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[2016-10-30 03:58:57] arbitrage001 : profited and never look back?
[2016-10-30 03:59:06] wurstgelee : left charts when zcash was >0 btc. literally returned 30 secs ago
[2016-10-30 03:59:13] wurstgelee : no position
[2016-10-30 03:59:29] wurstgelee : i went flat on friday after pump to 10 here
[2016-10-30 03:59:41] wurstgelee : after i got ADL'ed q 9.something
[2016-10-30 03:59:45] wurstgelee : @
[2016-10-30 04:00:42] wurstgelee : screw that
[2016-10-30 04:01:15] arbitrage001 : what is the total supply end of dec?
[2016-10-30 04:01:18] wurstgelee : i am maybe longing if order gets filled
[2016-10-30 04:01:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 04:01:26] wurstgelee : 300k iirc?
[2016-10-30 04:01:42] arbitrage001 : looks like a good bet @0.3 then
[2016-10-30 04:01:49] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-30 04:02:15] wurstgelee : hence longing ;)
[2016-10-30 04:02:47] arbitrage001 : if only 300k supply
[2016-10-30 04:02:55] arbitrage001 : could hit 100 btc
[2016-10-30 04:02:57] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-10-30 04:03:06] arbitrage001 : per zcash
[2016-10-30 04:03:33] wurstgelee : prob not 100
[2016-10-30 04:03:39] aethlios : in a week 0.10 zec here
[2016-10-30 04:03:47] wurstgelee : but 10 would put it @ 3m btc market cap
[2016-10-30 04:04:00] arbitrage001 : aethlios: i think you will get wiped out in a month or two
[2016-10-30 04:04:11] arbitrage001 : surprise you are still here
[2016-10-30 04:04:25] aethlios : that's why i cant sleep the night
[2016-10-30 04:04:35] thomaskikansha : 10 is possible though
[2016-10-30 04:04:37] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: he would have been wiped out on launch day. trollbox saved him ;)
[2016-10-30 04:04:48] wurstgelee : ay for trollbox
[2016-10-30 04:04:51] wurstgelee : *yay
[2016-10-30 04:17:20] aethlios : polo bid book xmr the same with eth
[2016-10-30 04:22:05] chromaticcr1 : thomaskikansha: for ** *just* ** 240BTC, you can pump spot to 10BTC for a few secs
[2016-10-30 04:23:39] arbitrage001 : chromaticcr1: sleger alone can pump it to 10 btc then
[2016-10-30 04:24:11] arbitrage001 : and he isnt even the biggest whale out there
[2016-10-30 04:24:44] aethlios : 1.87 zec spot
[2016-10-30 04:25:17] chromaticcr1 : aethlios: doesnt take a day perhaps
[2016-10-30 04:25:32] arbitrage001 : momentary spot change doesn't mean much
[2016-10-30 04:25:39] arbitrage001 : in a grand scheme of things
[2016-10-30 04:25:55] aethlios : already some polo chat members complaining why price crashing
[2016-10-30 04:26:05] billz : arbitrage001: it could liquidate some shorters and force ADL
[2016-10-30 04:26:12] imabeast : lol zec is still overpriced by a shit ton
[2016-10-30 04:26:29] chromaticcr1 : imabeast: short it
[2016-10-30 04:26:39] imabeast : i already did lol
[2016-10-30 04:26:47] chromaticcr1 : **MOAR**
[2016-10-30 04:26:48] arbitrage001 : weak hand will always get shake out first
[2016-10-30 04:26:54] arbitrage001 : long or short
[2016-10-30 04:28:47] aethlios : zecz16 should be 0.05 now, based on btc expected bull run also
[2016-10-30 04:29:10] chromaticcr1 : aethlios: SHORT IT
[2016-10-30 04:29:17] chromaticcr1 : **MOAR**
[2016-10-30 04:29:28] chromaticcr1 : TO DA CORE
[2016-10-30 04:30:24] aethlios : i like eth short now, target 0.0065???
[2016-10-30 04:30:36] laisee : polo : 1.76 & dropping.
[2016-10-30 04:31:00] imabeast : zec will be less than 1 btc in 10 hrs
[2016-10-30 04:31:09] aethlios : after the cap announc. price here was 2 to 3 btc, most easy short in history
[2016-10-30 04:31:38] laisee : 1 way ticket to the -moon
[2016-10-30 04:31:54] aethlios : i buy 10*0.05, see you there.
[2016-10-30 04:32:04] chromaticcr1 : to UrAnus
[2016-10-30 04:32:14] noah sark : if you get deleveraged but you have a positive unrealised PNL on the position, does it close the position at the market price and you get the profit?
[2016-10-30 04:33:01] laisee : noah sark: yup
[2016-10-30 04:33:12] noah sark : thanks
[2016-10-30 04:33:12] chromaticcr1 : close at the best price that people got adl'd could offer, and you would be getting maker rebate
[2016-10-30 04:33:19] imabeast : with miners finally able to get their payouts it will drop
[2016-10-30 04:33:28] noah sark : cheers guys
[2016-10-30 04:33:49] aethlios : supply will hammer delusional bulls.
[2016-10-30 04:36:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 20 @ 705.57
[2016-10-30 04:41:06] aethlios : 1.58.....
