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[2016-10-30 15:14:37] wurstgelee : blocks are getting mined faster than scheduled based on average block time
[2016-10-30 15:14:39] Gemz : I submitted a withdrawal before 13 utc, but havent received it yet, any idea how long withdrawals take?
[2016-10-30 15:14:39] wurstgelee : that is all
[2016-10-30 15:14:48] iefken : arent they rising up to 12.5 in 30days time?
[2016-10-30 15:15:14] wurstgelee : iefken: the block reward for each and every block # is fixed
[2016-10-30 15:15:14] rapidtrades : Gemz: did u confirm email?
[2016-10-30 15:15:15] wurstgelee : right now
[2016-10-30 15:15:27] Gemz : yes i did
[2016-10-30 15:15:47] wurstgelee : its is not variable and in no way depending on the total nethash
[2016-10-30 15:15:58] Gemz : is admin here?
[2016-10-30 15:16:15] iefken : wurstgelee: There will also be a "slow-start" period during the first 20,000 blocks (about 34 days) where the block reward linearly increases to 12.5 ZEC. This is designed to reduce the impact of a potential negative event like "a major bug" or "security vulnerability".
[2016-10-30 15:16:16] wurstgelee : compare eth price and nethash chart. =)
[2016-10-30 15:16:30] iefken : wurstgelee: as said on http://www.coindesk.com/the-structure-and-valuation-of-zcash-vs-bitcoin/
[2016-10-30 15:16:37] wurstgelee : "lineary increases"
[2016-10-30 15:16:38] rapidtrades : then idk....withdrawals should've been sent 2 hrs ago...does it say pending in ur wallet or what? @Gemz
[2016-10-30 15:16:39] wurstgelee : ....
[2016-10-30 15:17:06] wurstgelee : FUCKING LINEAR
[2016-10-30 15:17:09] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-30 15:17:25] Rado : Zcash: 1278 Miners
[2016-10-30 15:17:29] wurstgelee : u would have to know what that means tho ;)
[2016-10-30 15:17:39] rapidtrades : Rado: wow
[2016-10-30 15:17:43] rapidtrades : our coin is great
[2016-10-30 15:17:52] wurstgelee : that is a lot
[2016-10-30 15:17:57] wurstgelee : really a lot
[2016-10-30 15:18:00] rapidtrades : cos it's the best coin
[2016-10-30 15:18:02] wurstgelee : for a 2 day old coin
[2016-10-30 15:18:17] wurstgelee : with new mining algo
[2016-10-30 15:18:21] rapidtrades : how much does bitcoin have...do we know?
[2016-10-30 15:18:45] wurstgelee : probably some stats available for that.
[2016-10-30 15:18:50] wurstgelee : those numbers dont make sense tho
[2016-10-30 15:18:59] wurstgelee : u would have to account for miners in pools
[2016-10-30 15:19:06] wurstgelee : *unless
[2016-10-30 15:19:16] rapidtrades : don't worry about it, our coin is great
[2016-10-30 15:19:21] wurstgelee : no worries
[2016-10-30 15:19:30] Rado : Bitcoin Core: 4,364 nodes
[2016-10-30 15:19:31] rapidtrades : buy some more :)
[2016-10-30 15:19:44] wurstgelee : i have patience
[2016-10-30 15:19:46] Rado : Bitcoin Unlimited: 382 nodes
[2016-10-30 15:19:50] wurstgelee : waiting for orders to get filled
[2016-10-30 15:19:52] rapidtrades : dam we're 1/4 of bitcoin
[2016-10-30 15:19:58] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-30 15:20:03] wurstgelee : bitcoin unlimited
[2016-10-30 15:20:12] wurstgelee : check bitcoin core
[2016-10-30 15:20:14] rapidtrades : f*ck bitcoin unlimited
[2016-10-30 15:20:18] wurstgelee : alsoooo nodes != miners
[2016-10-30 15:20:22] wurstgelee : !
[2016-10-30 15:20:29] rapidtrades : yeah we know but its all we have
[2016-10-30 15:20:53] Rado : ETH nodes: 6457
[2016-10-30 15:21:00] Rado : https://www.ethernodes.org/network/1
[2016-10-30 15:21:03] rapidtrades : f*ck ether ur numbers are wrong
[2016-10-30 15:21:03] wurstgelee : # of miners doesnt really matter
[2016-10-30 15:21:05] wurstgelee : nodes also
[2016-10-30 15:21:08] wurstgelee : total nethash!
[2016-10-30 15:21:30] Rado : I can give you hash rates as well
[2016-10-30 15:21:31] wurstgelee : problem is, you cant bompare bitcoin's sha256 with zecs equihash
[2016-10-30 15:21:36] rapidtrades : nethash is misleading too since bitcoin is mined with specialized hardware now
[2016-10-30 15:21:40] wurstgelee : *compare
[2016-10-30 15:21:53] wurstgelee : not as in compare absolute values
[2016-10-30 15:22:25] laisee : for mining ... a few hundred nodes will do the job ok
[2016-10-30 15:22:28] Rado : ZEC hash rate is measured in Sol
[2016-10-30 15:22:33] wurstgelee : zec is mainly gpu, btc is asics...
