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[2016-10-30 11:22:57] wurstgelee : i wouldnt say too much....
[2016-10-30 11:22:59] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 11:23:21] wurstgelee : wine fair follow by drinks followed by drinks followed by drinks....
[2016-10-30 11:23:22] wurstgelee : etc
[2016-10-30 11:23:57] Smartass : haha. Its always the last one right
[2016-10-30 11:28:17] Smartass : but its quite easy to check if you traded at the limit up times like 27th 22:00 and 28th 6:00 and 28th 14:00 they are all to early now. It looks like daylight savings time was applied to that tradelist..
[2016-10-30 11:30:00] BitMEX_Wally : All times are stored and sent as UTC and then they are rendered into your local time in the browser
[2016-10-30 11:30:58] Smartass : o.k. thats a bit unfortunate for historical tradelists. If i download it it has correct utc timestamps?
[2016-10-30 11:31:10] BitMEX_Wally : As the clocks went back in UK and Western Europe you will see ambigious time stamps between 01:00 and 02:00
[2016-10-30 11:31:37] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: that is a little annoying tho
[2016-10-30 11:31:50] BitMEX_Wally : Historical trade lists are correct, they show the local time at the time of the trade
[2016-10-30 11:32:01] wurstgelee : oh, nvm then
[2016-10-30 11:32:23] BitMEX_Wally : So a trade at 9pm local time yesterday is still shown as 9pm
[2016-10-30 11:32:48] null : why doesnt everyone just use UTC?
[2016-10-30 11:32:51] BitMEX_Wally : If you use the API then all timestamps are in unambiguous UTC
[2016-10-30 11:33:04] null : perfect
[2016-10-30 11:33:29] wurstgelee : i live in utc world @ crypto
[2016-10-30 11:33:34] wurstgelee : used to it =)
[2016-10-30 11:37:40] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: so if i get you right historical trade lists don't have this problem...
[2016-10-30 11:38:14] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: its just my PERSONAL tradelist which now shows in csv download 2 colums with 2 different timestamps
[2016-10-30 11:38:48] kryptopojken : BitMEX_Wally: are FCT and LSK going to be delisted next friday?
[2016-10-30 11:38:55] Smartass : and on site a timestamp which is one 1h to early
[2016-10-30 11:41:28] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: yesterday i went btc long at 702,80, had my stop market at 703, when the price went sub 700, suddenly i saw that i lost actually 1.8 btc, how is that possible, i had my stop even above my entry price
[2016-10-30 11:42:11] BitMEX_Wally : Your stop may not have been able to trigger or execute before you got liquidated?
[2016-10-30 11:43:33] Gemz : my liquidation price was at 642 so
[2016-10-30 11:43:35] BitMEX_Wally : Smartass: transactTime is when the trade occurred, timestamp is when it was published in the system. Are these the 2 columns?
[2016-10-30 11:44:14] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: hm i changed the time on my computer to test, but when i log in its still show 5:01are you shuere that it sends utc to browser then changes...
[2016-10-30 11:44:15] BitMEX_Wally : Gemz: A stop market order when triggered becomes a market sell, so you get whatever price is in the order book.
[2016-10-30 11:44:45] chromaticcr1 : and you have a choice to choose a reliable trigger price source ;)
[2016-10-30 11:45:33] BitMEX_Wally : Smartass: your system clock is irrelevant. You need to change your timezone
[2016-10-30 11:45:55] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: then i should use stop limit instead of stop market so it doesnt sell at market with bad price
[2016-10-30 11:46:30] BitMEX_Wally : Gemz: Yes, but then your sell limit order might sit there and never get filled
[2016-10-30 11:49:02] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: i think i should have used trailing stop instead
[2016-10-30 11:49:57] Gemz : either way i fckd up something
[2016-10-30 11:50:36] BitMEX_Wally : Either way, if your stop trigger is 703 and price goes sub 700 then the stop sell will trigger and you cannot expect it to sell at a better price than 700
[2016-10-30 11:50:48] BitMEX_Wally : this is called gap risk, or slippage
[2016-10-30 11:51:32] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: OK i see its the setting of the timezone. If data from API is UTC then its o.k....
[2016-10-30 11:51:46] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: thanks for your input....
[2016-10-30 11:52:07] arxlan : hello guys
[2016-10-30 11:52:13] arxlan : i am new o this
[2016-10-30 11:53:19] NL007 : where can i change my Maintenance Margin
[2016-10-30 11:54:23] Smartass : Gemz: you probabyl traded on a plattform with guranted Stops. This is different here its more like in reality: Price triggers stop which creates order which will be filled according to situation in Orderbook...
[2016-10-30 11:55:31] rapidtrades : look at all that ZEC buying....some lil birdie got the word from bitmex
[2016-10-30 11:57:19] rapidtrades : i thought about adding at 0.3 but u can't trust these ppl anymore
[2016-10-30 11:57:24] Gemz : Smartass: i need to know one thing, lets say i bought at 702, price goes up and i want to adjust my stop to 705 to have a smaal profit even when the price goes down, which stop order should i use, stop market, stop limit or trailing stop, when i traded s&p i just dragged my stop higher and when the price went more up i dragged it again higher which is trailing stop, not sure if its different here
[2016-10-30 11:57:29] BitMEX_Wally : NL007: you can adjust leverage using the leverage selector on the sidebar
[2016-10-30 11:57:39] rapidtrades : would they add limits after they mark to polo? put a cap at 1? who knows
[2016-10-30 11:57:51] NL007 : BitMEX_Wally: thnx i found
[2016-10-30 11:57:57] rapidtrades : they made a futures with a license to steal
[2016-10-30 11:58:32] Tetsuo : buy before i´t too late!
