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[2016-10-31 22:28:27] zecz : polo are crazy
[2016-10-31 22:28:38] zecz : 4-5 btc tonight
[2016-10-31 22:28:48] zecz : if we get pass 3,5
[2016-10-31 22:29:35] messiaen8844 : kradiav, it still serves its purpose even with those flaws
[2016-10-31 22:29:35] miramm1115 : btw, you can buy zcash instantly using SEPA at anycoindirect.eu. only 2100 euro
[2016-10-31 22:29:39] messiaen8844 : it's not a store of value
[2016-10-31 22:30:00] messiaen8844 : more like an intermediary
[2016-10-31 22:30:40] laisee : kradiav: BTC has similar, if not greater, flaws.
[2016-10-31 22:30:47] kradiav : messiaen8844: on January when XMR activates RingCT, it will be obsolete imo... must more immediate and adopted way
[2016-10-31 22:32:26] QuantFocus : miramm1115: wow, what a deal
[2016-10-31 22:35:06] imabeast : double top watch for the sell of
[2016-10-31 22:36:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1500 @ 699.67
[2016-10-31 22:36:14] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: how much h/s have you rented and how much zec can you mine with it?
[2016-10-31 22:37:04] wurstgelee : shapeshifter: 2.7 btc for 4.05 zcash @ 100kSol (5% of network back then)
[2016-10-31 22:37:08] wurstgelee : u cant do this now tho
[2016-10-31 22:37:10] wurstgelee : because
[2016-10-31 22:37:13] wurstgelee : nethash tripled
[2016-10-31 22:37:15] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: still high! Got 0.78 sitting confirmed on nicehash now, but no one seems to be manning Twitter/support now to help with the manual transfer..
[2016-10-31 22:37:19] wurstgelee : hash price doubled
[2016-10-31 22:37:26] wurstgelee : since a few hours ago
[2016-10-31 22:38:01] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: 1.5 - 17/24
[2016-10-31 22:38:02] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: where do you check the difficulty?
[2016-10-31 22:38:03] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 22:38:21] wurstgelee : stats @ suprnove pool @shapeshifter
[2016-10-31 22:38:26] wurstgelee : suprnova
[2016-10-31 22:38:27] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: have you got the 100ksol at the beginning?
[2016-10-31 22:38:38] EA_FTW : @wurstgelee Looking good for at least 2.5 :-)
[2016-10-31 22:38:49] wurstgelee : no, started mining ~24h ago
[2016-10-31 22:38:53] wurstgelee : until ~4 h ago
[2016-10-31 22:38:59] wurstgelee : perfect timing
[2016-10-31 22:39:02] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 22:39:10] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: yep
[2016-10-31 22:39:12] wurstgelee : fingers crossed
[2016-10-31 22:39:21] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: well done
[2016-10-31 22:39:26] wurstgelee : brb, quick snack
[2016-10-31 22:39:29] wurstgelee : shapeshifter: thanks ;)
[2016-10-31 22:39:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6000 @ 698.29
[2016-10-31 22:41:23] TwinnerD : I am short bitches ZEC
[2016-10-31 22:42:03] kradiav : TwinnerD: I doubt your are more than one short bitch... you a single person after all... boom
[2016-10-31 22:42:39] nope : TwinnerD: welcome, zcrap bagholder whining coming in 1,2,3...
[2016-10-31 22:43:18] TwinnerD : kradiav: hahaha I am Twin afterall
[2016-10-31 22:43:24] TwinnerD : More than one short
[2016-10-31 22:43:28] y1uy : not sure if i should keep my ZEC short overnight... hmmm
[2016-10-31 22:43:51] kradiav : TwinnerD: touché :D
[2016-10-31 22:44:05] EA_FTW : In all this time, ZEC has still yet to go even 2nd on traded volume on Polo, it might just do it tonight..
[2016-10-31 22:44:08] TwinnerD : y1uy: is your liqu price above 10? Then yes
[2016-10-31 22:44:45] nope : y1uy: stop loss brotha, you wouldn't raw dog a club slut in the vip bathroom would you? zcrap is the same
[2016-10-31 22:45:19] nope : y1uy: fun as hell, but you'll regret it in the morning
[2016-10-31 22:46:09] laisee : nope: any other useful advice?
[2016-10-31 22:46:23] shapeshifter : nope: lol
[2016-10-31 22:46:29] y1uy : nope: very true.. but i dont want to stop loss on a big loss
[2016-10-31 22:46:34] nope : laisee: how much time you got?
[2016-10-31 22:46:40] HjP : BitMEX_Sam, how is liquidation price calculated? Is there somewhere a formula?
[2016-10-31 22:46:41] y1uy : since zec is so volatile
[2016-10-31 22:46:47] shapeshifter : y1uy: better than full loss
[2016-10-31 22:46:55] nope : shapeshifter: exactly
[2016-10-31 22:47:11] y1uy : meh maybe i should stop being greedy
[2016-10-31 22:47:12] y1uy : :D
[2016-10-31 22:47:28] shapeshifter : y1uy: cut half of it now
[2016-10-31 22:47:29] negamax : y1uy: easier said than done :D
[2016-10-31 22:47:35] nope : y1uy: fear and greed bro, that's what moves markets
[2016-10-31 22:49:06] wurstgelee : lol. damn u polo. HOLD THE LINE FFS
[2016-10-31 22:49:13] wurstgelee : 20/24
[2016-10-31 22:49:41] negamax : wurstgelee: almost there
[2016-10-31 22:49:51] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: ahah sell on polo buy on bitmex :)
[2016-10-31 22:50:09] nope : y1uy: case and point, I made $9k shorting zcrap, and even though i shouldve closed it out yesterday, i figured hey my bday is in two days so i'll ride this bitch fro a few more k so I can really ball it up in the club, guess what? gave $2k of it back today
[2016-10-31 22:50:12] imabeast : wurstgelee: better hurry
[2016-10-31 22:50:22] wurstgelee : imabeast: lol. fuck u :D
[2016-10-31 22:50:32] wurstgelee : did the chain just stop?
