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[2016-10-30 16:28:58] sleger : it happens when people withdraw their zcash
[2016-10-30 16:29:19] Apocalyptic : sledger: cute trolling
[2016-10-30 16:29:43] mendax090 : Aprox. what will be the number of Zcash out there in Dec 30?
[2016-10-30 16:30:16] Apocalyptic : it must mean that Bitmex is regularly issuing/buying back contracts
[2016-10-30 16:30:26] sleger : lol
[2016-10-30 16:30:31] numero : mendax090: 300 000
[2016-10-30 16:30:38] Apocalyptic : or am I missing something ?
[2016-10-30 16:30:44] sleger : maybe im cute trolling but you're seriously saying stupid shit @Apocalyptic
[2016-10-30 16:31:22] mendax090 : numero: thanks
[2016-10-30 16:31:25] Apocalyptic : sledger, so maybe you can answer if it's that stupid
[2016-10-30 16:31:39] Apocalyptic : I'm not very familiar with futures
[2016-10-30 16:32:11] rapidtrades : sledger :)
[2016-10-30 16:33:10] lockhedge : Apocalyptic: you are not trading against bitmex, open longs always equal open shorts.
[2016-10-30 16:35:11] kradiav : ZEC ready to break 1.0 at polo... :D
[2016-10-30 16:35:29] hazir : rapidtrades yes i have a liquidation price but i don't know how it's calculated.
[2016-10-30 16:36:03] rapidtrades : on that bar to the left u can see how much leverage ur using
[2016-10-30 16:36:09] rapidtrades : the text on the bar
[2016-10-30 16:36:16] hazir : i'm using 0. thank you so much :) .
[2016-10-30 16:36:19] hazir : : )
[2016-10-30 16:36:32] Smartass : so how much is comission ist it always 0,5% of value
[2016-10-30 16:36:51] rapidtrades : if ur using 0 then u wouldn't have a liquidation price....it's prolly close to 0?
[2016-10-30 16:37:22] rapidtrades : close to 1 i mean
[2016-10-30 16:37:34] hazir : it's at "cross" isn't that 0?
[2016-10-30 16:37:48] hazir : i mean 1X
[2016-10-30 16:37:56] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-30 16:38:03] rapidtrades : but whhat does it say on the bar itself
[2016-10-30 16:38:09] hazir : 0.39X
[2016-10-30 16:38:20] rapidtrades : ok cool
[2016-10-30 16:38:36] hazir : what dose that mean?
[2016-10-30 16:38:38] rapidtrades : so u shouldn't be liquidated
[2016-10-30 16:38:44] rapidtrades : means that's ur leverage used
[2016-10-30 16:38:55] mendax090 : How come I have an Unrealised PNL of 26%(green) but a red/negative Realised PNL?
[2016-10-30 16:39:14] rapidtrades : because they're not the same thing
[2016-10-30 16:39:24] rapidtrades : u need to close position to go to realised
[2016-10-30 16:39:42] mendax090 : I'm guessing Realised PNL includes the fees?.. But even then, 26%-.5%, would still be positive?.. And it shows as negative?
[2016-10-30 16:39:47] lockhedge : hazir: does your liquidation price say "1000000", then you shouldn't get liquidated, that's just the max price
[2016-10-30 16:40:12] rapidtrades : mendax090: i think it shows realised for the whole life of the contract
[2016-10-30 16:40:25] rapidtrades : so all ur trades on that instrument
[2016-10-30 16:41:10] mendax090 : So it will always be on red until I close it?
[2016-10-30 16:41:11] hazir : but wouldn't a shorter get liquidated anyway if the price goes too high, even with no leverage ?
[2016-10-30 16:41:28] Smartass : hazir: yes
[2016-10-30 16:41:41] rapidtrades : not on xbtusd?
[2016-10-30 16:41:58] hazir : smartass thank you
[2016-10-30 16:42:01] Smartass : hazir: if you have leverage 1 you will be liquidated at 1,75xPrice
[2016-10-30 16:42:15] Smartass : hazir: oh i was talking the zecz16 contract
[2016-10-30 16:42:16] lockhedge : hazir: normally yes, but XBTUSD is an inverse contract. you are actually long USDXBT. read above...
[2016-10-30 16:42:16] rapidtrades : but not on xbtusd
[2016-10-30 16:42:26] Smartass : no idea what you are talking about
[2016-10-30 16:42:51] hazir : smartass also the zzz
[2016-10-30 16:42:52] rapidtrades : on xbtusd ur collateral is BTC....so its impossible to get liquidated with lev <1
[2016-10-30 16:43:18] Smartass : hazir: have not traded that so lockhedge and rapidtrades should know
[2016-10-30 16:43:32] rapidtrades : because ur PnL is in USD and ur collateral is in BTC
[2016-10-30 16:44:09] Apocalyptic : lockhedge: right, so actually no one is issuing these contracts, but one seller and one buyer together create one
[2016-10-30 16:45:16] hazir : basically i'm trying to short the zcash for as long as possible.
[2016-10-30 16:46:13] rapidtrades : well then u can get liquidated altho ur liq price is prolly high
[2016-10-30 16:46:36] rapidtrades : losses for shorts are theoretically unlimited
[2016-10-30 16:47:05] hazir : yup. though i can't really see zcash going over 1.29 btc here.