[2016-10-30 11:58:34] arbitrage001 : i got deleverage
[2016-10-30 11:58:40] arbitrage001 : all my position got clean out
[2016-10-30 11:58:53] arbitrage001 : thought it will be done partially
[2016-10-30 11:59:00] chromaticcr1 : arbitrage001: time to get it back it guess
[2016-10-30 11:59:04] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-10-30 11:59:10] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: on?
[2016-10-30 11:59:10] arbitrage001 : buying back
[2016-10-30 11:59:15] chromaticcr1 : arbitrage001: that would be the case if you are last in queue
[2016-10-30 11:59:16] arbitrage001 : zcash
[2016-10-30 11:59:23] rapidtrades : ofc....that was the plan
[2016-10-30 11:59:29] arbitrage001 : had long 29 contracts
[2016-10-30 11:59:37] rapidtrades : margin the longs, ADL the ones that didn't use leverage
[2016-10-30 11:59:37] arbitrage001 : went out to jogging
[2016-10-30 11:59:47] arbitrage001 : come back and found out i have 0 left
[2016-10-30 11:59:53] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: at a profit or loss?
[2016-10-30 11:59:59] arbitrage001 : small profit
[2016-10-30 12:00:05] arbitrage001 : bought at 0.3
[2016-10-30 12:00:11] arbitrage001 : develerage at .69
[2016-10-30 12:00:17] rapidtrades : ok well at least they're honoring that part of their terms
[2016-10-30 12:00:24] chromaticcr1 : Not bad bro
[2016-10-30 12:00:37] rapidtrades : honestly i wouldn't get back in, they could do anything in there
[2016-10-30 12:00:39] aethlios : why small profit?? 0.3 to 0.69
[2016-10-30 12:00:40] arbitrage001 : i mean 0.65
[2016-10-30 12:00:49] rapidtrades : im just sitting on what i have
[2016-10-30 12:00:55] arbitrage001 : was hoping to sell at 10btc
[2016-10-30 12:00:59] arbitrage001 : per zcash
[2016-10-30 12:01:02] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-10-30 12:01:14] aethlios : hope dies last
[2016-10-30 12:01:23] arbitrage001 : well,i am buying back in
[2016-10-30 12:01:34] rapidtrades : gl...hope u can read bitmex minds
[2016-10-30 12:01:35] arbitrage001 : see the 0.55, 0.54 bid?
[2016-10-30 12:02:48] arbitrage001 : o man
[2016-10-30 12:02:50] arbitrage001 : should shut up
[2016-10-30 12:02:58] Gemz : i opened a btc position with order value of 0.0142 and my realised pnl shows immidiatly -1.88 xbt, so i lost so much already? wtf
[2016-10-30 12:03:04] arbitrage001 : one of you put 20 contracts right in front of me
[2016-10-30 12:03:04] rapidtrades : all i see is scam....we were at 90% discount few hrs ago now we're almost at 50%
[2016-10-30 12:03:36] rapidtrades : and some idiot said to me in chat this morning 'bro its a fuuuuuture u don't understand'
[2016-10-30 12:04:05] aethlios : rapidtrades: so we were right on the discount.
[2016-10-30 12:04:10] wurstgelee : so discount gets smaller as zcash seems to stabilize above 1 atm...
[2016-10-30 12:04:14] wurstgelee : whats the problem?
[2016-10-30 12:04:22] rapidtrades : srsly ppl will use anything to rationalize they positions
[2016-10-30 12:04:28] wurstgelee : i have none
[2016-10-30 12:04:29] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: so tempted to buy all the contract up to 0.8
[2016-10-30 12:04:29] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-30 12:04:44] wurstgelee : i was tempted to drunk buy earlier when it was at .3xxxx :/
[2016-10-30 12:04:46] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: no discount got smaller as a bird got the word from bitmex
[2016-10-30 12:04:47] arbitrage001 : want to coordinate a short squeeze?
[2016-10-30 12:04:54] aethlios : arbitrage001: most are mine, try to re-short, please buy
[2016-10-30 12:04:57] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: and which word would that be?
[2016-10-30 12:04:57] rapidtrades : yday we traded at 0.3 while polo was at 3
[2016-10-30 12:04:59] Smartass : Gemz: what you need to understadn first is: a stop has trigger thats the price you set when that is reched it triggers either a market order or a limit order. BUT: those orders can only be executed if someone is willing to buy (closing long) for that price. The orderbook here is much less liquid than the most liquid market on earth SP500. So the prices you will get will be much different than the price you set if its a market order
[2016-10-30 12:05:10] rapidtrades : now we're at 0.6 while polo is at 1.2
[2016-10-30 12:05:16] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-30 12:05:22] rapidtrades : so tell me how anything u said makes sense sausage
[2016-10-30 12:05:30] Smartass : @rapidtrades: so
[2016-10-30 12:05:31] wurstgelee : and guess what, premium will get smaller...from here
[2016-10-30 12:05:45] rapidtrades : cos its a bitmex scam
[2016-10-30 12:05:47] wurstgelee : or discount
[2016-10-30 12:05:51] wurstgelee : lol no
[2016-10-30 12:05:56] rapidtrades : not cos it's 'forecasting the future'
[2016-10-30 12:05:57] arbitrage001 : discount on zcash is too large here
[2016-10-30 12:06:03] arbitrage001 : wonder who is the brave soul
[2016-10-30 12:06:09] Smartass : rapidtrades: its called backwardation its nothing special
[2016-10-30 12:06:24] rapidtrades : this is why scammers keep scamming
[2016-10-30 12:06:27] rapidtrades : cos ur all idiots
[2016-10-30 12:06:31] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-30 12:06:40] wurstgelee : yep.
[2016-10-30 12:06:40] Smartass : there is no law that future prices have to be higher than spot...
[2016-10-30 12:06:41] arbitrage001 : Smartass: backwardation is ok
[2016-10-30 12:06:49] arbitrage001 : Smartass: but 60% + discount ?