[2016-10-31 22:50:35] imabeast : nope: u didnt have enough liquidity to cover?
[2016-10-31 22:50:48] y1uy : shapeshifter: cant cut half of 1zec :D, yeah im a goldfish :P
[2016-10-31 22:50:48] wurstgelee : imabeast: i am waiting for mined coins to arrive
[2016-10-31 22:50:56] wurstgelee : idc about fucking arbs
[2016-10-31 22:50:58] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-31 22:51:12] y1uy : nope: that's how it's done, nice
[2016-10-31 22:51:23] nope : imabeast: i dont use leverage so i did, I just opened a new short overnight at 0.30
[2016-10-31 22:51:32] john1243 : how many coins are you waiting to arrive on polo?
[2016-10-31 22:51:37] wurstgelee : i mined today, i played my part in today's ZEC shenenigans here, i have enough
[2016-10-31 22:51:42] wurstgelee : john1243: 1.5
[2016-10-31 22:51:48] nope : imabeast: closed at a loss, back in at 0.80
[2016-10-31 22:51:58] wurstgelee : rest is still unconfirmed @ suprnova
[2016-10-31 22:52:20] wurstgelee : 23/24 ....
[2016-10-31 22:52:30] imabeast : nope: ah damn.. yea i was sweating bullets earlier with that pump haha
[2016-10-31 22:52:31] imabeast : came close
[2016-10-31 22:52:51] wurstgelee : its about to dive ffs...
[2016-10-31 22:53:07] john1243 : I'm gonna try again, back in short at 0.75
[2016-10-31 22:53:10] EA_FTW : Hooooolldddd!
[2016-10-31 22:53:18] john1243 : got liquidated :(
[2016-10-31 22:53:21] coinrun : wave 1 of zec complete
[2016-10-31 22:54:11] EA_FTW : Buy side looking strong and sell side strung out, I'm hopeful I can get at least 2 if I get my ZEC in the next hour..
[2016-10-31 22:54:18] wurstgelee : lol...so close and so far...
[2016-10-31 22:54:20] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 22:54:36] shapeshifter : john1243: ADL?
[2016-10-31 22:55:12] wurstgelee : sold
[2016-10-31 22:55:17] wurstgelee : 2.45
[2016-10-31 22:55:19] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 22:55:23] gustavo7 : halleluja my short is saved
[2016-10-31 22:55:24] negamax : wurstgelee: nice one mate!
[2016-10-31 22:55:25] EA_FTW : nice, about what I got :-)
[2016-10-31 22:56:07] nope : imabeast: i feel ya, there goes my bday budget for bottles and blow
[2016-10-31 22:56:09] wurstgelee : great timing. ;) now watch me seeing it go to 4 within 15 mins :p
[2016-10-31 22:56:48] Kahir : damn look at zcash explorer
[2016-10-31 22:56:54] Kahir : alot of coins going to polo
[2016-10-31 22:56:57] wurstgelee : ofc
[2016-10-31 22:57:00] john1243 : I don't think it would go to 4
[2016-10-31 22:57:16] john1243 : about 10% of the supply ends up on polo
[2016-10-31 22:57:20] wurstgelee : suprnova admin told me he had 100 withdrawals/3 min
[2016-10-31 22:57:27] wurstgelee : an hour ago
[2016-10-31 22:57:40] wurstgelee : too much load...
[2016-10-31 22:57:44] wurstgelee : hence the problems
[2016-10-31 22:57:47] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: all dumping now
[2016-10-31 22:57:58] Kahir : but who knows
[2016-10-31 22:57:58] wurstgelee : 2.63 oO
[2016-10-31 22:57:58] numero : :)
[2016-10-31 22:57:59] Kahir : man
[2016-10-31 22:58:06] john1243 : that would be about 7.5 BTC worth being sold every hour
[2016-10-31 22:58:07] numero : I've never made so much money in my life
[2016-10-31 22:58:14] numero : I hope it doesn't go to my head
[2016-10-31 22:58:20] john1243 : lucky for you
[2016-10-31 22:58:27] john1243 : i lost so much this week
[2016-10-31 22:58:45] wurstgelee : numero: you will be fine as long as it doesnt go to your veins
[2016-10-31 22:58:53] john1243 : got liquidated twice
[2016-10-31 22:59:07] Kahir : my friend is making ton of profit mining at nicehash
[2016-10-31 22:59:16] numero : wurstgelee: I'll keep that in mind
[2016-10-31 22:59:30] Kahir : mining seem really cool
[2016-10-31 23:00:07] nope : numero: cash is just a tool, i've had a ton, lost it all, and made it all back. If you're not happy when youre broke, you'll only be more miserable when you're loaded trust me
[2016-10-31 23:00:44] nope : numero: in the words of a very wise man, mo money mo problems
[2016-10-31 23:01:05] wurstgelee : Kahir: its over now...wait for things to cool down if u consider mining
[2016-10-31 23:01:21] wurstgelee : hashes trippled in price since 12h earlier, 4x even
[2016-10-31 23:01:25] Kahir : wurstgelee: why
[2016-10-31 23:01:37] negamax : wurstgelee: isn't zec emission rising as well?
