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[2016-10-31 00:00:56] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-31 00:01:04] wurstgelee : to long without now
[2016-10-31 00:01:13] wurstgelee : needs to liquidate some longs to go further
[2016-10-31 00:01:37] wurstgelee : *too
[2016-10-31 00:02:51] wurstgelee : every alt pumping besides literock
[2016-10-31 00:10:49] mjones : think btc is gonna go take a dive?
[2016-10-31 00:13:32] laisee : yes, about to start historic move of value/miners/users from BTC to ZEC imho
[2016-10-31 00:13:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 70 @ 0.003016
[2016-10-31 00:14:43] mjones : as soon as the zec mark price to polo is announced it will pump
[2016-10-31 00:15:07] mjones : has the requirements been met?
[2016-10-31 00:16:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 450 @ 0.01592
[2016-10-31 00:16:47] laisee : getting close on requirements, as of last night, for 24h turnover
[2016-10-31 00:17:34] sleger : that is PART of the requirements
[2016-10-31 00:17:42] laisee : not sure about the 'stable, decent, humble, nice, resonable deposit/withdrawal' behavior could be, tho
[2016-10-31 00:18:02] laisee : ^+ /s
[2016-10-31 00:33:57] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-10-31 00:35:17] wurstgelee : 0.0188
[2016-10-31 00:35:22] wurstgelee : mining away like a boss
[2016-10-31 00:35:25] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-10-31 00:38:31] wurstgelee : also come on buttcoin, i know u want to dump
[2016-10-31 00:39:06] numero : I'm not sure what to do with my btc, any suggestions?
[2016-10-31 00:40:22] iefken : zec to the moon!
[2016-10-31 00:40:29] wurstgelee : not short zec here at .3
[2016-10-31 00:42:17] laisee : buy the next, great sheßeCoin ...
[2016-10-31 00:42:38] wurstgelee : btc wants to jump off the cliff so badly... ;)
[2016-10-31 00:44:21] laisee : just needs a little push, like ZEC stabilizing @ ~1.00 BTC
[2016-10-31 00:44:22] RocketScience : Yesterday there was peak euphoria before the dive
[2016-10-31 00:45:08] laisee : waiting for monday bank deposits hit the exchanges and last buying plunge takes place?
[2016-10-31 00:50:15] wurstgelee : break even for miners seems to be somewhere around .5 to .7 for zec from how my experiment is going
[2016-10-31 00:50:39] wurstgelee : a lot higher for cloud mining ofc
[2016-10-31 00:50:45] wurstgelee : those guys are fucked
[2016-10-31 00:51:13] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: how did you perform your exp?
[2016-10-31 00:52:07] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: 15kSol @ nicehash width average price. seems like i end up at ~ 1 btc per zec
[2016-10-31 00:52:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 630 @ 695.97
[2016-10-31 00:52:23] wurstgelee : i assume its possible way more proftable than that
[2016-10-31 00:52:28] wurstgelee : so .5 to .7 ;)
[2016-10-31 00:52:49] wurstgelee : with cloud minig contract buyers being fucked anyways
[2016-10-31 00:52:51] arbitrage001 : so supply will dry up very fast at 0.8
[2016-10-31 00:52:53] billyboy402 : could some one please help me with a API of just the next funding cost ?
[2016-10-31 00:52:55] wurstgelee : they have several btc per zec
[2016-10-31 00:53:14] arbitrage001 : since there is no incentive to mine at low price
[2016-10-31 00:53:17] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: i dont see it dumping below .5 currently
[2016-10-31 00:53:20] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 00:53:31] wurstgelee : *subject to change any minute/hour
[2016-10-31 00:53:45] arbitrage001 : the development team
[2016-10-31 00:53:52] arbitrage001 : how did they profit
[2016-10-31 00:53:52] laisee : wurstgelee: every cloud mining thing advertised is a scam or over-prived. no change there ;-)
[2016-10-31 00:53:56] wurstgelee : those funds are locked a year iirc?
[2016-10-31 00:53:58] wurstgelee : no?
[2016-10-31 00:54:36] wurstgelee : and even if not....supply still fucking low the coming weeks
[2016-10-31 00:54:37] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-31 00:55:30] arbitrage001 : who do you think put up those low ask price here?
[2016-10-31 00:55:46] arbitrage001 : genius or idiot?
[2016-10-31 00:56:03] laisee : savant
[2016-10-31 00:56:58] wurstgelee : good question
[2016-10-31 00:58:50] billyboy402 : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/funding?symbol=XBTUSD&count=1&reverse=false Only show the last funding rate , how do i see the future funding rate ?
[2016-10-31 00:59:26] arbitrage001 : billyboy402: email the support team
[2016-10-31 00:59:59] billyboy402 : arbitrage001: yep , did that , i thought there might be another smart user here that know of it
[2016-10-31 01:00:26] j8 : billyboy402: its one of the fields returned by GET /instrument
[2016-10-31 01:00:38] arbitrage001 : i am cavemen trader
[2016-10-31 01:00:42] arbitrage001 : just hand to trade
[2016-10-31 01:01:47] billyboy402 : j8: getfunding?symbol=XBTUSD&count ?