[2016-10-30 04:41:08] laisee : polo 1.63, BFX lagging @ 2.00 - race to the bottom ;-)
[2016-10-30 04:41:47] aethlios : 3 usd a normal price for zcash
[2016-10-30 04:42:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 50 @ 706.85
[2016-10-30 04:42:45] lockhedge : there is no volume at bitfinex ZECBTC 1.56 ZECUSD 0.41
[2016-10-30 04:42:52] lockhedge : 24 volumes
[2016-10-30 04:43:49] DOGG : YES
[2016-10-30 04:44:03] lockhedge : vs. 442 ZEC 24h at poloniex vs. 614 here
[2016-10-30 04:44:13] DOGG : O
[2016-10-30 05:05:21] billz : Buy orders on polo for zec rising now
[2016-10-30 05:05:51] imabeast : if u say so lol
[2016-10-30 05:08:35] billz : get carressed
[2016-10-30 05:10:23] Coach_Z : we need 50% limits back on ZEC
[2016-10-30 05:10:46] Coach_Z : otherwise shorts can get squeezed too easy
[2016-10-30 05:10:54] billz : we need no limits
[2016-10-30 05:11:02] Coach_Z : 50% limit every 8 hours
[2016-10-30 05:11:03] Coach_Z : no caps
[2016-10-30 05:12:12] billz : Coach_Z: wouldn't be fair to people who longed
[2016-10-30 05:12:22] billz : esp. those that longed yesterday
[2016-10-30 05:12:33] Coach_Z : i don't know what longs are hoping for
[2016-10-30 05:12:34] Coach_Z : but ok
[2016-10-30 05:12:40] billz : don't short if you don't have the balls
[2016-10-30 05:12:52] billz : Coach_Z: why are you worried then?
[2016-10-30 05:12:56] Coach_Z : i'm short with liq price over 10
[2016-10-30 05:13:14] billz : I will reiterate, why are you worried? wtf
[2016-10-30 05:16:57] billz : everyone long is hoping shorters get squeezed hard to hell
[2016-10-30 05:20:19] Coach_Z : yeah, i just want to close this out, but i still think 0.3 is high
[2016-10-30 05:20:31] Coach_Z : expecting 0.1
[2016-10-30 05:21:30] Coach_Z : if 50% were in place, I'd take out 10 short contracts
[2016-10-30 05:22:28] imabeast : .3 still is high lol
[2016-10-30 05:22:43] imabeast : if u have enough liquidity u should be fine
[2016-10-30 05:22:53] imabeast : this will drop to less than one soon
[2016-10-30 05:24:49] vijay : I thought ZEC can hold above BTC price... But i am wrong
[2016-10-30 05:24:55] aethlios : yes bring limits back to increase volumes, 50% will be a big 8 hour change when supply increases
[2016-10-30 05:32:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 185 @ 0.007017
[2016-10-30 05:41:30] aethlios : could have a 100% up limit and -50% down limit every 8 hours.
[2016-10-30 06:05:09] billz : nah zcash is making another push to 10btc
[2016-10-30 06:07:03] billz : 1btc*
[2016-10-30 06:15:22] jjj : （
[2016-10-30 06:46:45] numero : tried to sleep with zecz16 open, no dice
[2016-10-30 06:50:52] aethlios : numero: short open?
[2016-10-30 06:51:20] numero : aethlios: yeah
[2016-10-30 06:56:58] numero : now i can sleep
[2016-10-30 06:57:16] numero : probably owrth it
[2016-10-30 07:13:36] aethlios : i closed my shorts (10) for zcash, just because bitmex maybe soon start marking to index and the price jump to 0.7-1.00 and i can short again.
[2016-10-30 07:14:44] rapidtrades : nice work bailout boy
[2016-10-30 07:15:11] rapidtrades : tell arther to get u a job at goldman sachs after this whole space is shut down by regulations
[2016-10-30 07:17:53] wignodeer : whats the views on zec now?
[2016-10-30 07:20:50] chromaticcr1 : all time low ;)
[2016-10-30 07:21:55] rapidtrades : this whole crypto joke will go to 0 soon
[2016-10-30 07:22:06] rapidtrades : there#s 0 oversight, no regulation and tons of bad actors
[2016-10-30 07:22:13] chromaticcr1 : -1
[2016-10-30 07:22:20] rapidtrades : cash out while u can and keep cold hard cash
[2016-10-30 07:22:35] chromaticcr1 : remove the fuc#ing cap of 0
[2016-10-30 07:22:40] chromaticcr1 : this is not fair
[2016-10-30 07:25:56] aethlios : i guess below 1 spot, bitmex will start quoting to the spot
[2016-10-30 07:26:37] chromaticcr1 : with a basis
[2016-10-30 07:27:17] aethlios : σο ςε ψαν ηαππιλυ ρεμοωε τηε 10 ψαπ
[2016-10-30 07:27:33] aethlios : so we can happily remove the 10 cap
[2016-10-30 07:27:50] rapidtrades : doesn't mater now, damage has been done
[2016-10-30 07:28:15] lockhedge : aethlios: it's still only 495 ZEC 24h volume. at least 1000 ZEC have to be traded, and BitMEX will announce 24h in advance. so at least 2 days
[2016-10-30 07:28:20] rapidtrades : this is the shadiest shit done by an exchange, ever
[2016-10-30 07:28:34] rapidtrades : at least others had the decency to stage a theft
[2016-10-30 07:28:47] rapidtrades : guess arthur doesn't care cos 'we're all children'
[2016-10-30 07:29:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1750 @ 702.75
[2016-10-30 07:29:48] rapidtrades : good luck discovering any hard-coded limits....make sure u 'rely on them' so bitmex can honor the cap
[2016-10-30 07:30:13] rapidtrades : being buddy-buddy with the partners doesn't hurt either
[2016-10-30 07:33:34] rx84 : what / where is the leaderboard?
[2016-10-30 07:37:03] bitbit : monero good to buy?
[2016-10-30 07:37:08] bitbit : or wait..
[2016-10-30 07:37:46] rapidtrades : personally i wouldn't touch anything but btcusd on this exchange
[2016-10-30 07:38:27] miramm1115 : rx84: https://www.bitmex.com/app/leaderboard
[2016-10-30 07:40:24] rx84 : thx
[2016-10-30 07:58:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.01452
[2016-10-30 08:10:55] michiel_kaas : When do you guys think zcash will be stable?