[2016-10-31 23:01:39] Kahir : hashing for BTC is sooo profitable right now
[2016-10-31 23:01:41] wurstgelee : Kahir: did u check the price of ZEC recently?
[2016-10-31 23:01:43] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: what contract you used Fixed or Standard and what price?
[2016-10-31 23:01:54] wurstgelee : shapeshifter: 50% fixed 50% standard
[2016-10-31 23:01:56] Kahir : wurstgelee: yes thats what make it profitable
[2016-10-31 23:02:08] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: price?
[2016-10-31 23:02:50] wurstgelee : shapeshifter: had .~ 11 for standard and .13 for fixed
[2016-10-31 23:03:05] wurstgelee : 25k each fixed and standard europe, same in us
[2016-10-31 23:03:08] wurstgelee : sum 100 kSol
[2016-10-31 23:03:11] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-31 23:03:18] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: nice
[2016-10-31 23:04:13] wurstgelee : it all started as a test to learn about current profitability
[2016-10-31 23:04:27] wurstgelee : quickly escalated when i learned that @ .7 its still %30 ROE
[2016-10-31 23:06:40] nope : btw where is rapidtrader during this massive pump? I mean i'm new and all but wasn't he like the main pump cheerleader for xec around here?
[2016-10-31 23:07:00] nope : zec*
[2016-10-31 23:07:01] j8 : he got banned
[2016-10-31 23:07:02] sleger : he got banned
[2016-10-31 23:07:06] sleger : for the 3rd time
[2016-10-31 23:07:07] j8 : jinx
[2016-10-31 23:07:23] imabeast : lmao
[2016-10-31 23:07:24] micmix : banned for 24h, I already miss his colorful swearing ;-)
[2016-10-31 23:07:32] nope : ahahaha too bad i kinda liked the asshole
[2016-10-31 23:07:45] wurstgelee : @admins isnt rapidtrades not hurt enough? at least let him rant here about how polo went to 3 but bitmex didnt....
[2016-10-31 23:07:45] wurstgelee : :P
[2016-10-31 23:08:20] EA_FTW : Finally! lol I thought there were no bans in this trollbox?
[2016-10-31 23:08:39] wurstgelee : never seen one live until today
[2016-10-31 23:08:47] micmix : I remember 3 or 4 bans total, half of them rapid
[2016-10-31 23:08:58] nope : micmix: lol
[2016-10-31 23:09:05] imabeast : god i wish i could short all these at .5
[2016-10-31 23:09:16] wurstgelee : imabeast: u dont wish that
[2016-10-31 23:09:17] wurstgelee : really
[2016-10-31 23:09:19] wurstgelee : u dont
[2016-10-31 23:09:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:09:32] Kahir : boii
[2016-10-31 23:09:33] wurstgelee : unless u have enough margin
[2016-10-31 23:09:36] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-31 23:09:45] micmix : btw, sleger unmasked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9bastien_L%C3%A9ger
[2016-10-31 23:09:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.540001
[2016-10-31 23:09:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 17 @ 0.547770
[2016-10-31 23:10:03] imabeast : eesh
[2016-10-31 23:10:07] j8 : micmix: lol
[2016-10-31 23:10:13] wurstgelee : micmix: lol
[2016-10-31 23:10:17] Kahir : lol
[2016-10-31 23:10:47] wurstgelee : excellent. i love my display beeing coated with beer
[2016-10-31 23:11:23] wurstgelee : Also known as Sébastien "Legend" Léger, Seb, Elesse, Sebago, The White Duck
[2016-10-31 23:11:28] imabeast : almost back in profits.. i was -275 % at one point haha
[2016-10-31 23:11:35] wurstgelee : sleger, can we call u whity? or ducky?
[2016-10-31 23:11:41] wurstgelee : *e
[2016-10-31 23:11:47] Kahir : bye bye 2 btc
[2016-10-31 23:11:48] Kahir : lol
[2016-10-31 23:11:53] micmix : he prefers The Legend
[2016-10-31 23:12:09] wurstgelee : yeah, pretty sure about that
[2016-10-31 23:12:09] imabeast : wurstgelee: call me the sauceboss
[2016-10-31 23:12:15] nope : imabeast: yup, sitting on 75% roe so far, bust still havent made back my earlier loss
[2016-10-31 23:12:41] wurstgelee : imabeast: do you expect me to understand what youre saying?
[2016-10-31 23:12:44] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-10-31 23:15:01] TwinnerD : Already 50% roe
[2016-10-31 23:15:06] TwinnerD : Its too easy
[2016-10-31 23:15:37] TwinnerD : Thanks rapidtrades
[2016-10-31 23:15:45] TwinnerD : <3
[2016-10-31 23:16:59] muirtastic : in some ZEC here
[2016-10-31 23:17:57] nope : Somewhere somehow, i know rapidtrades was responsible for this pump. He got banned for the sins of all the other longs on buttmex so that they may be accepted into the kingdom of profits
[2016-10-31 23:19:18] EA_FTW : C'mon ZEC, hold up! Got my ZEC all confirmed on nicehash, just waiting for someone to put the manual transfer through..