[2016-10-30 12:06:51] wurstgelee : if u dont want a discount, go trade spot ffs
[2016-10-30 12:06:53] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-10-30 12:06:54] habibi : rapidtrades: ffs u were crying all the time about ridiculus price at 0.5 then 1 btc then 2 and then finally u went into trade here and still crying all the time
[2016-10-30 12:07:13] rapidtrades : habibi: yeah so? i follow the market
[2016-10-30 12:07:25] wurstgelee : no, you are crying while following the market
[2016-10-30 12:07:25] rapidtrades : the actual market..but this fakeass insider shit here
[2016-10-30 12:07:47] Smartass : wurstgelee: +1
[2016-10-30 12:07:47] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: go trade spot. problem solved
[2016-10-30 12:07:53] habibi : rapidtrades: i can assure u there is no insider shit, just a lot of possibilites to rekt shorters here in past that were done
[2016-10-30 12:07:56] Gemz : Smartass: ok to put a stop order, which one is best to use, apparently stop market isnt a good one cus it good me out at a different price
[2016-10-30 12:08:23] wurstgelee : Gemz: thre only guaranteed stop is a margin call ;)
[2016-10-30 12:08:26] wurstgelee : *the
[2016-10-30 12:08:30] rapidtrades : a stop limit will guarantee ur price but not ur exit @Gemz
[2016-10-30 12:08:43] rapidtrades : so it's a double-edgeed sword
[2016-10-30 12:10:17] Gemz : zcash marketcap is only 600k, why so low?
[2016-10-30 12:11:24] Smartass : Gemz: hell No! a limit order will ONLY be executed to at least your price. But the big but is: It might not be executed at all... Imagine 1 Long price ist at 10btc 2 days ago you set limit to 9.5 But price falls immediatley to 9.4 so order can not be executed and price keeps falling like a rock to 2btc you look and you are still in this. Why because it could not sell for 9.5
[2016-10-30 12:11:49] rapidtrades : that's exactly what I said but with less words
[2016-10-30 12:11:53] rapidtrades : idiot
[2016-10-30 12:12:11] arbitrage001 : i have rebuild my position on zxash
[2016-10-30 12:12:16] arbitrage001 : wish me luck
[2016-10-30 12:12:27] rapidtrades : ur a brave man, gl
[2016-10-30 12:12:34] arbitrage001 : yeah baby
[2016-10-30 12:12:40] arbitrage001 : thank you for the discount, whoever
[2016-10-30 12:12:44] lockhedge : rapidtrades: you went long on a derivative on hyper inflation shitcoin, because you thought ppl would be even more stupid than you and buy at an even higher price. didn't work out, learn from it.
[2016-10-30 12:12:46] Smartass : A market order would have gotten you out - but for a worse price at 9.4 the limit order is like this: I will close but ONLY if price is right... And that can really kill in volatile markets
[2016-10-30 12:12:56] rapidtrades : lockhedge: screw u
[2016-10-30 12:13:07] rapidtrades : i didn't know u were this stupid lockhedge
[2016-10-30 12:13:18] rapidtrades : wish there was a way to tag ppl like i do on reddit
[2016-10-30 12:13:23] lockhedge : rapidtrades: why did you went long on zcash above 1 btc?
[2016-10-30 12:13:32] rapidtrades : moron, idiot, imbecile and so forth
[2016-10-30 12:13:51] Gemz : Smartass: so this is damn dangerous, best would be to exit manually and cherry pick from the orderbook
[2016-10-30 12:13:59] habibi : lockhedge: i think he went long close to 10 btc price
[2016-10-30 12:14:20] rapidtrades : i went long near 3 and it's in f chat
[2016-10-30 12:14:37] habibi : why u didnt get out at 5/6 or 10?
[2016-10-30 12:14:58] habibi : less greedy next time and u ll be fine
[2016-10-30 12:15:02] Smartass : Gemz: actually yes...
[2016-10-30 12:15:11] rapidtrades : habibi: whatever
[2016-10-30 12:15:18] rapidtrades : u deserve this exchange
[2016-10-30 12:15:41] Gemz : Smartass: i went long at 702,80 and put a market stop at 703 when i saw the price was 715, so i thought even if the price would go down i would be safe cus i will be out at 703, but seems i was wrong
[2016-10-30 12:15:43] rapidtrades : the only good thing bitmex has done is compiling a bunch of idiots i can make money from
[2016-10-30 12:15:57] rapidtrades : bring on the 200/1 leverage
[2016-10-30 12:16:26] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: trading is zero sum game
[2016-10-30 12:16:27] habibi : rapidtrades: but u are the one that is loosing money so far...
[2016-10-30 12:16:43] arbitrage001 : must pray your counter party is less informed
[2016-10-30 12:16:47] Smartass : In a supe rliwuid market like SandP you can probably get aout any time. Wll i did not check that durng financial cris but usually super eays but in crypto thats a whole different ball game
[2016-10-30 12:16:48] rapidtrades : i'm now....already said im + overall on zcash
[2016-10-30 12:16:52] rapidtrades : habibi: u
[2016-10-30 12:17:05] habibi : rapidtrades: me?
[2016-10-30 12:17:23] rapidtrades : that reply was to u
[2016-10-30 12:17:31] habibi : rapidtrades: good, good
[2016-10-30 12:18:15] Smartass : Gemz: No no what you did is this If Prices falls to 703 trigger market order. This market will then be executed for the highest bid there is if the bid is only 600 then you get only 600..
[2016-10-30 12:18:28] rapidtrades : holy shit...just use a stop limit ppl
[2016-10-30 12:18:42] NL007 : in 1 month zec price will be under 0.25btc
[2016-10-30 12:18:44] abc : how can i close positions by different price?
[2016-10-30 12:18:54] arbitrage001 : NL007: you know this because?
