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[2016-10-31 15:25:24] sleger : Rado: i'm saying there is no reason for that so dont ask me the reason for it....
[2016-10-31 15:25:26] Shenol : it would only matter if you can sell elsewhere and buy here, but it is not possible to sell on any other exchange?
[2016-10-31 15:25:29] rapidtrades : then they can mark it to -10%
[2016-10-31 15:25:59] rapidtrades : don't forget cap will also get removed
[2016-10-31 15:26:11] rapidtrades : some shorts will bail
[2016-10-31 15:26:20] chromaticcr1 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ZECZ16 Fair Basis -0.4161288 Fair Basis Rate -350%
[2016-10-31 15:26:39] Rado : chromaticcr1: you don't see a problem with this?
[2016-10-31 15:26:42] sleger : mark price will be pretty much what it is now after they switch
[2016-10-31 15:26:53] rapidtrades : sleger: ur so full of it
[2016-10-31 15:27:03] sleger : rapidtrades: do you even lift ?
[2016-10-31 15:27:10] rapidtrades : i lift ur momma
[2016-10-31 15:27:12] chromaticcr1 : that's what the market came up with, what's the problem
[2016-10-31 15:27:12] sleger : or understand how marking will work ?
[2016-10-31 15:27:17] Shenol : I disagree, it's only relevant if you can hedge on another exchange
[2016-10-31 15:27:31] Rado : chromaticcr1: then we don't need to mark XBT contracts as well
[2016-10-31 15:27:33] Rado : who cares
[2016-10-31 15:27:45] rapidtrades : dude..announcement comes, ppl buy up...it's not gonna be marked to polo-basis...there will be a 24h window for the buying frenzy
[2016-10-31 15:27:46] Rado : MMs can push the price any direction they want
[2016-10-31 15:27:59] sleger : xbt is a swap not a futures
[2016-10-31 15:28:04] sleger : please try to understand how things work
[2016-10-31 15:28:31] rapidtrades : sleger: if u don't see problem with using a %300 basis rate for margin they ur a worse trader than a thought
[2016-10-31 15:29:06] sleger : rapidtrades: then what do you think the fair basis should be ?
[2016-10-31 15:29:17] kradiav : 0.05
[2016-10-31 15:29:19] rapidtrades : idk 10-20%?
[2016-10-31 15:29:27] rapidtrades : below polo?
[2016-10-31 15:29:30] Shenol : if people believe that ZEC will cost current price and contract expiry date is there a reason for price change when it's marked?
[2016-10-31 15:29:40] Rado : rapidtrades: it should not be a fixed %
[2016-10-31 15:29:49] rapidtrades : but it will be
[2016-10-31 15:29:57] Rado : market needs to make teh price I agree with sleger
[2016-10-31 15:30:04] sleger : rapidtrades: 10-20%, ok random numbers we are using great
[2016-10-31 15:30:09] Rado : but we would not know what that price is until it is marked to the exchange
[2016-10-31 15:30:20] Rado : he might as well be right it will be the same, but might not be
[2016-10-31 15:30:27] sleger : Rado: it WONT be marked to polo when they switch
[2016-10-31 15:30:42] rapidtrades : sleger: that's 60-120% per annum...wouldn't u agree that's generious under any circmstances?
[2016-10-31 15:30:44] sleger : WONT = WILL NOT
[2016-10-31 15:30:54] sleger : rapidtrades: no
[2016-10-31 15:30:59] rapidtrades : k then
[2016-10-31 15:31:02] sleger : not under those circumstances
[2016-10-31 15:31:04] chromaticcr1 : what about that i offer you a contract on Zimbabwe dollar v USD in 2008, no way that shorting that would have a basis less than -300% when inflation per day is ~100%
[2016-10-31 15:31:08] Rado : well pricing source will be Polo
[2016-10-31 15:31:16] sleger : Rado: yes
[2016-10-31 15:31:21] j8 : it's the only way to short, there's no limit to what a reasonable discount could be
[2016-10-31 15:31:21] sleger : index price will be polo
[2016-10-31 15:31:26] Rado : right
[2016-10-31 15:31:30] Rado : that's all we want
[2016-10-31 15:31:30] sleger : index price is not mark price
[2016-10-31 15:31:34] Rado : how hard is that
[2016-10-31 15:31:41] sleger : index price is used for what ?
[2016-10-31 15:31:53] arbitrage001 : no point arguing.
[2016-10-31 15:32:01] arbitrage001 : if anyone thing it is cheap, then buy
[2016-10-31 15:32:09] Rado : it's part of the marking calculation
[2016-10-31 15:32:09] arbitrage001 : *think*
[2016-10-31 15:32:17] chromaticcr1 : now, it is for fun ;) , wait for the ann
[2016-10-31 15:32:20] sleger : Rado: it is but it s not
[2016-10-31 15:32:23] arbitrage001 : or if anyone think it is expensive, then short
[2016-10-31 15:32:27] sleger : Rado: 1+x - x =1
[2016-10-31 15:32:32] sleger : x is part of it as well
[2016-10-31 15:32:48] rapidtrades : i don't advise anyone to touch zec, rules can change at any time
[2016-10-31 15:32:51] sleger : Rado: again, read how marking will work
[2016-10-31 15:32:55] Rado : arbitrage001: the problem is that if the price here is closer to the Polo price we can short with less risk
[2016-10-31 15:33:03] rapidtrades : and these jokers are not regulated so unless u can sue them ur SOL
[2016-10-31 15:33:13] arbitrage001 : Rado: dont think you fully understand how future contract work
[2016-10-31 15:33:21] Rado : arbitrage001: I do
[2016-10-31 15:33:48] sleger : doesnt seem like it right now
[2016-10-31 15:33:54] Rado : if the price will be the same because there is a lot of time and people thing it will fall then what is the problem of marking
[2016-10-31 15:34:06] Rado : I don't understand what is the issue
[2016-10-31 15:34:09] rapidtrades : 300% is 5% per day
[2016-10-31 15:34:18] arbitrage001 : future should not be marked anyway
[2016-10-31 15:34:18] rapidtrades : that's bonkers
[2016-10-31 15:34:25] sleger : rapidtrades: how fast per day the price went down on polo so far ?