[2016-10-30 15:22:33] Rado : so it's hard to compare
[2016-10-30 15:22:35] Rado : 174.18 kS
[2016-10-30 15:22:37] wurstgelee : completely different sport
[2016-10-30 15:22:40] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-30 15:22:49] laisee : asics for now.
[2016-10-30 15:22:57] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-30 15:23:26] rapidtrades : yeah bitcoin's ASICS are useless for anything else
[2016-10-30 15:23:42] wurstgelee : all other sha256-coins...
[2016-10-30 15:24:01] laisee : heater, toaster?
[2016-10-30 15:24:03] rapidtrades : which is what...like 5?
[2016-10-30 15:24:57] wurstgelee : probably a lot more but i dont really know and care. i am no miner =)
[2016-10-30 15:25:10] rapidtrades : so is ZEC number 3 now by nodes?
[2016-10-30 15:25:13] rapidtrades : that's impressive
[2016-10-30 15:25:16] wurstgelee : that is
[2016-10-30 15:25:17] wurstgelee : indeed
[2016-10-30 15:25:35] Rado : http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/ethereum-network-hashrate-chart
[2016-10-30 15:25:51] wurstgelee : Rado: that
[2016-10-30 15:25:51] Rado : http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/bitcoin-network-hashrate-chart
[2016-10-30 15:26:01] Boontjie : well you are getting 2 btc per zec
[2016-10-30 15:26:01] wurstgelee : now compare to eth price chart ;)
[2016-10-30 15:26:04] Rado : look at BTC
[2016-10-30 15:26:05] rapidtrades : a n3 market cap is 200-300 mil
[2016-10-30 15:26:09] Boontjie : I cant see how that is not worth
[2016-10-30 15:26:17] Rado : Peta Hz
[2016-10-30 15:26:25] wurstgelee : Rado: btc is diff because of improving asics
[2016-10-30 15:26:32] Rado : I know
[2016-10-30 15:26:36] wurstgelee : k =)
[2016-10-30 15:26:37] Rado : it's interesting stats
[2016-10-30 15:26:40] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-30 15:26:59] Rado : ETH fell under 6 TH
[2016-10-30 15:27:18] rapidtrades : is cloud mining profitable?
[2016-10-30 15:27:23] Rado : here is ZEC
[2016-10-30 15:27:23] Rado : http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/zcash-network-hashrate-chart
[2016-10-30 15:27:28] rapidtrades : where's our 14y old protege to report back?
[2016-10-30 15:28:06] Rado : 2.8 MH
[2016-10-30 15:28:17] Rado : way lower than ETH
[2016-10-30 15:28:35] rapidtrades : is it mined with the same stuff..idk cpu gpu
[2016-10-30 15:29:05] Rado : rapidtrades: I hear it's memory intesive
[2016-10-30 15:29:07] Rado : RAM
[2016-10-30 15:29:19] Rado : not sure
[2016-10-30 15:30:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.437500
[2016-10-30 15:30:20] Rado : Equihash is a memory-oriented Proof-of-Work, which means how much mining you can do is mostly determined by how much RAM you have.
[2016-10-30 15:30:59] Rado : it's funny that price on Polo still falling, but price here is going up
[2016-10-30 15:31:11] Rado : I think people anticipate marking to happen soon
[2016-10-30 15:31:18] laisee : its called compromise ...
[2016-10-30 15:31:44] rapidtrades : Rado: 'people' = insiders
[2016-10-30 15:31:47] laisee : meet in the middle @ 0,88888
[2016-10-30 15:31:59] Rado : laisee: I would love 0.88
[2016-10-30 15:32:10] rapidtrades : i don't see this staying below 1
[2016-10-30 15:32:29] Rado : rapidtrades: wishful thinking perhaps?
[2016-10-30 15:32:38] rapidtrades : maybe :)
[2016-10-30 15:32:51] Rado : If ZEC stays around 1 BTC this will be huge for them
[2016-10-30 15:32:52] rapidtrades : like i said earlier, it's been too smooth path down
[2016-10-30 15:33:12] laisee : maybe when supply stablizes, ZEC will beat BTC prie again
[2016-10-30 15:33:16] rapidtrades : we need a sharpy rally like the one 5>15
[2016-10-30 15:33:26] Rado : rapidtrades: it could go up, but it will be short lived
[2016-10-30 15:33:31] rapidtrades : so 1>3 or 5
[2016-10-30 15:33:42] Gemz : why hasnt bitmex sent out my withdrawal yet
[2016-10-30 15:33:44] Rado : I don't see it in the long term having a price higher than BTC
[2016-10-30 15:33:51] rapidtrades : Gemz: i asked u a Q
[2016-10-30 15:34:00] laisee : daamn- I'd get ADL'd for the 4th time on ZEC
[2016-10-30 15:34:01] Gemz : yes i did confirm
[2016-10-30 15:34:13] rapidtrades : no does it say pending in ur BTC wallet
[2016-10-30 15:34:29] arbitrage001 : laisee: there are other way to make money
[2016-10-30 15:34:36] Gemz : rapidtrades: where do i see that
[2016-10-30 15:34:51] Rado : laisee: that's good
[2016-10-30 15:34:53] laisee : arbitrage001: I made money on the ADL's
[2016-10-30 15:34:55] Gemz : status says confirmed
[2016-10-30 15:34:56] rapidtrades : in ur wallet....usually says balance + pending
[2016-10-30 15:35:05] rapidtrades : ok so its not there?