[2016-10-31 23:19:31] nope : unfortuantely, shit falls faster than it goes up : )
[2016-10-31 23:20:40] EA_FTW : rapidtrades wanted to push ZECZ16 up to 10 again though, didn't quite work!
[2016-10-31 23:21:04] Kahir : EA_FTW: who are rapidtraders lol
[2016-10-31 23:21:07] Kahir : pump group ?
[2016-10-31 23:21:12] EA_FTW : Didn't even break 1
[2016-10-31 23:21:44] EA_FTW : rapidtrades was all over this Trollbox yesterday complaining about the cap of 10 on ZECZ16 (he went long and got burned)
[2016-10-31 23:21:50] EA_FTW : just one guy
[2016-10-31 23:22:32] nope : personally i think the cap was a once in alifetime opportunity in crypto
[2016-10-31 23:22:50] wurstgelee : so far 2.7 btc -> 5.5 btc with .6 ZEC still in transit/unconfirmed
[2016-10-31 23:22:55] kradiav : big gamble though... a chance for uberrektage
[2016-10-31 23:22:55] wurstgelee : mining attempt was a success
[2016-10-31 23:22:57] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:23:23] nope : soon as I saw it i went ham shorting
[2016-10-31 23:23:48] wurstgelee : i longed....
[2016-10-31 23:23:55] wurstgelee : only 1 tho
[2016-10-31 23:23:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:24:08] EA_FTW : nope: I missed shorting at 10 by 3 mins :-(
[2016-10-31 23:24:09] wurstgelee : didnt realize it is there...until too late
[2016-10-31 23:24:29] EA_FTW : Still shorted at 3 and made bank though :-)
[2016-10-31 23:24:30] wurstgelee : bought 1 @ 7.something
[2016-10-31 23:24:39] nope : EA_FTW: me too, kept lowering my ask, best i got was 7 even
[2016-10-31 23:24:48] EA_FTW : nice
[2016-10-31 23:25:48] EA_FTW : price is slipping away now, my 1.2ZEC still stranded..
[2016-10-31 23:26:04] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: gone into limbo?
[2016-10-31 23:26:26] wurstgelee : or what does stranded mean?
[2016-10-31 23:26:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.427500
[2016-10-31 23:26:46] messiaen8844 : what happens after ETHXBT expires?
[2016-10-31 23:26:47] EA_FTW : Waiting for nicehash to do manual transfer (because of mixup with username/address that was partly my fault)
[2016-10-31 23:26:52] wurstgelee : 1 block to another .2
[2016-10-31 23:26:54] messiaen8844 : are we getting futures or what for eth?
[2016-10-31 23:26:56] muirtastic : i bought ZEC at 3.7 and was down 80% but then bought 5x as much at .7 and cleaned up
[2016-10-31 23:27:00] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: ah ok =)
[2016-10-31 23:27:03] wurstgelee : so not lost then
[2016-10-31 23:27:46] EA_FTW : Not lost, but the BTC profit is slipping away (unless I save it for another pump!?)
[2016-10-31 23:28:47] EA_FTW : Can't see another big pump happening until after slow start mining period is over though (and some real useage is happening)
[2016-10-31 23:30:12] nope : EA_FTW: i have to disagree bro, if I had 100btc right now I would pump the shit out of zec on polo, get the sheep to join in while I short it here thanks to that 10 cap
[2016-10-31 23:30:38] nope : literally printing money
[2016-10-31 23:30:50] EA_FTW : nope: I'm sure that's what was tried today (i.e. rapidtrades' plan)
[2016-10-31 23:31:04] nope : EA_FTW: lol yup
[2016-10-31 23:31:12] EA_FTW : nope: You'd think there would be whales with 1000s of BTC who could do it, so what are they scared of?
[2016-10-31 23:31:26] EA_FTW : I guess if the cap was ever lifted mid pump..
[2016-10-31 23:31:44] wurstgelee : its way easier....
[2016-10-31 23:32:00] wurstgelee : accumulate here
[2016-10-31 23:32:01] wurstgelee : longs
[2016-10-31 23:32:02] nope : EA_FTW: that's the only thing that stopped e from selling a kidnay today
[2016-10-31 23:32:03] wurstgelee : on bitmex
[2016-10-31 23:32:10] wurstgelee : then buy up to 3-4 btc
[2016-10-31 23:32:14] wurstgelee : ADl everywhere
[2016-10-31 23:32:16] wurstgelee : profit
[2016-10-31 23:32:17] wurstgelee : done
[2016-10-31 23:32:21] wurstgelee : rinse and repeat
[2016-10-31 23:32:25] Formiga : I think ZEC could do one more push on polo
[2016-10-31 23:32:33] CapitalGains : I'm with you @wurstgelee
[2016-10-31 23:32:36] wurstgelee : thats whats happening here....
[2016-10-31 23:32:40] nope : i closed my shorts at a loss when it started pumping and got back in at 0.8 when it stalled
[2016-10-31 23:32:45] wurstgelee : last sen few hours ago ;)
[2016-10-31 23:32:48] wurstgelee : *seen
[2016-10-31 23:32:51] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: but the price here isn't responding that much
[2016-10-31 23:32:57] wurstgelee : doesnt matter
[2016-10-31 23:33:01] wurstgelee : lastPrice marking
[2016-10-31 23:33:09] CapitalGains : longs at the bottom when the high longs are liquidated, shorts at the top when the low shorts are liquidated.
[2016-10-31 23:33:24] EA_FTW : Guess it still doubled. Price marking hasn't started though?