[2016-10-31 15:34:27] arbitrage001 : last price will do fine
[2016-10-31 15:34:32] sleger : how many % per day ???
[2016-10-31 15:34:44] rapidtrades : sleger: what does it matter u dummy...it will bottom out at some point
[2016-10-31 15:34:53] Rado : arbitrage001: is ETC marked?
[2016-10-31 15:34:55] sleger : rapidtrades: then you dont understand basis
[2016-10-31 15:34:56] rapidtrades : we'll be marking it at extreme levels of sentiment
[2016-10-31 15:35:07] sleger : basis cost
[2016-10-31 15:35:10] rapidtrades : this is like marking bitcoin when it hit 800
[2016-10-31 15:35:27] rapidtrades : only 10x worse
[2016-10-31 15:35:40] arbitrage001 : Rado: no idea, i dont trade etc
[2016-10-31 15:35:57] arbitrage001 : Rado: and marking played no part on how i trade
[2016-10-31 15:36:13] Rado : arbitrage001: of course it doesn't
[2016-10-31 15:36:17] Rado : that's not the point
[2016-10-31 15:36:34] Rado : rules should be the same for all instruments that are of the same type
[2016-10-31 15:36:59] rapidtrades : honestly if u ppl can't see why using a 0.27 price for liquidations and margin is wrong when polo is at .73 i dunno what to tell u
[2016-10-31 15:37:16] Rado : otherwise there is no consistency and rules can change all the time
[2016-10-31 15:37:31] rapidtrades : enjoy the daily stream of newbs to chat 'gus y did get liqudted when polos is at x'
[2016-10-31 15:37:40] rapidtrades : it will be a f mess
[2016-10-31 15:37:52] j8 : rapidtrades: if there was ZEC margin trading you might see that ZEC is super expensive to short, and the basis makes sense
[2016-10-31 15:38:03] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: learn the rules and try to exploit it
[2016-10-31 15:38:05] rapidtrades : might as well mark this shit as ZEC-300%
[2016-10-31 15:38:09] arbitrage001 : that is how one profit
[2016-10-31 15:38:15] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: im not touching this shit
[2016-10-31 15:38:20] arbitrage001 : then dont
[2016-10-31 15:38:28] rapidtrades : burned twice is enough, i learned my lesson from bitfinex
[2016-10-31 15:38:35] chromaticcr1 : aren't you in deep shit right now? -2.7BTC deep
[2016-10-31 15:38:40] rapidtrades : gives ppl another chance and they will screw u
[2016-10-31 15:38:54] rapidtrades : chromaticcr1: yea keeping that and not adding shit
[2016-10-31 15:39:06] rapidtrades : hopefully they don't delist the contract
[2016-10-31 15:40:00] rapidtrades : there's too many ppl with green names here
[2016-10-31 15:40:13] Rado : ha ha
[2016-10-31 15:40:31] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: I agree trading ZEC at the moment is way to risky
[2016-10-31 15:40:36] CaptainDean : too*
[2016-10-31 15:40:59] Rado : not sure if BitMEX can add more colors to the chat app
[2016-10-31 15:42:20] rapidtrades : it's pointless to argue until we see what they do
[2016-10-31 15:42:52] Rado : http://www.blockcdn.org/ CDN platform build on top of Ethereum
[2016-10-31 15:42:57] rapidtrades : bitmex ignores 99% of input and what they implement will be months down the line
[2016-10-31 15:42:58] Rado : ICO November
[2016-10-31 15:46:11] Rado : https://t.co/W4Wkf7T5my
[2016-10-31 15:46:26] Rado : Live map of reachable nodes in the #Bitcoin network
[2016-10-31 15:49:49] sleger : everything is built on top of ethereum
[2016-10-31 15:50:57] Amanni : have any one held about dis company http://www.cashtrading.com.ng/
[2016-10-31 15:55:00] Rado : Amanni: seems like a crappy site
[2016-10-31 15:56:09] Smartass : Amanni: give the money rather to me than to those guys ;)
[2016-10-31 15:56:11] Amanni : sure crappy
[2016-10-31 15:56:46] Amanni : they got me already
[2016-10-31 15:57:25] Amanni : i just parted away 180 bitc
[2016-10-31 15:57:29] Smartass : Amanni: why would you do that so many good sites - Bitfinex is o.k. too or Poloni or shapeshift...
[2016-10-31 15:57:51] Smartass : what is bitc
[2016-10-31 15:59:25] Amanni : bitcoin
[2016-10-31 16:00:33] coinrun : Long ZEC
[2016-10-31 16:10:05] Amanni : guys how can will report that site before another victim emerge
[2016-10-31 16:13:05] TwinnerD : Amanni: are you retarded?
[2016-10-31 16:15:14] MrRGnome : Amanni: Are you saying you lost 180 btc to some random scam site?