[2016-10-30 08:11:19] michiel_kaas : and not falling non stop
[2016-10-30 08:12:30] miramm1115 : when altcoin pumpers buy enough to make pumping worth it
[2016-10-30 08:13:01] miramm1115 : still long way to fall
[2016-10-30 08:14:06] chromaticcr1 : current inflation rate: 29192%/year, would take an idiot to do the pump
[2016-10-30 08:14:53] michiel_kaas : hmm
[2016-10-30 08:16:43] chromaticcr1 : FYI, bitcoin is around 4% now
[2016-10-30 08:17:02] michiel_kaas : yup
[2016-10-30 08:17:23] bitbit : is there anyone short on btc still?
[2016-10-30 08:17:28] bitbit : or all long now?
[2016-10-30 08:17:42] bitbit : I am long currently
[2016-10-30 08:34:23] laisee : Bit: shorts == lomgs here at bitmex ??
[2016-10-30 08:36:51] Smartass : aethlios: that how i lost 5.5 btc - Fututres are never easy. 2-3 bad Ticks and you are gone. I had leverage 1...
[2016-10-30 08:49:54] bitbit : when will bitmex start recording zcash price following the zecxbt index?
[2016-10-30 08:50:05] bitbit : price will go up I imagine following that
[2016-10-30 08:50:38] aethlios : Smartass: yes, i opened my short with adequate margin to have liq. price above the cap of 10, or else you can margin called by manipulation or shortterm market volatility. It is bad to be right and not get paid.
[2016-10-30 08:52:44] Smartass : aethlios: you are talking what i feel my liquidation price was 4,84 the price went in a very strange move (1:06 Friday night) to 4,94 i guess it was 41 seconds late it was all normal again...
[2016-10-30 08:54:24] Smartass : i saw all this coming: 2 days ago i wrote here: "I have a hard time seeing the price above 1btc in 5 days" because everyone was talking about whether price will be 3 or 5 btc on dec 30...
[2016-10-30 08:54:39] Smartass : but that didn't help me....
[2016-10-30 08:57:08] aethlios : Smartass: you tried to explain the market based that all think rational, but irrational traders created the profit opportunity of shorting above 1 or even above 0.3, so it is important to estimate the expected irrational level of the others in order to place the trade the right time.
[2016-10-30 08:58:16] lockhedge : “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.”
[2016-10-30 08:59:48] aethlios : for example Michael Burry shorted the housing market early and was paying a lot of interest to his swaps, and could go default if the bubble kept going 2 more years.
[2016-10-30 09:01:58] aethlios : anyway short is 20 times more difficult than long, need to be multiyear experienced trader, that's why stock brokers always place customers to the long site. Try to offer a retail customer a short idea and will tell you crazy.
[2016-10-30 09:04:42] aethlios : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1vNROeKKaU
[2016-10-30 09:09:43] michiel_kaas : Does anybody here know a good zcash mining profit calculator
[2016-10-30 09:12:29] lockhedge : michiel_kaas: too many variables e.g. price are unknown
[2016-10-30 09:12:56] michiel_kaas : Yeah but with the stats right now
[2016-10-30 09:13:01] Smartass : lockhedge: so true man, so true
[2016-10-30 09:13:33] Smartass : aethlios: yeah to short is really difficult in crypto.
[2016-10-30 09:14:35] Smartass : aethlios: Can you tell me something how did you manage to get liquidation price of 10 at levels of 2? Set leverabe to one and paid in 9btc per contract?
[2016-10-30 09:15:01] Smartass : or is there another trick
[2016-10-30 09:16:31] aethlios : Smartass: check 1x on the leverage and then look to open position tab and column margin, it has a B blue check that and can add margin which increases liq. price
[2016-10-30 09:20:31] michiel_kaas : When are you guys gonna buy zcash?
[2016-10-30 09:21:14] Smartass : aethlios: good to know
[2016-10-30 09:21:23] lockhedge : seems that most of the mining is currently done by the zcash company. more than 260 ZEC (40% of total supply) in these two wallets https://explorer.zcha.in/accounts/t1SaATQbzURpG1qU3vz9Wfn3pwXoTqFtTq2 https://explorer.zcha.in/accounts/t3Vz22vK5z2LcKEdg16Yv4FFneEL1zg9ojd
[2016-10-30 09:21:38] Smartass : michiel_kaas: haha that i would not do for a loooong time
[2016-10-30 09:22:00] Smartass : lockhedge: explains why there is so limited supply on poloni....
[2016-10-30 09:22:23] michiel_kaas : Zcash looks like one big scam
[2016-10-30 09:22:35] lockhedge : these coins probably don't hit the market, they already have been sold via the ZCash Mining Backed Security
[2016-10-30 09:24:23] michiel_kaas : Btw zcash stopped going down
[2016-10-30 09:28:53] mjmj83 : michiel_kaas: Damned Michiel, are you Dutch?
[2016-10-30 09:29:04] michiel_kaas : zekers
[2016-10-30 09:29:22] michiel_kaas : There are really much people Dutch here
[2016-10-30 09:29:34] mjmj83 : Can be.
[2016-10-30 09:30:14] michiel_kaas : Did you get much money of trading?
[2016-10-30 09:30:22] michiel_kaas : succesfull?
[2016-10-30 09:30:40] mjmj83 : I didn't make anything on Zcash, nor did I lose anything..
[2016-10-30 09:30:56] michiel_kaas : no on all the coins
[2016-10-30 09:31:00] michiel_kaas : bitcoin etc
[2016-10-30 09:31:12] mjmj83 : yes, made some
[2016-10-30 09:31:19] mjmj83 : already trading for 2,5 years now
[2016-10-30 09:31:24] michiel_kaas : okay
[2016-10-30 09:31:27] mjmj83 : started with 10k$
[2016-10-30 09:31:38] michiel_kaas : 0,0
[2016-10-30 09:32:21] michiel_kaas : What is the best tip in trading?