[2016-10-31 01:02:01] j8 : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/instrument?symbol=XBTUSD&columns=indicativeFundingRate
[2016-10-31 01:02:48] j8 : if you leave out the part from &columns on, you get a bunch of other fields, that part just filters it
[2016-10-31 01:03:39] billyboy402 : j8: ythx mate , can you tip from the chat here ? i apperatie the help
[2016-10-31 01:04:02] j8 : don't worry about it
[2016-10-31 01:05:56] billyboy402 : question in google ,. how do you add just the data you want in the API . the only way i know how to do it is =SUBSTITUTE( ,"",) but is there a eaier way just to get the API to post the 0.006%
[2016-10-31 01:07:34] billyboy402 : Auther email me https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/instrument?symbol=XBTUSD&count=100&reverse=false but this look heaps messy for me , i guess this give you all the figurer to calurlate it your self
[2016-10-31 01:10:06] mjones : well i guess the money play is long zec and wait for it to be marked to polo announcement
[2016-10-31 01:12:41] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Just to confirm `fundingRate` is the funding rate that will be charged next, and then `indicativeFundingRate` is the prediction for the funding rate 8 hours after that
[2016-10-31 01:13:13] billyboy402 : oh , so that in 10 hours
[2016-10-31 01:13:27] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-10-31 01:14:07] billyboy402 : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/instrument?symbol=XBTUSD&columns=fundingRate
[2016-10-31 01:14:14] BitMEX_Wally : So for XBTUSD it says `Funding Rate-0.0259% in 3 hours` this is the `fundingRate` field and the time it will be charged is `fundingTimestamp`
[2016-10-31 01:14:14] billyboy402 : oh great that what i was looking for
[2016-10-31 01:14:37] billyboy402 : I never new about "&columns=fundingRate"
[2016-10-31 01:18:20] billyboy402 : for google sheet i have to create =SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(INDEX(IMPORTDATA("https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/instrument?symbol=XBTUSD&columns=fundingRate"),0,3,),"fundingRate:",),"}]",) .
[2016-10-31 01:18:40] billyboy402 : is there a easy way to to print just the price ?
[2016-10-31 01:19:36] mjones : bitmex needs to be an option in the bitcoinchecker app
[2016-10-31 01:19:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30 @ 693.70
[2016-10-31 01:21:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4000 @ 692.84
[2016-10-31 01:21:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 692.42
[2016-10-31 01:21:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1100 @ 691.03
[2016-10-31 01:21:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 41 @ 691.35
[2016-10-31 01:21:34] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-10-31 01:21:34] gustavo7 : long candle on okcoin too
[2016-10-31 01:22:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 15000 @ 690.37
[2016-10-31 01:22:34] imabeast : rekt lyfe
[2016-10-31 01:25:08] imabeast : fyi https://twitter.com/Cryptopathic/status/792885749465186304
[2016-10-31 01:25:35] wurstgelee : So about that cliff btc is going to jump off i mentioned half an hour earlier....
[2016-10-31 01:25:38] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 01:26:16] rapidtrades : ZEC finall ystable
[2016-10-31 01:26:30] rapidtrades : now we go up
[2016-10-31 01:26:31] wurstgelee : btc going down sure helps a lot atm
[2016-10-31 01:27:14] wurstgelee : and general #altsareprobablybackforawhile
[2016-10-31 01:27:22] kryptopojken : BitMEX_Wally: will get less likely to get ADL if I add margin to my XBTUSD position?
[2016-10-31 01:27:35] wurstgelee : kryptopojken: yes
[2016-10-31 01:27:50] wurstgelee : lowers your leverage
[2016-10-31 01:28:08] kryptopojken : ok trying now
[2016-10-31 01:28:14] wurstgelee : should lower adl risk iirc
[2016-10-31 01:28:18] kryptopojken : the green bar is the same
[2016-10-31 01:28:35] kryptopojken : ok now it went down a little
[2016-10-31 01:28:43] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 01:30:47] mbaril : are we gonna see 700 back :)
[2016-10-31 01:33:12] billyboy402 : j8: hey mate , you wouldnt know the BFX usd funding rate by any chance , i have try https://api.bitfinex.com/v1/lendbook/currency:usd
[2016-10-31 01:33:48] mjones : i dont know why you would pump zec still. why wouldnt you just wait for the supply to overwhelm the demand.
[2016-10-31 01:34:01] j8 : billyboy402: https://api.bitfinex.com/v1/lendbook/usd
[2016-10-31 01:34:38] billyboy402 : Oh so i didnt need to add Currency : USD
[2016-10-31 01:34:54] billyboy402 : silly me ok , this is all new to me
[2016-10-31 01:35:31] mjones : only thing longs are hoping for is a polo mark price to give an excuse to pump
[2016-10-31 01:35:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.280875
[2016-10-31 01:36:25] billyboy402 : can i also add that '&columns' and '&count=1'
[2016-10-31 01:36:47] j8 : as for your google sheets problem.. you either need a JSON plugin for google sheets, or you can add `&_format=csv` or `&_format=xml` to the api call to get it in that format
[2016-10-31 01:36:48] rapidtrades : GOD DAMIT
[2016-10-31 01:37:04] rapidtrades : HOW LONG WILL WE LET THESE STUPID SHORTS RUN ALL OVER US
[2016-10-31 01:37:24] rapidtrades : activate plan Fury
[2016-10-31 01:37:41] chromaticcr1 : what? market order to 10?
[2016-10-31 01:37:52] chromaticcr1 : Looking forward
[2016-10-31 01:37:54] rapidtrades : i dunno what ur talking about
[2016-10-31 01:39:13] iefken : rapidtrades: what does it matter, cheap zec now :3
[2016-10-31 01:39:18] wurstgelee : thanks for dumping. Moar plz
[2016-10-31 01:43:06] mjones : damn some zec noob on here. dumping the future
[2016-10-31 01:43:09] billyboy402 : j8: oh shit , i just download ther add on , i think i need you youbute how to add them now
[2016-10-31 01:45:21] Rado : mjones: noob or pro?
[2016-10-31 01:45:58] rapidtrades : noob
[2016-10-31 01:46:11] Rado : I think 0.30 is great place to short
[2016-10-31 01:46:22] Rado : you can make 0.20 in a day or two
[2016-10-31 01:46:36] rapidtrades : k
[2016-10-31 01:46:52] Rado : rapidtrades: do you ever sleep?