[2016-10-30 12:19:40] abc : How can I close positions by different prices?
[2016-10-30 12:19:51] NL007 : arbitrage001: comparing it to other coins on polo with ulta low supply like SYNC
[2016-10-30 12:20:21] kryptopojken : why are ther asks on FCT so high?
[2016-10-30 12:20:28] kryptopojken : MM sleeping?
[2016-10-30 12:20:51] NL007 : SYNC has 1177 coins and price is 0.17btc a coin
[2016-10-30 12:20:59] Gemz : Smartass: o damnnn, i dont want to put a stop market anymore then, which stop option would be better thats not a market order?
[2016-10-30 12:21:12] rapidtrades : stop limit
[2016-10-30 12:21:21] rapidtrades : end of discussion
[2016-10-30 12:21:29] NL007 : Zec will have 65000+ coins in 1 month
[2016-10-30 12:22:03] rapidtrades : that's only 46m market cap at price of 1 btc
[2016-10-30 12:22:16] rapidtrades : seems small for the one true coin if u ask me
[2016-10-30 12:22:42] NL007 : But number will grow
[2016-10-30 12:22:57] arbitrage001 : do you understand market?
[2016-10-30 12:23:08] arbitrage001 : what is market?
[2016-10-30 12:23:21] aethlios : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/zcash-unleashes-trading-frenzy/
[2016-10-30 12:23:21] rapidtrades : jews trading with each other
[2016-10-30 12:23:28] aethlios : 93000 coins day 30
[2016-10-30 12:23:40] Gemz : how many coins on dec 30?
[2016-10-30 12:23:44] rapidtrades : 300k
[2016-10-30 12:23:58] Gemz : so i dont think it will be 1 btc price then
[2016-10-30 12:24:06] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be so sure
[2016-10-30 12:24:07] Gemz : thats 210m mc
[2016-10-30 12:24:12] rapidtrades : eth has 1 bil market cap
[2016-10-30 12:24:24] arbitrage001 : Gemz: why does eth had 1b market cap ?
[2016-10-30 12:24:24] rapidtrades : even XMR came close to 100m no?
[2016-10-30 12:24:26] aethlios : maybe 310000 coins dec. 30
[2016-10-30 12:24:27] Gemz : but not in a month
[2016-10-30 12:24:32] arbitrage001 : why did, i sohuld say
[2016-10-30 12:24:48] Gemz : arbitrage001: after a year not 1.5 month lol
[2016-10-30 12:25:25] kryptopojken : FCT MM where u at??
[2016-10-30 12:25:30] arbitrage001 : btc is pretty useless in the real world, why does it have 10b market cap?
[2016-10-30 12:25:31] Gemz : i just think a 2-300m mc for zcash in 2 months is too much
[2016-10-30 12:25:33] rapidtrades : XMR market cap peaking at over 150m
[2016-10-30 12:25:46] rapidtrades : so a 1 btc price is very much possible on dec30
[2016-10-30 12:25:47] Gemz : but not after 2 months of release
[2016-10-30 12:25:56] aethlios : now 750 zcash total and price 1.3 btc, imagine 320000 in 2 months.... seeeeeeeell
[2016-10-30 12:26:10] arbitrage001 : aethlios: short it, brave soul
[2016-10-30 12:27:02] aethlios : 0.05 to 0.1 price on dec 30 based on my private crypto analysis
[2016-10-30 12:27:22] NL007 : https://forum.z.cash/t/buy-or-sell-zcash/1511/36
[2016-10-30 12:27:27] rapidtrades : ur analysis also led u to 'invest' in buttfinex @aethlios
[2016-10-30 12:27:31] NL007 : brb
[2016-10-30 12:27:38] rapidtrades : in other words, it's shit
[2016-10-30 12:27:42] habibi : aethlios: u still here :D? all ur tips during last week were leading to loss/liquidations
[2016-10-30 12:27:58] rapidtrades : ofc he's here we got bailed out my bitmex
[2016-10-30 12:28:06] habibi : like longing monero at 0.09-0.1 and shorting zcash since 0.5 or lower before spikeup
[2016-10-30 12:28:12] rapidtrades : didn't u read? he shorted with a liq above 10
[2016-10-30 12:28:25] aethlios : rapidtrades: didn't invest, i keep bfx and use them as margin to trade btc. the finex stock wasn't tradeable, so i didn't want to lock my capital.
[2016-10-30 12:28:34] rapidtrades : whatever bailout boy
[2016-10-30 12:29:25] Gemz : zcash wont go much up or down imo, price will just stay pretty much the same and mc will just rise cus of new coins coming out
[2016-10-30 12:29:51] arougkalos : are withdrawals processed?
[2016-10-30 12:29:56] Formiga : Gemz: rofl. yea of
[2016-10-30 12:30:19] Formiga : Gemz: +1000 Zcash being mined everyday, do u really think this will hold?
[2016-10-30 12:30:22] aethlios : want to become a food stamp receiver?? buy zcash NOW
[2016-10-30 12:30:22] rapidtrades : arougkalos: in around 30 mins
[2016-10-30 12:30:32] rapidtrades : aethlios: im already long
[2016-10-30 12:30:55] arougkalos : rapidtrades: ok i was worried that maybe sunday they will not do it...thnx
[2016-10-30 12:31:00] Formiga : next week there will be +2000 Zcash being mined everyday... hahaha people think it will hold this prices... it will hit 0.1 on polo soon
[2016-10-30 12:31:09] aethlios : rapidtrades: what's your exit price target??
[2016-10-30 12:31:22] arbitrage001 : aethlios: should ask me
[2016-10-30 12:31:31] lockhedge : rapidtrades: you are still long? zec?
[2016-10-30 12:31:35] rapidtrades : prolly BE....getting out of this shithole
[2016-10-30 12:31:35] arbitrage001 : aethlios: the next adl kick in
[2016-10-30 12:31:43] aethlios : arbitrage001: are you long too??