[2016-10-30 09:32:42] mjmj83 : Don't take risks you cannot afford.
[2016-10-30 09:32:56] michiel_kaas : hmm alright
[2016-10-30 09:33:01] mjmj83 : #1 tip, right?
[2016-10-30 09:33:19] mjmj83 : And I have been in arbitrage.. not daytrading like most here
[2016-10-30 09:33:23] michiel_kaas : think so
[2016-10-30 09:34:16] mjmj83 : But bitmex is difficult to do arbitrage. They can change your position anytime.
[2016-10-30 09:34:37] michiel_kaas : yup
[2016-10-30 09:35:21] mjmj83 : And it's the wild west here. Yesterday's Zcash... i could not believe people paying more than 1 btc/ZEC at Polo.. it was total madness.
[2016-10-30 09:35:47] michiel_kaas : I was there
[2016-10-30 09:35:51] michiel_kaas : It was first 5k
[2016-10-30 09:35:51] mjmj83 : To buy?
[2016-10-30 09:35:53] michiel_kaas : -,-
[2016-10-30 09:35:55] rapidtrades : they're still paying more then 1 btc
[2016-10-30 09:35:59] michiel_kaas : Nope just to look
[2016-10-30 09:36:02] mjmj83 : Yep, but not for long Rapid
[2016-10-30 09:36:14] rapidtrades : stick to arbs
[2016-10-30 09:36:15] mjmj83 : Price will go below 1 btc within 24 hours I expect
[2016-10-30 09:36:25] mjmj83 : And then drops further
[2016-10-30 09:36:38] michiel_kaas : im 99,9% sure about that
[2016-10-30 09:36:45] michiel_kaas : if the price is not manipulated
[2016-10-30 09:36:45] mjmj83 : About what?
[2016-10-30 09:36:57] michiel_kaas : That the price will drop below 1
[2016-10-30 09:38:16] mjmj83 : Yes. Some here think the price of the future should have gone to 50btc/zec here as well.
[2016-10-30 09:38:31] laisee : i'm holding my mined zcash coins for next pump
[2016-10-30 09:38:35] rapidtrades : f*ck u @mjmj83
[2016-10-30 09:38:43] mjmj83 : But this is future trading, not spot.
[2016-10-30 09:38:46] rapidtrades : insider pos
[2016-10-30 09:38:48] mjmj83 : Love u to Rapid
[2016-10-30 09:39:23] laisee : seems to be a little friction about today ...
[2016-10-30 09:39:39] mjmj83 : I love to see ZEC going up again.. i will short the hell out if it . :)
[2016-10-30 09:40:27] PatioCrasher : bitmex can you cap BTC at $1000 so we can hedge our cold storage like bosses? Thanks. :D
[2016-10-30 09:42:51] PatioCrasher : Total supply of BTC is gonna be 21mil so it will never reach that surely!
[2016-10-30 09:44:36] laisee : never again!
[2016-10-30 09:45:30] PatioCrasher : And if it does they can just say "Oh but everyoe knows it will be under $1000 soon.. we didnt ever think it woud be over $1000 ever.. "
[2016-10-30 09:45:36] PatioCrasher : dont worry about the longs. Fuck em.
[2016-10-30 09:46:50] PatioCrasher : has anyone tried to put a sell in over $1000 on XBT here? lol
[2016-10-30 09:48:28] PatioCrasher : oh lol.. cap is $1mil per btc here I think
[2016-10-30 09:49:00] PatioCrasher : guess btc wont be over that anytime soons
[2016-10-30 09:54:02] lockhedge : max price for XBTUSD is 1000000
[2016-10-30 09:55:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 4 @ 0.374995
[2016-10-30 09:55:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.395437
[2016-10-30 09:55:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 3 @ 0.395713
[2016-10-30 09:55:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 6 @ 0.397945
[2016-10-30 09:55:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 2 @ 0.437500
[2016-10-30 09:55:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 6 @ 0.375002
[2016-10-30 09:55:50] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.486500
[2016-10-30 09:55:50] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 5 @ 0.542424
[2016-10-30 09:55:54] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.621250
[2016-10-30 09:55:54] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.644125
[2016-10-30 09:55:54] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 10 @ 0.605916
[2016-10-30 09:55:54] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 4 @ 0.564375
[2016-10-30 09:56:22] laisee : damn, that was quick
[2016-10-30 09:57:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 2 @ 0.676414
[2016-10-30 09:57:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 2 @ 0.712500
[2016-10-30 09:57:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 3 @ 0.804351
[2016-10-30 09:57:21] lockhedge : spot is not moving yet
[2016-10-30 09:58:04] kryptopojken : holy crap
[2016-10-30 09:58:29] awsome : holy shit..
[2016-10-30 09:58:44] thomaskikansha : ouch
[2016-10-30 09:58:45] awsome : who fucking did this
[2016-10-30 09:58:54] awsome : why
[2016-10-30 09:59:06] laisee : bought earlier today, ADL'ed already
[2016-10-30 09:59:08] zanza : how is the casino going everyone ?
[2016-10-30 09:59:45] awsome : shit this make me crazy
[2016-10-30 09:59:58] laisee : zanza: wheel stopped on my number, then I got thrown out of casino
[2016-10-30 10:00:11] Gr33d : aha
[2016-10-30 10:00:12] zanza : ADL? lol
[2016-10-30 10:00:20] zanza : you know better than to win !
[2016-10-30 10:00:31] laisee : yeah ... couple of BTC profit and no position left ...