[2016-10-30 16:47:13] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-10-30 16:47:33] bitbit : why so low leverage for zcash?
[2016-10-30 16:47:40] rapidtrades : u will get liquidated once zcash hits ur liquidation price
[2016-10-30 16:47:54] Smartass : hey one question where can i find the trading fees for the cotnracts - cant fin it
[2016-10-30 16:48:02] hazir : but my price is 1.29 btc
[2016-10-30 16:48:10] hazir : hope not will hit
[2016-10-30 16:48:41] hazir : i want low leverage so i won't get short-r***d like i just did...
[2016-10-30 16:48:49] zcasher7777 : 1zec 721dollar from 30000dollar thats a big return to reality slap
[2016-10-30 16:48:51] zcasher7777 : hhhhhhhhhhh
[2016-10-30 16:48:53] rapidtrades : ur better off if u exit before the liq is hit, because margin maintence is really high on zcash
[2016-10-30 16:49:15] bitbit : any other place where I can short zcash?
[2016-10-30 16:49:33] bitbit : I need at least x10 leverage
[2016-10-30 16:50:06] hazir : what is margin maintenance?
[2016-10-30 16:50:06] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-10-30 16:50:26] zcasher7777 : bitbit: you have an idea of shorting why?
[2016-10-30 16:50:37] rapidtrades : hazir: it's a penalty u pay in excess for getting liquidated
[2016-10-30 16:50:48] bitbit : zcasher7777: ahaha ;)
[2016-10-30 16:51:01] rapidtrades : it goes into a liquidation fund
[2016-10-30 16:51:09] rapidtrades : allegedly
[2016-10-30 16:51:45] hazir : rapidtrades heh. jeez. maybe i should just take my loss and run away . so many blind spots for noobs
[2016-10-30 16:52:30] rapidtrades : yeah if i wasn't already in a position i wouldn't touch zec
[2016-10-30 16:53:15] hazir : though it's so clear where the price is going. i guess the Job is not to get liquidated
[2016-10-30 16:54:20] hazir : just sit around and put more bitcoins in account to keep the position. dose that make sense?
[2016-10-30 16:54:55] numero : hazir: please don't feed the trolls
[2016-10-30 16:55:50] hazir : is rapidtrades a troll?
[2016-10-30 16:55:53] rapidtrades : im long so can't advise :)
[2016-10-30 16:56:01] hazir : jesus
[2016-10-30 16:56:12] rapidtrades : do what u think is best
[2016-10-30 16:58:18] hazir : thank you
[2016-10-30 17:01:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 706.45 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-30 17:03:33] bitbit : how do you add to your position ?
[2016-10-30 17:03:43] bitbit : what techniques you use?
[2016-10-30 17:08:01] numero : sometimes I buy and sometimes I sell
[2016-10-30 17:08:38] sleger : numero: not funny
[2016-10-30 17:12:21] Smartass : rapidtrades: dont you want to close zec is going to hell horribly (as one can see)...
[2016-10-30 17:12:26] javierstone : what happens when you sell at market?
[2016-10-30 17:12:28] javierstone : on an open position
[2016-10-30 17:15:08] mjones : lol xmr. literally 30 seconds after i close my long it moves
[2016-10-30 17:17:42] numero : sleger: sorry, this whole world is new to me
[2016-10-30 17:31:40] aethlios : THIS IS CRYPTO!!!! (like sparta)
[2016-10-30 17:45:39] mjones : zec 1
[2016-10-30 17:45:47] thomaskikansha : few bids under 1
[2016-10-30 17:46:20] rapidtrades : gee thanks for the tick by tick updates guys
[2016-10-30 17:46:32] rapidtrades : like i give a shit...it's already down to 0.35 here
[2016-10-30 17:48:08] rapidtrades : like sleger's ETH my ZEC is an 'longterm investment'
[2016-10-30 17:48:37] Formiga : ZEC is going down faster than I ghough
[2016-10-30 17:49:05] rapidtrades : it's going down faster than I ghough too
[2016-10-30 17:49:11] thomaskikansha : 0.94
[2016-10-30 17:50:08] Formiga : Of course it is
[2016-10-30 17:50:17] Formiga : Only dumb people would pay 900 USD for a coin that just released
[2016-10-30 17:51:04] Formiga : No way ZEC will be above 100 usd
[2016-10-30 17:52:50] bitbit : can anyone explain me arbitrage ?
[2016-10-30 17:52:56] NL007 : zec wil around 0.25btc in 72hrs
[2016-10-30 17:53:27] Formiga : bitbit: google.com
[2016-10-30 17:53:32] bitbit : if I have 0.1 btc I have to buy 0.05 xbt perpetual and sell 0.05 futures right?
[2016-10-30 17:53:41] rapidtrades : all these newbs are crypto experts now
[2016-10-30 17:53:42] bitbit : Formiga: yes it's just a doubt that I have..
