05:43] chromaticcr1 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging 这里提及了，形式跟 BTCC 或者 BitVC的自动减仓差不多
[2016-11-01 04:05:44] uncleyao : 我这怎么高盈利额
[2016-11-01 04:05:52] uncleyao : 0.32买进的
[2016-11-01 04:06:04] uncleyao : 怎么也不能算高盈利了
[2016-11-01 04:06:29] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 盈利78%
[2016-11-01 04:06:36] chromaticcr1 : 排序 = 盈利百分比 * 有效杠杆 那么就是杠杆排序高了吧...
[2016-11-01 04:06:48] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 另外你的杠杆是多少
[2016-11-01 04:06:49] uncleyao : 早知道直接买币还好。
[2016-11-01 04:07:02] uncleyao : 没用加杠杆啊
[2016-11-01 04:08:32] uncleyao : 这真的不公平，我挂的1btc。半价就给卖了。
[2016-11-01 04:08:57] chromaticcr1 : ADL那个跟你挂单的没关系...
[2016-11-01 04:09:43] uncleyao : 你干脆说是aoc得了。
[2016-11-01 04:09:47] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 减仓是根据排位来的，这说明其它很多用户的盈利没有到达78%
[2016-11-01 04:10:07] chromaticcr1 : ADL类似ok那边的分摊机制，不过不是平均分摊而是找着杠杆大盈利多的用家...
[2016-11-01 04:10:35] uncleyao : 那其他用户没意见？
[2016-11-01 04:12:10] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: how are you guys planning on calculating the discount/premium on zec when you begin marking it?
[2016-11-01 04:12:35] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 我们的减仓顺序是根据 `盈利百分比 * 有效杠杆` 计算的，每个人都一样。
[2016-11-01 04:12:50] chromaticcr1 : 期货就是零和游戏啊.. 要是给我选分摊还是ADL，ADL起码能自行补仓而且不用等交割才能提现。
[2016-11-01 04:13:42] uncleyao : 没有自动补仓啊。
[2016-11-01 04:14:08] chromaticcr1 : *自行补仓*
[2016-11-01 04:14:28] uncleyao : 好吧 谁能24小时盯着
[2016-11-01 04:14:30] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 对，目前没有，但是我们今后会增加这个功能
[2016-11-01 04:15:21] uncleyao : 是啊被adl至少要自动补仓才行啊。
[2016-11-01 04:15:25] aethlios : polo eth buy orders less than polo xmr
[2016-11-01 04:15:37] DangerandPlay : yingwen
[2016-11-01 04:15:45] BitMEX_Arthur : QuantFocus: The prem/disc will be implied from where the future is trading
[2016-11-01 04:15:47] chromaticcr1 : DangerandPlay: lol c'mon
[2016-11-01 04:15:52] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: Right now it is looking like a -450% annualised basis
[2016-11-01 04:16:01] DangerandPlay : :D
[2016-11-01 04:16:26] DangerandPlay : anyone else in china right now?
[2016-11-01 04:16:28] DangerandPlay : expat
[2016-11-01 04:16:53] BitMEX_Wally : DangerandPlay: Which city?
[2016-11-01 04:17:02] DangerandPlay : beijing
[2016-11-01 04:17:14] DangerandPlay : it's f*cking cold today
[2016-11-01 04:17:16] DangerandPlay : jesus christ
[2016-11-01 04:17:17] thomaskikansha : zec local high
[2016-11-01 04:17:25] uncleyao : 有没有别的兄弟被强制平仓的啊？
[2016-11-01 04:17:32] uncleyao : 还是我是个例？
[2016-11-01 04:17:44] BitMEX_Wally : DangerandPlay: Arthur and I might be in Beijing next week
[2016-11-01 04:18:14] DangerandPlay : oh yea? let's grab a beer. i have a british friend running a bitcoin remittance company here.