[2016-10-30 10:00:51] awsome : zcash... fuck
[2016-10-30 10:01:09] habibi : so many people getting rekt by single market order :D
[2016-10-30 10:01:13] laisee : zcash makes fools out of traders & vice versa
[2016-10-30 10:03:55] imabeast : yikes rekt
[2016-10-30 10:03:56] awsome : shit
[2016-10-30 10:04:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 57 @ 0.547140
[2016-10-30 10:04:13] miramm1115 : nice one
[2016-10-30 10:04:21] Gr33d : lol
[2016-10-30 10:06:05] Mm bot : Is Bitmex going to update zcash to mark price soon?
[2016-10-30 10:06:27] Mm bot : it has enough supply and price is getting much closer to polo
[2016-10-30 10:06:30] imabeast : wonder how much leverage they were using lo
[2016-10-30 10:07:58] lockhedge : Mm bot: not earlier than 24h after polo reached 1000 ZEC volume per day (currently 534)
[2016-10-30 10:12:26] bitbit : what's the best currency to long?
[2016-10-30 10:12:29] bitbit : here on bitmex
[2016-10-30 10:13:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.649998
[2016-10-30 10:13:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.625000
[2016-10-30 10:20:37] Mangalica : where can you see the volume traded in ZEC? simply use current price in BTC or what?
[2016-10-30 10:25:27] lockhedge : Mangalica: here or at poloniex?
[2016-10-30 10:26:10] Mangalica : on polo. My question was in relation to future marking and the requirements before it's implemented
[2016-10-30 10:26:24] michiel_kaas : Hmm zcash is going up
[2016-10-30 10:26:26] lockhedge : look above the chart "24hr Volume: 1898.70325540 BTC / 545.41742322 ZEC"
[2016-10-30 10:26:59] Mangalica : ok so we might reach that easier if zcash goes down a bit more
[2016-10-30 10:32:03] thomaskikansha : I wonder can the rate still be above 1 when the volume meets 1000ZEC
[2016-10-30 10:33:16] aethlios : http://coinjournal.net/tumblebit-part-1-bitcoin-privacy-proposal-compare-monero-zcash/
[2016-10-30 10:53:30] Smartass : @Admin: i think you have a bug with the timestamps of the tradelist you changed the time of them by 1 hour
[2016-10-30 10:56:04] EA_FTW : Smartass: are you in the UK? Clocks went back last night
[2016-10-30 10:56:35] Smartass : no ia m in germany but yes time was set back 1 hour
[2016-10-30 10:56:59] Smartass : But i am talking about the list of historical trades in your account.. That time should not change..
[2016-10-30 10:57:15] Smartass : the timestamps of your trades..
[2016-10-30 10:57:37] lockhedge : it's your local time on the UI
[2016-10-30 10:57:47] EA_FTW : Smartass: That'll be it then, times are set to your local timezone by default, and probably best not to have 2 lots of 1am
[2016-10-30 10:59:15] lockhedge : Smartass: if you use the API or download the csv you'll get UTC timestamps
[2016-10-30 10:59:26] Smartass : What? E. g. i did a trade at the 28th of october at 6:Ü1:17 now its 5:01....
[2016-10-30 11:00:20] Smartass : at 6:01:17 now it says in my PERSONAL Trade list that this trade occured at 5:01... which is wrong
[2016-10-30 11:01:17] EA_FTW : It's set all the times to the current time (UTC)
[2016-10-30 11:01:40] Smartass : which makes no sense since at that time the order could have been executed at 1.17 since limit-up was still valid...
[2016-10-30 11:05:29] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 705.23
[2016-10-30 11:05:29] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 704.91
[2016-10-30 11:05:29] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9562 @ 704.77
[2016-10-30 11:05:36] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-10-30 11:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 704.26
[2016-10-30 11:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8301 @ 702.21
[2016-10-30 11:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 702.57
[2016-10-30 11:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6500 @ 702.97
[2016-10-30 11:05:45] Smartass : so really the historical times of your tradelist change when i change my clock on my PC...
[2016-10-30 11:06:07] miramm1115 : Smartass: was your browser open when the clock was adjusted? in that case you have to restart
[2016-10-30 11:10:05] michiel_kaas : Lol look at the zcash price
[2016-10-30 11:10:22] kryptopojken : its pumping
[2016-10-30 11:10:25] kryptopojken : on polo
[2016-10-30 11:11:49] thomaskikansha : only 250BTC asks till 10
[2016-10-30 11:11:56] Smartass : miramm1115: i now logged out and in 2x but same the historical trades are all one hour to early. Can someone confirm this?
[2016-10-30 11:12:28] wurstgelee : Smartass: daylight saving? ;)
[2016-10-30 11:13:03] wurstgelee : Smartass: your clock is wrong
[2016-10-30 11:13:13] wurstgelee : <-- Smartass
[2016-10-30 11:13:25] Smartass : wurstgelee: hi says everybody that. I mean the list of your historical trades. Check them out their time is one our to early...
[2016-10-30 11:13:43] Smartass : I mean YOUR personal tradelist
[2016-10-30 11:13:44] wurstgelee : aahhhh lol ok
[2016-10-30 11:13:49] wurstgelee : same issue tho
[2016-10-30 11:14:22] Smartass : Why - does the list take the time from my computer??? For trades that are days old!!
[2016-10-30 11:15:26] Smartass : But if i change the time on my computer its not chanaging back - something is wrong here..
[2016-10-30 11:15:38] wurstgelee : @admins personal trade history doesnt account for daylight saving time ;)
[2016-10-30 11:15:56] Smartass : Is @wurstgelee: is it the same with your List?
[2016-10-30 11:15:58] wurstgelee : Smartass: your local time settings have no influence
[2016-10-30 11:16:19] Smartass : wurstgelee: yeah better not - that would crazy...