[2016-10-31 16:16:14] Amanni : yes i did
[2016-10-31 16:16:43] Amanni : and i so wish i can beat my brain so badly
[2016-10-31 16:17:20] sally : Amanni: did you just get into btc or something ? wth lol
[2016-10-31 16:19:17] MrRGnome : Amanni: Buddy that's insane. What motivated you to trust so much money to someone else? I wouldn't even trust that much here - anywhere really
[2016-10-31 16:19:45] Amanni : like i wanted cash fast
[2016-10-31 16:20:02] MrRGnome : Amanni: How did you buy 180 btc? Why not go back the same way you came in
[2016-10-31 16:20:31] Amanni : how do u mean
[2016-10-31 16:20:41] MrRGnome : You got 180 btc from somewhere
[2016-10-31 16:20:56] MrRGnome : Was it the same site that scammed you? How did you get your 180 btc and why didn't you use the same service
[2016-10-31 16:23:08] Amanni : i do have a blockchian acct
[2016-10-31 16:23:59] arbitrage001 : Amanni: should do homework and research before you send anyone money
[2016-10-31 16:24:16] MrRGnome : I'm amazed you managed to get 180 btc without any clear idea how
[2016-10-31 16:24:20] arbitrage001 : and understand bitcoin before making any "investment"
[2016-10-31 16:24:53] arbitrage001 : MrRGnome: many lawyers, doctors and engineers think they are smarter than anyone else
[2016-10-31 16:25:23] arbitrage001 : and they do make good money on the services they provide
[2016-10-31 16:25:31] arbitrage001 : hence easy target from con-man
[2016-10-31 16:25:43] MrRGnome : And some people pretend to be lawyers to pretend to be smarter than everyone else. *cough* rapidtrades *cough*
[2016-10-31 16:26:30] MrRGnome : Amanni: Well whatever happened, I'm genuinely sorry for you. Was 180 btc more than you could afford to lose?
[2016-10-31 16:28:40] TwinnerD : guys, don't beleive the troll
[2016-10-31 16:28:50] MrRGnome : Amanni: Uh... that site you linked doesn't even deal in bitcoin do you have any idea what you are talking about? I'm doubting that these 180 btc even existed
[2016-10-31 16:30:04] Amanni : just a moment am send evidence
[2016-10-31 16:31:02] arbitrage001 : Amanni: report to the authority
[2016-10-31 16:31:12] coinrun : http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/new-bitcoin-rival-promises-anonymity-for-online-purchases.html
[2016-10-31 16:31:20] arbitrage001 : giving us evidence serve no purpose
[2016-10-31 16:31:58] arbitrage001 : coinrun: nice
[2016-10-31 16:31:58] MrRGnome : coinrun: Wow what a garbage story by someone who doesn't understand zcash
[2016-10-31 16:32:15] arbitrage001 : coinrun: more retail traders take notice == fomo
[2016-10-31 16:33:14] coinrun : Just posting the article. No bias here. Just interesting to note that ZEC hasnt really dumped with bid support at POLO
[2016-10-31 16:33:20] coinrun : We may be in for some fun
[2016-10-31 16:33:29] arbitrage001 : yeah
[2016-10-31 16:33:42] arbitrage001 : will be happy if it hit 5btc
[2016-10-31 16:33:43] MrRGnome : for sure. That ugly child is going to move every direction
[2016-10-31 16:33:47] blacktuesday : I had a limit sell oder to short 1 zcash at 0.289 - I woke up today to see it got filled, and then 5hrs later there was a buy order at 0.433499 that closed my position. any idea what happened here? was this ADL or liquidation that closed my position? How can I check what happened ( not a big deal, just curious).
[2016-10-31 16:33:47] tomato : bitmex have APP trade？
[2016-10-31 16:34:16] coinrun : Shorts shouldnt trade zec on leverage/margin
[2016-10-31 16:34:28] arbitrage001 : blacktuesday: you got margin call
[2016-10-31 16:34:29] coinrun : good feeling yous guys are going to get liquidated.
[2016-10-31 16:34:32] chromaticcr1 : tomato: no there isn't an app for Bitmex
[2016-10-31 16:34:49] chromaticcr1 : only mobile version of the trading webpage
[2016-10-31 16:34:50] MrRGnome : you can install bitmex using ios or andriod by click "add to homescreen"
[2016-10-31 16:34:59] MrRGnome : gives more native functionality and alerts
[2016-10-31 16:35:33] sleger : "coinrun: Shorts shouldnt trade zec on leverage/margin" <- lol
[2016-10-31 16:35:46] sleger : coinrun: explain how to short zec NOT on margin ?
[2016-10-31 16:36:17] coinrun : change to 1x
[2016-10-31 16:36:30] Amanni : October 29 @ 10:28 PM Sent To: 3FRmawgyVwX8zhcfiX5wdNNb2SoRNj8CmJ From: My Bitcoin Wallet Add a description $177.50 Transaction Confirmed Value when Sent : $180.04 Transaction Fee: $0.08
[2016-10-31 16:36:43] arbitrage001 : coinrun: what if zcash hit 1000 btc
[2016-10-31 16:36:55] coinrun : Ill be rich @arbitrage001
[2016-10-31 16:36:57] sleger : coinrun: no
[2016-10-31 16:37:02] MrRGnome : Amanni: bahahaha
[2016-10-31 16:37:04] arbitrage001 : how much margin will be needed to short, i mean
[2016-10-31 16:37:07] MrRGnome : "I lost 180 btc!"
[2016-10-31 16:37:11] sleger : coinrun: that's still on margin dummy
[2016-10-31 16:37:23] coinrun : 1x is on margin?