[2016-10-30 17:53:54] Formiga : XBT is BTC here in bitmex
[2016-10-30 17:53:58] rapidtrades : if we jump to 3 you'll be saying it's going to 15
[2016-10-30 17:54:04] Formiga : they call is XBT
[2016-10-30 17:54:08] Formiga : it*
[2016-10-30 17:54:23] Formiga : rapidtrades: this won't jump to 3
[2016-10-30 17:54:44] rapidtrades : sleger: where do i send a compensation request? u have exp with this
[2016-10-30 17:54:50] rapidtrades : is it support@
[2016-10-30 17:55:01] NL007 : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-10-30 17:55:10] rapidtrades : U JUST GOT HERE
[2016-10-30 17:55:15] kradiav : rate of ZECs created will be increasing for the next ~30 days... meaning its value will increasingly drop until it tries to stabilize around the perceived value point of the first bagholders
[2016-10-30 17:56:17] NL007 : Number of zec will increase nonstop
[2016-10-30 17:56:34] NL007 : untill we reach 21 million
[2016-10-30 17:56:39] kradiav : NL007: I said rate of creation, not just supply
[2016-10-30 17:56:56] NL007 : sorry true
[2016-10-30 17:57:00] chromaticcr1 : Formiga: rapid is thinking that the min cap would be 3 in some future time. He could get his money out since this is BailMex or CapMex or whatever he call it here.
[2016-10-30 17:57:58] NL007 : kradiav: i only think zec will be seen as just another alt
[2016-10-30 17:58:21] kradiav : NL007: yeap, not much value
[2016-10-30 17:58:50] bitbit : anyone knows how arbitrage works ??
[2016-10-30 17:59:18] NL007 : Many buyers lost a lot of btc on that pump thinking it will go higher
[2016-10-30 17:59:32] NL007 : they wont touch it again
[2016-10-30 17:59:53] NL007 : its tainted now
[2016-10-30 18:04:26] thomaskikansha : .92
[2016-10-30 18:06:33] NL007 : we are going to 0.8btc in a couple hrs
[2016-10-30 18:06:46] mjones : no one is gonna pump ZEC till it's really low
[2016-10-30 18:07:14] wurstgelee : i am long again. zime to end the break
[2016-10-30 18:07:20] wurstgelee : *time
[2016-10-30 18:07:21] thomaskikansha : no support on bids
[2016-10-30 18:07:47] wurstgelee : doesnt matter. at least to me
[2016-10-30 18:08:02] thomaskikansha : 20BTC till 0.8 50BTC till 0.5
[2016-10-30 18:08:13] kradiav : disaster
[2016-10-30 18:08:26] wurstgelee : if we go down, i will buy more :p
[2016-10-30 18:08:30] mjones : 0.86 ZEC
[2016-10-30 18:08:55] NL007 : maybe at 0.1btc i will buy
[2016-10-30 18:09:02] imabeast : who got liquidated on that zec pump last night?
[2016-10-30 18:09:03] imabeast : lol
[2016-10-30 18:09:09] wurstgelee : 1 seems reasonable atm
[2016-10-30 18:09:13] NL007 : not these levels
[2016-10-30 18:09:13] wurstgelee : to me ;)
[2016-10-30 18:09:47] aethlios : zcash dead????
[2016-10-30 18:10:06] aethlios : bitmex bears were right.
[2016-10-30 18:10:12] NL007 : 0.88btc now
[2016-10-30 18:10:23] mjones : so people are expecting ZEC to pump on bitmex?
[2016-10-30 18:10:24] thomaskikansha : it just keep diving
[2016-10-30 18:10:47] aethlios : 0.05 on dec. 30 at most
[2016-10-30 18:11:12] NL007 : problem is a few zec crashes prices
[2016-10-30 18:11:15] kradiav : mjones: only before it launched it was expected imo... from then on it was losing mementum and downhill
[2016-10-30 18:11:32] chromaticcr1 : **Zcrash**
[2016-10-30 18:12:02] thomaskikansha : with increasing supply it can go nowhere but down
[2016-10-30 18:12:16] wurstgelee : go on then
[2016-10-30 18:12:19] wurstgelee : short
[2016-10-30 18:12:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 18:12:28] mjones : i think eventually there will be a too big of a wall and it'll bounce. but i dont know if it will pump here
[2016-10-30 18:12:37] NL007 : last big support around 0.8btc
[2016-10-30 18:12:44] kradiav : at $15 for sure
[2016-10-30 18:13:12] Formiga : Zcash below 100 usd soon for sure
[2016-10-30 18:13:18] mjones : 867 ZEC right now
[2016-10-30 18:13:19] Formiga : stop think btc wise and focus on USD price
[2016-10-30 18:13:32] mjones : could go much lower
[2016-10-30 18:13:35] chromaticcr1 : But it kinda live up to its name, zero. Destination f#%ked.
[2016-10-30 18:13:46] NL007 : chromaticcr1: true
[2016-10-30 18:13:51] NL007 : zcrash
[2016-10-30 18:13:52] Formiga : mjones: not "could"... it will
[2016-10-30 18:14:35] wurstgelee : anyone who wants to sell me some @ .31 ?
[2016-10-30 18:15:41] wurstgelee : thought so ;)
[2016-10-30 18:15:49] HjP : how about .325?