[2016-10-30 15:35:08] arbitrage001 : laisee: o, you are long?
[2016-10-30 15:35:17] Gemz : wallet balance shows 0
[2016-10-30 15:35:22] laisee : long now.
[2016-10-30 15:35:39] Rado : Gemz: BitMEX send it, but needs to be confirmed by the network I guess
[2016-10-30 15:35:48] rapidtrades : and here https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet @Gemz
[2016-10-30 15:35:57] rapidtrades : what does it say under status
[2016-10-30 15:36:30] Gemz : confirmed
[2016-10-30 15:36:41] laisee : try looking at the wallet address on blockr.io or another site
[2016-10-30 15:36:43] rapidtrades : then it's not processing
[2016-10-30 15:36:53] rapidtrades : Gemz: when did u send it? in CET time
[2016-10-30 15:37:26] rapidtrades : cos clocks in europe went -1 and UTC stays the same
[2016-10-30 15:37:28] Gemz : 14:23 utc
[2016-10-30 15:37:39] rapidtrades : yeah that's why, sent it too late
[2016-10-30 15:37:43] Gemz : it shows 14:23
[2016-10-30 15:38:01] Gemz : ahh ffs
[2016-10-30 15:38:17] laisee : Gemz: don't woory, Bitmex are legit and your coins will arrive sometime
[2016-10-30 15:39:22] NL007 : i think we could see zec today under 1btc
[2016-10-30 15:39:31] Rado : see you later guys
[2016-10-30 15:39:40] NL007 : Rado: bye
[2016-10-30 15:41:44] thomaskikansha : new low polo
[2016-10-30 15:42:10] rapidtrades : guess we're lucky it's not polo
[2016-10-30 15:43:49] NL007 : we arent even at 1000 zec mined let alone 10k or 50k
[2016-10-30 15:44:07] rapidtrades : they should rename ZECZ16 to
[2016-10-30 15:44:29] rapidtrades : '1. I can't believe it's not real zcash
[2016-10-30 15:44:37] rapidtrades : 2. oh wait yes i can'
[2016-10-30 15:44:50] rapidtrades : god damit that was supposed to be a 2 ^
[2016-10-30 15:45:54] numero : lol, I like #1
[2016-10-30 15:47:19] NL007 : only 18btc for zec to hit 1btc
[2016-10-30 15:47:32] NL007 : going fast
[2016-10-30 15:47:50] NL007 : people lowering their buys
[2016-10-30 15:47:56] rapidtrades : yeah but 18 btc is over 18 zec now
[2016-10-30 15:48:06] NL007 : true
[2016-10-30 15:48:06] rapidtrades : there's only so much to go around
[2016-10-30 15:48:34] NL007 : in 24hrs zec mined will double
[2016-10-30 15:52:52] rapidtrades : Bitmex new motto ' We clear stops, not markets'
[2016-10-30 15:53:23] javierstone : crazy volatility this morning
[2016-10-30 15:53:50] chromaticcr1 : and we clear you out of the market #ADL
[2016-10-30 15:54:21] thomaskikansha : stops are to be triggered
[2016-10-30 15:56:37] aethlios : zecz16 still expensive.
[2016-10-30 15:57:15] javierstone : if i have an open position and i increase my leverage what exactly does that do in terms of risk adn rewards?
[2016-10-30 15:57:57] iefken : so what, theres like 1000 zec atm and there will be like 300k in december?
[2016-10-30 15:59:05] Gr33d : Shhh
[2016-10-30 16:00:29] chromaticcr1 : lol perhaps the market is smart enough to adjust for inflation, the price have implied the future supply... who knows!
[2016-10-30 16:00:43] lockhedge : javierstone: risk generally increases more than reward with higher leverage, because of maintenance margin
[2016-10-30 16:02:21] javierstone : gotcha
[2016-10-30 16:02:42] javierstone : and does the Unrealised PNL account for maintenance margin?
[2016-10-30 16:04:28] rapidtrades : prolly not
[2016-10-30 16:04:36] rapidtrades : that's exit at mark price
[2016-10-30 16:05:13] laisee : BTC/ZEC parity approaches. :-)
[2016-10-30 16:05:32] rapidtrades : it may bounce
[2016-10-30 16:06:11] javierstone : is there a good bitmex tutorial?
[2016-10-30 16:06:11] javierstone : anywhere
[2016-10-30 16:06:23] laisee : a second wave of pumpers and 'tards heading for POLO?
[2016-10-30 16:07:28] rapidtrades : u don't have to 'pump' what is great by its very nature
[2016-10-30 16:09:55] lockhedge : javierstone: there isn't one guide, it depends on what product you are trading. start with FAQ, swaps/futures guide and contract specifications
[2016-10-30 16:10:59] javierstone : amazing thank you @lockhedge
[2016-10-30 16:13:03] hazir : hey would be thankful for help... if i'm short, my liquidation price is set by how much spare money i have in my account, yeah?