[2016-10-31 01:47:15] rapidtrades : i've been geting 5 hrs past few days
[2016-10-31 01:47:24] Rado : it must be over midnight where you are
[2016-10-31 01:47:24] rapidtrades : will sleep once this ZEC fiasco is over
[2016-10-31 01:47:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 8000 @ 719.91
[2016-10-31 01:47:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4200 @ 688.55
[2016-10-31 01:47:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 688.66
[2016-10-31 01:47:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 39010 @ 688.77 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-31 01:48:01] Rado : very strange
[2016-10-31 01:48:12] Rado : when BTC was going up alts dumped hard
[2016-10-31 01:48:22] Rado : now when BTC is retracing alts barely move
[2016-10-31 01:48:45] martinium : They are called shitcoins for a reason
[2016-10-31 01:48:49] iefken : zec is sucking up evert
[2016-10-31 01:48:58] iefken : everything*
[2016-10-31 01:48:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1600 @ 688.08
[2016-10-31 01:48:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 140 @ 687.83
[2016-10-31 01:49:19] rapidtrades : ZEC LOVEU4EVA
[2016-10-31 01:49:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20 @ 685.05
[2016-10-31 01:49:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2947 @ 683.96
[2016-10-31 01:50:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 757 @ 712.81
[2016-10-31 01:50:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 800 @ 682.87
[2016-10-31 01:50:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 25000 @ 683.38 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-31 01:50:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 11163 @ 710.17
[2016-10-31 01:50:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2380 @ 683.45
[2016-10-31 01:50:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8000 @ 683.05
[2016-10-31 01:50:26] Rado : ha
[2016-10-31 01:50:38] RocketScience : bounce you sonuvabicht
[2016-10-31 01:50:39] RocketScience : xD
[2016-10-31 01:50:42] Rado : got filled on XBT Dec 30
[2016-10-31 01:50:45] RocketScience : daaaamnnnn
[2016-10-31 01:50:46] Rado : on that liquidation
[2016-10-31 01:50:59] Tetsuo : https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork-1363144448
[2016-10-31 01:51:05] Tetsuo : it´s all over
[2016-10-31 01:51:09] Tetsuo : SELLSELLSELL
[2016-10-31 01:51:21] rapidtrades : idiot
[2016-10-31 01:51:35] Rado : lol
[2016-10-31 01:51:40] rapidtrades : BAN TETSUO
[2016-10-31 01:51:41] Rado : he is an idiot
[2016-10-31 01:52:01] rapidtrades : i can see why polo banned u now
[2016-10-31 01:52:10] Tetsuo : don´t kill the messenger
[2016-10-31 01:54:39] RocketScience : will it stay above 4700?
[2016-10-31 01:54:46] RocketScience : omg stresss, feeaarr
[2016-10-31 01:55:02] RocketScience : i am insta awake at 2.54 pm
[2016-10-31 01:55:47] RocketScience : if i was an inch greedier i'd get mega rekt :D
[2016-10-31 02:00:12] RocketScience : I am praying to China
[2016-10-31 02:00:21] RocketScience : Tao te ching
[2016-10-31 02:00:22] mjones : i got mega rekt on that dump
[2016-10-31 02:00:29] RocketScience : fck this dump
[2016-10-31 02:00:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 69000 @ 689.77 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-10-31 02:00:38] RocketScience : woodchipper's?
[2016-10-31 02:00:55] gustavo7 : BAM
[2016-10-31 02:00:57] jordanbitfort : rofl shorting the bottom
[2016-10-31 02:01:44] gustavo7 : well i longed 15min ago
[2016-10-31 02:02:03] gustavo7 : just broke even *sweats*
[2016-10-31 02:02:06] RocketScience : me too... 694
[2016-10-31 02:03:14] chromaticcr1 : ZEC bid @ 0.25, ** BUY THEM ALL **
[2016-10-31 02:03:20] mjones : lol zec
[2016-10-31 02:03:25] chromaticcr1 : SO CHEAP
[2016-10-31 02:03:34] mjones : buy and get rekt in minutes
[2016-10-31 02:04:04] chromaticcr1 : i guess we have less liquidity on the ask so perhaps the 0.25 order guy get rekt first
[2016-10-31 02:04:29] public username 321 : zcrash
[2016-10-31 02:05:05] chromaticcr1 : get something back before it is too late guy
[2016-10-31 02:05:19] mjones : well who wants to rekt them
[2016-10-31 02:08:50] rapidtrades : lol 0.22
[2016-10-31 02:08:59] rapidtrades : these ppl are retarded
[2016-10-31 02:09:36] billyboy402 : j8: do you have any form that i cant PM you , twitter of Telagram , you can PM my name <
[2016-10-31 02:10:33] RocketScience : Btc is saved
[2016-10-31 02:11:03] billyboy402 : j8: 'https://api.bitfinex.com/v1/lendbook/usd&_format=cvs' doesnt work for me
[2016-10-31 02:11:23] iefken : =csv?
[2016-10-31 02:11:58] rapidtrades : PBOC in 4 mins
[2016-10-31 02:12:09] iefken : pboc?
[2016-10-31 02:12:12] billyboy402 : or https://api.bitfinex.com/v1/lendbook/usd&_format=csv
[2016-10-31 02:12:32] chromaticcr1 : http://www.pbc.gov.cn/zhengcehuobisi/125207/125217/125925/3174271/index.html 6.7641
[2016-10-31 02:12:52] billyboy402 : ppl bank of china ?
[2016-10-31 02:13:06] chromaticcr1 : you are 1 hour late
[2016-10-31 02:13:59] RocketScience : what does it say?
[2016-10-31 02:14:20] rapidtrades : chromaticcr1: aaah right
[2016-10-31 02:14:29] rapidtrades : the f*cking winter time change
[2016-10-31 02:14:35] chromaticcr1 : lol
[2016-10-31 02:15:17] rapidtrades : wait...not seeing anything on forexlive
[2016-10-31 02:15:21] iefken : that was yesterday here
[2016-10-31 02:15:55] RocketScience : 6.76 fix
[2016-10-31 02:16:05] RocketScience : is this the reason for btc deluge?