[2016-10-30 18:15:56] wurstgelee : nope.
[2016-10-30 18:15:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 18:18:14] darbsllim : Zcash by 0.1 in ~2 days
[2016-10-30 18:18:56] NL007 : darbsllim: i think around 0.25btc
[2016-10-30 18:19:41] kradiav : wurstgelee: happy? :P
[2016-10-30 18:20:29] mjones : zec dump
[2016-10-30 18:20:52] thomaskikansha : ladies and gentlemen fasten your seatbelt
[2016-10-30 18:21:15] y1uy : $ZEC definately going down
[2016-10-30 18:21:20] y1uy : its a shitcoin
[2016-10-30 18:21:31] kradiav : they really fucked it up hard
[2016-10-30 18:22:12] y1uy : $ZEC head and shoulder
[2016-10-30 18:22:50] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-30 18:23:09] mjones : zec gonna pump hard. send your money to polo to double it
[2016-10-30 18:23:37] wurstgelee : put your money where your mouth is and sell then
[2016-10-30 18:23:42] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 18:23:53] jlafuente : mjones: zec will pump hard ... in 2-3 years xD
[2016-10-30 18:24:02] kradiav : wurstgelee: happier?
[2016-10-30 18:24:26] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-10-30 18:24:29] chromaticcr1 : y1uy: going down to knees and toes
[2016-10-30 18:24:32] wurstgelee : none of my orders go filled
[2016-10-30 18:25:05] chromaticcr1 : Too many hidden order around I guess
[2016-10-30 18:25:10] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-30 18:25:14] wurstgelee : Guess why.....
[2016-10-30 18:25:14] y1uy : going to short ZEC after i cashout my btc long
[2016-10-30 18:25:18] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-30 18:25:53] wurstgelee : thats for making people sell - obviously - and ot to pump it here
[2016-10-30 18:26:00] wurstgelee : ......
[2016-10-30 18:26:10] wurstgelee : *not
[2016-10-30 18:29:26] mjones : is polo down
[2016-10-30 18:31:38] y1uy : anyone knows a bitmex alternative?
[2016-10-30 18:31:49] y1uy : with high leverage?
[2016-10-30 18:31:59] y1uy : i dont like the liquidity on this
[2016-10-30 18:32:55] mjones : if there was one wouldn't we all be there
[2016-10-30 18:33:17] mjones : only other place i trade is okcoin.com 20x btc and ltc
[2016-10-30 18:40:14] kradiav : let the ZEC liquidations begin
[2016-10-30 18:40:39] rfcdejong : y1uy: kraken allows 5x on btc
[2016-10-30 18:42:31] y1uy : bye bye zcrash
[2016-10-30 18:42:45] y1uy : rfcdejong: thank you bro
[2016-10-30 18:44:26] imabeast : y1uy: u should close long now
[2016-10-30 18:44:32] imabeast : y1uy: just fyi
[2016-10-30 18:48:12] y1uy : imabeast: Already closed a while ago, thanks though
[2016-10-30 18:52:08] TA : imabeast: btc long?
[2016-10-30 19:02:44] javierstone : what happenes when you closet at mark price but the order book price is lower?
[2016-10-30 19:02:49] javierstone : closet=close
[2016-10-30 19:15:21] y1uy : wtf
[2016-10-30 19:15:26] y1uy : i closed my order on a profit
[2016-10-30 19:15:29] y1uy : but it came out as aloss
[2016-10-30 19:15:32] y1uy : :|
[2016-10-30 19:15:39] habibi : y1uy: magic! :D
[2016-10-30 19:15:58] y1uy : but why?
[2016-10-30 19:16:32] y1uy : is this site retardedly bugged?
[2016-10-30 19:16:38] habibi : y1uy: i guess u were in small profit coz of mark price which is not market close price
[2016-10-30 19:17:13] y1uy : it was market close price
[2016-10-30 19:18:43] Shaman : would be nice to close out a loss and see it turn into a profit instead
[2016-10-30 19:19:21] y1uy : why dont u try shaman?
[2016-10-30 19:19:48] Shaman : perhaps
[2016-10-30 19:20:22] y1uy : close price is the last price right?
[2016-10-30 19:21:15] Shaman : last price is just the last thing traded
[2016-10-30 19:21:27] Shaman : so close price should depend on what is in the orderbook
[2016-10-30 19:22:32] y1uy : oh ok
[2016-10-30 19:23:31] Rado : Tempted to short these 15 contracts over 0.3
[2016-10-30 19:23:34] Shaman : you could just place the opposite order at a set limit
[2016-10-30 19:24:36] wurstgelee : .9 at polo
[2016-10-30 19:24:45] wurstgelee : Rado: do it :)
[2016-10-30 19:40:53] zcasher7777 : do it
[2016-10-30 19:41:09] Boontjie : Rado: Dont, if CapMex marks to polo tomorrow, its liquidations time
[2016-10-30 19:46:22] kryptopojken : they need to announce that 24h before though
[2016-10-30 19:47:43] Boontjie : kryptopojken: you dont think people will buy it up?