[2016-10-31 16:37:26] TwinnerD : Amanni: lol 180$
[2016-10-31 16:37:29] TwinnerD : you are scum
[2016-10-31 16:37:35] TwinnerD : master troll
[2016-10-31 16:37:35] coinrun : please explain genius
[2016-10-31 16:37:37] thomaskikansha : naked shorts :S
[2016-10-31 16:37:52] sleger : coinrun: think about it
[2016-10-31 16:38:07] coinrun : Already did. You are not using leverage
[2016-10-31 16:38:12] MrRGnome : coinrun: Since there is no price cieling you are always on margin when shorting without a 1x stop
[2016-10-31 16:38:14] chromaticcr1 : if you hover your cursor to the word "mrgin" in "open position"...
[2016-10-31 16:38:17] coinrun : hence 1x
[2016-10-31 16:38:18] sleger : yes you are @coinrun
[2016-10-31 16:38:23] TwinnerD : coinrun: you are wrong
[2016-10-31 16:38:23] Amanni : u guys funny that no be better bar
[2016-10-31 16:38:26] chromaticcr1 : you can see a detailed explanation of what is "margin"
[2016-10-31 16:38:32] wurstgelee : lol wtf. suprnova back up, now nicehash in maintenance....
[2016-10-31 16:38:37] wurstgelee : fuckers
[2016-10-31 16:39:19] arbitrage001 : let's collectively pump zcash to 10btc
[2016-10-31 16:39:28] arbitrage001 : pretty sure someone will get adled
[2016-10-31 16:39:41] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: i would love to have some more orders filled first tbh :p
[2016-10-31 16:39:55] chromaticcr1 : 0.5 is more than enough for adl'ing ppl
[2016-10-31 16:39:59] arbitrage001 : then pump it back down to 0.2
[2016-10-31 16:40:02] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: would be better to wait for announcement
[2016-10-31 16:40:03] wurstgelee : also means more low shorts -> more adl
[2016-10-31 16:40:05] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 16:40:12] MrRGnome : I'm not playing with zec anymore, too scary. I'mma get me some meth bounce.
[2016-10-31 16:40:21] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-10-31 16:40:23] sleger : coinrun: did you figure it out ?
[2016-10-31 16:40:25] rapidtrades : so the panic of shorts helps u
[2016-10-31 16:40:31] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: ofc
[2016-10-31 16:40:42] wurstgelee : so far aqll is going well ;)
[2016-10-31 16:40:45] wurstgelee : *all
[2016-10-31 16:40:56] rapidtrades : imagine how much money if that liq fund
[2016-10-31 16:41:06] rapidtrades : they#ve been rapin ppl for 3 days now
[2016-10-31 16:41:18] rapidtrades : maybe we could ush to 9-10 without ADL
[2016-10-31 16:41:30] MrRGnome : rapidtrades: but people have been getting ADLed too, if there is ADL nothing is going intot he insurance fund the fund is empty
[2016-10-31 16:41:33] rapidtrades : 10x profits on 90% of our coins
[2016-10-31 16:41:51] rapidtrades : MrRGnome: ah are u sure? anyone ADLed?
[2016-10-31 16:41:53] coinrun : sleger: nope.
[2016-10-31 16:41:54] wurstgelee : also breakeven reached. bought hash for 3 btc, still have 0.7 of that running
[2016-10-31 16:41:58] chromaticcr1 : nah, 1.25x is already 3 lights, people are probably at great leverage
[2016-10-31 16:42:04] MrRGnome : rapidtrades: I guess I'm not sure on anything inthe last 24 hours
[2016-10-31 16:42:31] wurstgelee : chromaticcr1: i am on 1x - and i have 4 lights
[2016-10-31 16:42:32] sleger : chromaticcr1: short 1 etc on 1x and see what your liq price is dummy
[2016-10-31 16:42:52] sleger : chromaticcr1: sorry wasnt for you
[2016-10-31 16:42:59] sleger : short 1 etc on 1x and see what your liq price is dummy @coinrun
[2016-10-31 16:43:15] MrRGnome : sleger: You could maybe argue a short with a 1x margin stop loss isn't leveraged, even though it technically is
[2016-10-31 16:43:16] chromaticcr1 : wurstgelee: then seems like you are in a lot of profit
[2016-10-31 16:43:23] chromaticcr1 : great one
[2016-10-31 16:43:27] wurstgelee : chromaticcr1: oops, may bad. i must have switched to 1.25
[2016-10-31 16:43:37] sleger : MrRGnome: it is leveraged and esp it is on margin, what he said
[2016-10-31 16:43:39] wurstgelee : k, 1x still 4 lights
[2016-10-31 16:43:49] rapidtrades : that's lame
[2016-10-31 16:43:57] rapidtrades : fund must be empty
[2016-10-31 16:44:00] wurstgelee : chromaticcr1: not really, rather small at these levels
[2016-10-31 16:44:12] wurstgelee : yep, no fund
[2016-10-31 16:44:18] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: actually, you could mean your counterparty is using high leverage
[2016-10-31 16:44:19] wurstgelee : easy adl
[2016-10-31 16:44:22] chromaticcr1 : that means liq party is easy to go with
[2016-10-31 16:44:30] wurstgelee : chromaticcr1: makes sense
[2016-10-31 16:44:37] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: small pump will adl him and get you profit
[2016-10-31 16:45:09] wurstgelee : you get closed if your counterparty causes adl?
[2016-10-31 16:45:17] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: yes
[2016-10-31 16:45:18] wurstgelee : wait, that makes sense
[2016-10-31 16:45:20] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-31 16:45:26] wurstgelee : excellent :D
[2016-10-31 16:45:36] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: go exploit it ..