[2016-10-31 02:17:33] gustavo7 : google says it was 6.75 before so less than 1% change
[2016-10-31 02:17:42] rapidtrades : http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-30/latest-polls-show-clinton-support-slipped-after-fbi-s-letter
[2016-10-31 02:17:49] rapidtrades : lol look at that shit
[2016-10-31 02:17:54] rapidtrades : race now a toss up
[2016-10-31 02:18:51] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.7641 (vs. Friday at 6.7858)
[2016-10-31 02:19:13] ytaews : it's 2016 and you're quoting a single national poll? lol
[2016-10-31 02:19:17] rapidtrades : it came out 1h earlier
[2016-10-31 02:19:19] RocketScience : lets fix yuan/btc to 6750
[2016-10-31 02:19:26] RocketScience : +2k
[2016-10-31 02:19:36] rapidtrades : CAP BITCOIN MEX
[2016-10-31 02:20:05] rapidtrades : cap it at 700 so i can load up on shorts and make $$$ of that sweet funding
[2016-10-31 02:20:11] RocketScience : I am so stressed...
[2016-10-31 02:20:29] Coach_Z : why @RocketScience ?
[2016-10-31 02:20:48] RocketScience : because i just survived this btc dump..i'm all in btc
[2016-10-31 02:20:58] RocketScience : it was close...
[2016-10-31 02:21:26] Coach_Z : wtf is up with this dump?
[2016-10-31 02:21:30] Coach_Z : it's higher on coin marketcap
[2016-10-31 02:21:53] RocketScience : on 1 day chart it could be expected
[2016-10-31 02:22:02] RocketScience : but i always stare at 1 min xD
[2016-10-31 02:23:04] RocketScience : Woodchipper destroying longs before moon?
[2016-10-31 02:24:51] miramm1115 : that was a nice dump
[2016-10-31 02:25:26] RocketScience : it was so great that someone bought a 300 btc eth wall on polo
[2016-10-31 02:25:56] RocketScience : break even.. i need a hug
[2016-10-31 02:25:59] RocketScience : :D
[2016-10-31 02:26:29] rapidtrades : is there no man to stop this ZEC bleeding?
[2016-10-31 02:27:03] iefken : patience
[2016-10-31 02:27:13] Coach_Z : rapidtrades: every day more ZEC coins are mined than the previous day, but demand doesn't increase when the price falls 80% each day.
[2016-10-31 02:27:43] rapidtrades : tnx for ur shitty opinion
[2016-10-31 02:27:52] RocketScience : put a good buywall and i shall drop this burden on you :D
[2016-10-31 02:28:26] Coach_Z : pump it up @rapidtrades , it's a an awesome coin, sue to fly to the zenith
[2016-10-31 02:28:33] jordanbitfort : lol zcash still worth 150 dollars here? should be 5 dollars like XMR
[2016-10-31 02:28:43] RocketScience : to the cap! 10 btc!
[2016-10-31 02:28:48] rapidtrades : goooo
[2016-10-31 02:28:52] rapidtrades : pump it
[2016-10-31 02:29:04] iefken : dont you know, pump it up
[2016-10-31 02:29:04] RocketScience : lol
[2016-10-31 02:29:07] Coach_Z : pump pump pump!
[2016-10-31 02:29:09] RocketScience : btc fomo on bitmex
[2016-10-31 02:29:14] RocketScience : puuuuump
[2016-10-31 02:29:40] RocketScience : i blessed that 697 wall
[2016-10-31 02:29:42] RocketScience : moar
[2016-10-31 02:29:45] Rado : nice
[2016-10-31 02:29:53] RocketScience : 21k to drop
[2016-10-31 02:30:00] RocketScience : i wanna sleep tight haha
[2016-10-31 02:30:09] jordanbitfort : Pump up the jam, pump it up While you feet are stompin' And the jam is pumpin'
[2016-10-31 02:30:15] Rado : I got filled at 711 on XBTZ16
[2016-10-31 02:30:22] Rado : already back to 727
[2016-10-31 02:30:45] Rado : rapidtrades: I covered ZEC, you can pump now
[2016-10-31 02:30:47] Rado : ;-)
[2016-10-31 02:31:09] rapidtrades : Rado: gee tnx
[2016-10-31 02:31:39] Rado : It's so simple to trade BTC
[2016-10-31 02:31:44] Rado : buy every dip
[2016-10-31 02:31:54] martinium : man Seg Wit going to send BTC to moon
[2016-10-31 02:32:13] martinium : or if BTCU forks either way its a win for BTC and more upside
[2016-10-31 02:32:18] jordanbitfort : i thought ViaBTC is blocking segwit?