[2016-10-30 19:48:12] Boontjie : if you are sleeping and the announcement comes through, boom wake up to 0 account balance
[2016-10-30 19:48:41] numero : i couldnt sleep last night for that very reason
[2016-10-30 19:49:06] kryptopojken : they will
[2016-10-30 19:49:09] kryptopojken : i think so
[2016-10-30 19:49:52] Boontjie : kryptopojken: if they allow you 24h to exit your position at entry sure, but currently longing can only mean profit
[2016-10-30 19:50:18] kryptopojken : not if polo takes it below 0.3
[2016-10-30 19:50:21] Boontjie : at worst you may take a 50% loss on waking up
[2016-10-30 19:50:29] Boontjie : sure, but 2 sides to risk
[2016-10-30 19:50:40] Boontjie : the shorting side is 100% loss, the long side not so much
[2016-10-30 19:51:02] Boontjie : assuming 1x leverage
[2016-10-30 19:52:02] Boontjie : I want to long btc, but I am scared
[2016-10-30 19:52:06] Boontjie : Is this normal?
[2016-10-30 19:53:31] mjones : btc gonna dump a lot
[2016-10-30 19:56:54] Boontjie : mjones: based on?
[2016-10-30 20:02:13] iefken : what happens when capmex marks polo?
[2016-10-30 20:04:15] Boontjie : iefken: the bots buy to index
[2016-10-30 20:04:30] mjones : pump
[2016-10-30 20:05:20] iefken : yea but polo is like downing so fast it'll probably be 0.5 tomorrow or so, whden will they mark it?
[2016-10-30 20:08:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 14 @ 701.69
[2016-10-30 20:13:28] zanza : RIP Bitcoin
[2016-10-30 20:13:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 699.25
[2016-10-30 20:16:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 10 @ 0.01587
[2016-10-30 20:16:53] Rado : They will mark it when Polo price is the same as here
[2016-10-30 20:16:59] Rado : mark my words :)
[2016-10-30 20:21:57] numero : I will miss this crazy spread a lot
[2016-10-30 20:25:44] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 697.06
[2016-10-30 20:25:44] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 230 @ 697.30
[2016-10-30 20:26:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 18000 @ 731.41
[2016-10-30 20:31:10] RoftheN : Is pump over or
[2016-10-30 20:31:29] sleger : no, eth going higher
[2016-10-30 20:32:32] RoftheN : ooh cuz of the ZKP
[2016-10-30 20:33:40] zefiris : How will marking ZEC to poloniex change anything? Surely the bots are already active?
[2016-10-30 20:33:59] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-10-30 20:33:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4500 @ 696.04
[2016-10-30 20:33:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1500 @ 696.21
[2016-10-30 20:33:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 28794 @ 696.16 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-30 20:34:49] gustavo7 : lol wat
[2016-10-30 20:37:00] kryptopojken : nice way to celebrate peoples misery
[2016-10-30 20:40:20] mjones : zec dump
[2016-10-30 20:40:28] numero : anyone know long BitMEX has been running?
[2016-10-30 20:41:04] gustavo7 : mjones since 8 hours anyway hehe
[2016-10-30 20:41:25] sleger : numero: if you had typed that on google you would already know
[2016-10-30 20:41:35] martinium : numero: since Nov 2014
[2016-10-30 20:43:10] numero : martinium: okay, thanks
[2016-10-30 20:45:40] NL007 : some people will wake up liquidated
[2016-10-30 20:45:54] NL007 : they will not be happy
[2016-10-30 20:46:14] NL007 : REKT: Liquidated long on XBTUSD: Sell 28794 @ 696.16 MEGA-REKT ?
[2016-10-30 20:46:27] RoftheN : aww
[2016-10-30 20:46:30] NL007 : like this one
[2016-10-30 20:46:56] kryptopojken : it's not much at 100x though
[2016-10-30 20:47:02] kryptopojken : 287$
[2016-10-30 20:48:12] zefiris : So you're saying that because the ZEC futures price is currently lower than the spot price, when it gets marked to poloniex, the futures price will rise to match the poloniex price?
[2016-10-30 20:49:41] rapidtrades : doesn't matter now
[2016-10-30 20:50:01] rapidtrades : they killed 99% of longs here its game over
[2016-10-30 20:50:31] NL007 : they killed by the 10x cap
[2016-10-30 20:52:13] shapeshifter : wurstgelee: long again?
[2016-10-30 20:52:54] rapidtrades : they made money with this blunder so they'll do it again in a different market
[2016-10-30 20:53:27] rapidtrades : ppl don't learn until it bites them in the ass
[2016-10-30 20:54:16] NL007 : rapidtrades: true
[2016-10-30 20:55:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.271275
[2016-10-30 20:58:26] NL007 : zec longers watch out
[2016-10-30 20:58:34] fml : if you are long ZEC
[2016-10-30 20:58:36] fml : you deserves to get rekt
[2016-10-30 20:58:57] fml : and dont know the dynamics of the coin itself if you are in a long on ZEC you should read on the block reward structure
[2016-10-30 20:59:17] NL007 : if was yesterday short got rekt due a sudden spike
[2016-10-30 21:00:08] NL007 : but back in profit today
[2016-10-30 21:00:19] rektbyZEC : fml: what u think is value for zecz16?