[2016-10-31 23:33:27] wurstgelee : just buy up a few btc, mc all shorts who havent an insane amount of margin
[2016-10-31 23:33:31] wurstgelee : get ADL'ed on they way
[2016-10-31 23:33:37] wurstgelee : so u dont even need bids to dump on
[2016-10-31 23:33:41] coinrun : ZEC idoent look like its done yet imo
[2016-10-31 23:33:47] coinrun : doesnt*
[2016-10-31 23:34:22] EA_FTW : coinrun: I can hope
[2016-10-31 23:35:11] wurstgelee : dumped another .2
[2016-10-31 23:35:16] CapitalGains : I don't see any reason for the Polo ZEC madness to end until there are several 1000 ZECs to dump on the market
[2016-10-31 23:35:17] wurstgelee : looks like its dying now
[2016-10-31 23:35:26] wurstgelee : *for now
[2016-10-31 23:35:28] coinrun : CapitalGains: agreed
[2016-10-31 23:35:34] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: yep
[2016-10-31 23:35:42] wurstgelee : isnt that awesome? ;)
[2016-10-31 23:35:55] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: you dumping Nicehash mined ZEC on Polo?
[2016-10-31 23:36:02] EA_FTW : So close, yet so far - https://zcash.nicehash.com/balances (sort by confirmed balance)
[2016-10-31 23:36:02] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: yep
[2016-10-31 23:36:31] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: that link does only work for you ;)
[2016-10-31 23:36:47] wurstgelee : it does for me too, but it shows me my stuff ;)
[2016-10-31 23:36:47] CapitalGains : That's pretty awesome. It's not every day you sell two alts for 4.4 BTC
[2016-10-31 23:36:56] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: indeed
[2016-10-31 23:37:06] wurstgelee : in fact....the first day for me
[2016-10-31 23:37:08] wurstgelee : never had 42 coin
[2016-10-31 23:37:09] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:37:33] wurstgelee : or Onecoin iirc?
[2016-10-31 23:37:47] wurstgelee : that shitcoin, summer 2014 iirc, that only had a supply of 1
[2016-10-31 23:37:51] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: oh, I thought that was a public list of all ZEC payouts from nicehash
[2016-10-31 23:38:01] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: oh it is?
[2016-10-31 23:38:03] wurstgelee : sec
[2016-10-31 23:38:17] EA_FTW : maybe you have to be logged in, idk
[2016-10-31 23:38:30] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: ouch
[2016-10-31 23:38:33] nope : CapitalGains: for any other altcoin i would agree but this one is different, never has there been a clone worth much more than the original, call me dumb but i believe anyone with half a brain can see where this story ends
[2016-10-31 23:38:35] wurstgelee : screenshot it
[2016-10-31 23:38:56] wurstgelee : good for laughs after some time has passed ;)
[2016-10-31 23:39:03] EA_FTW : I have, got all the evidence
[2016-10-31 23:39:30] EA_FTW : still time for a fairy tale ending - pump to 10 and pull the trigger at absolute peak ;-)
[2016-10-31 23:39:43] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-31 23:39:58] CapitalGains : I'll always remember selling 0.0001 ZEC at a price of 250 BTC
[2016-10-31 23:40:13] nope : CapitalGains: no way
[2016-10-31 23:40:27] EA_FTW : CapitalGains: wow, that is a Capital G Gain!
[2016-10-31 23:40:33] wurstgelee : fuck
[2016-10-31 23:40:42] wurstgelee : forgot about polos withdrawal limit....
[2016-10-31 23:40:45] CapitalGains : During the first 15 minutes when there was only 1 ZEC on Polo
[2016-10-31 23:41:06] EA_FTW : it's like the bitcoin pizza in reverse
[2016-10-31 23:41:18] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: yes
[2016-10-31 23:41:21] CapitalGains : A 0.0001 ZEC pizza
[2016-10-31 23:41:22] messiaen8844 : the guy who bought december futures to 780 must be worried now ;)
[2016-10-31 23:41:32] messiaen8844 : we'll know it's time to buy when we see the liquidation
[2016-10-31 23:42:04] EA_FTW : REKTasaurus incoming?
[2016-10-31 23:42:55] EA_FTW : messiaen8844: looks like he spent relatively little though? Where was orderbook then?
[2016-10-31 23:43:46] EA_FTW : a market order that went horribly wrong (someone pull the rug from under him at last second!?)
[2016-10-31 23:45:58] javierstone : what kind of trade would i use if i want to go long on XBT once it hits a certain price
[2016-10-31 23:47:22] sleger : javierstone: lower or higher price ?
[2016-10-31 23:47:33] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: still not over - got mine incoming at 2/24..