[2016-10-30 12:31:48] arbitrage001 : yeah
[2016-10-30 12:31:54] Formiga : rapidtrades: lol u long on zec?
[2016-10-30 12:32:02] rapidtrades : duh that's what i said
[2016-10-30 12:32:13] aethlios : arbitrage001: what is your target?? can't fight gravity.
[2016-10-30 12:32:20] Formiga : rapidtrades: u should change ur name soon to "notrades" after this go to the ground
[2016-10-30 12:32:27] arbitrage001 : aethlios: when dpe kick in
[2016-10-30 12:32:32] arbitrage001 : adl
[2016-10-30 12:32:38] arbitrage001 : like 2 hours ago
[2016-10-30 12:32:48] arbitrage001 : made 10btc in a few hours lol
[2016-10-30 12:32:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.400000
[2016-10-30 12:33:01] Gemz : i think its safer to buy golem ico and triple in couple months
[2016-10-30 12:33:43] aethlios : could short 0.6 to 0.8 a few hours before, decent entry again.
[2016-10-30 12:33:45] arbitrage001 : based on the tape
[2016-10-30 12:33:52] rapidtrades : aethlios: u do that
[2016-10-30 12:33:55] arbitrage001 : someone desperately trying to bring down the price
[2016-10-30 12:34:02] arbitrage001 : dont think he will win
[2016-10-30 12:34:16] rapidtrades : smone is their MM and unless ur liq is 0 ur at risk
[2016-10-30 12:34:18] Formiga : arbitrage001: u talking about zcash?
[2016-10-30 12:34:28] arbitrage001 : Formiga: right
[2016-10-30 12:34:38] rapidtrades : srsly noone should trade this crap unless ur already stuck like me
[2016-10-30 12:34:44] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: my liq price is 0
[2016-10-30 12:34:50] Formiga : arbitrage001: ok, so with 1000+ zcash being mined everyday u think this is hold 300 usd price and above?
[2016-10-30 12:35:02] Gemz : i had 26 btc and screwd up now i have 17 ffs
[2016-10-30 12:35:09] arbitrage001 : Formiga: just a short term trade
[2016-10-30 12:35:16] arbitrage001 : Formiga: too many think like you
[2016-10-30 12:35:26] arbitrage001 : Formiga: made money off short squeeze
[2016-10-30 12:35:39] aethlios : arbitrage001: you are a brave trader, can't fight the bear trend, just give up.
[2016-10-30 12:35:40] arbitrage001 : cuz i dont use leverage on high risk position
[2016-10-30 12:36:09] Gemz : there 50 contracts long, who wants to short?
[2016-10-30 12:36:12] rapidtrades : discussing what ZEC does is pointless cos we're not tethered to it
[2016-10-30 12:36:19] Gemz : lol
[2016-10-30 12:36:22] arbitrage001 : aethlios: i already made enough profit on last liquidation
[2016-10-30 12:36:32] arbitrage001 : aethlios: even if zcash fall into 0, i still profit
[2016-10-30 12:36:33] rapidtrades : u should discuss what bitmex will do next
[2016-10-30 12:37:11] arbitrage001 : well, not 0, start losing money at 0.1
[2016-10-30 12:37:52] aethlios : spot ready to attack parity.
[2016-10-30 12:37:55] Formiga : 0.1 is pretty doable when poloniex crashes to it in few days
[2016-10-30 12:38:11] arbitrage001 : Formiga: no one can tell future
[2016-10-30 12:38:21] kryptopojken : why are there no orders on FCT?
[2016-10-30 12:38:25] kryptopojken : correct orders
[2016-10-30 12:38:38] arbitrage001 : Formiga: good traders do not make assumption
[2016-10-30 12:38:38] Formiga : arbitrage001: wanna bet? we can get an escrow
[2016-10-30 12:38:53] arbitrage001 : Formiga: you can bet on the price like i already did
[2016-10-30 12:39:03] rapidtrades : i'll be ur escrow for 1 ZEC
[2016-10-30 12:39:26] aethlios : Formiga: I bet 50 btc zcash spot below 0,20 on dec 30
[2016-10-30 12:39:52] rapidtrades : aethlios: u do even have 50 btc?
[2016-10-30 12:40:00] habibi : i bet that aethlios will be right first time in chat history
[2016-10-30 12:40:05] Formiga : lol I tought u were saying it was going up rofl... now u wanna bet it's below 0.2?
[2016-10-30 12:40:53] aethlios : yes i have 50 btc and bet that zcash spot below 0.20 on dec. 30
[2016-10-30 12:41:04] Formiga : problem is u guys are focusing on BTC prices... USD price also matters.. ETH and all other coins are below 10 USD... and people are paying 900 usd for Zcash
[2016-10-30 12:41:25] rapidtrades : duh cos supply is low
[2016-10-30 12:41:27] chromaticcr1 : let's get back to the shitfest we had just now :shipit:
[2016-10-30 12:41:37] habibi : u were not so specific about longing monero before
[2016-10-30 12:41:56] rapidtrades : i dunno how he has 50 btc....he's so full of shit
[2016-10-30 12:42:03] rapidtrades : maybe he sells shit...
[2016-10-30 12:42:09] Gemz : the question is will zcash get mc of 200m on dec 30 cus that would be 1 btc if btc prices stay the same
[2016-10-30 12:42:25] rapidtrades : aethlios: do u sell manure brah?
[2016-10-30 12:42:27] Formiga : aethlios: That was my bet... @rapidtrades supply dosn't matter, if this is true Why don't u buy a shitload of PINK at poloniex? Marketcap is below 500btc
[2016-10-30 12:42:47] rapidtrades : cos it doesn't have the zec hype
[2016-10-30 12:43:04] rapidtrades : this shit will be bigger then XMR
[2016-10-30 12:43:29] rapidtrades : anonymizing coins are in
[2016-10-30 12:43:29] aethlios : collect 50 btc and lets talk to bitmex to ne the escrow, bitmex now can confirm i have 50 btc here in bitmex.