[2016-10-30 21:00:38] fml : probably sub .01
[2016-10-30 21:00:38] rektbyZEC : btw... anyone know what high woulda been if limit up/down stayed?
[2016-10-30 21:00:59] fml : Right now block rewards are fractions of a coin which is why value is high and slowly bleeding when block 2k hits the rewards will go to 12.5
[2016-10-30 21:01:20] fml : inflation will hit so hard on block 20k, and the price will plummet on block 20100 when those rewards are confirmed
[2016-10-30 21:01:31] iefken : is there a link where you can see the blockchain live?
[2016-10-30 21:01:37] fml : zcha.in
[2016-10-30 21:01:49] fml : https://explorer.zcha.in/
[2016-10-30 21:02:27] iefken : thanks! hadnt found one yet
[2016-10-30 21:02:28] RoftheN : Too bad no hashrate graph
[2016-10-30 21:02:48] RoftheN : I love the enormous reduction in ETH hashrate caused by ZEC
[2016-10-30 21:04:44] rapidtrades : the one true coin shall rise again
[2016-10-30 21:05:08] RoftheN : And 'the difference is even bigger than ETC was
[2016-10-30 21:06:18] rektbyZEC : eth hashrate 7.5 -> 5.5 TH/s?
[2016-10-30 21:06:28] rektbyZEC : it is not a big drop
[2016-10-30 21:06:36] iefken : how can you get an account at that site @fml?
[2016-10-30 21:06:56] fml : at zchain? You dont get an account Its a block explorer ?
[2016-10-30 21:06:56] rektbyZEC : ?
[2016-10-30 21:07:00] RoftheN : It's pretty big im
[2016-10-30 21:07:16] RoftheN : Sure it didn't halve, but it's a huge drop
[2016-10-30 21:10:04] iefken : sorry youre right, and won't the reward be 80% of 12.5? with 20% for the devs?
[2016-10-30 21:11:50] RoftheN : is this poloniex or the DEV team: https://explorer.zcha.in/accounts/t3Vz22vK5z2LcKEdg16Yv4FFneEL1zg9ojd ?
[2016-10-30 21:12:04] iefken : i would think the dev team
[2016-10-30 21:12:40] iefken : since its 20% of the total mining reward
[2016-10-30 21:12:46] fml : iefken: yes, idk if 20% is of 12.5 of that is the 80% but i know it will be alot of inflation
[2016-10-30 21:12:52] RoftheN : https://explorer.zcha.in/accounts/t1SaATQbzURpG1qU3vz9Wfn3pwXoTqFtTq2
[2016-10-30 21:12:55] sleger : ^geniuses at work
[2016-10-30 21:12:58] RoftheN : one of those is dev, other is polo?
[2016-10-30 21:13:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.261675
[2016-10-30 21:13:43] RoftheN : T1Sa must be the dev team, as it has mined all blocks
[2016-10-30 21:15:27] rapidtrades : its a pool dummy
[2016-10-30 21:17:06] RoftheN : Oh then it's Suprnova maybe
[2016-10-30 21:17:34] zcasher7777 : 0.25 wawwwww xd
[2016-10-30 21:17:46] zcasher7777 : like i said at 0.10 buy
[2016-10-30 21:23:08] rapidtrades : can we ban all the zec-newbs from talking?
[2016-10-30 21:23:51] rapidtrades : 1 week old account minimum to chat?
[2016-10-30 21:25:28] sleger : and ban all the green from talking
[2016-10-30 21:25:30] sleger : oops
[2016-10-30 21:25:54] Cheese : What makes a green?
[2016-10-30 21:26:04] Cheese : Why am I purple
[2016-10-30 21:26:13] sleger : ouch sorry for you
[2016-10-30 21:26:14] werral : i want a mute function for the chat :P
[2016-10-30 21:26:20] sleger : tiny winnie is purple
[2016-10-30 21:26:33] rapidtrades : green=pro
[2016-10-30 21:26:44] NL007 : lol
[2016-10-30 21:27:28] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-10-30 21:27:49] rapidtrades : the specter goes from red to green, from poor to rich
[2016-10-30 21:28:16] rapidtrades : red symbolizes communism and the green is naturally money
[2016-10-30 21:28:59] sleger : rapidtrades: do you even own a couch, bro ?
[2016-10-30 21:29:07] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-10-30 21:29:24] numero : me neither :(
[2016-10-30 21:29:51] sleger : numero: you live in a basement ?