[2016-10-30 16:13:43] numero : depends what are you short? :)
[2016-10-30 16:13:52] rapidtrades : yes if it's set on cross margin, no otherwise @hazir
[2016-10-30 16:13:53] hazir : i short at 670 dollars. have also +30 dollarsbtc in my account. get liquidated at 700 ?
[2016-10-30 16:14:41] hazir : i shorted zcash and got r**d by this :)
[2016-10-30 16:15:03] hazir : so that prompted me to learn. yeah, no leverage. thank you!
[2016-10-30 16:16:22] rapidtrades : if ur set on cross margin, it will drain ur whole account before liquidating
[2016-10-30 16:16:36] hazir : ok good
[2016-10-30 16:16:43] lockhedge : hazir: XBTUSD is an inverse contract, so you shouldn't get liquidated with less than 1x (because you are actually long USDXBT and there is no liquidation risk for longs with less than 1x)
[2016-10-30 16:18:29] hazir : thanks! and if i'm short? isn't it the same deal?
[2016-10-30 16:19:29] rapidtrades : do u have a liquidation price?
[2016-10-30 16:19:31] lockhedge : if you are short XBTUSD you are actually long USDXBT because of the inverse nature of the contract
[2016-10-30 16:19:48] rapidtrades : lockhedge: omg stop confusing him
[2016-10-30 16:27:31] lockhedge : normally shorts always have an unlimited risk (because a price can rise more than 100%), and longs have a limited risk (because a price can't drop below 0), imho it's good to know that XBTUSD is an inverse contract
[2016-10-30 16:27:42] Apocalyptic : how can the number of outstanding contracts fluctuate ?
[2016-10-30 16:28:58] sleger : it happens when people withdraw their zcash
[2016-10-30 16:29:19] Apocalyptic : sledger: cute trolling
[2016-10-30 16:29:43] mendax090 : Aprox. what will be the number of Zcash out there in Dec 30?
[2016-10-30 16:30:16] Apocalyptic : it must mean that Bitmex is regularly issuing/buying back contracts
[2016-10-30 16:30:26] sleger : lol
[2016-10-30 16:30:31] numero : mendax090: 300 000
[2016-10-30 16:30:38] Apocalyptic : or am I missing something ?
[2016-10-30 16:30:44] sleger : maybe im cute trolling but you're seriously saying stupid shit @Apocalyptic
[2016-10-30 16:31:22] mendax090 : numero: thanks
[2016-10-30 16:31:25] Apocalyptic : sledger, so maybe you can answer if it's that stupid
[2016-10-30 16:31:39] Apocalyptic : I'm not very familiar with futures
[2016-10-30 16:32:11] rapidtrades : sledger :)
[2016-10-30 16:33:10] lockhedge : Apocalyptic: you are not trading against bitmex, open longs always equal open shorts.
[2016-10-30 16:35:11] kradiav : ZEC ready to break 1.0 at polo... :D
[2016-10-30 16:35:29] hazir : rapidtrades yes i have a liquidation price but i don't know how it's calculated.
[2016-10-30 16:36:03] rapidtrades : on that bar to the left u can see how much leverage ur using
[2016-10-30 16:36:09] rapidtrades : the text on the bar
[2016-10-30 16:36:16] hazir : i'm using 0. thank you so much :) .
[2016-10-30 16:36:19] hazir : : )
[2016-10-30 16:36:32] Smartass : so how much is comission ist it always 0,5% of value
[2016-10-30 16:36:51] rapidtrades : if ur using 0 then u wouldn't have a liquidation price....it's prolly close to 0?
[2016-10-30 16:37:22] rapidtrades : close to 1 i mean
[2016-10-30 16:37:34] hazir : it's at "cross" isn't that 0?
[2016-10-30 16:37:48] hazir : i mean 1X
[2016-10-30 16:37:56] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-30 16:38:03] rapidtrades : but whhat does it say on the bar itself
[2016-10-30 16:38:09] hazir : 0.39X
[2016-10-30 16:38:20] rapidtrades : ok cool
[2016-10-30 16:38:36] hazir : what dose that mean?
[2016-10-30 16:38:38] rapidtrades : so u shouldn't be liquidated
[2016-10-30 16:38:44] rapidtrades : means that's ur leverage used
[2016-10-30 16:38:55] mendax090 : How come I have an Unrealised PNL of 26%(green) but a red/negative Realised PNL?
[2016-10-30 16:39:14] rapidtrades : because they're not the same thing
[2016-10-30 16:39:24] rapidtrades : u need to close position to go to realised
[2016-10-30 16:39:42] mendax090 : I'm guessing Realised PNL includes the fees?.. But even then, 26%-.5%, would still be positive?.. And it shows as negative?
[2016-10-30 16:39:47] lockhedge : hazir: does your liquidation price say "1000000", then you shouldn't get liquidated, that's just the max price
[2016-10-30 16:40:12] rapidtrades : mendax090: i think it shows realised for the whole life of the contract
[2016-10-30 16:40:25] rapidtrades : so all ur trades on that instrument
[2016-10-30 16:41:10] mendax090 : So it will always be on red until I close it?
[2016-10-30 16:41:11] hazir : but wouldn't a shorter get liquidated anyway if the price goes too high, even with no leverage ?