[2016-10-30 11:16:23] Smartass : ;)
[2016-10-30 11:16:24] wurstgelee : sec
[2016-10-30 11:16:28] wurstgelee : i am not sure
[2016-10-30 11:16:34] Smartass : But you can see what i mean right?
[2016-10-30 11:17:17] Smartass : I have a trade for example 28th of october Zec 1 buy at 05:01:17 for 1.17 that was not possible..
[2016-10-30 11:17:18] wurstgelee : Smartass: i cant tell 100%. no trades since friday
[2016-10-30 11:17:41] wurstgelee : new trades, just executed one, show correctly tho
[2016-10-30 11:17:47] Smartass : I mean the old trades
[2016-10-30 11:17:53] wurstgelee : i can tell if correct
[2016-10-30 11:17:57] wurstgelee : *cant
[2016-10-30 11:18:05] Smartass : as i wrote it changed the times of the old trades
[2016-10-30 11:18:25] Smartass : on zec there were limits
[2016-10-30 11:18:32] Smartass : and you were long right?
[2016-10-30 11:18:40] wurstgelee : oh, sec
[2016-10-30 11:19:08] Smartass : so before 22:00 and 6:00 you could not have certain prices
[2016-10-30 11:19:58] Smartass : so maybe you bought at 28th at 6:00 (which i did) those trade have now a timestamp of 5:xx - at least it shows me...
[2016-10-30 11:21:33] michiel_kaas : Btw what is smart to trade right now
[2016-10-30 11:21:41] michiel_kaas : I'm new
[2016-10-30 11:22:13] wurstgelee : Smartass: i really cant tell right now tbh, my head hurts
[2016-10-30 11:22:41] Smartass : wurstgelee: drinking to much last night huh ;)
[2016-10-30 11:22:57] wurstgelee : i wouldnt say too much....
[2016-10-30 11:22:59] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-30 11:23:21] wurstgelee : wine fair follow by drinks followed by drinks followed by drinks....
[2016-10-30 11:23:22] wurstgelee : etc
[2016-10-30 11:23:57] Smartass : haha. Its always the last one right
[2016-10-30 11:28:17] Smartass : but its quite easy to check if you traded at the limit up times like 27th 22:00 and 28th 6:00 and 28th 14:00 they are all to early now. It looks like daylight savings time was applied to that tradelist..
[2016-10-30 11:30:00] BitMEX_Wally : All times are stored and sent as UTC and then they are rendered into your local time in the browser
[2016-10-30 11:30:58] Smartass : o.k. thats a bit unfortunate for historical tradelists. If i download it it has correct utc timestamps?
[2016-10-30 11:31:10] BitMEX_Wally : As the clocks went back in UK and Western Europe you will see ambigious time stamps between 01:00 and 02:00
[2016-10-30 11:31:37] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: that is a little annoying tho
[2016-10-30 11:31:50] BitMEX_Wally : Historical trade lists are correct, they show the local time at the time of the trade
[2016-10-30 11:32:01] wurstgelee : oh, nvm then
[2016-10-30 11:32:23] BitMEX_Wally : So a trade at 9pm local time yesterday is still shown as 9pm
[2016-10-30 11:32:48] null : why doesnt everyone just use UTC?
[2016-10-30 11:32:51] BitMEX_Wally : If you use the API then all timestamps are in unambiguous UTC
[2016-10-30 11:33:04] null : perfect
[2016-10-30 11:33:29] wurstgelee : i live in utc world @ crypto
[2016-10-30 11:33:34] wurstgelee : used to it =)
[2016-10-30 11:37:40] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: so if i get you right historical trade lists don't have this problem...
[2016-10-30 11:38:14] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: its just my PERSONAL tradelist which now shows in csv download 2 colums with 2 different timestamps
[2016-10-30 11:38:48] kryptopojken : BitMEX_Wally: are FCT and LSK going to be delisted next friday?
[2016-10-30 11:38:55] Smartass : and on site a timestamp which is one 1h to early
[2016-10-30 11:41:28] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: yesterday i went btc long at 702,80, had my stop market at 703, when the price went sub 700, suddenly i saw that i lost actually 1.8 btc, how is that possible, i had my stop even above my entry price
[2016-10-30 11:42:11] BitMEX_Wally : Your stop may not have been able to trigger or execute before you got liquidated?
[2016-10-30 11:43:33] Gemz : my liquidation price was at 642 so
[2016-10-30 11:43:35] BitMEX_Wally : Smartass: transactTime is when the trade occurred, timestamp is when it was published in the system. Are these the 2 columns?
[2016-10-30 11:44:14] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: hm i changed the time on my computer to test, but when i log in its still show 5:01are you shuere that it sends utc to browser then changes...
[2016-10-30 11:44:15] BitMEX_Wally : Gemz: A stop market order when triggered becomes a market sell, so you get whatever price is in the order book.
[2016-10-30 11:44:45] chromaticcr1 : and you have a choice to choose a reliable trigger price source ;)
[2016-10-30 11:45:33] BitMEX_Wally : Smartass: your system clock is irrelevant. You need to change your timezone
[2016-10-30 11:45:55] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: then i should use stop limit instead of stop market so it doesnt sell at market with bad price
[2016-10-30 11:46:30] BitMEX_Wally : Gemz: Yes, but then your sell limit order might sit there and never get filled
[2016-10-30 11:49:02] Gemz : BitMEX_Wally: i think i should have used trailing stop instead
[2016-10-30 11:49:57] Gemz : either way i fckd up something
[2016-10-30 11:50:36] BitMEX_Wally : Either way, if your stop trigger is 703 and price goes sub 700 then the stop sell will trigger and you cannot expect it to sell at a better price than 700
[2016-10-30 11:50:48] BitMEX_Wally : this is called gap risk, or slippage
[2016-10-30 11:51:32] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: OK i see its the setting of the timezone. If data from API is UTC then its o.k....