[2016-10-31 16:45:56] wurstgelee : as mentioned earlier...orders...waiting....i have patience ;)
[2016-10-31 16:46:01] chromaticcr1 : ain't got the money to do so
[2016-10-31 16:46:10] wurstgelee : theres a 24h warning to marking
[2016-10-31 16:46:13] wurstgelee : so no need to rush
[2016-10-31 16:46:14] rapidtrades : the more we talk about the more asks these tools add
[2016-10-31 16:46:18] MrRGnome : arbitrage001: I think okcoin uses a counterparty system while adl uses a queue determined by leverage and pnl
[2016-10-31 16:46:31] arbitrage001 : MrRGnome: maybe
[2016-10-31 16:46:35] rapidtrades : woodchipper does clawbacks
[2016-10-31 16:46:40] rapidtrades : no ADL there
[2016-10-31 16:47:00] arbitrage001 : when i enter my small zcash position with low leverage, all my lights are on
[2016-10-31 16:47:13] rapidtrades : that sucks
[2016-10-31 16:47:15] arbitrage001 : come back 2 hours later, my counterparty got adl
[2016-10-31 16:47:23] rapidtrades : i only have 1 but then again im long since 3
[2016-10-31 16:47:33] chromaticcr1 : either everyone is going all crazy or you are the only one profiting
[2016-10-31 16:47:36] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: still the one from the missed exit?
[2016-10-31 16:47:46] rapidtrades : 1 light
[2016-10-31 16:48:09] wurstgelee : of, big loss atm...very unlikely to get adl ;)
[2016-10-31 16:48:12] wurstgelee : *c
[2016-10-31 16:48:19] wurstgelee : hence 1 light
[2016-10-31 16:49:27] lockhedge : MrRGnome: CryptoFacilities closes your counterparty's position, here it's a central counterparty and positions with the highest leveraged profits get closed
[2016-10-31 16:49:45] coinrun : Iceberg ZEC sell order at .295 BTC disappeared
[2016-10-31 16:49:58] rapidtrades : good, f that guy
[2016-10-31 16:50:29] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: nice then
[2016-10-31 16:50:39] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: use the light as an indicator to pump
[2016-10-31 16:50:59] arbitrage001 : or dump
[2016-10-31 16:51:07] rapidtrades : lockhedge is a shortie
[2016-10-31 16:51:14] rapidtrades : f*cking traitor
[2016-10-31 16:51:39] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: shorting new coin takes courage
[2016-10-31 16:51:53] arbitrage001 : and insanity
[2016-10-31 16:51:59] rapidtrades : doesn't take that much courage with the cap
[2016-10-31 16:52:00] chromaticcr1 : and margin
[2016-10-31 16:52:27] MrRGnome : even shorting zcash at 10 was a huge gamble on whether or no bitmex would hold their cap. There has never been a safe zcash short
[2016-10-31 16:52:56] CapitalGains : arbitrage001: do you have enough margin to short safely, taking the short squeezes into account?
[2016-10-31 16:53:04] coinrun : This looks like a basing pattern on ZECZ16
[2016-10-31 16:53:04] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: :)
[2016-10-31 16:53:16] arbitrage001 : CapitalGains: there can never be enough margin to short
[2016-10-31 16:53:56] lopol : so one whale would destory all zec shortes with one huge buy?
[2016-10-31 16:54:04] coinrun : lopol: yep lol
[2016-10-31 16:54:11] arbitrage001 : lopol: yes
[2016-10-31 16:54:24] aethlios : lopol: only those with liq. price below 10
[2016-10-31 16:54:25] coinrun : domino effect
[2016-10-31 16:54:38] MrRGnome : goes in either direction really, low volume markets ar elike that
[2016-10-31 16:54:41] lockhedge : rapidtrades: i'm not trading ZEC. didn't have the balls to short it
[2016-10-31 16:54:42] MrRGnome : i.e. manipulated
[2016-10-31 16:56:15] CapitalGains : lockhedge: because of the mentioned domino effect, going long has actually become an attractive offer (with a low bid). Then the deleveraging works in your favour
[2016-10-31 16:57:01] wurstgelee : lopol: u dont happen have to char "_" in your twitter handle? ;)
[2016-10-31 16:57:05] wurstgelee : just guessing
[2016-10-31 16:57:15] wurstgelee : *to=the
[2016-10-31 16:57:38] chromaticcr1 : 14 hours since last short liq of ZECZ16 @ 0.36
[2016-10-31 16:58:01] CapitalGains : where do you see those stats?
[2016-10-31 16:58:10] chromaticcr1 : trollbox archive
[2016-10-31 17:11:30] coinrun : ZEC here we goo
[2016-10-31 17:12:39] wurstgelee : 1st btc: profitability ~ 30%, 2nd btc: ~17, 3rd btc: 4.5%
[2016-10-31 17:12:41] wurstgelee : i am done
[2016-10-31 17:12:47] wurstgelee : all via nicehash
[2016-10-31 17:13:03] wurstgelee : not worth it anymore
[2016-10-31 17:13:06] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: profit going down on zcash mining?
[2016-10-31 17:13:09] jordanbitfort : sorry u got scammed
[2016-10-31 17:13:11] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-31 17:13:14] arbitrage001 : bullish new for long
[2016-10-31 17:13:20] wurstgelee : jordanbitfort: moi?