[2016-10-30 16:41:28] Smartass : hazir: yes
[2016-10-30 16:41:41] rapidtrades : not on xbtusd?
[2016-10-30 16:41:58] hazir : smartass thank you
[2016-10-30 16:42:01] Smartass : hazir: if you have leverage 1 you will be liquidated at 1,75xPrice
[2016-10-30 16:42:15] Smartass : hazir: oh i was talking the zecz16 contract
[2016-10-30 16:42:16] lockhedge : hazir: normally yes, but XBTUSD is an inverse contract. you are actually long USDXBT. read above...
[2016-10-30 16:42:16] rapidtrades : but not on xbtusd
[2016-10-30 16:42:26] Smartass : no idea what you are talking about
[2016-10-30 16:42:51] hazir : smartass also the zzz
[2016-10-30 16:42:52] rapidtrades : on xbtusd ur collateral is BTC....so its impossible to get liquidated with lev <1
[2016-10-30 16:43:18] Smartass : hazir: have not traded that so lockhedge and rapidtrades should know
[2016-10-30 16:43:32] rapidtrades : because ur PnL is in USD and ur collateral is in BTC
[2016-10-30 16:44:09] Apocalyptic : lockhedge: right, so actually no one is issuing these contracts, but one seller and one buyer together create one
[2016-10-30 16:45:16] hazir : basically i'm trying to short the zcash for as long as possible.
[2016-10-30 16:46:13] rapidtrades : well then u can get liquidated altho ur liq price is prolly high
[2016-10-30 16:46:36] rapidtrades : losses for shorts are theoretically unlimited
[2016-10-30 16:47:05] hazir : yup. though i can't really see zcash going over 1.29 btc here.
[2016-10-30 16:47:13] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-10-30 16:47:33] bitbit : why so low leverage for zcash?
[2016-10-30 16:47:40] rapidtrades : u will get liquidated once zcash hits ur liquidation price
[2016-10-30 16:47:54] Smartass : hey one question where can i find the trading fees for the cotnracts - cant fin it
[2016-10-30 16:48:02] hazir : but my price is 1.29 btc
[2016-10-30 16:48:10] hazir : hope not will hit
[2016-10-30 16:48:41] hazir : i want low leverage so i won't get short-r***d like i just did...
[2016-10-30 16:48:49] zcasher7777 : 1zec 721dollar from 30000dollar thats a big return to reality slap
[2016-10-30 16:48:51] zcasher7777 : hhhhhhhhhhh
[2016-10-30 16:48:53] rapidtrades : ur better off if u exit before the liq is hit, because margin maintence is really high on zcash
[2016-10-30 16:49:15] bitbit : any other place where I can short zcash?
[2016-10-30 16:49:33] bitbit : I need at least x10 leverage
[2016-10-30 16:50:06] hazir : what is margin maintenance?
[2016-10-30 16:50:06] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-10-30 16:50:26] zcasher7777 : bitbit: you have an idea of shorting why?
[2016-10-30 16:50:37] rapidtrades : hazir: it's a penalty u pay in excess for getting liquidated
[2016-10-30 16:50:48] bitbit : zcasher7777: ahaha ;)
[2016-10-30 16:51:01] rapidtrades : it goes into a liquidation fund
[2016-10-30 16:51:09] rapidtrades : allegedly
[2016-10-30 16:51:45] hazir : rapidtrades heh. jeez. maybe i should just take my loss and run away . so many blind spots for noobs
[2016-10-30 16:52:30] rapidtrades : yeah if i wasn't already in a position i wouldn't touch zec
[2016-10-30 16:53:15] hazir : though it's so clear where the price is going. i guess the Job is not to get liquidated
[2016-10-30 16:54:20] hazir : just sit around and put more bitcoins in account to keep the position. dose that make sense?
[2016-10-30 16:54:55] numero : hazir: please don't feed the trolls
[2016-10-30 16:55:50] hazir : is rapidtrades a troll?
[2016-10-30 16:55:53] rapidtrades : im long so can't advise :)
[2016-10-30 16:56:01] hazir : jesus
[2016-10-30 16:56:12] rapidtrades : do what u think is best
[2016-10-30 16:58:18] hazir : thank you
[2016-10-30 17:01:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 706.45 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-30 17:03:33] bitbit : how do you add to your position ?
[2016-10-30 17:03:43] bitbit : what techniques you use?
[2016-10-30 17:08:01] numero : sometimes I buy and sometimes I sell
[2016-10-30 17:08:38] sleger : numero: not funny
[2016-10-30 17:12:21] Smartass : rapidtrades: dont you want to close zec is going to hell horribly (as one can see)...
[2016-10-30 17:12:26] javierstone : what happens when you sell at market?