[2016-10-30 12:43:46] rapidtrades : im certainly not giving 50 btc to bitmex ever
[2016-10-30 12:43:51] aethlios : on dec. 30 bitmex pays the winner
[2016-10-30 12:44:08] aethlios : we already have out btc on bitmex.
[2016-10-30 12:44:24] Gemz : does bitmex do escrow?
[2016-10-30 12:44:30] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-10-30 12:45:01] aethlios : they hold our coins, we can ask them.
[2016-10-30 12:45:32] aethlios : arbitrage001: ready for the bet???
[2016-10-30 12:45:42] rapidtrades : i'm only keeping the min here from now
[2016-10-30 12:45:51] arbitrage001 : aethlios: i already bought enough zcash for the bet
[2016-10-30 12:45:54] aethlios : rapidtrades: put 5 btc
[2016-10-30 12:45:59] rapidtrades : this is very speculative exchange imo, rules change all the time
[2016-10-30 12:46:19] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: make it to your advantage
[2016-10-30 12:46:26] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: nice discount we have now
[2016-10-30 12:46:42] arbitrage001 : when every other exchange trading above 1 btc
[2016-10-30 12:46:44] aethlios : my bet offers you an entry price for 0.2 cheaper then the market. you wouldn't like to buy to 0.2???
[2016-10-30 12:47:28] rapidtrades : i'm already long and i don't plan to add to it, ever
[2016-10-30 12:47:35] rapidtrades : i don't average losers
[2016-10-30 12:47:43] arbitrage001 : have a small unleverage position also
[2016-10-30 12:53:30] rapidtrades : we are overdue for a face ripping rally imo
[2016-10-30 12:53:41] rapidtrades : selling has been too consistent
[2016-10-30 12:53:55] rapidtrades : need a 100-300% jump to clear the shorts
[2016-10-30 12:54:02] aethlios : parity sooooooon
[2016-10-30 12:54:22] rapidtrades : not talking about here tho...on polo
[2016-10-30 12:54:39] aethlios : zcash already hacked, hacker sells unlimited coins
[2016-10-30 12:55:01] rapidtrades : it's ok we can fork
[2016-10-30 12:55:18] aethlios : it's a company, can't fork
[2016-10-30 12:55:35] rapidtrades : ur mom's a company too and she forked
[2016-10-30 12:55:58] aethlios : read the terms before going long
[2016-10-30 12:56:09] aethlios : adl wont save you
[2016-10-30 12:56:13] laisee : its code, can always fork
[2016-10-30 13:01:19] rapidtrades : where can i see a history of my deposits
[2016-10-30 13:01:41] aethlios : to the withdraw section
[2016-10-30 13:01:46] rapidtrades : no
[2016-10-30 13:03:12] rapidtrades : nvm
[2016-10-30 13:10:36] sleger : 3$ discount now ? Is there a new cap ? BearMEX ?
[2016-10-30 13:14:54] RoftheN : So what stops people from forking Zcash to make a blockchain without the 20% going to one address?
[2016-10-30 13:16:10] dasdfasdf : loss of community
[2016-10-30 13:21:31] sleger : eth will have ZKP in the future
[2016-10-30 13:22:08] RoftheN : ZKP?
[2016-10-30 13:22:55] wurstgelee : working on withdrawals @ admins?
[2016-10-30 13:23:51] sleger : RoftheN: you trade zcash and dont know what ZKP means ?
[2016-10-30 13:24:12] RoftheN : I know what Zero-knowledge proof is
[2016-10-30 13:24:18] RoftheN : but I didn't see the ZKP abbrevation before
[2016-10-30 13:24:41] sleger : ok well thats what it is
[2016-10-30 13:31:43] wurstgelee : nvm ;)
[2016-10-30 13:32:21] dasdfasdf : "ETHXBT Order Price amended from 0.015 to 0.015."
[2016-10-30 13:32:26] dasdfasdf : so helpful
[2016-10-30 13:33:57] wurstgelee : 1.25 looks like it might be bottom for now
[2016-10-30 13:34:00] wurstgelee : @ polo
[2016-10-30 13:34:14] wurstgelee : *1.2
[2016-10-30 13:34:17] dasdfasdf : til more are mined
[2016-10-30 13:35:12] wurstgelee : current price would put it @ 360k btc market cap (dec 30)
[2016-10-30 13:35:24] wurstgelee : @ 1.2 btc/zec
[2016-10-30 13:35:41] chromaticcr1 : wurstgelee: u should use 0.38 for this calculation
[2016-10-30 13:36:01] wurstgelee : chromaticcr1: nope. polo makes the price
[2016-10-30 13:36:03] wurstgelee : not bitmex
[2016-10-30 13:36:41] sleger : polo makes spot price not dec30 price
[2016-10-30 13:36:44] chromaticcr1 : wurstgelee: futures price would be a more accurate representation of a futures price
[2016-10-30 13:37:06] wurstgelee : sleger: it will make dec30 price
[2016-10-30 13:37:08] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 13:37:10] chromaticcr1 : sleger: since when you got serious here :wow:
[2016-10-30 13:37:45] Frostax : what are the predictions for zec price when slow mining finishes?