[2016-11-01 04:18:36] BitMEX_Wally : DangerandPlay: Great, we'll email you when we know our plans
[2016-11-01 04:18:46] chromaticcr1 : uncleyao: ZEC我在30号跟28号都被ADL了
[2016-11-01 04:19:02] DangerandPlay : got my address thru here, right? can add me on wechat too emoo1984
[2016-11-01 04:19:05] uncleyao : 你不会是托吧？
[2016-11-01 04:19:07] chromaticcr1 : 昨晚的我还是做空啊 *哭哭* ....
[2016-11-01 04:19:19] coinrun : ZEC looks very bullish
[2016-11-01 04:19:20] uncleyao : chromaticcr1: 那你爆仓了么？
[2016-11-01 04:19:24] coinrun : on polo
[2016-11-01 04:19:25] CaptainDean : Zec pump on polo
[2016-11-01 04:19:29] chromaticcr1 : 没
[2016-11-01 04:19:48] uncleyao : 做空不爆仓？
[2016-11-01 04:19:48] thomaskikansha : coinrun: maybe another wave
[2016-11-01 04:19:51] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Arthur, @BitMEX_Wally , can you guys clarify? For example, you have a 33% premium embedded in the xbtz contract, IIRC
[2016-11-01 04:20:03] QuantFocus : maybe i need to re-read where that comes from
[2016-11-01 04:20:03] uncleyao : 昨晚最高到0.9了啊。
[2016-11-01 04:20:13] chromaticcr1 : uncleyao: 爆啊，到点就爆啊，我储备比较多
[2016-11-01 04:20:18] QuantFocus : but it's not based on where it trades, right?
[2016-11-01 04:20:30] chromaticcr1 : 这要东西你不怕我也怕啊
[2016-11-01 04:20:39] chromaticcr1 : 妖东西*
[2016-11-01 04:20:59] BitMEX_Wally : For XBTZ16 that fair basis comes from where it is trading, measured using the order book
[2016-11-01 04:21:12] uncleyao : 昨晚明显要涨了，我买进想得个翻两三倍的。
[2016-11-01 04:21:14] thomaskikansha : polo asks down to <200ZEC
[2016-11-01 04:21:30] uncleyao : 才赚一点wtf。
[2016-11-01 04:21:44] ss : yun
[2016-11-01 04:21:52] ss : 昨晚想了半天 还是没入仓
[2016-11-01 04:21:54] uncleyao : 早知道多买点现货还好
[2016-11-01 04:22:02] ss : 果然畏惧 时候 才是 最安全的
[2016-11-01 04:22:03] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: ok. i guess it just seems counterintuitive to me. i thought it traded in that range because of the fair basis marking, not vice-versa
[2016-11-01 04:22:14] uncleyao : 现货都翻个4倍多。
[2016-11-01 04:22:27] chromaticcr1 : uncleyao: 远期期货与现货的关联性比较低，我做长线的，所以我来这边
[2016-11-01 04:22:36] uncleyao : 这网站太鸡肋
[2016-11-01 04:22:55] uncleyao : 盈利就给你平了。
[2016-11-01 04:23:08] ss : 是的
[2016-11-01 04:23:08] ss : 太差劲了
[2016-11-01 04:23:18] ss : 居然会帮你自动平仓
[2016-11-01 04:23:30] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price is used for unrealised PNL and triggering liquidations, but it does not affect the market value of the contract which is still supply and demand
[2016-11-01 04:23:32] uncleyao : ss 你也被平了？
[2016-11-01 04:23:38] ss : 嗯 前几天
[2016-11-01 04:23:45] chromaticcr1 : 空军都被强平都没钱赔给你了 -_-
[2016-11-01 04:23:48] BitMEX_Jinming : uncleyao: 是因为空仓的杠杆高，所以爆仓价格低，导致自动平仓。
[2016-11-01 04:23:52] ss : 买的价位非常好 结果2元就把我平掉了
[2016-11-01 04:23:55] uncleyao : 蛋疼不？
[2016-11-01 04:24:00] ss : 要知道 最高10元
[2016-11-01 04:24:11] uncleyao : 是吧
[2016-11-01 04:24:23] uncleyao : 你买的什么？2元？
[2016-11-01 04:24:30] ss : 前几天的事了
[2016-11-01 04:24:33] chromaticcr1 : 2B 啊
[2016-11-01 04:24:34] ss : 后来就撤资了
[2016-11-01 04:24:50] ss : 不自动平仓 我至少赚10倍
[2016-11-01 04:25:07] ss : 太坑了 不知道是不是规则问题
[2016-11-01 04:25:08] uncleyao : 是吧
[2016-11-01 04:25:33] uncleyao : 我就说鸡肋吧，玩期货不就是为了博这10倍的
[2016-11-01 04:26:27] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: so if there was enough supply driving the price closer to spot, the mark price would adjust to it?