[2016-10-30 17:12:28] javierstone : on an open position
[2016-10-30 17:15:08] mjones : lol xmr. literally 30 seconds after i close my long it moves
[2016-10-30 17:17:42] numero : sleger: sorry, this whole world is new to me
[2016-10-30 17:31:40] aethlios : THIS IS CRYPTO!!!! (like sparta)
[2016-10-30 17:45:39] mjones : zec 1
[2016-10-30 17:45:47] thomaskikansha : few bids under 1
[2016-10-30 17:46:20] rapidtrades : gee thanks for the tick by tick updates guys
[2016-10-30 17:46:32] rapidtrades : like i give a shit...it's already down to 0.35 here
[2016-10-30 17:48:08] rapidtrades : like sleger's ETH my ZEC is an 'longterm investment'
[2016-10-30 17:48:37] Formiga : ZEC is going down faster than I ghough
[2016-10-30 17:49:05] rapidtrades : it's going down faster than I ghough too
[2016-10-30 17:49:11] thomaskikansha : 0.94
[2016-10-30 17:50:08] Formiga : Of course it is
[2016-10-30 17:50:17] Formiga : Only dumb people would pay 900 USD for a coin that just released
[2016-10-30 17:51:04] Formiga : No way ZEC will be above 100 usd
[2016-10-30 17:52:50] bitbit : can anyone explain me arbitrage ?
[2016-10-30 17:52:56] NL007 : zec wil around 0.25btc in 72hrs
[2016-10-30 17:53:27] Formiga : bitbit: google.com
[2016-10-30 17:53:32] bitbit : if I have 0.1 btc I have to buy 0.05 xbt perpetual and sell 0.05 futures right?
[2016-10-30 17:53:41] rapidtrades : all these newbs are crypto experts now
[2016-10-30 17:53:42] bitbit : Formiga: yes it's just a doubt that I have..
[2016-10-30 17:53:54] Formiga : XBT is BTC here in bitmex
[2016-10-30 17:53:58] rapidtrades : if we jump to 3 you'll be saying it's going to 15
[2016-10-30 17:54:04] Formiga : they call is XBT
[2016-10-30 17:54:08] Formiga : it*
[2016-10-30 17:54:23] Formiga : rapidtrades: this won't jump to 3
[2016-10-30 17:54:44] rapidtrades : sleger: where do i send a compensation request? u have exp with this
[2016-10-30 17:54:50] rapidtrades : is it support@
[2016-10-30 17:55:01] NL007 : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-10-30 17:55:10] rapidtrades : U JUST GOT HERE
[2016-10-30 17:55:15] kradiav : rate of ZECs created will be increasing for the next ~30 days... meaning its value will increasingly drop until it tries to stabilize around the perceived value point of the first bagholders
[2016-10-30 17:56:17] NL007 : Number of zec will increase nonstop
[2016-10-30 17:56:34] NL007 : untill we reach 21 million
[2016-10-30 17:56:39] kradiav : NL007: I said rate of creation, not just supply
[2016-10-30 17:56:56] NL007 : sorry true
[2016-10-30 17:57:00] chromaticcr1 : Formiga: rapid is thinking that the min cap would be 3 in some future time. He could get his money out since this is BailMex or CapMex or whatever he call it here.
[2016-10-30 17:57:58] NL007 : kradiav: i only think zec will be seen as just another alt
[2016-10-30 17:58:21] kradiav : NL007: yeap, not much value
[2016-10-30 17:58:50] bitbit : anyone knows how arbitrage works ??
[2016-10-30 17:59:18] NL007 : Many buyers lost a lot of btc on that pump thinking it will go higher
[2016-10-30 17:59:32] NL007 : they wont touch it again
[2016-10-30 17:59:53] NL007 : its tainted now
[2016-10-30 18:04:26] thomaskikansha : .92
[2016-10-30 18:06:33] NL007 : we are going to 0.8btc in a couple hrs
[2016-10-30 18:06:46] mjones : no one is gonna pump ZEC till it's really low
[2016-10-30 18:07:14] wurstgelee : i am long again. zime to end the break
[2016-10-30 18:07:20] wurstgelee : *time
[2016-10-30 18:07:21] thomaskikansha : no support on bids
[2016-10-30 18:07:47] wurstgelee : doesnt matter. at least to me
[2016-10-30 18:08:02] thomaskikansha : 20BTC till 0.8 50BTC till 0.5
[2016-10-30 18:08:13] kradiav : disaster
[2016-10-30 18:08:26] wurstgelee : if we go down, i will buy more :p
[2016-10-30 18:08:30] mjones : 0.86 ZEC
[2016-10-30 18:08:55] NL007 : maybe at 0.1btc i will buy
[2016-10-30 18:09:02] imabeast : who got liquidated on that zec pump last night?
[2016-10-30 18:09:03] imabeast : lol
[2016-10-30 18:09:09] wurstgelee : 1 seems reasonable atm
[2016-10-30 18:09:13] NL007 : not these levels
[2016-10-30 18:09:13] wurstgelee : to me ;)
[2016-10-30 18:09:47] aethlios : zcash dead????
[2016-10-30 18:10:06] aethlios : bitmex bears were right.
[2016-10-30 18:10:12] NL007 : 0.88btc now
[2016-10-30 18:10:23] mjones : so people are expecting ZEC to pump on bitmex?