[2016-10-31 02:32:41] martinium : they are on BTCU
[2016-10-31 02:32:54] RocketScience : Rado: I bought the "dip" before the blackhole
[2016-10-31 02:33:08] martinium : my preference is everyone run BTCU to go on with original vision for btc
[2016-10-31 02:33:20] martinium : but we will see if miners indeed support t or not
[2016-10-31 02:33:30] RocketScience : segwit is the test
[2016-10-31 02:33:35] iefken : hard forks are selden good
[2016-10-31 02:33:37] jordanbitfort : martinium: ok but how is it a win for BTC to split into 2 chains? Could cause a big dump like eth/etc
[2016-10-31 02:33:57] martinium : jordanbitfort: miners would go on to main winning chain
[2016-10-31 02:34:05] RocketScience : btc fork will double our coins like Ruja doubles your onecoins hehe
[2016-10-31 02:34:14] martinium : more trnsactions being handled will be the end result
[2016-10-31 02:34:23] martinium : so a big plus for BTC price
[2016-10-31 02:34:37] martinium : nah it wont double coins
[2016-10-31 02:34:54] martinium : losing fork will just become invalid for anything mined
[2016-10-31 02:34:59] martinium : since it wont be the main chain
[2016-10-31 02:35:20] rapidtrades : i'd like to get double coins
[2016-10-31 02:35:49] martinium : don't think it'll happen but if it does could be cool
[2016-10-31 02:36:03] martinium : extra money before losing chain becomes worthless
[2016-10-31 02:36:03] RocketScience : but some people can keep it alive like etc
[2016-10-31 02:36:13] martinium : not enough to be meaningful
[2016-10-31 02:36:20] rapidtrades : we're gonna need a couple of retarded devs for that to happen
[2016-10-31 02:36:23] RocketScience : explain to laymen why there are 2 bitcoins now... xD
[2016-10-31 02:36:31] jordanbitfort : go to the woodchipper and ask them to add bitcoin classic ;^)
[2016-10-31 02:36:32] rapidtrades : maybe we can borrow VitaLik and his gang
[2016-10-31 02:36:47] RocketScience : i blame woodchipper for the dump
[2016-10-31 02:39:31] rapidtrades : did u see that .65 print
[2016-10-31 02:39:40] martinium : dump happened on most exchanges I checked
[2016-10-31 02:39:44] martinium : bots are syced
[2016-10-31 02:39:47] martinium : synced*
[2016-10-31 02:40:15] RocketScience : basically i went through mental hell and came back with 0.1 btc profit
[2016-10-31 02:40:39] RocketScience : i don't have 1 nerve left so i had to sell it all on break even ^^
[2016-10-31 02:40:43] rapidtrades : look at how volatile this shit is
[2016-10-31 02:40:54] RocketScience : you mean zec?
[2016-10-31 02:40:56] rapidtrades : .66>.71>66>71
[2016-10-31 02:41:07] RocketScience : ah btc in china
[2016-10-31 02:41:18] rapidtrades : no i mean zec
[2016-10-31 02:41:20] chromaticcr1 : look at what shit you bought ;)
[2016-10-31 02:41:38] rapidtrades : chromaticcr1: i bought fine i just got backstabbed by bitmex
[2016-10-31 02:41:53] RocketScience : china is just having a battle between 4771 and 4766 :D
[2016-10-31 02:42:11] rapidtrades : dude no one cares about BTC
[2016-10-31 02:42:24] RocketScience : i love btc and it wants to kill me :(
[2016-10-31 02:42:25] rapidtrades : oh no it fell 3%
[2016-10-31 02:42:29] rapidtrades : whi gives a shit
[2016-10-31 02:42:31] chromaticcr1 : yeah and spot is lower than 3 now so perhaps you got stabbed by polo finex and every exchange that lists zec
[2016-10-31 02:42:49] rapidtrades : chromaticcr1: my god ur f*cked in the head aren't u
[2016-10-31 02:43:19] RocketScience : i trade with 25...70x leverage..it's so intense
[2016-10-31 02:43:29] RocketScience : gotta temper my greed
[2016-10-31 02:43:30] chromaticcr1 : and miners who are pushing supplies to the market too, yeah... forgot that one
[2016-10-31 02:43:43] rapidtrades : i don't give a shit
[2016-10-31 02:43:47] rapidtrades : and ur dumb
[2016-10-31 02:44:29] RocketScience : how much do you leverage?
[2016-10-31 02:44:31] chromaticcr1 : dumb enough to take position agaist you
[2016-10-31 02:44:48] jordanbitfort : masterful trolling rapidtrades. or should i say, skankhunt42
[2016-10-31 02:44:49] rapidtrades : yeah keep doing that and see how u end up
[2016-10-31 02:44:57] rapidtrades : chromaticcr1: bailout boy
[2016-10-31 02:47:30] Rado : RocketScience: it's not about leverage
[2016-10-31 02:48:05] Rado : I am always at 100x, but my position size is small compared to my total account holdings. Also I have a stop order for every position.
[2016-10-31 02:48:29] Rado : So for me leverage doesn't really matter
[2016-10-31 02:49:58] Rado : for example the liquidation price on my XBTZ16 trade is 221.70
[2016-10-31 02:50:04] Rado : but I have a stop at 713
[2016-10-31 02:50:25] Rado : so I will never be liquidated
[2016-10-31 02:50:43] martinium : Rado: your effective leverage use is less that the full 100x thats what that means
[2016-10-31 02:50:54] martinium : most new traders mess up and go balls to the wall every trade
[2016-10-31 02:51:09] martinium : their balance * 100
[2016-10-31 02:51:16] Rado : martinium: that's a sure way to blow your account
[2016-10-31 02:51:16] martinium : then get liquidated
[2016-10-31 02:51:22] martinium : yep
[2016-10-31 02:51:29] rapidtrades : except on ZEC
[2016-10-31 02:51:32] martinium : lol
[2016-10-31 02:51:38] rapidtrades : there they get a bailout and a cap
[2016-10-31 02:53:49] rapidtrades : a wise old man once said 'Live long enough and you'll get screwed in one thousand ways'
[2016-10-31 03:04:55] RocketScience : let him who has wisdom count the number of rapid trades
[2016-10-31 03:05:07] RocketScience : needed to become rich
[2016-10-31 03:05:36] RocketScience : -John's revelation xD
[2016-10-31 03:11:19] RocketScience : martinium: That would be me. hehe
[2016-10-31 03:12:21] RocketScience : i learned my lesson tonight
[2016-10-31 03:12:58] rapidtrades : RocketScience: how much did u lose?