[2016-10-30 13:38:48] wurstgelee : none. way too early to have more than wild guesses and wishful thinking :)
[2016-10-30 13:39:02] sleger : chromaticcr1: i dont know what you're talking about, im only saying stupid things to stupid questions so maybe you were asking too many of those
[2016-10-30 13:54:20] 200822893@qq.com : 谁给个微信号，谢谢
[2016-10-30 13:54:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ7D`: Sell 400 @ 74991
[2016-10-30 13:56:07] 200822893@qq.com : ？
[2016-10-30 13:56:14] chromaticcr1 : @BitMEX_Jinming
[2016-10-30 13:56:28] rapidtrades : sleger: ur right selger, he's asking many stupid qs
[2016-10-30 13:56:54] chromaticcr1 : 200822893@qq.com: 你微信搜搜BitMEX看看找找到
[2016-10-30 13:57:10] chromaticcr1 : 找不找到*
[2016-10-30 13:57:29] 200822893@qq.com : 谢
[2016-10-30 13:57:30] BitMEX_Jinming : 200822893@qq.com: 你的微信号是什么？我加你
[2016-10-30 13:57:46] sleger : guys get your own room
[2016-10-30 13:57:56] 200822893@qq.com : BitMEX_Jinming: 13802339593
[2016-10-30 13:57:57] sleger : you know a tiny one where you still can fit 25 people
[2016-10-30 13:58:09] rapidtrades : this is redic....volume on pol has been 4-5 times higher then here for 3 days now
[2016-10-30 13:58:21] BitMEX_Jinming : 200822893@qq.com: ok
[2016-10-30 13:58:21] Rado : sup girls
[2016-10-30 13:58:43] rapidtrades : yet they allow their circus MM to run wild on Zcash and margin ppl left and right
[2016-10-30 13:59:10] rapidtrades : also zcash has been in top4 on polo for 3 days...so don't give me that 'it's not liquid crap'
[2016-10-30 13:59:15] rapidtrades : ur so full of shit bitmex
[2016-10-30 13:59:41] Anon39 : zec made me rich
[2016-10-30 14:00:28] gustavo7 : sell plox
[2016-10-30 14:00:34] kryptopojken : any mods in chat right now??
[2016-10-30 14:02:24] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Jinming: <<< this guy is support not sure if he mods
[2016-10-30 14:03:26] Rado : Anon39: you must have low standards
[2016-10-30 14:04:25] rapidtrades : Rado: have u been making $ on ETH past 2-3 months?
[2016-10-30 14:04:29] rapidtrades : with ur bots
[2016-10-30 14:04:49] Rado : my bot is up 20% compared to spot down 30%
[2016-10-30 14:04:53] Anon39 : What's your standard than?
[2016-10-30 14:05:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5 @ 700.95
[2016-10-30 14:05:03] mendax090 : Long ETH, Short ZEC?
[2016-10-30 14:05:04] Rado : not something to brag about, but better than losing
[2016-10-30 14:05:23] rapidtrades : Rado: overall of just past 2-3 months?
[2016-10-30 14:05:42] Rado : rapidtrades: overall, now running for 6 months
[2016-10-30 14:05:50] Rado : I need to work on a better version
[2016-10-30 14:05:56] Rado : this was just my first try
[2016-10-30 14:06:05] rapidtrades : don't tinker with it too much
[2016-10-30 14:06:29] rapidtrades : 20% is not bad...ofc it depends on the risk
[2016-10-30 14:06:45] Rado : to tell you the truth the bot will probably beat 99% of traders
[2016-10-30 14:07:20] rapidtrades : prolly 80% :)
[2016-10-30 14:08:11] rapidtrades : it's been flat for 5 months until it fell few days ago
[2016-10-30 14:08:25] rapidtrades : so not the best environment
[2016-10-30 14:08:26] Rado : yes
[2016-10-30 14:08:54] Rado : it was up 200% before the flat period started
[2016-10-30 14:09:08] Rado : just recently started making money again
[2016-10-30 14:09:18] rapidtrades : yes...that's expected behavior for trend systems
[2016-10-30 14:09:22] Rado : so the improvment can be done when there is no trend
[2016-10-30 14:09:34] Rado : or maybe 2 bots
[2016-10-30 14:09:41] Rado : one trend and one scalping bot
[2016-10-30 14:10:03] Rado : you run both and average the gains
[2016-10-30 14:10:32] rapidtrades : maybe, don't have much exp with scalping bots
[2016-10-30 14:10:49] rapidtrades : manually i suck at it
[2016-10-30 14:11:02] DOGG : go go go BTC
[2016-10-30 14:11:18] TwinnerD : anyone knows if withdrawals are really only sent out once a day in batch?
[2016-10-30 14:11:24] TwinnerD : no exceptions ever?
[2016-10-30 14:11:58] BitMEX_Jinming : kryptopojken: what can I help?
[2016-10-30 14:12:49] kryptopojken : hi
[2016-10-30 14:12:55] kryptopojken : I just sent a support tickt
[2016-10-30 14:13:01] kryptopojken : but maybe we can discuss it here
[2016-10-30 14:13:05] BitMEX_Jinming : kryptopojken: we will look at it.
[2016-10-30 14:13:13] kryptopojken : ok thanks
[2016-10-30 14:15:19] KETH : BitMEX_Jinming: Hello. For information, how long does it take you to answer a support ticket aproximately?
[2016-10-30 14:15:40] mendax090 : If the ETH contract says it expires in 5 days, does that mean in 5 days my order/position will be liquidated?
[2016-10-30 14:16:05] TwinnerD : not liquidated. Executed
[2016-10-30 14:16:39] TwinnerD : Its a settlement
[2016-10-30 14:16:41] Rado : mendax090: settled
[2016-10-30 14:16:45] BitMEX_Jinming : KETH: It depends on how many of us are online. But we always try to address them asap.
[2016-10-30 14:17:04] mendax090 : TwinnerD: So if I buy now at .01486, and in 5 days the price is lower, my order will be closed at a loss?
[2016-10-30 14:17:16] Rado : correct
[2016-10-30 14:17:24] Rado : you can always reopen it
[2016-10-30 14:17:31] Rado : you just lose the commission
[2016-10-30 14:17:56] mendax090 : Wouldn't it be cheaper to do execute it at poloniex since they dont have an expiration date?