[2016-10-30 18:10:24] thomaskikansha : it just keep diving
[2016-10-30 18:10:47] aethlios : 0.05 on dec. 30 at most
[2016-10-30 18:11:12] NL007 : problem is a few zec crashes prices
[2016-10-30 18:11:15] kradiav : mjones: only before it launched it was expected imo... from then on it was losing mementum and downhill
[2016-10-30 18:11:32] chromaticcr1 : **Zcrash**
[2016-10-30 18:12:02] thomaskikansha : with increasing supply it can go nowhere but down
[2016-10-30 18:12:16] wurstgelee : go on then
[2016-10-30 18:12:19] wurstgelee : short
[2016-10-30 18:12:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 18:12:28] mjones : i think eventually there will be a too big of a wall and it'll bounce. but i dont know if it will pump here
[2016-10-30 18:12:37] NL007 : last big support around 0.8btc
[2016-10-30 18:12:44] kradiav : at $15 for sure
[2016-10-30 18:13:12] Formiga : Zcash below 100 usd soon for sure
[2016-10-30 18:13:18] mjones : 867 ZEC right now
[2016-10-30 18:13:19] Formiga : stop think btc wise and focus on USD price
[2016-10-30 18:13:32] mjones : could go much lower
[2016-10-30 18:13:35] chromaticcr1 : But it kinda live up to its name, zero. Destination f#%ked.
[2016-10-30 18:13:46] NL007 : chromaticcr1: true
[2016-10-30 18:13:51] NL007 : zcrash
[2016-10-30 18:13:52] Formiga : mjones: not "could"... it will
[2016-10-30 18:14:35] wurstgelee : anyone who wants to sell me some @ .31 ?
[2016-10-30 18:15:41] wurstgelee : thought so ;)
[2016-10-30 18:15:49] HjP : how about .325?
[2016-10-30 18:15:56] wurstgelee : nope.
[2016-10-30 18:15:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 18:18:14] darbsllim : Zcash by 0.1 in ~2 days
[2016-10-30 18:18:56] NL007 : darbsllim: i think around 0.25btc
[2016-10-30 18:19:41] kradiav : wurstgelee: happy? :P
[2016-10-30 18:20:29] mjones : zec dump
[2016-10-30 18:20:52] thomaskikansha : ladies and gentlemen fasten your seatbelt
[2016-10-30 18:21:15] y1uy : $ZEC definately going down
[2016-10-30 18:21:20] y1uy : its a shitcoin
[2016-10-30 18:21:31] kradiav : they really fucked it up hard
[2016-10-30 18:22:12] y1uy : $ZEC head and shoulder
[2016-10-30 18:22:50] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-30 18:23:09] mjones : zec gonna pump hard. send your money to polo to double it
[2016-10-30 18:23:37] wurstgelee : put your money where your mouth is and sell then
[2016-10-30 18:23:42] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 18:23:53] jlafuente : mjones: zec will pump hard ... in 2-3 years xD
[2016-10-30 18:24:02] kradiav : wurstgelee: happier?
[2016-10-30 18:24:26] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-10-30 18:24:29] chromaticcr1 : y1uy: going down to knees and toes
[2016-10-30 18:24:32] wurstgelee : none of my orders go filled
[2016-10-30 18:25:05] chromaticcr1 : Too many hidden order around I guess
[2016-10-30 18:25:10] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-30 18:25:14] wurstgelee : Guess why.....
[2016-10-30 18:25:14] y1uy : going to short ZEC after i cashout my btc long
[2016-10-30 18:25:18] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-10-30 18:25:53] wurstgelee : thats for making people sell - obviously - and ot to pump it here
[2016-10-30 18:26:00] wurstgelee : ......
[2016-10-30 18:26:10] wurstgelee : *not
[2016-10-30 18:29:26] mjones : is polo down
[2016-10-30 18:31:38] y1uy : anyone knows a bitmex alternative?
[2016-10-30 18:31:49] y1uy : with high leverage?
[2016-10-30 18:31:59] y1uy : i dont like the liquidity on this
[2016-10-30 18:32:55] mjones : if there was one wouldn't we all be there
[2016-10-30 18:33:17] mjones : only other place i trade is okcoin.com 20x btc and ltc
[2016-10-30 18:40:14] kradiav : let the ZEC liquidations begin
[2016-10-30 18:40:39] rfcdejong : y1uy: kraken allows 5x on btc
[2016-10-30 18:42:31] y1uy : bye bye zcrash
[2016-10-30 18:42:45] y1uy : rfcdejong: thank you bro
[2016-10-30 18:44:26] imabeast : y1uy: u should close long now
[2016-10-30 18:44:32] imabeast : y1uy: just fyi
[2016-10-30 18:48:12] y1uy : imabeast: Already closed a while ago, thanks though
[2016-10-30 18:52:08] TA : imabeast: btc long?
[2016-10-30 19:02:44] javierstone : what happenes when you closet at mark price but the order book price is lower?
[2016-10-30 19:02:49] javierstone : closet=close
[2016-10-30 19:15:21] y1uy : wtf
[2016-10-30 19:15:26] y1uy : i closed my order on a profit
[2016-10-30 19:15:29] y1uy : but it came out as aloss
[2016-10-30 19:15:32] y1uy : :|
[2016-10-30 19:15:39] habibi : y1uy: magic! :D
[2016-10-30 19:15:58] y1uy : but why?
[2016-10-30 19:16:32] y1uy : is this site retardedly bugged?