[2016-10-31 03:13:28] RocketScience : I had liq price at 676...and entry 984
[2016-10-31 03:13:38] RocketScience : 694*
[2016-10-31 03:14:04] RocketScience : i actually sold at 697 then :P
[2016-10-31 03:15:11] RocketScience : a little profit not worth the stress...it's 4.10am and i am still full of adrenaline, don't care about sleep
[2016-10-31 03:16:42] RocketScience : Good night grumpytrades :)
[2016-10-31 03:16:59] rapidtrades : good night :)
[2016-10-31 03:27:26] javierstone : so if i wanna go long and leverage and place a trade but want to put in a safety net of a stop do i do that in another trade or using a stop limit?
[2016-10-31 03:30:35] Rado : javierstone: I would use Stop Market
[2016-10-31 03:30:39] Rado : not Stop Limit
[2016-10-31 03:33:15] javierstone : gotcha
[2016-10-31 03:33:43] sabbybibi : oh good i'm glad you're there rado if you know about these things..... how do *any* of the stops (market, limit, trailing) guarantee anything? i mean, you're placing an opposite (unwinding) order into the book - but if no-one's interested, it'll just cascade v. unfavorably to you, esp. "market"!
[2016-10-31 03:33:59] sabbybibi : (or not execute at all!)
[2016-10-31 03:34:24] sabbybibi : ...or am i misunderstanding something??
[2016-10-31 03:36:30] sabbybibi : like, if i go long @700, and i try to "stop" at 690, well, that means i'm trying to *sell* at 690 (to unwind my buy)... but if no -one's interested, i *don't* sell at 690... and if i sell as "market", i could end up selling down to 680, 670...
[2016-10-31 03:36:42] sabbybibi : basically i don't get how it can "stop" reliably at all!
[2016-10-31 03:36:52] sabbybibi : sorry if these are stupid questions hehehehe
[2016-10-31 03:36:58] joequant : It helps to do this if you are in Asia time. I'm expecting another drop in about half an hour.
[2016-10-31 03:38:04] sabbybibi : (my example numbers are not meant as comments on the market right now, just "easy arithmetic" example numbers)
[2016-10-31 03:42:37] miramm1115 : sabbybibi: stop limit guarantees the price but might not execute at all, it will just place an order on the orderbook. stop market guarantees execution but doesn't guarantee the price
[2016-10-31 03:43:49] miramm1115 : for smaller position stop market is ok, you will have some slippage but the orderbook on XBTUSD has enough orders to catch your stop market
[2016-10-31 03:43:50] sabbybibi : so... they don't guarantee non-liquidation? (rado @02.50[utc] msg above speaks of "so I will never be liquidated")
[2016-10-31 03:44:38] sabbybibi : (but that non-liq "guarantee" may not be true in a thin order book surely?)
[2016-10-31 03:44:40] miramm1115 : if you use stop market you will not get liqiudated
[2016-10-31 03:44:48] CrazyEarner : Well so much for the zcash craze looks like the highs finished and the lows only jsut begining lol
[2016-10-31 03:45:00] miramm1115 : you might get worse price if the orderbook is really thin
[2016-10-31 03:45:42] sabbybibi : miramm1115: ...but in a thin order book, the "worse" price might be *so* "worse" as to go past your liq price surely!
[2016-10-31 03:46:03] sabbybibi : (sorry if i'm not getting it lol - noob here :D)
[2016-10-31 03:46:28] DangerandPlay : so what the FUCK happened to zcash???
[2016-10-31 03:47:15] CrazyEarner : Simple people just 10000% dumped on it and killed the price no doubt pump dump with bots
[2016-10-31 03:48:18] DangerandPlay : :( lost a lot of money
[2016-10-31 03:48:57] miramm1115 : yes, execution price on stop market can be worse than liq price theoretically but you will not lose maintenance margin @sabbybibi
[2016-10-31 03:49:00] CrazyEarner : I would of gone short on site at begining but bought gpu instead lol
[2016-10-31 03:49:37] sabbybibi : miramm1115: i'm trading zec just now - maybe as a noob i shouldn't but you gotta learn by doing
[2016-10-31 03:50:05] public username 321 : best is to not get liquidated at all ...
[2016-10-31 03:50:09] sabbybibi : order book is v. thin, so far i've just usec "limit" but you're recommending "stop market"?
[2016-10-31 03:54:45] sabbybibi : the way i see things in ZEC-land is this: 0.24 is absurdly high *as a Dec.30th opinion*
[2016-10-31 03:55:50] sabbybibi : DEc.30th will be full-strength mining reward, and 0.24 would mean ZEC miners would be throwing (almost) the same amount of real resource consumption at ZEC as bitcoin miners are throwing at bitcoin!
[2016-10-31 03:56:03] sabbybibi : not credible, i think!
[2016-10-31 03:56:42] sabbybibi : so... since we're trading NOW on our opinions of DEC30th, we should regard 0.24 for THEN to be ridiculously high
[2016-10-31 03:57:03] iefken : cant we have some profit on the way?
[2016-10-31 03:57:29] sabbybibi : so, i'm shorting... but the order book is so thin, and the price moves are so huge, that liquidation is a huge possibility on the journey between now and Dec.30th!
[2016-10-31 03:58:07] iefken : true :p
[2016-10-31 04:51:58] Mm bot : How to short ZEC ? Garenteed profit in December
[2016-10-31 05:08:48] miramm1115 : sabbybibi: stop orders on zec won't save you
[2016-10-31 05:10:20] coinrun : When is bitmex going to price mark Polo?
[2016-10-31 05:10:34] sabbybibi : miramm1115: yeah, that's what i thought
[2016-10-31 05:18:18] Chronuslll : whats the avaerage margin you use?
[2016-10-31 05:22:38] sabbybibi : Chronuslll: (on zec which is v. risky) about 1.0x (shorting)
[2016-10-31 05:25:01] sabbybibi : ...actually, i thunk the main thing making ZEC so illiquid on bitmex is the units of 1 zec each, which used to be small but is now huge
[2016-10-31 05:25:19] sabbybibi : if we could change to milliZEC we'd have a much more lively market!