[2016-10-30 21:30:02] Apocalyptic : lol you guys have an interesting concept of realized PnL: in the wallet page I have 2016-10-31 05:00:00 - RealisedPNL
[2016-10-30 21:30:19] numero : sleger: I live in this new agey student condo dev
[2016-10-30 21:30:39] sleger : another underage kiddo
[2016-10-30 21:31:10] rapidtrades : he said student
[2016-10-30 21:31:12] numero : lol, depends on jurisdiction
[2016-10-30 21:31:55] sleger : see, 18-21
[2016-10-30 21:32:26] rapidtrades : see what? that's nowhere underage
[2016-10-30 21:33:26] sleger : 747 users, keeps coming down
[2016-10-30 21:33:33] wurstgelee : 30 should be minmum age required for trollbox
[2016-10-30 21:33:36] Rado : 0.30 no longer seem low for shorting
[2016-10-30 21:33:38] wurstgelee : maybe 35
[2016-10-30 21:33:44] rapidtrades : maybe 0
[2016-10-30 21:33:53] wurstgelee : maybe not
[2016-10-30 21:34:02] rapidtrades : this shit doesn't settle on index or on delivery
[2016-10-30 21:34:07] rapidtrades : it's total fiction
[2016-10-30 21:34:24] rapidtrades : 0 or million....who has the most money can push it around
[2016-10-30 21:35:30] Rado : rapidtrades: not really
[2016-10-30 21:35:41] Rado : it's still proportional to index price
[2016-10-30 21:35:48] rapidtrades : yes really...well 0 and 10
[2016-10-30 21:36:12] rapidtrades : sleger can bid up prices to 10, kill all the shorts then sell to 0.5
[2016-10-30 21:36:14] Rado : so can you push it to 10 if polo price is at 1?
[2016-10-30 21:36:22] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-30 21:36:23] wurstgelee : !!!!
[2016-10-30 21:36:27] Rado : I don't think so
[2016-10-30 21:36:29] rapidtrades : doesn't matter, everythng is on last now
[2016-10-30 21:36:39] wurstgelee : Rado: it is
[2016-10-30 21:36:45] sleger : i'd need to deposit more here
[2016-10-30 21:36:46] numero : sleger: how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
[2016-10-30 21:36:46] Rado : I will be shorting at 5 big time
[2016-10-30 21:36:50] wurstgelee : thats the meaning of "lastPrice" marking
[2016-10-30 21:36:55] rapidtrades : sleger: :)
[2016-10-30 21:36:55] Rado : not only sleger has a lot of coins
[2016-10-30 21:36:55] sleger : numero: 30s
[2016-10-30 21:37:11] wurstgelee : deep pockets can easily push high to mc and cause ADL
[2016-10-30 21:37:14] wurstgelee : safe money
[2016-10-30 21:37:16] Rado : there are other people that will jump on the opportunity to make easy money
[2016-10-30 21:37:22] zcasher7777 : democracy please
[2016-10-30 21:37:27] Rado : market is not so easy to push
[2016-10-30 21:37:31] wurstgelee : ofc it is
[2016-10-30 21:37:39] wurstgelee : just a question of btc
[2016-10-30 21:37:46] rapidtrades : 24h volume is 300 btc...that's very small
[2016-10-30 21:38:05] rapidtrades : there's only 127 btc to 10
[2016-10-30 21:38:22] rapidtrades : so u need 60-70 btc
[2016-10-30 21:38:26] rapidtrades : to margin call all
[2016-10-30 21:38:28] Rado : rapidtrades: my current liquidation price is 15
[2016-10-30 21:38:28] wurstgelee : so u need less than 70 on 2x ....plus an unknown amount for hidden orders ;)
[2016-10-30 21:38:28] Rado : lol
[2016-10-30 21:38:31] Rado : so I am safe
[2016-10-30 21:38:32] wurstgelee : totally doable tho
[2016-10-30 21:38:37] wurstgelee : Rado: you are
[2016-10-30 21:38:45] rapidtrades : absolutely, smone should do it for the LULs
[2016-10-30 21:39:12] rapidtrades : hey we prolly have enugh together to do it
[2016-10-30 21:39:12] wurstgelee : it happened ......
[2016-10-30 21:39:17] wurstgelee : last time this night
[2016-10-30 21:39:22] wurstgelee : exactly that move
[2016-10-30 21:39:32] wurstgelee : also happened earlier
[2016-10-30 21:39:52] Rado : only 77 XBT open interest
[2016-10-30 21:40:01] rapidtrades : wanna push it to 10 and margin call bitmex and their MMs?
[2016-10-30 21:40:12] rapidtrades : we just need 60-70 btc
[2016-10-30 21:40:14] numero : this is the craziest casino I haven't needed a fake ID to enter
[2016-10-30 21:40:24] wurstgelee : you forget the hidden orders,,,
[2016-10-30 21:40:32] rapidtrades : ah maybe
[2016-10-30 21:40:34] Rado : rapidtrades: I can, but will you pay me back
[2016-10-30 21:40:51] wurstgelee : if there werent any hidden orders, this would be a 100% safe bet
[2016-10-30 21:40:58] wurstgelee : with deep enough pockets
[2016-10-30 21:41:13] Rado : wurstgelee: safe?
[2016-10-30 21:41:17] rapidtrades : would i need to pay u back? wouldn't ADL kick in and exit us all in profit?
[2016-10-30 21:41:19] Rado : not really
[2016-10-30 21:41:38] rapidtrades : plus their fund should be full from margining all the longs
[2016-10-30 21:41:47] wurstgelee : Rado: if u have enough btc to buy up to 2? (assumed no hidden orders)
[2016-10-30 21:41:51] wurstgelee : where would be the risk?