[2016-10-30 19:16:38] habibi : y1uy: i guess u were in small profit coz of mark price which is not market close price
[2016-10-30 19:17:13] y1uy : it was market close price
[2016-10-30 19:18:43] Shaman : would be nice to close out a loss and see it turn into a profit instead
[2016-10-30 19:19:21] y1uy : why dont u try shaman?
[2016-10-30 19:19:48] Shaman : perhaps
[2016-10-30 19:20:22] y1uy : close price is the last price right?
[2016-10-30 19:21:15] Shaman : last price is just the last thing traded
[2016-10-30 19:21:27] Shaman : so close price should depend on what is in the orderbook
[2016-10-30 19:22:32] y1uy : oh ok
[2016-10-30 19:23:31] Rado : Tempted to short these 15 contracts over 0.3
[2016-10-30 19:23:34] Shaman : you could just place the opposite order at a set limit
[2016-10-30 19:24:36] wurstgelee : .9 at polo
[2016-10-30 19:24:45] wurstgelee : Rado: do it :)
[2016-10-30 19:40:53] zcasher7777 : do it
[2016-10-30 19:41:09] Boontjie : Rado: Dont, if CapMex marks to polo tomorrow, its liquidations time
[2016-10-30 19:46:22] kryptopojken : they need to announce that 24h before though
[2016-10-30 19:47:43] Boontjie : kryptopojken: you dont think people will buy it up?
[2016-10-30 19:48:12] Boontjie : if you are sleeping and the announcement comes through, boom wake up to 0 account balance
[2016-10-30 19:48:41] numero : i couldnt sleep last night for that very reason
[2016-10-30 19:49:06] kryptopojken : they will
[2016-10-30 19:49:09] kryptopojken : i think so
[2016-10-30 19:49:52] Boontjie : kryptopojken: if they allow you 24h to exit your position at entry sure, but currently longing can only mean profit
[2016-10-30 19:50:18] kryptopojken : not if polo takes it below 0.3
[2016-10-30 19:50:21] Boontjie : at worst you may take a 50% loss on waking up
[2016-10-30 19:50:29] Boontjie : sure, but 2 sides to risk
[2016-10-30 19:50:40] Boontjie : the shorting side is 100% loss, the long side not so much
[2016-10-30 19:51:02] Boontjie : assuming 1x leverage
[2016-10-30 19:52:02] Boontjie : I want to long btc, but I am scared
[2016-10-30 19:52:06] Boontjie : Is this normal?
[2016-10-30 19:53:31] mjones : btc gonna dump a lot
[2016-10-30 19:56:54] Boontjie : mjones: based on?
[2016-10-30 20:02:13] iefken : what happens when capmex marks polo?
[2016-10-30 20:04:15] Boontjie : iefken: the bots buy to index
[2016-10-30 20:04:30] mjones : pump
[2016-10-30 20:05:20] iefken : yea but polo is like downing so fast it'll probably be 0.5 tomorrow or so, whden will they mark it?
[2016-10-30 20:08:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 14 @ 701.69
[2016-10-30 20:13:28] zanza : RIP Bitcoin
[2016-10-30 20:13:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 699.25
[2016-10-30 20:16:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 10 @ 0.01587
[2016-10-30 20:16:53] Rado : They will mark it when Polo price is the same as here
[2016-10-30 20:16:59] Rado : mark my words :)
[2016-10-30 20:21:57] numero : I will miss this crazy spread a lot
[2016-10-30 20:25:44] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 697.06
[2016-10-30 20:25:44] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 230 @ 697.30
[2016-10-30 20:26:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: Sell 18000 @ 731.41
[2016-10-30 20:31:10] RoftheN : Is pump over or
[2016-10-30 20:31:29] sleger : no, eth going higher
[2016-10-30 20:32:32] RoftheN : ooh cuz of the ZKP
[2016-10-30 20:33:40] zefiris : How will marking ZEC to poloniex change anything? Surely the bots are already active?
[2016-10-30 20:33:59] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-10-30 20:33:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4500 @ 696.04
[2016-10-30 20:33:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1500 @ 696.21
[2016-10-30 20:33:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 28794 @ 696.16 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-30 20:34:49] gustavo7 : lol wat
[2016-10-30 20:37:00] kryptopojken : nice way to celebrate peoples misery
[2016-10-30 20:40:20] mjones : zec dump
[2016-10-30 20:40:28] numero : anyone know long BitMEX has been running?
[2016-10-30 20:41:04] gustavo7 : mjones since 8 hours anyway hehe
[2016-10-30 20:41:25] sleger : numero: if you had typed that on google you would already know
[2016-10-30 20:41:35] martinium : numero: since Nov 2014
[2016-10-30 20:43:10] numero : martinium: okay, thanks
[2016-10-30 20:45:40] NL007 : some people will wake up liquidated
[2016-10-30 20:45:54] NL007 : they will not be happy
[2016-10-30 20:46:14] NL007 : REKT: Liquidated long on XBTUSD: Sell 28794 @ 696.16 MEGA-REKT ?
[2016-10-30 20:46:27] RoftheN : aww
[2016-10-30 20:46:30] NL007 : like this one
[2016-10-30 20:46:56] kryptopojken : it's not much at 100x though
[2016-10-30 20:47:02] kryptopojken : 287$