[2016-10-31 05:25:54] Chronuslll : hmm what about xbt
[2016-10-31 05:26:05] sabbybibi : (or just change from integers to real numbers)
[2016-10-31 05:26:54] sabbybibi : well, the btc/usd market is listed in usd even though it's all really made of btc
[2016-10-31 05:27:06] sabbybibi : so the integer arithmetic doesn't really cause problems
[2016-10-31 05:27:33] sabbybibi : but the btc<->zec market, wow, integers are hopelessly coarse grained whether listed in btc or zec!
[2016-10-31 05:27:53] sabbybibi : roll on milliZEC please bitmex!!!
[2016-10-31 05:28:08] DangerandPlay : i had really high hopes for mining zcash and bought some rigs... getting about 200 sols/hour now and mining a pitiful amount. Just give in????
[2016-10-31 05:28:18] DangerandPlay : 200 sols/sec
[2016-10-31 05:29:30] sabbybibi : DangerandPlay: 200 sols/sec is about a ten-thousandth of the entire network, so you should earn about 0.05zec/day
[2016-10-31 05:29:56] sabbybibi : that's tens of dollars a day, if you're earning less than that something is misconfigured!
[2016-10-31 05:30:03] sabbybibi : (hardware and/or software)
[2016-10-31 05:30:14] DangerandPlay : we're making that but still seems pathetic.............
[2016-10-31 05:30:27] DangerandPlay : pathetic considering the outlay and electricity costs
[2016-10-31 05:30:56] arbitrage001 : sabbybibi: what is the production cost for zcash using efficient method?
[2016-10-31 05:31:22] sabbybibi : DangerandPlay: what's your wattage??
[2016-10-31 05:31:23] arbitrage001 : Return of investment on mining so to speak
[2016-10-31 05:32:06] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: 1 "sol" costs about 5-10 joules (a few millionths of a "unit"[kWh] of retail electricity bill jargon terms)
[2016-10-31 05:32:31] arbitrage001 : sabbybibi: in dollar term?
[2016-10-31 05:32:56] sabbybibi : so at the moment, everybody should be making several hundred percent profit - not yet competed away by difficulty rises!
[2016-10-31 05:33:01] arbitrage001 : what is the break even point on zcash price, i mean
[2016-10-31 05:33:15] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-10-31 05:33:23] arbitrage001 : miner profiting a lot now?
[2016-10-31 05:33:31] sabbybibi : (in dollar terms depends on your electricity company but a few times 10-to-the-minus-7 dollars per "sol" would be typical)
[2016-10-31 05:34:21] sabbybibi : (i'm ignoring capital costs ads many people already have the graphics cards, either for game-playing or ethereum mining...)
[2016-10-31 05:34:22] arbitrage001 : someone was mentioning zcash has to stay above 0.5 for miner to be profit
[2016-10-31 05:34:35] arbitrage001 : is this the same fig you have?
[2016-10-31 05:35:10] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: i think they must be including capital costs of cards, but of course you DON'T include that when deciding "do i switch my rig ON or OFF?"
[2016-10-31 05:35:54] arbitrage001 : sabbybibi: well, miners have been losing money since bitcoin asic came out
[2016-10-31 05:36:10] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: i'm not mining at all, just interested in the economics so i've recently been doing a lot of detailed calculations (to try and predict difficulty vs.price, that sort of thing)
[2016-10-31 05:37:00] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: yeah in the long run many people will lose... but right now, too few people have joined in to "compete away" the profits!
[2016-10-31 05:37:10] sabbybibi : (on zec i mean - not on btc lol)
[2016-10-31 05:37:28] arbitrage001 : the price you see here on zcash
[2016-10-31 05:37:40] arbitrage001 : is it too high or too low from miner view?
[2016-10-31 05:37:46] sabbybibi : no no the price *here* is a dec.30th prediction
[2016-10-31 05:38:03] arbitrage001 : would you continue mining at this price?
[2016-10-31 05:38:10] sabbybibi : the *current* price (on say polo) is still very good for miners' profitability!
[2016-10-31 05:38:35] arbitrage001 : assuming capital cost is zero?
[2016-10-31 05:38:52] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: but speaking of the dec.30th predicted price - the current prediction of 0.288 is UTTERLY BIZARRE
[2016-10-31 05:39:06] arbitrage001 : sabbybibi: in which way?
[2016-10-31 05:39:10] arbitrage001 : too high still?
[2016-10-31 05:39:47] sabbybibi : if it was REALLY TRUE that zec = 0.288 btc in late december........ then the real resource (electricity etc) usage of ZEC would EQUAL THE WHOLE OF BITCOIN'S!!!
[2016-10-31 05:40:09] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-10-31 05:40:09] sabbybibi : i can't honestly see that happening by late december, or maybe ever!
[2016-10-31 05:40:29] sabbybibi : a tenth the current prediction would be more reasonable in my opinion
[2016-10-31 05:40:51] sabbybibi : so, i'm shorting - but the order book is so thin, i may be liquidated in a temporary reversal!
[2016-10-31 05:41:04] sabbybibi : (or by being wrong even at dec.30th of course lol)
[2016-10-31 05:41:34] arbitrage001 : so people buying at this price is stupid?
[2016-10-31 05:42:04] jose : not if you think you can resell it before it goes to oblivion
[2016-10-31 05:42:11] sabbybibi : well, i never like to call any of my fellow traders stupid - let's just say we have a difference of opinion :D
[2016-10-31 05:43:29] sabbybibi : jose: yeah i could keep reselling but it drains my precious btc to keep doing that on every upswing
[2016-10-31 05:43:57] sabbybibi : i think the swings would be less if we had millizec as trading integer unit rather than zec! zec is just too huge and chunky now!
[2016-10-31 05:44:20] sabbybibi : millizec would give a more liquid, lively market! how abnout it bitmex?!