[2016-10-31 23:47:48] javierstone : lower
[2016-10-31 23:47:49] wurstgelee : 4'/24
[2016-10-31 23:47:51] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:47:54] javierstone : @sleger lower
[2016-10-31 23:47:56] wurstgelee : .13 only tho
[2016-10-31 23:48:00] sleger : limit order then
[2016-10-31 23:48:03] wurstgelee : sending the fractions as soon as available atm
[2016-10-31 23:48:05] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-10-31 23:48:29] javierstone : when i try to make the trade at a lower price it says i can't because i would liquidiate immediately
[2016-10-31 23:48:34] javierstone : sleger:
[2016-10-31 23:49:01] jordanbitfort : OKC wall at 4800 about to go down, then we will see liquidations on xbtz16
[2016-10-31 23:49:17] coinrun : whales going to rotate that small zcash float for as long as possible
[2016-10-31 23:49:24] wurstgelee : those paying 3x or 4x the price at nicehash are already fucked
[2016-10-31 23:49:46] wurstgelee : takes ages until they have those overpaid hashes on an exchanges
[2016-10-31 23:49:49] wurstgelee : also nethash jumped
[2016-10-31 23:49:54] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: nice, this is my 1.2ZEC motherlode - all pure profit. 3/24
[2016-10-31 23:50:05] wurstgelee : nice :D
[2016-10-31 23:50:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 3500 @ 730.47
[2016-10-31 23:50:33] wurstgelee : yep, i am 2 blocks ahead
[2016-10-31 23:50:50] wurstgelee : 2.4 all good
[2016-10-31 23:50:54] CapitalGains : How long is it taking you guys to mine this? How much did you pay? (24h right?)
[2016-10-31 23:51:55] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: mined for ~18h, burned 2.7 btc, mined 4.05 zec, dumping for currently 5.48939363 BTC and counting
[2016-10-31 23:51:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:52:11] wurstgelee : almost all dumped now tho, .4 zec left
[2016-10-31 23:52:30] CapitalGains : That's not the worst RoI I've ever heard of
[2016-10-31 23:52:39] wurstgelee : not really
[2016-10-31 23:52:52] wurstgelee : would have been slightly profitable @ .7
[2016-10-31 23:52:58] wurstgelee : that pump helped tho...
[2016-10-31 23:52:59] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:53:06] EA_FTW : CapitalGains: 1BTC, mined 1.8ZEC over 3 hours between 3 and 6. Best to put hashrate limit at infiinity and price reasonably high in queue to burn through BTC as quick as possible
[2016-10-31 23:53:41] wurstgelee : oh right, i used fuck all methoed: 50k hashes fixed order, 50k standard in top 10 orders
[2016-10-31 23:53:43] EA_FTW : Just got in before the pump so was very lucky (was hoping for 20% profit otherwise)
[2016-10-31 23:53:47] wurstgelee : to burn as quickly as really possible
[2016-10-31 23:53:48] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:54:02] CapitalGains : On Friday night when the first ZEC was dumped, someone put in a bid at 2 BTC and got a tiny fraction. Then the price shot up to 3200 BTC (and I presume he sold to make 1600x profit.)
[2016-10-31 23:54:11] wurstgelee : well..could have put limit higher but i wanted a constant rate
[2016-10-31 23:54:32] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: possible
[2016-10-31 23:54:54] EA_FTW : CapitalGains: yeah, I don't think anyone made more than about $10000 on Polo during the megapump as the volume was quite low
[2016-10-31 23:54:54] wurstgelee : probably a happy guy now
[2016-10-31 23:55:26] wurstgelee : if that is the case, then we had a multiple of that money in play here...
[2016-10-31 23:55:27] wurstgelee : same time
[2016-10-31 23:55:40] CapitalGains : I think the market depth of 1 ZEC was around 150 BTC at the peak.
[2016-10-31 23:56:01] CapitalGains : But I don't think anyone owned a whole ZEC at the time
[2016-10-31 23:56:25] wurstgelee : probably not. well...pooladmins could do it...
[2016-10-31 23:56:26] wurstgelee : easily
[2016-10-31 23:56:34] CapitalGains : Shorting on Bitmex at 10 BTC, now that was an opportunity I regret missing
[2016-10-31 23:56:51] EA_FTW : yeah, vol was only about 1000BTC total in time it was above 100BTC prive
[2016-10-31 23:57:07] wurstgelee : grab first mined zec, send....once required confirmations are reached, u have enough in fees and can replace the first coins
[2016-10-31 23:57:17] wurstgelee : user can withdraw
[2016-10-31 23:57:17] sleger : CapitalGains: I did sell 1@10 but then the admin came here and said they would remove the cap so i bought it back and lost lots of potential profits
[2016-10-31 23:57:17] wurstgelee : np
[2016-10-31 23:57:20] EA_FTW : CapitalGains: yeah, I hesitated and lost the opportunity, still made 2BTC as a consolation prize though ;-)
[2016-10-31 23:57:59] CapitalGains : sleger: sucks that you lost the profit, but buying it back was definitely the right choice
[2016-10-31 23:58:01] EA_FTW : 8/24 - hang in there ZEC..
[2016-10-31 23:58:10] wurstgelee : someone must have lost a shitload here...really a shitload
[2016-10-31 23:58:19] wurstgelee : we went all the way up from 1 to 8 until adlk happened
[2016-10-31 23:58:20] EA_FTW : rapidtrades?
[2016-10-31 23:58:26] wurstgelee : today it took only a simple double
[2016-10-31 23:58:36] wurstgelee : someone with really deep pockets must have lost a lot of margin...
[2016-10-31 23:58:47] wurstgelee : no, rapidtrades doesnt have that money
[2016-10-31 23:58:57] EA_FTW : right
[2016-10-31 23:59:09] EA_FTW : nice buywall at 2.3, going up?
[2016-10-31 23:59:14] wurstgelee : he is whining about his long from 3 for 2 days now...
[2016-10-31 23:59:22] wurstgelee : 1 contract
[2016-10-31 23:59:24] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 23:59:28] EA_FTW : nope, looks like it got scoffed!
[2016-10-31 23:59:52] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: yeah, how much did he lose there?