[2016-10-31 17:13:54] arbitrage001 : cheaper to buy from market than mining
[2016-10-31 17:14:25] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: had no idea about profitability (at least for the general public - home miner's are bett off, cloud miners are fucked)
[2016-10-31 17:14:38] wurstgelee : so carried out a little experiment
[2016-10-31 17:14:43] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 17:14:50] arbitrage001 : home miner have other costs
[2016-10-31 17:15:14] arbitrage001 : normally the hassle isnt worth the profit
[2016-10-31 17:15:20] wurstgelee : yeah, but generally better because nicehash takes its share
[2016-10-31 17:15:23] arbitrage001 : if there is any profit at all
[2016-10-31 17:15:25] wurstgelee : prob not a lot tho
[2016-10-31 17:15:59] wurstgelee : i had >100kSol, ~5% nethash
[2016-10-31 17:16:12] arbitrage001 : 5% a day still a lot
[2016-10-31 17:16:19] arbitrage001 : if the risk is low
[2016-10-31 17:16:25] arbitrage001 : will keep doing it
[2016-10-31 17:16:39] wurstgelee : i am not sure if it would work out with a 4th probe
[2016-10-31 17:16:55] wurstgelee : maybe i should do one
[2016-10-31 17:17:00] wurstgelee : for science!
[2016-10-31 17:17:40] aethlios : place a low price on nicehash and wait for a spike in price to sell, place sell order 35% above, zcash do some bear market rallies
[2016-10-31 17:17:53] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: i have to admit i was lazy tho, used ~ 50% fixed orders to not have to care about if thy are currently running or not
[2016-10-31 17:18:01] wurstgelee : aethlios: exactly, thats the usual way
[2016-10-31 17:18:11] wurstgelee : i wanted results. fast. :)
[2016-10-31 17:18:45] chromaticcr1 : seems everyone is placing hidden orders around
[2016-10-31 17:19:28] CapitalGains : Yip. Makes for a nice game.
[2016-10-31 17:20:27] CapitalGains : In a sense, it provides a measure of competitiveness which compensates for the low liquidity
[2016-10-31 17:25:22] wurstgelee : i like it tbh. it's like playing chess with partly hidden pawns thanks to lastPrice marking. ;)
[2016-10-31 17:25:31] chromaticcr1 : or perhaps everyone is tired of the 1-pip-below guy
[2016-10-31 17:25:44] wurstgelee : *and an unknown number of pawns ;)
[2016-10-31 17:28:38] rapidtrades : do u guys think we're basing on ZEC
[2016-10-31 17:31:40] coinrun : yes above .25 support @rapidtrades
[2016-10-31 17:32:13] rapidtrades : no i meant on polo, this market is manipulated
[2016-10-31 17:32:35] wurstgelee : wooow
[2016-10-31 17:32:42] wurstgelee : zec @ polo ;)
[2016-10-31 17:32:58] rapidtrades : once we break 1 on polo a frenzy of buying will be unleashed
[2016-10-31 17:33:11] lanbetatester : Test a...b....c
[2016-10-31 17:33:35] wurstgelee : not much volume tho... prob an idiot if nothing follows
[2016-10-31 17:33:55] coinrun : Damn son CNBC pump in polo
[2016-10-31 17:33:57] rapidtrades : its volatile that's for sure
[2016-10-31 17:34:05] rapidtrades : coinrun: wat
[2016-10-31 17:34:19] coinrun : rapidtrades: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/new-bitcoin-rival-promises-anonymity-for-online-purchases.html
[2016-10-31 17:34:24] wurstgelee : whats a CNBC?
[2016-10-31 17:34:29] rapidtrades : BUY BUY BUY
[2016-10-31 17:34:32] wurstgelee : @ admins: it's lagging again....
[2016-10-31 17:34:35] rapidtrades : our coin is on CNBC
[2016-10-31 17:34:36] coinrun : Large financial news network
[2016-10-31 17:34:57] wurstgelee : coinrun: yeah, i know, i thought you were talking about an alt or sth
[2016-10-31 17:34:59] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 17:35:20] rapidtrades : it's 2hrs old, do u think polo knows about it
[2016-10-31 17:35:59] coinrun : rapidtrades: inefficient market. Who do you think was buying ZEc on the way down.
[2016-10-31 17:36:07] wurstgelee : coinrun just mentioned it, i guess he was talking about polo pumping on that vey news
[2016-10-31 17:36:08] wurstgelee : *very
[2016-10-31 17:36:14] rapidtrades : coinrun: the jews?
[2016-10-31 17:36:30] coinrun : rapidtrades: Illuminati confirmed
[2016-10-31 17:36:40] coinrun : triangle pattern lol
[2016-10-31 17:36:41] rapidtrades : Donald Trump?
[2016-10-31 17:36:47] rapidtrades : idk how was buying
[2016-10-31 17:36:57] wurstgelee : by pressing "buy"
[2016-10-31 17:36:58] rapidtrades : habiji's grandma?
[2016-10-31 17:37:27] rapidtrades : sausage pressed buy instead of sell?
[2016-10-31 17:37:28] coinrun : damn son
[2016-10-31 17:37:35] coinrun : zec on polo
[2016-10-31 17:37:37] rapidtrades : it could be anyone
[2016-10-31 17:37:46] wurstgelee : nice
[2016-10-31 17:38:15] wurstgelee : i havent sold mining experiment #3 yet
[2016-10-31 17:38:29] wurstgelee : profitability a lot better now ;)
[2016-10-31 17:38:52] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: what kind of equipment is it
[2016-10-31 17:39:04] wurstgelee : hashes. i buy hashes,
[2016-10-31 17:39:06] wurstgelee : @ nicehash
[2016-10-31 17:39:14] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-31 17:39:26] wurstgelee : so u dont have to care for rigs, equiments, configs etc...