[2016-10-30 11:51:46] Smartass : BitMEX_Wally: thanks for your input....
[2016-10-30 11:52:07] arxlan : hello guys
[2016-10-30 11:52:13] arxlan : i am new o this
[2016-10-30 11:53:19] NL007 : where can i change my Maintenance Margin
[2016-10-30 11:54:23] Smartass : Gemz: you probabyl traded on a plattform with guranted Stops. This is different here its more like in reality: Price triggers stop which creates order which will be filled according to situation in Orderbook...
[2016-10-30 11:55:31] rapidtrades : look at all that ZEC buying....some lil birdie got the word from bitmex
[2016-10-30 11:57:19] rapidtrades : i thought about adding at 0.3 but u can't trust these ppl anymore
[2016-10-30 11:57:24] Gemz : Smartass: i need to know one thing, lets say i bought at 702, price goes up and i want to adjust my stop to 705 to have a smaal profit even when the price goes down, which stop order should i use, stop market, stop limit or trailing stop, when i traded s&p i just dragged my stop higher and when the price went more up i dragged it again higher which is trailing stop, not sure if its different here
[2016-10-30 11:57:29] BitMEX_Wally : NL007: you can adjust leverage using the leverage selector on the sidebar
[2016-10-30 11:57:39] rapidtrades : would they add limits after they mark to polo? put a cap at 1? who knows
[2016-10-30 11:57:51] NL007 : BitMEX_Wally: thnx i found
[2016-10-30 11:57:57] rapidtrades : they made a futures with a license to steal
[2016-10-30 11:58:32] Tetsuo : buy before i´t too late!
[2016-10-30 11:58:34] arbitrage001 : i got deleverage
[2016-10-30 11:58:40] arbitrage001 : all my position got clean out
[2016-10-30 11:58:53] arbitrage001 : thought it will be done partially
[2016-10-30 11:59:00] chromaticcr1 : arbitrage001: time to get it back it guess
[2016-10-30 11:59:04] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-10-30 11:59:10] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: on?
[2016-10-30 11:59:10] arbitrage001 : buying back
[2016-10-30 11:59:15] chromaticcr1 : arbitrage001: that would be the case if you are last in queue
[2016-10-30 11:59:16] arbitrage001 : zcash
[2016-10-30 11:59:23] rapidtrades : ofc....that was the plan
[2016-10-30 11:59:29] arbitrage001 : had long 29 contracts
[2016-10-30 11:59:37] rapidtrades : margin the longs, ADL the ones that didn't use leverage
[2016-10-30 11:59:37] arbitrage001 : went out to jogging
[2016-10-30 11:59:47] arbitrage001 : come back and found out i have 0 left
[2016-10-30 11:59:53] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: at a profit or loss?
[2016-10-30 11:59:59] arbitrage001 : small profit
[2016-10-30 12:00:05] arbitrage001 : bought at 0.3
[2016-10-30 12:00:11] arbitrage001 : develerage at .69
[2016-10-30 12:00:17] rapidtrades : ok well at least they're honoring that part of their terms
[2016-10-30 12:00:24] chromaticcr1 : Not bad bro
[2016-10-30 12:00:37] rapidtrades : honestly i wouldn't get back in, they could do anything in there
[2016-10-30 12:00:39] aethlios : why small profit?? 0.3 to 0.69
[2016-10-30 12:00:40] arbitrage001 : i mean 0.65
[2016-10-30 12:00:49] rapidtrades : im just sitting on what i have
[2016-10-30 12:00:55] arbitrage001 : was hoping to sell at 10btc
[2016-10-30 12:00:59] arbitrage001 : per zcash
[2016-10-30 12:01:02] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-10-30 12:01:14] aethlios : hope dies last
[2016-10-30 12:01:23] arbitrage001 : well,i am buying back in
[2016-10-30 12:01:34] rapidtrades : gl...hope u can read bitmex minds
[2016-10-30 12:01:35] arbitrage001 : see the 0.55, 0.54 bid?
[2016-10-30 12:02:48] arbitrage001 : o man
[2016-10-30 12:02:50] arbitrage001 : should shut up
[2016-10-30 12:02:58] Gemz : i opened a btc position with order value of 0.0142 and my realised pnl shows immidiatly -1.88 xbt, so i lost so much already? wtf
[2016-10-30 12:03:04] arbitrage001 : one of you put 20 contracts right in front of me
[2016-10-30 12:03:04] rapidtrades : all i see is scam....we were at 90% discount few hrs ago now we're almost at 50%
[2016-10-30 12:03:36] rapidtrades : and some idiot said to me in chat this morning 'bro its a fuuuuuture u don't understand'
[2016-10-30 12:04:05] aethlios : rapidtrades: so we were right on the discount.
[2016-10-30 12:04:10] wurstgelee : so discount gets smaller as zcash seems to stabilize above 1 atm...
[2016-10-30 12:04:14] wurstgelee : whats the problem?
[2016-10-30 12:04:22] rapidtrades : srsly ppl will use anything to rationalize they positions
[2016-10-30 12:04:28] wurstgelee : i have none
[2016-10-30 12:04:29] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: so tempted to buy all the contract up to 0.8
[2016-10-30 12:04:29] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-30 12:04:44] wurstgelee : i was tempted to drunk buy earlier when it was at .3xxxx :/
[2016-10-30 12:04:46] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: no discount got smaller as a bird got the word from bitmex
[2016-10-30 12:04:47] arbitrage001 : want to coordinate a short squeeze?
[2016-10-30 12:04:54] aethlios : arbitrage001: most are mine, try to re-short, please buy
[2016-10-30 12:04:57] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: and which word would that be?