[2016-11-01 00:00:29] wurstgelee : i dont know but i know its a least a multiple of those 10k u mentioned earlier
[2016-11-01 00:00:30] CapitalGains : I vaguely remember something about long at 3
[2016-11-01 00:00:45] wurstgelee : *at
[2016-11-01 00:01:28] EA_FTW : ouch
[2016-11-01 00:02:07] EA_FTW : ..11/24..
[2016-11-01 00:03:54] CapitalGains : I really feel for people who short without realising what they're getting into. I myself shorted several weeks ago, early days, at 0.08, but fortunately pulled out at 0.1. Could have lost 10 BTC! I was also tempted to short at 2 on Friday, but again I was lucky. Learned my lesson from other people's mistakes now - I won't touch a short.
[2016-11-01 00:04:12] wurstgelee : not in that kind of market
[2016-11-01 00:04:28] wurstgelee : zero supply combined with insta-add on polo was a perfect storm
[2016-11-01 00:04:53] CapitalGains : Long on the other hand... 1x margin... I'll touch that while the going's good
[2016-11-01 00:05:09] wurstgelee : yep. 1x long is relatively safe
[2016-11-01 00:05:29] wurstgelee : i dont understand why anone would do the opposite...
[2016-11-01 00:05:33] wurstgelee : *anyone
[2016-11-01 00:05:53] CapitalGains : Well there's widespread belief that ZEC will be worth 0.1 when things calm down
[2016-11-01 00:06:01] EA_FTW : alts do tend to have a pattern where they start on a pump and then slowly fade. Can always get caught out by whale pumps when shorting though
[2016-11-01 00:06:08] wurstgelee : thats why it wont go down that far probably
[2016-11-01 00:06:09] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-11-01 00:06:09] CapitalGains : So you think, oh, it's at 4x the price, let's short
[2016-11-01 00:06:40] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: works almost always...zec isnt safe for months tho
[2016-11-01 00:06:44] wurstgelee : for shorting
[2016-11-01 00:06:53] wurstgelee : 300k on dec 30%, dev & vc funds included
[2016-11-01 00:06:59] wurstgelee : thats still nothing
[2016-11-01 00:07:15] CapitalGains : Yes indeed. I think long < 0.4 is safe for a while still.
[2016-11-01 00:07:19] EA_FTW : CapitalGains: I think we should really wait until the supply is mature though (like 100,000 zec)
[2016-11-01 00:07:23] wurstgelee : let half of that be on polo...150k....
[2016-11-01 00:07:26] wurstgelee : whales playground
[2016-11-01 00:07:27] wurstgelee : still
[2016-11-01 00:07:35] CapitalGains : EA_FTW: And then?
[2016-11-01 00:07:47] wurstgelee : 100000 sec is still nothing
[2016-11-01 00:07:52] wurstgelee : 20k of that vc and devs
[2016-11-01 00:07:58] wurstgelee : ~30% in wallets, long term etc..
[2016-11-01 00:08:01] wurstgelee : leaves 50k
[2016-11-01 00:08:02] wurstgelee : nothing
[2016-11-01 00:08:16] wurstgelee : spread on different exchanges too...
[2016-11-01 00:08:19] CapitalGains : I doubt 50k could pump to 3 BTC so easily though
[2016-11-01 00:08:22] wurstgelee : so maybe 30 on polo
[2016-11-01 00:08:43] EA_FTW : yeah, I guess real maturity isn't until millions are released. ZEC is an anomaly because no premine, and publicity from the start
[2016-11-01 00:09:01] wurstgelee : it has to be way higher than .1 to be interesting
[2016-11-01 00:09:03] wurstgelee : for polo
[2016-11-01 00:09:26] wurstgelee : 50k @ 0.1 would be 5k btc "polo cap"
[2016-11-01 00:09:28] wurstgelee : not enough mass
[2016-11-01 00:09:35] wurstgelee : price needs to be way higher
[2016-11-01 00:09:37] EA_FTW : most coins start with a sizeable fraction of total coins
[2016-11-01 00:09:56] CapitalGains : The no pre-mine approach of ZEC and the instant hype makes it a wild card... I might eventually hold one or two.
[2016-11-01 00:10:09] wurstgelee : whals need volume. volume needs market volume
[2016-11-01 00:10:10] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:10:12] CapitalGains : I'd estimate Polo will play with 0.5 - 1.3 or so for the next few months
[2016-11-01 00:10:13] wurstgelee : *e
[2016-11-01 00:10:21] EA_FTW : CapitalGains: certainly the perfect release model for an uberpump!
[2016-11-01 00:10:24] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-01 00:10:36] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: dunno if .5 but .1 is too low
[2016-11-01 00:10:39] wurstgelee : wont happen
[2016-11-01 00:11:00] EA_FTW : ..16/24.. Can I get 2BTC/ZEC?
[2016-11-01 00:11:06] wurstgelee : .3 isnt a bad entry for a long if if u hold until dec 30
[2016-11-01 00:11:07] wurstgelee : imo
[2016-11-01 00:11:19] CapitalGains : Yes, I think you will get 2.
[2016-11-01 00:11:45] wurstgelee : still a lot guesswork ofc, still fucking early in the game
[2016-11-01 00:12:12] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: Agreed. But why would you hold - and can you even hold without getting adl when the shorts are liquidated? Gotta keep buying back.
[2016-11-01 00:12:15] wurstgelee : but from what i have seen, i like that game
[2016-11-01 00:12:16] wurstgelee : a lot
[2016-11-01 00:12:17] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:12:49] CapitalGains : It's the first time for me that trading has become significantly more profitable than my normal work...