[2016-11-01 04:26:28] uncleyao : 这样把你盈利限定，那输和赢一样多。那绝对是亏钱的。
[2016-11-01 04:26:30] ss : 我继续看好bitcoin 和zec
[2016-11-01 04:26:45] ss : 是啊
[2016-11-01 04:26:49] ss : 潜规则
[2016-11-01 04:27:03] coinrun : Most miners break even is 5.5BTC on ZEC
[2016-11-01 04:27:14] uncleyao : 错就爆，赢就最多翻倍。那从概率来送就是给网站送钱了。
[2016-11-01 04:27:23] chromaticcr1 : 多空盈利的限制都是对家钱包的钱
[2016-11-01 04:28:10] uncleyao : 翻几倍才能玩。要不然只能输。
[2016-11-01 04:28:28] uncleyao : 我觉得大家都是聪明人 应该能想明白
[2016-11-01 04:28:34] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: Yes
[2016-11-01 04:28:58] aethlios : zcash what a scam
[2016-11-01 04:29:10] ss : 还有什么期货网站推荐吗
[2016-11-01 04:29:25] BitMEX_Wally : Because you can arbitrage between spot and futures ('cash and carry arbitrage') the difference, called basis, is considered an interest rate
[2016-11-01 04:30:16] BitMEX_Wally : The XBTZ16 fair basis rate is 39% (annualised) which is roughly what you pay to borrow USD to go long on Bitfinex
[2016-11-01 04:30:31] BitMEX_Wally : And it is similar to the OKC basis on their December future
[2016-11-01 04:30:35] uncleyao : ok什么的没有zec玩
[2016-11-01 04:30:52] chromaticcr1 : 做空的就这家，没了
[2016-11-01 04:31:08] chromaticcr1 : 做空ZEC的*
[2016-11-01 04:31:22] uncleyao : 做空想盈利难。
[2016-11-01 04:31:33] uncleyao : 短期波动还会很大
[2016-11-01 04:32:00] uncleyao : 等你到12月再做空，那时候又没有盈利了。
[2016-11-01 04:32:08] chromaticcr1 : ... 总盈利 19B 大部分都是做空赚的
[2016-11-01 04:32:35] uncleyao : 不是你厉害，是你赶上那波了。
[2016-11-01 04:33:16] ss : 做空太危险了
[2016-11-01 04:33:58] uncleyao : 谁都知道要跌，但时间点你不可能能知道。
[2016-11-01 04:35:24] billyboy402 : any chance we can have google translate work for the troll box
[2016-11-01 04:35:59] chromaticcr1 : billyboy402: Prefer have a language tabbed trollbox
[2016-11-01 04:36:16] uncleyao : ss: 估计还会拉个几波，要不然先挖坑套利不了。
[2016-11-01 04:36:43] uncleyao : 矿
[2016-11-01 04:37:02] chromaticcr1 : uncleyao: 供应几何级数上升，越来越难拉了
[2016-11-01 04:37:02] ss : 你觉得挖矿性价比怎么样
[2016-11-01 04:37:35] uncleyao : 现在肯定有赚啊
[2016-11-01 04:37:44] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: thanks. need to read up on it more i guess...that and the MM tutorial you guys released
[2016-11-01 04:37:49] uncleyao : 但是投资矿机是一大笔钱
[2016-11-01 04:38:26] uncleyao : 等你买好矿机 矿机钱还没收回一半 可能就跌了。
[2016-11-01 04:39:00] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: i'm loosely familiar with basis from past experience, but definitely not an expert.