[2016-10-30 12:04:57] rapidtrades : yday we traded at 0.3 while polo was at 3
[2016-10-30 12:04:59] Smartass : Gemz: what you need to understadn first is: a stop has trigger thats the price you set when that is reched it triggers either a market order or a limit order. BUT: those orders can only be executed if someone is willing to buy (closing long) for that price. The orderbook here is much less liquid than the most liquid market on earth SP500. So the prices you will get will be much different than the price you set if its a market order
[2016-10-30 12:05:10] rapidtrades : now we're at 0.6 while polo is at 1.2
[2016-10-30 12:05:16] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-30 12:05:22] rapidtrades : so tell me how anything u said makes sense sausage
[2016-10-30 12:05:30] Smartass : @rapidtrades: so
[2016-10-30 12:05:31] wurstgelee : and guess what, premium will get smaller...from here
[2016-10-30 12:05:45] rapidtrades : cos its a bitmex scam
[2016-10-30 12:05:47] wurstgelee : or discount
[2016-10-30 12:05:51] wurstgelee : lol no
[2016-10-30 12:05:56] rapidtrades : not cos it's 'forecasting the future'
[2016-10-30 12:05:57] arbitrage001 : discount on zcash is too large here
[2016-10-30 12:06:03] arbitrage001 : wonder who is the brave soul
[2016-10-30 12:06:09] Smartass : rapidtrades: its called backwardation its nothing special
[2016-10-30 12:06:24] rapidtrades : this is why scammers keep scamming
[2016-10-30 12:06:27] rapidtrades : cos ur all idiots
[2016-10-30 12:06:31] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-30 12:06:40] wurstgelee : yep.
[2016-10-30 12:06:40] Smartass : there is no law that future prices have to be higher than spot...
[2016-10-30 12:06:41] arbitrage001 : Smartass: backwardation is ok
[2016-10-30 12:06:49] arbitrage001 : Smartass: but 60% + discount ?
[2016-10-30 12:06:51] wurstgelee : if u dont want a discount, go trade spot ffs
[2016-10-30 12:06:53] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-10-30 12:06:54] habibi : rapidtrades: ffs u were crying all the time about ridiculus price at 0.5 then 1 btc then 2 and then finally u went into trade here and still crying all the time
[2016-10-30 12:07:13] rapidtrades : habibi: yeah so? i follow the market
[2016-10-30 12:07:25] wurstgelee : no, you are crying while following the market
[2016-10-30 12:07:25] rapidtrades : the actual market..but this fakeass insider shit here
[2016-10-30 12:07:47] Smartass : wurstgelee: +1
[2016-10-30 12:07:47] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: go trade spot. problem solved
[2016-10-30 12:07:53] habibi : rapidtrades: i can assure u there is no insider shit, just a lot of possibilites to rekt shorters here in past that were done
[2016-10-30 12:07:56] Gemz : Smartass: ok to put a stop order, which one is best to use, apparently stop market isnt a good one cus it good me out at a different price
[2016-10-30 12:08:23] wurstgelee : Gemz: thre only guaranteed stop is a margin call ;)
[2016-10-30 12:08:26] wurstgelee : *the
[2016-10-30 12:08:30] rapidtrades : a stop limit will guarantee ur price but not ur exit @Gemz
[2016-10-30 12:08:43] rapidtrades : so it's a double-edgeed sword
[2016-10-30 12:10:17] Gemz : zcash marketcap is only 600k, why so low?
[2016-10-30 12:11:24] Smartass : Gemz: hell No! a limit order will ONLY be executed to at least your price. But the big but is: It might not be executed at all... Imagine 1 Long price ist at 10btc 2 days ago you set limit to 9.5 But price falls immediatley to 9.4 so order can not be executed and price keeps falling like a rock to 2btc you look and you are still in this. Why because it could not sell for 9.5
[2016-10-30 12:11:49] rapidtrades : that's exactly what I said but with less words
[2016-10-30 12:11:53] rapidtrades : idiot
[2016-10-30 12:12:11] arbitrage001 : i have rebuild my position on zxash
[2016-10-30 12:12:16] arbitrage001 : wish me luck
[2016-10-30 12:12:27] rapidtrades : ur a brave man, gl
[2016-10-30 12:12:34] arbitrage001 : yeah baby
[2016-10-30 12:12:40] arbitrage001 : thank you for the discount, whoever
[2016-10-30 12:12:44] lockhedge : rapidtrades: you went long on a derivative on hyper inflation shitcoin, because you thought ppl would be even more stupid than you and buy at an even higher price. didn't work out, learn from it.
[2016-10-30 12:12:46] Smartass : A market order would have gotten you out - but for a worse price at 9.4 the limit order is like this: I will close but ONLY if price is right... And that can really kill in volatile markets
[2016-10-30 12:12:56] rapidtrades : lockhedge: screw u
[2016-10-30 12:13:07] rapidtrades : i didn't know u were this stupid lockhedge
[2016-10-30 12:13:18] rapidtrades : wish there was a way to tag ppl like i do on reddit
[2016-10-30 12:13:23] lockhedge : rapidtrades: why did you went long on zcash above 1 btc?
[2016-10-30 12:13:32] rapidtrades : moron, idiot, imbecile and so forth
[2016-10-30 12:13:51] Gemz : Smartass: so this is damn dangerous, best would be to exit manually and cherry pick from the orderbook
[2016-10-30 12:13:59] habibi : lockhedge: i think he went long close to 10 btc price
[2016-10-30 12:14:20] rapidtrades : i went long near 3 and it's in f chat
[2016-10-30 12:14:37] habibi : why u didnt get out at 5/6 or 10?
[2016-10-30 12:14:58] habibi : less greedy next time and u ll be fine