[2016-11-01 00:12:50] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: i had 3 great result with patiently building longs and letting them get ADL
[2016-11-01 00:13:02] wurstgelee : i tend to buy back to early usually
[2016-11-01 00:13:13] wurstgelee : *too
[2016-11-01 00:13:31] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: lol....oh yes
[2016-11-01 00:13:44] wurstgelee : @ more profitable
[2016-11-01 00:14:10] wurstgelee : significantly is far from being an exaggeration tbh
[2016-11-01 00:14:12] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:15:25] CapitalGains : The greatest temptation is to go long when the price approaches 1 BTC (I get flashbacks of Friday). But I don't/haven't/won't. Although I'd cry if it broke through 1 again without having a long position.
[2016-11-01 00:15:28] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: will prob be the first year i have to also pay significant capital gains taxes...
[2016-11-01 00:15:41] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: yep. 1 is dangerous...REALLy dangerous
[2016-11-01 00:15:49] CapitalGains : Haha me too if I'm not careful
[2016-11-01 00:15:53] nope : CapitalGains: yup, made more in the last 72hrs than I will over the next two months at my full time job
[2016-11-01 00:16:23] wurstgelee : nope: 10 months here. net salary after taxes
[2016-11-01 00:16:24] wurstgelee : :P
[2016-11-01 00:16:34] EA_FTW : Wow!
[2016-11-01 00:16:38] wurstgelee : since friday
[2016-11-01 00:16:44] nope : wurstgelee: congrats brotha!
[2016-11-01 00:16:49] laisee : time to retire from day job?
[2016-11-01 00:16:50] EA_FTW : I've got pretty much no other income, so can say Infinity ;-)
[2016-11-01 00:16:59] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-11-01 00:17:00] wurstgelee : also
[2016-11-01 00:17:04] wurstgelee : laisee: no way
[2016-11-01 00:17:07] wurstgelee : i love my job
[2016-11-01 00:17:09] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:17:15] zanza : congrats on your casino wins
[2016-11-01 00:17:17] wurstgelee : i can trade all day...it admin
[2016-11-01 00:17:18] wurstgelee : :P
[2016-11-01 00:17:39] CapitalGains : Congrats! Just don't fall victim to the gambler's curse - cash in on a lot of the profit and put it somewhere safer. Not all of it, of course.
[2016-11-01 00:17:40] wurstgelee : zanza: i was casino, nothing else
[2016-11-01 00:17:52] laisee : heh, I work IT also. Quite flexible re usee of tablets and phones for trading
[2016-11-01 00:18:04] wurstgelee : CapitalGains: i have witdrawn >80% the next day
[2016-11-01 00:18:07] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:18:20] wurstgelee : laisee: yep
[2016-11-01 00:18:23] wurstgelee : indeed
[2016-11-01 00:18:39] wurstgelee : 2 displays for work and 1 for bitmex/charts
[2016-11-01 00:18:40] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:18:50] laisee : ;-)
[2016-11-01 00:18:51] EA_FTW : Cool, I'm going to cashout my winnings for a change (normally just increase my ETH holdings)
[2016-11-01 00:19:03] nope : zanza: i don't gamble, but i will go all in on sure things, this was the closest thing to a layup i've ever seen in my life, and i've been trading since the dotcom bust in the late 90's
[2016-11-01 00:19:14] CapitalGains : Good good. I haven't hit my target profit, but once I do I'm going to withdraw a chunk to good old fiat.
[2016-11-01 00:19:28] CapitalGains : nope: what's a layup?
[2016-11-01 00:19:59] wurstgelee : something rare i'd assume ;)
[2016-11-01 00:20:26] zanza : an easy shot
[2016-11-01 00:20:29] EA_FTW : Hmm, only 10BTC to 2.5.. has it got anymore legs?
[2016-11-01 00:20:33] nope : wurstgelee: american basketball, easiest points you can get
[2016-11-01 00:20:35] laisee : nah, its the easiest shot in basketball game.
[2016-11-01 00:20:46] wurstgelee : nope: right :)
[2016-11-01 00:21:29] wurstgelee : thats why i know someone lost a shitload btw. i had a bunch of longs open since .7 or something and they all got ADL @ 8.something iirc
[2016-11-01 00:21:30] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-01 00:21:50] CapitalGains : Jealous ;)
[2016-11-01 00:22:09] wurstgelee : i would be 2 tbh
[2016-11-01 00:22:26] wurstgelee : so, a big part of that was luck anyways...expected adl way earlier.
[2016-11-01 00:22:32] wurstgelee : but hey, its a casino ;)
[2016-11-01 00:22:39] wurstgelee : you need luck sometimes
[2016-11-01 00:23:06] CapitalGains : Or no pre-mine, in this case
[2016-11-01 00:23:11] wurstgelee : hehe, yep
[2016-11-01 00:23:32] wurstgelee : it helped that i was convinced from day 1 that this would happen. ;)
[2016-11-01 00:23:54] EA_FTW : 23/24.. seems to be teetering on a knife edge
[2016-11-01 00:23:58] wurstgelee : well, not exactly this, but i expected 5 btc as peak or sth
[2016-11-01 00:24:05] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: oohhh
[2016-11-01 00:24:07] wurstgelee : mom
[2016-11-01 00:24:18] EA_FTW : everyone's waiting
[2016-11-01 00:24:43] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: dumped