[2016-10-30 21:42:01] wurstgelee : up to 10 also
[2016-10-30 21:42:07] Rado : the risk is that you can't sell them after
[2016-10-30 21:42:15] wurstgelee : ADL does that for you
[2016-10-30 21:42:15] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 21:42:16] rapidtrades : u'll get ADLed
[2016-10-30 21:42:24] wurstgelee : 100% safe.... :p
[2016-10-30 21:42:31] rapidtrades : shorts get margined we get ADLed
[2016-10-30 21:42:32] Rado : only for the amount of shorts that get liquidated
[2016-10-30 21:42:41] Rado : that will not be for all your coins
[2016-10-30 21:42:46] NL007 : wurstgelee: how can you put hidden orders
[2016-10-30 21:42:49] wurstgelee : basically as a shorter, you rely on the mercy of whales playing gams atm
[2016-10-30 21:42:57] wurstgelee : *games
[2016-10-30 21:43:01] sleger : rapidtrades: its not 127btc/2 required
[2016-10-30 21:43:04] wurstgelee : unless your liquidation price is above 10
[2016-10-30 21:43:06] rapidtrades : open interest is 311 so if 150 are shorts, that's more then enough
[2016-10-30 21:43:14] wurstgelee : sleger: exactly
[2016-10-30 21:43:17] sleger : those 9 zec at 10 alone are 90btc/2
[2016-10-30 21:43:17] rapidtrades : u only need to buy 122
[2016-10-30 21:43:27] sleger : rapidtrades: 122zec
[2016-10-30 21:43:28] wurstgelee : sleger: you wouldnt have to buy up to 10 ;)
[2016-10-30 21:43:34] wurstgelee : 5+ should be enough
[2016-10-30 21:43:36] wurstgelee : easily
[2016-10-30 21:43:36] rapidtrades : sleger: right 122 zec
[2016-10-30 21:43:45] rapidtrades : sleger is right we need more
[2016-10-30 21:43:53] sleger : and some of those zec are at 8 or 9
[2016-10-30 21:43:56] rapidtrades : cos cost will go up above
[2016-10-30 21:44:10] sleger : but yes its not that many above 1 actually
[2016-10-30 21:44:13] rapidtrades : BUT 89 zec are until 1
[2016-10-30 21:44:20] rapidtrades : yes there's only 30 or so
[2016-10-30 21:44:26] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-30 21:44:30] rapidtrades : only 30 zec above 1, totally doable
[2016-10-30 21:44:49] sleger : and all the zec that you buy below 0.75, you can withdraw them and sell them at polo :p
[2016-10-30 21:44:56] wurstgelee : hahaha
[2016-10-30 21:45:26] sleger : and that's WHY futures prices stick to discounted spot : because there is delivery
[2016-10-30 21:45:50] rapidtrades : yep, u either gotten index it or do delivery
[2016-10-30 21:46:02] rapidtrades : otherwise it's just fiction...we're not trading ZEC here
[2016-10-30 21:46:05] numero : omg, you guys really do have extraordinary powers over all of cryptoland
[2016-10-30 21:46:17] rapidtrades : dude we're about to margin call ur ass
[2016-10-30 21:46:37] rapidtrades : cmon let's do it...it will be fun just to see all the news bitching
[2016-10-30 21:46:39] numero : easy come, easy go
[2016-10-30 21:46:47] rapidtrades : newbs
[2016-10-30 21:47:09] rapidtrades : it will also teach bitmex a lesson
[2016-10-30 21:48:42] sleger : Open Interest 311
[2016-10-30 21:49:07] rapidtrades : or do we wait for their 24h announcement and wreck shorts then?
[2016-10-30 21:49:08] sleger : how much was it when we went below 2 or 3 ?
[2016-10-30 21:49:12] Rado : rapidtrades: I will contribute 2 BTC
[2016-10-30 21:49:21] Rado : lets do it with you and sleger
[2016-10-30 21:50:18] sleger : only people shorting below 2 or so will likely get liquidated
[2016-10-30 21:50:28] rapidtrades : how come?
[2016-10-30 21:50:48] sleger : because the ones who sold at 8 probably have liq price > 10
[2016-10-30 21:51:03] rapidtrades : ah true but there's a wide gap 8>3
[2016-10-30 21:51:19] numero : STOP
[2016-10-30 21:51:20] sleger : yes but i dont know how the open interest changed from 10 to now
[2016-10-30 21:51:22] Rado : sleger: I shorted bellow 1 and my liq price is still over 10
[2016-10-30 21:51:27] Rado : because I did a small amount
[2016-10-30 21:51:37] numero : BitMEX_???? please do something
[2016-10-30 21:51:44] rapidtrades : numero: f*ck off
[2016-10-30 21:51:46] sleger : numero: how can we help you ?
[2016-10-30 21:52:02] Rado : numero: why can't we talk about shit
[2016-10-30 21:52:05] rapidtrades : it's marked to last, we're just following the rules
[2016-10-30 21:52:05] sleger : numero: you still have time to buy now to get out
[2016-10-30 21:52:20] rapidtrades : yeah until we work out the details
[2016-10-30 21:52:37] sleger : hurry i'm going to count to 10 @numero
[2016-10-30 21:52:59] Rado : it will take me 5 min to open an account and fund it