[2016-10-31 05:44:38] arbitrage001 : sabbybibi: you can sell on polo as you get the coin
[2016-10-31 05:44:45] arbitrage001 : much higher price anyway
[2016-10-31 05:45:42] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: i'm not handling physical zec at all, i haven't even downloaded the linux software yet - i'm just trading the future here on mex
[2016-10-31 05:46:34] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-10-31 05:46:39] sabbybibi : i do intend to handle some physical zec, practice its mixing tech, get to know its usage - but not yet!
[2016-10-31 05:46:44] arbitrage001 : thought you are currently mining
[2016-10-31 05:47:07] arbitrage001 : was a miner myself
[2016-10-31 05:47:19] arbitrage001 : a great waste of time in my opinion
[2016-10-31 05:47:27] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: no, i'm a "cold-liking", "heat-hating" person, and i wouldn't want a lot of mining gear where i live!
[2016-10-31 05:47:29] arbitrage001 : too much hassle and reward is too little
[2016-10-31 05:47:51] jose : ZEC is not mixing, there is nothing to mix, because you dont see anything. It is just a blackbox
[2016-10-31 05:47:59] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: what did you mine? btc with asic? eth with gpu?
[2016-10-31 05:48:12] arbitrage001 : btc and litecoin
[2016-10-31 05:48:20] arbitrage001 : before all the alt coin booms
[2016-10-31 05:48:35] arbitrage001 : so went thru a few boom bust cycle here
[2016-10-31 05:48:52] sabbybibi : jose: yeah what i mean is do some btc->zec->btc, e.g. thru shapeshift, and study both blockchains too judge quality of anonymity against timing analysis etc etc...
[2016-10-31 05:49:35] sabbybibi : jose: that's what i intend to do, but so far i'm not handling real zec at all - just bitmex futures!
[2016-10-31 05:49:37] shiroe : zec, easiest money so far
[2016-10-31 05:50:02] Anon39 : yeah
[2016-10-31 05:50:06] arbitrage001 : shiroe: are you short? close the position yet?
[2016-10-31 05:50:15] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: oh wow you were an early miner! i hope you kept a lot of your coins.....
[2016-10-31 05:50:28] arbitrage001 : profit is only real if you close your position
[2016-10-31 05:50:39] arbitrage001 : paper profit is pretty meaningless
[2016-10-31 05:51:20] Anon39 : i think 0.3 is a good short entry point
[2016-10-31 05:51:24] shiroe : arbitrage001: someone sold on my buy order from 4. 0.4 to 7, then 4 to 0.23
[2016-10-31 05:51:49] shiroe : lucky for those who shorted at 10. woo
[2016-10-31 05:52:16] arbitrage001 : sabbybibi: most early miners lose money
[2016-10-31 05:52:32] sabbybibi : arbitrage001: oh well :(
[2016-10-31 05:52:46] arbitrage001 : sabbybibi: only horders who buy from market benefit
[2016-10-31 05:53:54] sabbybibi : actually in zec's case even holders may not benefit, cos if the main usage is btc->zec->btc mixing, then the amount (held by people partway thru doing that) will be roughly constant in say dollar terms, but the number of zec remorselessly increases
[2016-10-31 05:54:49] sabbybibi : (people doing mixing don't mind a falling trend - to them it's just another mixing fee - but hodlers of course don't want a falling trend!)
[2016-10-31 05:55:26] Anon39 : obv zec holder are losing money, supply il 1k coin and is going to be 200k coin in 2 month
[2016-10-31 05:55:32] Anon39 : is*
[2016-10-31 05:56:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 600 @ 695.58
[2016-10-31 05:57:52] Anon39 : btw i cant understand who went long @10 btc on zec
[2016-10-31 05:58:02] Anon39 : when 10 btc is the bitmex cap
[2016-10-31 05:59:23] arbitrage001 : Anon39: could be panic shorter
[2016-10-31 05:59:37] arbitrage001 : who want to close position at all cost
[2016-10-31 06:03:01] chromaticcr1 : Anon39: rapid coming back to the chatroom in 3... 2... 1...
[2016-10-31 06:03:17] arbitrage001 : chromaticcr1: he doesnt need sleep?
[2016-10-31 06:03:30] arbitrage001 : over leverage syndrome? lol
[2016-10-31 06:03:44] chromaticcr1 : I guess he will be awake whenever things about the cap is mentioned
[2016-10-31 06:03:56] arbitrage001 : cap cap
[2016-10-31 06:03:57] arbitrage001 : cap
[2016-10-31 06:04:06] arbitrage001 : is he long or short
[2016-10-31 06:04:12] lockhedge : sabbybibi: fully agree, but high transaction costs (fees, spread, volatility) as a direct result of low supply/liquidity will make zcash a very expensive btc->zec->btc mixing service. so even that use case will be limited.
[2016-10-31 06:04:15] chromaticcr1 : long @3BTC
[2016-10-31 06:04:22] chromaticcr1 : and he is still holding it...
[2016-10-31 06:04:23] arbitrage001 : chromaticcr1: lol
[2016-10-31 06:04:34] arbitrage001 : i dont think he will make it back
[2016-10-31 06:04:39] chromaticcr1 : have a look at the archive ;)
[2016-10-31 06:05:15] chromaticcr1 : not even spot could go back up >1
[2016-10-31 06:05:29] arbitrage001 : he went all in ?
[2016-10-31 06:05:31] arbitrage001 : show hand?
[2016-10-31 06:05:40] chromaticcr1 : prob not.. not sure
[2016-10-31 06:06:08] sabbybibi : lockhedge: well... what i'm getting at is: the *technical* quality of the mixing is far higher than with xmr, coinjoin, etc etc - it ought to be essentially perfect so long as you don't try and do it absurdly quickly - so, some people may be willing to pay higher costs for higher quality