[2016-11-01 04:39:53] QuantFocus : i suppose i just had a misconception about the premium on quarterlies being driven by mark, and not mark being driven by supply/demand
[2016-11-01 04:41:13] BitMEX_Wally : More information about how we set the fair basis here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking#Calculation-of-Fair-Price-for-Futures-Contracts
[2016-11-01 04:42:36] HjP : BitMEX_Wally, QuantFocus, where do I find this MM tutorial?
[2016-11-01 04:43:05] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: on an unrelated note, do you think you guys would ever have an interest in setting up an ICO market?
[2016-11-01 04:43:51] QuantFocus : specifically for a project I'm developing, but possibly for something more beneficial to the exchange longer term?
[2016-11-01 04:44:22] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: We're open to discussions, email us and we can discuss: support@bitmex.com
[2016-11-01 04:44:55] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: sounds great. appreciate it!
[2016-11-01 04:45:27] QuantFocus : we're finalizing our presentation now, but i can reach out with some introductory details soon
[2016-11-01 04:45:33] HostFat : I hope that you will remove the limit from the zcash market, and all the others
[2016-11-01 04:45:43] BitMEX_Wally : HjP: https://blog.bitmex.com/tag/market-making/
[2016-11-01 04:45:47] HostFat : even the bitcoin market
[2016-11-01 04:45:50] HjP : thanks
[2016-11-01 04:46:34] HostFat : at the time of the ETF, if it will happen, the limit should be already eliminated
[2016-11-01 04:46:37] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: i'm headed out for a bit though. take care, and ttys.
[2016-11-01 04:47:22] BitMEX_Wally : There has to be a maxPrice from a technical perspective, but we can probably raise it from 10 XBT to 1000 XBT
[2016-11-01 04:48:00] BitMEX_Wally : We will announce the new maxPrice when we announce the new mark price method
[2016-11-01 04:48:30] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: haven't tried yet, but can you trade fractional units of zec?
[2016-11-01 04:48:45] BitMEX_Wally : No, we only support whole contracts
[2016-11-01 04:49:02] BitMEX_Wally : As the market settles down we will probably increase the leverage though
[2016-11-01 04:49:03] QuantFocus : so yea, shorting at the top would be difficult at 1000btc
[2016-11-01 04:49:35] QuantFocus : cool
[2016-11-01 04:50:07] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: are we days before? you have to give us 24 or 48 hours before implementing (zec mark to index)
[2016-11-01 04:51:03] aethlios : should consider asks on polo, now only 190 coins, I think we need 1000 to be sure
[2016-11-01 04:51:06] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: Yes we will give at least 24 hours notice
[2016-11-01 04:51:28] aethlios : I mean now only 200 so manipulation strong yet
[2016-11-01 04:51:57] BitMEX_Wally : When we switch the mark method from last price to fair price it will be a non event, the actual mark price will not change because there is always a fair basis applied. I do not know why everyone is so interested in it
[2016-11-01 04:52:39] chromaticcr1 : except shorts will be less likely to subject to manipulation since you will have to manipulate in spot with greater depth
[2016-11-01 04:52:46] chromaticcr1 : which is a good thing!
[2016-11-01 04:53:05] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: the problem is that cap 10 is a safety net, if polo pumps to 20 because only 200 asks, then many can go broke here.
[2016-11-01 04:55:13] chromaticcr1 : it would cost 650BTC to manipulate to 10BTC in polo
[2016-11-01 04:56:47] arbitrage001 : aethlios: dont trade if you are not willing to take the risk
[2016-11-01 04:56:59] arbitrage001 : no one forcing anyone to buy or sell
[2016-11-01 04:57:05] chromaticcr1 : would def. cost less here, and lets not forget the basis btw
[2016-11-01 04:57:57] arbitrage001 : chromaticcr1: reason why people should not short here
[2016-11-01 04:58:29] arbitrage001 : only take 1 whale and remove price cap to screw all the short
[2016-11-01 04:59:50] aethlios : supply will add quickly now for zec
[2016-11-01 04:59:54] chromaticcr1 : in the case of ADL, it won't worth it for the whales, but for revenge trades..... well... whales could lose their mind too
[2016-11-01 05:00:27] arbitrage001 : aethlios: and you think more supply means price will go down?