[2016-10-31 17:39:33] wurstgelee : *p
[2016-10-31 17:39:40] rapidtrades : so u can just buy some hash then sell it to a greater fool?
[2016-10-31 17:40:10] wurstgelee : no, u buy hash/s or in ZEC case Sol/s
[2016-10-31 17:40:23] wurstgelee : each and every share your rented hashes deliver to the pool gets paid
[2016-10-31 17:40:27] wurstgelee : in ZEC
[2016-10-31 17:40:36] rapidtrades : 18:38 - wurstgelee: i havent sold mining experiment #3 yet <<<
[2016-10-31 17:40:45] wurstgelee : so i pay hashrate with BTC @ nicehash and get delivered ZEC @ pool
[2016-10-31 17:41:01] wurstgelee : i meant: i havent sold the ZEC mined with it
[2016-10-31 17:41:05] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-31 17:41:40] TwinnerD : when did they start to payout @wurstgelee
[2016-10-31 17:41:44] MrRGnome : wurstgelee: you really should during this bump. inflation is insane right now on zec
[2016-10-31 17:42:07] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: I thought all cloud mining was a scam - have you really made profit with it?
[2016-10-31 17:42:19] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: just dumped
[2016-10-31 17:42:34] wurstgelee : TwinnerD: dunno, i didnt mine from the start, i heard that started "late" tho
[2016-10-31 17:42:49] wurstgelee : had some technical issues iirc
[2016-10-31 17:42:50] MrRGnome : CapitalGains: I cloud mined the last three days with free google credit, it was a good deal got 1500 sol/s out of it
[2016-10-31 17:42:55] MrRGnome : couple hundred free bucks
[2016-10-31 17:43:00] wurstgelee : *valid for suprnova that is
[2016-10-31 17:43:21] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: haha - i am planning to to the same with free azure credit
[2016-10-31 17:43:28] TwinnerD : wurstgelee: because I heard a few people say that the mining pools delayed payments on purpose to capture the high prices for themselves. Seems logical to me
[2016-10-31 17:43:31] wurstgelee : $200 on signup ofr free
[2016-10-31 17:43:54] wurstgelee : TwinnerD: maybe. noone will ever be able to prove tho
[2016-10-31 17:43:58] MrRGnome : wurstgelee: gcloud game me 300 usd. I wrote a quick bash bot to manage all the instance crating and bam, in th emoney.
[2016-10-31 17:44:05] MrRGnome : Though google got pissed and eventually shut down all my projects
[2016-10-31 17:44:10] MrRGnome : that happened this morning
[2016-10-31 17:44:13] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-10-31 17:44:37] wurstgelee : i started bulding an reference image this morning, will prob finish tomorrow
[2016-10-31 17:44:48] wurstgelee : the going to spin them up by the dozen
[2016-10-31 17:44:51] wurstgelee : *then
[2016-10-31 17:45:08] MrRGnome : I might check out azure if it's got a similar credit system
[2016-10-31 17:45:27] wurstgelee : $200 for free which DOESNT get converted to paid membership without action on your side
[2016-10-31 17:45:41] MrRGnome : Good deal in my book.
[2016-10-31 17:45:54] wurstgelee : we read the same book
[2016-10-31 17:50:14] rapidtrades : what's a 'reference image'
[2016-10-31 17:51:24] wurstgelee : one that u can easily multiply
[2016-10-31 17:51:29] wurstgelee : with the click of a button
[2016-10-31 17:51:39] wurstgelee : so u configure one machine and have as much as u want
[2016-10-31 17:51:43] wurstgelee : *machines
[2016-10-31 17:51:48] wurstgelee : also many
[2016-10-31 17:51:50] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-10-31 17:53:25] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-31 17:55:30] wurstgelee : .82 ....
[2016-10-31 17:55:38] wurstgelee : polo having fun with ZEC
[2016-10-31 17:56:56] CapitalGains : I look forward to joining the fun on polo when the price gets a bit lower. I last sold at 250 BTC, it would be nice if I could buy in again at 0.250.
[2016-10-31 17:59:28] rapidtrades : i think u should temper ur greed
[2016-10-31 17:59:30] CapitalGains : Did any of you put in bids that got hit for the first ZEC sell on Polo?
[2016-10-31 17:59:49] rapidtrades : yeah i bought at 2500
[2016-10-31 17:59:59] rapidtrades : only 0.1 tho
[2016-10-31 18:00:22] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: It was only 0.0001 ZEC that I sold at 250. Did you get to sell above 2500?
[2016-10-31 18:01:01] rapidtrades : im just messing around, didn't trade on polo
[2016-10-31 18:01:48] rapidtrades : CapitalGains: what are the current ZEC pool withdrawal fees
[2016-10-31 18:01:57] rapidtrades : ppl were saying it was 0.5 at the start
[2016-10-31 18:02:32] CapitalGains : I bought my ZEC, so don't know about the fees.
[2016-10-31 18:04:44] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: one pool
[2016-10-31 18:04:55] wurstgelee : suprnova has .0001 iirc
[2016-10-31 18:05:53] javierstone : can anyone rec any bitmex tutorials on margin trading?