[2016-10-30 14:18:23] Rado : not cheaper
[2016-10-30 14:18:26] TwinnerD : mendax090: what exactly do you want to do with it?
[2016-10-30 14:18:34] TwinnerD : here you bet on the price, no physical holding
[2016-10-30 14:18:39] Rado : but if you don't need leverage you should trade there
[2016-10-30 14:18:48] TwinnerD : on polo, even with marging, you trade it phsicially
[2016-10-30 14:18:57] mendax090 : I just wanted my bet on the price but longer... like in a month or so, not for 5 days
[2016-10-30 14:19:17] TwinnerD : then you open it here and just reopen with the next contract
[2016-10-30 14:19:26] TwinnerD : roll it over
[2016-10-30 14:19:28] Rado : I should write a blog post about crypto futures
[2016-10-30 14:20:32] TwinnerD : Rado: you should. but rolling over ect is exactly the same as normal future markets, here you just have to do it manually for now
[2016-10-30 14:20:47] TwinnerD : there is tons of content for it already
[2016-10-30 14:20:59] Rado : TwinnerD: I am talking about general understanding of what a future is
[2016-10-30 14:21:05] Rado : many of teh users here don't have it
[2016-10-30 14:21:28] Rado : I know there is, but it will be done specifically for crypto
[2016-10-30 14:21:37] TwinnerD : don't you think content about normal futures will suffice here?
[2016-10-30 14:21:47] Rado : no
[2016-10-30 14:21:51] TwinnerD : a guide on how margin is handled here might be better though
[2016-10-30 14:21:55] TwinnerD : as its very specific
[2016-10-30 14:23:06] TwinnerD : https://www.bitmex.com/app/futuresGuide
[2016-10-30 14:25:18] rapidtrades : Rado: waste of time
[2016-10-30 14:25:29] rapidtrades : 90% won't read it, me included
[2016-10-30 14:25:50] Rado : lol
[2016-10-30 14:25:57] Rado : it wouldn't be for you
[2016-10-30 14:26:15] Rado : every time a newbie ask a question here I will have a link to give them
[2016-10-30 14:26:28] rapidtrades : most ppl are here for the gambol not to make money :)
[2016-10-30 14:26:42] Rado : that's sad
[2016-10-30 14:27:11] numero : I would read your futures guide
[2016-10-30 14:27:57] Rado : numero: ?
[2016-10-30 14:29:03] Rado : rapidtrades: what is your average price on ZEC?
[2016-10-30 14:30:59] TwinnerD : I am out of the ZEC game. Closed at 0.55 :)
[2016-10-30 14:31:40] Rado : "Zcash founder(@zooko): "I don't understand how zero-knowledge proofs actually specifically work"
[2016-10-30 14:32:04] Rado : TwinnerD: didn't sell any when it was over 5?
[2016-10-30 14:32:15] Rado : I guess it was for a very short period of time
[2016-10-30 14:32:25] rapidtrades : Rado: around 3
[2016-10-30 14:32:52] Rado : rapidtrades: are you serious?
[2016-10-30 14:33:08] rapidtrades : ofc
[2016-10-30 14:34:26] rapidtrades : it only looks bad in retrospect :)
[2016-10-30 14:37:06] wurstgelee : here for gamble and making money. ;)
[2016-10-30 14:37:29] TwinnerD : Rado: avg price around 5,x but I only opened 8 contracts because I was scared they remove the cap
[2016-10-30 14:38:03] TwinnerD : still good profit
[2016-10-30 14:39:10] Rado : nice
[2016-10-30 14:39:43] iefken : when having an open position the mark price, is that the price you get when closing at market? because the mark price is not the same as the prices shown in the order book
[2016-10-30 14:40:03] TwinnerD : no, but its used for margin calls ect
[2016-10-30 14:40:31] iefken : ok thx
[2016-10-30 14:40:58] rapidtrades : not on ZEC tho, thats' marked to last to make it easier for MM to push people around
[2016-10-30 14:41:17] Rado : BitMEX_Jinming: any news on ZEC marking?
[2016-10-30 14:41:31] Rado : volume is over 1000 Zec on Polo
[2016-10-30 14:42:08] Tetsuo : it needs to be 1000ZEC within in 6hours!
[2016-10-30 14:42:10] sleger : and price is very stable now
[2016-10-30 14:42:19] Rado : sleger: yes
[2016-10-30 14:42:34] Rado : there is no reason not to mark it to Polo now
[2016-10-30 14:42:45] sleger : not doing it is absurd
[2016-10-30 14:42:53] Tetsuo : we will find one, i´m sure
[2016-10-30 14:43:41] rapidtrades : sorry guys new rule...24h announcement can only be posted on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays
[2016-10-30 14:43:42] TwinnerD : they also said healthy deposits and withdrawals
[2016-10-30 14:43:46] kryptopojken : what exactly happes when they "mark" it?
[2016-10-30 14:43:52] kryptopojken : isnt the market free anyways?
[2016-10-30 14:43:55] TwinnerD : Our criteria for this marking are as follows: Healthy deposits and withdrawals
[2016-10-30 14:44:00] TwinnerD : this is not the case right now
[2016-10-30 14:44:05] sleger : it's free to stay between 0 and 10 yes
[2016-10-30 14:44:05] habibi : kryptopojken: price will follow spot and will be traded within close ranges
[2016-10-30 14:44:11] habibi : to spot*
[2016-10-30 14:44:17] cess : hi
[2016-10-30 14:44:19] kryptopojken : isnt that up to the traders?
[2016-10-30 14:44:24] kryptopojken : or will MM take care of that
[2016-10-30 14:44:28] rapidtrades : no cos it's cash-settled