[2016-11-01 05:00:54] aethlios : arbitrage001: yes, this is already happening 3000 to 0.65
[2016-11-01 05:03:04] aethlios : inflate supplt, deflate price
[2016-11-01 05:03:05] arbitrage001 : aethlios: btc supply went up over the years, why is the price going up?
[2016-11-01 05:03:28] arbitrage001 : from 0.04 in 2008, to 700 now?
[2016-11-01 05:04:05] arbitrage001 : maybe shorting btc is safer?
[2016-11-01 05:04:22] aethlios : think zec 21 mill, btc less than 21 mill. (many lost) so how is possible in the long run zec above 1??? since btc supply less than zec??
[2016-11-01 05:04:52] chromaticcr1 : it is just part of the equation, there are too many variable so place your bets.
[2016-11-01 05:13:10] aethlios : supply x5 in 6 days
[2016-11-01 05:13:43] aethlios : supply x20 in 16 days
[2016-11-01 05:14:50] chromaticcr1 : generalize it circulation = 0.0003125*(block)^2 || Block<20k. If you have nice cards in your hand, why not just go all in?
[2016-11-01 05:15:45] aethlios : i am 15 short, never go all in, i am not gambling. plan to keep to expiration.
[2016-11-01 05:16:42] aethlios : those rallies will happen again but from lowwer prices, when 0.3 they will pump to 1. always keep hope alive.
[2016-11-01 05:16:49] arbitrage001 : you have enough collateral here for keep your short should it go to 10btc?
[2016-11-01 05:17:25] aethlios : liq. price 10.23, just want 1 week to pass to be safe
[2016-11-01 05:17:53] aethlios : when oversold i will close and re open when the next pump happens
[2016-11-01 05:18:00] arbitrage001 : risking 150 btc to make 9 btc at most
[2016-11-01 05:18:08] arbitrage001 : are you sure this is wise?
[2016-11-01 05:19:19] aethlios : arbitrage001: I shorted from 2.5, closed 0.3 and re-shorted 0.585, I will close again, so this position won't stay always open
[2016-11-01 05:19:45] aethlios : close short when oversold, re open short to the pump
[2016-11-01 05:20:04] aethlios : trend is your friend because of supply.
[2016-11-01 05:20:41] chromaticcr1 : and the structure of the contract is against you, coz infinity upside. Take a balance
[2016-11-01 05:21:49] aethlios : I don't feel comfortable with so margin in 1 position but it is 5 days more to be safer
[2016-11-01 05:31:54] drag : hello
[2016-11-01 05:40:34] uncleyao : chromaticcr1: 感觉你真的是托，在这当GM
[2016-11-01 05:41:22] chromaticcr1 : @uncleyao -_- ... GM都是 BitMEX_开头的
[2016-11-01 05:41:44] uncleyao : 托
[2016-11-01 05:42:01] chromaticcr1 : -_-
[2016-11-01 05:43:09] uncleyao : 再玩一波辣条。
[2016-11-01 05:43:21] chromaticcr1 : 那么sleger 和 wurstgelee 都应该是托了，他俩都比我活跃，我就这边的常客
[2016-11-01 05:43:23] uncleyao : 就提b走人
[2016-11-01 05:43:58] chromaticcr1 : 拉条这边流动性一般...
[2016-11-01 05:44:41] uncleyao : 好像是诶。。。
[2016-11-01 05:45:02] uncleyao : 要是涨上去没人买就白瞎了。
[2016-11-01 06:04:18] ss : bitmex 感觉没什么流动性啊
[2016-11-01 06:04:24] ss : 这个最坑了
[2016-11-01 06:13:20] muirtastic : wow the ZEC price is all over the place on here...from .83 to .42 and the price on Polo really hasn't changed that much..maybe 10%