[2016-10-31 18:06:55] Anon39 : bitmex has future trading
[2016-10-31 18:07:35] Anon39 : 1.4 zec mined per block atm
[2016-10-31 18:07:45] messiaen8844 : javier: think of the leverage slider as the ASS FUCK bottom
[2016-10-31 18:07:47] messiaen8844 : that should get you started
[2016-10-31 18:08:09] javierstone : k
[2016-10-31 18:08:41] Anon39 : we will have double the current zec in 1.5 days approx
[2016-10-31 18:09:48] rapidtrades : yeah im sure ur the only one who's privy to that information
[2016-10-31 18:10:29] Anon39 : yes i just talked with zec ceo
[2016-10-31 18:13:55] wurstgelee : polo 83
[2016-10-31 18:14:20] wurstgelee : i know because i dumped the rest of my mined -ZEC into that order ;)
[2016-10-31 18:14:26] coinrun : Oh man ZEC lol
[2016-10-31 18:16:13] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-31 18:16:15] wurstgelee : .88
[2016-10-31 18:16:18] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-10-31 18:16:29] coinrun : CNBC pump is real
[2016-10-31 18:16:31] rapidtrades : woooo run forest run
[2016-10-31 18:16:33] coinrun : lol
[2016-10-31 18:20:02] kryptopojken : cnbc wrote about ZEC?
[2016-10-31 18:20:07] MrRGnome : I love it. I love how CNBC probably has no idea how dishonest they are being when they talk about the price per 1 zcash during the first few days of launch like it means something. Might as well talk about the price of the entire economy as a unit when 1 zec represents an enormous fraction of the total supply.
[2016-10-31 18:20:11] coinrun : We are going to hit 1000ZEC volume today
[2016-10-31 18:20:50] wurstgelee : polo whales have no chill
[2016-10-31 18:21:09] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: yep. its actually great that they have no clue
[2016-10-31 18:21:15] wurstgelee : in this case
[2016-10-31 18:21:19] wurstgelee : usually its the opposite
[2016-10-31 18:22:06] aethlios : smart traders trade futures, dump trade plain vanilla spot, wait for options to launch on bitmex....
[2016-10-31 18:22:49] aethlios : selling calls on zcash!!! much $$$$$
[2016-10-31 18:25:06] coinrun : 785.93518556 ZEC Volume today so far. Long day ahead of us
[2016-10-31 18:26:41] sleger : thanks for the 8th decimal, very useful dummy
[2016-10-31 18:27:10] wurstgelee : wb
[2016-10-31 18:27:24] wurstgelee : nice opener as usual ;)
[2016-10-31 18:29:09] sleger : also he probably doesnt know it's a 24hr volume.
[2016-10-31 18:33:25] coinrun : sleger: You short?
[2016-10-31 18:33:32] rapidtrades : BUY BUY BUY
[2016-10-31 18:33:39] coinrun : sleger: RIP.
[2016-10-31 18:33:51] rapidtrades : yeah sleger RIP u pos shortie
[2016-10-31 18:34:00] coinrun : Be nice
[2016-10-31 18:34:28] rapidtrades : im j/k....we're friends...kinda
[2016-10-31 18:35:29] MrRGnome : rapidtrades: not better friends than us though right?
[2016-10-31 18:35:44] lilop : bye bye bye @rapidtrades
[2016-10-31 18:35:45] sleger : i have no ZEC, I withdrew them all already
[2016-10-31 18:36:14] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: how's the nicehash mission going? I had some going, then the site went down, before I could enter payment details!
[2016-10-31 18:36:36] rapidtrades : saved by the bell
[2016-10-31 18:37:22] wurstgelee : http://zuiderent.nl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/krokodil-vogel-1.jpg
[2016-10-31 18:37:26] wurstgelee : sleger and rapidtrades
[2016-10-31 18:37:34] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 18:38:08] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: profitable overall
[2016-10-31 18:38:23] EA_FTW : Ah man, looks like I've got 1.4 ZEC sitting there with no payout address :-(
[2016-10-31 18:38:24] wurstgelee : thanks to current polo pump ~25 overall
[2016-10-31 18:38:26] EA_FTW : https://zcash.nicehash.com/balances
[2016-10-31 18:38:36] wurstgelee : yep, u need to set the address ;)
[2016-10-31 18:38:41] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-10-31 18:38:52] EA_FTW : Can't until the site is back up though!
[2016-10-31 18:39:04] rapidtrades : that sucks
[2016-10-31 18:39:19] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: suprnova is up?
[2016-10-31 18:39:41] wurstgelee : pool?
[2016-10-31 18:39:49] EA_FTW : nicehash.com - looks like it's back now :-)
[2016-10-31 18:40:11] wurstgelee : yeah ok, but you set your payout address at the pool?
[2016-10-31 18:40:21] wurstgelee : or idk which payout address you are talking about
[2016-10-31 18:43:19] NL007 : some shorters could get liquidated if zec hits 1btc again
[2016-10-31 18:44:26] EA_FTW : Oh no, where do you set the payout address..
[2016-10-31 18:45:55] zecz : what happends if the other part of my position gets liquidated?
[2016-10-31 18:46:01] chromaticcr1 : move it above 0.36, slap'em hard
[2016-10-31 18:47:08] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: account settings
[2016-10-31 18:47:58] coinrun : 805.29518339 ZEC
[2016-10-31 18:48:00] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: which section?
[2016-10-31 18:48:08] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: suprnova?
[2016-10-31 18:48:47] wurstgelee : Edit Account->My Account
[2016-10-31 18:49:15] wurstgelee : scratch that
[2016-10-31 18:49:18] wurstgelee : just my account
[2016-10-31 18:50:08] EA_FTW : So there's an Accounts menu, with General, Wallet, Manage My Pools ... [I'm on nicehash.com, not been to suprnova, using the Nicehash Zcash pool (stratum)]
[2016-10-31 18:50:47] wurstgelee : oh, never used that
[2016-10-31 18:50:52] wurstgelee : sec